Episode 32 - Easter

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Why the Resurrection of Jesus Still Matters | Holy Week Breakdown

In this Easter special, Jonny and Jarus walk through the key events of Holy Week - from Palm Sunday to Resurrection Sunday - unpacking the powerful meaning behind each day. Discover how Jesus’s death and resurrection fulfilled prophecy, opened the way to God, and changed history forever.

We dive into the Last Supper, the crucifixion, and the resurrection accounts across all four Gospels, showing why the empty tomb still matters today. Plus, we end with a fun take on Easter traditions like the Easter Bunny - how can Christians celebrate without losing the true meaning?

Whether you're a believer or just curious, this episode blends biblical insight with real-world relevance. Watch now and explore why Easter is more than just a holiday - it’s the heart of the Christian faith.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to the Saints that Serve, podcast where, each
week, your hosts dive into thecrossroads of faith, culture and
the unknown.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Christ is Lord and the kingdom is now.
We are the Saints that Serve,and welcome to the Saints that

(00:44):
Serve.
Podcast with your hosts I'mJohnny and I'm Jairus, and that
is the Saints that Serve.
Podcast with your hosts I'mJohnny and I'm Jairus, and that
is the Saints.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
That Serve podcast and we're so excited because
yesterday we celebrated Christ'sresurrection baby.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Today is a very lovely Monday and yesterday was
an incredibly beautiful EasterSunday.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's right.
And yesterday was an incrediblybeautiful Easter Sunday, that's
right.
And for all those who areChristians, it is kind of the
biggest deal.
Biggest deal because withoutChrist dying and rising from the
dead, we don't have anything.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Which we brought that up being the biggest deal.
Yep, in our bonus episode.
Yeah, which is less of a bonusepisode and more of a prequel.
Prequel introduction to thisepisode that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
We did a good friday bonus content episode and
obviously, if you're herelistening to this, then you'll
be able to find that one prettyeasy.
That's right.
So I would say that, withoutfurther to do Further ado, let's
do, do, do, do this.
So, tyler, this is yourtransition into a little segment

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that we felt obligated to do.
It's called let me apologize.
So I need to apologize.
I understand that your handsare your sense of touch and
sometimes there are things thatyou touch and they catch you off

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guard and it can mess with yourpsyche and it can scar you for
years.
And so, for everyone who's everaccidentally put their fingers
underneath the table and therewas a wet, sticky piece of gum
under there and you got it allover your finger and it pulled
out when you pulled your handout from underneath the table, I

(02:43):
apologize for putting the gumthere.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
That was totally immature of me All 300 little
pieces of gum.
That's under that table All ofthem?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, the wet, sticky one, all the dry ones.
I have no sympathy for you.
If you somehow got a dry pieceof gum to stick to your fingers,
where you pull it out fromunderneath the table, that is
your problem.
But if it's a wet, sticky piecethat pulls out when you pull
your hand out, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
What's crazy is because it's wet and sticky,
it's fresh, which means you justsat in a seat that the famous
Johnny just sat in.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yep, or you forgot that you stuck your gum
underneath, and if that's thecase, then I apologize for your
incompetence.
But seriously, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Hey guys, it's my turn.
This one's for real, it is.
It's for real, okay, all right.
Hey guys, it is, it's for real,okay, all right.
Hey guys, I know that you weresitting here listening to
episode 31 of the saints toserve podcast and you're really
into the episode and reallydigging the conversation about

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nintendo and just this videogames of your childhood and the
nostalgia of it.
And I know, as I was goingthrough the history of Nintendo,
we got to starting to talkabout Japanese gambling machines
and I know that we startedtalking about a very specific

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gambling machine in Japan and Iknow that I called it Plinko and
I'm sorry it's called Plachinko.
Plachinko, yeah, wow, yeah, Icalled it.
Plinko is Plachinko, which, inmy defense, sounds very similar.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Plachinko, plinko, plinkinko, plinko, plinko,
plachinko.
Yeah, I don't know.
It sounds like it's an Italianguy having a really hard time
trying to explain something toyou.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
It just sounds like your grandpa trying to tell you
something very simple.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Like just a brand and you just can't get it right.
Yeah, it's like Something likethe Plachinko, Pachinko, planko,
danko, danko, danko, danko.
Grandpa, it's a burger.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
It's called a McDouble.
Not a Pachinko Go-Go Not aPachinko, or a Pachinko or a
Planko, it's a Mc Double.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Are you in the Mc or Mac family of Donalds?
I think I say.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
McDonald's.
What's wrong with you?
I don't know, maybe becauseit's not M-A-C, it's M-C.
Well, let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Let me ask you this You've been ou MC.
Well, let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this You've beenousted.
No, let me ask you this Okay,when you get their ice cream
treat, that is a blend of icecream and Oreos, what is that?
I don't know, I don't get that.
You don't know what a McFlurryis.
A McFlurry, it's not a McFlurry.

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It's a McFlurry, it's not aMcFlurry.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's a McFlurry.
No, it's definitely a.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
McFlurry.
All right, let me ask you thistheir famous burger, is that a?
Do you order a Big Mc?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
That's true.
I don't order a Big Mc, it's aBig Mac, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Look at that, it is a Big Mac.
All right, and my last one.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Or is it?
Have we all been led astray?
Is it on the menu as a Big Mac?
Is it M-A-C?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
or is it M-C?
It's M-C pronounced Mac.
So here we go.
One last one.
This is the big one.
Okay, do you know the name ofthe mascot that they had that
was meant to appeal to adultsfor McDonald's?
He was a moon with sunglassesand he played cool jazz on a
piano.

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Wait, and he was supposed toappeal to who the adults Like?
Mcdonald's is not just a fastfood joint, it's a cool, hip
place for teens and adults to beat.
This was something like a weirdpush campaign that they had for
McDonald's in the 90s and itwas like a mascot that they had.
You know what his name was?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Let's go ahead and lay in this plane.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I don't know who it was.
What's his name?
Mac Tonight, mac Tonight, macTonight.
All right, did you want to goget some McDonald's?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
tonight, all right.
Well, let us know in thecomments, you guys.
Is it Mick or is it Mac?
I think I'm going to startcalling it a Big Mick now.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Big Mick.
Oh man, you will get punched inthe face so quick.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
No, not if I do it in the drive-thru.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You'll get your drink thrown at you.
So quick.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, I'd like to order a Big Bic.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, there you go.
I'm sure you've seen them.
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that'sMac Tonight.
Yeah, yeah, mac.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Tonight.
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah, that's so weird.
Okay, well, there you go.
That was our weird let meapologize segment that led into
McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
You said McDonald's, did I say McDonald's.
You did say McDonald's.
You just said McDonald's.
I said McDonald's, mcdonald's,mcdonald's.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
There you go.
Now you're saying it rightagain McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Alright, so yeah, in the comments let us know is it
Mick or Mac.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
What is going on here ?

Speaker 1 (08:21):
MC for Mick and MAC for Mac.
Is it Irish or is it Scottish?
There you go, there we go, butyou know who wasn't Irish or
Scottish?
Jesus Christ, our Lord andSavior Jesus.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Christ, that's right.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Hey, Tyler, this is your transition into the main
topic, which is the resurrectionof Jesus Christ.
Why did you say that EasterEaster, yes?
Why did you say that EasterEaster, yes?
Why did you say that, like youwere introducing, like a movie
Coming this October, coming totheaters near you the

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resurrection of Jesus Christ,Our Lord and Savior, Starring.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Starring Our Lord and Savior Starring.
Starring Nicholas Cage as JesusChrist oh my gosh With his
disciples Matthew, Mark, Lukeand John, Also starred by
Nicholas Cage.

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Luke is not one of Jesus'disciples and neither is Mark.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Just so we're clear.
It was just just so we're clear.
It was just going into the bit.
It was just going into the bit.
Is this going to be likeanother Nutty, professor or
Norbit situation with, you know,eddie Murphy playing all the
characters, nicholas Cageplaying all the characters?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
with your favorite, nicolas Cage, as Pontius Pilate.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I washed my hands of this.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I've written what I have written.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Anyways, and playing the wife of Pontius Pilate,
nicolas Cage, I had a dream.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I had a dream.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Have nothing to do with this man.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
You gotta do a have nothing to do with this man.
You got to do a have nothing todo with this man.
I can't actually do a NicolasCage.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Hey, I think our funny joke point got across.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
What we're saying is we would not be surprised if
Nicolas Cage did an EasterSunday movie and he did all the
parts for it.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
If I was really great at editing video, I'd throw in
some AI, just AI, nicolas Cage,all these characters.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
There you go.
Maybe one day we'll get there.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
But on the serious topic, now that the jokes are
out of the way, we got to getall the really dumb jokes out of
the way, because this is veryserious, yes, like all joking
aside.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, and you know I mean you can have fun as
Christians but this is a joyfulmoment and you need to
understand why it's joyful,correct.
So in our bonus we talked abouthow Christ died.
He was crucified and he reallydid die, and there's
documentation of that, not onlyfrom the historical biblical

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texts, but there's some Romanhistorical stuff that goes in
there as well.
Now I'm on the spot again.
But you know, the historicalbiblical text is good enough.
I mean, it's documented byeyewitnesses, so that's enough
by eyewitnesses.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
So that's enough.
What's crazy is people put morefaith into things that have
less evidence in them as well.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, like you guys didn't even know that it was
pronounced Plotchenko, right,but you believed me guys, you
believed him.
Yeah, so you know.
We talked about how there's OldTestament prophecy and it's
fulfilled, and there's no waythat Christ could have
orchestrated it the way that hedid without this story being

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true that he is God, fully God,fully man, and he fully died and
fully rose again from the graveand paid the price for our sin
and brought redemption andeternity for all who would
believe.
I referenced that there was averse in Hebrews that's talking

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about how Christ is the finalfulfillment for all sin.
He's the final, perfectsacrifice that atones all sin,
and you can read that in Hebrews, chapter 10.
I'm just going to read verse 10.
I think this is the right one.
I'll go and read 9 and 10.
Then he added behold, I havecome to do your will.
He does away with the first inorder to establish the second,

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talking about sacrificial system.
And by that will, we have beensanctified through the offering
of the body of Jesus Christ oncefor all.
Yeah, and then verse 11, andevery priest stands daily at his
service offering repeatedly thesame sacrifice, which can never

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take away sins.
But when Christ had offered forall time a single sacrifice for
sins.
He sat down at the right handof God.
So there you go.
That's verses nine through 12in Hebrews.
Chapter 10 talks about thesacrificial system is repeatedly

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going on and it's not fullyatoning because everyone has to
keep coming back and making moresacrifices, whereas Christ
brings the new.
He does away with the old andbrings the new sacrificial
system, which is one sacrificethat atones for all sin.
And when Christ completed thatwork, he sits at the right hand
of the Father and acts asintercessor for all those who

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would believe.
So there you go.
That was the reference.
I promised to get it to youguys, and here I am.
You only had to wait three daysfor it.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, you only had to wait Friday, saturday, sunday,
monday, three days, you don'tcount the day that it was on
when you promised it.
So then it'll be Saturday,sunday, so three days either way
.
Yeah, you remember, when I saidthree days, you just messed me
up because you included Friday.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Right, I said but you don't count Friday, Saturday,
Sunday, Monday.
Which of those are you notcounting?
Monday or Friday Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's three days, okay .
So, speaking of Friday, we hadour bonus episode.
While we left off on that, wetalked about Good Friday, yes,
and the importance of that, andyou know that being the day that
Christians remember thecrucifixion and death of Jesus
Christ.
Yep, you know the significanceof that and something cool is
that you know, despite itsdarkness, it is good.

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It represents God's redemptivelove in the beginning of victory
over sin and death.
That's right, yep.
Left you on a little bit of acliffhanger there, but you know
we're going to continue fromthat point.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, so we kind of talked about.
You brought up a good point oflike the week.
What did the week look likeleading up to Easter Sunday?
Do you want to go ahead and getinto that now?
Yeah, we can do that, justtalking through the week.
Yeah, so it kind oftraditionally okay.
So, depending on where you fall, it can start sooner than this

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fall, it can start sooner thanthis.
But most Protestants weacknowledge what we call Palm
Sunday, which is the Sundaybefore Easter, and that's when
Christ enters into Jerusalemriding on a donkey's colt and
people come out and they shoutHosanna and they lay out their
coats and they lay down palmbranches.
Hence the name.
Yeah, palm Sunday.

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Yeah, on the road before him ashe enters into the city.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
And him doing that.
That fulfills a prophecycorrect?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, he will come riding on a donkey's colt.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
And it was a donkey that was never ridden on before
right.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yep, yep.
And interestingly, I think it'sin the Gospel of Luke.
The first thing that happenswhen Jesus enters the city is he
weeps for the city Because heknows the destruction that's
coming to Jerusalem, whichhappens in 70 AD.
Jesus predicts the fall ofJerusalem and the fall of the

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temple, and the temple has neverbeen rebuilt since 70 ad, so it
has been destroyed for comingup on 2 000 years.
Crazy, but it's because wedon't need it anymore, right?
God doesn't rest.
His presence doesn't rest onthe ark, the holy seat on top of
the ark, in the most holy placein the temple.

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The spirit of the Lord rests inthe hearts of those who believe
.
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So you know he came in on Palm Sunday, like you said
, yep.
Then on Monday he went in thereand he threw some old money
changers from the temple.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, and I think that this happens more than once
.
Like I think Jesus drivespeople out of the temple more
than once.
I could be wrong, Don't quoteme on that.
I feel like I was reading aboutthat where some people because
there's different, like you know, the different gospels bring up
that account where Jesus drivespeople out of the temple for

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selling you know the moneychangers and for selling things,
but it's worded, it's a littledifferent in different gospels
and so some people say that it'spotentially he does that more
than once, but I'm not going tosay that's for sure.
I could be wrong on that, butyes, he does.

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And he because his famous linemy house will be called a house
of prayer.
Yes, the whole point of thetemple was not for man to go
into debt to be able to be inthe presence of God or to offer
sacrifices to God.
It was for them to be incommunion with God.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Something else he did he healed the blind and the
lame, upsetting the religiousleaders there.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, which I believe , when he does the money changer
thing.
I think that was kind of thetipping point where they're like
, okay, we need to kill this guy, yeah.
And that's when they start kindof like, okay, how do we get
him?
He heals the blind and the lame.
Is that what you said?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not like stupid or not
lame, like somebody who can'twalk.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Not like an idiot, but like someone who physically
can't move.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
What a lame loser.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yes, yeah, he performs miracles in Jerusalem,
and it's important thatJerusalem is going to be pretty
crowded because they're comingup on Passover, which happens to
fall on a high holy day, whichis on Sabbath.
So Passover is happening on aSabbath day, so does Passover

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change.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
What am I trying to say?

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Some holidays fall on different days, like Christmas,
like not Because Christmasfalls on a different day each
year.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Right, and Easter changes its day to align to the
specific Sunday.
Yeah, so is it that it changes.
It could fall on a differentday every year, or always falls
on a specific day, I believe italways falls on a you know what.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
I don't have an answer for that.
I don't know if it falls on thespecific day, because it's
supposed to fall on the daythey're doing the remembrance of
deliverance from Egypt.
So I think it does fall on aspecific date and this time,
when Jesus is crucified, happensto be when it's also a Sabbath.

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I believe that's how it works.
I don't think the Passover iscelebrated every single year.
It's celebrated on a Sunday.
I just think that when Christis crucified and rose again from
the grave, it coincides withthe Sabbath.
I think, I think.
But I think Easter.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I think they change Easter to match up with the
changing of the season, or it'ssupposed to line up with the
very specific day that Jesusrose.
What Falling on a Sunday?
Because Christmas doesn't fallon the same day, like it's a
different day every year, but weadjust it to fall on a very
specific Sunday.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
No, because sometimes we'll have Easter at the end of
March and here we are, we'regetting towards the later end of
April.
I think it has to do with whenthe official like there's a
changing of the season and soEaster falls on that time,
gotcha, I think.
So, I didn't actually look thatpart up.

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I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I'll trust you until somebody in the comments tells
me that you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Until one person tells me you're wrong.
All right, so everybody makesure in the comments you say hey
, jairus john is wrong yeah,make me wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Guys, make him wrong, I'm gonna I'm gonna look it up.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
yeah, so while you look it up, on tuesday jesus is
teaching parables, debatesreligious leaders and warns of
end times there, there, in theplace he was warning them at.
It doesn't actually say wherehe was doing it at.
He emphasizes love, humilityand readiness for his return.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
He redeems hypocrisy.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Is this all happening on one day, or are you?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
This is what my notes say.
Okay, when I did my research,this all happened on tuesday.
Because you know, wednesday iswhen it really kicks off.
Would you like to telleverybody what happened on
wednesday?
I don't know it's the day thatjudas starts to make dealings

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for betraying.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Jesus, okay Because, oh, okay.
Okay when he starts making aplan, yeah, not when he goes.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm sure he was planning it for a while, but
that's when he starts the actual.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, the way that the Bible words it is, he
decides to betray him.
After the foot wash he getsanointed with oil.
He gets anointed with oil,that's when he, that's when it's
like okay, I'm, I'm gonna, I'mgonna betray him.
Uh, because he was upset aboutjesus, like letting this lady
pour this expensive oil onanointing him with this oil.

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And he his argument was wecould have bought food for weeks
for the poor with that money.
And jesus is like you'll'llalways have the poor, but I
won't always be with you.
And in there I can't rememberwhich gospel it is, but they're
like he didn't actually, judasdidn't actually care about the
poor because he was robbing fromthe communal purse anyways.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
He was a thief.
He was probably more upset thatthis stuff he couldn't get it.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
He couldn't get it benefit from it?
Yeah, and so, because of that,he decides to betray Jesus.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Which is crazy because you're saying that in
that moment.
He's saying I won't always behere with you, telling that to
Judas, the one who betrays himand initiates the start of him
not being there with him.
So that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, it is quite insane.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
So Thursday is all.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
What's it called?
What do we call it All Thursday?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
On here it says Ma I don't know how to pronounce it
Maundy Thursday.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Maundy Thursday yeah, maundy Thursday which is weird
because it sounds like MondayThursday.
Yeah, Monday Thursday.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Which is weird because it sounds like Monday,
thursday, and that is whereJesus you know.
Last supper I was about to sayhe has a little meal with his
buddies, and not McDonald's, notMcDonald's bread and wine.
Yeah, I'm sure they ate morethan bread and wine.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well, there was a similar to the Passover meal.
Like there was a celebratorymeal and there was like
throughout the meal and all mylike hardcore remembrance of the
Passover Christians call me outon this but there's like four

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glasses of wine throughout thenight and they symbolized
different things, but then thefinal glass was like this is the
blood that we put on thedoorposts to, for this is the
point where we do ourremembrance of you know, being
passed over or whatever.
And Jesus takes that cup andsays this is my blood poured out

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for you.
So whenever you gather and dothis, do it in remembrance of me
.
So yeah, he kind of changesthat because for hundreds of
years the Jews have always beendoing.
We're celebrating theremembrance of being delivered
from slavery and bondage inEgypt by doing the Passover

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dinner and festival andeverything.
And Jesus is with his disciplessaying from this point forward,
when you do this, do it inremembrance of me, because I am
now going to be the Passoverlamb and my blood is going to be
poured out for you so that thewrath of God will pass over you

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and it will fall on me.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
So that night, you know, they have the dinner Din
din they also.
Well, not they.
Jesus washes their feet.
Yes, he does.
He does a nice little model ofservant leadership.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, and you know Jesus talks about.
You know, because the biggestthing right now in our cult well
, I don't know if I should saythe biggest thing, but one of
the biggest things in ourculture has always been feminism
, right.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
In our lives.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
And so you know, everyone argues about what does
it look like to be a Christianman or a Christian woman?
And we all go to the versewhere Paul talks about wives
submit to your husbands andhusbands love your wives.
And he says like wives submitto your husbands as the church
submits to Christ, and husbandslove your wives as Christ loves

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the church.
And here's an example ofChrist's love for his church he
lets them sit at table and hegoes around and washes their
feet for them.
Sit at table and he goes aroundand washes their feet for them.
He humbles himself.
He doesn't have to.
He doesn't have to humblehimself, but he humbles himself
to serve the ones that he lovesand also them.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
feet were dirty.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Walking around in dust all day, yeah, I mean they
didn't have cars.
I mean they had probably camelshorses to ride on, but that's
probably like a rich person'sthing to own, right, correct.
So they walked everywhere,correct.
And their feet?
They wore sandals, right, yes.
So their feet got dirty.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yep, and that's the thing is like feet washing was a
common practice.
Feet washing was a commonpractice, like you would come in
to dine for an evening meal orwhatever, and servants would
walk around and wash everybody'sfeet.
They'd come to sit to eat andlounge and eat, and here Jesus
is, no one's washed anyone'sfeet.

(27:45):
So Jesus, the main man, gets upand goes around the biggest
deal.
The biggest deal goes around andwashes all the feet of his
disciples.
So, yeah, it's showing his lovefor them and it's also a
preparation.
You know he's letting them know.
You know you're being, I'mceremonially cleansing you

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because you're about to beatoned for with my blood, right,
you know.
So it's another way to look atit as well.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
So after that dinner they take a little walk in the
park in a little garden, gardenof Gethsemane, gethsemane-tham.
Pew, pew, pew pew Racking,fracking, fricking Judas.
That is a Looney Tunesreference everybody.
For those who didn't know, boyshave been watching Looney Tunes
reference everybody.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
For those who didn't know?
Boys have been watching LooneyTunes back in action.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think it's funny.
You know what's crazy?
That's the one Looney Tunesmovie I've never seen.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Why do I have a knack for finding all these movies
that you have never seen?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I don't know.
It's like one of those weirdtransitions in my life where I
think that came out when I waslike maybe 15, 16.
Yeah, and so I was like itwasn't in my circulation, yeah,
but you know I need to watch it.
I know it's good.
It's Brendan Fraser, right.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Cool.
What are you watching it on?
We just got it on.
We bought it on Amazon Prime,gotcha Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, anyways, back to Jesus.
Yeah, they're in the garden, sothey go and pray in the garden.
Jesus tells them can you noteven stay awake for an hour?
Right, yeah, who was it waswith them?
It was Peter and James and John.
I'm just wrong.
What?
Who are you going to say?
I said Peter and somebody else,but I'm thinking peter, because

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he tells peter that he's goingto betray him.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
No, it's peter james.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh sorry, sorry, I thought it's two people no, it's
three yeah, yeah, but he tellspeter, you know earlier on that
hey you, before the roostercrows.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Three times, you will deny me three times before the
rooster crows you will deny methree times that's what I said
you said before the roostercrows three times what you'll
say no, yeah, uh, anotheranother important thing before
we get there uh, jesus sendsjudas out to go do, because

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jesus knows he's going to bebetrayed by judas, and so what
was it?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
it was.
They asked him.
He was talking about somebodywho's going to betray him.
And they said who is it?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And he says he says one of you is a devil and
they're like who is it?
And he's like the one whosticks his hand in the bowl with
me will betray me.
And Judas does it and like tome, like, if you're getting
ratted out for being a betrayer,why would you do that?
But it's like it just shows howin control God is of everything

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that's going on.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's just wild how, even when people try to divert
from the plan, change the plan.
You doing that is going tofulfill God's plan that is going
to fulfill God's plan.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, I mean.
Well, I think that it goes intoa mystical portion of God that
we just can't wrap our headsaround is God works outside of
our understanding.
So you know, I believe in freewill.
You have to make a decision tobelieve in God.
But I see man's free will doesnot determine how God operates.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I think that a better way to look at it is God is in
control.
Yes, for sure, 100%, but thereis a difference in intervening
and making changes and knowingwhat is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, so God knows, but it's hard to, and that's the
thing, that's why it's so hard.
It's like how does he know?
Because we just can't get inthere.
All we can say is that he.
That's all we can just say it.
But like, what does it looklike?
What does it look like beingoutside of a scenario and
knowing the outcome before iteven happens and using that for

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your ability to fulfill what youwant to do?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
So get a little off topic but on topic all at the
same time.
Did you ever watch the showFringe?
The guy who plays Boromir'sfather is a Fox TV show.
He was like a mad scientist.
It was kind of like X-Files,but like more of more modern
X-Files.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Oh, I never watched it.
I know what you're talkingabout, though.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, there is a group of people like kind of
like a supernatural entity,group of like like.
I think they were called likethe Black Hats or something like
that, they had some sort ofname right, but they were just
normal dudes who operatedoutside time, yeah.
And they said how did they?
Because they traveled todifferent points controlling

(32:42):
sci-fi guys.
Sci-fi, yeah, yeah.
But they explained how do theysee time, how do they conceive
time?
And somebody's like okay,imagine a pipe or a little tube
like a straw, and you just pourwater through and that's time
flowing, yeah.
And then he takes and putswater in the pipe, holds it on
both ends and then holds it upwith the water in it and it's,
the time is frozen, kind ofrepresentation.

(33:03):
They said see where you seetime flowing.
They see time on all planes andaspects you can just travel
there showing that the water wasfrozen instead of flowing, and
after that I've always picturedthat's how God sees it is.
At any point, you can choosebeginning to end and see where

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and what is going on in thattimeframe.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, and I mean I'm not trying to say like there's
no way we could ever articulateit.
Obviously we can articulate it.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Oh no, it's probably way more grand.
That's my point, is like.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
We can't comprehend it, but we could probably guess
what it could be like.
That, you know it's gotten tothe point to where it's easier.
In some scenarios it's easierto just say that there is no
free will and that God has.
I believe that the Bible saysyou have to profess that you

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believe in Christ.
It's something that you have todo.
You have to decide that.
I don't think that you get, Idon't think that you earn your
salvation that way, or that youdo some big accomplishment or
whatever.
But it is clear that you dohave to make that decision.
But regardless of what youdecide, it doesn't change or
alter God's plan, and so it'sjust really weird to put those

(34:41):
two things together.
You know it's hard to imagineit or understand it completely I
guess I would say so.
But anyways, here we are withJudas.
Like you know, did God hardenJudas's heart and make him do
what he did to fulfill, you knowwhat, christ's accomplishment?

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Because if it is, then that'swhat Pharaoh.
Because that's what God didwith Pharaoh when he was
bringing Israel out of Egypt andout of slavery.
Every time he hardenedPharaoh's heart until they got
to the final plague, and thenPharaoh finally let them go.
So you know, you do see Godgetting in and doing things like

(35:24):
that.
Did he do that with Judas?
Did he harden Judas's heart, orwas Judas just always going to
do that way?
And regardless of him beingcaught, he was like, um okay, I
gotta run and make this happenquick almost like, if I don't do
this now, I'm not gonna getaway with it.

(35:45):
Yeah and it's weird because inthe gospels it's like they all
he, it's like Jesus, like callshim out and then he gets up to
leave and all the disciples arelike, oh, he must be going to
get something.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
They're not like, oh no, Judas get back here and they
never see him again.
Well, actually they do.
They do see him again.
Anyways, yeah, Real quick onyour point with Pharaoh, right?
Yeah, they specifically callout that God hardens Pharaoh's
heart.
Yes, I feel like that if thatwas important for us to know, we
would have been told yeah, Idon't think that God hardened

(36:20):
Judas's heart.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, it would have beennotated, mm-hmm, but we do know
that he was corrupt the way thathe what was that?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I was scratching my arm, oh okay, and the way that
he what was that?
I was scratching my arm?
Oh, okay.
And the way.
Go ahead and tell everybodywhat I did.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
He just had his, he stuck his arm out and just ran,
ran the paper across his forearmand I was just like what is
going on, reverse?

Speaker 1 (36:44):
It was like a it was like a reverse.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
ASMR like you were trying to get it on the mic,
like and like you were trying toget it on the mic like and and
here is paper running across myarm, but like that's the sound
effect that they would use for arazor, like and here is a clean
shave anyways, uh, back at it.

(37:07):
Yeah, so you know, they do makeit clear that Judas did follow
Christ and didn't walk away withthe other 120 disciples who did
when Jesus claimed to be theMessiah.
That's another thing that Ihave a hard time with is Judas
is one of the 12 up until andyou know, the Bible does say

(37:30):
that he was designated to be theone for destruction.
I don't know.
I mean, it does point out thathe was kind of, he was a wicked
guy.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Not like cool, like wicked awesome like evil guy.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
He was a wretch and a devil Called out by Jesus.
By Jesus, yep, which I mean.
You know.
Jesus calls peter satan.
So that's okay.
You know context, go read it,you'll figure it out all right.
So they, they go to the garden.
Jesus is praying, he gets on topeter, james and john for

(38:09):
falling asleep.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
He says can you not stay awake for even an hour?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
And then that's how you know the food's good.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
You can't even stay awake at that point.
That was some good bread andwine, yeah.
But you know, then leaves, goesand prays some more, comes back
and then changes the time.
Can you not even stay awake for20 minutes, right?
Something like that?
Something like that?
Yeah, does that happen?
It happens like three timesright, where he leaves and comes

(38:41):
back to them and they're justlike asleep.
Every time I feel like.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I only remember him doing that twice.
Okay, yeah, but maybe it'sthree.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I don't think it was three, I think it was just twice
, so and I guess after thesecond time he's like guys,
please get up, like somebody'scoming.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, and it was who who showed up in the garden,
judith judith the loser, andservants of the high priest and,
I believe, temple guards.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
So after Judas left, he went and got them, yes, and
brought them to Jesus.
And they said it's dark outhere, how do we know which one's
Jesus?
He said guys, I got you, I'mgoing to give this man a kiss.
Yeah, the one that you want.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I got you.
I'm going to give this man akiss, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
The one that you want .
I will kiss.
Give him a greeting kiss, andhe does that.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I think I've got, I think it's in Mark is where it
talks about this.
So, which is this is how manytimes he, how many times he woke
him up?
Yeah, okay.
Which is this is how many timeshe woke him up?
Yeah, okay.
So and they went to a placecalled Gethsemane and he said to
his disciples sit here while Ipray.
And he took with him Peter andJames and John and began to be

(40:05):
greatly distressed and troubledand he said to them my soul is
very sorrowful, even to death.
Remain here and watch.

(40:31):
And he said back and found themsleeping.
And he said to Peter Simon, areyou asleep?
Could you not watch one hour?
Watch and pray that you may notenter into temptation.
The spirit, indeed, is willing,but the flesh is weak.
And again he went away andprayed, saying the same words.

(40:51):
And again he came and foundthem sleeping, for their eyes
were very heavy.
They did not know what toanswer him.
And he came the third time andsaid to them I'm still sleeping
and taking your rest.
It is enough.
The hour has come.
The Son of man is betrayed intothe hands of sinners.
Let us rise, going to see thebetrayer.

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I love the.
You were right.
Yeah, so you were right, it'sthree times, but I just love the
wording Like I've been betrayedinto the hand of sinners.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Anyways.
So it's crazy how, when Jesusinsults people, it's so extra
insulting.
Yeah, because it's not likehe's doing it to be mean, he's
just calling you out on facts.
Yep, like, hey you devil, getbehind me, satan.
Here comes the sinners.
Yeah, it's all true, oh my gosh, but yeah.

(41:45):
So they're praying in thegarden and, you know, judas
shows up with the soldiers andall the peoples and says I, I
will greet him with a kiss.
Yeah, that's the one you want.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
So he goes up and the one I will kiss is the man.
Seize him and lead him awayunder guard, the way it says in
Mark.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
And that's about the time Peter threw hands.
Mm, hmm, mm, hmm, threw hands,cut off an ear, yep.
And Jesus said no, you guys,geez, hold on.
Peter cut off an ear and saidPeter cut off an ear.
And Jesus said hold on, guys,he's got to hear this.
And puts the ear back on andheals the ear.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, it says.
But one of those who stood bydrew his sword and struck the
servant of the high priest andcut off his ear.
And Jesus said to them have youcome out as against a robber
with swords and clubs to captureme Day after day?
I was with you in the templeteaching and you did not seize

(42:53):
me, but let the scripture befulfilled.
And they left him and fled.
Yeah, so it doesn't talkspecifically about Jesus putting
the ear back on in the gospelof Mark I think that's in the
gospel of Matthew, but this iswhat's funny is in the gospel of
Mark.
This random little bit isincluded.
It's verse 51, chapter 14,verse 51.

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It says and a young manfollowed him with nothing but a
linen cloth about his body andthey seized him, but he left the
linen cloth and ran away naked.
So it's like it's the guy whowas following Jesus.
All he had on was a linen cloth.
And then the guards go to seizehim and he leaves the cloth and

(43:40):
just runs off naked.
Why is that in there?

Speaker 1 (43:44):
It's just like Mark is like guys.
I saw something that you didn't.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Well, some scholarly people think that this is like
to add to the validity of thestory.
They think that John Mark isjust pinning Peter how Peter
would tell a gospel, but heinserts this little bit about
himself he's that young man whowas wearing the linen cloth.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Just like a criminal, leaving hints and whatnot on
what?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
they did.
I don't know why he wouldinclude that about himself.
Like that doesn't make sense tome.
But some people say that aboutthe gospel Anyways.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
So, yeah, so in the garden, jesus was arrested and
brought before the Sanhedrin Yep, which is the Jewish court, yep
.
And that is the end of Thursday.
We really kind of laid onThursday for a good long bit,
yeah, but you know what?
That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Monday, Thursday.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
So Monday, Thursday and now we're going to talk
about Good Friday, which we didtalk about.
We did talk about, so we'llkind of go over this one fairly
quickly.
Yep, which is, you know, jesuswas arrested and then he was
tried by Pilate.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Well, I was going to say going back to Monday.
Thursday, jesus is arrested bythe Jewish Sanhedrin and brought
before them and they find himguilty and so they have to take
him before pilot to get himexecuted.
They need the Romans to do it.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
And it was because it was Passover.
They didn't want to do it.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I think that it was.
They were playing a legalitygame like pass it off to the
Romans so that we don't get introuble with our own people, but
also so that we don't get introuble with our own people, but
also so that we don't get introuble with the Romans for
killing somebody who hasn't doneanything wrong.
Because the thing is, is theircourt system, the Jewish court
system, a trial has to happenduring the day at the public

(45:47):
gathering place, being, like youknow, the gates or whatever the
courts, and there has to be atleast two eyewitnesses.
They arrest Jesus, they try himin private at night and they
drum up false witnesses andthat's how they find him guilty.
So they don't.
They break their own law tofind Christ guilty Because he

(46:10):
didn't do anything wrong,correct, and then they take him
before Pilate to pass him off,to get him crucified.
So I just wanted to throw thatbit in there, because that's the
part where we talk about, wherePeter denies Christ three times
, because Peter sneaks in and istrying to see what's going on
with Jesus.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
And they're like hey, we know you.
Yeah, and he's like no, youdon't.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I don't know this man .

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Anyways.
So he's tried, beaten, mockedand then sentenced to death.
To death, yep.
He is crucified on GalgothaHill, that is, between two
criminals, between two criminals.
Yep.
From noon to 3 pm, darknesscovers the land.

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Yep, Jesus dies and the templecurtain is torn in two.
Yep, torn in twain, as they say.
A twain.
Yep.
His body is placed in a tombprovided by Joseph of I don't
know how to say that wordArimathea.
Thank you, you're welcome.

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So that is.
Was that right?
Yeah, I'm looking at it like Ijust didn't want to try.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, the only reason I had to clarify that is
because there's a couple ofJosephs in the Bible.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Joseph in his coat of many colors.
Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
So Joseph of Ar?
Yeah, joseph, and his coat ofmany colors, yep, so joseph of
arimathea like he was a followerof christ.
He just wasn't like a one ofthe 12, so, but he was a
well-off man so he had money.
Saturday saturday.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I mean really not much happened on on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Jesus is in the tomb, the disciples are hiding,
they're mourning, they'remourning.
There's not a lot going on onour side, but this is when
Christ goes down into whatpeople would call like the
Catholics call it purgatory,some people use the term hell.
He goes to the resting place ofthe dead and he delivers the

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gospel message to those who aredead, and those who would
believe are rescued from deathand brought into the resurrected
life in Christ and havepictured this You're dead,
savior of all mankind.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
It just shows up and he's like telling these stories
right, probably a shining beaconof light here in this place.
And he's like just follow meand you can be delivered from
this place to a better place.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
And somebody is like, nah, I'm good, yeah, but think
about it, Like that's how it is,yeah, Like it's amazing to,
like we're just like.
Oh no, we would need, like I'llbelieve in Jesus when I get a
sign.
That's all I need.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I just need a sign, even though you're getting signs
24-7.
Exactly, there's no amount ofsign.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
You're seeking after things that God did not.
God doesn't have to give you,and even if he did give them to
you, you would probably explainthem away.
And so you know, there arepeople who, even after they've
died, and a story of forgivenessand restoration to God is
presented to you, you'reprobably going to be like, nah,
there's no way, you know Anyway.

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So yeah, no, there's no way youknow anyway.
So yeah, there's a lot going onin the spiritual realm, but on
the earthly realm.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
They just put some guards, because isn't it that
they put the tomb, the roll thetomb?
They they bury jesus.
Put them in the tomb, roll therock over, and then they say
well, what if somebody comes andsteals his body away and then
says that he rose up?

Speaker 2 (49:53):
you know, yeah, his followers come and steal the
body.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, so then they place two guards to make sure no
one comes to take the body.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I don't know how many guards it was, but yes, they do
place guards.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I'm going to say two, and then you can read your
Bible.
I almost said the little Biblelike as an insult.
No, that's not what I mean.
Go read your little Bible.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
No, I don't think that it, because that's what I'm
saying is.
I don't think that it specifieshow many guards.
I think that it just says thatthey put a Roman guard.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I think I'll have to go to another gospel.
I'm in the mark right now, so Idon't know.
It doesn't really specify asfar as the Roman man, you got to
know Jesus better.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
You got to read all four.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's right.
You know what You're right.
The next day, that is, afterthe day of preparation, the
chief priest and the Phariseesgathered before Pilate and said
Sir, we remember how thatimposter said while he was still
alive after three days, I willrise.
Therefore, order the tomb to bemade secure until the third day

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, lest his disciples go andsteal him away and tell the
people he has risen from thedead and the last fraud will be
worse than the first.
Pilate said to them you have aguard of soldiers.
Go, make it secure as you can.
So they went and made the tombsecure by sealing the stone and

(51:19):
setting a guard.
So yeah, it doesn't reallyspecify.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Well, it sounds like they talk singular and then they
talk plural, so it's I have arandom note here, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
It says 50 to 500 men in an average Roman guard.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I don't know if that's accurate.
I don't know what I was readingto write that down.
That's just what your hopes anddreams were.
And came and rolled back thestone and sat.
Dreams were, yeah.
And came and rolled back thestone and sat yeah, because I've
got it right next to the areawhere the angel comes down and
it causes the guard to become soafraid that it's like they're

(52:03):
dead.
They're like fall down in fear.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah hey, let's get into that, all right.
Sunday morning, that's right.
The big one, this is the bigone, the whole thing, the big
show.
And now for the main event, thebig ancha bang.
Yeah, that's a combination ofenchilada and the big bang are,

(52:27):
we don't believe, for this.
Anyways, are you ready?
Sunday Easter, sunday, womenvisit the tomb and find it empty
.
Yep, mary, mary and Mary, threeMarys, two Marys, two Marys.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Two Marys.
Two Marys Mary Magdalene andthe other, mary.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
So it's which I can't remember which Mary is which,
but one leaves, right, I thinkit's.
Mary Magdalene leaves and Maryno.
Mary Magdalene is the one whostays Okay and Mary leaves, yes,
and the other who stays, okayand Mary leaves, yes, and the
other, mary leaves.
And while she is there, a angelappears Right and says he is

(53:20):
not here.
He has risen.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
He has risen, as he said.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Mm-hmm.
Well, so my notes here sayJesus appears to Mary Magdalene
first.
Mm-hmm, he does, because it'sone.
He has risen, somebody leavesand then somebody else comes
back.
Let's read it, let's do that.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Well, we'll have to get to another gospel.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Because it's a lot of excitement and a lot of things
going on in these moments.
Yeah, understandably that it'ssomebody's here, then they're
there, then some an angel talksto somebody here and then they
leave and somebody comes backand it's jesus is there at this
point.
So yes.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
So in in matthew they don't distinguish that mary
magdalene stays behind in anyway.
The angel just tells them he'srisen.
And so they run to tell thedisciples, and Jesus meets them
along the way and tells them youknow, like hey, do not be
afraid, go and tell my brothersto go to Galilee and there they

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will see me.
So that's Matthew.
When we go to Luke, it talksabout the resurrection.
But on the first day of theweek, at early dawn, they went
to the tomb taking the spicesthey had prepared, and they
found the stone rolled away fromthe tomb.

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But when they went in, they didnot find the body of the Lord
Jesus.
When they went in, they did notfind the body of the Lord Jesus
.
While they were perplexed aboutthis, behold, two men stood by
them in dazzling apparel and asthey were frightened and bowed
their faces to the ground, themen said to them why do you seek
the living among the dead?

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He is not here but has risen.
Remember how he told you, whilehe was still in Galilee, that
the Son of man must be deliveredinto the hands of the sinful
men and be crucified.
And on the third day, rise.
And they remembered his wordsand, returning from the tomb,
they told all these things tothe eleven and to all the rest.

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Now it was Mary Magdalene andJoanna and Mary, the mother of
James, and the other women withthem, who told these things to
the apostles.
But these words seemed to theman idle tale and they did not
believe them.
And it goes into Peter running.

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So that's Luke, and then inJohn.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
That's you.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Hey, john's the one that talks about Jesus appears
to Mary Magdalene.
It's 20 verses, 11 through 18.
So that's where he goes andthat's where he appears to her.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
She's like oh, I thought, are you the gardener?
Where'd you take?
Yeah, just essentially, shesays please just tell me where
you took him and I'll go get him.
Yeah, yep, and she, and jesusis like hey.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, Sup, yeah, it's revealed to her, but it's a big
deal.
He's risen.
Jesus makes the point that hekeeps his scars in his hands and
the scar in his side and in hisfeet as identifiers so that his
disciples, even though they cansee his face, they don't have

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to be like, oh, he's a specter,or oh, he's a ghost or a spirit.
You know it's like.
No, I'm physically here.
Feel my hands.
Feel where you saw the nailspierced through my hands.
Put your hand inside where thespear pierced my side.

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So you know, it's like I'mphysically restored to you and
here's the evidence for that.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I mean because that's not the first time where they
saw Jesus and thought he was aghost right.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, yeah, they've been like, oh my gosh, it's a
ghost on the water.
During the storm on the water.
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
So yeah, storm on the water, yeah, yep, so, yeah.
So I have a note here that saysthe resurrection confirms
Jesus's identity as the son ofGod and savior of the world.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Correct.
It all hinges.
Everything that Christ saidhinges on him coming back from
the dead, because he predictshis own death and he makes the
point that I will destroy thistemple and I will rebuild it in
three days is what he says, andhe's talking about his body.
They destroy his body on GoodFriday and on Easter Sunday he

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is resurrected from the dead.
He restores his temple andbrings forth the victory over
death.
So really cool, and it does, Imean.
It just solidifies who he is,who he says he is.
Amen, amen, praise the Lord.
Hey, he is risen.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
He has risen.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You should say he has risen.
Indeed, go again.
Hey, he is risen.
He has risen.
You should say he is risen.
Indeed, go again.
Hey, he is risen.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Indeed, he has risen indeed, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Okay, all right, yeah , so that's the gospel timeline.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
So I have a question.
I wanted to kind of bring thisup and have this conversation,
okay, a little bit, because Ifeel like that a lot of times
things are in the Bible.
We celebrate certain things,certain moments.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
And like, let's say, christmas, okay, we celebrate
Jesus's birth on December 25th.
Yeah, was he actually born onDecember 25th?
You know that kind of question,sure.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So my question to you is for this timeline, because
he was crucified on according tohow we celebrate it on a Friday
?
Yes, he was in the grave forthree days.
It on a Friday.
Yes, he was in the grave forthree days and resurrected on
Sunday.
Correct, but that wasn't atotal of three days.

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Well on the third day, Right?
So I think a lot of peoplemisunderstand these things.
It was on the third day he rose, but a lot of people will see
that, and I believed it that waythat he was in the third day he
rose.
But a lot of people will seethat, and I believed it that way
that he was in the grave forthree days.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, no, it's not a I'm going to be in the grave 72
hours.
It's a I'm going to die, be inthe tomb and then, on that third
day, be in the tomb and then onthat third day I will rise from
the dead.
And the significance of that isthe Passover, because Passover

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is happening on a high Sabbath.
Sabbath is Saturday.
For the Jews, Sabbath doesn'tend until Saturday night.
It starts Friday night and endsSaturday night.
It's a full 24-hour processwhere they're supposed to rest.
And so for the high Sabbath, itjust so happens that Passover

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happens on a Sabbath.
That's why it's called a highSabbath.
And so Jesus is in the graveduring the Sabbath.
Jesus is, if you will, at restduring the Sabbath, though he
was doing stuff.
He was at rest Though he wasdoing stuff, yeah, and so he
doesn't interrupt the Sabbathday by coming back on Sabbath,

(01:01:00):
but the next day he comes backAfter the high Sabbath, he rises
from the dead, and so and andthat would be the day that
israel is leaving egypt, that'swhen they're walking out of
egypt is on that third day, andso that's kind of the.

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The idea is it's he.
He dies on a friday, he's inthe grave and then that third
third day is Sunday, when hecomes back.
He's not, it's not, it's notdead for 72 hours, it's just.
It's a three-day process of himdying, being dead and rising On
three different days.
On three different days.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
It all happens within three days and so, yeah, that
was just kind of my thing islike the misconception, because
we could misread one littlething and interpret it as he was
in the grave for three days,but it says that he rose on the
third day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, and you know it's a good point.
It's something to point outthat we we tend to misunderstand
it here in our time, I guessbecause we're so analytical.
But everyone understood it backthen because the high priests
came and were like on the day ofpreparation, like hey, like can
you go put guards on the tomb?

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Because he said he would comeback tomorrow and his disciples
might steal his body and producean even greater hoax than the
first one.
So they understood what hemeant.
But we remove for hundreds ofyears, want to be so analytical
about it.
Like well, he said three days,but it happened in less time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Which is crazy because, oh, if it happened over
a span of three different days,but it was a total of two days,
him raising from the gravedoesn't mean anything, because
it was two days versus threedays.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah, I think your argument, yeah, the bigger thing
here is that he rose from thedead.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Right, Like we get so stuck on numbers that we forget
that.
Wait, he rose from the dead andno one's ever done that and no
one will do that again without.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
God yeah, no one comes back from the dead on
their own Right.
Yeah, yeah, no one comes backfrom the dead on their own Right
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, all right.
So that is, that's our Easter.
That's Easter.
Praise the Lord, amen, amen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Real quick.
We got the one last thing foryou, and that is Tyler.
This is your transition intothe Corner.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Step inside if you dare.
Shadows move, mysteries whisper, and the unknown awaits.
Welcome to the Corner.
So what are we talking about ontoday's corner?

(01:04:03):
This mystical, ancient creature?

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
We're going to talk about the Easter.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Bunny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
It's the Easter.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Bunny.
So tell me more about thiscreature that, tell me what you
know about the Easter Bunny.
He's a paganistic littlecreature, okay, and he lays eggs
.
Okay, and that's eggs.
Okay, and that's it.
Okay, I have notes, let's getinto this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Okay.
So allegedly some peoplespeculate that it's a pagan
reference to a pagan holiday ora pagan goddess, ayastora Eostre
, eostre, yeah, or Ay pagangoddess Iostora Eostre, eostre,
yeah, yeah.
Or Iostor Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
A dramatic goddess of spring and fertility, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
And there is suggestion that hares were used
as symbolisms for her Mm-hmm,because you know, they occur in
spring and they're more activein springtime and they're really
good at reproducing Very goodat it but the bunny is not a

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hare.
They can't actually breed witheach other, right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
They look the same, but they're different.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Same same, but different.
Yeah you're right, anyways.
So yeah, I mean, but that isthe go-to.
Like, a lot of people talkabout this Germanic deity,
goddess, and that's where we getthe term Easter from.
The problem is and Wes Huffactually did a video on this, so

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it was pretty good but like hername also coincides with the
term for the season, that's, thechanging of the season.
Easter or Yostor is like it'ssomething month, I want to say,
it's like first month orchanging month or something like

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that, but that would be thedramatic in English term for
spring.
It also happens to be verysimilar or the same as the name
of the goddess that some peoplecelebrated, so it's hard like

(01:06:33):
when you really look at it thatway you could go, you could say,
yes, easter bunny's pagan.
Because of this germanicgoddess whose name is similar to
, or whose name, who shares hername, with the season that
resurrection of Christ isacknowledged in, and then

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everybody in the ancient worldused bunnies as a symbol for
spring.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Is that why the Easter bunny brings eggs?
Because it's a symbolism forfertility and abundance type
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
That's something that okay.
So to my understanding, thewhole the Easter bunny brings
the eggs is like way, way downthe line.
So eggs on Easter happenedbecause a lot of people would
give up eggs for Lent.
So to make the eggs last, theywould boil because people are

(01:07:39):
still getting eggs from theirchickens.
Right, they would hard boil theeggs so that when Lent was over
they could start eating them.
Lent was over, they could starteating them, and a German
practice came from painting theeggs and then giving them as
gifts at the end of Lent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
I have here.
They have the Osterhaus, whichis Easter hair, yeah, and that
started appearing in the 1600sand it says children made nests
for it to lay colored eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah, so this is like removed hundreds of years from
any kind of practice of paganismor occultic stuff and people
celebrating Lent as a little funthing.
They started decorating eggsfor each other and then giving
them as gifts.
And then it went into kids wouldmake nests because the Easter

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house was going to bring themeggs as a gift at the end of
Lent, which is Easter Sunday,and that's where it blows up to
what we have today, where we'vegot plastic eggs and candies
inside them and the Easter bunny.
And get your basket to collectthese eggs for Easter, because

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that's the celebration of ourbirthday, and that's what I have
here is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
German immigrants brought the tradition to the US
in the 1700s and it evolved intothe Easter bunny, delivering
candy, eggs and toys.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Yep, so its origins.
With the whole eggs.
It evolved into the EasterBunny delivering candy eggs and
toys Yep, so its origins, withthe whole eggs.
Was it spawned out of Lent andpeople acknowledging the end of
Lent, which is a religiouspractice inside Christianity.
So the whole it came from paganfestivities.

(01:09:30):
You could draw a line, but it'sa very flimsy one and yeah,
that's just how it is.
Like to say that the Easterbunny is pagan.
I just don't think you can doit, because the bunny is used in
every culture as a symbol fordifferent things, and so it's

(01:09:52):
like to say that Christiansdon't get to use God's creation
to celebrate something is kindof silly.
I think the important side ofthat argument of is the Easter
Bunny pagan and should we do it?
The important side of that isdon't let it take away from what

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the holiday is really about,and that was something I was
about to ask Is the.
Easter bunny, distracting fromthe true message of Easter.
See, that's I don't think itdoes.
I mean for me and my family itdoesn't.
We don't like get all hyped upabout the Easter bunny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
If you make it okay.
So all these holidays, rightthat we have that, we have this.
I guess it's really Easter andChristmas.
Yeah, we have a mythicalcreature, icon of some kind, a
cryptid, as they say.
Sure, yep, that represents theholiday when the real message
should be Jesus.

(01:10:49):
There's nothing wrong if yousay let's go have some candy and
eggs and all that stuff, let'shave gift exchanges.
But when you take Jesus out ofthat and say a mythical creature
, the Easter bunny or a mythicalman brought you these gifts,
yes, that takes away from thetruth of these days.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, yeah.
If you get focused on theextras and you don't acknowledge
the real reason, then Iwouldn't say that necessarily
you're practicing or celebratingpaganism.
I would say that you areallowing things from the world
to distract you from the truthand you need to come back in.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
As long as you make it about Jesus Exactly, there's
nothing wrong with hiding someeggs and getting some candy or
exchanging some gifts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
I don't have an issue with it.
So there you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
That's the Easter bunny.
That is old Peter Cottontail.
Old Peter Cottontail.
All right, well, thank you somuch for joining us on episode
32 of the Saints that Servepodcast For our Easter
celebration.
I hope y'all enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yeah, I hope you had a good time.
Obviously, easter has come andgone because it's Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
But we didn't want to take ourselves off of that
schedule entirely.
So here we are, monday, talkingabout what you just experienced
and what it meant.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yeah, and maybe, if you didn't participate in it,
hopefully we highlighted somethings for you that will make
you be like you know what I'mgoing to celebrate Easter in a
church next year, that's right.
Find a body of believers thatyou can be a part of.
Find that community and investin it and let it invest in you.
And when we come around to ourholidays, let's celebrate.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
That's what I have to say.
There you go.
So again, if you have anyquestions about what we talked
about, you can shoot us an emailat saintsthatserve at gmailcom,
or you can just leave a commentin the comment section of
whatever platform you'relistening to this on.
If it has comments, yeah, allright.
Well, that's all I got, andthat's what all I've got.

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Christ is Lord and the kingdomis now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
We are the saints that serve.
I want to point out that Jesuscursed a fig tree for not

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producing figs and it neverproduced again.
Jesus is like curse this figtree and then it was actually
cursed.
So remember that Jesus's wordshave actions, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
And hey, keep in mind , if you don't give Jesus a fig,
he will curse you give me a figor I'll curse.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
You.
No, he won't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
No, he won't no, he ain't, because you need to give
him that fig, okay all done,y'all.