Episode 37 - Unmasking Scientology

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Uncover the secrets behind Scientology—its sci-fi roots, celebrity followers, and high financial demands. We explore how L. Ron Hubbard built a pay-to-progress belief system, the shocking story of Operation Snow White, and why stars like Tom Cruise support it. Most importantly, we contrast this with Christianity’s message of free grace and salvation.

If you're curious about cults, alternative religions, or want to strengthen your faith, this episode is for you.

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Episode Transcript

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Yeah.
So we thought it would be funto just dive into a couple of
weeks of just looking at thedifferent cults, and we decided
to kick this week off and that'swhat we're going to do tonight
into a couple of weeks of justlooking at the different cults,
and we decided to kick this weekoff, and that's what we're
going to do tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
We're just going to talk about one of the probably
the most cult cult that is partof a organized religion, not a
cult where it's like a group ofcrazy people in a barn on a farm
in Idaho.

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Speaker 1 (05:26):
get into it.
I can tell so much that you'reready to hop into this, because
you've tried to start theepisode, the main topic, several
times.
I'm excited too, yeah.
So, tyler, this is yourtransition.
We are now transitioning intothe main topic, which is we're
going to talk about Scientology.
We hate it, we're gonna diveinto the world of sci-fi.

(05:52):
This is okay.
Of all of the cults, this isthe wackiest one, dude.
It's so wacky.
Looking into my research forthis, I'm just like this can't
be real.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
This is parody, this can't be that's just you denying
your inner thetan.
Oh yeah, yeah, you're right.
Right, you just need to allowthe auditing to happen so that
it can be released and I need tobecome what.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
What is it?
It's um operating thetan, right, I think ot.
I got to become ot and clear.
This is so stupid dude.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I think that that was the most outlandish thing to me
was the auditing.
That's what they decided tocall it.
Right, right, you're just likewait a minute, you can tell that
it is very business oriented.
Oh, we'll get into why.
Yeah, so let's.
Yeah, let's just get into it.
So what is Scientology?

(06:46):
So?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
L Ron Hubbard is the founder of Scientology.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Which can I just point out that that sounds very
much so like a science fictionwriter's name L Ron Hubbard.
Yeah, because guess what, he isa science fiction writer's name
L Ron Hubbard.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, because guess what?
He is a science fiction writer.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
But that's what I'm saying.
It was almost like he was bornfor the part, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
My notes are a little oddly Everywhere.
Just like this religion.
Hey-o Got him no.
So they have a book.
It's their key text.
It's called dianetics, themodern science of mental health.
Oh, that is their quote-unquotebible.

(07:35):
It was founded in 1954 as theChurch of Scientology in Los
Angeles.
Los Angeles, the City of FallenAngels, right City of the Angel
, something like that.
Oh, los Angeles, I think, isthe City of Angels or something.

(07:56):
I mean Los is plural for the.
So the City of Angels, yeah,los Angeles.
Anyways, sorry, when me andAshley went to Los Angeles I saw
the building I got a picture ofit.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
What's it called the gold?
What's it called the goldsomething?
What's that?
The Scientology building?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's called the gold something.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't know, I took a picture of them.
Look at this cult, look at that.
Funny enough, I've been seeinga lot of videos on tiktok of
this one dude passing by andharassing or yelling at the
people inside the scientologybuilding.
Like anytime he sees somebodyin there he's like it's a cult,
guys, guys, get out, get out.
When you can kind of stuffattack, like just warning the

(08:41):
people who are in there, yeah,every single time they have like
a panic button and it justshuts the doors, all the doors,
immediately, and then tents allthe windows for the building
what yeah that's crazy so it's.
It's really funny to watch this.
Every time those come up I'mlike I've seen that building,
I've walked that street I'mtrying to find the name of the

(09:01):
building.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
It is because when we were looking into doing all
this, I was looking at it andthey gave the names of some of
the different buildings theyhave.
But, yeah, this one, it waslike gold something, the one in
Los Angeles, but isn't it weirdthat it has a cross on the top
of it?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, when bizarre right, especially when they
don't believe in a God.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, they don't believe in a god.
Yeah, they do n't.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
They don't believe in a god, they don't believe in
jesus no, this is so scientology, we're going to get into it,
but it's strictly incrediblyfake.
So incredibly fake.
Yes, uh, they expanded globallyin the 1960s and 70s was their
big boom.
They've been involved in a lotof legal disputes, tax battles

(09:50):
and accusations of abuse oftheir members.
Yeah, a lot of them they tried.
I remember watching adocumentary about it this big
one I think it was called Goingclear or something like that and
like.
One of the big points in thatstory was them like having this

(10:12):
huge, huge, like legal issuesand legal battles to fight for
the fat, for the right for themto be considered a official
religion so they could becometax free.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, that was.
Yeah, that's dude, it's a, it'sa scam.
It's such a scam Not to offendanybody.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Oh, if you're a Scientologist and you're
listening to this, first off,get out.
Second off, it's a scam.
Third off find Jesusimmediately.
Yes, yes, yes.
If you are a Scientologiststuck in the Church of
Scientology, email us atsaintsatsir at gmailcom and we
will show you the way to JesusChrist.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yes, we will reveal the truth.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
And it has nothing to do with being audited yes, so
you're still trying to figurethat out.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
That building no, I gave up on that, but I do find
it interesting that they havetwo, like I guess you could say
they break it into two portions.
It for like entering into thereligion.
There's processing and thentraining and it's the they call

(11:29):
it the bridge to total freedom,right?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
So in that it's like a structured path to spiritual
enlightenment and freedom is howthey put it.
Yeah, Individuals advance frompre-clear to clear to advanced
operating thetan levels.
So that's what I wasreferencing earlier OT levels.
Each step is designed to removemore spiritual barriers and

(11:58):
bring the individual closer to afull self-realization as a
thetan, Self-realization as athetan.
So if that sounds wacky, it is.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I think that they use the term auditor.
The higher up you get.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Oh, I see, so you start with Well, so what is a
thetan?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, hold on.
What does the OT mean again?
Operating thetan, there we go,so yeah it is.
There we go, so yeah it is.
You go through the levels ofoperating Thetan and then you
get into the class auditor, sowhatever that means.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
So again disclaimer we believe none of this.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, and we're actually still researching it to
try to.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Because it's so wild and there's so much out there.
You were telling me some wackystuff before we got started.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, some of the history.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
That goes into it.
Some of the history and some oflike you want to get in with
their, but we'll get into thatin a minute, yeah, yeah, but
just kind of like to tell youwhat they believe is.
They believe that humans areessentially Thetans.
Thetans are immortal spiritualbeings who have forgotten their
divine nature.
Thetans are trapped in a cycleof trauma and confusion due to

(13:17):
painful memories acrosscountless lifetimes.
That's so weird dude.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, yeah, they, the way I understand it is, they
believe that the physical bodyis the imprisonment of a thetan,
which is this spiritualenlightened entity it's
essentially not even you as aperson yeah, you're trapping the
Thetan.
You're the villain right andyou will have to in order for

(13:48):
you to become enlightened, youneed to release the inner Thetan
within you.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
But it's not you.
You have to release the Thetan,though A term they use is
engrams, engrams.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
And auditing.
We've said that several times.
Auditing Yep, so engrams okay.
And auditing.
We've said that several,several times.
Auditing yep, so engrams aresubconscious traumatic memories
for them, right, and auditing isa counseling process using an
e-meter to remove engrams Iwould like to point out, because
here we are again scientology,obviously a cult.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, I couldn't even call it a cult because it's not
branching off from a mainreligion.
It is its totally own thing,it's totally fabricated in its
own way, but it is usingterminology that derives from
every other worldly religion.

(14:46):
I mean the ancient religions tomodern day Hinduism and
Buddhism.
Where it's, there's endlesslife cycles and we're just.
This is the one we're in rightnow.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
And we're working to get a better one in the next one
and we're working to get abetter one in the next one.
And it's just a poorunderstanding of the immortal,
that we were designed to beimmortal, like God when he

(15:21):
created the all things and hecreated man in his image he
created.
Sin is what takes away ourimmortality and makes us mortal
or with an end.
But it also I mean, I guess youcould say this is where
Scientology takes some spiritualcreativity from Christianity,

(15:41):
because sin wants to lie to usand make us think that this is
it.
Once our physical body goes,we're done, there's nothing else
.
That's what the world teachesthrough science and atheism, and
I mean even a lot of agnosticstuff.
They don't really believe.
You pass on to something else,but the Bible teaches that we

(16:05):
are immortal.
We have an immortal soul or animmortal spirit that has the
opportunity for eternity if weput our faith in Christ, because
he is the only true eternity.
And so if we live in Christ,then we live in eternity.
If we separate ourselves fromChrist, then we will live in the

(16:29):
mortal world.
That will end with thedestruction of sin, when God
brings down the final day anddestroys sin, everything in sin
will be destroyed with it.
Sin will be destroyed with it.
So you know, there's thatconcept and it seems like
Scientology is latching ontothat, like, oh, you've got an
immortal soul trapped inside you, it's called a thetan and you

(16:53):
need to release it.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Release the thetan.
It's not you, it's not part ofyou and you have to let it go
because that trauma, that traumawithin the thetan, is bringing
you down.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I could be totally wrong on this, but I think the
idea is, once you can releasethe thetan within, or become an
operating thetan, then you canstart to develop and become like
a thetan, an immortal,enlightened, transcendent being.
I think that that's the idea.

(17:25):
I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's so nonsensical and it's not even the worst part
which we're going to get into.
So this knowledge, right yes,this stuff that we're talking
about, right yeah.
How do you learn this in thisquote-unquote religion that's?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
a good question.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
You have to pay money .
You have to pay a lot of money.
Yeah, so you have the differentlevels, right?
Yes, in the cult, and to get toeach level, it is not you
proving yourself spiritually insome way, shape or form, it is
not like proving your knowledgein certain topics or whatever.

(18:07):
It is paywalls you have to paya certain amount of money, a
ridiculous amount of money, toget the knowledge from this
quote-unquote church.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, so can I just read the very first step in the
progression of the bridge.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, so again, so you called it.
The bridge to total freedom isthere, it's their steps program.
Which is their different levels, and you gain this knowledge
through levels.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yep.
So the very first one on thisschematic, if you will, is
called purification rundown.
On this schematic, if you will,it's called Purification
Rundown and what you get whenyou complete it is freedom from
the restimulative effects ofdrug residuals and other toxins.
What, yeah?

(18:59):
So, and then you move on to theTRs and objectives, which is I
don't know what TRs stands forTraining routines, training
routines.
And then it goes intoScientology drug rundown,
happiness rundown, arc, straightwire, grade one, grade zero

(19:23):
grade.
It goes grade zero up to gradefour, and then you go into new
era dianatics, or ned, expandeddiagnatics what um?

Speaker 1 (19:39):
what are you looking at?
This is in it.
It's too much information, soI'm gonna stop looking at it,
I've got my, I've got a verylike brief summary and I'm
trying to follow along withyours this is I mean because
it's even breaking down, likethe levels of yeah, it's so.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
It's so detailed, it looks like on your side I mean
when you become a level 15 otability gained confidential
until released.
I don't even know.
Oh, oh, oh.
This, this sheet will not tellyou what it means Like it won't
tell you what your ability is oh, I bet you, because that is

(20:17):
probably something more officialit's behind the paywall.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
It's behind the paywall, so that's something
official, so.
So that makes more sense.
So their stuff is very genericinformation because you have to
again, you have to pay to earnit, to learn it Correct, to
prove yourself worthy of thisknowledge.
So do you want to know whatthey learned?
Let's do it.
So this is free of charge foryou, on the Saints that Serve

(20:41):
podcast.
Free of charge, free of charge.
But I'm going to read this toyou and then I'm going to let
you know how much it would havecost if you were a Scientologist
, to learn this knowledge.
Hit me.
So this is for the OT, levelthree operating thetan level
three.
It's the Xenu myth.

(21:02):
This is what Scientologistsbelieve the, the xenomyth, the
xenomyth that wasn't a xenomorph, so this is this is a very
brief summary of it.
Yeah, but they believe that 75million years ago, a galactic

(21:25):
named Xenu teleported billionsof beings to Earth, killed them
with a hydrogen bomb andreleased their spirits.
Wow, these spirits, called bodythetans, attached to human
bodies or are they are attachedto humans today got it at ot

(21:49):
levels.
Scientologists attempt toremove these spirits through
solo auditing.
Solo auditing you have to be inthe church for many years yeah,
to and donate money and get toOT level three to learn what
you're supposed to believe inthis church.

(22:09):
This is their base foundationon their religion, and you have
to be there for this certainamount of time.
And you have to be.
You have to be OT level three.
Yes, ot level three costssomewhere between two to $15,000
.
Per level.

(22:31):
Jeez, that's so from OT to onethrough three, keep in mind.
So there's steps before this,there are steps before this.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
So we talked about Can I tell you real quick
according to this chart, thereare 22 other levels before you
get to OT level three.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Mine is very brief.
That's even crazier than mine,jeez.
So so that, like, you go in andit's free to go into the
building yeah, of course, freeto get in and then you have an
intro course and you take apersonality test.
That's free, and thepersonality test is $50.
Then they'll do life repair.
Oh boy, that's $2,000 to $4,000single payment.

(23:18):
Then you have to do yourpurification rundown, which is
$25,000 to $5,000.
Then objective and grades,which is $7,000 to $15,000 each
Jeez.
Then, when you become clear, tobecome clear, that's $50,000 to
$100,000 plus.
Then you become OT.

(23:40):
Okay, and there's 15 levels ofOT.
This is insanity.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
There are 13 levels before you get to level clear.
So just so you guys know.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
So all of your religion Scientologists are
behind a paywall, don't people?
Don't get mad at people forbuying skins and dlc on fortnite
.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, so basically, what you're saying is, once
you've paid the thousands ofdollars to get to tens of
thousands of tens of thousandsof dollars to get to ot, level
three is when you can finallyfind out what's going on.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yes, and now our feature presentation.
That's essentially what it is.
Yeah, you just saw the trailers.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
You paid tens of millions of dollars to watch the
trailers.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'm sorry, tens of thousands To watch the trailers.
Then you get to the main showand then it's just like a mad—no
wonder, by the time you get toOT3, that you believe it because
you're so invested at thatpoint, yeah yeah, you know what
I mean, yeah.
You know the good and well thatthere are TV shows that you were
heavily invested in and theydid some stupid nonsense and you

(24:52):
pushed through it and believedin it.
Yeah, because you were soinvested you know what I mean
like something like the tv showlost, you go through it and
you're just like when they startdoing stupid nonsense.
I'm just using an example.
I don't know if lost had stupidnonsense or not, but I mean
maybe.
But like you watch through allof lost, it's just like you're

(25:14):
just trying to work it out inyour mind Like, no, it's not
that bad.
It's not that bad.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And it's like, well, yeah,because you're so invested in it
, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, I'm looking at this chart and for the highest
level, class 11.
Class 11.
Auditor.
Jeez, it looks like it says theend result is flubless, class
11 auditor.
So it explains what a flublessauditor is.

(25:47):
What does that even meanflubless?
All right, I'm going to Google,search it and see what it is.
What is flubless?
What?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
is flubless.
So while you look that up,you're going to probably sit in
there asking like, okay, if thisis how much this costs to
become part of this religion andgain this knowledge?
How do people know this?
And it's because people havebeen trapped in this cult.
Literally, they trap peopleright.
They trap people right, theyput them in these camps and they

(26:15):
like, essentially break themdown into making them almost
like mindless slaves so thatthey can keep gaining money from
these people.
And people have, they use thephrase escaped.
They escape Scientology andthey have been telling people of
the world what they have beenthrough and this is what they
were taught to believe.
Yeah, so this knowledge is outhere now for free, for you to

(26:38):
decline, hopefully, please,people decline this knowledge,
not this podcast, the knowledgeof psycho religion.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Just a quick Google search doesn't give me anything
on flubless.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Isn't a flub like you messing up something like
talking.
You flubbed your line.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Maybe I don't know.
A flubless class auditor refersto an auditor who has completed
the class and become flublessInternship auditor course and is
considered a proficient inperforming auditing without
mistakes.
So I was right, so you're right.
Mistakeless, yeah, yeah, nomistakes in performing auditing
without mistakes.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
So I was right.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
So you're right, mistakeless, yeah, yeah, no
mistakes in performing an auditwhich is releasing of a thetan,
making somebody an operatingthetan Right.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
They've gone clear, yeah, and clear is a milestone
in which the individual is saidto have eradicated their
reactive mind, which is thesource of irrational fears and
behaviors.
Claims include improved memory,emotional stability and
physical health.
People, if you need just mentalhealth, just go see a

(27:52):
psychiatrist or something.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
This is crazy.
A psychiatrist or somethinglike yeah, this is.
This is crazy.
I feel like I'm doing researchfor a dungeons and dragons
campaign, figuring out whatclass I'm gonna be right.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
That's what this feels like looking at all this
so much data, so muchinformation.
So essentially, what's going onhere is L Ron Hubbard.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
That guy.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
That guy is a science fiction writer and he decided
that he wanted to create areligion so that he could make
money.
That is baseline, exactly whathappened, where this man said I
want to be able to make moremoney through donations, because
being a science fiction writeris not cutting it, so he makes a

(28:39):
religion, comes up with thisawful plan to entrap people, and
people believe this, yeah, andit's so crazy that all he knows
is science fiction, so he worksin the science fiction into his
religion.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, this AI search says that his most popular books
include Dianatics, the modernscience of mental health, which
is quote unquote their Bible,and Battlefield Earth,
battlefield Earth, jeez, which Idon't know if that is just a
straight up, that's just aseparate thing that he wrote, or

(29:17):
if that plays into the lorebehind the religion.
Right With the Xena characteror Xeno character.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, I'm going to let you be wrong, because it
doesn't deserve being said outloud, correctly.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
What Xenu oh Xenu Xenu.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Don't say it three times, it'll show up like
Beetlejuice.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well, and so then we get into that, like how much of
it is fabrication and how muchof it is demonic deception?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Mm, you know like is All of it?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I believe is demonic deception, deception well, yes,
but I mean like, becausesometimes I think that satan
allows, if he's like, hey, ifthey're operating in in darkness
and and just being ridiculous,I don't even need to get
involved.
I don't need to, I don't need tostoke that fire right but if

(30:13):
they're, you know, kind ofworking towards getting if, if
the light's going to expose intheir life, I need to figure out
some creative deceptions tothrow their way, because I think
that's the sole purpose or solegoal of the fallen angels is
they've already lost the war, soall they have left is

(30:34):
destructive deception.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
How many people can we drag down with us?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yes, or even how can we make life harder for the
faithful who are a part of thiscovenant of God, even though
they may not be able to stealthem from God?
Because that's what the Biblesays.
It says that none can steal thesaved from God.
Right, your salvation can't betaken from you, but how much

(31:02):
pain and distraction can theyput into a believer's life?
It's almost like I know I'm notgoing to win the fight, but how
much damage can I do?

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Because if that damage being done to you could
also affect a nonbeliever howyou react to a nonbeliever, they
might attempt to use you tocause somebody else to lose.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Sure, yeah, that's a good point too, these cults and
these mystery religions andthings.
It's how much of it is demonicscript and how much of it is
just creative liberties ofdarkness.
You know like?
I mean is, is L Ron Hubbardbeing spoon fed the deceptions

(31:50):
that he's supposed to giveothers from a demonic presence,
or is it kind of he was pointedin the right direction and then
his creative liberties ofdarkness just took force?
Are you saying maybe Xenu is anactual demon?
I'm saying, yeah, what if Xenuis an actual demonic presence?
Or what if Thetans are theactual demonic presence?

(32:11):
Right, right, because I mean,in the Bible we see when Jesus
casts out a demonic presence ina man, he has what's called
legion, a legion of demons,which, yeah, a legion for the
Roman Empire is a thousand men.
So if you take it literally,it's a thousand demons and one

(32:33):
guy and they all operatetogether and that's why they
call themselves Legion.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Man, what kind of life were you living that
allowed you to have a thousanddemons be possessing you and
controlling you?

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well, okay, getting into that.
Think about where we're attoday.
We're in the same world, likethe same rules apply.
The only thing that has changedis the cultural preferences or
the cultural dynamics that haschanged over time.
But outside of that, thespiritual realm is still the

(33:09):
same.
There's still a lot of darknessplaying in this world because
this is the kingdom of Satanright now.
Right, he is the prince of theworld.
Still, he's been defeated byChrist's victory over death, but
he's still given time to reignuntil that final day.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
How many people can he bring with him when he is
finally drawn down?
Yeah, beaten down.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, so it's.
You know, like we see that Imean that guy, he was
manifesting crazy demonicpresences, so much for that he
was cast out of society becausethey were like we don't want
anything to do with you, you'vegot so many demons in you that
you're a harm to everyone.
But I mean, what about theperson that has one demon in

(33:57):
them?
And they just kind of skitsevery now and then and it's like
, well, that's kind of weird,but whatever, like it can hide
well, but when you've got somany demons, it shows.
That happens today.
Like there are people that theycan't even.
They have so much demonicpresence around and in them that

(34:18):
it can't even hide well,because there's just no room,
you know, and so, and to behonest, like that's why it's so
important for us, as Christians,to operate in the light.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Right and bring light to things that want to be
hidden behind paywalls.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, and Behind paywalls, yeah, Like Scientology
.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
I mean Behind the paywalls.
I mean it's like I'm thescience guy, but you know what I
mean?
It's just like, yeah, that'spart of their structure.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's to wait till you're in too deep before you
are revealed.
How stupid this is.
Well, and it's like every Imean, the more that we get into
the different cults for the nextcouple of weeks, more people
are going to realize that allthese cults, their motivation,
is to enlighten the secretknowledge.
People want the secretknowledge, right, and these
cults promise hey, you canattain it on your own, all you

(35:19):
have to do is join us and dowhat we say.
Whereas the Bible says thesecret knowledge is in Christ.
The only way to obtain it isthrough Christ, and so that's
the idea is with to understandthe secrets of the universe and
the secret knowledge that's onlyfound in God, and the only way
to get to God is through his son, and so you have to acknowledge

(35:42):
the son, you have toacknowledge that he died for
your sins on the cross and heextends the grace of God to you.
For you to be forgiven, youhave to surrender and believe in
that.
You can't obtain it on your own,and I think that's what causes
so much problems for so manypeople is they don't want, it's

(36:03):
hard to accept grace becausethey feel so.
They feel so evil and dark.
It's like I want to fix myself.
I don't want to just beforgiven.
I don't think I can be forgiven.
I I've got to earn it.
You know that.
I think that's secretly what'sgoing on in people's lives is.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
It's.
I understand that mentality,right it's.
You know it feels better if youearned a living.
I know there's people out therewho love having handouts, but
in a general sense, would youfeel better about yourself if
you worked out, went out, didyour job, worked a long, hard

(36:45):
day's work and you get thatmoney and you get paid for it?
Or if I just handed you cashright now, for no reason.
Which one would feel better toyou personally?
Well, yeah, or a stranger's,walked up and handed you cash.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So that's the thing is.
That's where the idolatry comesinto play.
Is that if I work for it and Iget it on my own, it's me and I
can pat myself on the back or Ican acknowledge myself For my
example.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
That's not what I'm behind.
What's easier, what feelsbetter at the end of the day,
right.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I see you were comparing it, saying that this
feels weird.
Getting salvation for free yeah, there has to be a catch, like
the typical human mindset tothat, to some degree, is like
there has to be some sort ofcatch because there's no way
that something this good is free.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I see what you're saying.
I don't know.
I don't really look at it thatway.
I look at like what I wasgetting at is with the idolatry
that's in the idea of salvation,like me as a person, as a human
who's born into sin anddarkness, who's already
corrupted.
My mindset is is me Like, howcan I be built up, how can I be

(37:59):
glorified?
And when I find out that I'mimperfect and I'm working on
being perfect, or, as ourculture would say, as I'm
working to improve myself orfiguring out how to love myself,
hashtag, treat yourself, yeah,yeah, like when that's the
mindset, it revolves around meaccomplishing things and I feel

(38:22):
good about accomplishing thosethings because it's building me
up as my own idol.
I'm carving out the image thatI'm going to worship for the
rest of my life, and I thinkthat that's where a lot of
people go, especially the peoplethat are obsessed with you know
, their, their image online ortheir presence on social media.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, and I think that that does actually go back
to what you were saying of likeyou know, I can do this myself.
I don't need anything else.
Like you're saying, it's.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Well, I don't even know if it comes from the like.
I don't know if it starts withthe confidence of I can do this
myself.
It's it's almost like a I haveto be able to do this myself.
You know what I mean.
Like it's a there's no otherway.
I've got to figure out how todo it.
That's the lie.
The deception that we're borninto is that I've got to do this
somehow.

(39:14):
But then Christ teaches thatyou cannot.
Yeah, you have to humbleyourself.
You have to receive the gracethat I extend, because you
cannot earn forgiveness of sin.
You have to receive thatforgiveness and we only can.
We have to receive thatforgiveness and we can only step

(39:35):
into that truth if we practicefaith.
We have to believe that whatGod says for us to be forgiven
and be in perfection is legit.
So I want to read from theofficial Scientology website.
Okay, if you go under, what isScientology?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I hope you used a VPN because they got you.
Now, uh-oh, you went to theirwebsite.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Okay, if you go under , what is Scientology?
I hope you used a VPN becausethey got you.
Now, uh-oh, you went to theirwebsite.
Yeah, if you.
Yeah, what is Scientology?
Towards the bottom of thearticle, it says Scientology is
not a dogmatic religion in whichone is asked to accept anything
on faith alone.
On the contrary, one discoversfor oneself that the principles
of Scientology are true.
I love how it says don't havefaith, but have faith in us to

(40:22):
believe that this is what works.
Well, and I mean we just, I meanwe just spent what 10, 15
minutes talking about paywallsand like the different levels

(40:45):
you have to pay to get to, andit's like it is very much so you
do all the work to get here.
Right, we're giving you thelevels that you have to earn,
literally by buying them and andputting in the work and stuff.
But Ephesians in the Bible,ephesians two, eight and nine
says for it is by grace.
You have been saved throughfaith and this is not from

(41:08):
yourselves.
It is the gift of God, not byworks, so that no one can boast.
God wants us to humbleourselves before him and receive
the forgiveness that he givesus through his son, jesus Christ
.
We cannot earn our salvationbecause if we could earn our
salvation, we would boast in it.
We have to humble ourselves and, by faith, receive the grace in

(41:32):
Jesus Christ, and I thinkScientology teaches this is how
you can boast, this is how youcan get true enlightenment and
freedom and understanding is byaccomplishing these different
things.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Which is crazy because again it all kind of in
the book Dianetics at leastbased off the title is meant to
help you with your mental healthstarting out.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, yeah, I was watching an interview by a guy
that he started out inScientology and then he found
deliverance from it and now hiskind of career is the study and
exposure of cults, specificallyScientology and other cults.
But he talks about that like hewas in a dark place and he

(42:20):
found acceptance through readingthese books about Scientology
and he got plugged in withinScientology and then started you
know the path, down the pathRight To ultimately he got to.
He was like I don't know howthe deliverance came, I can't

(42:41):
remember how, how it came about,but now he's an adamant against
scientology guy.
He's like talking against it asmuch as he can and the
scientology churches come afterhim multiple times.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Geez so this might this might not be 100% accurate
to everybody or 100% applicableto everybody who's gotten out of
Scientology, no, but I feellike the problem with the people
who get out of Scientology theydon't do it because they found
Christ.
They got it out because theygot to get out and now they have
no faith in any kind ofreligion.

(43:14):
Yeah, yeah, which is really sad, and it just kind of shows how
damaging something likeScientology actually is.
It creates a bad image forChristianity, for the religion
that works, yeah, and anybodywho is stuck in it.
You know it's ruined them forlife Because, even though they

(43:35):
might have got out ofScientology, they don't have a
afterlife future because they'renot accepting Christ.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, I'd also like to note that so like to progress
through the different levels,you have to undergo sessions of
auditing, right, but it's notlike a hey, do this and then you
move on to the next thing.
Hey, do this, move on to thenext thing.
You undergo a session andwhenever your auditor says

(44:03):
you're free from whatever it is,then you get to move on to the
clear and move into the nextlevel.
So it's not even—.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
So they're not auditing you for your spiritual
benefit.
They're auditing to see howmuch money they can get out of
you.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, you don't get to get into the clear stage
which leads you into theoperating Thetan stage.
You don't get to get thereuntil an auditor has decided
that you're ready.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Which equals how much money you give.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Because each session costs money, right.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Oh, you were doing so good, but I just feel like you
aren't ready.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Cha-ching cha-ching, which I would like to
acknowledge, that scientology Ithink can kind of be.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I think people think that it's pretty big, yeah, but
worldwide roughly it's in likethe 20 to 30 000 people I think
probably at its peak when it washuge before it, didn't it huge
before it got out how wacky itactually is?
Yeah, I think that theirnumbers were significantly

(45:21):
higher, Sure, but whenever thetruth was coming out about how
they were operating and howproblematic they were like
putting people in danger andkind of torturing them in these
camps that they were puttingpeople in I think once that
knowledge got out their numbersprobably dwindled fairly quickly
.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, but it's just crazy, dude, some of the stuff
that they get into or they'remixed up in, like it's so
obvious that it's such a moneygrab.
Yeah, like I was telling youabout Operation Snow White, yeah
, Okay, are you ready for me to?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Which is what me and Ashley called us purposefully
not going to see the new SnowWhite movie.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Okay, side note on that Peter Dinklage is getting
so much flack I know Fromeveryone because he was like
don't go, don't support a moviethat is going to cast little
people only in dwarf as dwarves.
But he's like done severalmovies as a dwarf, right, and

(46:24):
then all the other little peopleare like well, we want to get
roles.
Like, why are you taking rolesaway from right?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
so, yes, it's funny because, like even in the movie
where he is still playinghimself, but he's giant he's
still referenced as a dwarf inthat movie.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Which movie was it?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Infinity War.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
I forgot he was larger, but he was still like oh
, we got to go see the dwarf andhe's massive but he's still a
dwarf, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
That's funny, I forgot about it.
I forgot he was in that.
Yeah, okay, good movie, goodmovie.
So for Scientology OperationSnow White, and please guys go
look this up, because Fordefense, not for knowledge.
Oh no, it doesn't matter whereyou're going from.
This will shine some seriouslight on what Scientology is.
But Operation Snow White is theGuardian or the GOO, which is

(47:21):
the Guardian's Office.
It's an organizationestablished by Scientology in
1966.
So the GO infiltrated the IRSand numerous other government
departments and stole tens ofthousands of documents
pertaining to the Scientologyorganization, politicians and

(47:42):
celebrities.
In July 1977, the FBI raidedChurch of Scientology premises
in Washington DC and Los Angeles, revealing the extent of the
GO's infiltration intogovernment departments and other
groups.
Eleven officials and agents ofthe church were indicted in

(48:03):
December 1979.
They were sentenced to betweenfour and five years each and
individually fined $10,000, theequivalent to $43,000 in 2024.
Among those found guilty wasHubbard's then wife, mary Sue

(48:23):
Hubbard.
Public revelation of the GO'sactivities brought widespread
condemnation of Scientologyorganization.
So there you go.
That was the turning point.
So Operation Snow White was.
The goal was to try and hidewhat they were doing from the
government by stealingdocumentation about individuals

(48:43):
within Scientology.
And in the process they put moreto pin them for, like hey you
performed the largest espionageoperation by a private

(49:07):
organization to the government,and I believe it wasn't even
just the American government.
I believe that they operated inother agencies in other
countries as well.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Is Scientology worldwide or is it it's?

Speaker 2 (49:22):
acknowledged as a religion in multiple countries
but it is not worldwide.
In fact I was listening to aninterview by a guy that like
kind of I guess he writes bookskind of exposing different
religions and cults and stuff hewas talking about.
Russia doesn't even allowthings like Scientology and

(49:43):
Mormonism and Jehovah'sWitnesses into their country
because historically, spies andsecret operatives from other
countries will use it as a cover.
They'll say, oh, I'm amissionary from other countries
will use it as a cover.
They'll say, oh, I'm amissionary, I'm just coming in
to spread whatever religion I'ma part of.

(50:04):
And they come in and then theyperform espionage in the country
.
So now religions like thataren't even allowed in Russia
and other countries solely onthat, because they assume that
they're a secret operative.
Is Christianity on that list?
I don't think that Christianityis banned from Russia, but it

(50:24):
is still kind of operating inthe communist leaning side.
So if anything, it's probablyEastern Orthodox is allowed, but
most other things probably notbut I mean Eastern Orthodox is
Christian.

(50:45):
We kind of touched on it alittle bit.
We focused on Catholicism lastweek or Roman Catholicism, but
Eastern Orthodoxy is another oneof those really big old
churches.
They've got cathedrals inRussia in several places, so
historically they've been inRussia for a long time.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
So, yeah, so when I have kids, that's what we're
going to call me Me and Ashleyare going to call the hiding of
Christmas presents operationsnow white.
You know, just making sure thatwe're hiding all the evidence,
yeah, that's good for christmas,and just they're not going to
know.
You know what are y'all doing?
Operation snow white, yeahthat's funny.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
And then another thing we talked about was the
sea organization under thescientology.
So scientology has a bunch ofdifferent organizations under
the Scientology organizationUnder the Scientology umbrella.
Yes, but it's called theScientology organization and

(51:50):
then it's got other things likethe Guardian's Office
organization or the, so theyhave the Church of Scientology
and then the.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
what you said.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, yeah, and then different sub-things.
So there's one called SeaOrganization or Sea Org and it's
their own, private, essentiallymilitary, or they called it a
Navy different members like it's.

(52:23):
It has a membership inside ofit.
So you have to reach a certainclass level in scientology to be
able to be eligible for c organd they treat it like a
military.
So there's different ranks andstuff inside it.
The number one, the, I guess,over all Scientology, but
specifically the Sea Org, isDavid Miscavige I don't know how

(52:48):
to pronounce his last name.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
It's okay.
If you listened to last week'sepisode, I couldn't say
Protestants, protestants, yeah,yeah, see, I still can't do it.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah, yeah, see, I still can't do it.
Yeah, but when Hubbard passed,I guess they don't acknowledge
that he passed, when heliberated, or whatever they call
him.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Of course, because he's their quote-unquote Messiah
, he didn't die, he's comingback.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, heresurrected.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, yeah, but right now it's.
David is the leader of thechurch, but his rank inside Sea
Org is captain, because thehighest rank that can be
obtained in Sea Org is Commodore, and they're reserving that for
when Hubbard returns, so thatHubbard can reclaim his position
.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
So it's just what if he OK, let's say hypothetically,
this is real, which is not hecomes back?
He's like I don't even likeboats.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, that'd be funny .
Actually he does, because hecreated Sea Org as his own
private navy, Okay so this wascreated before he died.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
So do you want to talk aboutthe famous people that are in
Scientology?
Let's do it.
Want to talk about the famouspeople that are in Scientology?
Let's do it.
So I have a list of them, butI'm going to name off just the
three that I recognize.
And then if you want to look atthe others, we can, okay, but we
have.
We'll go down from least famousto most famous on my three list

(54:16):
.
Three person list Okay, do youknow who Dannyy masterson is?
That sounds familiar.
He is hide on that 70 show.
Oh, he was also on like thatshow, the ranch, I believe yeah,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
So he's a part of scientology great yeah, until he
got arrested for.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Oh yeah, terrible crimes that we won't talk about,
yeah yeah.
Number two on my list, countingdown from three to one, john
Travolta, is a Scientologist.
Oh, john Travolta.
John, I wish you had a soundbite.
It's just like got to give itup.

(54:59):
Give up Scientology now.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, I don't have anything close, all I've got is
this?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Here's Johnny.
Oh, because his name's John.
Doesn't your mother-in-law loveJohn Travolta, or she loves
Grease?

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, I think it's more of she enjoys Grease and
that John Travolta was in, thatshe doesn't get into the niche
of where the people stand today.
Yeah, she's caught in thenostalgia of the past.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Gotcha, I feel that, I feel that, yeah, she does like
John.
Travolta yeah she does likeJohn Travolta.
Yeah, she does like JohnTravolta.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Do you want to talk about number one?
Who do you think number one ison this list?
Well, on my three-tier list ofcounting down three, two, one.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I feel like I could be wrong now, but I feel like
it's Tom Cruise.
It's Tom Cruise, okay.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
All right, so Mr Impossible himself, mr
Impossible, I think that he isthe largest advocate for them.
Yeah, and it's like they haveto get famous people, because
that's where the money's at.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, he is a pretty big name.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
He is a big name, his height of insanity.
I think it's gotten better, butthat do you remember?
Like I think they made fun ofit on scary movie.
One of the scary movies but itwas john travolta was on oprah
freaking out about scientologyand jumping on the couch and
getting super excited.
Yeah, yeah, and they parodiedon like scary movie four, I

(56:38):
think, or something like that.
But yes, yes but but that's partof that.
She's like so, tell us aboutScientology.
And he's like going berserk,jumping on the couch, getting
super excited about it, I guessbecause he was trained to do so.
You know like you got topromote it.
You're our big face of thereligion, you know that kind of

(56:58):
thing.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
But you know, yeah, I don't agree with it, but I will
go see Mission Impossible,whatever the Dead Reckoning Part
2 or whatever it's called.
Whose movie is that what, thenew Mission Impossible on our
list?
Oh, I think it's Ashley's right?
Yeah, I think Ashley got it,it's not mine, so we won't go
see it.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
According to this AI search, Tom Cruise is a Thetan
level 8 or an OT level 8.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Jeez, I guess he's not rich enough to get up to 15.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Well, I think that that's the highest operating
tier.
I don't think anybody's thathigh yet.
What Is?

Speaker 1 (57:40):
the idea oh, they've come up with the tiers, but no
one's ever reached it.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
There's a very tight niche.
They get to be auditors.
But as far as the overallreligion, most people are
operating thetans I don't thinkanyone has ascended to a auditor
.
I could be wrong, but there hasto be auditors.
It's the only way to level up.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
You're lower level people, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
With an honor.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
So do you want to make a quick little comparison
here of what's wrong and what'sright?
Let's do it.
So we're going to compareScientology to Christianity in a
quick little back and forth.
So the founder of Scientologyis L Ron Hubbard yes, the
founder it's labeled founder butthe founder of Christianity is
not Jesus Christ, Not in the sonform, but in the father form, I

(58:33):
mean.
I mean that is interesting,right.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Jesus did find it is the founder.
Because Jesus does say to PeterI will build my church on this
rock.
And so yeah, jesus founds thechurch.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, yeah, okay, but here's the deal, people.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
We get into the triune God niche a little too
much.
We get into the triune Godniche a little too much, like to
say Christ does.
It does not exclude God, theFather, from doing it.
I see, like the only exclusionis the crucifixion, because
Christ lays down his deificationto become the epitome of sin on

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the cross for us.
Okay, to become the epitome ofsin on the cross for us, but
when it comes to the operationof all things and the
fulfillment of all things, it isthe Father, son and Spirit
operating as a triune God tofulfill what they have ordained
will happen.
So, yes, god the Father, godthe Son and God the Spirit all

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founded the church.
So yeah, you don't need toexclude one or the other.
Okay, cool, it is my opinion,so I'd love to hear other people
try to prove me wrong.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
In the comments section below In the comments
section.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, it's Ashley.
Ashley has Missions Impossiblethe Final Reckoning.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Okay, it's her movie.
For the movie draft.
If you don't know what we'retalking about, we did a movie
draft as a bonus episode.
Go back and watch that orlisten to that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I'm slaughtering you guys.
Okay, hold on, I'm not going togive the update, I'm just
letting you know I'mslaughtering you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Tune in next week for the official update.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yes, Tune in next week for the official update
Episode 38.
Episode 38.
You will hear where we allstand officially, officially.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
So the view of God in Scientology is abstract or
impersonal and on Christianity,it's a personal, loving triune.
God, the human nature, thetanstrapped by trauma and then, for
us in Christianity, created inGod's image, fallen by sin.
Yes, yes, yes.

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Salvation for them is earnedthrough auditing and knowledge.
For us, it's a gift from Godthrough grace and faith, by
grace, through faith.
Yes, their scripture isDianetics Diacrapis.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Diapupis, diapupis, boom got them, mm-hmm.
And then that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I punched them one time.
It's over Episode's over.
Scientology is dead.
No, our scripture is the HolyBible.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yes, the Holy Word of God.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Written by multiple people inspired by God.
Yes, not some science fictionnovel written by some crazy guy
in the 50s.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yes, the Protestants have the 66 books written by
multiple authors over severalhundred years, in three
different languages, and it allcomes together and agrees on a
singular story, which is thestory of redemption of mankind.
So the reason I point outspecifically Protestant is

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because the Roman Catholic Bibledoes have a couple extra things
in there, but the ProtestantBible does not hold to, does not
have the Apocrypha within itsscripture, which is what the
Catholic Bible has Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
So their access to the truth of their religion is
hidden, is costly and it'srestricted.
For us, christianity is freelyavailable to all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
That was just for Janelle right there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
There you go, janelle , that was free, available to
all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Hey Charlie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Oh no, Keep pressing it, Keep pressing it.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, Charlie, ohno, Keep pressing it, Keep
pressing it.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, Charlie,Charlie.
So you know like we're going tokind of start winding down here
at the end of the episode.
But you know guys, salvation isfree.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
The price has already been paid.
Salvation is free, the pricehas already been paid.
So you know we use the termfree a lot in Protestant, in the
Protestant sect.
But that's just because it's aneasy delivery system.
It's not free, it's just theprice has already been paid by
Christ.

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So it's free for you.
But God paid the price Right.
It's not that salvation is freein general, like it's not a free
thing to have.
Someone has to pay for it.
Salvation is free for you now.
Yes, it has been made availableto you without any work or
payment for it, by the work ofGod, and that's why it's such an

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important thing to understandthat it's only by God's grace,
through your faith, that you'resaved.
It doesn't work any other way.
Like we were talking aboutearlier in Ephesians, god
doesn't want you to boast.
He wants you to celebrate inthe fact that you're free now,
but he doesn't want you to thinkthat you can boast in the fact

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that you earned your salvation.
So it's intentionally set up towhere you can only receive the
completed work in Christ throughfaith.
And yes, it is free in thesense of that that the price has
already been paid on yourbehalf, that the price has
already been paid on your behalf.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Ephesians 2, verses 8 and 9 say For it is by grace
you have been saved throughfaith, and this is not from
yourselves, it is a gift of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
God.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Yeah, that was the verse I used earlier.
Here we are reiterating itbecause it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I mean it explains so well what salvation is.
It is an act of grace that isreceived by faith, so that you
may not boast in anything butjust rejoice in the fact that
you've been saved.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
God is knowable.
God is knowable, yeah.
Unlike Scientology's vaguespiritualism, christianity
teaches that God is personal anddesires a relationship with us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah which I'd like to acknowledge that
Scientology's elevator pitch ishey, you don't have to get stuck
in the dogmatic religions offaith based whatever.
You can practice the differentsteps of Scientology that are

(01:05:29):
attainable to you through actionand see how they work for your
benefit yourself.
You don't have to just live outrandom things by faith and
trust that hopefully it'll workout.
That's what they're pitching toyou is, hey, you will attain
what you're looking for throughScientology by completing the
different steps.
That's the pitch, which soundsvery enticing.

(01:05:50):
You know, like I don't have to.
I don't have to just trust thatit's going to work out.
I can actually tangibly achieve.
It Sounds great, Right?
The reality is you can becomeTom Cruise and spend thousands,
tens of thousands of dollars tobecome a level eight operating
thetan and not even reachauditor, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
And you are practically the face of this
religion at this point, andyou're not even one of the
highest levels, exactly Becauseyou have, as Tom cruz, have not
given enough yeah, the auditorhas decided that you have not
gone through enough sessions tobe clear, right or no?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
no, no, you are clear because you're an operating
right.
Sorry, I'm lost in all the it's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
So it's so it's too much, it's like it's not.
It's that all I can say.
And to close, my three pointsout Jesus Christ is not a
forgotten figure.
He is the son of God, the onlypath to salvation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Amen.
I agree with that 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
There you go.
We haven't said that in a while, 100% 100%.
So yeah, that's the poopology,bill Nye, the Science.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Guy, that's what it is.
I don't know if Bill Nye isactually affiliated with
Scientology.
Just so we're clear.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
It's so funny because it's supposedly based in
science, but it's not in any wayshape or form, not remotely
people.
People assume that scientologyis like a science religion.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Yeah, because it's in the name, but it's really not
no, I think hubbard claims thathe found this process and
everything that he put togetherthrough observation and
experimentation.
I, I think, is his claims.
Whether or not he actually didthat is up in the air, or I

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think some people have disprovedit or whatever, through
analysis.
But the point is, is it soundsvery official?
Scientology sounds very puttogether, yeah, fact based.
But it's not.
It's.
It's just, it's too much stuffall over the place to make you
think like hey, all these thingsmean something and the only way

(01:08:07):
to figure out what they mean isby getting to the next level
and really none.
Of it means anything no, itdoesn't, it means nothing it
means that, that you're stuck ina cult.
You're going to keep on sayingthis is the last Mission
Impossible for the rest of yourlife.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah, I mean, that is a great, great comparison.
You keep saying this is thelast one, this is the last one
and we'll get that big,satisfying ending.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
And you'll never get it, and you'll never get it, and
you'll never get it.
So thank you everybody forjoining us on this really great
episode 37 of the Saints thatServe podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Yes, and if you want to hear our opinion on any other
cult?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
let us know yeah, tune in next week.
We got another one coming.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
We got another one in the chamber.
Right Chamber, another one inthe we're going to shoot you
with in the, we're going toshoot you with another cult,
we're going to shoot you withanother cult Jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Oh man, we got to stop.
We got to stop.
Oh boy, All right.
So Christ is Lord and thekingdom is now.
We are the Saints that Serve.
Do you want a sailboat?

(01:09:47):
Do I want a sailboat?
I want a sailboat, 19 footsailboat, 1980s.
How much do you think it'sworth?
Is this a fume, a secret fumeat the end of the episode?
Sure, yeah, okay, uh, do you?
think a 19 foot sailboat is onfacebook marketplace would I be
going clear if I, if I boughtthis boat?
Would you be going clear?
Yeah, what does clear mean?
It's that one of the tiers ofscientology.
Oh, oh, would you be?
Uh, would I be able to go clearwith this money?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
yes, yeah, okay, twenty thousand dollars free
this boat is christianity, ain'tno Scientology sailboat.
But I do need you to know.
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