Episode 44 - Christianity Vs. Mormonism

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⛪ Jesus, Joseph Smith & Bigfoot? Christianity vs. Mormonism Explained

What do Mormons really believe - and how does it differ from traditional Christianity? In this episode, Jonny and Jarus unpack the surprising doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, from their view of Jesus as a “spirit child” to the belief that humans can become gods.

They break down key theological differences between Mormonism and Christianity, including salvation by grace vs. works, the nature of God, and the role of the Trinity. It’s not just about terminology - it’s about two completely different belief systems with very different views on heaven, humanity, and eternity.

The episode also dives into the origins of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith’s controversial visions, and a wild claim that Bigfoot might be… Cain? Yep. That Cain.

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I just want to say to that one lady who is in England
who made that TikTok about how.
England heat is like no otherheat or whatever dude.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
And she's like she says, yeah, it's 32 Celsius.
And you look it up and it like75 degrees, 75 degrees.
It's like I'd love to have 75degrees right now.
That's fall weather here.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Yeah, it's been averaging 96,98 in the middle of the day here
in Georgia, and then thehumidity is always 60 and above,
so it has been quite scorching.
Also by the way, just so y'allknow, I know that 32 degrees

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Celsius is not 75.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
No, we're Americans, we don't care enough to know the
exact yeah, we're wrong andwe're not going to be right
about it because we don't careabout the Celsius.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, we don't care about the metric Metric.
What is that?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Imperial all the way.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But to all of our European friends, trick.
What is that?
Imperial?
All the way.
But to all of our Europeanfriends, thank you for listening
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Yeah, we love you.
Sorry we can't translate itover for you, but I'm sure you
know.
Just so you guys know, it is 7o'clock at night here and it is
92 degrees outside Gosh.
So actually this is for.

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I don't know why it's forDallas, texas, it's probably
even hotter.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Hold on, you think it's hotter here now than Texas?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's hotter here than it is in Honolulu.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Hawaii.
We are currently on the surfaceof the sun.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
It is insane Nope, never mind.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Dallas, texas is hotter by how much?
Five degrees Gotcha.
It's 87 degrees right now, andwhat is that in Celsius?

Speaker 2 (03:53):
We don't care, got them, just take a high number
yeah boy.
Oh sorry.

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Okay, we don't want to becopyrighted by my own.
Okay, we don't want to becopyrighted by Soldier Boy.

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Ew, yeah, that wouldn't be good, anyways, but
yeah, so it's hot, but that'sokay, because we're going to
keep on recording regardless.

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You know what else is hot?
This podcast episode's topic,that's right, but before we get
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So that's all I got for announcements.
Are you ready to get into thetopic for tonight?
Heck yeah, all right, we aregoing to be talking about the
Mormon church.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I love how you have Catholic sound.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I realize that's Gregorian chanting, but I didn't
have enough time to try andfind a Mormon.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Mormon chanting.
Mormon chanting.
Whatever that is, it isCatholic.
No, geez, not Catholic.
I don't even like in my mindthe way it was going.
It's Pause for effect.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I'm trying to remember what the word is.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I'd even felt like in my mind the way it was going.
It's pause for effect.
I'm trying to remember what theword is.
It's not Christianity, butMormonism, it's a cult.
No, the word for Christianitythat you get mad for me not
using.
Oh, protestant, thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Christian Catholics are Christian too.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Through Christianity.
Jeez, that's going in thebloopers.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
No, the Protestants versus Mormonism, there we go.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah.
Or you could just say the truegospel versus the fake gospel,
right Right Truth versus falseFalsehoods.
But yeah, we call them Mormons,but-.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
We also call it a cult.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, we also call it a cult, but they call themselves
the Church of Jesus Christ ofLatter-day Saints.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
So until I did my research for this podcast, I
didn't realize that Mormonism inthe Church of the Latter-day
Saints was the same thing.
I thought that was somethingdifferent.
Ldsers LDSers.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, they are Mormons For a while there.
I don't know if they're stillreally doing it, but for a while
there they were trying todistance themselves from the
term Mormon.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Oh yeah, Because they got a bad name for themselves.
On it.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I guess, yeah, they wanted to refute because
everyone was calling them a cult.
I guess they were like, no,we're the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Saints, even though you don't believe what Jesus
represents.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
They don't know, they don't believe in what Jesus
says about himself truly at itsessence, because they believe
that everyone can become likeJesus for their own universe.
That's the epitome of theirdoctrine We'll get into it.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, big brother, jesus, I believe, is what they
call them.
Yeah, all he'll miss is it'scrazy.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, and I don't know if they, because, like
Jehovah Witnesses, they make thedistinction that Jesus is the
Son of God, but Jesus is not Godthe Father.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, God the Son.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
They are two separate beings, whereas you know, the
rest of the church says thatJesus and the Father and the
Spirit are all one being withthree different persons.
So Jehovah's Witnesses do notbelieve in Trinitarianism, and I

(08:35):
don't think that Mormons doeither.
I don't think that they hold tothe Trinity.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
So you want to get into this, let's get into it,
all right, for the sake of mylack of being able to pronounce
certain words for thisparticular episode, we will be
referencing Protestants asChristianity Okay, and Mormonism
as LDS no problem, even thoughI can say Mormonism.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I will say that if you go and type in the Mormonism
in the Wikipediaorg, it'sheader for it.
It's the theology and religioustradition of the Latter-day
Saint movement of restorationistChristianity started by Joseph
Smith Dum, dum, dum, dum dum.
So Joseph Smith is the founderof the Church of Latter-day

(09:25):
Saints and I think the argumentis that he was trying to.
I think one of the arguments hewas trying to make was making
the true church of Jesus Christ,because all the other churches
are corrupt.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
So I wouldn't normally recommend somebody go
watch something from South Parkon any other occasion but this,
but search on YouTube JosephSmith, south Park and watch that
it's.
It's pretty funny.
Yeah, I showed it to John rightbefore we started recording.

(10:04):
It's pretty funny.
But yeah, yeah, I showed it toJohn right before we started
recording.
Yeah, it's pretty funny.
It's pretty funny.
But yeah, christianity it beganin the first century AD.
You know why, I guess.
Technically, when didChristianity really start?
When you look at it from thepoint of view of Jesus, does it

(10:25):
start when Jesus started hisministry, when he was born,
after the death?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I mean, technically you'd have to say the
resurrection, because that'swhen all things were completed.
Okay, so you think that that'swhen it started.
Well, the Holy Spirit didn'tcome until Pentecost, after
Christ goes up into heaven.
But the idea of Christ'satonement for sin because that's
the big thing with Christianity, that's what sets us apart from
Judaism is the Old Testamentsacrificial law system is

(10:55):
fulfilled in Christ's death,burial, resurrection.
Okay.
And so the idea of you are asinner.
No one is perfect, no one cancome to the Father because they
are all imperfect and in sin.
So Christ pays the price forour sin, so that we can be

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forgiven, so that we can comebefore the Father.
That doesn't happen untilChrist dies as the atoning
sacrifice and then isresurrected, and then he comes
back.
And that's where Christianityhinges on.
If Christ just died and did notcome back to life, it means
nothing.
He would just be a moralteacher that passed away, right,

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but because he rose from thedead.
That's what started theChristian movement.
This man who claimed to be Godis God.
Christian movement is.
This man who claimed to be Godis God.
And now he's calling allsinners to repentance through
his perfect sacrifice.
So that's when, I would sayChristianity starts is when
Christ fulfills what he needs tofulfill.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
So, when we're talking about the founding of
because we'll be comparing thetwo, this whole episode Yep.
Christianity began in the firstcentury AD, centered on the
teachings, death andresurrection of Jesus of
Nazareth.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Jesus of Nazareth no-transcript.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum.
The key founders, of courseChristianity, is Jesus, that's
right, the divine founder, withearly leadership from the
apostles Peter Paul, youunderstand, correct?
Then key founders for Mormonismis who?
Joseph Smith?
Joseph Smith who claimed divinevisions, including one from God

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, the Father and Jesus, becauseapparently those are separate
for some reason.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, that's where it's gray for me, brit, for some
reason.
Yeah, that's where.
That's where it's gray for meis.
Is it like jesus shows up inphysical form and then later he
has a vision from the father andhe's just like he?
He doesn't distinguish betweenthe two, like he still
acknowledges that they're thesame.
They're just different personsof this singular god.
Or is he he saying that Jesusis a different person from the

(13:25):
Father?
That's where it's shady for me.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Right and I have it in my notes somewhere.
So their views on Jesus rightand we'll get, let's get into
that.
So for us right yes, jesus isfully God and fully man.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
The eternal second person of the Trinity.
He is the savior of humanity,born of a virgin, lived a
sinless life, died on the crossand rose from the dead.
Yes, mormons believe LDS.
Jesus is the first born spiritchild of God, the Father, and a
heavenly mother.
Yeah, he is divine, butseparate from the father.

(14:05):
Dum dum dum, dum dum.
He became the savior throughobedience and example and he's
referred to as our elder brother.
Yeah, ew, sorry, I bumped themic.
You're good, so it's just likeit's.
It's crazy, dude, because it's.

(14:25):
It's the same thing that wetalk about when we talk about
scientology.
It is a human person comingforth saying I saw these things
great, where's your proof?
It's in my head, just believeme, follow me.
Yeah, and that he makes himselfthe figurehead of his newfound

(14:46):
religion.
You know, and I guess theproblem with this is that
Scientology is obviously basedin science fiction.
L Ron Hubbard was a sciencefiction writer, and so none of
this stuff is based in reality,correct?
I see the a huge problem withmormonism is it's basing itself

(15:11):
in truth but warping that truth.
It's we, we believe in god,right, uh, but then it's and?
And yeah, we believe in jesus.
And then you have the weirdthing like now they're separated
and then God had a wife inheaven.
You know what I mean, and it'sew.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
So yeah, Joseph Smith claims to have visions and
claims that an angel comes tohim.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
A Native American angel.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, and gives him an ancient text for him to
interpret, and that's the Bookof Mormon, which is a prophecy.
And I would like to acknowledgethat the Book of Mormon brings
a different gospel than what youfind in the Bible, and so,
thankfully, god's Word istimeless and true and has

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everything that we need to beequipped for learning, for
correction, for growth.
So if you go to the book ofGalatians, chapter 1, verse 8,
it says but even if we or anangel from heaven should preach
to you a gospel writing to theGalatians, this is the first

(16:38):
generation church, right Alreadyhaving issues with different
gospels being brought forth, andeven gives that example.
Even if an angel comes forthand tells it to you, he is wrong
.
If there's an altercation fromthe original gospel that you
were given, that you believed inand you were saved under, if

(17:00):
someone brings somethingdifferent, even if it's us or an
angel from heaven, let thatindividual be accursed.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's crazy how specific that is opposing LDS.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, and that's the thing, dude is.
There's like I know we're nottalking about Jehovah's
Witnesses yet, but like there'sa verse that's in John and it
explicitly says that Jesus isGod.
Right, maybe not explicitly,maybe I'm using that word wrong,

(17:35):
but you don't have to read like, you don't have to read into it
too hard.
It's very clear that it'ssaying that Jesus is God, not
the son of God, not a separatebeing.
It's saying that Jesus is God.
Every Bible translationtranslates it that way, except

(17:55):
the Jehovah's Witness Bible.
It says that Jesus is a God,not the God.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Not the God.
Here it is.
I'm sorry, I was lookingthrough my notes.
It's funny that you say thatyou're reading Scripture from
the Bible and it's disprovingimmediately Mormonism.
And it's disproving immediatelyMormonism Because when we're

(18:38):
talking about the scripture ofChristianity or LDS, for
Christianity it's the Bible.
It's composed of the OldTestament.
The New Testament is consideredcomplete and inspired by God
Testament.
The New Testament is consideredcomplete and inspired by God,
and Protestants, catholics andOrthodox Christians differ
slightly on canon but agree onits central authority Correct.
When I read this for LDS itkind of surprised me and it's

(18:58):
going to pose a question in asecond.
But as LDS members revere fourscriptures, they revere the
Bible, king James Version, theBook of Mormon, doctrine and
Covenants, modern Revelationsand something called Pearl of

(19:21):
Great Price, which apparentlyaccrues writings of Abraham,
moses and Joseph Smith.
So they have all thesedifferent scriptures but one of
them, the King James Version ofthe Bible, which is just a
different translation of theBible compared to NIV or
whatever, has writings thatoppose what they believe.

(19:43):
Yeah, so I find it interestingthat this is saying that they
read the Bible, but what do theyjust write?
That cross that out when theygo through it.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I know a lot of people dothat nowadays within
Christianity, like where theypick and choose.
But that's just somebodypicking and choosing not to

(20:07):
acknowledge that, to ignore that.
But when you base your wholereligion, I mean it's a whole
religion.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, I would even make the outlandish, or maybe
not.
No, it's not outlandish.
I would make the radicalstatement that if you pick and
choose scripture and you don'thold to all of it, that you're
not truly following Christ.
Right, because Christ makes thepoint that this is God's word
and it's there for us to knowwhat we believe and to hold to

(20:39):
what we believe and so to say,like, well, I like what this
says, but I don't like what thissays.
So I'm going to hold to thestuff I like and just not ignore
the stuff I don't like.
That's humanism.
That's what's crept intodifferent denominations in
America and in Europe.
And now they're doing very,very outlandish things that are

(21:04):
anti what Christ taught and antiwhat God taught about
repentance of sin and abiding inthe kingdom of God, not the
kingdom of the world.
Because you've got now you'vegot LGBTQ pastors and they're
like no, you're not in sin ifyou practice the LGBTQ stuff.

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Jesus loves you, regardless ofwho you are or what you've done
or what you're doing, and he'sgoing to love you and just
receive that free love.
And it's like yes, you'respeaking a truth, god loves
humanity but you're withholdingthe full truth, so you're giving
a half truth.
Who did that?

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First, satan, in the garden.
He comes to Eve and he says whydon't you eat the fruit?
And she's like, well, god saidnot to eat or even touch it or
we would die.
And then he's like, well, I atethe fruit and I'm not dead,
look at me.
And so she saw it was good toeat and she ate.

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And then she gave it to herhusband and he ate.
And now here they are and we'reall naked.
And now we're all naked andashamed.
But you see, that's what I'msaying, is the dialogue it goes
into.
Satan appears and he gives herhalf truths.
And he does that again in theNew Testament when he comes into
the wilderness to tempt Christ.

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He speaks scripture to Jesusand he gives half-truth and
Jesus rebukes that withscripture Right.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
And I guess that goes back to kind of my statement I
made when we first startedtalking was it is, it's based
within reality.
But then they change thingsslightly.
So you know, if I came up andlied to you, you would be more
likely to believe something if Isprinkled in truth within that

(22:58):
lie.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
I suppose so.
Yes, I suppose so.
Not Jesus in the wilderness,because he's Jesus and he
immediately rebuttals with thetruth.
Yeah, but you know, it's justan ancient tactic of if you're
going to lie to somebody, you'regoing to sprinkle truth into it
to make your lie believable.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, I think that Satan gives half-truths and he
lies.
He is the father of lies, he'sthe great deceiver.
But the idea is, if I canconvince these people that this
is truth, then they're going tooperate in that ignorance, and
so it's not even that someone'slike.
Well, I know that this is a lie, but I'm going to say it
anyways.
You know, that's notnecessarily the case.

(23:49):
We can't always take thatstance.
I think that a lot of peoplethat are in the Mormon church,
they're coming from a place ofignorance, like they believe
that this is truth, but it's notthe truth.
But where they're coming fromis it is Mm-hmm, so they stand

(24:10):
by it.
But the problem is they, if yourefute them with Scripture,
which is very easy to do theydon't have a good rebuttal and
they're trained to just comeback to the church and then seek
answers there, yeah, yeah.

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They're not like.
So people get.
They get into Mormons, will getin debates with like good,
god-fearing Christians and thentheir entire paradigm will break
down and then they'll startquestioning and then they'll
leave the church sometimes I'mnot saying that or they'll shut
down the debate and just walkaway from it, or just walk away.

(24:53):
Yeah, so I'm sure that maybethere are some Mormons out there
who are able to win debates.
I haven't seen it yet, but II'm sure it's there.
But let's get into some of thestuff they believe.
So I've got an article, well,just a little snippet that talks
about what they believe when itcomes to the divinity or the

(25:16):
god.
You know god.
So it's basically they believein what they call the council of
the three distinct divinepersons.
So there's God the Father, godthe Son, god the Holy Ghost.
God the Father and God the Sonhave perfected physical holy

(25:38):
bodies, and God the Holy Ghostis a spirit who does not have a
perfect body.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
And again, let's be clear this is what mormonism,
this is what we mormons believe.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
They believe in three distinct beings but they don't
believe that they're the divinecouncil of three, and they also
believe in lower gods, lowercaseg gods, such as the, what we

(26:13):
already talked about, the.
What do they call her?
The Heavenly.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Mother.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Heavenly Mother, heavenly Mother who married God,
the Father, and then all of theLatter-day Saints who attained
godhood in their afterlife.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
So we're already getting a good old-fashioned
pantheon here.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, it really is kind of.
In a sense it's polytheism, butat the same time, it's not
because they're not worshipingthe other gods, they just exist.
They're saying that if you're apart of the latter-day saints,
this is the path to godhood.
So if you want to become a god,you've got to go through,

(26:53):
you've got to become holy in thelds church, yeah, and then when
you die, you will let's, let'stake it from Scientologists you
will awaken the God within you.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
So another thing about not how do I humble myself
, but how do I make myselfgreater.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, it's a earning system just like in Islam.
Right, it's what you do in thislife determines your outcome in
the next life.
Not your acceptance of Christ,but your action, yeah, not your
repentance and humility beforeChrist, Because Christ's already
done all the work.
It's on us to receive the gracethat's already there and to

(27:37):
just and then.
And this is okay.
So I think some people inChristianity they do a little
bit of grace abuse where it'slike, well, if Christ has
already done all the work, whydo I need to change anything?
Why don't I need to do anything?
Good, the price is already paid.

(27:58):
Yeah, if the price is alreadypaid, why can't I just continue
to receive that grace and justbe in it and do whatever I want
and do whatever I want, Right?
But what Christ teaches is youare forgiven and the only way to
the Father is through me.
So you have to be a part of me.
So to do that, we receive thegrace that's only found in Jesus

(28:20):
.
We repent of our sins and wecome before him.
And now that we are saved, itmotivates us to do good, acts of
good.
Not we have to do acts of goodto be saved, Because we are
saved, we are motivated to doacts of good.
So that's the big thing withChristianity If you're not

(28:42):
motivated to do good, then Iwould question your salvation,
because the Holy Spirit willwork through you and on you and
make you, and because of thatworking of the Holy Spirit, for
what we in Christianity callsanctification.
It will give you a desire, a newheart, and it will give you a

(29:03):
desire to want to serve othersand love others and do good
things.
And it's not from a place of Ihave to do this so that I can be
saved.
It's a.
Because I am saved, I get to dothis kind of mentality, Whereas
in the LDS church I have to dothese things in order for me to

(29:25):
be saved.
If you had to do it in the mostsimplest way, that's how I
would label it.
Lds believe that you have to dothese things in order to become
a God in the afterlife.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Actions gain your salvation versus your salvation
brings better actions Correct.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
So let's get into Joseph Smith.
I was going to say how do we doit?
What all do we want to get into?
I mean, we can do a quicklittle.
So this guy, joseph Smith, whatis it?
He's walking in the woods andhe claims to have had a vision

(30:12):
from a Native American angel,and this angel showed him the
location of these tablets thathad prophecy on them.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
But only he can read them.
It's though there was a chestthat had several holy relics in
it, and, yeah, one of them wasgolden tablets that had a
prophecy on it, and he was theonly one who could translate it,
and he translated.
What we have is the book ofmormon from those tablets but
only he can read it, Only he canread.
And nobody found the tablets andhe never passed them on to

(30:46):
anyone because they had to get.
I think that the idea is thatthey had to go back up to heaven
or something like that.
I could be wrong on that, butDum-dum-dum-dum-dum.
Yeah, but I mean when you lookat it.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Essentially, it's like had any excuse to not be
able to give proof.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, it really comes across as like I'm starting
this religion for my ownpurposes and I'm coming from a
place of authority and you can'treally challenge it, because
you can't prove that I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
You can't access that .

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I'm wrong, can't access the evidence.
Yeah, so it's one of thosethings where it's like I can't
prove that I'm right, but youcan't prove that I'm wrong,
right Kind of deal, even thoughyou could.
Because it's like, well,they're not here.
It's like, oh well, that'sbecause they went back to heaven
.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Right.
Oh, there's always an answer tonot provide proof.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
So, yeah, one thing I did want to bring up.
Okay, so you know he's known towrite the Book of Mormon, right
, it's the divine prophecy givento him.
There's this book.
I personally have not read it,so I can't say one way or the
other how great it is.
But I'm just going to read toyou, like an overview of the

(32:06):
book Was the Book of Mormongiven to Joseph Smith by an
angel or created from a work offiction?
The second one who was SolomonSpalding and did he have a
connection with Joseph Smith?
Who was Solomon Spalding anddid he have a connection with
Joseph Smith?
This book critically examineskey historical documents,

(32:26):
personal testimonies and recordsof 19th century Mormon history,
concluding that the Book ofMormon is an adaptation of an
obscure historical novel writtenby Revolutionary War veteran
Solomon Spalding during the Warof 1812.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
The book is called.
Who Really Wrote the Book ofMormon?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
So this book came out before Joseph Smith wrote a
book and it's like a historicalnovel.
And what they're alleging isthat Joseph Smith pretty much
stole this book and made it theBook of Mormon and used it as
the Book of Mormon, as theprophecy that God gave him.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
So not only is he a liar, he's a thief.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
There's one more little bit about this, but it
says in 12 chapters, the authorslay out the evidence for the
assertion that Sidney Rigdon,oliver Cottery and Joseph Smith
Jr adapted and embellished theSpalding manuscript to create
the Book of Mormon.
Although based on publicrecords and solid research, the

(33:48):
book reads like investigativehistory, demonstrating that
Mormon claims to thesupernatural revelation and
transcription of the Book ofMormon are fraudulent.
So, like I said, I have notread this book.
However, it is out there and Ifound this on Amazon.

(34:13):
There's only one left for thisparticular seller, but I was
told about this book a decadeago.
No, even longer than that,probably, but I was sitting on
an book a decade ago.
No, even longer than thatprobably, but I was sitting on
an airplane flight with a guyand he was giving me his
testimony.
Awesome, this guy wasn't abeliever.
He basically like was somethingwas going on in his life.

(34:36):
He was down by a river orsomething and it was in a van.
One thing after anotherhappened.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
No, One thing after another happened.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
He basically broke his back and he was in a really
isolated place and there's onlyone or two other people with him
and it was one of those thingswhere it's like I'm going to die
here on the side of thisriverbank unless God shows up.
And so I can't remember if heprayed or the person with him
prayed and he was healed on thespot.

(35:06):
So his broken back was healedand came back into alignment and
he got saved and he dedicatedhis life to serving the Lord and
loving Christ.
But in that he got intoresearch on how to combat
Mormonism and everything and hefound this book called the, who
really wrote the book of Mormon,the Spalding Enigma, and he was

(35:29):
telling me about this book andhe was like listen, the LDS
church hates this book.
They've been buying up copiesand trying to get them off the
bookshelves so that people can'tfind it.
So it's only a matter of timebefore you can't find this book
anymore.
So I mean, here we are, adecade later and I was able to

(35:51):
find it, but it's not a newprint.
This is definitely a resell.
Someone had this and isreselling it.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Hey, quick Marketplace Madness.
How much is that book?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
It is on Amazon for $15.36.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Oh, that's not bad, not too bad.
Don't let the Mormons know.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Like I said, it says for this particular seller,
there's only one left in stock.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Sure, there you go.
Sure, there you go.
So I want to cue you up for anice home run.
Okay, so bear with me as I tryto get this question out
properly In the proper sense.
In the proper sense, oh yeah.
So we're looking atChristianity, we're looking at

(36:42):
Mormonism, right, yes, and we'recomparing the two, correct?
So you have things that arecommon ground between the two.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
What is the true problem with Mormonism and why
shouldn't somebody be a part ofthe Mormon church?
When you have, you know,because within, looking at it,
it's their viewpoints, you know?
Oh, they're good people.
You know what I mean.
Like they both teach you knowproper how to be decent people.

(37:15):
You know just normal moralcommon sense lessons.
They kind of go through thesame stuff, right, moral common
sense lessons.
They kind of go through thesame stuff.
Right, they do teach out of theBible, the King James Version,
but they don't give you the fulltruth, obviously.
So what is the problem with it?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
One thing it's not the main issue, like at the core
of it, the essence of it, butone thing is every couple of
years the leadership of the LDSchurch has to change the
fundamental doctrines of thechurch.
Either things get outdated andthey don't make sense anymore

(37:58):
for what they claim, or they'rejust not acceptable anymore and
so it's pushed off, kind of deal.
So that's one thing is thatbasically the goalpost keeps on
getting moved in their coredoctrine, their theology.
But the biggest thing is thatthey take a different stance on

(38:23):
salvation.
What it is to be saved is, youknow, part of it is Christ, but
part of it's you, and what youdo in this life determines if
you unlock your true self in theafterlife, in the afterlife.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
So, essentially, if they don't see Jesus as God the
Son and, like you said, he didnot rise up, like we previously
talked about after he wascrucified, and if they say that
he did not actually resurrect,then there's no point in what we

(39:04):
do.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, I think that they do believe that Jesus
resurrected from the grave.
Okay, the issue is this is thatJesus says multiple times I and
the Father are one?
The LDS Church says that that'snot the case.
They make a distinction betweenJesus and God the Father, and

(39:29):
they also incorporate somethingthat's not in the Bible at all
the Holy Mother, god, doesn'thave a wife, right.
So the gospel?
I don't even know what theMormon gospel pitch would be.
I've never gotten it before.
I don't know why it happened.

(39:50):
It never works out this way,but I never get to have a gospel
conversation with Mormons.
They just ride their bikes pastme.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Because it's just like what's the end goal?
You know what I mean.
It's like for us.
It's you know, we accept jesus,we are saved, we get to go to
heaven and we try to convinceothers to accept jesus so they
can also go to heaven and nothell.
Yeah, there's a veryrudimentary explanation of it,

(40:23):
and just for me, with mormonism,what is that goal?
Is it the same, but the waythat they try to go about it is
wrong.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
yeah, um, I will say that they.
So.
They believe that all otherChristians, even though they put
themselves in the world, theyput themselves in the Christian
camp or Christianity camp.
They believe that all otherdenominations are apostasy.

(40:56):
They believe that they'vedeviated from the original plan.
Yeah, the teachings, and planwhat God was establishing.
And that's what Joseph Smith isclaiming is that what he
received was the prophecy thatwould help get everybody back on

(41:19):
track yeah, the idea is thatJoseph Smith is given the
revelation of what the church issupposed to look like by God
and other angels, and so hismission is to reestablish the
church, to operate the way thatthe first century church

(41:40):
operated.
First century church operated.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
So, but that's the claim, but they're not
necessarily operating in thatway.
So dum-dum-dum-dum-dum.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
But here's the other thing is they have a priesthood.
So, like you know, there'sdifferent levels of authority
within the church.
But you know, the New Testamentteaches that Jesus is the great
high priest and he is the onewho sits and intercedes for us
at the right hand of the Father,and I think that there's
terminology in the New Testamentabout how all Christians are

(42:17):
priests, because we minister tothe Lord when we're practicing
our faith.
I know Catholics probably gotsuper cringy right there when I
just said that.
Good, but yeah, basically,mormonism is saying that all
other forms of Christianity arean apostasy and they're wrong,

(42:42):
and the only true way to Christis through the Mormon church,
and so you have to become aMormon to be able to receive the
revelation, the properrevelation.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
And I guess that for me kind of goes back to let's
sprinkle enough truth to getpeople in and then get them
going our way.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, and so and I would point that out is that the
Mormons teach that it's throughthe Mormon church that you can
find, you know, salvation orwhatever, but the Bible teaches
it's through Christ it has.
The church is an afterthought,like the church is a after you
are saved.
Now you're a part of the church.

(43:23):
It's not a.
In order to be saved, you haveto become a part of this church.
It's the work of Christ in you,then regenerates you and now
you are a part of the church.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
So, yeah.
So with Scientology, it's veryclear that the goal for them was
money, right, yeah, and thatwas the influence there.
Do you believe that that wasthe case with Joseph Smith?
This is all speculation, by theway Do you believe that that

(43:59):
was?
You know, let me make somethingup.
Do you believe that that was?
You know, let me make somethingup, let me, you know, take
something, take, um, let meplagiarize this book, right,
make it into the book of mormon.
Yeah, create a religion and,you know, get money.
Or do you think that he reallybelieved this?
And what was the name of thisangel, this Native American

(44:23):
angel?
I don't know.
It started with an M.
I don't remember Mowgli, okay,it was Mowgli, mowgli, mowgli,
an Indian, it was an.
Indian, oh my gosh, but Mowglicame forth and inspired him.
Do you think that that wasdemonic influence and he
actually truly believed it?
Or do you think that that wasdemonic influence and he
actually truly believed it?
Or do you think that there was.

(44:43):
He knew what he was doing waswrong and fake, but he was
trying to gain monetary valuefrom that, or a third option I
couldn't present.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I honestly I don't know where I would go with it.
There would have to be a deepdive into the character of
Joseph Smith.
Like who is he before during?
And after Mormonism right,right, and that will kind of.
If you can look at somebody'scharacter, you can get a pretty
good idea of what their motivesare.
So either he is being deceivedby a demonic presence or, yeah,

(45:25):
like you're saying, he's justtrying to make money.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Or that third option we can't think of, yeah, or
maybe he was just crazy or maybehe's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I think that the big issues that come out of
Mormonism is when you get intothe doctrines, so like they do
kind of give a gospel pitch ormessage about the atonement
that's found in Jesus Christ asa way to be saved.
But when you get into it it'slike, yeah, and you've got to do

(45:56):
these good works and you've gotto refrain from doing these
things and you've got topractice these things within the
.
And you've got to refrain fromdoing these things and you've
got to practice these thingswithin the Mormon church in
order for you to pass on andembody your true God-like
ability in the afterlife.
And this is the issue is thatthey believe you can become a
God, whereas God teaches inScripture there is no other God

(46:23):
but, God, yeah.
And so that's where the Mormon,that's where the theology of the
Mormon church or LES church,that's where it becomes heresy,
is their idea of what you'reworking towards, which is your
own Godhood, which is your owngodhood, and God's saying no,

(46:44):
you are my children.
Like I am going to forgive youof sin by grace through the
sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
You have to believe in faiththat you're saved in order for
you to be able to enter intoeternity in my presence, because
we're eternal beings.
But he doesn't promise usgodhood.
He doesn't promise us our ownuniverse to rule.
He doesn't promise us any ofthat.

(47:06):
He promises us everlasting lifein perfection and unity with
him, the only God.
So them adding things like aholy mother in heaven who's
married to God, the Father, theidea that you can become a god
in the afterlife and you canhave your own world to govern

(47:28):
over those things, they takeaway from God's divinity and
they set you in equal playingwith God, and that's just not
what it is.
It's not true.
So you know?

(47:48):
I think that's where the bigissue is.
Is that?
That's why it's so difficultfrom the outside, looking in,
it's like how are the Mormonsany different than all the other
Christians, because when theygo out on their missionary
journeys they'll talk aboutJesus, they'll bring up the
atonement in Christ.
They won't talk about thedivine three in heaven.
They won't talk about the youbecome your own God in your

(48:12):
afterlife, stuff.
So you know.
So there's certain things thatit's like you have to get into
the church and be a part of thechurch for a while to really
find these things out.
Just like Scientology, justlike Scientology.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
So is it hidden truth or is like in the sense of like
Scientology, where you have tobe there before you get that, or
do you just need to be in thechurch, if that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I think it's as you Progress, yeah, as you progress
in the church It'll give youmore and more information.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
You get more insight.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yep.
So, and that brings us to apoint I wanted to talk about
with that one guy I was tellingyou about earlier, mm-hmm.
So there's a guy I got to lookup his name.
Hold on, it was Bill Nye.
Yeah, no, bill Bo Ba-do I.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, no, bill bow, but oh no, no bill, but oh no,
no tree bill, but oh, no, notree.
That's a king of the hillcharacter anyways, it's this guy
.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
He has a very interesting story.
He is basically started outkind of in the catholic church
and then moved on to otherthings bill, snow, snow villain,
snow villain.
So he started out in thecatholic church and then he

(49:38):
moved into Luciferianism and thesecret agencies like
Freemasonry, illuminati, and hebecame a practicing warlock
within Satanism and he practicedwhite magic.
Not like in the way of castingHarry Potter spells just like in

(50:07):
the way of casting harry potterspells, just so in in reality,
right in our, in our reality,there, in true reality, there is
magic and it's practiced.
And there's two variantsthere's dark magic and there's
light magic.
And so there are people thatpractice the dark magic, which
is, you know, like this, thereally dark pouring out of blood
, seances, cursing people,things.
And then there's light magic,which I don't really know a

(50:28):
whole lot about.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Is it kind of like flowers and potions and stuff,
like it's not really like wheredark magic is like kind of death
related.
This is more life related.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
It's all witchcraft, but I would say and this is
coming from a place of ignorance, so take it with a grain of
salt but I would say that darkmagic is just very complacent,
like, yes, satan, satan's realHail, satan.
We believe in him and we aresubservient to him.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Disclaimer the Saints that Serve podcast does not.
No, we don't, we don't.
I'm saying that.
That's what that was a quoteJohnny was making.
Yeah, that's a quote.
Just do not quote Johnny onthat quote.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, yeah, but the and then light magic is more.
It's more of like we practicemagic, but we do it for the
betterment of humanity, but it'sstill witchcraft.
Yeah, it's still witchcraft.
It's still trying to have yourown power.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
And you're taking it from a spiritual realm and
you're projecting it into thephysical, which is usually, I
mean, which is 100% coming fromsomething demonic or God, and in
this case it's not God.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
When we're talking about magic and witchcraft, it's
not coming from God.
So yeah, you're right, butanyways, so he got into all that
stuff.
He even brought up in thepodcast I was listening to.
He brought up that he got intovampirism Just in his pursuit of
power.
He got into vampirism and hewas doing that stuff.
His pursuit of power, he gotinto vampirism and he was doing
that stuff.
But he basically got to a pointwhere he had an out-of-body

(52:06):
experience and had a visionwhere basically he was going to
be killed by this spiritualentity because it had control
over him.
Was it Mowgli?
No, but he was so afraid thathe was trying to find a way to

(52:26):
escape this spiritual presence.
And he was referred to theMormon church and basically they
said, like it's not awell-known secret, or it's a
secret and it's not well-known,but basically any practicers of
white magic can find sanctuaryin the Mormon church.
It's a sanctuary for whitemagic users.
And so he went to the Mormonchurch and they're like yes you

(52:49):
can go to this place and bethere, but obviously you know
you don't get to talk about thefact that you're a warlock,
right, you know.
So he joined the Mormon churchand started, I guess, elevating
himself within a local body.
And then he got into a debatewith a true Christian and got
floored and as you do, as you do, and and God got a hold of his

(53:11):
heart and he was forgiven of hissins and he was delivered from
all the demonic that, all thedemonic forces in his life.
And now he's a minister andhe's living for Christ and he's
trying to shine the light on thedarkness.
And now he's a minister andhe's living for Christ and he's
trying to shine the light on thedarkness.
That is a thing to consider.
There is at least one persontestifying that the Mormon

(53:31):
church has secrets, and one ofthose secrets is it is an agency
that will protect witches andwarlocks who practice white
magic.
So is that true?
Is it not true?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
You know what it's alleged, but just for the fun of
it.
It happened 100%, because thatstory isn't cool if it didn't
happen.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, but it is a pretty crazy story.
But yeah, so that's all I'vegot as far as our main topic.
Do you have anything else to?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
add yeah, mormonism, dum, dum, dum, dum dum.
Don't do it, don't Don't hey.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Stop, because if you practice Mormonism and you die,
but you won't get them next time, but if you practice
Christianity, the true faith,where you follow Jesus Christ as
your Lord and Savior.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
You'll be busting down all those walls with some
Kool-Aid, that's right, baby.
Kool-aid in heaven, where thewhole thing is just sugar.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So do you want to get into our corner?

Speaker 1 (54:46):
No, oh, because I have a surprise game.
Oh yeah, sorry.
So I have a little game BecauseI've been on a roll, like you
know, boastful a little bit.
Don't do that in real life,don't be boastful.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
You've been on a roll .

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, was it warm.
Yeah, bless this Roomtemperature.
Herk was on a roll.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Did you have butter on it?
Yeah, it was delicious.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
It was the butter biscuits from Texas Roadhouse
Butter, my biscuit Butter, myuitwith that cinnamon butter.
It's so good, oh man.
So we made a little bit of ajoke a couple episodes ago.
Yeah, we did, episode 42.
42, where we talked about youhaving a fake podcast.

(55:35):
Yes, which comes up everycouple episodes and I took
inspiration by that.
So everybody, welcome toHolistic Holiness.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Wait, wait, wait.
Say it again.
Now it's time for Hol, a littlegame we call holistic holiness.
In this game I present myco-host, johnny that's me with a

(56:09):
completely made up health issue.
I want to.
I want to clarify this witheverybody, because we got in
trouble with givingquote-unquote health advice in
episode 11, and we got our wholeepisode taken down for it.
We did.
Yeah, that episode 11, where Imade a comment about a specific
disease, uh-huh, and thealgorithm didn't like that and

(56:30):
it took down our episode.
That's why our episode gottaken down From YouTube.
Yeah, oh.
So we are clear.
This is a game.
A game, even though theseprompts are completely silly.
We are not medical physicians.
We are not medical physicians.
This advice should not befollowed.
This is fake, 100% fabricated.

(56:51):
Thank you, I just want to getthat out of the way.
So I present my co-host with acompletely made-up health issue
and they, johnny, have to comeup with a fake but righteously
creative solution, all right.
So, yeah, I'm going to presentyou with a, with a situation,
okay, and you have to come upwith the.

(57:12):
Sorry, I present you with aproblem.
You have to come up with ahealth advice solution.
Okay, how many rounds of thiswould you like to do?
I have five.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Let's do three because we got to get to the
corner.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yep Sounds good, wrap it up, okay, okay.
So your first issue you'vedeveloped a gluten intolerance
to communion wafers.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
So the reason that this happens is because in the
day-to-day people are eatingunholy bread, and it is
compromising.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
When the holy bread enters into their system, their
system is overwhelmed Becausemost of their system is unholy,
unholy, because mostly most oftheir system is unholy, unholy.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
So it's the same as like when Aaron's sons offer up
unholy fire before the Lordthey're consumed in it.
So that's the idea is thatwe're dealing with a holy God
the body of Jesus Christ, theholy God and you're filling your
body with unholy bread, andthen the holy bread enters into

(58:17):
your system and your system isjust consumed by holy fire.
So basically, cut out theunholy gluten in your life and
rely on the holy bread of Christ, which is his body.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
So what you're saying is just keep eating those
wafers.
Eventually it'll clear out yoursystem.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I'm saying stop eating all the other bread.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Right, but keep eating the, unless it's
sourdough, unless it's sourdoughBecause it's fermented.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
All right, you just turn water into wine and through
his body he is turning breadinto sourdough bread.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
All right, great advice, thank advice.
Thank you, john, you're welcome.
Number two okay.
Every time someone says amen,your eyelids slam shut.
That is the medical condition.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Every time you hear the word amen your eyelids, just
they slam shut yeah, I wouldsay that, uh, if your eyelids
are uncontrollably slamming shutwhenever you hear, so be it,
because that's what I amen means, so be it right.

(59:29):
You are lacking in faith.
You don't believe that god willdo it.
You have to.
Basically, your eyes areshutting down.
You're like what?
I close my eyes to this.
Yeah, I can't believe this ishappening.
So it is somewhat of a, youknow, like a I guess you could
say opposition to the Lord'swill be done.

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But to overcome that, you know,more Jesus, more Jesus.
Some cayenne pepper Get youreyes watery so they start
blinking a lot.
So if your eyes blink a lot ifyou, if you get the blinking
going and it gets watery,they'll be lubricated and then
they can't lock shut.
So pray over your cayennepepper and then sprinkle it out

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underneath your eyes or maybeeven in your eyes a little bit,
so they get real watery, andthen sprinkle it out underneath
your eyes or maybe even in youreyes a little bit so they get
real watery.
And then every time you hearamen, you may blink.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
To start out with your eyes will slam shut, but
they are loosened by the holypower of God's word and the
stinging power of that cayennepepper.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Of that anointed cayenne pepper, remember, it's
got to be anointed, that's right.
So yeah, go to our website.
You can find some anointedcayenne pepper for $30.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
And what website is that that's?
I don't knowHolisticholinessgov.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Dot gov.
A little bit of a humor therefor you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
There you go, and our last issue is you've got a
praise break rash.
So what happens is it flares upevery time the worship team
hits that bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
What's your fix?

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Your rash, you have a rash that flares up every time.
Bridge rash, as they call it,bridge rash, bridge rash, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Worship bridge rash.
Worship bridge rash.
Yeah, I mean rash.
Worship bridge rash.
Yeah, I mean this one's prettystraightforward Holy anointing
oil.
So before you go into worship,make sure you're anointing
wherever your rash is with holyanointing oil Again, and you can
buy this at holisticholinessgov.

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But you also want to anoint yourhead and your heart Anointing
oil Again, and you can buy thisat holisticholinessgov.
But you also want to anointyour head and your heart and
then wherever the rash is, andyou know, whenever the bridge
comes, the anointing oil willget you through it.
Because that's really what itis is.
Whenever there's a bridge inthe song, it's just saying like

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hey, we love god, we'reworshiping god, but we need to
take a quick little break andhave an interlude to get back to
the main stuff.
Uh, that connecting segue, thatconnecting segue to finish it
out.
And it's like well, but do we?
Can we not just be, be in itthe entire time?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
So you're saying the solution is of course the oil at
holisticholinessgov.
Yeah, but also just sing songswithout bridges.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Well, because think about it this way, always be in
God.
Think about it this way Jesusis the bridge, right, right.
He's the one who makes the wayfor us to enter into the
holiness of God, so for us tothink that we can, through music
, create a bridge where there'salready a bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
You know, create Christ within the songs when
Christ already exists.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah, christ is already there.
He's in the beginning was theWord, and the Word was with God.
He was there in the beginningwith God.
All things were made throughhim.
Without him was not anythingmade.
That was made.
That is John.
The Gospel of John, chapter 1,verses 1 through 3.
So God's here.
Jesus has been here always andhe is the only way to the Father

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, not your instrumentalinterludes.
So no engine oil, it'll get youthrough those bridges.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Thank you so much, and thank you everybody for
joining us on this episode ofHolistic Holiness.
I've been Jairus, and ouradvice today was given by our
co-host here, john, and this wasa joke.
This was a joke, everybody 100%a joke.
Don't believe a word of it.
Yeah, Except the part of that.
You need Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Yeah, that's what we're getting at.
You need Jesus, you don't needcayenne pepper.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I mean, if you want to go ahead.
But you didn't hear that fromus.
But I was serious about thesourdough bread.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
It is way better for you than regular bread.
You should get it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Anyways, yeah, that was great.
I love how all of your advicewas literally just the same
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah, just just worded differently.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Jesus, yeah, you just need more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Jesus, More Jesus.
Well, I don't want to besacrilegious, Of course I'd be
like well you know, you need todo something other than Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Maybe we'll come up with a segment again, but it'd
be like holistic honesty orsomething like that, so that you
can be a little bit less yeah,be a little bit more
sacrilegious because religious.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
No, I'm not going to be moresacrilegious.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I'm talking about don't have one that's themed
around Christianity.
Okay, I was going to say, sothat you can be more silly and
not be sacrilegious in thatmoment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah, I think that's what we need.
We need to look at, like whatare some actual, like what's a
Google is saying, like whatnutritionists are saying, and
then be like, well, this is, asa Christian, this is what you
should do, and then do it thatway.
That would be funny.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
All right, I'll workshop it.
There we go, but anyways, nowwe can go into our final segment
of this episode.
So, tyler, this is yourtransition into the Corner.
Step inside, if you dare.

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Shadows move, mysteries whisperand the unknown awaits.
Welcome to the Corner.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
We've talked about Bigfoot before right, that's
right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
We have, like episode six or something like that,
episode two, whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
And I think he's come up multiple times, I mean
that's like the big bad, youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah, that is the Thanos of this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
He's the main guy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
This is the Thanos of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Bigfoot is the Thanos to the cryptic community.
Now do you want to know whatthe Mormon perspective on
Bigfoot is?

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Please tell me Okay, even though we talked about it
briefly.
Still, this is great, so goahead, all right.
So the LDS church in certainstreams or, if you're from the
south, certain creeks, certaincreeks, creeks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
They have a doctrine it's not an official doctrine of
the church, but it is acceptedwithin the church that Bigfoot,
he's the biblical figure, cain,from the beginning of the Bible,
cain and Abel, the two sons ofAdam and Eve.
Cain kills Abel out of jealousy, murders him.

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Cable, out of jealousy, murdershim.
God curses Cain to wander theearth.
He will never be able to settledown or grow things in the
earth and he will be marked withthe curse of Cain.
Yeah, so there's a Mormon namedPaul Patton who encountered a

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large, dark, hairy creature,cain, in the woods, and he asked
the creature who are you?
And he said I'm one who'scursed to wander the earth.
And so he brought that story tothe church and people were like

(01:07:17):
well, we don't know what tomake of this, but David Patton
is a reliable source within ourchurch, so I guess we maybe
believe that Cain is Bigfoot andBigfoot is Cain.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
That's so crazy, dude .
Imagine not even being that guy, but being the person that that
guy goes to.
Right, he goes to and says Ijust saw Bigfoot.
He was out in my backyard andhe talked to me and he told me
he was the son of Adam and thegoat said amen, you got too

(01:07:55):
Southern, you got too Southern,got a little too Southern for
them goats Anyways, yeah, sothey so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
And then the argument spread up.
Well, what about when peoplehave stumbled across families of
Sasquatch?

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Bigfoot and the rebuttal is well, they're the
children of Cain and they'realso immortal.
Yeah, so it's very interesting,but that's an argument to be
had about, like that's why noone's ever killed a Bigfoot or
found their bodies, because it'sCain who has the mark of God

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that basically makes himimmortal.
No one can kill Cain, eventhough the scripture says anyone
who harms Cain double will bedone unto them, kind of a deal.
It doesn't say that he can't bekilled, it just says that what
it is is they're harming Bigfoot, which was Cain.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yeah, but the people who see Bigfoot are dying, yeah,
because they're harming Cain.
Yeah, but the people who seeBigfoot are dying, yeah, because
they're harming.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Cain, maybe I just think that it goes into, if
anything it contributes to, theidea of maybe Sasquatch are not
just physical creatures.
There might be a spiritualelement to them.
Now I'm not going to hold toanything else in the Mormon

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church, so why would I hold totheir interpretation of Bigfoot?
Because it makes so much sense?
Yeah, but that is something Iwould like to point out is that
this is an entire religion orcult that's been led astray from
the truth and are preaching afalse truth.
And wouldn't it make more sensefor the enemy to continue to

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bring forth false truths tofurther them away from?
the truth of the gospel.
So that's what I would say is,whether or not he actually saw,
encountered a Bigfoot, whetheror not it actually spoke to him,
whether or not this, that orthe other, the reality is is the
enemy will always deceive eventhose that he has in his

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clutches, that he is Lord over.
He's still going to continue todeceive them and distract them.
He's still going to continue todeceive them and distract them,
because the last thing Satanwants is for us, as people, to
find the light of Christ andrepent and be forgiven of our
sins and walk in the light ofChrist.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
So how many people can I drag to hell with me?
Correct, or the lake of fire,or the lake of fire.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yes, so yeah, that's Bigfoot for you.
There you go.
He is Cain Yep According.
Yeah, that's Bigfoot for you.
There you go, bigfoot.
He is Cain Yep According to theLDS Church.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Bigfoot 2.0.
He'll come back up again inanother corner, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Most definitely.
There's a lot of Bigfootstories and some of them are
pretty entertaining, but thisone was themed because we were
talking about Mormons.
There you go had to talk aboutthe curse of Cain.
The curse of Cain, yeah.
So that's it for us tonight,for episode 44.
Of the Saints that Servepodcast.
Of the Saints that Servepodcast.

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So all I have left to say isChrist is Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I have one more thing to say.
If you are playing Pokemon Go,oh no, I have one more thing to
say.
If you are playing Pokemon Go Ilove you're, just like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
I can't believe you're doing this right now, lds
Church is a cult and itworships Satan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
So, demons, if you got them in your pocket, I've
picked up playing Pokemon Goagain, okay, so if anybody wants
to friend me on that I am regalman.
That's r-e-e-g-l-e-m-a-n on thepokemon go app send me a friend
request.
I need those gifts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
if you play pokemon go, you know what I mean and
we'll post a picture of like afriend invite thing on the
instagram.
So if you guys want to find himthere, you can.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
And if we get Okay, how many comments or likes or
whatever on this episode will ittake for you to start playing
Pokemon Go 2?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
If we, can get on this episode 25 likes and 5
comments.
I will play Pokemon Go.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
There you go, folks.
You've heard it here John willplay Pokemon Go if we get five
comments and 25 likes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
And that's for everything If it's on Instagram,
if it's on Spotify, YouTube,all those things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
All right, so you heard it here.
Folks, it doesn't have to beanything meaningful in the
comments, just you got tocomment.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
All right.
Well, yeah, Christ is Lord andthe kingdom is now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
We are the saints that serve now we can go into

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our final segment of thisepisode.
So let's go over to I forgothis name for a second.
I blanked on tyler.
Oh, like an idiot.
Dang sorry I know what is wrongwith me?
All right, tyler, just I know.

(01:13:39):
No, we got to start that over.
That was.