Episode 46 - The Marvel Cinematic Special - The Saints That Serve Podcast

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So eventually, yeah, buttonight's going to be kind of a
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So we got plenty of time, buttonight we're going to be
talking about so Tyler Tylerthis is your transition into the
rest of the night.
We're going to be talking aboutthe MCU, the best superhero

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saga Saga In cinematic history.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
The best intro Assemble.
That was well done.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
We all quieted it down, but yeah so.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
So what is if you're not good with acronyms?
What is the MCU?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, for those who don't know, mcu stands for
Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's right.
Marvel Cinematic at this point.
Multiverse.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah.
So just so you know, we mightdabble a little bit into like
comic book lore, but we're goingto be focusing on just
cinematic.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yes, from when it started in 2008 up to.
I think we're going to leaveout this year because they're
new.
So the three Marvel movies thatcame out this year, we might
call them out by name, buteverything else is, I guess, a
spoiler warning.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, if you haven't watched anything in the past
almost two decades now, thenwhat are you doing?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's getting close, it's getting real close, I think
.
Only a couple more years andit'll be- 20 years.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
20 years, yeah, in 2028, it'll be 20 years.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
That is insanity.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Mm-hmm, but yeah, yeah.
So starting with, I meantechnically it's hulk, but no,
really it's captain america,it's uh iron man so no, iron man
was first before hulk.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
It was iron man, then the incredible hulk oh, you're
right, you're right and theniron man 2 and then iron man 2,
and then dis Disney bought it.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And then Disney bought it.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
That is insane to think right, where people
associate Disney with the badpart of Marvel, the kind of like
the trash that kind of came outafter Endgame came out.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
But Disney has been making Marvel movies for the
majority.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Of marvel movies, yeah, mcu, yeah well, because I
mean there's a big scandalbehind it all, like basically
everybody's contracts kind ofended after in game, in game,
yeah, and then when disney wentto try to renew stuff, they like
totally.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
They saw the value in it and they were demanding too
high of a price that Disneywasn't willing to pay.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
No, it was the other way around, like they were like
lowballing them, like making iteven lower than what they had
had before, kind of deal.
And so a lot of I mean likeJeremy Renner and scarlett
johansson they were like yeah,we're out.
And I mean robert downey jr hewas like I'm done, but now he's

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not done which is insane, whichis crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
We're gonna get into that a little bit, yeah, but
it's like for him to come back,but as a different character
yeah and it actually kind ofmakes sense, yeah is insane.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy that, like a movie that
hit, that made such a turningpoint to make everything work in
the mcu, was not actually likea massive movie.
You know what I mean?
It was spider-man no way home.
Yeah, that's what opened up themultiverse.
Yeah, but it's not.
They didn't hype it up.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, it's funny too, because in the lore of that
movie it was almost like becausethey introduced multiverses at
that point, kind of kind of not.
They kind of talk about it inEndgame a little bit or hint at
it, yeah, but then they go intoit with no Way Home, yeah, or
hint at it, yeah, but then theygo into it with no way home,
yeah, and it's.
It's interesting because theymake it out like that moment in

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that movie is what triggered themultiverse.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
But it's really not, yeah, because you get more and
more into the movies,specifically the shows well,
yeah, the shows, yeah, yeah,because Loki, really the Loki
show is what tears open the, themultiverse, the multiverse, and
makes it like really, I guess,easier to understand.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
And it's so interesting to see what they
were going to do and whatthey're planning on doing and
what they're backtracking on now, because it's like they were
going to make king the villain.
Yeah, he was the big bad andwhat happened with, uh, jonathan
majors and his like?
he got arrested yeah and theyfired him, so they had to rework

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what they were going to do withhim.
Yeah, but then he his chargeswere dropped, so he's going to
come back as king.
That's, that's the rumor rightnow.
Maybe he won't come back asking, but he's coming back as
king, but probably not in anycapacity that he was going to be
in.
Yeah, so I like the directionthey're going now.
Yeah, but let's, let's take itback a bit and just rewind,

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rewind a little bit and let's,you know, let's talk about some
of these uh, early movies, let'sstart from the beginning and
just, you know, we can name themout and just have a good time
okay all right, so phase one somarvel yeah boy, yeah boy so
marvel puts out their movies andphases that are all kind of

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grouped together in like a themeand kind of like a villain,
yeah, like an arching villain.
That kind of leads up to it.
So the phase one was iron man,incredible hulk thor, captain
America, the first Avenger, andthen the Avengers, yeah, and

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then Iron man 2, but you know,yeah, iron man 2 was in there,
it was in there.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Because that's where Black Widow gets introduced.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Is in Iron man 2.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
So really it's those movies, introduce these
characters, the key fivecharacters.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Which one?
Do you remember which onehawkeye was introduced in?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
yeah, the avengers, technically thor.
There we go.
I mean, yeah, thor, but reallyintroduced in like, because he
has like a three minute scene inthat movie it was less than
that.
It's like he shot some arrowsat thor, and that was it.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Still For him to come back as a major character in
the Avengers.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, but I mean, that was the thing.
They introduced him as an agentof SHIELD, but he's, he was
just.
Yeah, he was just Hawkeye.
You know, that's it.
And so Hawkeye becomes anAvenger or a superhero, but he
starts out as an agent for.
Shield.
So it makes sense.
I mean, so does Black Widow,and Black Widow is the same

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thing.
She's an agent for SHIELD, butthen she becomes a superhero,
but she's not getting her ownmovie right there For a very
long time, for a very long time,yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
And I apologize, I said five.
There's six.
Avengers, yes, yeah, so thefour major ones you see
everywhere, like as on marketingand all the stuff, the four
that people absolutely love, andthen Hawkeye and Black Widow,
dang, I mean, let's be honest,that's how they market those
characters, right, yeah, yeah,they are supportive.
I mean, yeah, they are kind ofsupportive.

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It's like you have the fourAvengers and then the two
supporting characters which workin the Avengers, right, no, but
it's, you got your four.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, and I think that like because there is that
point Hawkeye and Black Widow,they're not super powered
entities, they're just reallygood at what they do.
Yeah, you know, like that's it.
I mean, I mean, captain,america is a super soldier, iron
man's rich you're right hulk'ssuper strong, uh, and then

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thor's obviously super strong,and he is a in this world
eternal, eternal, a deity an andimmortal.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Who can die so?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
And then you know, hawkeye's really good at
shooting bow and arrows andBlack Widow's really good about
putting big guys to sleep.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Sun's getting real low, big guy.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Sun's getting real low, oh my gosh.
But let's talk about this.
I kind of want to, becausephase one is what really?
I think phase two and three arefantastic, yeah, but I don't
think we'll ever get what phaseone was.
Yeah, it didn't dip much, butit was peak.

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Mcu yeah, let's be honest,maybe that's a hot take.
Yes, some other movies arebetter, I think, better movies
than the first phase movies.
But when you're talking aboutwhat they led up to and they
paid off with, it was insanelyincredible and industry changing

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yeah, I think would be the bestway to put it.
So you have iron man come out,yeah, and again, this all come
happened to lead up to oneinfinity stone.
That's it.
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's it.
And then after that they did somany other infinity stones,
like sprinkled without, but theentire point leading up was

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introduction of characters andan infinity stone which you
didn't even know what that waswhen the Avengers come out, and
you didn't even realize that itwas in the staff.
No, we're talking about thespace stone, the Tesseract.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's what I'm saying is they didn't
acknowledge it was an infinitystone, it was just a Tesseract,
it was an artifact.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, but you're talking about the Mind Stone
later.
Oh, wow, with the staff whichtechnically there is an Infinity
Stone in the first phase, ortwo of them, yeah, but one isn't
said.
Hey, this is an Infinity Stoneuntil later.
Yeah, so these movies come out.
Right.
When Iron man came out, wealways had superhero movies come

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out.
Right.
When iron man came out, wealways had superhero movies come
out, but we didn't have thething that happens in a lot of
movies now where they hint atother movies at the end of post
credits and all that stuff.
Yeah, so iron man came out,robert downey jr fantastic movie
, correct.
And at the very end of it,after the movie is over over.
I don't know who would havewaited to see if there was
something at the end.
I feel like most people sawthat on DVD or something later

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on.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Someone waiting for everyone else to leave the
theater so he can get a couplemore kisses on his girlfriend,
something like that.
And then they get freaked outby Robert Downey Jr coming back
on the screen.
Hey guys, what are?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
you doing whoa?
No, but he like so.
At the end of iron man, robertdowney jr comes into his house
and there's a man in his houseyes, it is samuel jackson and he
is being played by nick fury.
And for him to mention theavengers.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
It's Nick Fury being played by Samuel.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
L Jackson Sorry.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Sorry, I was like wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I thought I said Samuel L Jackson playing Nick
Fury.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You said it's Samuel L Jackson being played by Nick
Fury.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh sorry, I meant to say playing Nick Fury and he
says I have a job for you, Iwant you to be part of the
Avengers initiative, and it'sjust like boom.
It's insanity, right?
Yes, so people are thinking, oh, we get another Iron man movie
and they'll lead towards somewhatever.
No, we get the Hulk next andthen after that, iron man 2.

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Yeah, then after that Thor,then Captain America.
I'm pretty sure that's theorder.
Maybe I swapped two of them.
I think it was captain america,then thor, because they
introduced the tesseract in incaptain america yeah, thor, yeah
, thor introduces loki.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Tesseract is introduced in captain america
right.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
So you are introduced to the villain of the avengers
in thor, so you are introducedto the villain of the Avengers
in Thor, and then you areintroduced to the MacGuffin, as
they say, in Captain America.
Yeah, and so essentially inThor's movie, loki is defeated
and he's cast out, and then inthe Avengers he comes back after

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the Tesseract and it's kind ofhinted at that he is while he's
cast out in space he isrecruited by something to go get
the Tesseract.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yes, so we have five movies leading up to the
Avengers movie yeah, countingwith my fingers Iron man, hulk,
iron man 2, thor, captainAmerica, five movies, then the
sixth is.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
The Avengers.
Seeing that movie in theaters,you would have thought you were
at a football game.
Yeah, like everything happening, the hype around it, all the
moment and all of the communityand brotherhood, everybody
coming to experience a movie wassomething that has never

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happened before.
Yeah, and really I don't thinkwill ever happen again.
Well, not to the level of atthat point.
Yeah, there are so many greatmoments that warrant it in
movies later on.
Yeah, but I do not think it'llever happen again the way it did
at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, well, because phase one is 2008 to 2012.
So they take four years tobuild up they had a movie a year
.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
We have three movies a year now.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, but they took four years to build up to.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
The Avengers yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
You know, the first team up, if you will, and then
phase two is 2013 to 2015.
And that's when they startslamming in all the supporting
characters.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, while putting in the characters and getting
sequels and Thor 2, captainAmerica 2, best Marvel movie
ever Winter Soldier.
Winter Soldier is the bestMarvel movie ever.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And you had Guardians of the Galaxy come out and
Black Panther didn't come.
That was phase three, right,black Panther.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yes, black Panther did it come.
That was phase three, right?
Black Panther, yes, becausethat's when Civil War it comes
out.
Black Panther's introduced inCivil War, that's right.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
So then he gets a movie which is Captain America 3
.
Yeah, yeah, so, yeah so.
Thor, dark World, captainAmerica, the Winter Soldier,
guardians of the Galaxy there'sonly three movies leading up to
Age of Ultron, but the Avengersage of ultron, but it age of the
avengers age of ultron is notthe last movie in phase three.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
No, it's ant-man which is weird that they did
like the phases, like the firstone makes sense.
They end it with the avengers,the team up yeah but then phases
two and three, like the closingof the phase, is a, is a
one-off movie for a characterwhich is a good characteroff
movie for a character.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Which is a good character.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I mean no, I'm not dogging Ant-Man in any way.
I think Paul Rudd did a prettygood job, but like that's the
end of phase two is Ant-Man.
It's not Age of Ultron, it'sAnt-Man.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
And then phase three.
The end of it is so, yeah,really, you get like sequels.
So, yeah, really, you getsequels.
So it's Iron man 3, thor, darkWorld, captain America, the
Winter Soldier so sequel movies,yeah.
Then you are thrown in withwhat looks like what's going to
be the dumbest movie on theplanet yeah, a green woman, some

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buff dude, a talking tree and aand a talk oh sorry, a living
tree and a talking raccoon.
Yeah, all hanging out from, uh,hanging out with the dude from
Parks and Rec.
Yeah, and it's like what isthis movie?
This is going to be the worstthing I've ever seen.
Guardians of the Galaxy isincredible of a movie.
Yeah, it was like almost likeAvengers all over again.

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Yeah, all in one movie.
Yeah, and they made it work,even though they just introduced
all these super off-the-wallodd characters to you.
Yeah, I just want to kind of Iwanted to stop and kind of talk
about that, because I think thatis the best middle ground
between comedy and seriousnessin the MCU.

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Yeah, because later on, when weget in past phase three, it
becomes overly goofy in a waythat demeans these characters
that you built up over the last10 years.
Yeah, these heroes, thesepeople that people idolize?
You shouldn't, but people doidolize these characters.
Yeah, these people that peopleidolize idolize you shouldn't,
but people do idolize thesecharacters.
Yeah, and then you they builtthem up and then after in-game,

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they start breaking them downyeah, I want to.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Here's the deal.
I would like to blame takaiwakiti.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah tako, tako, tako wakiti Taika Waititi.
Taika Waititi because ThorRagnarok did it.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, like it was funny, but they kept going, they
kept digging in to just thissilliness and it kind of ruined
a lot of these characters.
For you know what we were doing, yeah, let's pull back for just
a second.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Let's well, I want to get back to it when we get to
phases four and five okaybecause, well, we can get
through these other phasesfairly quickly now that we
talked about the avengers, yeah.
But you know we had thesemovies and so you got sequels
and a lot of them introduced.
So thor dark world introducedanother infinity stone.

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Winter soldier did not.
Iron man 3 did not.
Guardians of the galaxyintroduced another one, yeah,
and then age of ultronintroduced an infinity stone.
So all in phase two we got threeinfinity stones, where in the
first phase we led up to thisone big story to introduce one
infinity stone yeah and so youhave the avengers teaming up a

(21:54):
second time with uh to fightagainst a killer robot, and
that's the second avengers movie, yeah, introducing quicksil,
who dies in the movie.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, that, I think, was one of the most frustrating
things for me.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
And don't get me wrong, I really like Age of
Ultron, but it was such aletdown because they built up a
second time and it really didnot pay off the way the avengers
did.
I think that's where we startgetting that a little bit of
superhero fatigue not a lot, butwe start getting it because

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it's like now they're starting.
The first phase was allrealistic, kind of stories that
you could relate to, anybodycould enjoy, yeah.
And then phase two startsgetting into the nitty gritty,
into the deeper cuts of Marvel.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Not terribly deep, but the deeper cuts of Marvel.
And then you start only tryingto appease.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Here's my take.
I think that Age of Ultron wasa pretty good movie, right.
But I feel like hindsight rightBecause we've been through all
of it I really feel like Age ofUltron was more of a setup for
Civil War.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, and introducing vision.
It wasn't a payoff movie.
It was just another movie, likeyou said, leading up to
something bigger.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
They wasted a villain that's a really big villain in
the comics, right, ultron's likea really big deal, yeah, and
they threw him in.
He was a one movie deal, gothim in, got him out done, and so
the movie really does feel likeit's an introduction for some
key players for the next phase,which is it wasn't meant to.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
It was a good movie, but it was more of a bridge to
the next, to the next story thanactually telling a good story
in the moment.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
It wasn't a climax for the previous movies.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, like the Avengers was something that led
up to something great, this justfelt like another movie really
was a lead-up.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Age of Ultron was really a lead-up to Civil War,
which is just another movie inthe next phase.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's not even a climactic because you just
introduce these characters thatare there, like we do have this
problem with the MCU, where it'slike, instead of giving a
character a movie, they kind oftest the waters with some
characters, yeah, and then maybelater on give them something,
yeah, and they do thatespecially for Age of Ultron.

(24:35):
They do that with Black, notBlack Widow, scarlet Witch,
scarlet Witch and Envision, yeah, which doesn't happen for a
very long time either way yeah,but that't happen for a very
long time either way.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, but that's really what.
That's what I was getting at.
I feel like it was more so justa setup for Civil War and an
introduction to the two keycharacters, which are Vision and
Wanda, because they play a bigpart in one that the end in
Infinity War and Endgame.
Then they also play a key partin the multiverse yeah so

(25:10):
they're kind of really importantcharacters for the overall, I
guess, movement of the story.
But they don't get their ownmovie, they just get thrown into
age of ultron, so somethingmajor that happens in what
you're referencing to is in ageof ultron, and so something
major that happens in whatyou're referencing to is in age
of ultron.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Ultron is a robot created by tony stark to protect
the earth, but he becomessentient and he thinks not a
robot, he's an ai, correct?
Sorry, he is, he's an ai, yeah.
And he decides that you knowhis, his, you, his programming
is protect mankind.
But he sees that mankind is soviolent that the only way to

(25:52):
protect mankind from themselvesis to wipe out mankind.
So he essentially picks up anentire city, is going to drop it
back down on Earth, to blow upthe Earth, yeah.
And so the Avengers go in andstop them.
That is Sokovia, right?
Yeah, he picks up and dropssokovia and they, they save

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every.
They don't save everybody, butyeah, but they stop ultron and
in the process, quicksilver dies, yep, and scarlet witch, who
was a villain in the movie, isnow a Avenger Heroine.
Heroine, like she.
She was recruited by Ultron tohelp him and by the end she
turns on him.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, so he turns on them first.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
but yeah, you get the idea.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, so moving on past that and again, we are
moving through this fairlyquickly.
We're talking about 10 plusalmost 20 years worth of content
.
We're not going to go into toodeep detail on everything.
Yeah, we're just kind oftalking about this in general.
Doctor Strange Did you likeDoctor Strange?

(27:00):
The first one, yeah, it waspretty good.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, dormammu, dormammuu, I liked it.
Uh, real quick, real quick.
Sorry, I'm looking at the casthere for age of ultron.
It says that idris albo is acast who's who did he play?
He's heimdall oh yeah, I'mlooking at this.
I'm like I don't remember himin Age of Ultron.

(27:25):
He is the gatekeeper in Thor.
It's the all scene.
Oh my gosh, all right, sorry,continue, yeah, so Doctor
Strange, doctor Strange.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
The story within Doctor Strange and a lot of
these are pretty self-contained.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
And they're just introducing characters.
Yeah, Same way with Ant-Man.
We talked about Guardians ofthe Galaxy.
That was important becausethere was a power.
The Power Stone was in that.
Yep, Guardians of the GalaxyVolume 2, same thing, Just
introducing new characters.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
And just another good movie with Introducing the
reality of Star-Lord being anactual lord.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, that's right, kurt.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Russell Freaking.
Kurt Russell man.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
That movie's good.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Big trouble in little Chinatown.
You know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
And he's the whole town.
And he's the whole town, andthen Spider-Man Homecoming.
Talk about a movie that isgreat and sets up a lot of stuff
that does not happen later on.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I feel like everybody really liked
Spider-Man Homecoming becauseSpider-Man actually was
convincingly a high schooler.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I jumped forward so terribly bad.
Oh, you did.
Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't eventalk about Captain America.
Civil War.
We talked about it, but, likeyou said, age of Ultron led up
to Civil War, Correct.
And what is to me the only?
I mean the whole movie is great.
Yes, right, but it's a CaptainAmerica movie and they try to

(29:02):
kind of put an Avenger storywithin it.
You know what I mean.
It's truly about CaptainAmerica, steve Rogers trying to
help his friend Bucky, who wasthe Winter Soldier spoiler and
everybody's after him, becausehe blew up and killed Black
Panther's father.

(29:22):
But it wasn't really him.
Oh, spoiler alert, spoileralert, you know.
But they all think Panther'sfather, but it wasn't really him
.
Spoiler alert, but they allthink it's him.
So it's like great movie, great.
At the end, you know, you thinkthere's going to be this huge
fight between super soldiers andit's just like the villain just

(29:43):
was looking for these supersoldiers.
You think he was looking forthe serum and at the end's just
like the villain just waslooking for these super soldiers
.
He's you think you're lookingfor the serum and at the end,
zemo, the villain just kills allthese people who are crying,
cryogenically frozen, because hedoesn't want more super
soldiers.
Yeah, and it was like a reallygreat twist yeah and I just
think that the big airport fightis really cool.

(30:04):
It's earned, but it's like theyjust threw an Avengers movie in
the middle of this movie.
That was a Captain Americamovie, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I get you.
It's this bigger plot thatdeserved more time.
Civil War was a major comicbook event and it was kind of
like nestled.
The actual point of of likejust kind of nestled.

(30:25):
The actual like point of civilwar was kind of nestled right
there inside a captain americamovie yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
It did seem kind of like it works breezed over a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It works, but I just wish we had more of that
happening, yeah, but, um, thereason why I jumped back is
because Tony Stark recruits ayoung lad named Peter Parker,
and that was another thing.
Peter Parker, I love Spider-Man, yes, one of my favorite
superheroes, and it's like theintroduction to this character

(31:01):
is let me go grab him out of hisbedroom and go have him help me
fight these people.
Yeah, and then he ends upgetting his own movie, which is
wonderful, right, yeah, but Ithink part of the problem with a
lot of this stuff, right, isthat we've had we had three
spider-man movies with tobymcguire, then two of them with

(31:25):
andrew garfield.
We've seen his into his.
You know his uh, backstory,right, his origin story, yes,
and so by this point, it's likeI get why they didn't do another
origin story, but it's like whydidn't you kind of do an origin
story, but different?
You know what I mean tointroduce this character, yeah,

(31:45):
a little bit differently.
Besides them just being, yeah,I've been doing this for a
minute and now I'm here which isalso kind of an mcu issue is
when you have these huge momentshappening in these movies, like
a robot trying to drop anentire city on the planet to
blow it up, yeah.
Or aliens attacking New YorkCity, yeah.

(32:06):
And it's like the further alongyou get into the MCU you find
out how many superheroes areactually there, yeah, and it
kind of has that MCU effect oflike where are they at?
Where are they?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
at though.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, where are they at?
Yeah, and it's like where'sDoctor Strange, where's ant-man
and you know all that kind ofstuff?
Right, all these heroes thatexist.
And as you get further downit's like, oh, they exist,
they're just not there.
Yeah, on theseworld-threatening events, yeah,
so it's, it's fine, it'sentertaining.
Yeah, I think, and this iswhere I think the the problem

(32:45):
with it is is they cannot tellthis story, this large story, in
a single movie.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
A lot of these things that are happening would
warrant 10 movies yeah andthey're putting it all into one
movie well, I'm bit as far as,like, the heroes being not at
these like massive events thatare going on.
I feel like there's a littlebit of an explanation in their
own timelines, you know what Imean.

(33:13):
Like, yeah, ant man wasn'tthere for the sokovia event, but
he wasn't connected to theavengers, true?
So how could he have knownabout Ultron and leading up to
it, unless someone had informedhim, he would have been like
everyone else, just they wouldhave seen the event happening on
TV Right.
And then how does he get to theother side of the world in time

(33:34):
?
Okay, in enough time.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
For.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Ant-Man sure, but what about-.
Doctor Strange.
It doesn't give us thetimestamp of when he's fighting
Dormammu, but he is kind offighting a really big problem
for the globe.
Sure, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
But to argue that and counteract that, all of these
sorcerers that are there, yeah,at where I can't remember where
they're located the SorcererMountain, fortress of Solitude,
the Fortress of Sorceritude,sorceritude, I believe it's
called Hogwarts located the umthe sorcerer mountain fortress
of silence, the fortress ofsorceritude, sorceritude I
believe it's called hogwarts,hogwarts, mcu hogwarts.

(34:12):
So they're all at mcu hogwarts,right, all of these sorcerers,
yeah, and they show it happeninglater on where they all.
So they're showing it wherethey're all later on.
They all come to help, yeah,but it's like I don't think what
happens later on is it is worldthreatening, but I feel like a

(34:36):
planet blowing up versus aplanetary takeover is worse well
, but you gotta remember their.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Their goal is to protect the time stone, so it
doesn't matter what dimensionthey're in.
If they need to move adimension, they Well, but you
got to remember their goal is toprotect the Time Stone.
So it doesn't matter whatdimension they're in.
If they need to move adimension, they can, but they
can't compromise the protectionand safety of the Time Stone.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Sure, but they can spare some people.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, it sounds great , but they're not great.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
That's the whole point of the sorcerers, no the
thing is, we can end up, end upcoming up with excuses after
excuses to why it happened inthe lore, and that's perfectly
fine, but at the end of the day,it's because this movie doesn't
have those characters.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, that's really what it is.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
This Avengers team is here and that's all you're
going to see happen.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Even though, if this was, realistically happening
every single event would haveevery single hero there, like we
get eventually.
Yeah, but I mean like because,but seriously in the argument,
like the sorcerers, they're soconsumed with protecting the
time stone and the essence ofthe time stone that they won't
get involved in a lot ofdifferent things.

(35:51):
like like hulk had to debatewith the sorcerer supreme yeah,
like she didn't just get onboard with like hey, you're
traveling from the past to comeand get the time stone to do, or
whatever she's like.
You can't interfere with thesacredness of the timeline.

(36:11):
It's like dude, like you knowbut that's like one person like
but that's what I'm saying is.
I think that that is the epitomeof the ideology of the sorcerer
of the sorcerers of theFortress of Solitude is, the
priorities are like human lifeand protecting the sacred time

(36:33):
stone.
It's like this, like it's outof whack, like protecting the
time stone is a greaterimportance than human life.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
True and so when there's an event, I feel like if
the world blows up, that's notgoing to protect the time stone
well that's what I'm saying,though, is it?

Speaker 2 (36:51):
they can.
They can move the time stone,they can take it away from the
earth.
There's other planets, there'sother dimensions, and galaxies
and universes when have you everseen a sorcerer on another
planet?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
in the MCU.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well, technically, uh-huh, uh-huh, sorcerer Supreme
goes to Thanos' planet.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, but on a spaceship they don't teleport.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Oh well, yeah, I don't know where he goes when he
fights Dormammu, but it's likea dimensional space thing.
Yeah, it's a separate dimension?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I think that there are.
Just because it's such a largefranchise, you're going to have
conflictions.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
No, yeah, there's definitely.
I think that it's just it's forthings like this.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah for debates.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
We can debate about it, but we're not really going
to have a good answer.
I just want everyone to beclear where I'm coming from, my
opinion of the sorcerers fromthe fortress of solitude,
hogwarts, hog, yes, hogwarts.
They do not care about humanlife.
Until they do and come and help, until they're like oh uh, now

(38:03):
we have to protect human life sothat it protects the time stone
, even though, at that point thetime, stone is gone.
Yeah, it doesn't like.
It's like.
In order for us to truly getthe time stone back and
protected, we've got to give itup.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
At that point, when they all come out, the time
stone is gone.
Yes, they have another one, buttheir time stone in their
timeline has been destroyed,correct?
So just so we're clear on thatas well, they are not trying to
protect the time stone at thatmoment well, but no, because
they are, because think about itstrange saw.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
The only way for him to be able to fulfill the
mission of keeping the or a timestone protected is by giving it
to Thanos, so that he'll snaphalf of everybody out of
existence, so that it'llmotivate the remaining Avengers
to go back in time to collectall the stones, to undo what

(38:59):
he's doing, to get him to comeback and fight at the final
in-game battle so that they cankill thanos and all of his
minions in one swoop.
That's what dr strange sees,and he sees that it's so great.
End of it, he'll have a timestone to protect time heist.

(39:19):
Is that not stupid?
Like he's like, oh, the onlyway for me to fulfill my mission
is to kill countless people.
Bring them all back, kill abunch more and get rid of thanos
so that I can protect the timestone.
Yes, so that's what I'm saying.
These, these hogwarts guys.
They care less about human lifeand more about protecting the

(39:42):
sacred stone.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Thor.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Ragnarok All right, thor Ragnarok, another sorcerer.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Loki, oh true, but not in the same sense.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I mean God of Mischief.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Sure, I think his magic's different from the magic
in Hogwarts, because so isScarlet Witch's magic is
different.
You know there's differenttypes of magic, which is weird
to me because it's allwitchcraft well, yeah, but
that's this like there.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I mean, that's kind of pulling from reality, though,
because there is, when you getinto the whole witchcraft stuff,
like there's apparently lightmagic and dark magic, yeah, and
so and they classify it that way, and there's different witches
for different sects that dodifferent things, it's all evil.
But they're trying tomasquerade it as like oh no,

(40:38):
it's not evil, we're good, we'regood witches, we do good stuff.
It's like, yeah, but you'repracticing.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I mean, you're calling upon demons to do magic
literally later on in a moviethey are doing just that yep,
yep, but yeah, not even likelike warping it to make it look
like it's.
Oh, we're doing magic, but it'sgood.
In a movie later on, they aredoing evil magic to benefit

(41:05):
themselves and they don't poseit as being good.
Yeah, so, thor ragnarok,ragnarok, do you what's?
Is this your favorite thormovie?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
no, no, really I actually like dark world better
yeah it's.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
It's a little goofy.
I like ragnarok I like Ragnarok.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I like Ragnarok in the sense of that, Like it is a
fun movie to watch.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Mm-hmm, but it's the starting of demeaning a highly
beloved character for comedy,correct, where early on you had
funny moments, but it wasn't atthe expense of your own
characters, correct?
Yep, that's, but it didn't.
It wasn't at the expense ofyour own characters, correct.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, and they did a lot of things to like build
character development forcertain characters in Thor
Ragnarok and then they retconnedit in the very next Thor movie.
Yeah you're right, because theywere like, okay, jane Porter's
out of the scene.
Yeah out of the scene, yeah.

(42:10):
And now we're gonna start doingmaybe we're gonna allude to the
idea of thor and valkyrie beingking and queen, being exclusive
, yeah, and and like this is thebeginning of their story or
whatever.
And then they do, uh, infinitywar and end game.
And it's like, oh, she's just,she's in charge and she's
babysitting him because he'slost it because he didn't show
up in time, or whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, and I get that.
They built him up for him tolose and be broken down.
Yeah, but they could have doneit better.
That's my one complaint aboutEndgame.
Is Fat Thor, yeah, fat Thor,like he still, he ends up
redeeming himself.
But the problem is, is in orlondon thunder?
He's then built up and brokendown to build himself back up.

(42:51):
They always are bringing downthis character.
Yeah, for him to bring himselfback up, and it just every time.
It's more demeaning every timeyeah, yeah I.
I feel like at some point yougotta let the character develop
yeah, you know a continuousdevelopment, not develop some
and then break them down, tothen have to develop them back
to where he was at before he hasto relearn.

(43:13):
How many times has thor beencast out for him to then prove
himself again?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
yeah, every single movie every single movie.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
So let's talk about black panther.
Okay, I really like this movie.
I think it is a great movie.
There is only one complaintabout it the last fight scene.
If you watch it now, the cg isawful.
It looks like you're watching acut scene from an xbox 360 game

(43:42):
.
It's it's, it's at age, prettypoorly and it's such a shame for
what is a great movie.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Otherwise, yeah, I feel like that's another
character that they just kind ofpulled in and then threw out
Warmonger.
Yeah, you know, like they used,did you?

Speaker 1 (44:00):
see Wakanda Forever.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
The second one, right , yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
They used him in the celestial plane what's crazy is
that's one of only a fewcharacter villains that they've
brought back yeah even for alittle bit.
I think they did it withant-man's villain.
Yes, uh, they did it with redskull, correct?
And they did it with warmonger.
Yeah, and I don't think there'stoo many others.

(44:26):
Correct me if I'm wrong in thecomments.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I mean thanos.
You know, he pops up in severalmovies but they, after his
defeat, after their character'sdone yeah, I guess technically
not, unless you want to countthe beginning of endgame and
then the end of it but, yeah,that is a good movie in that.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, and it's.
It's a good, solid, secludedmovie, but at the same time
introducing more of thischaracter yeah and then we get
one of my favorite, mar one ofmy probably my second favorite
Marvel movie because of theending, and that is Avengers,
infinity War, infinity War.
So we are a little backstory,we are built up for the past

(45:15):
nine years of these movies thatwe just talked about, yes, being
hinted at something larger,something bigger, these things
they call Infinity Stones, whichare pieces of rock that have
immense power and abilitiesassociated with them.
I like rocks, I like rocks.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I like trains.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
So each one has something different.
The time stone that allows youto travel through time, the
power stone that just hasimmense power to it.
Space stone that allows you totravel through time Sorry,
through space.
And then you know.
Space stone that allows you totravel through time Sorry,
through space.
And then you know.
The mind stone, which allowsyou to manipulate people
mentally, sure.
And then the soul stone, whichI never understood what that

(45:57):
actually really does.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, I don't feel like it's ever utilized for
anything.
It's just one of those thingswhere it's like you need it.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I mean it created vision and it created Ultron?
Yeah, no, it didn't createUltron.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
No, I thought the Soulstone was the one that he
had to harvest on the planet.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
No, the Soulstone was the one that was in the staff.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Which one was on the planet.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Which one was on the planet.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Where he had to sacrifice his daughter.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
That was the soul stone.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
That's what we were just talking about the soul
stone.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I was talking about the mind stone.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Okay, well, you said soul stone.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I did.
Then I transitioned into thesoul stone.
Hey, charlie, okay, mind stone,all right.
But then the reality stone,reality stone.
So, anyways, these stones ofimmense power, and it's found
out that a lot of the thingshappening in the background were
all being orchestrated by whatis essentially the series' main

(46:58):
villain, the Infinity Saga'smain villain.
We are talking about ThanosThanos.
We are talking about ThanosThanos.
He wants all of the stones sothat he can utilize their power
to what he claims to be save theuniverse.
Yes, so he, throughout thismovie, is slowly collecting all

(47:20):
the stones, finally getting themall together.
And we are getting all of thesecharacters.
This had, like how manycharacters in it?
Like 40 superheroes throughoutall these movies.
Yeah, something ridiculous,number a lot, and so they are
all just kind of like trying tostop thanos from collecting the
stones throughout this movie.
Yeah, and at the very end, hegets the stones, he snaps his

(47:45):
finger and kills half ofeverybody.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And then we have to walk out of the theater.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
That is one of my favorite moments because
everybody oh dark.
Seriously bear with me At thispoint after watching Marvel
movies for so long.
Right, yeah, it was the sameold.
Same old In the sense thatyou're going to have the hero
fight the villain and thevillain's going to lose and
we're going to wait to the endcredits to watch the next thing.

(48:15):
And at this moment we hadThanos winning, everybody losing
.
We're watching all of thesesuperheroes literally blow away
in the wind, turning to dust.
Yeah, I don't feel so good.
I don't feel so good, mr stark,and just the sadness in the room

(48:38):
was such a different tone, yeah, and it's gonna I'm gonna sound
awful, but I laughed because itwas so seriously in the movie
theater when we watched thatmovie and everybody was just
usually you walk out of anAvengers movie and you're
cheering and clapping yeah, itwas like walking out of a
funeral, dang, it was so somber,yeah, and the emotion of the

(49:00):
room got to me so much and myonly reaction was laughing
because it was insane that thismovie franchise that I've been
predicting for years and it'sbeen the same old, same old
surprised me again.
Mission failed, we'll get themnext time.
So I was.
I love that ending, that songthat they play, with Thanos

(49:21):
walking out onto the porch ofhis little planet house thing
and sitting down and just likenodding his head like I did it,
and it cuts to the credits.
Yeah, yes, we get another movie.
What was that song?
It was like just like a.
Was it part of the score?
Yeah, it was part of the score.
It's called porch porch, yeah,so, yes, we, the avengers, lost,

(49:49):
yeah, and then we had to waittwo movies another year, right,
and they came out with a lot ofpeople's least favorite movie,
ant-man and wasp.
And ant-man and wasp was reallygood, yeah, and that
post-credit scene tied into whyAnt-Man is still alive.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
And then we had Captain Marvel.
Yeah, captain Marvel is an okaymovie, and that's all I'll say
about that.
It's just introduced to this.
The character itself is justway overpowered, and she proves
that even in, like in endgame,yeah, where she is way
overpowered.

(50:25):
That's true.
She is.
She is quite tremendouslyoverpowered, powerful, so
endgame and let's, we'll stopand talk about in-game for a
minute.
So everybody, half the world,half the universe, is dead.
They're gone.
Yeah, so everybody in thisworld.
It's like what is it?

(50:45):
Five, six years after the, theycall it the snap, the snap or
the blip.
Later on, they call it the blip, yeah uh, I guess I need to go
back well, they call it the blipafter Endgame.
But five years have passed andpeople are still alive.
So Thanos' idea was if he werelike, instead of stupidly, it

(51:05):
shows why he's so crazy, right,yeah, is that he thinks that the
world is overpopulated I meanthe universe is overpopulated.
So to solve for world hungerhe's just going to eliminate
randomly half the universe.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
So that there'll be enough to feed everybody, which
is arguable.
Why didn't you use the stonesto feed everybody instead of
killing everybody?
And people say that as aloophole, and I see it as how
insane.
He is.
Yeah, well, but really in thecomic it's he he's trying to
impress a lady.
He's trying to impress a lady,which is essentially the Grim

(51:42):
Reaper, and he's like I'll gether attention by killing as many
people as possible, isn't itHela, though no, it's a
different character.
That kind of is like Hela.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Okay, because that was my thing, and, like with
Thor Ragnarok, they introduceHela as the villain.
But it's like she's beentrapped and now she's been
released because the power ofher father is fading and so
she's able to get out of herimprisonment, and now she's
trying to go back on a global ora galactic conquest.

(52:12):
You know now that she's freed,but like I think it's at least
in the MCU.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
It's a different character because Lady Death has
been introduced at this point.
Gotcha In the stories, wait,who was she introduced Agatha
all along, I believe.
I never watched it, so that isfull of witchcraft, so I kind of
skipped that one.
I just have heard that LadyDeath is in that one.
I'm trying to pull up Thanos'girlfriend death is in that one

(52:41):
I'm trying to pull up thanosgirlfriend, thanos girlfriend,
what?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
if you came up as a picture on that, we just search
it.
And it was you.
It kept on.
The top search was thanosgirlfriend squid game.
What?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
yeah, oh, because there's a, uh, there's a
character in that who called.
He's a rapper who calls himselfthanos okay, there we we go.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Okay, yeah, love interest is Lady Death, the
cosmic entity andpersonification of death itself.
Thanos' infatuation with LadyDeath drives many of his actions
in the comics, including hisgoal of assembling the Infinity
Gauntlet and wiping out half ofall life in the universe in an

(53:17):
attempt to impress and win herfavor.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I feel like that would have been a better thing.
That would have been a betterthing.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
for sure, it would have made so much more sense.
But they went with a loophole,like something that has a
loophole.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
But at the same time, it's almost like it's, you know
, when you get into theHollywood's actually just giving
you the information of what theworld order is trying to do,
like it's the propaganda that'sputting out the hints of, like
this is what's going to happen.
It feels that way.

(53:56):
Like Thanos, he's the bad guy,but they're trying to, you know,
humanize him by saying likehe's coming at it from it may be
wrong, but he's coming at itfrom a good angle, where he's
trying to promote life ratherthan so instead of having this
all encompassing evil person,they tried to make him relatable

(54:17):
to some degree trying to saylike, hey, he's not bad, it's
just the decision he made wasbad and and so you know.
But then you look at, like someof the stuff that we get into as
a society, where it's like warsthat don't make any sense, but
it's like it's in the name offreedom, protecting people and

(54:37):
freedom and stuff, and then likeeverything with the with 2020
that went down, yeah, with theglobal pandemic, all the stuff
that went on.
I'm not going to say too muchbecause I don't want to lose
another episode, which here'sthe thing that's crazy that we
cannot have public discoursefive years removed about

(54:58):
something without gettingcensored, like what.
We should be able to talkfreely about it.
But for some reason, this hasbecome so politicized and
they've tried to chalk it up tolike how, how we view it, yeah,
how bad, like it was so bad.
It was like, well, as far asviruses go, it wasn't that bad,

(55:20):
but everything around it made itreally bad, you know?
So I don't know, man, and eversince then, year after year
after year, there's just been alot of bad things that are
happening, and they're happeningin the name of good things,
yeah, and it's like what theheck are we doing?
So that's my opinion.

(55:41):
Got a little political there,but it almost feels like,
because, I mean, endgame cameout in 2019.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
18, 19.
19.
Same year, kingdom Hearts 3came out.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah, there you go, yeah, yeah.
But, that's my point is.
And then what happens thefollowing year?
That's when the kickoff of allthe insanity that's been
happening the past five years.
2020 is the starting point, youknow, like we go into this
crazy event and then in 2022,people start slowly getting back
into the normal things andthey're like what happened the

(56:16):
past two years?
I feel like I don't know.
I feel like the world stoppedor a bunch of stuff happened
that we like it was just weird.
And then you know, every yearsince then it's been crazy thing
after crazy thing that in thepast we would have just chalked
it up to coincidence.
But now we're getting all theinfo and saying like, oh my gosh

(56:37):
, what that?
Like?
Okay, when we talked about thehurricane yeah that swept
through.
It was supposed to be a hundredyear storm, but it was chaotic.
And coincidentally, there'scobalt right in the area that
that hurricane went through anddecimated everybody.
Coincidentally, there's agovernment contract to a private
company that's trying to mineall that crap and, and you know

(56:58):
so, it's like now, every singlestorm there's like a conspiracy
theory behind it, ever since2020.
So, anyways, that's my rant andrave.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
That is your mini corner of this episode.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, we could get into it, but we're not going to.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
So end game, End game .
I love this movie.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's a good movie, good, pretty good, and the
wizards finally help out thewizards, finally help out.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
So a quick summary uh , thanos in in game.
Uh, infinity war one.
So now all the heroes decide toget together yeah, to go back
in time, because ant-manaccidentally discovered time
travel, time heist, and so theygo.
Decide to go back in timebecause Ant-Man accidentally
discovered time travel, timeheist, and so they decide to go
back in time to steal all theInfinity Stones from

(57:46):
corresponding past events of theMarvel Universe, to come back
there to snap their fingers,snap, do the snap again, bring
everybody back and then go bringthe stones back.
Correct, at this point, theyhad found Thanos.
They killed Thanos, yes, and now, while they're traveling back
in time a past Thanos— Finds outabout it, finds out about it,

(58:08):
gets saucy about it, gets saucyabout it and comes back with
them to the future, to thepresent Well, to the present.
And now there's a huge fightthat happens, one of the coolest
fight scenes in movies,definitely a great one and they
fight thanos, they win, they,and spoiler again, we're gonna

(58:32):
be spoilers and the person whohas to do the snap is Tony Stark
, iron man, and he dies.
It felt good because we finallylost something and again, it
wasn't just another cookiecutter Marvel movie.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
There was actual real consequences in this movie.
Sure, there was actual realconsequences in this movie.
And we end with Captain Americadeciding to bring all the
stones back and he decides tostay in the past.
Essentially yes, because he wasa time traveler, like he was
frozen cryogenically.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
He didn't like any of the modern women he wants his
lady.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
So he had to go back in time, but it's such a great,
neat bow on the top of thisMarvel present.
Yeah, like this movie is notthe best Marvel movie, but they
pay off so much that it's worthit.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yeah yeah, it's not no Winter Soldier, am I right?

Speaker 1 (59:39):
You are right about that, sir.
So after that we get againanother not incredible movie.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
But one that pays off so much that it hits you good
in nostalgic feels and it buildsup and pays off, and that's
Spider-Man no Way Home.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
No, I apologize, it's not noway home, it's uh far from home,
yeah I just realized this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
The reason that the wizards weren't helping out
until infinity war and end gameis because why would wizards
help muggles?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
There's definitely a stigma there, so I guess it
wasn't until the wizard way oflife was being infringed on that
they decided to jump in andhelp.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
That's what it is.
So, yeah, and I'm going to kindof go through these quickly,
because after Infinity War therewas not that many good movies,
so we had Spider-Man, far fromhome.
Okay, that was good, but I justfeel like all I remember is the
great climactic moment of peterfighting all the robots and all

(01:00:52):
that stuff you know, and thenhim catching the gun.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, and it's like the sunglasses he's
pointing at him, but it's reallya gun and far from home was
frustrating because it was likeyou're dealing with a like an
actual magician, not like asorcerer supreme right somebody
using illusion yeah illusionistand it's like hey, you're, I'm

(01:01:16):
making you punch yourself in theface and you're like stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Some of the best visuals of like that mind
trickery and loopiness that'slike is this real, is it not?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I liked that in that movie have you seen the real,
where it's uh peter kissing um?
Mary jane mary jane and then,it's Mysterio cutting like
gotcha, Sick.
Yeah, Mysterio like changes hisappearance back from.

(01:01:46):
He was pretending to be MaryJane, so he looked like Mary
Jane and then they kiss and thenMysterio's like gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
So anyways, that's a good movie.
And then this is where we startgetting hit and miss, hits and
misses and eventually a lot ofmisses, and that is starting
with black widow.
Black widow story was okay midit was mid, thank you, but it

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was just so demeaning.
There was not a single malecharacter in that movie that was
portrayed in any positive light.
It was like one of those.
It started that it was verymuch a feminist movie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
That's probably why it was mid.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Probably why it was mid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
When you make those distinctions and say like, hey,
you're lesser or you're bad justbecause of your gender, then
you cut out an entire-.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
It didn't blatantly flat out say it, but you can
kind of tell that's what themessage was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
I mean, yeah, it was pretty obvious, like guys are
either dumb or bad.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah.
So yeah either dumb or bad.
Yeah and so yeah.
And when you do that again, Ilike the character ulana and I
like the character red guardian.
Yeah, they're good charactersand they do fix them later on
but, in this particular movie.
it's not great, and it's alsoanother MCU problem.

(01:03:15):
Of these characters wereintroduced in this movie, right
yeah, and they might be good inanother movie, but you have to
watch this new movie or knowwhat happens in this movie to
watch the next movie.
Sure, it's like one giant storyyou have to watch everything
for or you're going to misssomething important.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah, yeah.
I guess what I was getting atis like I don't know if the
movie is necessarily awful, butwhen you're targeting a
demographic in a negative light,the demographic just tunes out.
I know that's what happened tome.
I'm not trying to throw shadeon the movie, I just tuned out

(01:03:57):
because I can only take so muchof being like, hey, because
you're this, you're awful sinner, but I've been saved by grace,
by the Lord Jesus Christ, andnow my new identity is in Christ

(01:04:20):
, and Christ is perfect andChrist is holy.
So that makes me holy becauseChrist is in me, amen.
And so, yeah, I mean I'll putit that way I am without Christ,
I'm a wretched sinner and Ineed help.
But I've got Christ.
So I I feel the value of Christrushing through my veins.

(01:04:41):
So, yeah, it's like why would Iwatch something that's just
going to tell you that you'reawful?
Yeah, bring me down.
It's like I don't care what youthink about me, I've been made
new.
I'm a new man in Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
So, and that's it's subtle in this movie, where
later on it's very blatant inits bashing of specific, mostly
men, a lot of times.
Yeah, but Shang-Chi and theLegend of the Ten Rings.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
What did you think of that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
movie.
I liked it.
I liked that movie too.
It is, I mean, besidesAwkwafina you know, I'm kidding,
I'm kidding, I'm just tiredshe's one of those actresses
that is showing up in everythingright now and I feel like she's
not a really different in anyof it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah, she is one of those characters.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
She's a character yeah, she's the one.
She doesn't change how she acts.
Yeah, it's a good kung fu movie, but it doesn't really fully
tie into too much, besideshinting at a past villain in it
for three seconds, which was theabomination.
Uh, another movie that's awfulthe eternals.
Yeah, yeah, some alphabet likealphabet community a lot in this

(01:05:49):
movie, so skip it.
But the only thing you need toknow about this movie is that at
the end, a giant is living inthe earth like us, a egg, and it
tries to hatch out and theyturn it to a metal which ends up
being vibranium oh yeah, yep,forgot about that now let's talk

(01:06:10):
about the what I think is thebest spider-man movie, which is
no way home, that's just becauseit's got uh
because of deep nostalgia.
Yeah, so, like I talked aboutearlier, there was two different
actors who played spider-man indifferent, uh, film franchises,
franchises.
So spider-man with toby mcguire, then the amazing spider-man

(01:06:31):
with andrew garfield to tobymcguire the mcguire yeah so.
So in this movie, peter Parkerteams up with Spider-Man, teams
up with Doctor Strange, andaccidentally opens up a rift to
other universes.
Correct, because he was tryingto fix the fact that everybody
found out he was Peter Parker.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
And so he wants everybody to forget it.
And then, somehow or another,the magic that Doctor Strange
does opens up a rift and pullsin all of these past movie
villains for the Tobey Maguiremovies and the Andrew Garfield
movies.
And then, in some of the bestmoments revealed, so does Tobey

(01:07:14):
Maguire and Andrew Garfield showup in this movie.
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
So does Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield show up in
this movie.
Yep, I'm not going to dog thismovie too much, but the whole
like what Peter Parker tries todo in the movie it really comes
across as like freaky Fridaymagic, you know what I mean.
Like it's like I want everyoneto forget who I am and then he
just wakes up and then there'sjust a bunch of random people

(01:07:39):
that know who he is and they'reall here Right From other
universes, other universes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
So this is really the start of the multiverse.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
So Correct and we can all blame yet again the wizard.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
The wizard.
Speaking of the wizard, why isJim being so mean to the wizard?
Or why is Jim treating themagician?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
so poorly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.
Do not watch this movie.
Yeah, it is not a bad movie.
We watched it so that you don'thave to Correct.
It is not a bad movie.
I think the movie is good.
It executes its story very well, but it is heavily satanic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
It is demonic.
It has a lot of blatant demonicwitchcraft magic in it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
This is the one we were referencing earlier, where
he is using blatant demons andcorpses and all these awful
things to his advantage in ayeah, in a conjuring way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
He yeah, he's using a book of dark magic to be able
to fix the issue that he has,which is a wanda who's trying to
get the same dark magic to gether hypothetical children into
her reality.
She's seen them in otherrealities so she knows they

(01:09:04):
exist in other realities, butshe wants them to exist in her
reality so at this point, by theway, marvel is now putting out
tv shows.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yes, so we didn't talk about it, but she lost
vision, her husband, who is arobot her, well, not her husband
, her lover her lover.
You're this true, yep?
And so she has gone and takenover a whole city and created
like this fantasy world forherself let's be, let's not be
too generous.
It's a township, it's smallyeah, but she's created this

(01:09:37):
whole reality for herself withher magic.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
She's used her magic to imprison the people that live
there, to create her perfectlittle world, to create a little
90s sitcom.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
It was different sitcoms from the 50s, 60s, 70s,
80s.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Throughout the ages, I guess.
But yeah, she's trying tocreate a sitcom environment
where she still has vision andher and Vision have kids in this
reality.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
So she goes through all that, and this is again the
beginning of belittlingcharacters.
I think more they do it a lotin the TV shows, yeah, where she
builds this out, they stop her,but she's all doing it just to
have her perfect little life,yeah.
And you find out that there'sanother witch in this bubble

(01:10:24):
trying to siphon off and kind oflive in this reality and
benefit from it, and that'sAgatha.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
All along, all along, and so she is using this evil
book to help her with this andWanda ends up beating her and
getting this dark book.
Well, the reason that she'sthere is because she believes
that Wanda is the red phoenix orsomething like that I think

(01:10:52):
they never call Wanda theScarlet Witch.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
That is what she thinks she is is the Scarlet
Witch.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Yeah, agatha thinks that W is is the scarlet witch.
Yeah, agatha thinks that wandais the scarlet witch, which is
like a lore.
Um, essentially it's a witch,messiah.
Yeah, that's what it'sportrayed as, and so she's
trying to get the power that'sinside wanda and extract it, and
then wanda ends up defeatingagatha, getting then embracing

(01:11:19):
the scarlet witch identity.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
And then, where wanda was kind of neutral correct,
closer to good, but kind ofneutral she now has this evil
book.
So in dr strange in themultiverse of madness, she is
now, uh, utilizing that book totry to go to another multiverse
so she can have her childrenagain, and so the whole movie is

(01:11:42):
this girl from another universewho can travel from multiverse
to multiverse.
That's her power.
Wanda is after her to utilizeher power to go to another
universe and I've talked aboutseveral times.
The biggest issue to me withthis movie is that they should
have had that a creature chasingthem.
And then the twist is Wanda wasthe villain, yeah, but they

(01:12:06):
reveal immediately at thebeginning of the movie that
Wanda is the villain, correct,and so that was my biggest
problem with that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Outside of the satanicness, yeah, and I mean
the show was pretty good, mywife loved it, but then they
came out with the movie and itruins the character and it
almost takes away from all thedevelopment that happened in the
show again.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
It's a marvel problem recently that they build up and
develop a character just totear them back down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Well it it feels more like and develop a character
just to tear them back down.
Well, it feels more likethey're not getting directors
who are on board with theoverall vision of the story and
they want to do their creativewhatever.
And so because I mean we talkedabout this they were going to
have one director do DoctorStrange and then, out of nowhere

(01:12:57):
, they had another guy and he'sknown for his horror stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I can't even Sam Raimi Raimi, which is the same
director who directed the threeTopi McGuire Spider-Man movies
yeah, oh, sam.
Raimi Sam Raimi, but he alsodirected the Evil Dead.
Yeah, yeah, and some otherhorror stuff.
So it's, the movie is veryhorror.
Yeah, it, and some other horrorstuff.
So the movie is very horror.
Yeah, it's very deeply horrorand really disturbing imagery in
it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah, and they kind of I feel like they wasted some
good cameos because they pulledsome really great like I mean
Professor from X-Men yeah, he'sin it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Patrick Stewart's in it, a lot of John Krasinski as
Mr he's in it.
Uh, patrick stewart's in it.
Um, a lot of john krasinski asmr fantastic is in it.
Yeah, which he's in that,because that was a fan favorite,
what everybody wanted him toplay that character.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
But I'm just saying like they, they could have
utilized that cameo elsewhereyeah, in a better way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yeah, because it's so short of a moment and I think
all these characters should havebeen in it more.
Yeah, so let's get off of thesatanic movie.
Yeah.
Moving on Into the in myopinion, the worst Marvel movie,
oh, thor, love and Thunder.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Oh man, but it's about love at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Yeah, and it's literally a character.
It's so stupid.
All right, what I'm going tosay about this movie is that
they take Thor again, build themup from the previous movie,
after he is, you know, hadanother revelation about himself
and broke them back down.
Yes, and it's just such poorwriting.
I'm sorry, but they have hisweapon, which is a hammer, yes,

(01:14:40):
and, uh, his in an axe, right,they're sentient now.
They have feelings and emotionsin this movie and it's just
like the whole movie is themjust.
The only good thing about thismovie is that one awesome
dialogue from christian bellplaying gore gorn I've only seen
this movie once and I,christian Bale playing gore Gorn
I've only seen this movie once.

(01:15:01):
Yeah, gore.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Gore.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
And he is having his dialogue in the black and white
world.
It's just Christian Bale actinggood, and so, besides that,
it's just so demeaning to allthe characters.
The final fight is not evenreally Thor.
He gives his power to a bunchof kids and they fight for him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, almost promoting child slavery Kind of
Now.
Yeah, there were some problemswith Thor, love and Thunder that
I do like the ending in thesense that, like the reason that
the villain is doing what he'sdoing is because he loses his

(01:15:43):
only child due to the vanity ofthese, this class of entities
that have deified themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
And so he.
Everything about this moviethat concerns Christian Bale is
good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah, so he's on a quest to try and destroy all the
gods of the universe and at theend, like Thor and company,
realize where he's coming fromand realize the way to defeat
him is to bring love back intohis life.
Yeah, and love is his onlydaughter yeah literally named

(01:16:20):
love.
Yeah, literally name up, butthey're able to.
I can't remember how they do it, but they are able to bring her
back, because isn't it like anentity that can make a wish?
yeah, what he was after yeah,it's kind of what it is, and so
they they make the wish to bringher back and gore christian
bill's character is like hegives up and is at peace with it
, and natalie portman'scharacter also ends up dying

(01:16:44):
from it.
But you're left with the littlegirl, love and four, and he's
essentially finally has singlefather, yeah, something to take
care of, who something to takecare of, who has something to
take care of, and herelinquishes the identity of
being the deity Thor and beingthe dad Thor.

(01:17:05):
He goes throughout the universehelping people, because that's
what love wants to do.
Love wants to help people.
Yeah, you know so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Yeah, it's just, it's a decent story in there, but
it's just so wrapped in thisdemeaning, really goofy comedy.
Yeah, that just really takesyou out of what they're trying
to show in this movie.
Agreed, so let's talk aboutblack panther for a second.
Black panther, wakanda, forever.

(01:17:33):
I don't want to talk about itfor too long, sure, but just I
want to talk about these nexttwo because they're okay.
One I enjoy Marvel movies.
I'll watch them and I enjoymost of them Thor and Love and
Thunder.
I hated because it didn't feellike a real Marvel movie.
Yeah, it didn't have the heartof Marvel movies, but Black

(01:17:56):
Panther and Ant-Man and the WaspQuantumanium they're both okay
movies.
Yeah, they're not great.
Marvel hasn't been great in awhile.
It's just like they're makingthem for essentially the lowest
tier of their fans at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
So just both those movies again.
Movies guardians of the galaxy,volume three, was good.
I did like that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
The first swear word in all marvel the first f word,
the first f word in all ofmarvel, and that was like the
big deal about the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
They made a huge deal and it's done in the stupidest
way.
Like I'm not.
Like, I'm not saying cussing isokay, but there was so many
other ways they could have usedthat in that movie.
If that's what they were goingto do, yeah, and it would have
been a better moment Like a hypemoment, right, but no, it's
used as a very quick, witty joke.
Yeah.

(01:18:51):
So, james Gunn, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Watch your profanity.
Watch your profanity, yeah, Iwant.
I do want to say about theblack panther movie though that
was a legitimate retcon becausethe bozeman died in real life
like it's not really a retcon,because they killed him off in
that movie but I mean, like, asfar as the character black
panther, chadwick bosman diesfrom cancer, but they're still

(01:19:18):
trying, they're still scheduledto like so a wreck do this, and
so they're, they're having.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
You're right, they didn't wreck on it, but I'm just
saying like they had toredesign and shift everything
sure to make a second blackpanther movie, yeah, which
really honestly, in reality,they just shouldn't have made a
second Black Panther movie.
They introduced Riri Williamsin this, which is Ironheart,
which her show just came out.

(01:19:43):
It's not good Again.
It introduces a major Marvelvillain in that movie.
I mean in that show, like atthe last minute.
Who was it?
Mephisto?
Oh Spoilers, yeah.
Show late like at the lastminute.
Who wasn't mephisto?

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
oh spoilers, yeah, that is technically 2025, so
whoops, but whatever.
Wait, ironheart, who's thatsupposed to be?
That's the one who also has aniron man suit, but it's a chick
oh, I thought you were sayingthat the that, uh, the black
panther's sister becameironheart.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
No, riri williri Williams is in Wakanda, Forever
that character, and then shejust got her own show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Who is she in Wakanda Forever?

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
She's the girl with the Iron man suit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
I'll have to go back and watch it.
I don't remember the Iron mansuit popping up, so talking.
Did you see, though, that theactress who plays the Black
Panther sister, shiri Shiri, shebecame a Christian Really, she
got saved and she walked awayfrom Hollywood Really.

(01:20:42):
Yeah, she was like I got saved,I believe in Jesus and I love
Jesus, and so I'm stepping awayfrom my career to focus on my
faith.
Nice, and I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
So they're going to have to retcon again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah, so I don't know what they're going to do, but
yeah, so she was like she did aninterview and that's what she
said in the interview.
So she might be back on thescreen again in the future, but
right now she's focusing on theLord, good good, you know who
wasn't focusing on the Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Doctor Strange, no, Deadpool and Wolverine oh yeah,
they weren't either.
That is a Marvel MCU movie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
A very naughty nasty one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
So there is that one curse in one F-bomb, as they say
in Guardians of the Galaxy,volume 3.
As they say, the other700-something F-bombs.
700?
It's a ridiculous number, it isa lot, as in Deadpool and
Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah, all in one movie.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yeah, and then let's quickly talk about this year's
movies.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
And all I'll say is that Captain America, brave New
World, thunderbolts andFantastic Four are all good
movies.
Okay, they have progressivelygotten better in my opinion.
Yeah, on, you know, with thatlike where Brave New World was

(01:22:07):
mid but entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
It's just like.
It's almost like somethinghappened, that they had to redo
the movie because a lot of thevisuals were pretty bad.
But at the end of the day thestory was good and the execution
was decent.
Thunderbolts was good.
It was above mid in my opinion.
Mm-hmm, really.
And as of recording this,fantastic Four just came out
last weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Incredible movie.
Yeah, it looks pretty good, itwas really really good.
So a lot of and then kind ofgetting off topic.
Superman came out this year,totally different color.
I know, but what I'm saying iswhen we're talking about
superhero movies, when you havefour superhero movies come out
in the same year and they're allgood.

(01:22:51):
I'm kind of excited for MCU'sfuture right now.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yeah, I want to believe that Disney has
hemorrhaged so much moneybecause of the bad decisions
they've made in production.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Mm-hmm that they are finally getting their act
together.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
They're actually realizing like, hey, we've lost
so much money and it's notbecause of anything out of our
control, it's 100% in ourcontrol, and so we need to
figure out how to get back ontrack.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
To my understanding they had gone.
The reason why visually, braveNew Captain America, brave New
World visually looks weird andit's kind of odd of a movie,
yeah, is that starting last year, they started going back and
taking out a lot of the alphabet, community and wokeness that

(01:23:46):
they had in these movies, yeah,uh, they were seeing that these
things were not bringing thecrowds in like they thought it
was going to.
Yeah, so they went in and tookout a lot of plot points and
storylines that they had in thismovie, right, true, and it cost

(01:24:07):
them visuals.
At the end, the last fight inthat movie goes back to looking
like a video game instead ofrealistic, to looking like a
video game instead of realistic,yeah, and so I guess they
started that and didn't havetime to finish the visuals in
some parts of the movie, yeah,and then you look at
Thunderbolts and it's again.
It feels a little, justdisjointed a little bit, but not

(01:24:29):
as bad as Captain America.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
And then you get Fantastic Four and there is
nothing.
Captain America, yeah.
And then you get Fantastic Four, and there is nothing wrong
with that movie yeah, At all.
And it makes me think that theydid a heavy pivot and change on
a lot of their content and wewere seeing the effects of it
and it progressively got betterthroughout the year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean here's an example the
live-action Snow White, mm-hmm.
Originally like they shouldhave cast dwarves throughout the
year.
Yeah, yeah, because I mean,here's an example the live
action snow white originallylike they should have cast
dwarves to be the dwarves andthey didn't.
They were trying to beinclusive.
So they said they made sevenmagical beings and everyone got
super upset about it and so theyCGI dwarves.

(01:25:17):
Yeah, back to the originalcharacter, back to the
characters, when it's like youshould have just done dwarves
all along and the problem is isfor that movie the fix wasn't
enough.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
That movie is still bad.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Well, yeah, because it was like you didn't want to
do dwarves, because you didn'twant to be against the political
correctness, and then nobodywants to watch a movie that is
owned solely about politicalcorrectness.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
And then, rather than correcting the issue, you just
try to salvage what's left, andnobody cares.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
They didn't have time to fix Snow White and I think
that they had enough time to doenough to fix Captain America.
Yeah, and that's kind of, in myopinion, how it is.
Yeah, right, I think that I'mhopeful because I think that
movie that just come out, elio,is the same way.
They took out a lot of alphabetrelated things in that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
I would not go see Elio.
Is it still bad?
Well, I was looking at a reviewof it and there's a lot of
stuff that he's doing to try andget aliens to come and abduct
him is a lot of conjuring magic.
Gotcha alluded alluded toconjuring magic.
He's not explicitly castingspells, but like he sets up the

(01:26:36):
different things that he sets upthe different things that he's
doing, it's witchcraft related.
It's witchcraft related Gotcha,and so it's once again.
It's Hollywood puttingsubliminal messaging in the
movie to condition kids to saythis is okay because it's in a
movie that I like.
Yeah, so I would.

(01:26:57):
I'm, as a father, I would not,really I would not be keen on
letting my kids go and watch leofor the blatant witchcraft,
subliminal messaging that's inthe movie that's understandable.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
So, yeah, I think that there's still stuff we're
gonna have in movies.
Yeah, that is bad, but they areattempting to take out stuff
that they are seeing.
That's not making them money,and I'm all for that.
Improve yourself, because I'dlike to get back to a point
where I feel comfortable takinga child to a disney movie

(01:27:29):
without having to look upwhether or not you should be
able to do it or not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Yeah, yeah.
They just need to get back tomaking what everybody wants to
watch, not what they think 5% ofthe population cares about.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
And I will say again Fantastic Four you can pretty
much let your kid watch.
It's still a little violent ofa movie, is all yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
I'll make that decision myself.
I'm speaking in a general sense, not your child, I'm just
kidding Anyways that's the MCU.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
That's our very brief , but what felt like for you
forever us ranting aboutsorcerers.
Yeah we did get into that a lot, didn't we?
But?

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
we.
I mean, there was no deepdiving going on today.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
No, that's what's crazy.
And how deep and how massivethis franchise is.
Yeah, it might sound like wegot on tangents and deep dives
into this.
This was all incredibly surfacelevel.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Yeah, yeah, there's so much more we could have
gotten into, but we just wantedto give a highlight and just
give a general talk on it and Ienjoyed this talk and it was a
good talk.
Yeah, you know what?
I'm glad that we got to revealthe true darkness of the wizards
that's right and make everybodyrealize that.
You know what, if they're notfor Gondor, then they're not

(01:28:52):
good, that's right.
I don't know out for.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Gondor, then they're not good, that's right, I don't
know.
So anyways, thank you so mucheverybody for joining us on this
episode 46.
46, baby Of the Saints thatServe podcast.
Yeah boy, yeah boy.
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
What is that from?
I don't know.
It's a snippet of some likedude.
He's just like looking dude.
He's just like looking back.
He's going yeah, boy.
So yeah, that's all we've got.
So Christ is Lord and thekingdom is now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
We are the saints that serve what are you feeling

(01:29:53):
so stupid?

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
that wasn't the sound bite, that was me.
What are you feeling so stupid?
That wasn't the sound bite,that was me.
Oh, no, yeah, boy.
No, that's gross.

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