Episode 50 - Biblical End Times

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Is September 23–24, 2023 really the date of Christ’s return? Some prophecy teachers say yes - pointing to the Feast of Trumpets, Jubilee years, and Revelation 12. But history shows every end times prediction has failed, from the Great Disappointment of the 1840s to Harold Camping and the Blood Moon craze.

In this milestone 50th episode, we dive into why date-setting contradicts Jesus’ words that “no one knows the day or hour.” We unpack the hype, expose the selective interpretations driving these claims, and explore what the Bible actually says about preparing for Christ’s return.

True readiness isn’t about chasing prophetic timelines - it’s about living faithfully, sharing the gospel, and walking daily with God.

If you’ve ever been fascinated, frustrated, or even fearful of end times predictions, this episode brings clarity and hope - reminding us that for believers, the return of Christ is not something to fear, but something to anticipate with joy.

Link to the article mentioned in this episode:

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/stars/reflections-september-23-2017/?srsltid=AfmBOooR9Ni3VSm54pqLbr-PLASBxJ24s44btEb1pKsOt4KtwUqlFFH7

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:02):
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This is fun because this isepisode 50, baby, that's right
Over the hill, in a virtualsense, for the podcast, not us.
We're still young and spry, notfor much longer.

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Your sweet 16?
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Yeah, in two years?

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What 16th century?
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I'm still feeling it.

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Oh my gosh.

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No, but yeah, we made a commitment to try and do a
video live stream by episode 50.
And let's just be honest, guys,we said that and we were like
man, life is really busy.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Life is busy and hard and hard.
We've had a lot.
We made a lot of promises by 50and we were not able to keep
them.

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Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
So we're just going to say moving forward, lord
willing, rather than we're goingto, we're just going to say hey
, when we have something that isconcrete and it is for sure
going to happen, we will let youknow, instead of making
promises.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
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No, I'm not going to promise that, no, but the big
thing that we got coming up isepisode 52.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I wanted to talk about that.
So typically podcasts have aepisode 50, big deal over the
hill kind of thing.
That's not going to be us thisone.
Yeah, no, because our one-yearanniversary Is in two weeks Is
in two weeks and that I'm prettysure it's on the day as well

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that the episode comes out.
Mm-hmm Is, episode 52 is ourone-year anniversary, so that's
going to be our big anniversarystream.
Oh, not stream, sorry episode,Episode.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
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like look back on the year andtalk about our favorite things
and strap in because it's goingto be a long one.
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And yeah, that's pretty much itfor announcements and intros
and all that stuff.
So, but we did have a comment.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
So I'm not going to I'm not going to read it, but I
want to shout out to Ashleyvirtual high five.
Just did it just now forguessing correctly Zoolander is
the movie.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I got the black lung pop.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Mm-hmm, that is from Zoolander.
And then we had some commentsfrom a YouTuber called ResLight.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Mm-hmm, and this is on the Jehovah's Witness episode
.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yes, so episode 49.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
No Episode 48.
48.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking on the Jehovah's
Witness episode.
Yes, so episode 49.
Episode 48.
48, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
That's what I was thinking, because last week's
episode was the Flat Eartherversus Round Earther no.
That was a joke, guys.
Calm down.
The New Earth versus Old Earth,yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, fun conversation.
I actually talked with Sam onthe phone today yeah I was like
dude, don't listen to episode,he's behind on episodes just
like dude, just get 49 becauseit'll turn your ears.
Red because we talk aboutyounger, the older things like
oh man um, anyways, red's light.
Thanks for commenting.

(05:02):
You know this is not like I'mnot being mean or trying to jab,
but they definitely left us anovel.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
For their comments.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
It was two comments.
And it was only two commentsbecause they ran out of space on
the first one and continuedwhat they were saying on the
second one.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, it's kind of a dissertation to say, like Je
Jehovah's Witness, theorganization today is wrong and
bad.
But Russell Tays.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Something Tays Russell.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Something.
Tays Russell sorry, it's adefense for him because he would
disagree with the Jehovah'sWitness of today.
But yeah, he would disagreewith the Jehovah's Witness of
today, but yeah.
So I didn't really do anin-depth thing, but basically
they're saying that theorganization Jehovah's Witness
is corrupt and wrong and peopleneed to get back to the true

(05:58):
Bible study or students of theword, which is what Taze started
.
So same same, but different, Iguess.
But yeah, thanks for commenting.
I am going to be honest.
I will try to look into whatyour belief is.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
But we don't have a rebuttal yet.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I don't have a rebuttal and I don't really know
yeah, I don't really know if Ineed to rebuttal.
So there we go.
So, anyways, thanks forcommenting.
Res, light and ashley and um,that's all we've got, so we're
gonna go into our main topic.
So, tyler, this is yourtransition into in times.

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I like trains.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I don't have a horn, so that's the.
There we go, the rapture hornyeah, end Times Prophecy.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
So for all those out there who are not believers in
Jesus Christ and he comes back,everyone will know that he's
back and they will have to givean account for why they didn't
believe in him.
So hope you got that speechready.
Jesus, please no you knowthat's a little bit of a jest

(07:26):
and jab there, but, um,something's coming up in
september yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
So we're going to kind of talk about the end times
but also talk about the I don'tknow I don't want to really use
the word cult because I don'tthink they're all cults, but
really just people, modern daypeople or just people in general
, predicting the end times.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, the prophetic camps, right, the prophecy
predictors, or chasers if youwill.
They're always producing aprediction for when Christ will
be back.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
And so this one in a couple of weeks is just the next
one yeah, so it's september23rd and 24th is the feast of
trumpets.
So what is?
Who is claiming this?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
it's I don't know who would be the point person, but
it's an online speculation thatdifferent individuals are
putting out there.
Okay, so a Facebook group Gotit Not even that.
No, with the progression of thecombination of short content

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videos and AI people are okay.
People are producing contentthat catches more attention.
Yeah, and so what would be?
Fringe is now mainstream, andit's because they've got the

(09:00):
editing software through AI, tobe able to make their content
better.
Anybody can make anythingnowadays through something like
ChatGPT, yeah, so, but yeah,it's no one person, it's a bunch
of different individuals, Iwould say, that are saying,
because of these differentthings that they heard through

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the echo chamber of the internetmarket, that they're all
putting out their own contentwith the different similarities
and so somebody is out there,one or two people said it.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
it gained traction and these people who were
creating this content latchedonto that because they saw that
it was going to gain them moreviews than normal I.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
That's.
What I would say is that it'speople are realizing that
because someone has put acompelling argument out for a
prophecy prediction, it willcatch traction because this is
what it has going.
The number one thing it hasgoing for it is this hasn't
happened yet.
Yeah, could be right, becauseit hasn't happened yet yeah, all

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you need is that one.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
But what's crazy to me is like okay, so you're right
, right, you're, you're right,and here it is.
Well, you said september 23rdor 24th or 24th.
Here it is september 23rd, 24th, trumpets blow.
What did you gain?
Like, you know what I mean.
I mean praise the Lord, praisethe Lord.
Yes, I'm talking about in thesense of like, what did this

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individual gain for being right?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
No, yeah, yeah.
I don't want to look at it inthat light.
Like they're just, I mean someof them probably.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Well, the reason I say that is like why even bother
making the prediction?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I mean it's a cultural thing for a certain
camp of dispensationalChristians.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's just like.
What do they get out of it?
If they're right, saved orunsaved, like earthly-wise, what
do they gain out of it?
Obviously, it's eternalsalvation, and you know what I
mean.
Like you get to live forever inheaven or in hell, like right
or wrong, but you know what Imean.
Like you get to live forever inheaven or in hell, like right
or wrong, but you know what Imean.
It's just like there is no truevalue like earthly gain,

(11:12):
whether you're right or wrong,because you're not going to run
around and say see, I told you,I told you so you know what I
mean.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, right now there is earthly value because the
more people that view the videos, right.
But I'm saying more views theyget.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
So their intentions aren't god godly, their
intentions is earthly for them,and that's kind of my point is
like the only way is to warn,like the real true value is to
warn.
Hey, uh, this is when it'shappening, this is how long you
have to get right with God, butin reality we should be doing

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that anyways Correct, and Ithink that's what we'll end the
episode on and kind of oursummary and take.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I do want to give some like positive view to this,
because there are definitelypeople that the reason they're
talking about it is becausethey're excited about it,
because it's like, hey, jesusmight be coming back in less
than a month.
Why wouldn't I want to leteverybody know and why wouldn't

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I want to physically express myexcitement over that?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
And that is a good positive, but we're also talking
about the people who are makingvideos and trying to get clicks
and views off of it as well.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
yeah, I I can't fully speak for them, but I can only
speculate that their intentionsmore than, or are probably not,
god oriented or god centric yeah, maybe it's too muddy of a
situation because, you're right,there's definitely people that
they're doing a 100% for theincrease in popularity of videos

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, but I think some people theylook at their online content
less as like I'm going to becomebig and famous, and more as a
moderator of a community forcontent.
That's what I've noticed.
Moderator of a community forcontent that's what I've noticed
.
Some things like the guy overit.
He has zero cares about howwell his channel does.

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It's more about the contentthat he's putting out is very
specific and so it's more socreating a platform for
like-minded people to have adialogue about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
See, I guess from my point of view of it, it's like I
wouldn't okay.
First off, we're not going toknow.
I think that is a key thingthat we need to say.
It's biblically.
It says we do not know the dayor the hour when the Lord will
return.
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Matthew 24, just in case anyone was wondering.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Thank you.
But if just by some unbiblicalmiracle, god gave it directly
just to me to say, hey, this isthe day, this is the hour he
told me specifically.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I need you to let everybody know.
My form of letting everybodyknow would not be the internet.
I would be going to thesechurches, I would be going in
the streets and I would besaying it like a crazy person,
letting everybody know to tellthem that way, because I'm sorry
, but internet videos will notbe believed.

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I'll disagree, you will Because.
Will not be believed.
I'll disagree, you will Because.
Okay, if you saw a crazy personon there talking about the
rapture when we're about to getinto how many people have done
that, it just seems so unlikelyto reach as many people as I
could if I was going to themindividually and talking to them

(14:42):
.
Here's the difference.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
A 60-second video where someone pitches their idea
and someone out on a streetcorner pitching their idea.
I am more likely to listen tothe 60-second video all the way
through than I'm to give theperson on the street corner 60
seconds.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Is that because you are not being confronted
face-to-face?
Do you feel more comfortablewatching that?
Because it's not a crazy personin your face, not?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
necessarily me personally.
My thing is, when I'm out inthe public, I'm very
mission-focused.
I've got this that I'm doingand I'm going to do this, or I'm
currently doing this and thisis what I'm here for.
So just the idea of taking timeto just casually open a
dialogue with somebody I'm notbig on.
However, if I'm on my phone andI'm looking at videos, that's

(15:29):
the only thing I'm doing.
I'm not looking for like aspecific video that I just
absolutely need to find.
Most of the time it's just I'mcruising and so if something has
a catch word that catches me,I'll I'll listen to the video.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
so yeah, and, and thinking about it right now, it
just kind of came to me as, likenoah dealt with the exact same
thing.
You know, I mean, hey guys, thisis happening.
Nobody believed him.
Well, I guess I have tobackpedal a little bit, because
it's just like I mean, yeah,I'll get the that I can, but at
the end of the day you can onlydo what you can.

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You know what I mean.
It's not like I'm going to beable to save or inform everybody
.
So I guess using every singlepossible avenue of outsourcing
that information would be thebest bet.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And so I do want to read this.
So Matthew 24, starting inverse 36, and this is, you know
where you you pulled from.
But but concerning that day andhour, no one knows, not even
the angels of heaven, nor theson talking about Jesus, but the
father only.
For as, as were the days ofNoah, so will be the coming of

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the Son of man.
For as, in those days beforethe flood, they were eating and
drinking and marrying and givingin marriage until the day when
Noah entered the ark, and theywere unaware until the flood
came and swept them all away, sowill be the coming of the Son
of man.
Then two men will be in thefield, one will be taken and one

(17:22):
left.
So it goes on and we'llprobably read further on in that
, a little bit longer, a littlebit later in the episode.
But you brought up Noah, so Ijust wanted to show how much
that ties into.
You know what we're talkingabout is.
When it truly comes to thefinal day, it will catch
everybody unaware, except thosewho are prepared for it.

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And Noah didn't know the daythat it would happen.
You know, he just was faithfulto the requirements that God
gave him.
So by faith he built the ark.
It took him 150 years.
By faith, he trusted the Lordwould bring the animals the
right amount of each kind, andby faith, he watched God load
them onto the ark, including thedinosaurs, including the

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dinosaurs.
And then he and his family goton, they shut it up and it was
by his faith the earth flooded.
So you know, I think in hismind he probably was like you
know, whenever this gets done,god's going to flood the earth.
So I need to be faithful andmake sure I get this done.
I don't think that he wasdilly-dallying and like

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twiddling his thumbs and workingon the ark just on the weekends
as a passion project, like Ithink it was.
This was what everything, thiswas what he was doing.
He was getting ready for it andit still took him so long to
get it done.
He was doing, he was gettingready for it and it still took
him so long to get it done, buthe got it done and it was by

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faith that he got it done.
So you know, that's really thefocus that we need to take from
it is as believers.
We know Christ is coming backand it's by faith that we trust
it will be soon, but we trulydon't know when it will be.
And so the argument for that,specifically with what's coming
up the Feast of Trumpetstraditionally the Feast of

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Trumpets for Israel.
When they celebrated it, it wasdependent on the moon cycle, so
meaning it did not necessarilystart on this day of the month,
it was whenever the moon changed.
That was the initiation of theFeast of Trumpets.
So that's where they get the.

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No one knows the day or thehour, meaning literally, you
know it could be either the 23rdor the 24th, because it's
solely dependent on whenever themoon changes.
So that's the argument there.
Another thing that they've gotgoing for them is that this year

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is a year of Jubilee, whichonly happens every 40 or 50
years.
I'm a little rusty on some ofthis Old Testament festivals and
timeframes and stuff, but thisyear is a year of Jubilee.
And then, seven years ago, in2017, which wouldn't that be

(20:23):
eight years ago this is 2025,right.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I don't know why.
Then people said seven yearsago Anyways, there's a prophecy
in Revelation.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I must say, was the end of 20,.
What day did?

Speaker 2 (20:37):
you say in 20?
, september 23rd, 2017.
So 2018, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25.
I guess technically it's aexact seven years.
So there you go, 2017, afulfillment, if you will, of a

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prophecy in the book ofRevelation, in chapter 12.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And this is all their reasoning, correct?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Correct.
Fulfillment occurred in anastronomical sense.
So in Revelation 17, it talksabout, you know, the woman in
the wilderness being crownedwith, I think it's like the
stars or the sun or what haveyou.
Anyways, the way that it'sworded I guess I should have
read it.

(21:33):
I'm sorry, you guys, but theway that it's worded is
basically an astronomical eventoccurs in the heavens or in the
night sky and people say it's afulfillment of that prophecy.
And seven years from thatfulfillment is when Christ will
return, is the argument.
So the Feast of Trumpets thisyear, which is also in the year

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of a Jubilee and is seven yearsfrom this previous potential
fulfillment of prophecy, andthat's the argument.
So I've got a source from anarticle.
Ironically it's from the Idon't know why I said ironically
but from theVaticanObservatoryorg.

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So I'm assuming our Catholicfriends here.
But it says, according tovarious sources, Where's your
chanting soundbite?
Oh, I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh, I don't have one, sorry, did you get rid?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
of it.
I think I got rid of it here wego.
I got one yeah, I got this.
Do it, lady.
According to various sources,especially on the internet, the
sky of September 2017 wouldrepresent the scene from the

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12th chapter of Revelation Awoman clothed with the sun, with
the moon under her feet and onher head, a crown of 12 stars.
Crown of 12 stars as the sun,moon and certain planets
arranged themselves within andaround the constellation Virgo.

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This was supposed to be anunprecedented phenomenon.
Christopher Graney analyzesthese claims in this post on the
Vatican Observatories, theCatholic Astronomer blog.
Graney argues that when we havean understanding of the motions

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of the sun, moon and planets,and of what stars make up a
constellation, we see in the skyof September 2017 something
that happens every few hundredyears and that is of limited
interest to astronomers.
So it's not like this is aone-time event that never

(23:55):
happened and is never happeningagain.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
That's what I was going to.
Question is like so why,particularly now, when it's
happened before and it's goingto happen again?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
This is well, but that's the thing is.
Allegedly, it seems that thisevent will happen every couple
of hundred years is what Graneyis suggesting Now.
People who are just in theprophetic movement, specifically
in the dispensational camps.
They're not necessarily lookingback hundreds of years at star

(24:29):
documentation.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
They're only looking for what happened recently.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
They're looking for recent events or potential
events to slap a end timesprophecy on, because that's what
they're looking for.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
They're looking for signs, they're looking for,
they're looking for signs,enough evidence to stake their
claim, but not fully supportingit all the way well, yeah,
because the way I would word itis, their claim is christ is
coming back.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
They're trying to find evidence beyond the
creation of man to point tochrist's return.
So, like it would take a lot tobe able to say like these
astronomical events occurred,also this social whatever,
whatever happened in the middleeast, also this whatever.
So it's a bunch of differentthings that are coincidentally

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happening all in one go andthey're saying it's not
coincidence, it is the usheringin of Christ.
So but a argument to that isthat in 2017, on September 23rd,
was also an end timesprediction.

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It was also an end timesprediction.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
People were predicting that the 23rd of
September in 2017 was going tobe when Christ returned, because
it was a feast of trumpets.
Yeah, that was the feast oftrumpets.
And now they're saying, oh no,that was the beginning, and now
here's the end of the feast oftrumpets.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, so there's an article.
We'll post the link to thearticle.
It's from Answers in GenesisAnswering Genesis.
The article he's addressing theresponse.
He's responding to thedifferent guys in prophecy that
are saying like, hey, this isthe end times, but he waited a

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month 23rd to write the articleto address their prophecies, to
really drive home the point oflike, hey, they're saying a lot
and they're acting like it isfrom God, but it is obviously
not from God, because everythingthat they said did not occur,
and so that's the argument.

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And so that's the argument.
In 2017, one of the big guysthat was promoting the idea that
Christ was coming back onSeptember 23rd 2017 was Mark
Blitz.
So that's something to keep inmind when you hear about end

(27:04):
times, prophecies, saying whenJesus is coming back, like
giving a day and a time.
Just remember that we've beendoing it for 2000 years and we I
mean I'm, I'm of the mind, Ihope.
So I hope you're right.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I would be nice.
Yeah, that's what's crazy aboutthis is we're not sitting here
saying you're, you're dumb oridiots.
It's just like we're justsaying that you're wrong, but
we're also hopeful as well, like, yeah, let's go, let's go,
let's do it 23rd or 24th.
Yeah, but there's been so manytimes before whale is wrong, so

(27:41):
so many times that's like, yeah,okay you're probably wrong, you
know well.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
That's the thing is.
You got to be careful, becauseif it's not from the lord, like
if the lord is not instructingyou to prophesy, because here's,
here's.
The thing is.
This is where I get a littlefrustrated.
These guys are are not saying Iprophesy, they're saying my
prediction will be, and thenthey'll say all this stuff and

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it's like, okay, that's great,but you're really acting in a
prophetic sense and you'reexpecting people to take your
word as gospel because of yourcompelling evidence.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Here's the thing of your compelling evidence.
Oh, yeah, here's the thing it'slike I guess they say that, oh,
I'm only predicting, so that,oh, I guess my prediction was
wrong, and it doesn't fall backon them as hard when they're
wrong.
Yeah, or it doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, because we talked about Mormonism, you know
, a couple episodes ago andabout how Joseph Smith he
claimed to be a prophet from Godand the Mormons yeah, the
Latter-day Saints to this daywill defend that.
They will say you've got tolisten to Joseph Smith because

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he is God's prophet, he's aprophet from the Lord.
But then it's like yeah, but wehave documentation of his life
and how many prophecies he madeand how many of them did not
come true.
And that's a sheer sign of whensomeone is not a prophet of the
Lord is when they make aprophecy and it does not come

(29:17):
true, then the Lord, it's notfrom God, right?
So prophets in the Biblethere's evidence to show there
are guys who claim to beprophets, who get it right
sometimes, but then they alsoget it wrong.
So in the book of Jeremiahthere's an example of that.
Jeremiah brings a prophecy ofdestruction over Israel and says

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that God's going to judge youand he's going to take you out
of the land.
And then another prophet standsup in the room of the king, in
the throne room of the king, andhe prophesies the opposite of
what Jeremiah prophesies.
And it's like no, everything'sgoing to be great, we're going
to be great.
It's all going to be great.
And then obviously, everyone.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I'm paraphrasing this is not John reading word for
word from the Bible currently.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, but then Jeremiah gives a prophecy over
that prophet's life and says ayear from today you're going to
die for misrepresenting God.
And sure enough, a year fromthat time that prophet dies.
And the Bible includes that inthe book of Jeremiah to show
that there are guys who claim tobe prophets and they get things

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right because they're able,because they're taken Like.
If they get everything wrong,no one's going to take them
seriously.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Well, here's the thing.
Like, okay, these people overhere right now, on 23rd, 24th,
right, predicting that's endtimes?
Yeah, I'm, I'm predicting thatit's not going to happen.
And when I'm right, am I aprophet?
You know what I mean.
Like that's what it sounds likeis like that Jeremiah stands up

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and says this is what's goingto happen, and the guy says no
opposite, somebody's going to beright.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Well, but the reason that it's in the book of
Jeremiah is because everyoneliked the prophecy of the guy.
The book of Jeremiah is becauseeveryone liked the prophecy of
the guy and so they were excitedwith him and they cursed
Jeremiah, which fulfills whatGod tells Jeremiah in the
beginning of the book.
He's like you're going to be myprophet and no one's going to
believe you in order for myjudgment to come.

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And so Jeremiah is like I'vegot Jeremiah's got a long
prophetic ministry and it's justsucks, because he's out here
warning everybody, giving theprophecies of the Lord to
everyone, and they're comingtrue, and nobody's believing him
and nobody's turning orrepenting or anything.

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And so that's why they callJeremiah the weeping prophet,
because he's just so broken overthe reality of he's speaking
truth and everyone's choosing toreject it.
And it's coming true.
And so that's the thing is,it's he's.
You know, prophets of God willspeak the truth, but people will

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either listen to it or rejectit, and it comes down to what
they want to hear.
Like if you want to hear this,then you'll listen.
If you don't want to hear it,you'll come up with excuses or
examples.
You know and I think that'swhere I'm at is.
I've become a little jadedbecause just of the obsessive
behavior of the prophetic camp.

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They're so consumed with tryingto predict the day that Jesus
will return.
And, you know, maybe I shouldbe that way too, but I have a
hard time with it.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I was going to say it could almost be a distraction,
where you're so focused ontrying to predict when it's
going to happen that you're notpreparing for when it does
happen.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, and that's my thing is.
I think that what we need totake away from it as believers
is not searching the scriptureto figure out the exact day that
Christ will return.
We should search the scripturesto try and figure out how we
can live like every day will bethe day he will return.
We should search the scripturesto try and figure out how we
can live like every day will bethe day he will return.
You know, because we should beushering in the return of Christ

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.
Some people will be in the campof that.
We have no ability whatsoeverto do anything to usher in the
return of Christ, and that'sprobably true.
However, we're called to go outand make disciples and proclaim
the good news to all nations,and that has not happened yet.
Like, there are still thousandsof people, millions of people,

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that have never heard the gospel.
So what are we doing?
Like, why are we sitting heremaking YouTube videos and TikTok
and, essentially, the finalpage of the book, right?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, it's really not , but you know what I mean.
Just like you're ruining theending with no lead up to why
this is happening.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yes, I had the verse.
I got to find it, so you keeptalking while I look for it.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Do you want to talk about some of these groups and
their predictions?
Yes, yes, the first one I'vegot here is the Miller.
I don't know if it's Milleritesor Miller.
Millie writes, but WilliamMiller calculated Christ's
return between 1843 and 1844using Daniel 8.14.

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Okay, and when it didn't happen, he had tens of thousands of
people prepared and leading towhat they called the great
disappointment, when nothinghappened, dang.
So this dude just got all thesepeople hyped up with it, right,
tens of thousands.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
And he based it on the Daniel 8.14.
Yeah, this is the verse it says.
And he said unto me, unto 2,300days, then shall the sanctuary
be cleansed.
That's the verse, Daniel 8.14.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
So, okay, I'm curious to hear what this guy was very
specifically saying.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, I want to hear the argument because the verse
I'm just I don't know it's waylike I need the context.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Anytime there's numbers in the Bible, people
somehow try to correlate it to adate, and that's when it's
going to happen.
Jehovah's Witnesses got itwrong on three different
occasions.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Well, but they didn't get it wrong, because Christ
did come back in 1914.
He just came back in aspiritual, private sense.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh right, right, right, yeah, I forgot about that
.
Yeah, but yeah, like you said,1914, they predicted Armageddon
reinterpreted as Christ'sinvisible enthronement.
Armageddon reinterpreted asChrist's invisible enthronement.
So, like you said, theypredicted Armageddon.
And then, when it didn't happen, oh no, it happened, guys, yep,
but just not in the way thatyou didn't see him.

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But we saw him, yeah, yeah,again in 1925 and 1975.
In 1925, they predictedpatriarchs like Abraham would
return.
Didn't happen, or we didn't seeit.
And then 1975 suggestedArmageddon again and many people

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sold homes, quit jobs.
It didn't happen, dang.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
All right, this was the verse I was looking for
about going out and proclaimingthe gospel.
Matthew 24, 13 and 14 says butthe one who endures till the end
will be saved, and this gospelof the kingdom will be
proclaimed throughout the wholeworld as a testimony to all

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nations, and then the end willcome, a testimony to all nations
, and then the end will come.
So you can look at that.
You can take that verse and youcan look at it in two ways.
You can look at it as aprophetic testimony of the
destruction of the temple,therefore the temple rites and
practices.

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Or you can look at it as Christwill return when the gospel has
been spread to every nation andevery people group and every
culture.
Or you could look at both ofthem and say it's a double
fulfillment thing, because thegospel starts in Jerusalem, the

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gospel message.
People start becomingChristians in the city of
Jerusalem and it starts to grow,starts to grow.
They start facing persecution,they start leaving the city and
then the gospel starts going outand the gospel makes it
throughout the Roman empire.
By the time we get to 70 AD,the gospel has hit so many major

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cities in the Roman Empire orthe known world, that the
destruction of Jerusalem almostlooks like a fulfillment of this
, because it's the end of an agewhen Jerusalem is destroyed in
70 AD by the Romans.
It's the end of the age oftemple worship and it's a

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fulfillment that Christpredicted.
He said this temple will bedestroyed and he weeps over the
destruction of Jerusalem and hetalks about it.
There's a passage where hepredicts the destruction of
Jerusalem in the temple and heuses a fig tree as an analogy,
where he curses the fig ofJerusalem in the temple and he
uses a fig tree as an analogy,where he curses the fig tree to
not bear any fruit and becauseit looks like a healthy tree but

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it's fruitless, so he curses itfor destruction.
And later out you find out thatJesus was using it as a example
for Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is cursed fordestruction because, even though
it looks like it's practicingfaith to God, it's fruitless and
so that's a fulfillment.
And so you could look atMatthew 24, half of it, if not

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all of it as Jesus declaringlike hey, the end of this age,
the end of the, this age, theend of the temple system age
will come about.
You know, at this time I don'tpersonally hold to that.
I think that he truly istalking about the final day.

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So that's where I would standwith it.
I think that he makes the pointlike, hey, there's not going to
be a specific point in time thatwe'll be able to look at and
say, well, obviously that's whenJesus is coming back.
I think what we can use as atestimony to say we're getting
close to the final day is howmany different nations know

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about Christ.
He doesn't say that everyonewill be saved.
He doesn't say that the gospelwill be presented to every
single individual, but he saysit will.
This testimony, this gospel,will go out to every nation and
then the final day will come.
So we haven't done that yet.

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There's still nations andpeople groups out there that
have never heard the gospel.
So we got to focus on thatrather than trying to focus on
being correct in our predictionsof the day that Christ will
return.
We should be motivated that,hey, we're ready for Christ to
return any day, ready for Christto return any day, and so while

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we wait for him to come, let'sbe active about ushering in his
kingdom by spreading the gospelto unreached people.
So I have a.
Do you have some other thingsyou want to hit on.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I just had other groups and predictions if you
want to talk about them.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
So I have.
It's the 88 reasonsasons whythe Rapture Will Be in 1988.
It's a book Okay, it's abooklet by Edgar Wisenat that he
distributed widely.
He predicted either September11th or 13th in 1988.
He sold millions of copies andit never happened.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
How do you spell his last name?
W-h-i-s-e-n-a-n-t edgar cwhizzenot, whizzenet, yep,
whizzenet.
All right, so okay.
So 88 reasons why the raptureis in 1988.

(41:22):
Yep, I wonder if he has anyother books.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's just like that.
What is it that music CD lineof CDs?
Now, that's what I call music.
He just raises it every, here-releases it.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
89 Reasons 90 Reasons , 91 Reasons.
Yeah, that's what I wasthinking.
Did someone make a joke aboutthat or did he come up with
something else?

Speaker 1 (41:47):
No, I don't know, I was just me, me.
I'm the one who just made thatjoke.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Rapture Report 1989 and 1990.
Oh, he does the final shout.
No, that's not by him.
I think someone's doing a jaband you're just using his thing.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Oh gotcha.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
But talk about.
I mean, this book is still onsale.
I mean, you can still buy thisbook for $90, a pre-owned copy,
Geez.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
On Etsy.
Is that more valuable than theMormon book that we talked about
, that they tried to get off theshelves?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, you can buy that on Amazon for $20.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Oh yeah, nice yeah, we need to buy all these books.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I'm not going to buy 88 Reasons for the Getsch.
I'm kidding, that's more of a Iguess it's more of a collector
thing.
Yeah, which side tangent can wetalk about how insane some
collectors are in thecollections that they choose to
collect?
Yeah, like it's just crazy Talkabout.

(42:51):
Here's my one thing, becauseevery time I bring it up to
somebody they're like you'relying, that's not true.
But coin collectors?
Yeah, because, okay, there's aquarter and it's worth 25 cents,
right, and if you use it like aquarter happens to be from 1983

(43:26):
.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
And it has the letter D on it.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
It has the letter D on it and it doesn't have the
brass wear around the lip on theside.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
And George Washington's ponytail is half an
inch long instead of no, no,none of that.
You know what I mean though.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, yeah, but like, if it happens to be these
certain things, it's made out ofsilver and it wasn't supposed
to be, meaning it was a misprinton silver and those quarters
will sell for anywhere betweenlike $300,000 to $4,000.
Right To collectors.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
And what's so funny is that the value of it is
arbitrary because, again, it'sonly worth truly 25 cents, but
the value of it goes up becausesomebody placed some sort of
make-believe number onto it,because they said this is what
it's valued at Like somebodyraised it to be $4,000.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Like dude.
It's still a quarter though.
Well, but they've got.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I mean, the rarity of the coin is why they say Sure,
I have this piece of pocket litand it's the only one like it in
the world.
Yeah, and it's been appraisedfor $300.
Yeah, right now, in thecomments, tell me who wants to
buy this piece of pocket land.
You know what I mean.
Like, you can do that with anypiece of anything, right,

(44:50):
correct?
You can.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
This is valuable because I said so, because it's
a one of a kind well, youremember the we too thing we
talked about a couple of weeksago, the wii 2.
Uh, staple box, staple theswitch to or switch to.
Why are you saying we?
I don't know dumb the switch to.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Somebody stapled it on the box and they had an
auction for it and it ended upselling at it for a charity
auction for 250 thousand dollarsfor a video game console that
normally costs $400.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Also Charizard Pokemon card.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, because it was a misprint.
Yeah, no, it's a piece ofcardboard with an image on it.
Yeah, it's only valuablebecause people say it is.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
So we're getting in the weeds here, like I said,
said we would, but it's justfunny to me that, like we have
so much money out here thatpeople are just throwing in that
stuff.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like I could not.
I cannot wrap my brain aroundspending whatever they spent on

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the switch to a broken Switch.
2.
Because it was an internetcraze.
Because it was an internetcraze that you know very good
and well, everyone will forgetabout it next year.
Right, no one will remember itwill be gone, but in the hype of
the moment, everyone was livinglike it was going to be the

(46:23):
next car.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Just like the Rapture prediction.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Just like Rapture prediction there we go Bringing
it back around.
Bringing it back around, yeah.
So yeah, it's crazy stuff, man.
Do you have any other ones youwant to touch on?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, I've got Blood Moon Prophecies.
Touch on, yeah, I've got BloodMoon Prophecies, and that was
somewhere between.
I mean, the prediction was 2014to 2015.
Okay, john Hagee and otherstied a sequence of lunar
eclipses to end time prophecy,but nothing happened.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Oh yeah, when was that again Sorry 2014 to 2015.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
So that was a more recent one.
Yeah, what about these?
Like they're not quite biblical, but it's just like these, like
end-time predictions that are alittle bit more popular.
Yeah, like everybody knowsabout them, type thing, y2k and
if you don't know what that isis.
Essentially it was predictedthat I don't know if it was the

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end of the world per se it wasan apocalyptic event because all
the computers would shut downit was because, something like
the codes when the computerswere developed supposedly didn't
know how to switch the clockover when it switched over from
1999 to 2000.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
So the prediction was all of technology was just
going to stop because the yearchanged everything, everything
that was being run by computers,right, which infrastructure
stuff like power, like the waterpurification systems, planes,
planes, all the important thingsthat make our economy move

(48:12):
would shut down and never comeback and never come back up.
And so I mean it got to thepoint to where people.
I mean we did it.
We had 50 gallon drums of waterdown here, we had like eight of
them down here, and we had abunch of canned food and like
non-perishable or long shelflife items just set to the side

(48:34):
just in case.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
What's funny to me is the idea of Y2K happening all
at the same time.
The idea of Y2K happening allat the same time makes no sense
because we have time zones, yeah, so if it's happening somewhere
, we would know it's comingCorrect.
Also, another rebuttal to thatwe are not plugged in

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technology-wise as a societyback then like we are now.
So I don't feel like if it didhappen, I don't think it would
have been as catastrophic aseverybody made it out to be.
If it did happen Now, if ithappened today, with us so
deeply plugged in like we are,like all the technology that
runs everything, it would be waymore catastrophic now, 25 years
later yeah, yeah, that's true,and there's 2012.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I was running into the mayan calendar.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Which is so funny on that one?
To me, yeah, because all it isis essentially they're saying,
oh, the mayan calendar stopshere, so this has to be the end
of times.
They predicted it, but itliterally is just that that they
just stopped writing thecalendar out so far ahead.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Is it that, though, or is there not evidence that
the reason the calendar stoppedhere is because they have a
prophecy that this is the end?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
of the world or whatever.
I'm not sure actually, buteither way it didn't happen yeah
, mayan calendar end date.
while you look that up, I've gotone here called planet x nabiru
.
It was an internet conspiracythat a hidden planet would
collide with Earth, and theypredicted that would happen in

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2003.
Then they predicted that wouldhappen in 2012.
Then they predicted that wouldhappen in 2017, and they were
wrong each time.
Dang.
It's funny, though, becauseit's like two of those numbers.
I wonder what happened in 2003.
Yeah, because 2012, the Mayancalendar, and then 2017, what we
talked about before the trumpetFeast of the Trumpets, yeah,

(50:49):
feast of the Trumpets, yeah.
So I wonder what if there was acorrelation where something
with the stars happened?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
right, yeah, that was the event that they said
fulfilled the prophecy inRevelation revelation.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Well, I'm just saying that like it seems like years
are lining up here, so I wonderif it's just like has to do with
people looking at the stars andall seeing how the stars are
and all agreeing but thatsomething's going to happen, but
not agreeing on what was goingto happen.
Yeah, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah.
So my AI overview here for themayan calendar says the mile
long long count calendar cycleconcluded on december 21st 2012,
marking the end of asignificant 13 backton cycle.
Rather than an apocalypse, thecalendar is a continuous linear

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system and its end wascomparable to an odometer
reaching a specific numbersignaling a new cycle to begin.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Oh, so it went up there and essentially is
supposed to then cycle aroundand start over from the
beginning again.
Yeah, okay, that's what they'resaying now.
Oh, supposed to then cyclearound and start over from the
beginning again.
Yeah, okay, is so pretty muchsaying.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Now, oh, beforehand they were saying, okay, it's
probably the end of the world,but but December 21st 2012 came
and left and they're like, okay,well, so now what is it?
And so this is probably just anexplanation, like, oh yeah,
well, obviously it wasn't theend of the world, it was
actually this, and we never saidit was the end of the world.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
You know like they do yeah, uh, speaking of 2012,
they made that movie based offof the world ending prediction.
Yeah, that's one of the dumbestmovies I've ever seen.
Stupid dude.
Like in three different scenes,right, they like something
starts happening.
The world, quote unquote startsending, like the grounds

(52:44):
opening up volcanoes, whatever.
Three different scenes.
It's a group of people runningas fast as they can to a car.
Then they get in the car, theydrive as fast as they can get on
an airplane and then take offas fast as they can to get away
from whatever event happens.
They do that three differenttimes where it's just run, run,

(53:06):
run, drive, drive, drive, fly,fly, fly Three different times
in that movie and when they landright like they fly land, then
they have to run car, fly land.
It's so stupid.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
All right.
So I want to bring back in andkind of wind down on this note.
So I'm going to read Matthew 25, and it's verses 1 through 13.
Do it, lady.
Yeah, and I want to acknowledgethat this is after Jesus
talking about the final day, andlike pretty much all of chapter

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24, is Jesus talking about thefinal day and this is what he
the next thing that he says.
Then the kingdom of heaven willbe like 10 virgins who took
their lamps and went to meet thebridegroom.
Five of them were foolish andfive were wise.

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For when the foolish took theirlamps, they took no oil with
them, but the wise took flasksof oil with their lamps.
As the bridegroom was delayed,they all became drowsy and slept
, but at midnight there was acry.
Drowsy and slept, but atmidnight there was a cry here is
the bridegroom, come out tomeet him.
Then all those virgins rose andtrimmed their lamps and the

(54:32):
foolish said to the wise Give ussome of your oil, for our lamps
are going out.
But the wise answered sayingSince there will not be enough
for us and for you, go rather tothe dealers and buy for
yourselves.
And while they were going tobuy, the bridegroom came and
those who were ready went inwith him to the marriage feast

(54:54):
and the door was shut.
Afterward the other virginscame also saying Lord, lord,
open to us.
But he answered truly, I ispainting the picture very

(55:16):
clearly.
You will not know the when.
You will not know the when, butwhat you need to be concerned
with is it's going to happen.
Am I prepared for it to happen?
Predictions and looking at starmaps and looking at natural

(55:47):
disasters and wars that aregoing on around the world, and
this, that and the other, andthen trying to find scriptures
to support what you're seeing.
How about we focus on this?
How about we focus on who isChrist?
Will I be able to know when hecomes, or will I be like a
foolish person and delay in hiscoming?
Or will I be prepared?
When he comes, will I be ableto rejoice and say, lord, lord,

(56:10):
praise that you have come, thankyou for redeeming me, and will
he respond to my Lord, lord withenter in good and faithful
servant, or will he say departme?
I never knew you.
That's what I want to focus on.
I don't want to focus on tryingto figure out the day that Jesus
will come.
I want him to come back tonight, but I want to focus on being

(56:35):
prepared, right, I want him tolook at me and usher me in and
celebrate in my faithfulness, mypreparedness for him, rather
than him being like I don't know, you, you're not welcome in
here.
That's for me like the biggestthing, like the only way that
you can have confidence in thatis if you have a relationship

(56:58):
with God.
Like if you've got arelationship with God, you're
confident in salvation, you'renot worried.
Yeah, you know, but it's themoment when you are like man, I
don't know if I'm going to makeit into heaven, I don't know if
I'm saved.
You know, when I hear that I'mlike, well, you, you kind of
don't get it.
Then, like you're saying, I dothese things, I say this stuff

(57:24):
and I'm concerned.
It's not enough.
I'm worried that I'm going tomake it and if I'm going to make
it into heaven or not.
It's like, bro, christ died anddid all the work for you to be
saved and he calls us to believein our hearts and profess with
our mouth that he is Lord.
That is the sign of oursalvation and the seal for it is

(57:47):
his works through us, not ourworks.
His works through us.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Guys, it's free, reach out and take it.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, it's salvation.
It is free to receive and thecost is everything, but it's
already been paid.
But it is free to receive andthe cost is everything, but it's
already been paid.
But it's already been paid, butyeah.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
So when we talk about works, that should be our new
ending, right there in what wejust said, what we just said hey
, the price has already beenpaid, just reach out and take it
.
We are the saints of certain.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Anyway, what was I saying?
I'm sorry, no, you're good.
Okay, so yeah, because I've gotto put this in here because the
Calvinist friends will talk tome later.
Works of the Spirit are whatoccur after salvation.
After salvation, when we aresaved, we have the pleasure and
the joy of listening to thespirit as he leads us and

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stepping out in what the spiritguides us to do.
And why we should have pleasurein that is because it bonds us
to God.
It grows our relationship andmakes it deeper and more rich.
But it's not our salvation.
We're not saved based on howwell we perform.

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We are saved by Christ alone,through faith alone, but the
works after salvation are how wegrow and stay in the Lord.
Because, I mean, I'm a believerthis is where people will
disagree with me.
I'm a believer that you canreject God, you can reject the
Holy Spirit, and that's anunforgivable sin.

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And so that unforgivable sinlooks like this, what we're
talking about with the foolishvirgins and the wise virgins,
where they rejected you know,you could make the
interpretation if you will theyrejected the Holy Spirit, and so
, even though they were underthe impression that they would
be welcomed into the party withthe bridegroom.

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They delayed in his coming, hecame and he left and they
knocked on the door and said,lord, lord, let us in.
And he says I don't know youDepart.
So that's, I guess, what myhome run is here is salvation is
a gift from God, and when youget saved, when you believe in

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Christ as your Lord and Savior,he will come into your heart and
he will start guiding you downthe path of sanctification,
growing in a relationship withhim.
The path of sanctificationgrowing in a relationship with
him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Guys, you went to the job interview, you got hired.
Now it's time to get to work.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah and well.
But to be clear, like, yourperformance is not what saves
you, no, no, it's what keeps you, it's what helps you to stay in
that relationship with God,Because if he speaks to you and
you listen, you grow together.
If God keeps on speaking to youand you keep on ignoring him

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and rejecting him speaking toyou, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
If your boss tells you what to do and you don't do
it and you don't show up forwork, you're fired.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I don't know.
I feel like we're getting intopeople.
I feel like people will talk.
People are going to be like youguys are saying it all wrong.
To be clear, this is what webelieve Salvation comes through
faith by grace.
It's only by the grace of Godthat we are saved and we must

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believe that he has saved us inorder for us to be saved.
We cannot do any amount of workto be saved.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
No, you've already being hired.
Is the saved in my analogy?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yes, and God will not fire you.
You will quit.
You will, yeah, you'll rejecthim in life.
I mean, you can quit, youshouldn't?
Yeah, don't quit.
Don't quit, guys, keep working.
So anyways, to wrap all this up, quit trying to decipher.

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This is not the Da Vinci Code.
Quit trying to decipher whenthe final day is going to be
here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Have your heart attitude as though every day is
the final day, and something Iwant to say is like this isn't a
scary thing If you've acceptedChrist.
Oh, yeah, we're good.
Yeah, we're good.
This is not a scary thing.
All these movies, 2012, like,and all these prophecies like
people might try to make itsound like it's like a horror
movie.
It's the end of days, it's allover.

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You know what I mean.
It's only scary if you haven'taccepted Christ, If you haven't
chose Christ God.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
For the people that are not following the Lord, it's
kind of like this and then forthe people that are following
God, it's more like this yeahboy.
And it's going to happen thatquick and I'm going to say this
Looks to me like you're on thewrong side of the river.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
How awful would you be if you were in heaven and
you're just like shouting acrossthat gap.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Looks like you're on the wrong side of the river Joe.
But I mean, what a troll to endwith.
You know what I mean.
Old things are passing away.
The new has come.
God's separating the faithfuland the unfaithful, and you just
hear in the background of allthe faithful people of God, and

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it's Brendan Fraser, and it isBrendan Fraser.
Looks to me like you're on thewrong side of the river and
someone just turns around.
Like who's that?
Is that?
Tom Cruise turns around.
Who said that?
Oh my gosh, I hope Tom Cruiserepents and believes in Jesus
Christ Get right, Tom Get right,Tom, Get right Tom.
Yeah, anyways, that was alittle joke there for the mummy,

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because Tom Cruise tried toreboot the mummy and did not do
well, and also Scientology.
Yeah, and also Scientology.
It was a double hit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yep, so is that all we got?

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
That's all I got.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
All right, because I got a game.
Oh it's, it's not I'm startingto feel like that.
I'm getting like a stigma aroundjeris's games we should, uh, we
should just create a segmentcalled blindside segment
blindside segment, blindside mewith a game well, this isn't
really actually a game, it'sjust more of, and I'm not gonna

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keep score, anything like that.
But I'm gonna read a statement,okay, and uh, these are around,
these, um prophecies,quote-unquote, prophecies about
end times, quote-unquote.
And you just got to tell me ifit was a real prophecy, that a
real prophecy that somebodystated right.
Okay, so to be clear, none ofthese are real prophecies,

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obviously, but real in the sensethat somebody actually stood up
and said predicted.
It predicted this versussomething that I made up, gotcha
okay, sorry, just a second.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
yep, and now our feature presentation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Psych.
Everyone that was listening.
Now we're going to do the maintopic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Welcome to the Saints that Serve podcast, where all
we do is play a game.
Yeah, All right, Go ahead Allright.
So in 1988, a former NASAengineer predicted the rapture
would happen and mailed outmillions of booklets with the
title 88 Reasons why the RaptureWill Be in 1988.
I'm going to say that thatreally did happen.

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That really did happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I didn't realize that Edgar was a astronaut.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Mm-hmm, wow.
A group in the 1500s believedthe apocalypse would begin when
penguins marched in a circlearound a mountain in France.
I'm going to say, yes, oh,that's the phone.
That was pretty well timed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I thought you pushed a button.
I was like I don't rememberputting that on the phone.
No, that's your phone.
That was the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
That's false.
I made that up.
Wow, I made that up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Mm-hmm.
In 1844, thousands of followersof preacher William Miller
expected Christ to return.
When nothing happened, itbecame known as the Great
Disappointment.
We talked about that already,so yeah, this is also partly a
summary of the episode.
Oh okay, in 1910, someAmericans panicked when Halley's

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Comet passed Earth, believingthe comet's tail contained
poisonous gas that would wipeout humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
That sounds legit, but I'm going to say no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
It was legit.
A 17th century German prophetclaimed the end of the world
would come when a giant chickenflew across the sky, crowing
three times Fake.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
It is fake.
Okay, there we go.
So if it's got a bird in it,it's fake.
Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
You're building up.
My dog's name is Raven.
The most outlandish birdinteraction is actually legit In
1914, the Watchtower Societypredicted the end of the world
would occur when a giant chickencrossed the road no, marking
the end of human governments.
They predicted it, but it didnot come true.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
It did not come true Watchtower is the JWs everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
JWs witnesses.
In 1997, the Heaven's Gate cultbelieved Earth would be wiped
clean and salvation meantjoining a spaceship hiding
behind the Hal-Bopp comet.
Members committed massunaliving to board it.
That is true.
That is true.
Yes.
A medieval monk once predictedthe world would end when frogs

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overran all of Europe, croakingso loudly that it would drown
out human voices.
False, that is false.
In 2012, panic spread becausethe Mayan calendar appeared to
end on December 21st, leadingpeople to believe it predicted
the apocalypse.
True, that is true.

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In 1994, televangelist HaroldCamping predicted the rapture
would happen.
When it didn't, he revised thedate to 2011, predicting the
final judgment day.
True, that is true.
That's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I think you got caught on.
Whenever there's an animalinvolved, it's fake.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I like animals.
All right, Leave me alone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I'm an animal lover.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Hey, I was making them too hard, so I had to make
them a little bit easier for you.
I want you to enjoy my games.
Oh, thanks, yeah, but that'sall I have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I wanted you to enjoy them so much.
I didn't have an intro or anoutro or really a name for the
game, like my games typicallyhave.
Guess that rapture, oh, rapture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Not all of them were raptures, though they were just
like in times.
All right, guess that prophecyguess that prophecy?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I don't have a game show intro okay, but yeah, but
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I mean, guys, it's going to happen, be prepared,
choose Jesus.
Or don't you know?
Ooh, subliminal messages there.
I'm just saying, and it's not ascary thing, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
No, being a Christian actually gives you a lot of
confidence, Right and comfort.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
You know I just feel like there is a lot of Right and
comfort, you know, and I justfeel like there is a lot of like
fear around it, even forbelievers of, like the end times
, like I'm not, not that they'reunprepared to go to heaven,
yeah, to be raptured up, butmore of they feel like that they
have unfinished business here,but it's like, yeah, I'm not,
I'm not going to care, like onceit happens, it's like that's it
, it's a great deception.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
The enemy wants us to be fearful in our freedom in
Christ, and that's not whatwe're supposed to be.
That's not the real message ofsalvation, that's not the gospel
message, because you look atthe apostles they were excited
and celebrated whenever theyfaced physical persecution.

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Because they were one stepcloser, one step closer, and it
was like we were consideredworthy to be somewhat close to
the suffering that our saviorunderwent to save us.
No one in America is thinkingthat way today.
When it comes to the gospel,we're not like man, I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I get it.
I really hope somebody shootsme for God.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I mean young men, bible studies are that way.
They're like man.
I hope I face persecution toprove how worthy I am.
It's like you know, I've beenaround that.
I've done that a couple times.
Like man, I just hope I get toendure suffering.
But that's not how it looked.
They weren't looking to get introuble, but when trouble came

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they were excited.
They rejoiced in the suffering.
They praised God because theywere like, hey, this suffering
sucks, but it's fleeting.
They were like, hey, thissuffering sucks, but it's
fleeting, and I am confident inmy eternal destination, so
confident in it.
I do not care what happens inthis world.

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You know what I mean.
Yeah, and I think Paul talksabout how much stuff he
underwent for the sake of justspreading the gospel.
Like he was shipwrecked acouple of times.
He was beaten with rods onmultiple occasions.
He was stoned to death.
They thought he was dead.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You know, he's sickness, storms, snake, bites,
all of it.
He's gone through all thissuffering and he considers it
all joy because it was for thesake of the gospel, because the
life that he lived was for theLord and his relationship with
God was close to God.

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And so that's the example thatwe should choose to emulate as
Christians, is, our lives andlifestyles are lived for the
Lord, and when we face hardshipand hard times, we're not
fearful, we rejoice so, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
All right.
Well, that has been episode 50.
The big five-oh.
We did it guys.
Episode 50 of the Saints That-0.
We did it guys.
Episode 50 of the Saints thatServe podcast.
Don't forget to be on thelookout for episode 52, our
one-year anniversary episode.
Alright, do you have anythingelse?

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That's all I've got.
That's all I've got.
Christ is Lord and the kingdomis now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
We are the saints that serve.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Come on, don't be crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Oh, yeah, all righty.