Episode 56 - Faith & Children’s Horror - The Saints That Serve Podcast

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SPEAKER_03 (00:01):
Welcome to the Saints That Serve Podcast, where
each week your hosts dive intothe crossroads of faith,
culture, and the unknown.
Christ is Lord, and the kingdomis now.

SPEAKER_02 (00:15):
We are the Saints that serve.

SPEAKER_03 (00:46):
We're in spooky season, but I sorry, I'm going
to interrupt you.
When I said you're it's yourturn to introduce the podcast, I
meant to do it spooky-wise.
No, we'll let's keep let's keepgoing.
Let's do this.

unknown (01:00):
Alright.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
Welcome to the Saints and Serve Podcast.
It's spooky season, everybody,and we are on episode 56.
Last, well, let's go ahead andstart this off with an apology.
We're sorry that we did notrelease an episode last week.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23):
Someone with thick.
I was sick.
I didn't well I wasn't gonnacall you out.
It was gonna be like aBraveheart uh I am Spartacus,
you know.
It was gonna be a Braveheart, Iam Spartacus.
What is it?
What is it?
I am okay.
Maybe I'm being wrong, but isn'tthere a scene in Braveheart
where like they're all standingin unison saying like I am so

(01:44):
and so?

SPEAKER_02 (01:46):
I'm William Wallace.
That's his name in Braveheart isWilliam Wallace.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50):
Is there not like a because I know that like I am
Spartacus, they're all standingup say like in unison saying
like, no, I'm the person youwant.

SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
Like so so that like I've seen both Spartacus, like
the original movie inBraveheart, and I can't think of
what you're talking about.
But you know what I'm talkingabout, where it's like
everyone's claiming to be theguy.

SPEAKER_03 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:10):
Yeah, I was gonna give that to uh you know, saying
Well, everyone has no I wassick.
Everyone had a 50% chance ofgetting it right or wrong.
But no, I was sick and No, I amsick.
Okay.
We had a lot going on the weekbefore, and it just got away
from us from that.

SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
I'm not gonna give say it away, like give away or
dox your family, but that thatThursday we were doing something
for your family member.
We can say it.
It was a wedding.

SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
This is true, it was a wedding.
Julie and Delone have both beenon the podcast and they're both
married now.
Oh, so we can say it.

SPEAKER_03 (02:47):
All right, so their address is Yeah.
No, so it was uh had theirrehearsal that Thursday.
Yep.
The wedding was Friday, had oneof your child's birthdays
parties Saturday.
Saturday, and then there wassomething else Sunday.
I can't remember what it was.

(03:08):
It was just uh well, you were Ican't remember what you were
doing, but you guys Oh, I hadthat dinner, lunch, barbecue for
uh for my boss.
Yeah, that's what it was.
So it was like we was somethingevery single day for like four
or five days straight of likenonstop.
We got to be doing something.
So we DJed, we were the saintsthat swerved wicky wicket at

(03:33):
Julie's wedding, Julian Dylan.
Yep.
And uh it was awesome.
We had a fun time.

SPEAKER_02 (03:38):
Thanks for letting us do that, Julie and Dylan.
Hey, thanks, guys.
So, anyways, that all happened.
And then I got sick, and then Iwas out of town for the weekend,
and we just didn't get to do it.
But we're here now.
We're here now, and we'recontinuing with the season of
spookies.
Mm-hmm.
And what are we talking abouttoday, Jarriss?
I was curious.

(04:00):
Name us spooky.
Name us spooky?
Yeah, since we're in the seasonof the spookies.
Uh I'm gonna say Dracula.
Dracula is a spooky?
He is a spooky.
I think that there's I thinkthey there could be two
categories.
There's cryptids and there'sspookies.

(04:22):
Mm-hmm.
And vampire seems to likeinterpret.

SPEAKER_03 (04:25):
There is like, if you have the Venn diagram, there
is like a crossover betweenspookies and cryptids.
Yeah.
Uh, I would say uh my uh areally good spooky.
My favorite.
No, a really good spooky is youwhen you're not wearing your
makeup.
I love getting scared the mostby Jonathan not wearing his show

(04:46):
makeup.
I don't wear makeup ever.
I said it's not a video podcast.
He said, I've got to look goodfor the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (04:54):
I've gotta look good for the sound equipment.

SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
So, anyway, before we get started, do we have any
announcements?

SPEAKER_02 (05:00):
We pray for you every single Friday.

SPEAKER_03 (05:01):
Every single Friday.

SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
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And coming soon, swaint saintsthat swerve gmail.com.
Uh you can also use the link atthe bottom of the episode
description.
Uh takes you to a directmessaging and then any social

(05:24):
media.
We're on all of it.
We're on Instagram and Facebookand X, YouTube, threads.

SPEAKER_03 (05:34):
Not on Zanga though.
Not Zanga.
Do we have a threads though?
Yeah, we got threads.
That's crazy.
I've never even looked at it.
Yeah, there's nothing happeningthere.
Yeah.
I get advertisements for threadsall the time and no one ever
uses it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (05:47):
It's like, you know what would be cool is if instead
of Instagram we had somethingwhere you could just post a
text.
You're like, you mean likeTwitter and Facebook?
You're right.

SPEAKER_03 (05:59):
So everybody just wants to be that new same thing.
Yeah.
So anyways.
Real quick, I want to do a quicklet me apologize.
Oh, okay.
We just get a lot of them.
Yeah.
So not, but maybe three or fourminutes ago, I said that John
wears makeup.

(06:20):
And that's not true.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry that you want to lookugly all the time.
Oh, thanks.
Without your makeup.
You know what?

SPEAKER_02 (06:30):
I forgive you.
Thank you.
And on that note, I need toapologize because everyone went
to see the episode last week andsaw that there was none.
And they went to social media tosee what the update was, and
there was none.
And that's my fault.
Because I run the social media.
No, I run the social media.

SPEAKER_01 (06:49):
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 (06:53):
I am Spartacus.
So, anyways, yeah.
Sorry, guys.
That there was no information.
We'll do better.
Yeah.
Alright, let's go ahead and justget into it.

SPEAKER_03 (07:02):
Yeah.
What are we talking abouttonight?
Uh, so uh, because it's spookyseason, we are talking about
Tyler.
This is your transition into.
I don't know.
What are we calling this?
Uh oh, you know what?
We're talking it's the world ofchildren's spookies.
There you go.

SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
My sheet my sheet says something different, but I
don't know if that's the Saintsthat serve spooky season.
When scary was for kids, theworld of children's horror.

SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
I I think spookies is a better word than saying
horror.

SPEAKER_02 (07:36):
I mean, probably, but that's what I looked up was
horror.

SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
I mean, it's all children's horror.
Yeah.
So yeah, we're I guess we'retalking about children's horror.
It's an interesting thing totalk about to me, because it's
like there are things made outthere out there that are made
for children.

SPEAKER_02 (07:52):
The target audience is children.

SPEAKER_03 (07:54):
Yeah.
And so you have so many filmsand media games and I'll I'll
and a very specific board game.
Yeah.
That it's all made and targetedtowards children.
And I kind of want to talk aboutthose.
Yeah.
And say, was this actuallyappropriate for your children?

(08:16):
Yeah.
Versus was this just a gateway?

SPEAKER_02 (08:21):
A conditioning mechanism.

SPEAKER_03 (08:22):
Yeah, that kind of thing for your children just to
be uh, you know, made to get ahold of your children in this
with this demonic property earlyon.

SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (08:34):
You know, just a tool of the enemy to try to just
get a hold of your children waytoo early.

SPEAKER_02 (08:43):
Well, yeah, I mean, the tool of the world, you know
what I mean?
Like if it's not of Christ, it'sof the world, and and Satan is
of the world.

SPEAKER_03 (08:51):
Mm-hmm.
And that's what we talk about onthe show all the time, is like
if it's not of God, it's eitherit's it's not benef sometimes
it's not beneficial, but it'sit's not beneficial, and
sometimes it's neutral in thesense of it's not a bad thing,
but it's not necessarily, andthen there's other things that

(09:16):
you just shouldn't exposeyourself to.
Sure.
So let's talk about these onesthat you shouldn't let your
children be exposed exposedexposed to.

SPEAKER_02 (09:27):
Yeah.
So if you do a Google search onchildren's horror movies, the
top picks, at least when Ipulled it up, was Monster.
Monster Squad.
No.

SPEAKER_03 (09:39):
Really?
I wonder if your list iscompletely different than that.
Monster House.
Oh, Monster House.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:44):
Frank and Weenie.
The House with a Clock in theWalls, The Adams Family,
Caroline, Ernest, Scared,Stupid.
That movie is a classic.

SPEAKER_03 (10:03):
But it's so dumb.

SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
The Little Vampire.
You have such a different list.
I've never heard this onebefore.
Return to Oz.
Oh yeah.
Return of Oz.

SPEAKER_03 (10:13):
That's a Disney movie.

SPEAKER_02 (10:14):
Return to Oz.
That's a Disney movie.
The Witches.

SPEAKER_03 (10:18):
The Witches.
Yeah.
Whenever you have somethingcalled The Witches.

SPEAKER_02 (10:23):
It's a uh looks like it's came out in 2020.
Uh Scooby-Doo 2, the liveaction.

SPEAKER_03 (10:32):
I wonder what what was your time frame that you put
in on yours?

SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
I literally just typed in children's horror
movies.

SPEAKER_03 (10:40):
I did the children's horror that I grew up on.
So kind of 90s.
So that makes more sense.

SPEAKER_02 (10:47):
Well, there are, I mean, yeah.
Box Trolls, Goosebumps 2,Witcher or Watcher in the Woods.
Watcher in the Woods.

SPEAKER_03 (10:57):
That I I don't think that's a really oh I have seen
that.

SPEAKER_02 (11:01):
The Watcher in the Woods from 1980.
That is a weird movie.
I have seen that.
Paranorman.
Paranorman.
Yep.
Igor and Scooby-Doo.
And I mean it keeps going on,but.

SPEAKER_03 (11:12):
Well, well, I want to let's start with that one.
All right.
Let's start with the one thathas a thousand different
properties on it.
And you've said it a few times,called it out a few different
times.
Because that is to me a reallyinteresting one, uh, which is
Scooby-Doo.

SPEAKER_02 (11:29):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (11:30):
Because initially, Scooby-Doo wasn't supernatural.

SPEAKER_02 (11:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (11:36):
Initially, the only weird supernatural thing about
that was why is the dog talking?
But like it started out as ajust a mystery.
Like they were called theMystery Inc., and anywhere they
went, there was somebody, it wasa spooky thing, a monster, a
creature, right?
And it was always trying to getthem out of wherever they're at,

(12:00):
scare them away.
But on every single episode ofScooby-Doo, Where Are You was
the original show.
Yeah.
It was always somebody in acostume trying to scare people
away.

SPEAKER_02 (12:10):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (12:11):
How do you feel about, in that sense, children's
horror, where it was neveranything evil or supernatural?
It was just somebody in a suitevery time.
And the reveal was who was itactually?
was the idea of the show.

SPEAKER_02 (12:24):
I don't know.
I I don't really have I don'treally care either way when it
comes to that.

SPEAKER_03 (12:30):
Like it's a weird question.

SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
It's like the the idea is that it's like they're
they're letting you know, like,hey, this isn't this is this
isn't real.
Like they aren't really dealingwith the the supernatural,
cosmic, weirda stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (12:49):
Like, oh, it's the I remember like there was a few,
like like the the minor 49er,and he was just the ghost of a
guy in a mine shaft, like a golddigger.
That kind of guy who that wasthe the spooky, and it was just
a guy who was trying to scareeverybody out of the mine shaft
so he could actually mine thegold that was there.
Yeah.
So it's like it was always thatkind of stuff.

(13:11):
Yeah.
It was always posed as like aspooky house or spooky this, and
it was always never actually thething that they made it look
like it was.

SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
What I will say is that Scooby-Doo, like with how
old it is, you you gotta thinkabout the audience at the time
would not accept actualsupernatural stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (13:34):
Do you think the intent was like we want to make
it supernatural, but we won'tget away with it?

SPEAKER_02 (13:39):
Well, there's been this weird, I don't know what it
is, but there's been this weirdattraction to being spooked.
Like it's it's uh almost like uhpeople enjoy.
I mean, I find myself beinglike, that is pretty
entertaining.
You know, just the idea of beingspooked.
And so I would say that it'sthat.
It's like, hey, let's takesomething that's creepy, let's

(14:03):
make it appropriate for kids,and then let's give an
explanation at the end to coverour butts with the parents.
That's like, well, no, no, no.
It was never really a ghost.
It was Mr.
Billy Bob.
It was the butler the wholetime.
Yeah, yeah, it was the butler.
You know, so uh yeah, because Ithink that true like ghost stuff

(14:23):
was saved for adults.
So this was like so again, thegateway to it.
Yeah, it's like it had to be kidfriendly, and kid friendly is
there's no such thing as ghostsbecause that's what all the
parents are telling their kids.
There's no monsters under thebed, there's no monsters in the
closet, there are no ghosts,stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 (14:40):
So Scooby-Doo again is that interesting one because
what you said later on as it gotmore modern, like Scooby-Doo,
obviously, it's so old, likeprobably one I wouldn't say one
of the most, but I just feellike it's like such a
long-lasting property.
We're always gonna get somethingScooby-Doo related.
Yeah.
But, you know, after Scooby-Doo,uh, you know, Where Are You,

(15:03):
even like in the uh 60s, like70s, 80s, as it grew older, he
they started running into thereal creatures.
They had an entire movie, youknow, like where Scooby-Doo had
like was helping three ghosts,or like Shaggy was teaching at
uh Dracula's school.

(15:25):
It was like these weird ones,but you know, like even back
then, we're not even talkingmodern, they started gearing
away from it was just somebodyin a mask.

SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
Well, I think that that's when the change started
happening in the 80s, becausethat's when you start seeing
things like dungeons anddragons.
Like that's a kid, like that tomy understanding, that started
as a kid's game.
And it it does not shy away fromthe supernatural.
I mean, most of the creatures inthe game are spooky.

(16:00):
Yeah, you know, or have or arefrom the spooky properties.

SPEAKER_03 (16:04):
There was one Scooby-Doo, and I'll let you
we'll talk about DD if you moreif you like, but I just it came
to me.
There is a Scooby-Doo moviewhere Shaggy gets turned into a
werewolf and is in across-country race or uh
organized by Dracula.
That was like the entire plot ofthe movie was them Shaggy is a

(16:27):
werewolf, and to get turned backinto normal by Dracula, he has
to win this cross-crunchy carrace.

SPEAKER_02 (16:35):
Okay, you saying uh werewolf may remind me of this.
I saw a clip for an interview.
They interviewed the guy who didthe voice for uh Nixon from
Futurama, you know, all thepresidents, their heads reserved
or whatever.
Yeah.
And he said he was trying tolike do a bit for it because he
didn't want to do it unless itwas going to be like clever and

(16:56):
unique and funny.
And he was like, you know, whenI watched this speech for Nixon
as a kid, like I told my mom,like, it just seems like he's a
guy on the cusp of turning intoa werewolf.
So he's that's how he's sothat's why he did the Nixon
voice like that.
He's like, it's just a guy who'sabout to become a werewolf.

(17:16):
He's like in mid-transition.
I was like in the show, he goes,Yeah, exactly.
And that's why, because he'slike, it's yeah, it's Nixon, but
Nixon's about to become awerewolf.
I was like, okay, whatever.
That's funny.
Uh I don't condemn Fitrome justsort of wow.
I I did watch it.
I haven't watched all of it, butI did watch it in my wild days.

SPEAKER_03 (17:38):
And uh same here.
I tried watching like the newerseasons when they started making
those.
I'm like, I I just wasn't good,in my opinion.
I know it does well, but it'sjust like it just didn't
interest me.
Like I maybe it was part of likewatching a show I shouldn't have
been watching when I wasyounger, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:56):
The more that I press into the Lord, the harder
it is for me to just watchanything.
You know what I mean?
Like it's really hard to use myeyes when I'm kidding.
No, but I mean like things thatI used to watch and enjoy, it's
getting harder to just sit downand enjoy them.

(18:16):
I really only have a couple ofthings that I'll watch.
And I don't know, it's gettingharder to to do it.
And I think it's just because ofthat.
It's like it's you know, thereare things in it that are not
godly.
Yeah.
And there's no justification forit.
Like it's not trying to say,like, here's the godly stuff,
here's the ungodly stuff, andthe godly stuff is gonna win.

(18:39):
It's just it's thrown in therefor the entertainment bit of
whatever it is.

SPEAKER_03 (18:44):
I feel like something like, you know, and
we'll get into more of theseproperties where it's like it's
a little bit more of a gray areaon decision because it's that
good versus evil argument on alot of these children's shows.

SPEAKER_02 (18:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (18:57):
But when you're talking about something like
Futurama, it's just adult humor.
Exactly.
And so it's like there's notlike crude adult humor.

SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
We've gone so we've gone so far down this rabbit
hole with all these adultcartoons that like it's not like
it's it's just crude.

SPEAKER_03 (19:16):
Yeah, it's not even like good guy versus bad guy or
whatever.
It's just like like you said,it's crude humor and there's no
grow gray area to it.

SPEAKER_02 (19:25):
It's just an excuse to kind of slap in like the
crude sensual jokes and bits andmake fun of different people
groups and things, and it's likeit's all in the name of comedy.
Like I hear I hear this all thetime from comedians
conveniently, that it's likecomedy should be untouchable

(19:47):
because we make fun of everyoneand we make fun of everything,
and that's how we use comedy toreally address the issues is
because we make fun of it.

SPEAKER_03 (19:53):
I was like, Yeah, and should we accept that
statement when they areblaspheming our Lord and Savior?
Yeah, exactly.
It's like, well, oh yeah, it'sokay because we make fun of
everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (20:03):
Yeah, we're we're making fun of God because we're
trying to address the issues,and it's like, well, I wouldn't
do that.

SPEAKER_03 (20:08):
Yeah, don't do that.
Futurama is an interesting one,at least growing up, like on the
shows I shouldn't have beenwatching as a kid.
It's kind of tame compared toother things like Family Guy or
South Park, yeah, stuff likethat, but it still doesn't make
it worth watching.
It's just interesting because Idon't feel like Futurama is as
bad as other ones that are outthere.

SPEAKER_02 (20:30):
Yeah.
I think it's also my parentbrain.
Like, true.
I've got to think like, okay, ifmy kid walked in right now, how
would that go?
Like, would the scene bequestionable?
Is it something that I can'ttake back?
Like I have no control, I'm justwatching it, and then they jump
out of the corner, andwhatever's on the screen's on
the screen.

(20:50):
You know, so it's like I'vereally got to control the
environment that I'm watchingthings, and then it's like if I
have to go to all that extrawork, like should I even watch
it?
Yeah.
So I'm and this is a more recentdevelopment, but I am noticing
it's like it's not gonna hurt meto not watch it.

SPEAKER_03 (21:08):
Yeah, you know, that's the thing, is with all
this entertainment stuff.
Is it worth the if I reallywanted to watch it, is it really
worth the effort to try to forfor your and our spiritual you
know, journey, journey, and forthe worth the effort of having
to hide it if your kid came intothe room.

(21:29):
So many things, variables in it,like it's not worth worth trying
to watch it.
Yep.
So yeah, but uh going back tokid horror, kid horror, uh
Spiderwick.
I was gonna say real quick,because we kind of mentioned it,
uh, Dungeons and Dragons.
Okay.
Because that is like also kindof kid's horror.
It's not really a seasonalhorror thing, like spooky season

(21:53):
type thing, but it is still thatyou're right, it's it's too
demonic in that sense.

SPEAKER_02 (22:00):
It's taking become too demonic.

SPEAKER_03 (22:03):
Yeah.
The story behind Dungeons andDragons, the your characters and
your heroes fighting the evil,that does exist, but it's also
you're aligning yourself toomuch in that storyline with
things that are evil.

SPEAKER_02 (22:17):
Well, the benefit of the game is you get 100% control
of what's in it and what's notin it.
So whoever is creating the gamedecides what the bad guys are,
what the good guys can do.

SPEAKER_03 (22:34):
The problem, though, too, is a lot of times, yes, you
can write and create those uhcampaigns, but a lot of times,
at least for the ones I've beento, it was somebody going off of
a guidance of a book.
So you're not really at leastthe few I went to, they weren't
really in control.
They were just following theguidance of a book in the

(22:56):
outline.
So then if you're clever, youcan, you know, make it okay and
not have the evil stuff in it ina positive manner.
Sure.
But at the end of the day,that's I feel like that should
be especially for kids, issomething they shouldn't be
playing.

SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
Well, and bringing it around to more modern times
because that's like a definingor that's a major part in the
Stranger Things, yeah.
Which is, I mean, if you getinto the cryptid communities,
they're all talking aboutportals and this alternate
dimension that mirrors ourdimension.

(23:37):
And so that's what they're like,they're all talking about like,
hey, like we've been talkingabout this stuff, and they put
this show out, Stranger Things,and they gave a name to this
place that we've been talkingabout, the upside down.
And it has these things, it hasthese weird, crazy, demonic
creatures that they're trying tofind the portals to get over to

(23:58):
our side of reality to mess withpeople and potentially drag
people back over to thisalternate reality.

SPEAKER_03 (24:05):
Well, spoilers on the show, they're just more of
just wanting to get through tohave another world to conquer.
They're not trying to Yeah,yeah.
But I mean, I guess that's kindof the image.

SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
Specifically for the store, for the story of Stranger
Things, that's what's happening.
But I'm saying the themes andthe things that are going on in
it is it's uh I mean, peoplethat are in the supernatural
communities, they're warningagainst it.
And then they're alsoincorporating Dungeons and
Dragons into it.
It's like, oh, these kids wereable to be, they were more

(24:39):
susceptible or they were Ihaven't seen the show, so I
can't talk too much into it.
But you know, it it just it'sthey're trying to check all the
boxes for a certain group ofpeople, like, oh, you like
Dungeons and Dragons?
Oh, you like 80s nostalgia?
Check.
Oh, you like alternatedimensions where you can get
spooked?

(24:59):
Check, you know.
And coming back around to that,it's there's this weird thing
where a lot of people, andeveryone has different
tolerances, but a lot of peoplethey like the entertaining
aspects of being frightened.
So, or have frightening elementsto something as entertaining.

(25:20):
Harry Potter.
Here we go.
We're finally getting into it.
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
In the movies, in the movies,that castle has ghosts floating
all around it.
You know, and it's like, butit's like really cheesy comical.
Oh, yeah.
You know, like they it's notscary by any means, but the idea

(25:42):
of these ethereal creaturesroaming the halls with children,
you know, it's like, oh, don'tdon't worry.

SPEAKER_03 (25:49):
They they're weird.
That was something beingsomebody who's read and watched
Harry Potter's, like, why arethere ghosts in this castle?
But just they never really truetruly served an overall purpose
to the story as much as justlike every now and then it like
they would give some likeinformation that the kids
needed.

SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Well, in the movie, the staff utilized them whenever
something broke into the theschool, which seems to happen a
lot, they would like send theghosts out to search for
whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (26:21):
They do that, like it's one throwaway line in one
movie.
Oh, okay.
So you're right, you're right,you're right.
It's just like it's somethingthat's there, like you're saying
that it's like just to add, Idon't know, like you said,
spooky omniance to it orwhatever, but like it's
something something weird to me,is like they would always
advertise like it not to be ahorror movie, though.

(26:45):
Like it's always watch HarryPotter around Christmas.
They tried to make it like aChristmas movie because like the
first three or four hadChristmas scenes in it.

SPEAKER_02 (26:55):
Yeah, see, my uh significant other brought up
that it's a fall movie, I guessbecause of Halloween.

SPEAKER_03 (27:05):
Sure, but again, like they have And because
they're in school school seasonsfall, so but like they have
scenes of like and a few of themof kind of Halloween scenes, and
then I feel like they do haveit's just such a small, like
maybe three or four minuteportion of the movie, a couple
of the seasons.
Yeah.

(27:25):
I just don't see it, like I justsee it as like okay, we had a a
bit of time in Christmas, a bitof time in Halloween, but
overall it's just a magicfantasy movie.
Well, I think I don't I don'tsee it as like a holiday movie.

SPEAKER_02 (27:38):
I think that's what plays into it, and this can be
distributed to all horror ingeneral.

SPEAKER_03 (27:44):
All right, exactly.
But that goes back to then atthis point, and I think we've
tried to do that.
Didn't even let me finish it.
Oh, you're right.
I'm sorry.
I didn't even know I'm sorry, Ihad a thought and it I had to
get it out.

SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
So uh the changing of the season Die Hard.
Is that a Christmas movie?
No.
The changing of the season.
When we get into fall, I meanyou you're experiencing it, I'm
experiencing it.
The day's shorter.
You get dark, it's darker forlonger periods of time.
And I mean, for all of humanhistory, it seems like we have

(28:14):
correlated horror or spookies tothe dark.
So when there's longer times ofdarkness, it's like, oh, this is
the spooky season because it'sdarker.
And so it's like fall is thattipping point.
It's the fall festival, it's thechanging of the season, it's the

(28:36):
whatever, and it's the kickoff,and so everyone everyone wants
to get a little bit of spookwith their pumpkin spice latte.

SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
Yeah, you know, and then we kind of transition, it
is interesting because it's likeheavy, spooky to November, fall,
Thanksgiving, where it's like afall theming, but also starting
to become more wholesome andmore comfy and cozy to the
full-blown happy, joyous time ofChristmas.

(29:11):
Of Christmas.
Yeah.
And then then from there you goto frozen nightmare of January.
Frozen nightmare.
Nothing joyous or happy at all,and it's just cold.
Yeah.
Epiphany.
That's in January.
You had an idea?

(29:33):
No.
Finally had an idea in January.
The 12th day of Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
January 6th, Epiphany.
Oh, yeah.
You've never celebrated it, haveyou?
I had never heard of that, to behonest.
Okay.
We don't normally celebrate it,but the 12 days of Christmas is
a thing.

SPEAKER_03 (29:48):
Yeah, I know about that.

SPEAKER_02 (29:50):
But it is I always thought it led up to Christmas.
Nope.
It ends on January 6th.
Okay.
Which is Epiphany, which is theday that celebr, I believe it's
the day that we celebrate theWise men coming and finding
Christ.
But that's that's joyous season,but we're currently It is joyous
season.
But you brought up that nothinggood happens in January.
And I brought up that Epiphanyhappens in January.

(30:11):
Nice.
There you go.
Back to spooky season.
February.
Nothing at all.

SPEAKER_03 (30:16):
I hate love.

SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
Uh yeah.
Okay.
Give me your setup that you werecutting me off on.

SPEAKER_03 (30:25):
I don't even.
Oh, I was just gonna say talkingabout how uh Die Hard is not a
Christmas movie.
Oh wow.
How we're talking about HarryPotter, just because there is a
scene in it, a seasonal what ofanything, does not make the
thing that you're watching anoverall holiday movie.

SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
Just because the entire thing happens on
Christmas Eve and you constantlysee Christmas decorations and
people refer to Christmas, doesnot make it a Christmas movie.

SPEAKER_03 (30:53):
Alright, we're gonna put a pause on this conversation
for a reason.
Okay.
Because I think during JoyousSeason we should talk about what
is and isn't a Christmas movie.
Okay.
I don't know if I want to, butalright.
Die Hard is not a Christmasmovie.
I was just jabbing.
I was just poke fan.
Alright.
What's another one that you hadon your list?
Haunted Mansion.

(31:14):
Haunt The Haunted Mansion?
Yeah, Disney's The HauntedMansion.
I really like that movie.
Believe it or not.
Not the new one.
I like the Eddie Murphy one.

SPEAKER_02 (31:21):
Yeah, that's the one that's on here.

SPEAKER_03 (31:22):
Okay.
Yeah, that's that new one wasnot that great.
I haven't seen either of them.
Yeah, the Haunted Mansion's aweird one because it's just very
nostalgic for me because it waslike one of my favorite rides at
Disney because of the Don't giveme that face.

SPEAKER_02 (31:37):
No, because of all the cool entire park full of
kids' joy, and you pick the onescary ride.

SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
No, because I think it goes back to how I like to
view things of like how it wasmade and not necessarily what it
was showing or representingfully.
Yeah.
So I like the effects and howthey did that because that was
the most effect-heavy attractionat Disney.
Yeah.
And for it to be the 1970s whenthis was built, and do they're

(32:06):
doing all these cool, liketransparent ghost effects.
I just liked how it was created,and I like that aspect of it.

SPEAKER_02 (32:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.
I I rode that ride one time.
Mm-hmm.
I had a real hard time ridingit.
Real hard time.

SPEAKER_03 (32:24):
Yeah, it riding it recently, it is weird.
Weird, more and more layingheavy on me when riding it.
Yeah.
Uh the one in Paris is waydarker.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it's like the storyline onthat one is that the local town
like blew up and everybody died.

(32:47):
So everything's kind ofunderground, all the ghosts and
they're all skeletons coming outof the walls.
It's creepy.
That one's creepy.
Yeah.
I didn't know.
Going into it, I'm like, Ididn't know that this one was
gonna be bad.
Yeah.
Uh the best one I wrote was TheNightmare Before Christmas
Overlay in California.
Oh.
That one was fun.
And segue to A Nightmare BeforeChristmas.

(33:07):
A night?
I've never seen it.
That's probably one of myfavorite Disney movies.
It shouldn't be, but I reallylike A Nightmare Before
Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 (33:18):
We're sitting here talking about all the kids'
horrors.
Like, yeah, it's probably notvery good in like every other
movie.

SPEAKER_03 (33:23):
Well, it's just like it's like man, I love that.
It it's it's just a good movie.
It's nostalgic.
I think everything that I enthat's on this list that I
enjoyed, I want to talk aboutbecause it was nostalgic.
Sure.
You know, before I became a goodperson.

SPEAKER_02 (33:36):
One that's on here that I'm confused by is The
Secret of Nim.
I didn't know that that was ahorror film for kids.
I didn't know that it was tones.

SPEAKER_03 (33:47):
Is that the one with the fairy and Tim Curry is the
smog monster and everything?
No, that's um Ferngully.
Ferngully.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
Secret of Nim is about the mouse.

SPEAKER_03 (34:00):
Oh, yeah.
I think that there's some thingslike that that aren't actually
meant to be horror as much as ithas spooky parts in it.
Like, is Brave Little Toaster ascary movie?
Or does it have a the mostterrifying scene in any movie
ever in it?

SPEAKER_02 (34:19):
Go ahead.
What's the most terrifying?

SPEAKER_03 (34:22):
Have you never seen the clown scene from a Brave
Little Toaster?
I must have purged it from mymemory.
I'll have to show you after therecording.
It is for a kid's movie, one ofthe scariest things.
I watched it recently and itjust brought up like childhood
trauma.
Like it's it's a rough for akid's movie?

(34:44):
Yeah.
I don't know why they did thisback then, but just like let's
throw in the just scariest sceneever in any movie you'll ever
see for a five-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 (34:55):
Do you know what is kids' horror or should be
labeled as kids' horror that hasno supernatural in it?
What's that?
Now I'm blanking on the name.
The uh the the bunny movie, theBritish bunny movie.
Oh, um Watership Down.
Watership down.
That movie as a child watchingit was pretty it's gory, right?

(35:15):
Yeah.
And it's a kids' movie.
Well, because it gets into thegraphic reality of rabbit troops
and competing rabbit troops andthem fighting with each other
and turf wars and turf wars andlike things getting buried
alive.
Like that's really dark.
Yeah.
Something getting buried alive.

SPEAKER_03 (35:34):
They made that, remade that recently, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (35:37):
They did.
It's a it's a mini-series onNetflix.
Jeez.

SPEAKER_03 (35:40):
Is it still really awful?
Like, how did they tone down theNo, I watched it.

SPEAKER_02 (35:46):
I think that it is, I think that it's still the
same, but it's not targetingkids.
That's the thing, is most ofthese remakes, they know that
their audience, the targetaudience, has grown up.
Yeah.
So it's more of a like kid.
Yeah, we're gonna revamp it.
But even though it may belabeled as a kid's whatever,
we're targeting the parents whogrew up watching it because the

(36:07):
only reason their kids are gonnawatch it is because the parents
watched the original version.
And they're like, oh yeah, mykids gotta see this.
So but all that to say, I don'tremember anything supernatural
or super spooky about the secretof them.

SPEAKER_03 (36:23):
That's the thing about oh, secret of them.
I was gonna say about WatershipDown, it's just like that
something can be spooky, but notbe horror.
I think it's just ominousbecause they horror is something
that I think would be defined,and I'm sorry I interrupted you
again.
Okay.
Uh horror is something that isdefined, at least in my book, as
something that is supernaturaland evil and demonic.

(36:47):
And uh something scary can besomething that doesn't have
something demonic in it, yeah,but still is spooky to watch.

SPEAKER_02 (36:55):
Uh Spider Wick Chronicles.

SPEAKER_03 (36:58):
That was not a scary movie.
That was not horror, that wasfantasy.
Okay.
Uh in my opinion.
Goosebumps.
Okay.
Why are you taking mine?
Stop.
Shut up.
Stop it.
That's my big one.
Let's talk about it.
Uh, Goosebumps.
I uh that was really what wasthe main uh reason why I wanted

(37:18):
to do this episode.
Okay.
Because I think this is a very,very great prime example of what
what we're talking about here,which is something that was made
for kids.
Yeah, that was intentionally agateway entry point to horror.
Okay.
For kids.
Sure.
I mean, R.

(37:38):
L.
Stein wrote Goosebumps as analternative to Stephen King's
novels.
A hundred percent.
There's so many of them thatmirror things that he made.
Like like the store, like thelike Stephen King wrote a story
about, you know, um evil clown.

(38:01):
Yeah, and there's an evil clownbook that R.
L.
Stein wrote.
You can sit down and read agoosebumps book in about an
hour.

SPEAKER_02 (38:09):
There's there's short stories.
There's a couple of differentones.
So there's uh Scary Stories toTell in the Dark is serious by
Alvin Schwartz, and thenGoosebumps is by R.L.
Stein.
And then there's the House withthe Clock in the Walls by John
Belairs.
Mm-hmm.
And then Wait Till Helen Comes.

(38:31):
Wait till Helen Comes?
By Mary Down Downing Hand.

SPEAKER_03 (38:36):
I don't know what that is.
So your Goosebumps is this longseries.
It's a series of books.
Long series, and each book isjust like its own individual
short horror story.
Yeah.
And the reason why I say it'sshort is like it is a book, but
it's like somewhere between 100to 150 pages.

(38:56):
The pages are small pages withword.
Like so longer than uh MagicTreehouse, but picture pretty
similar.
Very similar, but a little bitbigger.
But Scary Stories to Tell in theDark was truly actually just a
book series within, and all ofthem had just shorter, like

(39:17):
maybe a couple page uh shortstory horror stories.

SPEAKER_02 (39:21):
Yeah, it says a collection of classic folklore
and urban legends complete withchilling illustrations.

SPEAKER_03 (39:28):
They're creepy, dude.
Yeah.
For children's stories,everything looked so gross and
rotting and nasty on all thethis whoever did these
illustrations should stop shouldstop, and they were sick in the
head because all that stufflooks so gross.
Yeah.
Just imagery-wise, for achildren's book is disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 (39:53):
Well, I think that's at the heart of it, right?
When it comes to the enemy.
Yeah.
You know, demonic forces, like.

SPEAKER_03 (39:59):
But again, this is made for children.
Yeah.
And they re-released the bookslike recently and they toned
down that stuff greatly.
So they did, though, and goingback to that, they made a movie
based around that franchise.
Uh, but it was like an adulthorror movie that came out

(40:22):
recently.
Really?
Yeah.
What's it?
It's just scary stories to tellin the dark.
Oh, okay.
Is what it's called.
And it's just kind of like thestory on that was the like this
witch, I think, was taking shewas the one writing these
stories.
And if you read the stories, thecreature from the story would
come after you.

(40:42):
Or something to that effect.
No, I'm sorry.
I'm mixing it up withgoosebumps, but it's very
similar where the witch iswriting the stories as she's
writing it, that thing is startscoming after you.
Gotcha.
Goosebumps story was So kind oflike Inkhart.
Kind of.
Things are coming out of thepages.
Kind of, yeah.
The thing about Goosebumps was,and very cleverly, I actually so

(41:06):
I was a I watched Goosebumps andI had the books as a kid and all
that stuff.
So when the new move when themovie came out, Jack Black
played a character in that.
Jack Black was Jack Black playedR.
L.
Stein.
So the story of it is that thisis a world where Goosebumps
books existed, and Jack Blackhad a uh R.L.

(41:29):
Stein in this had a power thatif he did not write the story in
his mind down, yeah, thecreature that he was thinking
about would get loose.
Okay.
So then he'd have to lock themin the book.
The huge like loophole or plothole to that was how does these

(41:51):
books exist in this world thatthese kids are reading if all
these things are locked away andshouldn't be open or read?
Because that's how it starts, islike somebody breaks into his
house, a kid opens up the book,and then all of a sudden all the
monsters are now loose in thecity.
So all his stories that you'refamiliar with as a kid, yeah,
you know, is familiar with it.

(42:13):
So I enjoyed the movie, butagain, that was when it came
out.
Yeah.
And if I rewatch it now, Iprobably shouldn't.
Like I probably won't enjoy it.
Yeah.
Just a lot, a lot of thesethings I'm talking about, I'm
thought you could talk aboutfondly for nostalgia.
Yeah.
And probably like, uh better notwatch this now.

SPEAKER_02 (42:33):
And then you're rethinking, like, you know what,
maybe it should take take asecond think about this.
Pass wise, it was a good movie.
So I think I think I watchedGoosebumps.
The I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 (42:45):
Okay, the show from the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 (42:47):
No, no, the movie.
The movie.
Yeah, yeah, with Jack Black.
And I don't remember why Iwatched it, but I think I did
watch it, and yeah, it wasnothing super memorable.
I mean, I remember the doll.

SPEAKER_03 (43:04):
Yeah, it was a it was a ventriloquist dummy.
Yeah.
Yeah, dummy.
He was a dummy.
You're a dummy dummy.
The original show.
I remember being so scared towatch as a kid.
Okay.
And if you watch it now, it'ssome of the worst acting you've
ever seen ever.
It's just like literally, here'sthe line.

(43:25):
You ready?
Oh no, there is a ghost in thehouse.
Ah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:34):
See, I felt like, okay.
You know when things are likeover the top?
Like it's just way too much, andyou don't like because it's way
too much, it takes you out ofthe experience of the story.
You don't feel like you're apart of it.

SPEAKER_03 (43:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:54):
So there's a movie with Jason Momo in it.
I think it's called Werewolves.
It's called Aquaman.
Yeah, Aquaman.
No, I think it's calledWerewolves.
I'm looking it up.
But the acting in it is everyoneis like to the max.

(44:15):
Wolves.
It's called Wolves.
And it has Jason Momoa and LucasTill.
And um I don't think anyone elsewould know anyone else in it.
But yeah, it was.
I mean, it goes along the linesof what we're talking about with
horror, because werewolves.

(44:36):
But uh watching it the entiretime, I was like, man, this is
too cheesy.
Like you can't get into it.
Uh okay, I've got another one onmy list.

SPEAKER_03 (44:47):
Uh before we do, like, I wanted to say though,
the thing about goosebumps wasthe stories, though always had
supernatural things around it.
Yeah.
It was always kids being draggedinto those situations and trying
to get out.
It was never posed as it wasthat, to me personally, that

(45:09):
moral gray area where it's goodversus evil.
They're not posing the evil asgood.
It's always somebody trying tosurvive the evil.
Sure.
So that was kind of where I wasat.
And that's kind of again, asalways, my okay, moral gray area
of as long as you're not posingthe evil as good, I don't mind

(45:30):
watching it, kind of thing.
Yeah.
But some other people might haveopinions on that.

SPEAKER_02 (45:37):
Yeah.
I the hard thing is like as anadult, you've already got your
ideological parametersestablished.
And so you your discernment, forthe most part, your
discernment's there.
As a child, when you're stillsuper influential, it doesn't

(45:58):
matter if it's the bad guy.
If he's cool, you want to belike him.

SPEAKER_03 (46:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (46:03):
You know, I run in I run into that all the time with
the with the boys.
Like we'll be watchingsomething, and they don't care
about like the hero is not ascool as the bad guy.
And so they pretend to be thebad guy.
Let's be honest, Venom is likethe coolest thing ever.
Well, but I mean it's not it'snot this way for everything, but

(46:24):
they it just depends on what themovie or the TV show is or the
video game, whatever.
Like sometimes the bad guy'scooler, and so if that's what
what clicks with them, they'relike, Oh, I want to be the bad
guy, or I'm gonna pretend to bethis guy, and and you're like,
Well, I want you to be the hero,yeah, and I want you to shun

(46:45):
evil.
So that's where it's you gottago the extra mile when you got
super young kids.
I mean, sometimes even tweensand teens, like you gotta be
careful what you allow them towatch and partake of.

SPEAKER_03 (47:00):
I remember why you would have watched Goosebumps.
Why wasn't your wife an extra inthat movie?
Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:09):
Maybe that's why.

SPEAKER_02 (47:11):
I'll have to ask her later.
I I think you're right.
I think she was an extra.
Because they had a dance scene,right?
Yeah, in the school dance, yeah.
School dance.
And she's an extra her and herfriend are an extra in it.

SPEAKER_03 (47:22):
Yeah, that's why I was like, I was I was sitting
here racking my brain, like,why?
And I think I remembered likey'all talking about that at one
point.
What's with us being extras inmovies that don't do well?

SPEAKER_02 (47:35):
I was an extra in a movie and it did well.
I mean, I guess it did allright.
Yeah.
But my mother-in-law was in anextra in that one movie that
like never made it to theaters.

SPEAKER_03 (47:46):
Yeah, it made$76 or something like that.
Yeah, it did.

SPEAKER_02 (47:50):
It did awful.
My wife was in goosebumps.
She's in a couple of stuff.
I can't name it all.
I can't remember all of it.

SPEAKER_03 (47:57):
Uh your son is in that one movie.
Park Ranger's in that one moviea lot.
A lot than he thought.
He is the main character of thatmovie.
Yeah.
So much.

SPEAKER_02 (48:07):
And um, and I think we only got he only got$400 for
the movie.
No, but I mean, it didn't dowell.
It didn't do well, that movie.
What movie have you been in?
Not a movie, it's a TV show.
Cops.
I was gonna say the news.
The news.

SPEAKER_03 (48:27):
Yeah.
Comes on every day.
I'm on it every day doingsomething.
No, but we gotta get you anextra role so you can uh so I
can be a part of the club.
Be part of the in a movie club.
The movie club.
Hey guys, I was in Footloose.
I don't know if you heardearlier.
I'm I'm you can see me.
You can see me clearly.

SPEAKER_02 (48:44):
I think Bigfoot's in a movie too, or at least he did
an extra part for a movie, Ithink.
Yeah?
I don't know if he ever if theif it ever came out or
something.
I think it was Bigfoot.
You'll have to tell me about itlater.
Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about itlater.

SPEAKER_03 (48:57):
We're being vague on your children because we don't
want people looking at yourchildren.
Yeah, exactly.
But it's funny because the moviethat we're that uh Park Ranger
was in, yeah, a lot of peoplehave seen your son.
Yeah.
You just they don't know it'syour son.
They don't know it's him.
So because that movie, it's nota good movie, but I think it did

(49:18):
well enough.
Yeah.
It is a Disney film,technically.
Like one of the sub Disneycompanies.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that's like 50% of thenews of everything.
Anyways, uh, what we weretalking about.
Horror.
Horror.
Uh I cut you off aboutgoosebumps, but you were moving
into something else.

SPEAKER_02 (49:38):
Well, I was gonna talk about uh I was just gonna
bring up that hocus pocus was onmy list.

SPEAKER_03 (49:43):
You know, yeah, that's one of those weird ones I
never watch.
I know that's something I'venever seen it either.
Like I to my understanding,there is like the good the like
a little girl using witchcraftto combat the witches, summoning
dead in this, and I no.
Like I don't have that nostalgicfactor on that on my life, so I

(50:04):
can't defend this movie either.
So like no, no on no no hocusnocus.
Hocus nocus.

SPEAKER_02 (50:14):
Uh see that's my that's my struggle with the
Harry Potter is the story'sgood.
Like it's a great like it pullsyou in, and you know, the
cinematics of the movies aregood, but that like just the

(50:34):
amount of magic, great up magic,not like alluding to oh, we call
this magic, like they do inNarnia or they do in Lore of the
Red.
It is the school of witchcraft.
It is, yeah.
And wizardry.
And they I mean they do, they dostraight up to like this is how
you make this potion and it doesthis to this person, or like the

(50:54):
divination class, like this ishow you divine things, and yeah,
and you know, like this is howyou cast a spell, and this is
what the spell does to somebody.
This is the words you use tocast it and stuff.
And so it's just so explicitly,even though it's such a small
well, it's not a small part, buteven though it's it's a minor
part, like the actual magicpractices are not super major in

(51:18):
the story.
It's so integral in the storythat you know it it that's what
caught that's what gives me ahard time is like how do you you
can't cut this out.

SPEAKER_03 (51:31):
There's no way to make it or spin it in a way that
it isn't what it is.

SPEAKER_02 (51:36):
Yeah, so I'll just have to stick with Lord of the
Rings.

SPEAKER_03 (51:41):
That has magic in it.

SPEAKER_02 (51:43):
Yeah.
It's weird the way he wrote it,like because like when he uses
the term magic, like each thing,each race or each thing has its
own magic exclusively for them,but it's not like any kind of
conjuring thing.

(52:04):
Like it's something that theyweave into their stuff, and
that's why it is exclusivelytheir thing, like the elves,
like things that are elvish areexclusively elvish because of
the elf magic.

SPEAKER_03 (52:18):
Is it the best way to explain it?
Is the way he writes it is thatit's not witchcraft.
Well, the because they are.
I mean, there are people who dotechnically do witchcraft in it,
and it's not the same thing asthe witch, like the the spell
casting and the like powers thatis used by the race.

(52:41):
Yeah, it is it's hard to writefantasy, it's hard to write like
you know, magic into stuff, andthen make it okay.

SPEAKER_02 (52:52):
Well, with Lord of the Rings in the Silmarillion,
he makes it to where thebeginning of all things comes in
through song, it's sung intoexistence, and everything has a
song, and what brought evil isbasically the vanity and
selfishness of one Valar whosename is Morgoth.

(53:16):
Morgoth, yep, and he he wants tocreate his own song and he wants
to be equal to the creator, andso Morgoth starts but he can't
create his own song.
Yeah, he's the devil.
He can't create his own song, sohe distorts the music.
And so everything that heconjures is a distortion of the

(53:37):
divine song.
And so everything that's createdafterwards is a part of the
song, the divine song, and theyeach have their own specific
little part to play into it.
So I guess like the magic inLord of the Rings specifically,
it's not academic.

(53:58):
Like for the most part, it'sit's just normal, it's a part of
it, like in and what makes itbad is if it's a distortion of
the intended purpose.
So, you know, orcs, like they'rea distortion of because they're
you they're elves, yeah.
They're the at the beginning,they were taken and and through
the corruptness, corrupted, youknow, and so and that's how it

(54:21):
is for everything.
Everything is taken andcorrupted, and that's a great
parallel to the reality of ourworld, where everything that was
created was good.
God said it was good, and it'snot a new thing was created that
is bad.
The bad came from a distortionof what was created, and so

(54:45):
that's where we're at todaywhere there's so much bad going
on, it's because there's so muchdistortion of God's creation.
But yeah, nothing's like uh,hey, say these three words and
it does this thing in the world.

SPEAKER_03 (54:58):
It's a natural thing that they have always had, and
it's just the closest thing thatyou could describe it as because
it's not a natural thing in ourreality is to call it magic.
Yeah, because that's why likethe when you're talking about
storytelling, like yeah, theonly way for you to tell the
story is to explain it as like,okay, what what what what other

(55:19):
term could I use it for if it'ssomething that's not natural?

SPEAKER_02 (55:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:23):
Okay, magic.
But it's not really, you know,witchcraft or evil, because the
witchcrafting eagle exist as thedistortion.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, I don't rightlyknow.
I don't rightly know, Jim.
Isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 (55:42):
Can I just real quick about that, isn't it?
Mm-hmm.
The amount of time that I'vespent with my family, the amount
of time that that has beenbrought up.
After the episode 52?
After episode 52 is crazy.
I have a niece, and that's herfavorite thing now.

SPEAKER_03 (56:00):
Isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 (56:01):
Yeah, we were camping.
She grabbed a piece of bread andbrought it to the fire, and
she's like, Don't we all want tosit down and have a piece of
toast, isn't it?
I was like, what are you doinghere?

SPEAKER_03 (56:14):
It's your own fault.
You're the one who brought thatup in episode 52.
It was funny though.
I kept saying it.
Yeah.
It's funny.
I am Spartacus.
Isn't it?
Let's let's talk about somethingreal quick, though.
Uh, another just I want to uhbriefly mention it because it's
very similar to Goosebumps.
Are you afraid of the dark?

SPEAKER_01 (56:35):
Liar!

SPEAKER_03 (56:36):
Liar.
How is that like goosebumps?
It's literally anotherchildren's horror uh thing.
It's just they didn't havebooks, it was just TV episodes.
Oh.
Where it was just like I alwaysfound it to be scarier than
goosebumps, but were youwatching it's also still just
terrible acting and not reallyscary at all as an adult.

(56:57):
Uh Jake Gyllenhaal.
It was his first Gyllenhaal.
He uh he starred in an episodeof it.
And like that was like his firstacting role was in the show.
Really?
Yeah.
But I just wanted to mention itthat that's another one of those
Goosebumps S things.
That's weird.

(57:18):
How old was he when he was init?
Uh great question.
What's the what's the name of itagain?
And it's a TV series.
It was Canadian, I believe.
Canadian.

SPEAKER_02 (57:32):
Um I'm trying to look it up.

SPEAKER_03 (57:35):
But it was just like the entire plot of it was the
connecting factor was is eacheach week when the episode would
come out, it was just kidssitting around a bonfire telling
ghost stories.
And as they're telling the ghoststories, you're watching the
story.

SPEAKER_02 (57:51):
Yeah, it doesn't come up when I do TV shows with
Jake Gyllenhaal.

SPEAKER_03 (57:55):
Just search Jake Gyllenhaal.
Alright.

SPEAKER_02 (58:02):
It was the episode with the camera.
It was the episode with thecamera.
Yeah, there was a uh JakeGyllenhaal is not in Are You
Afraid of the Dark?
Who is it then?
The confusion may stem from himstarring in horror films or his
role as the original Jake in the2001 film Donnie Darko, which is

(58:24):
sometimes associated with theshow due to its horror and
mystery themes.
The revival seen the episode.
I don't I mean, this is just anAI overview.
Maybe this is a uh what's thename of that?
It's not the butterfly effect.
What's the effect?
It's where it's like the Mandelaeffect.
Mendela effect.

SPEAKER_03 (58:43):
Maybe I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_02 (58:45):
Yeah.
He was in Danny Durko.

SPEAKER_03 (58:48):
That was a weird movie.
Ryan Gosling.
Ryan Gossling.
Not Jake Jillenhall, RyanGossling.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
It's okay, they all look thesame.
They're all the same.
All those men actors.
Same episode, same idea.
I just had their name wrong.

SPEAKER_02 (59:08):
It was a camera that what it did.
Okay.
Yep, yep, yep.
Young, a young Ryan Gosling.

SPEAKER_03 (59:15):
In the episode, the camera would, if you get took a
picture with the camera, itwould show you like it wasn't
like necessarily like death, butit would be like a terrible
accident or something wouldhappen.
Wait, if you look at the camera?
No, when you took a picture withthe camera, the developed
picture would show you.

(59:37):
It was like it wasn't that itpredicted the future, it showed
you once you took the picture,it would show you it could
create a terrible future withinthe fit the picture.
So it's like you didn't wantyour picture taken with this
camera.

SPEAKER_02 (59:52):
Gotcha.
This it says the I guess theepisode was the tale of station
one oh nine point one.
Am I just being stupid?
A youth obsessed with deathdiscovers a radio station which
takes its listeners to theafterlife.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:09):
This is all children's made media people's
lists.
Yeah.
I don't know.
See, that one was the scary one,and I avoided.
All right.
Good call.
Good good call.
Yep.
Yeah.
Today.
I avoided it today.
I'm spooked out, guys.
Good job.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:28):
Home run.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:30):
Thanks.
That's all I had.
Sorry.
I had to redo.
I rebooted my comp I reset mycomputer, so I'm slowly building
back up the sound bites,everybody.
We got the most important one,though.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:48):
Very good.

unknown (01:00:49):
You're welcome.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:50):
Let's uh speed run a couple of shows.
Okay.
Uh two that I watched a lot asas a kid.
Um, don't tisk me.
You don't know what I'm about totalk about.
I know it's not gonna be good.
Uh Real Monsters was one Iwatched where it was just an
entire it was essentiallyMonsters Inc.
Okay.
But in cartoon form from the uh1994.

(01:01:11):
Monsters Inc.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:14):
is just the prelude to Stranger Things.
Portals.
Portals into an alternatedimension, and they're trying to
take things from our dimension.
Yep.
Hollywood man.
Hollywood man.
What are they preparing us for?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:29):
Money.
They're preparing them, them toget our money.
They're preparing for us to nothave any money.
Uh all Real Monsters wasliterally just like it was a
school of monsters that werelearning how to scare kids.
Okay.
And that was just like theentire plot, and each week was
just like a different littleplot.
Uh I watched that a lot.

(01:01:51):
It was just monsters.
Like goofy looking monsters.
And then the other one Iwatched.
Oh, those goofy lookingmonsters.
This one I watched, and I lovedthis show.
I don't know if you've everheard of it, but it's Courage
the Cowardly Dog.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:06):
And it's just that.
It was just like an elderlycouple living in the middle of
nowhere.
The town is literally calledNowhere.
Okay.
And they had a dog namedCourage.
Yep.
I know, I know about this, yes.
Mm-hmm.
And then just every week, somesort of evil force would
materialize itself and Couragewould have to protect its

(01:02:27):
elderly coupled family.
And he was a coward.
It was it was it was anentertaining show as a kid.
Entertaining.
And it was like there's someparts that were really creepy in
it, but it was never likeanything over the top.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:42):
But it'd just be like but it'd be like goofy
things like a duck from space.
Or ducks from space?
Yeah, it was like a MightyDucks?
No.
Ducks like it was alien ducks.
Yeah, Mighty Ducks.
Yeah.
Alien Ducks.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:00):
Mm-hmm.
I'm not familiar enough withMighty Ducks to know.
Well, they're ducks from space.
I thought it was just a kid'shockey movie.
No, the the animated cartoon,Mighty Ducks.
They made an animated cartoonoff the Mighty Ducks hockey kids
movie.
They made two separate thingsthat have the same name.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:20):
And aren't related at all?
They're related in the sensethat they play hockey.
Isn't like their logo the sameor something?
Maybe, but that's about it.
Well, okay.
In the the live action showabout the kids playing hockey,
they've got a mask that lookslike a duckbill.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:43):
I bet you money.
In the cartoon.
How much you want to bet thatthe cartoon in the TV show in
the movie are related in thesense that they just wanted to
make the TV show Mighty Ducks,but didn't want to actually make
it about hockey.
I think the Space Ducks playedhockey, dude.
They did.
That's what I'm saying.
Like that's then they'rerelated.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:04):
That's the only thing that relates them, is is
that the ducks from space playhockey.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:09):
And there's You're telling me that a show called
The Mighty Ducks that'sunrelated to the other Mighty
Ducks where they both playhockey is unrelated.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:19):
The only thing that they have in common is that they
play hockey and their name isthe Mighty Ducks.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:26):
And what I'm trying to say is you're telling me that
that's not related to oneanother?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:32):
That's I'm saying that's the only thing they have
in common.
They don't use any of thecharacters from the wall.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:37):
Okay, but you don't you don't think that they were
made by the same company or aspin-off from the other
property?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:42):
I'm sure it was a spin-off, but what I'm telling
you is it shares nothing outsideof the sport of hockey.
There's no intermingledcharacters.
The universe is not even thesame.
Like they land on Earth, so Iguess in a sense they share
that, but sure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:04):
Yeah, they made it.
Okay, that's my point.
Is like they is a You're right.
You know what?
You're right.
I am Spartacus.
You did.
I want to I want to go through acouple movies real quick.
Okay.
You said the witches, which I'mnot actually sure.
I've never heard of that.
Which witch?
Which witch?
The sandwich?
Monster Squad, which wasessentially Dracula shows up in

(01:05:28):
the neighborhood and summons allthe monster, classic monsters,
and kids have to defeat them.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:32):
Like Hotel Transylvania?

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:34):
Yeah, pretty much.
Uh Coraline, Paranorman, MonsterHouse, and Frankenweenie, all
just horror.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:42):
Kids' horror.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:43):
Can I ask you about that?
What's that?
The Hotel Transylvania.
Like, why does it have so manymovies?

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:48):
Apparently it did really well.
Yeah, I guess so.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Funny enough, Coraline andParanorman, they're both made by
the same company.
I thought Frank and Weenie was,but it's not.
James and the Giant Peach?
James and the Giant Peach.
Why'd you say it that way?
That's a good movie.
James and the Giant Peach.

(01:06:10):
Why'd you s mimic me like that?
Hey, I'm gonna pretend to beJohn.
Sounds nothing like you.
Yeah.
Alright.
We're getting a little short ontime, but I wanted to talk about
something very specific.
Okay.

(01:06:30):
It is marketed at a ch as achildren's board game.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:34):
Spookily the square pumpkin?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:37):
The board game?
Yeah, I love that.
What?
Sorry, I gotta just try.
It's a movie.
It's called Spookily the SquarePumpkin.
Can that be our new spookyseason mascot?
Just a square pumpkin?
I don't know.
There might be copyrightinfringement, but uh we'll get
away with it.
They won't know.
They won't know.
Uh Ouija boards.

(01:06:57):
Ouija boards.
Luigi boards?
Ouija boards, yeah.
Ouija boards.
You know what I'm talking about.
Oh, I know you're okay.
Just make sure you like the wayyou said it's like, what are you
talking about?
Luigi?
Ouija boards.
Uh this one is very specificallytargeted towards kids.
I've been in in stores and it'sin the children's toy aisles of
a Ouija board.

(01:07:18):
And this is something that isjust like we've talked about,
you know, middle ground, greatareas, what you should and
should not be watching.
And a lot of these shows is likecan be left up to your
discernment of what is good foryou, you know, what you believe
as with your spiritual walk,right?

(01:07:39):
Sure.
These are all, you know, left upfor interpretation.
But I feel like that this issomething that is geared towards
children that is very blatantlysomething that we should not be
playing with.
Yeah.
You are using divination tosummon and talk to spirits.
Yep.
There's no way hiding it.

(01:07:59):
There's no like, you know,colorful rainbow hit on top of
it to make it look good andpretty.
Yeah.
This is just something that isstraight up evil.
Yeah.
That is labeled as a children'sthing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:14):
Yeah, I agree.
It put out there as a kid's gameor just a lighthearted whatever,
whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:20):
Oh, yeah, just sit in the dark and that good hearty
spook spook.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:23):
Yeah.
You know.
And the reality is it's, youknow, there's a reason that the
Lord tells Israel to havenothing to do with divination,
witchcraft, necromancy, allthese things.
Is you're trying to tap it,you're trying to say you've got
your own power, so you'retapping into a spiritual

(01:08:47):
presence.
And in doing this, you areinviting spirits in.
And if it's not the spirit ofGod, then it's a demonic spirit.
And if you're welcoming ademonic spirit into your life,
you're you're giving it control.
Yeah.
And so Ouija boards is you'rethat's what you're doing.
You're tapping into this demonicspirit and inviting it.

(01:09:12):
Sorry, I'm yawning.
You're have we talked about howtired we are as people right
now?
Everybody who that was a freeyawn.
I hope all of you yawned withme.
No, but yeah, you're invitingthese dark spirits in by doing
this light-hearted divinationboard game.
Well, marketed as a lightheartedmarketed as.

(01:09:35):
You know what they're doing?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:36):
What?

unknown (01:09:37):
Liar!

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:37):
They're lying.
They're lying.
I don't know.
It's just it's such an oddproperty item toy or whatever.
Because it's marketed as thisevil thing.
Like, yeah, not necess notnecessarily marketed as evil,
but it's not hiding what it isat all.
This is the tool.
This is the thing that you useto communicate with the dead.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:01):
Well, I think that I think as Christian, I think as
Americans, we've fooledourselves into thinking like
there's only a couple ofreligions in this world, and or
I can only I can count on onehand how many religions are on

the world (01:10:19):
Christianity, Judaism, Muslim, Hindu,
Buddhist.
It's those five.
And then you got the atheistswho say they're not a religion,
but they're a religion.
So there's six.
But the reality is, is there'sso many different worships of
idols that have always beenaround.

(01:10:41):
And part of that is, you know,the demonic, the the Satan, like
the worship of Satan, the churchof Satan is a thing, and it's
real and it's present, and theydon't they don't beat around the
bush like yet.
Some of them, some of thesesatanic communities are like, oh
no, like we mean it as in likewe just worship the earth and we

(01:11:04):
don't believe in any god, andthen there's the straight up
demonic, like, yes, Satan, theaccuser, the the devil, that's
who we worship.
And so there's you know, it'snot like it's hidden, it's out
in the open, but it because itis of the darkness, Christians

(01:11:25):
are like, oh, let's just pushthat to the side, pretend like
it doesn't exist, or pretendlike it's not a big deal, and go
about our day.
We need to be real withourselves.
We are a holy race ofambassadors who are called to
shine the light in the darkness,and there's a lot of darkness
out there.
There are a lot of temples toidols, and we just try to give

(01:11:47):
them other names, you know?
I'm thinking about I wasthinking about it today, like
the capital of our country,Washington, D.C., has an obelisk
at the capital.
That's I mean, in ancient times,in the middle, in the land of
Canaan where Israel lived, theywere constantly erecting and

(01:12:09):
cutting down Asherah poles.
And it's the same thing.
Obelisks are these uh pillars uhset up as a form of worship to
uh whatever deity or whateverwhatever moment in time, but
it's a form of worship, andwe've got it in our capital, and

(01:12:30):
we treat it like it's no bigdeal.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:33):
So you're saying that this children's toy is just
kind of it's just can beconditioned to be okay because
it's just something that we havearound all the time.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:44):
Yeah, there's so many things that are all around
us that because we're in denialof the reality of polytheism,
unofficial polytheism, let meput it that way, unofficial
polytheism, that people thatpractice it on the we're like,
oh what?
That's I don't know.
You know, like we try to argueand justify why it's not what it

(01:13:05):
is, but the reality ispolytheism is a worship of
plural god, multiple gods.
And we're there's only one God,there is no other.
So when you play things likedivination, you're inviting
these evil spirits who demandworship.
When you are on your phone allday long, and you spend no time

(01:13:33):
with God, you're worshiping yourphone.
That's your idol.
That's one that I have had toremind myself of constantly.
Like, I'm using my phone for somany different things, having my
own business and having, youknow, personal life and this,
that, and the other.

(01:14:06):
But I'm just here on my phone.
Why am I worshiping my phone?
You know?
So, yeah.
And I'm sure that there's a lotout there that people can fill
in the blanks with, but I wouldsay things like that, like
watching horror movies, readinghorror books, playing with Ouija
boards.

(01:14:26):
It's even if you don't want toacknowledge it as a form of
exaltation of demonic spirits,it most likely is because it's
most likely opening the door andwelcoming them into your life.
So we as Christians, we've gottawe've got to ask ourselves that

(01:14:46):
question.
What am I inviting in byparticipating in this?
And go from there.
That's why I have such a hardtime with Harry Potter.
It's like, what am I inviting inby doing this?
Am I inviting anything in?
You know?
So you're inviting JK Rowlinginto your house.
Well, I don't know what to makeof that because apparently she's
Christian, but then I also hearstories about all the spells

(01:15:10):
that she used for the books.
She actually did like extensivestudies into Wiccan and Druidry
to get those spells.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:19):
So it's like I think it might be, and I'm not saying
this is okay, but like one ofthose authors who's like, I want
to make it as authentic aspossible, kind of mentality on
it.
Yeah.
It's possible why she did thestudies into it.
I'm not defending her, don't getme wrong on that.
I'm just more of trying to findreason within it, is all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:39):
Yeah, but then we go around to the other things like
the like the goosebump books,and and scary stories to tell in
the dark.
Like there's no gray area inthose.
No, there's one purpose to thosebooks, it's to scare you.
And so we I guess we gottareally hammer out that.
Like, why do we find joy inbeing scared?

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:02):
Probably it's a safe, thrilling, like like why
do we have people, and thismight end up getting weird to
some or sound unrelated, butit's like, why do we have people
who go drive cars fast?
Why do we have, you know, I meanget people who climb mountains?
And it's it's a it's a form ofseeking thrill to some degree.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:24):
I guess that's what it is, is it's a thrill thing,
but that's what I'm saying.
Like, because it's across theboard, everyone has their
different tolerant tolerances.
So some things are too scary forpeople, but then they do other
things that it would still fallin the camp of spooky.
It's just been I guess, I guessit's more tame.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:45):
So it's easier because like horror when you're
talking about thrill seeking iseasier because it's safe.
Yeah.
When you're talking aboutphysical uh harm, you're not
jumping out of an airplane,you're not gonna you might not
accidentally crash your car,yeah, and you might not get

(01:17:07):
stuck rock climbing.
Your worst case thing is youcould hurt your eyes watching
the TV or get a paper cutreading a book, turning the
page.
So it's a safe, easy, thrillseeking thing.
I think and it and it also is abit of an accomplishment to get
through something that's scary,right?

(01:17:29):
You you watch something that ishorror, and at the end of you
like, wow, I made it throughthat.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
But you just watched a movie,you know what I mean?
Yeah, so there's people likethat, that's why I think.
All right.
So yeah.
Tell us in the comments what'syour big thrill seeker?

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:52):
Yeah.
What wait?
Yeah, what's your big thrillseeker?
Well, what is your big thrillseeking activity?
And also, why are you doinghorror?

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:07):
No, I'm just kidding.
What is your big thrill seeking?
No.
I am Spartacus.
Anyways, all right, that's theshow.
I hope you guys did it.
Thank you for joining us forSpooky Season episode 56 of the
podcast.
Episode 56 of the Saints thatserve podcast.

(01:18:27):
Saints that serve podcast.
That's right.
So, Christ is Lord.
And the kingdom is now.
We are the saints that serve.

(01:19:03):
No, I am supported.
No, I am supposed to I amsupportive.

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Episode 56 - Faith & Children’s Horror