From Junior to Juggernaut: The Evolution of Buffalo Trace's Stagg Bourbon

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Tonight we've got Super NashWoo.

(02:14):
Yeah, we've got super nash whoo.
Yeah, we've got ct, everybodyand myself, tiny uh, um, kind of
like pumped up.
Uh, for this podcast.
I think it's kind of like thatthis, this time of year leading
up to this, it's finally spring,you and we're all getting ready
, although I think the state ofOhio did a really good job of
releasing some good stuff andout there and you're able to get

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some stuff they had, you know,a couple kind of things that
kept us, got us through, butit's still a lot different, you
know, as far as you know,getting through the winter and
we're finally getting to someweather that might be a little
bit warmer.
It's still a lot different, youknow, as far as you know,
getting through the winter andwe're finally getting to some
weather that might be a littlebit warmer.
And I just feel like I got alittle bit more energy than what

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I normally have and kind ofexcited about like, this podcast
and a couple of the podcasts.
Well, you know, I wasn'tfeeling good.
Plus, I've been traveling 13states in the the month of uh in
the in the last month.
So between florida, I've beento tennessee, you know,
lynchburg, tennessee, jackdaniels, we've been to maker's

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mark for the, the podcast, andthen we've been to I was to
Whiskey Thief and then also Ijust went to New York.
So I was in for my aunt's 100thbirthday.
I think that's the first time Iwas around somebody
legitimately talking to themthat was 100 years old.

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I know Randy, so I know Randy.
Did you see Randy Prass had hishat made in New Orleans at that
hat place and the owner was 101years old and he just happened
to be in on a Friday.
Did you see that CT?
I did.

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That was so cool.
Yeah, that was.
And so he's going to be drivinghis Lincoln that he had his
dad's Lincoln that he hadrestored in Wisconsin and he got
one of those hats that lookslike he's going to go to the.
Either he's a sports reporteror he's going to the horse races
or the dog, you know, orbetting on sports or whatever.

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He's got that little hat thathe's going to drive when he
drives the lincoln to kentucky.
So that was kind of cool andhe's planning on using it for
the kentucky derby and it's justlike.
But the owner was 101 years old, I mean, and he was standing
next to randy and lookedcoherent.
He looked looked like maybe a75, like maybe an 80-year-old

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person, you know he didn't havethat kind of like.
He was, you know, on his lastleg he was there.
So that was kind of cool, allright.
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So, uh, there we go, we gotthat.
So who's excited about tonightwith the stag, this particular
stag?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I am.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I think this is, in my opinion, the perfect man's
bourbon, like it's just perfect.
It's barrel-proof and it's gotsome power to it.
It's barrel-proof and it's gotsome power to it.

(06:08):
They were saying between Ithought was it seven to nine
years, is where it's at.
Yeah, and honestly, when you'rejust starting out, I would say
that this particular bourbon islike something this is somewhat

(06:29):
obtainable.
It's not like it's a parent.
George T Stagg, you know it'snot.
That's a once a year releaseand it's very limited.
This is a twice a year releaseor even sometimes more right.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Actually, sometimes up to four times, because, as CT
just told us earlier, he's gotthe D right this is D, but I've
got some C batches.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
I've got.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
B and C.
I've had an A but it's beendepleted.
But yeah, I don't think I'veever had a D batch before.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, I agree what I've got—.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
This year it's been easier to—I shouldn't say easier
, but there has been more of itgoing around, I feel like yeah,
I've seen it in a lot moreplaces this year than I ever
have before.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well, I say so too because and the same thing with
most Buffalo Trace products herein Ohio it seems like instead
of six, when you're waiting inline, there's 12.
And in some cases there's evenmore than that.
You know, there's more casemaybe three or four cases on the
release now, so it's becomingmore available, which is a very

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good thing for all of us.
When it, when you're looking atmsrp, um, this is about, I
believe, um, if I'm not mistaken, it's it's in the 59.99, isn't
it, or was it?
Yeah, it was 60, about 60dollars, right?
Yeah, it's in the $59.99, isn'tit, or was it?
Yeah, it was $60.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
About $60, right.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
It's $59 to $79.
Depends on where you get it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
But I mean decent price.
You look online right now.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
It's a great price.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
It's $200 to $400 online.
If you're looking to pull itoff a line, you can get it, but
they're asking two to fourhundred and about three quarters
of the places that are askingthat they're sold out, you know
they don't always have it, but,um, this is a very uh, what
would you say readily?
Oh, breaking up on the youtube.

(08:37):
All right, man's burp.
I don't know why I'm breakingup on the youtube tonight, but
sound.
Let's see if it's just thiscausing a problem.
Maybe it is, maybe it's not.
I'll try that.
Really kind of like I said, myfirst bottle I ever had, super

(09:02):
Nash gave it to me for Christmas.
Um, super nash gave me it to mefor christmas and I mean I
drank it.
I saved that bottle and took itto a packer game and only drank
it after a packer victory.
So now I take my bottle of stagand I'll, if we're gonna win, I
I'll share it.
I believe I took took my otherbottle of stag that I had gotten

(09:22):
, which I believe was a C from2023.
And I was up there and they wonand I was drinking it with the
guy up there and he never sawBuffalo trace products and he
had a nice bourbon collection.
So I left about half the bottlewith them, you know, because I
have bottles of stag and youmight, you know, you share it,
you know.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I remember that game and remember your post when you
did that and that was so cool.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
And do you remember my post Christmas morning?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, I remember that one too, but that was so cool
that you know, and that's whatwhiskey and bourbon, and the
whole community, since I beganto actually learn it and know it
and know the people in it issharing the whiskey and the
stories behind it.

(10:14):
You know, and I don't know whatam I trying to say here?
Ct, the camaraderie.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yes, yeah, the fellowships.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
That you get with it.
That's what it's all about.
That's what it became.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I think we've all seen.
We travel a lot and there's somany different things out there
to try.
I mean you, you come to ohio,some people haven't tried.
You know a brand like middlewest and you like to be able to
have them try it, to see it, andyou go to tennessee and I'm
sure, there's some things downthere that, uh, we don't get up
here, that you want to try, soit's just the whole bourbon

(10:59):
whiskey community, but this yearit's definitely been something
that you've seen a lot on socialmedia.
There's been a lot about itbecause I think that 24d batch
whether there was just more ofit, I don't know, but it's
definitely been more availablethan some of them in the past uh

(11:19):
, in ohio and kentucky, yeah, I,I completely agree.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
You can start to sense the noose lightening up.
You know what I mean the that,that restriction of not having
enough bottles and thefrustration.
It's one thing to go, you know,and wait, in line with
everybody and honestly and adamroberts like, says stags his

(11:46):
personal- favorite and um butit's one thing to go in line
with everybody, but it's nicewhen you go in line and
everybody gets some.
You know what I mean.
Let's say there's 24 peoplethat were whatever, or 30,
whatever, and if everybody getssome, I mean that's, that's
where every you got the comp,you, you.

(12:07):
You basically feel it's it's.
It sucks when you wait in lineand only three people get get
something that you want, or sixpeople.
So now you feel likeeverybody's able to get
something.
That's decent.
Like I said that last thing,that last ohio drop, I got in
line at five to six because Ihad a chiropractor that I had to

(12:30):
go to and I got out at 5, 30drove over and I was in line at
five to six and I walked outwith an Elmer T Lee.
So the fact that there was somuch Weller and I could have
went back in line and got aWeller 12th know, it's like
there was so much of everythingthat everybody can get what they
want.
And when everybody's gettingwhat they want, I mean that

(12:51):
makes this even so much more fun.
You know, it's still not goingon the shelf itself where you
just walk in and get it.
You still got to wait in line,but at least when you wait in
line you get it right.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
And I totally agree with that.
It's like the one time that Iwent to a bourbon raffle at a
store this year.
It's like there was a line oflike 60 or 70 people and we all
went through the line and youknow, after they did the drawing

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, you know, and everybody gotwhat they wanted after they drew
their number and then some ofthem left and all that.
But then all of a sudden theysaid, well, we'll draw again.
So they did a second drawing,then they did a third drawing.
Then, after the third drawing,there were still a lot of
bottles left.
Then after the third round,there were still a lot of

(13:45):
bottles left.
And the people that were left,they were like, well, just get
in line, come back in and getwhat you want.
And it was like we just grabbedtwo or three bottles of what we
wanted and there were stillbottles left.
Well, and I found that to bethe same with a lot of, a lot of
the lotteries, you know, thestore lotteries, which that
happens in the uncontrolledstates.

(14:07):
It doesn't happen so much, Iguess, in the controlled states,
like where you guys live, butin the uncontrolled states when
they do the lotteries like that,it's happened a lot this past
year and I saw it and it wasjust amazing these past, this

(14:28):
past year, and I saw it.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
It was just amazing.
Now my question is it are theychanging the way that they're
making it?
Are they they putting it outyounger?
You, you know that's thequestion, because I do know that
, um, I was talking to um mattmayhair and he was talking in
line and he was talking aboutsome of the stuff and how
they're putting out more, butthey're also putting it out

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younger.
Now I don't know, that's thefirst time I ever heard that,
but he usually has a pretty goodinside aspect to that, and so
go ahead, I do know that whenthe juniors were out, when that
was a thing more you know a fewyears ago, it seemed like they
only talked about eight nineyear.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Now they've extended it to seven through nine, so
maybe there is some truth tothat.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
There is some truth to that and I actually read a
little bit of history.
A little bit of history.
When they dropped the junior,they actually, in the first year
, they actually entered thebatch into the five-year
category in one of thecompetitions which suggested

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that they had somefive-year-olds added into the
batch.
And then I also found outfurther reading that they the
batches when they dropped thejunior and just became stag the
first couple of years that itdropped down to ages six to
eight years.
All right so, but now, sincethen, the batches have came up

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and the batches have received oractually risen back up to the
eight to nine year old bourbonWell.
So, yeah, those first couple ofyears when they dropped the
junior, it did drop down alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Well, and then I think this is only the third
year they've done it right.
I mean, this year, I think Ithink the junior was there, and
then you got this 23 and 24,yeah, yep, yeah.
Now it's 25 for three.
Yeah, so, but what I'll say isum, that's just like with knob
creek.
At one point they had to losethe age statement because they

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had to add some seven and eightyear instead of the nine year.
And then, but they had beenmade.
You know they're as they hadmade more.
You know they're gearing theseup and they've been making more
at the distilleries.
They're able to meet the demandback with the the right amount.
You know that that seven year,two years later, is now a nine

(17:07):
year, right, so that's whatwe're looking at there.
So that's pretty cool.
Now, um, whiskey thiefdistilling.
I think that might be walter.
I'm not sure who's asking, butthere he asked if we could pick
them up a couple bottles.
And yeah, walter, when theyrelease it, I, if you're looking

(17:28):
for that, or whoever's atwhiskey thief distilling, I can
uh try and get one for youbecause that's one of the ones
yeah absolutely I.
I have had enough stag in in mylife and it is just like between
drinking bookers and stag whenyou know there's only so much
barrel proof whiskeys that youknow it's that you can drink.

(17:51):
You like to drink the otherlower proof sometime, just to
give your liver a rest andabsolutely.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
uh, that's another thing too.
Everybody knows that's onething that I love to do.
I always love to help procurebottles for people that can't
get them.
I mean, I'm traveling so muchand go to so many places and
there's a lot of times that I'llpass up bottles that I see out
there to, you know, to allowother people to get them,

(18:21):
because I've got them and I'vegot so many other backups and
things like that.
But if I know somebody'slooking for them, I'm glad to be
able to pick up a bottle forthem.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Well, this is unique what I got going tonight,
because I have the last batch ofStagg Jr here and it is at
130.9 proof, and I've now thanksto you, super nash, on my
birthday, which I just openedI've got the first batch of stag

(18:54):
.
So these are the back-to-backbatches and let's.
I wanted to compare the two tosee if, when they dropped it did
, they maintain the quality andwe talked about it Just because
it's a little bit younger.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Hey, Jeff, did you say that one?
You guessed 130.2 proof.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
No, this one's 130.9 and this one is 131.
Okay, 130.9 and 130.9, and thisone is 131.
Okay, 130.9 and 131.
So there are.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I've got the 24B, which is 127.8.
And I've got the 24C, which is125.9.
And a little bit to touch onwhat you were talking about,
I've read a couple differentreviews on the batches coming

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out in 23 when they dropped thejunior, and a couple of the
reviews that I had read.
They were saying you know and Idon't want to mention their
names or anything, but some ofthe reviews that I read were
saying that it was lacking alittle bit in 23, was lacking a

(20:18):
little bit from what the StaggJr was as far as the, the
tasting and the aromas that youwere getting.
And uh, I'm kind of wonderingif they were, it's because they
were trying to put out more andand putting a little bit younger
bourbon in there, if that mightbe the cause.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
All I could say is that when you're dealing at 130
proof it's hard.
I think you could produce abatch and if you had to taste it
blind it would be tough, evenwith some younger bourbon in
there.
Just my opinion.
Response to no drinking lowerproof, I I will say because

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whiskey thief distilling is oursponsor and they only do uncut,
unfiltered, straight from thebarrel.
I will say that the reason whyI drink less stag is because I
drink a lot more whiskey thief.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
There you go there you go there you go, so there we
go.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
What was Walker saying?
What place are you talkingabout there?
Ct.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
I said Walter.
Walter said that Kentucky isthe toughest place to find
bourbon and I said I know aplace.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's the toughest place to find.
It is hard to find bourbon on.
I said I know a place.
It's the toughest place to find.
It is hard to find bourbon onthe shelf yeah, but well, but
you gotta go to the distilleriesand you can get a lot of
bourbon if you go to drink andtaste it.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
There are a couple of nice places to go in Kentucky
and close to Walter too.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, there's some great liquor stores that you can
do tastings at things that wedon't have quite the opportunity
here.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
So also to a couple of restaurants that usually
procure a lot of differentbottles and usually have several
different uh bottles of youknow of years on on the shelf
that you can go and taste, sowhich uh always found and love
to go to.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
So gage spence asked the general question on youtube
is stag worth a damn or not?

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yes, it's definitely worth a damn.
It's good and I'll make thispoint real quick about it
because Randy said this in anearlier message on the Facebook
chat For $59.99 in the state ofOhio it is cheaper than
Blanton's.
It is probably one of the bestvalue bottles for what it is, um

(23:09):
, in the state of Ohio.
Now, if you're paying secondaryand you're paying 150 to 200
dollars, you know that's up toyou.
But uh, I do think that theyare very good bottles.
The juice is good.
I just drank my first drink of24d just now and it's delicious.
So I I'm, I'm stoked.
I can't wait to get into thatbottle more.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Well, you can do it tonight out there.
So I'm telling you what this isa absolute cherry bomb.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Okay, it is so the nellers and the cherries come
out, but you also get that nicebarrel char and you get a nice
open flavor to it, but it's notoverpowering.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
It's not like it's been in the barrel too long.
That's what's unusual.
These high proofs.
Like you said, it's notoverpowering.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Right, and these two are at 130.
So 130.9 and 131.
I mean, they're .1 off and I'mtelling you I could tell by the
nose, but they are really close.
So I'll give a little historyof the Stagg
brand.
From Breaking Bourbon, stagg Jrwas first announced in 2013 and

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, with its junior designation,it was expected to be a more
widely available version of itscounterpart, released annually
as part of the buffalo traceantique collection george t stag
.
Initially, some commented thatit seemed closer to a barrel
proofproof version of BuffaloTrace bourbon than the original
George T Stagg.
Yet it quickly gained theattention of enthusiasts as it

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capitalized on the growingpopularity of the Stagg name and
barrel-proof bourbons ingeneral.
In 2021, buffalo Traceannounced that Batch 18 would be
the first batch to lose Juniorfrom its name and simply be
called stag.
Stag is released twice a yearin waves that can be spread out
for a few months, with a releasedate that corresponds to a

(25:14):
season rather than a month.
The bourbon age is believed tohover between seven to nine
years old.
We awarded stag junior batch 12the best whiskey of 2019.
Now this is the um.
This is 12 right here okay, butthis is the the summer 2024

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release um review.
So they were saying only twobatches, but you're doing a, b,
c and d in some cases.
So is it just a and b?
Is just a, b on one batch andthen c, d on another batch, or
is it four separate batches?

Speaker 3 (25:50):
you can well there's a proof change on all of them.
22, there were two batches, aand b.
In 23, there were three batches.
24, four batches 24, fourbatches and in 25, we don't know
yet but we're thinking it mightbe five batches.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
That's what someone said.
I saw that it could be 12.
Why would there be 12 batches?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I'm with Tiny.
If they're going by the yearsand you know maybe sort of if
that's what their play on this,I'm hoping it is, but we haven't
seen the 25.
If they're going to do 5batches, they're going to be
releasing pretty quick becausewe hadn't seen the 25A yet.
No, they're not going to dofive batches, they're going to

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be releasing pretty quickbecause we haven't seen the 25A
yet.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
No, they're not going to do it, so it's going to be
pretty hard to be doing fivebatches.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So who's got the current batch right now?
Has there been a 25A yet?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
No, I haven't seen it .

Speaker 1 (26:54):
So the 24D is what you got right there ct and
that's the last.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
That's the last batch that's released.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
That was the current one yeah, like it and I just got
this bottle.
So I would think that if youwent out and you found one
luckily that was a drop that'sthe bottle you're getting.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
yeah, and I was.
I was reading from somebodyelse.
There was so much confusion andall and so much released within
the last couple of months of of24 that there was a lot of
people.
I mean there was a bunch ofstuff released, oh yeah, but you

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know, I mean it was just likeBuffalo's website.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right hasn't been updated on their batches since
summer of 2021.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, they're way behind on that, so I was even
looking for that for trying toget information for tonight.
Yeah.
But you know, know, like I said,I was going to a few groups and
other other reviewers, uh,looking for information and uh,
one of one of the reviewers wassaying that you know they were

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was just so much released thatyou know they they actually had
reviewed the 24C before they gotin Christmas, before they
actually got hold of the 24B inJanuary, because it was just the
way things were dumped out andreleased at the end of the year

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the end of the year.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
So, yeah, I don't think, uh, anybody's complaining
if they, like I said, if you,if you waited in line in ohio
especially, and you got a batch,of whatever it was in a stag
bottle and it was 59.99.
You were probably prettyexcited because, again, for a
drinker I'm not saying foraflipper, because flippers are
always looking for differentthings, but for a drinker, um, I
don't know how you go wrong atthat price point for something

(29:02):
that's that.
Uh, you know because here'sanother point.
So benchmark, benchmark shares,the same benchmark shares, the
same mash bill, mash bill numberone and obviously, benchmark
eight not even comparable.
But this is foolproof at 125proof.
And while this is a bottle thatpeople are like, hey, 25 to 29,

(29:24):
it's a good bottle.
The cherry and vanilla note ishardly even noticeable in that,
compared to a stag.
So but while people will tellyou, oh yeah, if you can't find
stag, go go get a Benchmark,foolproof, it's not the same.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Well, but Taylor is the same as Benchmark, okay, so
they're all Mashville.
Mashville won.
So Taylor's the next step upbefore Stag.
So a Taylor barrel proof wouldbe, but they don't.
They seem to.
That is a more, in my opinion.
Stag pulls out either cherry orbrown sugar a lot of the times,

(30:01):
and what happens in my and andand uh?
Taylor usually pulls out alittle bit more of the tobacco
leathery notes, along with somesweetness of caramel.
So they're, even though they'rethe same mash bills, they're
picking the different um areas.
But what I will say about stag,though, when you take it up to

(30:23):
where it's at um and thesebatches, I think out of
everything that I drink frombuffalo trace, that the stag,
this, this, this brand is theone that stays consistent, the
most batch to batch.
That brown sugar note is almostalways there.

(30:44):
Now, sometimes you'll get acherry one if they drop the
proof a little bit, but ifyou're on the higher proof ones
like these two, it's just likethere's a little bit of cherry,
there's brown sugar, there'scaramel.
It's just such a wonderful nose.
And then I'll sniff.
You go to this one and it'svery, very, very similar.

(31:05):
I mean they are this is, youknow, like they aren't Batch to
batch.
They don't change that much.
They stay on their profile,where some of the other stuff
seems like no matter what you'redrinking.
It always seems like there'ssome different versions of the
profile.
Wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
absolutely, I agree on that.
And hey, just to let you guysknow, on a little secret uh, ct,
you know how you're always uhdoing these experiments with the
barrels and stuff.
Oh yeah Well, my experiment forthis year and to be released at
the Kentucky Bourbon Festival tous and some people that attend

(31:49):
the festival.
I've got a bad motivatortwo-and-a-half-gallon barrel
that I'm filling with theBitSmart Foolproof Nice.
I'm going to age it.
I've just been waiting for theweather here to start getting
warm enough for it to startaging good, and I will be

(32:12):
filling it within the next twoweekends before I go to Mexico.
Very, nice.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I have a bad motivator barrel I will also be
bringing.
Mine is the rum barrel.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Oh cool and so, like I said, so look forward to that,
and also just a shout out foreverybody Kentucky Bourbon
Festival.
It's going to be going on salepretty soon.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Pre-sales April 16th and the regular sale is April
17th.
Yeah, the last podcast that.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
I did by myself.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I covered that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Okay, I'm sorry, but I have to give a shout out when
I can.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'm working on getting Randy on to promote it.
I gave him first shot at ourthing.
We're going to be having MartinKennedy from Bua on remotely in

(33:24):
the next month.
From Ireland they're going torelease up here the stout-aged

(33:49):
Irish whiskey, thestout-finished Irish whiskey, up
here to Cleveland and Akron andCanton in the next couple weeks
.
So once I have it he wants tocome on from Ireland.
I'm also working on anotherJervasi podcast because the
podcast that we did from Jervasiwith Shea, for whatever reason,
has had a huge popularitycompared to all of our other
podcasts.

(34:10):
So we'll probably be doing thatand I've joined their
distillers club.
They have a distillers clubwhere he's walking.
I had to miss the first onebecause I was out of town at
Maker's Mark that's when we wereall at Maker's Mark.
But I picked up my bottle andit's really exciting because

(34:31):
this is the first eversingle-barrel release of bourbon
from Gervasi and it isfantastic, guys.
I mean what's really cool islook at the difference.
I mean it's kind of cool, right.
The bottles are very.
It's kind of got a similarity,right.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, it does anyway, I wanted to ask CT what two
batches do you have?

Speaker 4 (34:57):
there A couple questions about oh, 24d, is this
bottle?
Yeah, and this is batch 12 ofStagg Jr.
Have you got pours of?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
both of those.
Oh yeah, 24d and 24B right.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Well, not 24B, it's Jr.
This is Jr.
Okay, jr B's Junior.
This is Junior.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Okay, junior Batch 12 .
Batch 12.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Okay, which was the one that Jeff read off that they
picked as the best batch,whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah it was.
That was the best batch of thatyear.
What's?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
funny is every bottle of stag that I have has come
from Kentucky.
I've never got one in Ohio.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Okay, oh, that's cool too.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I have obtained two bottles in Ohio, but I could
have gotten four to six, justbecause when it was available to
get actually, the one time Iwent for barrel proof, I was
hoping for Taylor barrel proofand I was fourth in line and

(36:04):
there was only three barrelproofs I got a Stagg Jr on my
own.
I picked up another Stagg Jrand the last two years I had
shots at two more Stagg Jrs andI passed up for other stuff and
I will tell you you it was anhonor to get this bottle from
you and because I got thisbottle bottle from you, I passed

(36:25):
up this year's, the recentrelease since then, so that you
know.
So now that walter wanted me topick him up one, I'm sure I'm
gonna have a shot, because italways seems like Stagg Jr is
being released with fourdifferent things and that's one
of the defaults?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, and.
I'll pass him up in NorthCarolina, because North Carolina
is an uncontrolled state too.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Who's he blaming?

Speaker 4 (36:52):
I'm guessing me For what?
Because I got all mine inKentucky.
He blames you for stealing itall right, he just got a
cinnamon finish after a cherrypalette hey, I gotta tell you,
when I got this last one, though, I walked into, uh, my, my one

(37:14):
of my stores in kentucky andthey were like, well, you picked
a good day to come in.
I said, oh yeah.
They said, yeah, we just gotthis and this and it was one of
the bottles.
So uh, that was, that was a goodday and I didn't wait in line a
minute.
I walked right in and took itand bought that bottle and
another couple of bottles andwent yeah, I mean honestly, it's

(37:37):
it.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Anybody who's hunting , you're gonna hit a stag here
or there.
There's always been just alittle bit more of it than other
stuff.
It's almost like, in my opinion, of getting a taylor small
batch.
And it's funny because, if youremember, I was buying taylor
small batch before the bourbonboom, you know, when I was just

(38:00):
drinking bourbon and I loveTaylor Small Batch and then
Baker's 7 was two of myfavorites that I was able to get
off the shelf.
And then it was five yearsbefore I was able to get another
small batch and it was SuperNash who came up here.
And it was Super Nash who cameup here and basically the first
year that we were podcasting hecame up and he showed me what to

(38:22):
do to get the small batch andhow you go about hunting,
because I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I do now Absolutely, oh my gosh, you've taken it to a
whole other level.
I mean In which this podcastallows us a whole lot more.
And me too, when you go tothese lotteries and these lines
and stuff like that, now it'snot just standing in line for a

(38:52):
bottle of whiskey, it's thepeople that I meet and talk to,
to the different groups thatthey belong to and all.
And then it's like, oh my gosh,oh you, you, you're a whiskey
podcaster and all this.
Yeah, you know I do this.
So, oh good, you think aboutthis and all this.
And then it's like I'm passingout cards and I'm meeting people

(39:13):
from all over the place andit's just so much fun.
So this podcast has allowed meto take my whiskey hunting to a
whole other level.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, I find, like I said, it's been something.
Like I said, it's beensomething.
Now there's other bourbons thatI've, but this is the one I
feel I've been the luckiest onand I just love.
But I mean, when it comes tothis, it's 130 proof and this it

(39:54):
doesn't.
It drinks from the standpointof not the palate but the hug,
as if it's 130 going down.
This is a definite cold weatherbourbon, you got to admit it

(40:15):
warms you from the inside, nomatter which batch you're
drinking.
So I'm going to compare thisreal quick.
I'm going to do it, I'm goingto sip and compare the last and
the first where they had thejunior and then they dropped it.
So I'm going to give them twocomparisons and let everybody

(40:35):
know if I can tell After apalate shock the first time.
And I'm telling you when you'redrinking wow, do you remember

(40:58):
CT?
When we were driving up toGalena and we were doing the
nose kit, you know the aroma kit, we couldn't figure out the one
flavor Cherry, yeah.
So now, every single time Itaste that, I think of our road
trip, because I still can smellthat flavor, not knowing what it
was until they said cherry.
And now I taste it any time Now.

(41:21):
The Last Egg Junior definitelyhas a cherry.
It's all brown sugar frontpalate, then cherry as it goes
to the back and this one getslike a sweet tart on the finish.
I'm trying to think if it'sstill a cherry sweet tart.
Does anybody else have thatlast batch of Junior?

Speaker 4 (41:49):
I don't have that but as I'm getting through these a
little bit, comparing a Stag anda Stag Junior, what's funny is
the cherry.
The depth, almost a little bitof a chocolatey cherry is in
that 24D and that batch 12 has alighter brown sugar flavor.

(42:12):
That's a little stronger for methan what the new batch does,
but they're both very good, bothgreat noses, and they're not.
You know, when you smell them.
These two are not like oh mygosh, they're the same, they
smell the same.
They definitely have adifferent nose.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well, these two which are back-to-back batches, which
the last batch of Junior was 18, right, Am I right what?
What was the last batch?

Speaker 3 (42:46):
of junior what 18.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
What 18 right 2018 yeah so then, this one is the
first batch of Junior withoutthe Junior.
When was that 21?
19.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
No, no, no, no, no no .

Speaker 1 (43:08):
It's 21 and 20.
It might be 21 and 22.
Because I remember buying thisone, which was the first one,
and that's just not that longago, and this was no go ahead.
So I put it this way Okay, so Ilike that one, so now I'm going

(43:32):
to hit the other one.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Let me look at something here, wow.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Actually the first batch of stag is better than the
other one.
That has way more brown sugar,a little bit of cherry, but
there's no tartness on the back.
It's way sweeter.
Also, let's see what's thesweetness.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
What's up, jd?
Hope you're doing good man.
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Thank you, nash.
This batch right here isfantastic.
It kind of takes I amdefinitely warmed up, that's for
sure but it's so rich and it'sso the viscosity and what's

(44:39):
happening.
Let's see how it rolls aroundin the glass.
I'll roll it around here.
Let it go around, pull her up,look what it does.
Let's see what it does for legs.
Yeah, it just sticks there.
And this is such a strong, youknow, barrel-proof whiskey.

(44:59):
Let me, I think, think I gotthem.
Did I put them up?
No, right here?
Um, you know, and it's, I lovethe bottle barrel proof and
unfiltered.
Here's what.
George t stagg was born inKentucky on December 19, 1835.
We should be celebrating thatday.

(45:21):
Stagg built the most dominantAmerican distillery in the 19th
century on the banks of theKentucky River during a time
known as the Golden Age ofBourbon.
The distillery survived floods,fires, droughts and even
prohibition when it made whiskeyfor medical purposes.
Today, buffalo Trace Distillerystrives to carry on the

(45:44):
tradition of its famousforefather, uncut and unfiltered
, like the Scotchy Bourbon Boysand Whiskey Thief Distilling
this company, this robustbourbon whiskey ages for nearly
a decade and boasts the boldcharacter that is reminiscent of
the man himself.
So does it say that too Agesfor nearly a decade.

(46:09):
Both bottles say that exactsame thing, so it's got to be
close to some of the nine yearsstill in it.
Right, because they said nearlya decade.
Yes, the first non-junior is131 proof.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, yeah, and it was batch 17.
No, actually it was batch 18.
Batch 17 was the last for thejunior, which was 128.7 proof.
What's the?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
130.9?
.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
It was batch 16, summer of 21.
Okay, so you were right beforethe last batch.
So I got 16 and you got batch16, 130.9 proof and 18.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
All right.
Well, I'm telling you they'reclose, but Batch 18,.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Winner of 2022, was 131 proof.
That was the first batch thatwas officially without the the
junior and I got that.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I purchased that batch and you gave it to me for
christmas.
I walked away.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
I remember pulling that away from that, so I've got
a list of all the batches, allthe way to batch one right here
in front of me right now BecauseI must have had.
I just looked it up because Ihad to know myself.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Well, it's good that we put that out.
It's good that we put that out.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
It was batch 17,.
The last release to have Juniorincluded and it was winner of
2021 at 128.7.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Proof has anybody got that?

Speaker 3 (48:20):
one.
What was the proof?
Yeah, the batch 17,.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
128.7 proof and that would have the last junior on it
.
No, mine's a 130.2, the otherjunior I have 130.2,.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
You have a batch 23.
No, it's a batch 14.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Okay, I have 12 and 14 then of junior.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's batch 14, spring of 2020.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Alright, so now we get to compare it against the
big boy 2020.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
So now we get to compare it against the big boy.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, I'm actually drinking a.
Yeah, this is a 2024 130.4proof.
George T Stagg.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Martin, how in the heck do you tell what year they
are?

Speaker 3 (49:17):
You go by the batch, but I just know when I got this
bottle.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
So this is a 135 proof, the one that you gifted
me.
So what is that?
The?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
135?
Let me look that up.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
Ooh, I want to say that, let me look that up.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Ooh, so here's what the one you gave me initially
Nash yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I remember I gave you your first bottle of that too,
and that was 132.3.
I'll tell you in just a second.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Because that's on the mantle.
I put that bottle up there.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
The crazy thing is, is this one when you compare it
with the regular stags.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
What was your CT?
135.
135.
Yours is a.
I believe it's a 23.
It's Because this list goes upto 22.
And I'm thinking I'm prettysure I'm thinking yours is a 23.

(50:36):
Jeff, what was yours?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
A 132 something.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
That 24D note is insane.
Let me look at another list.
24d has got it going on.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I'm loving the 24B, so you gave me a 132.3, which
would be bat six in spring ofNope.
Nope, that 132.3 was batch 12from that's your batch from 2019
hey, ct, yours is 135, right,yours is a 15 year age.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
135 approved 2023.
Jeff, what?

Speaker 1 (51:35):
was yours.
Mine was 2019, batch 12, andthat's the same batch.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
That, uh, that yeah, your t has right there.
Yours is 116.9 15 year right no, what the?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
the 2019 was 132.3.
132.3?
Yeah, 2019.
I have that on here.
Well, I've got it on theBuffalo Trace website Batch no

(52:23):
okay, hold on 132.3 batch 12summer of 2019.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
132.3 is what you gave me initially.
Okay, we're looking at stag,junior.
Jeff, I'm looking at junior.
Yeah, it is because that's thebottle right here.
That's 132.3, batch 12.
That's Jr.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah, we were talking about that, no we're talking
about George T Stagg.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
We're talking about George T Stagg.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Oh, you want to know what my.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
George, yeah, the George T Stagg that I gave you.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Well, I got to go find that false bill.
Oh my God, let's see.
I think it's in the.
I might have.
Even I'll have to look.
Hold on.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
And I'm actually drinking on a 2020 130.4.
George T Stagg is what I've gotopen.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
I'll tell you, nash, you got to get a 24d.
The 24d, in my opinion, isbetter than the george c sag.
Wow it.
The flavor is just wow.
I mean, nose it, just it beatsit, it's.
It is so stinking sweet andjust oh.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Well, here's mine Mine.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
You should know which one you gave me, because you
gave me that special low-proofbottle, if you remember Super
Nash.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
For Christmas it was 116.9.
Yep, there it is 2019 look atthat color, oh my god.
Yeah, I gave you the 2019bottle your guys are super dark.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
That would be, I mean honestly looking at that.
That should tell you something,right there is it Canadian
whiskey?
No, I put in it's Jim BeamDouble Oak.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Double Oak.
I know you emptied that bottle.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Don't be trying to re-gift that this Christmas I'll
be paying attention to that.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Oh my God, it tastes so much like Beam.
It's just like my kids aregoing be like holy shit, he's
gotta be dead.
No, you're a flipper, aren'tyou?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
you're a flipper, aren't you?
No, I'm not um refilling,refilling bottles I gotta
remember why I did it.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I oh, it was because I wanted to do a poor video from
the stag, so I just filled itup and with whatever and use the
bottle because I didn't have.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Oh my gosh, so you've got a fake video out there.
Please, everybody, disregardthat.
That is not a fake, it's not afake video.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
It's so funny, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
like, like yeah we're both laughing literally wait,
wait.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
It's like apple juice .
I gotta ask I had I gotta addsome uh coffee in there?

Speaker 3 (55:29):
hey, that's what a real ge T Stagg looked like.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, no kidding, it's up against a stag.
I mean like look, Look at CT.
I know.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
That's right, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
It wasn't there as far as.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
That's what Super Nash does for you.
That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Nash, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Hey, I love you guys.
Yeah, now that is the bottle.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
You know, the George T Stagg is a whole other level
of finding that bottle becausepretty much it's got to be
entered into some kind ofdrawing or you know you're not
walking in and finding that I'veseen that's cool.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
That's cool Out of all the ones Out of all the ones
out there, I always can see theGeorge T Stagg.
I've actually I understandyou've got to pay a decent
amount for it, but I've seen itokay, but the one that I've
never seen.
You don't see it like I do.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
CT?
He didn't, I hadn't had achance to tell you.
I told him, but you know I'dbeen entered in the lottery at
Helen's Cellary Helen's Cellars,right?
So like about what?
Five or six weeks ago, jeff, Igot a call from him, right?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
No about two or three .
No, no, right before the.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
It was in February.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Right before Maker's Mark, like the week before we
went to Maker's Mark.
Yeah, the week before.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Maker's Mark.
So I get a call from him onSaturday I'm out in my shop
working.
I just happened to come intothe house, you know, had my
phone out there jamming.
I come back out and I see this404 number from Helen Georgia.
I was, oh my God.
I called them back immediately.

(57:25):
I said hey, this is Martin Nash.
Are you calling me about thelotteries?
Yeah, we pulled your number, soguess what you won a George
T'sies.
Yeah, we pulled your number, soguess what you won a George T
Stagg.
Oh, jeez, yeah.
So yeah, I went up three dayslater and so I've got this
year's George T Stagg, or 2024George T Stagg, sitting in my

(57:50):
closet in there.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, and just so you knower, it was the same time at
the same time they had a fewbottles left.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
That's where I I got this stat, this stag, uh c,
because I had the b but I didn'thave the c.
So uh, I said, and they saidwas there anything else you want
that's left over here?
I I said what about that stag?
Yeah, I'll take it too.
But yeah, that's like my fourthbottle of George T Stag that

(58:25):
I've won in the lotteries.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Well, and I've seen and known people that have won
George T Stagg.
I think honestly, I think inthe lottery just this year,
whiskey won a bottle of George TStagg.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Yeah, yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
So the George T Stagg is but the one bottle that
doesn't get.
I rarely see it was abundantthis year.
This one is not the abundantone, right.
Oh my gosh, this is the one.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
That's what I asked him for.
All the antique collectionexcept for the Dorsey Stag was
gone.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
All the Pappy's were gone because I wanted the Pappy
15.
I swear to God.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
The Dorsey Stag was left.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I would take this over.
Pappy 15 oh yeah, williamluerweller that's I think one of
my favorite of all time.
But just so you know, walker,I'm gonna throw this out here.
It wasn't a fake, pour I waspoor, doing a video of stag and
and george Stag and all thebottles I had, and I was pouring

(59:36):
it in a glass just for view,not for people to drink.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
I love it.
I love that he's giving me crap.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Hey Dario, what that?
He's giving me crap for this.
Yeah, you filled a bottle withapple juice.
It's not apple juice, it'sbeans.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Yes, walker, I am healed up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Walker says you look healed up.
You were healed up.
Oh, healed up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Is Walker healed up now the question Foundation.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Yeah, how about your ankle Walker?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Okay, so let's get back to the stag.
Yes, so the whole premise ofthis is having the stag junior
and then the first batch of stag, having the Stagg Jr and then
the first batch of Stagg.
Did they sacrifice anythingwhen they changed it?
Did they change anything?

(01:00:42):
And I'm going to say, based offthese two, You've got Jr too,
right CT.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
What do you think between the two that you're
drinking, but again, mine arevery different in the fact that
the Junior that I have has.
What am I trying to talk?
I'm trying to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
He likes his Junior.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Cheers Daru.
But Junior to me has a littlemore brown sugar.
I feel like 24D brought in justa super good cherry note that
I'm digging, and the more Idrink a 24D, which would be the
newest batch.
If they're going backwards, Iwant to, I want to taste the

(01:01:36):
forward, because these things,that 24d is amazing yeah, and I
don't think they're goingbackwards.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
I actually think no, I don't.
I don't think they're goingbackwards I think even in the
24d, I think they're starting toget some more age back in it
and that's just a thing.
Like Knob Creek, All I can sayis these are 0.1% proof off as
far as proof, and they got aconsistency, there's no doubt.

(01:02:04):
But I would say the brown sugaron the stag that first batch of
stag was really good.
The cherry was across the boardon both of them.
But I'm going to say no, theydidn't lose anything.
It's still there and that'ssomething to say, because
everything that you drink today,because of the fact that

(01:02:25):
there's not the consistency,isn't as important as it was
even in 2019, either they'remaking it better or it's still
not.
You know, whatever, andsometimes even some of the stuff
you have, it's not as good.
You know, you get a really goodbatch and then it takes a while
to get it back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
I gotta stand by it.
Like I say, I think they takepride in what they're doing with
the stag because you know itshows a reflection on the George
T stag.
You know, because it's got thename and, I believe, the taste

(01:03:08):
panel when they're pulling thesebatches and putting these
batches together, that they'vegot that profile that's always
been there and they work so hardfor it to stay there.
And what they do for the pricepoint, you cannot beat it.
Like we've said time and time,like we said at the beginning,

(01:03:30):
ct, and you too, jeff Tiny, youcan't beat it.
I think, like I said, they'redoing a great job and, uh, I
think they're going to continueto step it up, because that's
what they want the name to be Imean walter, you know we're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
He just said stag is the best ever.
How does buffalo trace do it?
The north Star period?
And I think it's honestly, Ithink you know George T Stagg is
you guys, did you guys compareit?
Did you pour some George TStagg?
And it's a different.
I think, yeah, I think George TStagg in itself is a little bit.

(01:04:10):
It's not.
It doesn't have the masculinityof the stag.
It from everything it's it'sgeorge t stag is like almost
there to be easier, it's andstag has that bite and that
thing that you want in a whiskeyand a bourbon that you're going

(01:04:31):
to drink.
And, as he said, it's the NorthStar.
But I mean it's just, it's likethat cold weather, cold night
thing where, where George TStagg, and it's like I got a
chance to drink the BuffaloTrace and tea collection across
the board and uh, and you gotthe 2024 this year.
Uh, and I got to taste thatbecause that was the awards at

(01:04:55):
that.
You know that was a bottle fromthe awards, uh, uh, competition
that happened at the brendiamopenthouse and I felt the stag
was george c stag was good, butonce again, when I drink the
stag junior, the warmth does?
Does your george t stags putout that hug?

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
that happens, that rich thickness, I've got to say
yes, but the George T Stagg tome it offers a lot more richness
.
Also, the age you can also tellthe age there, but it's not so
overpowering that it takes awayfrom the flavor.

(01:05:46):
There's a lot more had to payfor this, as compared to $79
that I had to pay for this,because that's what I had to pay
for this stag.
You know there's no difference.

(01:06:08):
I'd pay $79 all day long forthis because it's almost as
comparable, except for maybe theage and not quite so much as
the flavor.
I think the flavor is there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I mean it's there, but I think it's got more power
though, because when I drink thegeorge, the george c sag is
designed to have some easinessto it and it's still barrel
strength.
But this man, this has a littlebit of pepper that the Stag
George T Stag doesn't have andit's got like you know, it's

(01:06:45):
like a power pack.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
You got a good point there and I think that comes
from the blending there and Ithink that becomes.
That comes from the blendingand that's where that those that
taste panel where they blendthose barrels together that's
where that comes from and andyou make a great point about
that and I think that's wherethat comes from yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I mean, I just think this brand is something as, as
you know, know, I don't thinkfor the price that you pay, the
availability that's there andthe quality of what you're
getting it just is what you wantand you can get it, whereas,

(01:07:38):
you know, the George T Stagg islike, how do you put it?
This is the working man'sbourbon special bottle and the
George T Stagg is the rich man'sspecial bottle.
There you go, I said it.

(01:08:00):
So I mean, they both areexceptional.
I wouldn't turn down either oneof them, that's for sure.
But it really hurts your pocket, although you know, know,
lately, if you're paying 179 forthe george t stag I mean the
prices lately have gone up to apoint where 179 is cheap

(01:08:26):
absolutely you know pulling inthat double, double oak at 199
you9, you know,

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
So it does help and definitely considering when that
bottle right there at $179 goesfor, you know, $1,000 on the
secondary, $1,000 to $1,200 onthe secondary.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Well Walter's on my side he says Stag beats George T
Stag.
Sorry, not sorry.
George T Stag is effing andaging, preach tiny.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Well, especially in Ohio, where it's $59 per stag.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
But that's the price it should be.
You know that it's going to beeverywhere soon, didn't you say
it was on your side?

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
I disagree with that.
Compared to what is on themarket, stagg could easily Okay.
Why should Stagg not bring $99?
Compared to a Russell's 13,that's considerably more.
Now this bottle to me, for whatis in their lineup, should be

(01:09:32):
$99 retail.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
I love this.
Yeah, absolutely I agree withyou, Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I think anything.
The state of Ohio has reallybeen exceptionalized in the fact
that we're spoiled out of ourminds on what we can get things
for the price.
We get it Just like getting abarrel-proof.
You know, Colonel Taylor, EH,Taylor, barrel proof.
I mean at one point I waspulling stag for $54.99.

(01:09:59):
I mean I got the stag, what wasit?
I mean we were Eagle Rare, it'slike it was $29.99.
Eagle Rare, it was $29.99.
We just here in Ohio get it atprices that are even cheaper

(01:10:21):
than the distillery.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yep, yep.
That's why I like when I haveto travel and work in North
Carolina so much.
Oh, my gosh, they were doingdrops like you would not believe
and I missed every one of themup in North Carolina.
Uh, they dropped all theantique collections and, uh, the

(01:10:47):
Pappy's everything and I missedthem all because I was working
in the other direction.
But uh, but yeah, they droppedthem all at MSRP.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
No, yeah, MSRP it's funny can be different at
different places.
I mean, our MSRP is a littlebit more than the real MSRP
because the taxes in Ohio are alittle bit higher, but at the
same time, North Carolina ispretty close to Ohio's Pretty
close to Ohio's.

(01:11:20):
As Randy Ford says, we're allspoiled.
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
I agree with Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
We are a little spoiled now, just being able to
acquire what we do when we dowell, that's the best part about
it is when you're acquiring itas the scotchy bourbon boys,
when you walk in and you walkout and you're just like, really
, did that just happen?
And then even the cooler partis when people just send me it.

(01:11:53):
It's like that.
It's like you know, once ortwice a month there's a bottle
of bourbon on my doorstep and Ididn't even know who sent it to
me until I do some investigating.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
So you know, it's now like I say I I am becoming
completely spoiled because whenI'm I mentioned to the these
store owners here in SouthCarolina and Georgia and tell
them who I am and and all ofthem now are becoming and

(01:12:24):
knowing who I am and watchingthe podcast and all and how much
, or my Facebook pages, how muchI post about them, when I do
acquire bottles, and all of asudden, oh okay, well, I'm going
to give it to you for this, butyou know, and I mean, it's
considerably less from what theywant, for you know, because

(01:12:50):
they charge, you know, all theway upwards to secondary prices,
but I get it for considerablyless.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
That's why I didn't want to when we were in Kentucky
.
I didn't want to hurt yourfeelings that you were going to
be on double secret probationafter that.
Don't make me take away yourScotchy bourbon boys card oh my
god, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
I'm almost out again.
No, not really, but you're notgonna get no more printed really
yeah, so so you can go back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Um, one thing that I wanted to talk about is, uh,
kentucky bourbon festivaltickets are going to be going on
sale soon and look forward tothe podcast with randy prass.
He's going to be on.
I'll let you guys know when weget it.
And, uh, uh, I mean it's goingto be exciting this year.
Uh, there's a lot of new thingshappening.

(01:13:53):
It's a little bit different.
You guys got to admit, don'tyou love the evolution?
It's kind of like we're goingto basically do a prayer group,
ct, starting in August.
It's going to be once every twoweeks, just praying that all
things happen and we're going topray to the gods.

(01:14:13):
We're going to pray to the gods.
We're going to pray to the god,the weather gods.
We're going to pray so that youcan come down and experience
kentucky bourbon festival withus for the full, full time that
we're down there.
But we're gonna.
It's time for me to book thebus tour, so we're gonna put
that out there.
I need to get a count.
So I know what I'm dealing with.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
So, walter, said, we also need to start thinking
about the distilleries thatwe're going to choose this year
too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
What do you mean?
Choose what.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
For the bus tour.
For the bus tour, the threedistilleries.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Well, you guys can pitch in what you want to do.
Maybe we've never headed up tothe Louisville area.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
And we have special friends that's always offered
for us to come up there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
That has contacts with those distilleries that
live right there in theLouisville area which we can
talk about later, that's just ahard thing to do how we get
there and how we don't, just soyou know, then again yeah, it's

(01:15:32):
just a matter of paying a littlebit more for gas.
No well, maybe we'll go to thefrankfurt area, because we
didn't do that, and we'll makewhiskey thief fit and then we'll
just pick walter up when we'reup there listen, I was gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
I was just curious to say let's do this.
If, if we can get walter tocommit, we would make our first
stopief.
He has to go the rest of thetrip with us, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Yeah, we'll put that shout out right now.
Right now Walter.
We picked you up, we startedWhiskey Thief and you go with us
the rest of the way and,believe me, walter, I will turn
you on to some old, old, oldbourbon and whiskey, as I always

(01:16:20):
do everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yes, and then also, then afterwards we've got to go
to Buffalo Trace and you've gotto get Freddie to do our tour,
ct.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Oh well, we can probably get that to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
And maybe get a special, maybe get a special
tasting from Drew up there, youknow, the master blender.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Let me wake my wife.
What the butter said let mewake my wife.
You don't have to ask it rightnow.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
The butter said pray for the whiskey thief to still,
and we can do that.
But, I'm in.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
Oh, he says, but he's in, he's got to get clear.
Let me wait my wife.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
So basically, we'll have to just put it out that
it's the Kentucky Bourbon Boys,but sponsored by the Whiskey
Thief Distilling Company.
Bus tour.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
And also, too, I'll definitely contact freddie yeah,
yeah I'd say and your wife andwalter.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Your wife is invited a killer bus tour right there.
If we, if we go there and startat whiskey thief, we might have
to end at whiskey thief too,though just yeah yeah, that way
we can bring walter and his wifeback.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Well, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Well, maybe I know we got a thing, but we might have
to spend the night in that area.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
We can also do that.
I mean that's not out of thequestion, right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Right, right, and then figure out what the third
distillery would be, but maybewe'll let Walter pick what that
one is.
We go to Buffalo Trace and thenwhere afterwards I like it,
guys.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
That sounds awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Yeah, this is shaping up.
Yeah, this is a good start.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Yeah, well, if we would finish up after 5 o'clock,
we'll just then all go rightback to Whiskey Thief.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Hey, and then this year we wouldn't have to stop
pizzas because we could eat offthe food trailer at Whiskey
Thief.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Jeff's been talking about doing a barbecue with
Walter at Whiskey Thief.
It's the perfect opportunity todo a barbecue.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Who's been talking about that?
You said something to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Walter about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Yeah, about doing a barbecue.
Maybe that's a day well, youwouldn't want that, Then Walter
would have to be there makingsure all the barbecue was going
good no.
Walter will get people tohandle it.
He'll be back at 5 when theystart serving the barbecue.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
I think we've just totally set this up for maybe
the greatest bus tour ever.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Yes, it's sounding like it's going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Yeah, I got some other ideas up my sleeve, but
we're going to make this one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Maybe we can.
Then we could go from, we coulddo that, we could do Buffalo
Trace and then go see Jimmy andEddie at eddie at uh, turkey,
wild turkey, and we drag anddown and in james down to make
sure they go on the bus tour.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Oh, yeah, I'm sure there's another guy in frankfort
that'd like to come along bythe name of amzy amzy.
Yeah, amzy would do.
We might have to stop for lunchat Waffle House on the way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
No, that's out.
Waffle.
House is out, I'm going to haveto call no on that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
If we all get out and go to Waffle House, the shit
will hit the fan.
What about renting that totalcastle mansion right over that
Carl was talking about?
That sleeps like 10 people.
We rent that for the night thatnight.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Oh boy, scotty, bourbon Boy is throwing out the
castle to everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Walter.
I'll just give you a name,walter.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Oh my.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
God, you work on the castle and the barbecue.
You're just throwing out jobsfor him now.
Uh-oh, he'll get MZ in.
All right, we're in Walker'salready, like I got to be on
this, hey.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
He just suggested Wild Turkey.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
I said that, wait, I said that Because if we get Ann
and James on, she'll hook us upwith Bruce and Eddie.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Yep, and you're right , waffle House is perfect, it is
, it's the best, and I'm justhappy that Walter sees it that
way, because I know Amzie does.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Hey Walter.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
So we finish up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Waffle House is perfect.
You just don't realize the lastexperience we had with AMZ.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
At Waffle House.
I don't know how you After the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Bourbon Festival.
Yeah, A late night.
Well, actually it was a latenight after the first night of
Bourbon Festival.
Mm-mm.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Bourbon on the Banks of Bourbon, best Bourbon on the
Banks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Bourbon on the Banks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
yeah, the only night of Bourbon on the Banks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Yeah, it was Bourbon on the Banks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
And somehow I left you and Amzie to get into the
hotel on the back door and thenit turned into like a trek
through Mount Everest.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Hey, two drunks walking down the street, one
foot on the curb, one on thesidewalk, one on the curb, one
on the sidewalk.
Cops pull up.
Hey guys, you drunk.
We said no, you buying.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Do you think, hey, walter, so if we do this through
Kentucky Bourbon Boys, maybe,walter, we can do lunch at the
Penn Dentist Club.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
That's in the other city.
You fool, we're going to thefarm, not the downtown.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Where Tiny did not want to go in the first place,
where we were talking aboutlouisville and all that area,
and he's like oh no that's toofar.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Yeah, now he's talking about going there so I
think we're gonna have to talkto roger and make sure that
everything works out, but Idon't see why it's about 40
minutes oh wait, the lunch wouldbe at the stave right the stave
would be good and you knowthere's there's always uh.
If we can't get into uh to wildturkey, we can always go see

(01:23:04):
crazy dave for a tour.
That'd be no, and oh no, lethim take us on ground tour.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
My my, when I was in florida I saw my sister and she
was in Kentucky with herdaughter and they were just
driving around Kentucky and theyasked me where to go.
So I told them to go, but itwas a Sunday so everything was
closed that I told them to do.
They ended up at Wait, wait,what's it called?

(01:23:33):
I remembered Blame's Creek.
Blame's Creek, wait, wait, um,what's it called?
I remembered.
But glen's creek and michelle,my sister, was like it was like
a hundred degrees and we went inthere and we became captive.
She goes.
We were waiting for the tour.
They told us it was tour.
We sat there and all of asudden this guy sits us down and

(01:23:55):
we told him that we'rebeginners and he basically told
them in so many words that hedidn't care and that whatever he
poured them, it's impolite notto drink at all well, and you
know, you just have to know howto deal with country folk.
Okay, well, she did not know howto deal with.

(01:24:16):
She's from she's Wisconsin, butliving in Florida and she's oh
my God.
And so she was just telling meabout the experience and it was
like 8,000 degrees and then itrained and she was like freaking
out, driving on the road to getback up, you know, the one side
road.
She said the creeks were allhigh and that one was washed out

(01:24:40):
so they couldn't go back tocastle and key.
They had to go up that one roadand she thought somebody was
going to come down.
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
so that was pretty fun so, walter your question,
you said save paper, pendennisclub.
If we're coming to frankfurt,obviously save.
Uh, if we're coming tolouisville, then pendennis.
But I think that if we're goingto do the tour, bus tour,
taking people to the farm, isthe best place to go yeah,
absolutely not that I don't lovethe louisville spot I love it

(01:25:11):
but I think that the overallexperience it's it's kind of
like getting getting their feetwet into what got.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Well, I agree except you have to convince.
You have to.
Walter has to convince Hannahto be there when we're there.
Oh yeah, that's got to well,yeah, that's got to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Yeah, but a good point is maybe Hannah can come,
like the lunch stop would be agood place for the lunch stop
would be the stave yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
I'm going to try and get enough people for two buses.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
If we do this trip, there will be two buses.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Yes, absolutely We'll make it happen, we will.
I guarantee you we'll getenough people when they find out
what's happening on this trip.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
This will be the best bus tour we've had.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Yeah, and they might want to try to get enough people
to get a third bus.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
No, no, the two buses are all you can do at Distill.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
I know that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
If we get a third, bus, then we just stay at
Whiskey Thief the whole time.
The bus would take us there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Take us to lunch and put us back at Whiskey.
Thief would take us there.
I want to be on.
This will be an epic tour andyou'll be privileged to get get
on one of the two buses I'm justsaying.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Walter said hannah is there more than me.
Uh, no comment all right guys.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
we, we gotta get this wrapped up.
We're at 10, 15 boys yep, yep,for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Great podcast everybody tonight uh, we thanks
everybody for tuning in andwatching and commenting and just
hanging out with us and havinga good time, because that's what
we like to do yep, yep for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
so I'll get my bearings about me and I'll wrap
this up.
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(01:28:20):
good time, and live your lifeuncut and unfiltered, but also
drink responsibly and don'tdrink and drive and little
steve-o is going to take us out.
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:28:48):
Oh, show me the way to the next whiskey bar, oh,
don't ask why.
Oh don't ask why.
Oh don't ask why.
Show me the way to the nextwhiskey bar, oh don't ask why.
Oh, don't ask why.

(01:29:09):
For if we don't find the nextwhiskey bar, I tell you we must
die.
I tell you we must die.
I tell you, I tell you, I tellyou we must die.

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