Where Do We Go From Here?

Send us a text

In this episode of The Searchers Podcast, Shane, Josh, and producer Mandy take a winding trip down memory lane, starting with the cultural chaos of The Blair Witch Project and how it had them all fooled back in the day. From the movies they weren’t allowed to watch growing up (but probably watched anyway), to the dark twists in the Gabby Petito/Brian Laundrie Netflix documentary, the conversation gets real...fast.

They dig into what it means when true crime blurs with entertainment… and how easy it is to miss the deeper stories, especially when it comes to missing and murdered Indigenous women who never make the headlines.

Support the show

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
All right, so we're rolling?
We're rolling.
All right.
Man, you know what I didn't do?
We're not going to have introslike that.
Fuck it.
Oh, no, don't you dare.
No, no, I thought we wereturning over a new

SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
leaf.
Thanks a lot.
Last episode, we didn't telleverybody that we have a fun
little new podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (00:17):
Oh, man, somebody said something.
Who said something about GeorgeBailey missing him on the
podcast?
Somebody said he was like the...

SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
The show dog.

SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
Yeah, he was like the head.
Look at that tongue.
I know.
Now, what's up with that tongue,Mandy?
What's

SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
going on with George Bailey's tongue?
He had four teeth until about amonth ago.
And now he has one remaining.
He is in congestive heartfailure, technically.
But don't worry.
He's not even to a point wherehe needs medication.
But just so you're aware, and ifyou're a listener with dogs,
their dental health reallyimpacts their heart health.

(00:55):
So he was just born with not thegreatest teeth.
He's remained not having thegreatest teeth.
So we removed over his life.
He's had several teeth extractedbecause they were not great.
So he's down to one tooth and hecan't hold it in his

SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
mouth.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
Listen, guys,

SPEAKER_01 (01:13):
he is on his way to being 14 years old, dude.
And you know what?
He gets around well.
He's a spry guy.
He's a spoiled guy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
We're going to die together.
Look at

SPEAKER_01 (01:23):
him.
He's wearing an outfit, a fulloutfit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27):
Josh and I have matching sweatshirts

SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
with this.
We do.
We should have worn them.
I was telling Michael Angus, hecame over here to get some stuff
for Missouri Paracon.
I was telling him that I putthat hoodie on him the other
day.
He is so good about puttingclothes on.
Yeah, you normally don't dresshim.
He's so used to it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
He loves them.
He

SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
just does it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49):
If you ever wonder why he's always wearing clothes,
it's because he wants to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51):
That's crazy.
My thing is, I feel bad foranimals that get dressed.
I don't know why, but it's likethey can't choose.
Some of them don't like it.
I think he genuinely loves

SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
it.
If you go to take it off, he'llgrab it with his mouth and pull
back.
He wants to keep his clothes on.
He's civilized, okay?
So the show dog is here.
The mascot is here.
I have a little bitty icebreakerthat I saw on TikTok that I want
to ask you guys.
Josh answered it already, buthe's probably forgotten.

(02:24):
When the Blair Witch Projectcame out, did you believe...
Cause we were, we would have allbeen pretty young.
Did you believe that it wasactually found footage that they
found in the woods?

SPEAKER_01 (02:34):
100%.
I never did.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
I

SPEAKER_01 (02:37):
did.

SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
And so I was like afraid of trees.
It was like, Oh my God, shecould be in there.

SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
Yeah.
So it's funny that you, youbring that up, but yeah, I was
like, Holy shit.
And they're playing, they'replaying this and they're playing
this in a theater.
How are they allowed to do this?
They

SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
just found it.
What?

SPEAKER_01 (02:55):
Yeah.
So, uh, ultimately, uh, i'mstupid guys

SPEAKER_00 (03:00):
to be fair i was like 12 when it came out so i
was i was young but yeah i wasconvinced see i never let me see
what you never

SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
thought that but that again i tell her all the
time like as far as like scarystuff is concerned i was raised
so there were two movies and iwas probably like four i was 10
it was it was it It was thefirst one.
That was the first movie thatscared the absolute living shit
out of me.
I was like four years old when Iwatched that.

(03:29):
And my parents, which is reallyodd to me because they were
never like...

SPEAKER_00 (03:35):
You weren't allowed to listen to mainstream

SPEAKER_01 (03:38):
music.
They were pretty religious.
Not to say that they don'tbelieve in God and stuff like
that now because they do.
But they were very like...
They let that...
Dictate about.

SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
It was church Sunday morning, Sunday night,
Wednesday, Saturday.
You know how they live their

SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
life, right?
Yeah.
So.

SPEAKER_00 (03:54):
And like you could listen to country music, but not
like.

SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
Kind of interesting that.

SPEAKER_00 (03:58):
Mainstream pop.
They

SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
really loved scary movies.
It's weird,

SPEAKER_00 (04:02):
right?
What was the other one?
That's crazy.
Was it The Fly?

SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
The Fly.
And I, for whatever reason,dude, that was like one of my
favorite movies when I was likefour years old.
So you weren't allowed to listento certain music.
Oh, dude.
So we have more in common thanyou think.
Yeah.
Like my mom.
My mom said that, you know, thatmovie Hocus Pocus.
Yeah.
We weren't allowed to watchbecause there was witchcraft.

(04:26):
We couldn't watch Barney becauseit was magic and witchcraft.
You couldn't watch The Simpsons,couldn't watch any show like
that.

SPEAKER_00 (04:36):
I had like my parents were when I was born, 19
and 20.
They were young.
They were into all of the popculture.
They didn't care.
They were hip.
We could do whatever.
But then we didn't watch recentmovies, though.
With my mom, I watchedexclusively black and white
movies from the 50s.
It's because she loved them.

SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
That is true.
Even to this day, it's just kindof like here or there

SPEAKER_00 (05:00):
when it comes to new movies.
I've never seen The PrincessBride to this day still.
Yeah, I know.
I know.

SPEAKER_01 (05:05):
What?

SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
I had never seen one of the Star Wars movies until we
were married.
I

SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
watch new films religiously, right?
I

SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
have to have an interest.
For obvious

SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
reasons of filming and stuff like that, I watch
them under such a different lensthan most people these days.
I look at all the time spent inthe lighting and all these
stupid things that nobody caresabout, right?
And then I always really,really...

(05:35):
When I find out that people makethese huge motion pictures that
have won awards, I mean, case inpoint, I guess, Blair Witch,
right?
It did so well.
And it took little to no budgetto make that.
The original ParanormalActivity.
Yeah, same.
It was

SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
so good.
I

SPEAKER_01 (05:56):
really like, I don't know.
kudos respect for that i have somuch respect well especially
because you know what goes iknow what goes into all of that
too and i i was just telling robzaffy the other day because we
were going back and forth on thetrailer and stuff like that like
seeing how good it is forparanormal mysteries for people

(06:17):
wondering um i was like man ifeel like visually i it's better
than the holes or files was.
And I was like, I take greatlike pride in the fact that
we're able to put these thingstogether with like such a small
group of people.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, it's a lot of work and it'sa lot of headache cause we're,
you know, working as a smallcrew, 12, 14 hours.

(06:39):
And we are putting a lot of, uh,production into this to make
these things happen.
But then like, as I'm puttingthat trailer together and I'm
seeing some of these clips forthe first time, right.
And, um, It's just like, man,this stuff looks so good.
It does.
I know we talked about it on ourprevious one, but Paranormal

(07:00):
Mysteries is a continuation ofme, Dave, and Cindy doing cases
outside of just Hans Holzer'scases, but it's doing a wide
range of cases.
Right.
It still has the Holzer feel,but it looks better than Holzer
to me.
But it's still, like, we pickedup right where we left off.

(07:20):
It's the same dynamic with eachother, the same how we
investigate with each other.
It's the same.
I do find myself, it is really,like, we don't really ever
really give the credit that itdeserves.
That time has passed between...

(07:41):
The Holzer file's canceling.
And who would have thought that,like...
Four years, right?
Over four years since it wascanceled.
Who would have thought then thatnow we have a platform that
looks really great, right?
Beacon TV.
And are producing...

(08:03):
Have really basically broughtthat back from the dead, right?
The only...
The only people, the onlyplatform that was able to do it.
Yeah.
So like travel channel.
I'm sorry.
I'm saying it.
Travel channel had theopportunity.
Absolutely.
Discovery had had theopportunity.
Other platforms, other networkshad the opportunity.

(08:24):
And, you know, they have theirreasons for whatever for for
passing on it.
But we were able to bring itback because there was an influx
of people that were saying, hey,they wanted it back.
So it's like, that's one thingthat's cool about Beacon TV is
we actually listen to you guys.
I think that's the thing, right?
We listen.
The difference is that all theseother people didn't have to look

(08:45):
at these people at conventionsand events when they're asking.
Why?
And try to have an answer.
For the longest time, we weretold, hey, don't say that you're
canceled yet because it's stillon the...
You're still on the table.
Just say you haven't beenrenewed.
Right.
So for years we had to say,well, you know, hopefully,

(09:08):
fingers crossed, you never know,but we haven't been renewed at
this time.
And, you know, we knew therewas...
there was the nail in thecoffin, but we weren't able to
say anything.
And it was kind of, it wastough.
It puts y'all in a terriblespot.
It was tough because we, wedon't want to be dishonest with
anybody, especially the peoplethat support us.

(09:29):
And then at the same time, it'slike, well, we just lost our
jobs, but yeah, it's when peopleask us where, where, what
happened?
We can't tell them anything.
Right.
Yeah.
It's so terrible.
You got to think about this.
Here's some behind the scenesstuff with that.
So it's, And I talk about thissometimes whenever I'm at these
events.

(09:49):
It's like I made a decision.
I spoke with my family, ofcourse, but made a decision to
leave my job that I was in apretty good position at to film.
So whenever you're filming for acouple of years or whatever, it
puts a damper on your resume.

(10:10):
So whenever you're trying to goback in the workforce again...
they're looking at that gap andbeing like, okay, well, if
there's another opportunity forTV, are you going to take it?
You can say no, but they'regoing to believe that you're
going to take it.
So it's very difficult to goback to the corporate world and
do what you were doing beforeTV.

(10:32):
So whenever there's acancellation, it affects you in
a way that That is very hard tomake income.
That's why you see us at a lotof events.
It's not all about the money,but that's how people are just
trying to make ends meet.
That's how we're trying to makeends meet.
Just like everybody else, we'rejust trying to pay bills, man.
That's it.
Yeah.

(10:53):
You know, me not being on thatshow, obviously, but also having
to constantly hear that frompeople.
It's just weird to look back atit now and be like, man.

SPEAKER_00 (11:03):
You're giving Paul Rudd vibes in that one interview
where he's like, look at us.
Who would have thought?

SPEAKER_01 (11:08):
Not me.
Wasn't on my bingo card.
I'm very thankful and I'm veryproud of us, man.
For sure.
We're not tooting our horn here,but it's been a long way from
just a year ago, dude.
Just from a year ago, but even a

SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
few years ago to now.
Nobody knew Beacon existed ayear ago.
Even

SPEAKER_01 (11:31):
me as a filmmaker four years ago, five years ago,
it's like...
the transformation and how Ifilm things today compared to
then, like, it's crazy.
She gets to look at all thatstuff now.
And it's,

SPEAKER_00 (11:49):
I was thinking about how, like the evolution of
cinema in itself.
Cause like, look at the fly,which was a major motion picture
production.
And then look at y'all's

SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
footage.
Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 (11:59):
Like, but then I was also like circling back to
talking about like movies andstuff that we grew up in.
Like we all, We watched like lowbudget things like the Blair
Witch Project.
But then we also got to livethrough like Titanic.
That's true.
And this like epic movie thatcost so much money.
Not

SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
the event, guys.
We're not

SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
that old.
Speak for yourself.

SPEAKER_01 (12:23):
I'm older than both of you.
I know.
That's true.

SPEAKER_00 (12:26):
But we got like just the evolution of cinema because
if Titanic was remade now, itwould look completely different.
But at the time.
And it was revolutionary for thetime.
My mother and I saw it 14 timesin the movie theater because we
were obsessed.

SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
You know what's interesting about that too?
You can watch that movie todayand still

SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
like it.
It still looks good.
One of the twins and I watchedit last year.
It's because there

SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
is more to filming than the camera or the lens or
the lighting.
It's the story you tell.
It's the story.

SPEAKER_00 (13:00):
And yeah, I mean, like I

SPEAKER_01 (13:01):
said, it'll it'll stand the test of time.
Like, yeah, absolutely.
I want

SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
things to look even more realistic if someone made
Titanic in twenty twenty five.
But it still looked great.
Yeah.
Like, you know, when you watchthe first Harry Potter movie and
he's on the troll's head or theogre's head in the dungeon and
you can tell it looks like avideo game, like it's a cartoon
character.
But then when you watch the lastmovie.
Nothing.

(13:25):
I mean,

SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
here's the thing that we can say with complete
certainty is we'll be dead andgone and people will know who
Harry Potter is.

SPEAKER_00 (13:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:31):
I mean, people

SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
will know who James Cameron is.

SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
Yeah, of course.
So, I mean, we've always saidthat even when we started doing
searcher stuff and we werelooking at like the Paranormal
Mind documentary we have onBeacon TV now was kind of like
our first crack at doinganything.
Bobby McCullough did most ofthat with Dines Media.

(13:55):
But it was then that we werelike, you know, things have to
be different.
We have to have a good story tothings.

SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
Speaking of a story, don't you have something you
want to talk about?
Huh?

SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Oh, the Gabby.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
We were talking about that.
Yeah.
So the documentary on Netflix, Iwatched it a couple of days ago
and it kind of.
It was sad because Gabby lookedlike such a sweet young girl
that was just trying to make itin life and was trying to forge
her own path.

(14:29):
And then you had the idiotperson that she was with, all of
that stuff.
But then it got me thinking,man, there's so many
unrepresented cases.
Yeah.
There's like...
black women and children, 33%.
It's made up of 33% of the casesand they get 7% media coverage.

(14:49):
How in the holy hell is thateven remotely?
And

SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
the amount of women, indigenous women who go missing
on tribal lands that are neverlooked at.
There's not a database.

SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
No, I believe, I believe they're what 30 there.
No, they're 10 times more likelyto be unalived or murdered or
whatever.
Then, uh, any other yeah

SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
they're less talked about than anybody

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
it's sad you know one of the things one of the
projects we work on with beaconscalled small town secrets and it
really opened this doorway to uswhere we really started deep
diving into all of this kind ofstuff too because you you have a
cold case related to close toyour family i of course have one

(15:35):
where my my uncle was murderedum But then like you start
looking at the normalcy of thesecases and underrepresented like
ethnic groups and communitiesand stuff.
And like people, you know, weyou say all those statistics and

(15:57):
a lot of people just want tolike sweep that under the rug.
But no, man, these are realstatistics.

SPEAKER_00 (16:03):
Everybody who says or thinks that it's such a hard
watch needs to watch the movieCold Mountain.
Do you remember that?
It's been probably six or sevenyears since we've watched it.
It's been a long time.
I still am haunted.

SPEAKER_01 (16:19):
We just all need to open up to the fact that they're
underrepresented.
They really are.
And

SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
change that, not just acknowledge.
Of course.
Change it.
I

SPEAKER_01 (16:31):
don't think that I know enough about it all to know
where...
If there's one particularproblem with why that is, right,
with why they're not getting thecoverage they need or the, you
know, right people looking atthese cases and stuff like that.
I could imagine from likeindigenous people, if you're

(16:55):
looking at like tribal land andstuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 (16:57):
There may be some sort of...

SPEAKER_01 (17:00):
Getting access

SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
to that stuff.
Yeah, cross-contaminationbetween

SPEAKER_01 (17:03):
government agencies.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
I don't

SPEAKER_01 (17:06):
know, though.
I'm not going to pretend,though, other than...
Yeah, but still, even if there'sred tape, you can still fuck
track about it.
Excuse my language.
No, exactly.
But you can still vocalize, hey,someone is missing.
I've been doing TikToks lately,and...

(17:27):
And TikTok.
That's a completely differentapp.
It'll be out

SPEAKER_00 (17:32):
later this fall.
What did he say?
Oh, my God.
TikToks are horror content.

SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
Horror.
Yeah, that's the...
TikTok.
Okay.
All right, guys.
Look, look.
All right, children.
TikToks.
Okay.
And I did this one video aboutthis girl, Relisha Rudd.
She's eight years old.
And I think it's a travesty.
And...
Her case alone makes me believethat there's a bunch of children

(18:01):
in systemic poverty that arejust being gone missing, and
they're just swept under therug.
She was eight years old.
She was last seen in 2014, andshe was living in a shelter, and
there was this janitor thatworked there, Khalil Tatum.

(18:24):
who the mother, I think themother's a junkie, and the
mother was a crappy mother.
I'm just going to go right outand say it.
She let her daughter go withTatum to go on trips to allow
him to give her gifts to spendthe night with him.

(18:44):
He's a freaking janitor.
She called him Dr.
Tatum.
The mother did.
Oh, my God.
To the school and stuff.
And she was missing for 18 daysbefore the mother even said
anything.
Before the mother said anything.
And so this girl, you know, shewas filmed on surveillance

(19:10):
walking into a hotel with thisTatum guy.
The next day, Tatum isreportedly...
buying trash bags, a bag oflime, a shovel.
Then on the 20th, his wife isfound murdered in a Maryland

(19:32):
hotel room.
And then 11 days later, he'sfound in a DC park from a
self-inflicted gunshot wound tothe head.
And she still hasn't been found.
So it makes you wonder, did hemurder her or was she sold?
And she's out there somewhereand not knowing what the hell is

(19:53):
going on.
And how many more little kids

SPEAKER_00 (19:58):
are having

SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
the same fate.
And it's like, if we don't talkabout it, there's not going to
be any change at all.
We can highlight the white womenand white men.
Which, look, we're white.

SPEAKER_00 (20:14):
Those cases are important.
I want...
anybody who's missing to behighlighted.
It needs to be all.
It needs to be proportionate.

SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Of course.
Look,

SPEAKER_00 (20:23):
I'll say it.
White people suck, okay?

SPEAKER_01 (20:28):
But you know, there's a lot of people.
There's a lot of people.
I mean, there's peopleeverywhere that suck, right?
But yeah, I agree.
Everybody needs to be looked.
If you're missing, we

SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
need to find you.
We need to look for you.

SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
If you're missing, could you...

SPEAKER_00 (20:45):
Oh my gosh.
Joshua.

SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
All right.
That was terrible.
I shouldn't have done that.
He's not making fun of missingpersons.
No, not at all.

SPEAKER_00 (20:52):
And not only missing and murdered, but another thing
with indigenous women is theyare like way more likely to be
sexually assaulted and havetheir rapist just go free, which
is so awful because a lot oftimes they live on tribal lands
where that's a small area.
area you know if you think yeahif you compare it to you know

(21:16):
major cities they have to seetheir rapist

SPEAKER_01 (21:18):
yep i you know that i've pitched that idea like
multiple times

SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
to network tv who gave me that

SPEAKER_01 (21:24):
idea oh you of course and

SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
i remember like vividly it just came to me and i
was like i had read um angelineboulet's firekeeper's daughter
which everyone should also read

SPEAKER_01 (21:35):
yeah it's a pretty

SPEAKER_00 (21:36):
good one and i sent i was like oh my gosh you guys
have to do this but we also Wantto be sensitive because you are
two white dudes.

SPEAKER_01 (21:45):
Well, I mean, the issue

SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
is telling the story.
I

SPEAKER_01 (21:48):
can't change the fact that I'm a white.

SPEAKER_00 (21:50):
No, of

SPEAKER_01 (21:50):
course.
But what I can do is try and,you know, the best way that I
know to bring those things tothe public because of what we do
is by filming them.
Right.
I mean, and so I did pitch thoseideas, but the consensus and
whether or not this isAppropriate or an acceptable

(22:13):
answer is, I guess, irrelevantto me.
This

SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
is from networks.

SPEAKER_01 (22:18):
Yeah.
The consensus from networks wasthat like there would be a ton
of trouble with trying to getonto this land.
Yeah.
Red tape.
And then second off, a lot ofthis was in those communities.
I guess they wouldn't talkeither.

(22:39):
Yeah.
Um, for whatever reason, I don'tknow if that's like a cultural
thing.
I'm not sure, man.
I just don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (22:46):
Oh man.
There was a really good podcast.
I listened to, um,

SPEAKER_01 (22:49):
what was it?
Podcast.
Hey,

SPEAKER_00 (22:52):
no, I'll have to find it because it was like pre
COVID.
I would listen to it like on theway to work and back.
Um, but it was about like the,the disconnect between like
tribal government and thefederal government when, um,
Federal crimes are committed onlandlines.

(23:14):
Oh, gosh.
Y'all keep talking and I'll

SPEAKER_01 (23:16):
find out.
You know, somebody that's reallygood at this, and Shane, you
know this too, Payne Lindsey.
He runs multiple true crimepodcasts now.
One of his more popular ones isUp and Vanished.
He has dealt with indigenouscases.
He's dealt with...
cases that are local to us.
His most recent one on that hadto do with Nome, Alaska.

(23:39):
And looking into it, I think theFBI actually investigated the
police department in Nome,Alaska because there was so
much, I guess, so many caseswere being left unsolved or
things just weren't being donehow they should have been.

(24:03):
Um, so yeah, I think thatthere's a lot of, uh, maybe
laziness for lack of betterwords, laziness in, in terms of
like, they think because it'ssuch a, you know, if you look at
like Alaska, like people gomessing, that could be anywhere.
Right.
And I think knowing that overtime, they've just kind of hung

(24:27):
their hats on this idea thatlike, it's not worth it.
Which

SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
the human lives are always worth.
But we can do it.
Yeah, of course.
I

SPEAKER_01 (24:35):
mean, we're our own network essentially now.
So we can do it ourselves if wewant to.

SPEAKER_00 (24:42):
I found the podcast.
It's called This Land.
It was season one.
It was in 2019.
I remember that.
Yeah, it was an 1839assassination of a Cherokee
leader and then a 1999 smalltown murder.
Both crimes were involved in aSupreme Court case that was
going to decide the fate of oneman.
And nearly half of the land inOklahoma.

(25:03):
And so it was a journalist,Rebecca Nagel, who she's a
citizen of the Cherokee Nationand a Oklahoma resident who
traced how this homicide openedup investigation into treaty
rights of five tribal nationsland.
And I remember it beingfascinating.

SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
George Bailey's pissed off about that.

SPEAKER_00 (25:23):
Yes, he is.

UNKNOWN (25:26):
Hey.

SPEAKER_01 (25:27):
Again, it was radio silent until we start filming.

SPEAKER_00 (25:32):
He needs to be heard.

SPEAKER_01 (25:33):
He's heard.
Yes,

SPEAKER_00 (25:36):
we

SPEAKER_01 (25:37):
know.

SPEAKER_00 (25:37):
Now that we've talked shit about how she got
media coverage.

SPEAKER_01 (25:42):
Let's talk about.

SPEAKER_00 (25:43):
Can we talk about how I'm convinced that Brian
Laundrie is alive and that hisparents planted that suicide
note?

SPEAKER_01 (25:49):
I'm convinced.
What did they find?
What's in the documentary?
No, you have to watch thedocumentary because they found
his body.
Did they?
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
Oh, yeah.
We knew that, which they claimwas dental records.
I guess I didn't know

SPEAKER_01 (26:02):
that.
It

SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
was like super decayed.

SPEAKER_01 (26:04):
Yeah.
So here's the interesting partabout what you're saying that
kind of makes you wonder becausethey said that his body was
decayed or decomposed all theway to the bone.

SPEAKER_00 (26:17):
And he'd only been missing for like a week.
Yeah, they're

SPEAKER_01 (26:20):
attributing that to the swamps and the Everglades,
I'm sure.
But you know, you look at, and Ihope they're listening right
now, but you look at BrianLaundrie's mother.
I think the father was just a,he's a pansy dude that just
follows everything his wifedoes.
I think the wife is the one, themother is the one that's like

(26:42):
the culprit because she left aletter.
She wrote Brian a letter andwrote burn after reading.
Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
I followed the case very closely when it happened
because I had, I think I wasworking from home by that point
and it was like the major.
Yeah.
No,

SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
she was obsessed with it.

SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
I had nightmares.
I

SPEAKER_01 (27:03):
mean, most people were obsessed

SPEAKER_00 (27:05):
with it at that time.

SPEAKER_01 (27:07):
Oh yeah.
The, the mother though, it camefrom the mother because the
mother, she had the letter thatsaid burn after reading.
She wrote that and she said,look, I will love you no matter
what.
If I need to grab trash bags andhelp you bury a body, I will.
Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
Look, I.
So

SPEAKER_01 (27:25):
she is complicit.

SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
Of course.
I'm not a mother, but I havechildren that I've helped raise.

SPEAKER_01 (27:32):
Straight

SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
to jail.
Very, very closely in my ownhome.
And I have maternal instincts,obviously.
I cannot fathom knowing wheresomeone's child's body was.
And letting them languish inwondering if their child was
alive or not, because for a longtime it was they didn't know.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
Or not even knowing, even if they didn't know that
she was dead.
Right.
Even if they were like, oh, man,she's missing.
I don't know where she is.

SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
I would help even if it put my child or the children
that I've raised in jail.
I will love you in jail.

SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
Because that is monstrous.
But what they did was they hiredan attorney for$25,000 and did
not talk to authorities.
Yeah, I remember that.
Authorities went to their houseand were like, we're not
talking.
You can talk to our lawyer.

SPEAKER_00 (28:24):
There were days where they wouldn't even come
out.
He's in

SPEAKER_01 (28:27):
the house.
The stupid idiot Brian Laundriewas in the house and then they
let him go into the Everglades.
The parents let him go taketheir car

SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
And he

SPEAKER_01 (28:40):
drove, and that's where he

SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
killed himself.
And he's missing for so manydays, and the police are out
there searching for his body.
And 20 minutes after the parentsget there, they find— An hour.
An hour.
It was an hour.
After multiple days, they findthe suicide note.
They wrote the suicide note.
You will never convince me thatthey didn't

SPEAKER_01 (28:59):
write that suicide note.
Well, they could have, but— IfBrian wrote the suicide note, he
was still saying that she was inpain and she hurt herself.
And he put her out of hermisery.
But the autopsy report says...
that everything he said wasbullshit.
That she died from manualstrangulation.

(29:23):
And that she had none of theseother injuries.
People were freaking crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
And who's going to strangle someone to death if you
are, for whatever reason, mercykilling someone who you know is
about to die?
You're going to strangle them?

SPEAKER_01 (29:38):
Here's why Brian did it.
And this is just my thought.
Allegedly, this is why he didit.
Okay?
Days leading up to her death,she had been texting and
communicating with herex-boyfriend.
And they were on a road triptogether, her

SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
and Brian.
From cops, right?

SPEAKER_01 (29:58):
Yeah.
So I think, and leading up toit, it's another failure on law
enforcement, too, because theypulled the man over because
there was eyewitness reports ofhim slapping

SPEAKER_02 (30:10):
her.

SPEAKER_01 (30:11):
So they pulled the van over and then they ended
up...
They let him go.
Well, here's another thing.
They sent Brian...
I was going to say theyseparated him, right?
Yeah, he had scratches on hisface and stuff from the...
Yeah.
Which I think it was herdefending herself.
Self-defense.
Yeah, yeah.
They sent him to a fucking...
Excuse my language.
But they sent him to a hotel andsent her off in the van.

(30:34):
Like what kind of ass backwardbullshit is that?

SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
I think, I think she owned the van.

SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
She owned the van, but it doesn't matter.
Like, why would you send a girlwho's,

SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
who's living?
They both should have been sentto separate hotels, but I think
they couldn't send him in a vanthat didn't belong to him was
probably the logic, but itshould have been, we're going to
impound this and we'll give itto you tomorrow.
She's going to the Hyatt.

SPEAKER_01 (30:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
He's going, which is not telling you,

SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
which is what they could have done.
But what they should have doneanyway is since there were marks
and Even if they would havearrested her, it would have
saved her life.
They should have made a callthat said, y'all are being
arrested for domestic violence.
This is what's going down.
And that could have givenGabby's parents the opportunity

(31:23):
to pick her up, to help her, togive her an avenue.
To know

SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
what was happening.

SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
That's the thing, man.
It's like, Don't everunderestimate the fact that
these really split-moment,simple decisions would have
essentially saved these people'slives, right?
Just like the girl I was talkingabout, Relisha Rudd, the
eight-year-old, Child ProtectiveServices knew about her

(31:51):
situation for months before shewent missing.
There was reports of neglect.
of abuse of unfit conditions.
And guess what?
They didn't do shit about it.
They didn't remove her fromharm.
They just swept it under therug, let it happen.
And so, yeah, what you're sayingis right.

(32:13):
Like all these organizations,these, these agencies, sometimes
they're at fault.
They could have done things,little things that could have
made a big difference.

SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
It also chills you to the core to think about like,
Did her case not get attentionbecause that organization in her
town had 5,000 other kids in thesame?

SPEAKER_01 (32:34):
Oh, well, I'm sure.
Or was it because she was avictim of systemic poverty?
Yeah.
And it's like, oh, well, she'shomeless, so...
This is the norm for them.
Because essentially that's whatit was.
She didn't have a home.
She lived in a shelter.

(32:56):
I think that's where the vastmajority of these things get
swept up under the rug isbecause whatever condition that
they're going through isessentially normalized.
I would say that Gabby Petito isprobably the exception of that,
right?
Where I would think if you wereto whoever pulled them over.

(33:17):
If you were to replace thosepeople with other people, it's
likely they would have not letthat situation happen.

SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Wasn't there something where her phone was
still communicating with herfamily, but the language

SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
changed?

SPEAKER_00 (33:30):
Not language like Spanish to English, but everyone
has their own dialect in the waythey

SPEAKER_01 (33:36):
text?
No, here's what it was.
There was a text that was sentto Gabby's mother that said, can
you help Stan Uh, he needs help.
And it came from Gabby's phone.
Well, Stan was Gabby's grandpaand she called him grandpa.
Yeah.
So, you know, right away thatthat's Brian texting.
Right.
Right.
Right.
And then this, this low lifepiece of crap, Brian, after he

(34:02):
kills her, sends, uh, from herphone, a Venmo payment of$700
saying, um, I hope you're happy,Brian.
I'll never see you again.
After she's already deceased.
That's gross.
That's

SPEAKER_00 (34:19):
why I had nightmares.

SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
The authorities already from the timeline knew
that she was long gone by thatpoint.
He sends himself$700 from herbank account.
After she's deceased, he payshimself$700 for the killing.
Are you freaking

SPEAKER_00 (34:38):
kidding me?
And takes her van.

SPEAKER_01 (34:40):
And takes

SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
her van.
Drives her van to

SPEAKER_01 (34:42):
Florida.
Yeah, here's another thing,right?
So the parents, he get there.
The parents there, they'reinterrogating him, right?
They say that he said that heflew home, but the van was in
the driveway.
So there was theseinconsistencies where the
authorities could have said, no,we're taking you in.

(35:03):
Now we got probable cause.
Your story isn't adding up.
Instead, they just let him goand leave.
Let him escape.
And in turn, he takes his ownlife like the coward he is.
I

SPEAKER_00 (35:14):
remember.
It's

SPEAKER_01 (35:14):
so wild, right?
Because then you have like allthese other cases of where like
people's doors get kicked in

SPEAKER_00 (35:22):
over

SPEAKER_01 (35:23):
the wrong address.

SPEAKER_00 (35:26):
Bring him out of there.
Some stupid thing.
Breonna Taylor died and theywere at the wrong address.

SPEAKER_01 (35:30):
Yeah.
It's just like, eh.
It's whatever.
Well, you know,

SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
I remember the time where he wasn't, they didn't
know if he was at the house ornot.
And they were like, everybody beon the, on the lookout for him.
And I, every time I went intoKroger, I was like, I'm gonna
find you.

SPEAKER_01 (35:45):
Well, here's

SPEAKER_00 (35:45):
another.
My head was on a swivel.

SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
The authority saw the car that he was in drive off
and they mistake.
They said that they mistook himfor his mother.
So they thought it was themother, the wife, or the mother
leaving, and it was him.
So that's why they didn't pullthe car over or whatever,
because that was their excusefor how it slipped through the

(36:16):
cracks, I guess.
And then, of course, you let himgo, and then he takes his life
because he doesn't

SPEAKER_00 (36:23):
want to deal with the consequences.
I don't believe he did.
I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_01 (36:26):
You don't

SPEAKER_00 (36:26):
think he did?
No, I think he's in Mexicosomewhere.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
I think he's a...
Well, huh.
Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (36:31):
They claim they have dental records, but they also
claimed she was safe.
Like, I know it's a differentorganization, but it's still a
same system.

SPEAKER_01 (36:39):
Yeah.
You know what's sad about Gabby,though?
You know how they found her?
They found her in a fetalposition, laying in an
unnatural, like, way.
Like, you wouldn't just...
Yeah.
And then there was, like, a...
Where somebody tried to start afire.
He staged the entire thingtrying to make it look like she
was out.

SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
Injured or something.
In the

SPEAKER_01 (36:59):
elements or whatever.
And she was in a fetal positionfor weeks.
Or like a couple weeks orsomething like that.
It was a long time where she wasout there alone.
Like after he

SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
killed her.
And put yourself in her parents'position.
How do you ever sleep again?
Like how do you go on?
How do you continue knowing thatyour child was brutally
strangled to death?
Staged.
Used for money.
And left there.

SPEAKER_01 (37:26):
And the little fuck that did it.
Excuse my language again.
No, that's what he is.
It pisses me off.
That's what he is.
The person that did it.
We do what we want.
The person that did it wasprotected.
Was protected.
As much as possible.

SPEAKER_00 (37:41):
Even by law enforcement.
In a roundabout way.
I know that it's not everybody.
I get it.
That happens a lot with whitemen versus a claim about a
woman.
in assault, in murder, inwhatever.
He's

SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
protected.
And the idiot, when they pulledhim over, too, was all
nonchalant, like, you know,she's crazy.
And then they're laughing backand forth.
They're laughing with him.

SPEAKER_00 (38:02):
Because it's easy to believe that a woman is being
crazy and not that a man isbeing

SPEAKER_01 (38:06):
violent.
And you could look at her.
She was in distress.
She was crying.
She's hysterical.
Poor thing was so scared.

SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
It's not she's scared.
It's not he's abusive.
She's being hysterical.
Look, I'm normal.
I'm joking with you.
She's being crazy.
She's being crazy.
She got emotional and thingsescalated a little bit, but
she's just hysterical and she'llcalm down eventually when she
wasn't being hysterical.
She needed help.
How many

SPEAKER_01 (38:33):
of these cases are being swept under the rug all
the time?

SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
And of course there are men out there who would
never, who would stop him, whowould call the police, who would
fight him if they saw the slaphappen.
Well,

SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
the person that saw the slap happen, it was a dude
and he called and reported it sokudos to him that's my thing I
guess I have like issuesunderstanding how that happens
because ultimately

SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
like if you saw someone get slapped it

SPEAKER_01 (38:59):
wouldn't be me right like I could not even even if
you if I saw a girl that wasclearly upset like sure maybe
maybe she's just emotionalthat's

SPEAKER_00 (39:12):
not really she's allowed to

SPEAKER_01 (39:14):
be right like that's not for me to like decide but
Certainly, we should probablyremove her from the situation to

SPEAKER_00 (39:23):
get a

SPEAKER_01 (39:24):
better understanding of what's going on.
Especially when there's youngpeople involved.
And I say this, and I'm old now,I guess.
But you can't really...
When there's young peopleinvolved, you can't slap them on
the wrist and be like...
hey, go stay in separate placesin town.

(39:46):
That's weird.
That was another thing wherethey should have made an arrest
because they saw

SPEAKER_00 (39:51):
the marks.
Even if it was her.

SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
And then there was an officer that even looked at
Gabby and was like, oh, there'sa new bruise on your face and a
little mark on your arm.
That's enough right there to belike, okay,

SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
both of you.
And didn't she try to cover forhim?
Yeah.
She was like, I'm sorry.
I

SPEAKER_01 (40:07):
was the one that was doing it.
She knew what was coming.
She knew what was coming.
But the problem is, is what,even if they're like, well, they
both have marks, arrest both ofthem.

SPEAKER_02 (40:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:17):
It's better than the alternative.
No, for sure.
It's better than thealternative, but it's could
have, you could have held them.
You could have held them, youknow, held them overnight at
least.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And then he doesn't, he doesn'tanswer for anything.
He's he.
Nope.
That's the worst part, right?
And then if for some reason thatwasn't his body and they're just

(40:39):
saying it is, then he's off alot.
He gets to live his life whilehe took another life.
And then the mother and thefather both should be in jail.
Yeah, I don't really understandhow they're not in jail.
How in the holy shit do you...
hire somebody for$25,000 and youdon't know anything.

(41:02):
Why would you fork over thatamount of money?
And then you're not talking.
You clearly hid him in yourhouse.
You're not saying anything.
You're an accomplice.

SPEAKER_00 (41:12):
I would dog walk any of the children in my life if I
knew they took someone else'slife, especially their partner.
in such a heinous way.
I would dog walk them out to thepolice.
I will get you a lawyer.
I will get you the lawyer youneed.
I will love you from jail.
I will come visit you.
I'm not going to support you.

SPEAKER_01 (41:32):
My own kids would be like, you are paying
consequences for something youdid and I'm not going to let you
out of my sight.
You're going to jail.
I will

SPEAKER_00 (41:42):
visit you all the time.
I will hug you as I fold youinto the police

SPEAKER_01 (41:47):
car.
You...
innocent until proven guilty,but you have to go.

SPEAKER_00 (41:51):
Yeah.
And if you're innocent and if,or if something did happen and
you know, she really was dyingand autopsy will show it and you
will be jailed temporarily.
But what you're saying is nottrue.
Yeah.
And what do you think the endresult of that is going to be
that you just hide out in yourhouse forever and get your
Costco delivery?

(42:12):
That's what happened.
What did they think the long runwas?
What did they think?
I

SPEAKER_01 (42:16):
think I remember.
Didn't they think for a whilethat he had buried her like in
the yard there?
Was that the thing?

SPEAKER_00 (42:23):
Yeah, there was something about there was like
tunnels under the house or abunker under the house or
something.
The dad was back there gardeningor

SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
something.
What's super sad about it alltoo is like the van was there,
which was hers, so they wereable to tow it.
Yeah.
But they couldn't go and, well,it's in her name, yeah, but he
was the last person to see her,so you can't Haul him out

SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
of that damn house?
Yeah, we can't get a warrant togo in there and grab him?

SPEAKER_01 (42:55):
Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (42:57):
Even if it was for, we're taking you in for
questioning.
You're not under arrest.

SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
No, I would have said, okay, look, this would go
away right now if you get incontact with her and we can hear
her voice.
If we can hear her voice, thenwe'll leave your ass alone.
But otherwise...
If they have reasonable calls, Ithink at...
You can hold them for, what, 24hours or something?
Yeah.
Yeah, you can question.
And then I'll be like, oh, okay,you hired a lawyer.

(43:21):
So we're going to take you infor questioning.
Call your lawyer.

SPEAKER_00 (43:24):
Yeah.
Have your lawyer meet us downthere.

SPEAKER_01 (43:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:27):
Because, yeah, if you get arrested for something,
even if you're innocent, youshould have a lawyer because you
are entitled to representation.

SPEAKER_01 (43:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you're entitled not to speakat all.
But if you're hiding in yourhouse, you're obstructing an
investigation.
And if mommy...
paid for the lawyer and youdidn't then you little

SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
apparently his sister is really vocal on social
media too about how the case wasmisrepresented and pretending
that yeah well of course because

SPEAKER_01 (43:55):
they're being that she not so she like no screw
this like

SPEAKER_00 (43:59):
no she's like um everything was made to look a
certain way when it wasn't thisperson wasn't an angel blah blah
she was a

SPEAKER_01 (44:07):
bad person

SPEAKER_00 (44:08):
yeah and it's like Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (44:10):
Okay.
So that means take

SPEAKER_00 (44:11):
her relationship.
They had a, they had a fight,you know, their relationship
wasn't great.
So you're going to kill her.

SPEAKER_01 (44:17):
Well, and here's the other thing that cripples their
entire argument anyway, becausehis suicide note said that, oh,
she was suffering and it was amercy killing.
Yeah.
So that is true.
So why say that she wasn't anangel if, all of it was merciful
to begin with.
That is true.
You're just being an idiot andyou're talking too much and
you're trying to protect yourfamily's image now because

(44:39):
Netflix is a big audience andy'all are screwed.
Your reputation is tarnished andyou're screwed.

SPEAKER_00 (44:48):
You thought you got away with it, but you didn't.
I really hope the Petito familywas on board with this
because...
Otherwise, like how awful thatnow there's a Netflix
documentary about theirdaughter.
They're on board.
They were

SPEAKER_01 (44:59):
interviewed.

SPEAKER_00 (44:59):
Good.
I was going to say, I know thereare some families who, one of
the Dahmer witnesses was likerecreated in the, in the crime
scene or something.
And she was like, I didn't giveconsent.

SPEAKER_01 (45:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
They were, they wereinterviewed, but what was I
saying?
What was I going to say about,Oh, here's another weird thing
about the case.
So whenever he comes home and hedrives home with the van, they
go to a freaking campsite andcamp like six days after he
returns while Gabby's stillmissing now.

SPEAKER_00 (45:35):
I feel like I remember that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:37):
It's like...
Are you freaking kidding me?
And then the sister was like,well, we only stayed there for a
few hours.
Why?
Did y'all bury her somewhere?
Was she in the van?
Like normalizing, just hangingout.
But six days after, are youkidding?
Your boy murdered somebody.

SPEAKER_00 (45:52):
What did they think 2025 would look like?

SPEAKER_01 (45:56):
Oh, that they're a baby boy.
Is

SPEAKER_00 (45:58):
he still going to be hiding in the house?
Is that what you thought?
And did they know that he wasgoing to go kill himself when
they let him leave and go to theEverglades?
I think that's the problem,right?
Did they know they were givinghim a heads up to get to Puerto
Vallarta?

SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
Well, something's clearly fractured in their
mindset, right?
To, I guess, kind of normalizethis idea that Brian murdered
somebody.
But we're just going to approachit in this way of like, well,
we're just going to hide him inthe house.
Well, I'm going to tell youthis, too.

(46:32):
This generation now is full ofmama's boys.
Oh, for sure.
Spoiled, entitled pieces of shitmama's boys that are babied to
the point of, okay, there's noaccountability.
Mommy and daddy will take careof everything for you.
It's a different generation now.

(46:55):
I think that plays a part.
The mothers are a lot of theproblem, too.

SPEAKER_00 (47:02):
Toxic boy-mom culture.

SPEAKER_01 (47:04):
The mother's like, I will do anything for my baby.
If they're 20-something yearsold, you let them fly the coop.
They are not a child.
You're supposed to raise themonce they become where they can
be self-sufficient.
They should...
be forging their own path.
If you're still activelyinvolved in doing everything for

(47:24):
them, you're not helping.
Love and support them

SPEAKER_00 (47:27):
as adults, you know, see them maintain your
relationship.
But yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (47:31):
you don't do everything for them.
You don't cover up theirmistakes.
You don't, you let them learn.
Yeah.
For sure.
Good, bad, or indifferent.
You let them learn.
But he's a piece of shit.
I would just straight up sayBrian.
Of course, right?
Brian, the mother is a piece ofshit.
The father for following alongwith it is a piece of shit.
The sister, all of them, thatwhole Laundrie family are wrong.

(47:58):
Terrible

SPEAKER_00 (47:58):
people.

SPEAKER_01 (47:59):
They're wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (48:00):
I just will never...
Get over knowing where she was,knowing she was dead and not
letting her family know.
Like her mother was out there.
Who does that?
Wondering where her child was.
And I cannot fathom how you everrest again, knowing that you
allowed that mother.

SPEAKER_02 (48:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:17):
To not get the closure of she's dead and to
maintain the hope that she'salive.
Knowing.
Well,

SPEAKER_01 (48:23):
you don't live with yourself unless there's
something.
severely mentally wrong.
I think that they have somesevere mental issues.

SPEAKER_00 (48:31):
And we're not meant to understand sociopaths.

SPEAKER_01 (48:34):
No, no, you can't.
And if you can understand them,then you're in the same.
It's just, it's just sad.
If you haven't checked out the,the Gabby Petito documentary on
Netflix and we're promotinganother network, but go check it
out.
I mean, it, it tells you somethings that if you didn't follow

(48:55):
the case, very, Go check it out

SPEAKER_00 (48:57):
and then subscribe to Beacon

SPEAKER_01 (48:59):
TV.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (48:59):
go check it out.
I followed it religiously, but Iwant to watch it tonight.
I want to watch that.

SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
It's three episodes.
It's not too bad.
It doesn't take long to watch.
Another thing I want to watchthat I have not yet, you may
have, and I don't want to spenda ton of time talking on it,
but...
you know, Richard wrote thatbook, the, what is it?
Oh, the Fox hollow.
I think murder murders.
I think that's what it's called.

(49:24):
I have not, but he's beengetting a lot of success.
That's what I heard because ofthe documentary on Hulu.
Yeah.
I want to watch that.
And I'm proud of him.
He's such a good guy.

SPEAKER_00 (49:33):
Let's have a documentary night.

SPEAKER_01 (49:34):
After we record.
We need to make moredocumentaries.

SPEAKER_00 (49:39):
I know.
I

SPEAKER_01 (49:40):
want to do so many true crime things.

SPEAKER_00 (49:42):
I'm ready for Small Town Secrets because I'm ready
to figure out what happened toyour uncle.

SPEAKER_01 (49:46):
Somebody messaged me the other day about Small Town
Secrets and I'm like, I want todo it so bad.
Listen, we can do it.
We just have to

SPEAKER_00 (49:54):
schedule.

SPEAKER_01 (49:55):
Organize the the schedule.
Because look, we're local enoughto where we can get it done.
I know, that's the thing.
We can do it documentary style.
We can do it one case at a timeand it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 (50:07):
Look, another one that we're promoting other
streaming platforms.
Is it Missing411?
That

SPEAKER_01 (50:15):
we were so addicted to.
I tried to get those for Beaconand they just haven't come down
the pipeline quite yet.

SPEAKER_00 (50:22):
That would be so cool to have on Beacon.
That's a stay tuned manifest.
They came out with a new

SPEAKER_01 (50:25):
one.

SPEAKER_00 (50:26):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (50:26):
Yeah, they

SPEAKER_00 (50:27):
did.
That I haven't watched.
I'm so scared.

SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
It's the Hunter version, right?
No.
So there's another one, but thatone's a really good one too.
So there's a third one.
It's Missing 411.
This one deals with supernaturalstuff.

SPEAKER_00 (50:40):
Stop.
No, I'm so scared.

SPEAKER_01 (50:42):
Dude, will you watch it though?
Yes.
You would?

SPEAKER_00 (50:45):
I watched the other two.
Dude, those documentaries are

SPEAKER_01 (50:47):
so well done though.
They're really good.
And if we can get it on beacon,let's do it.
Cause I think that would.
Yeah.
So everybody

SPEAKER_00 (50:54):
go subscribe.
So we go, our acquisitions teamcan have,

SPEAKER_01 (50:59):
or, you know, if we get enough subscribers, we'll
just pay that guy to go doanother missing 411 for us.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (51:05):
yeah yeah that is such they're so well done
they're so scary in like ahumanity way of like

SPEAKER_02 (51:13):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (51:13):
there are people who are just like out hiking with
their kid and they turn aroundfor five seconds and the kid was
gone like and their body is likethree miles away or their shoes

SPEAKER_01 (51:23):
or or their clothes their clothes are folded so
perfectly there's this one wherethis is this this girl and this
was in the first one i thinkwhere the girl walks behind a
tree and she's they They spother walking and they expect her
to come through the other sideof the tree.
She never does.
They go over there and she's notthere.

(51:44):
And then there's another casewhere this dude, his clothes are
folded.
Yeah, perfectly.
It's like he stepped out of hisboots or out of his shoes and
then just vanished.
Yeah.
Remember the dude that just likehe was going hunting with like
his whole family.
He

SPEAKER_00 (52:02):
was like sitting in a camp chair.
They were like in eyesight ofeach

SPEAKER_01 (52:06):
other and he just went missing and never found
him.

SPEAKER_00 (52:08):
And then there was like a three or four year old.

SPEAKER_01 (52:10):
There was like six people out there hunting that
day with them.

SPEAKER_00 (52:12):
There was like a three or four year old who was
found like on a mountain.
They were just walking a trailwith other people and went
missing.
Miles away and years later andit's like there's no way they
could have physically gottenhere.

SPEAKER_01 (52:23):
You know, there's a case 30 miles away or 20 miles
away from my house, HarrisCounty, Georgia.
where this dude um that theseworkers these the road workers
saw him walking um down near afence or whatever and they

(52:43):
looked over they're like okay idon't know why he's walking over
there they look over and theyturn around for a second look
back he's gone they're like whatthe hell and they go and they
try to find him nothing the nextday in the same area they All of
his clothes are there.

SPEAKER_00 (53:00):
Oh, no.

SPEAKER_01 (53:00):
Right?
Okay.
He's a missing person, and theystill have no idea what
happened.
He was reported missing.
They saw him.
They saw him vanish out of thinair.
Dude, that's weird.
The next day, they see hisclothes over the fence, like
shirts over the fence.
There's his shoe there, but itwasn't there at the time.
And he's still missing.

(53:20):
They have no clue where he is.
And this, this happened like inmy backyard, like 20 miles

SPEAKER_00 (53:25):
away.
Unrelated.
Unrelated.
I was waiting.

SPEAKER_01 (53:29):
You're about to lose it.

SPEAKER_00 (53:30):
Literally by the, like the street he not grew up
on, but like lived on when wemet, whatever.
There was a Bigfoot sighting.

SPEAKER_01 (53:37):
No, I'm not talking about the murder.

SPEAKER_00 (53:39):
Oh, wait, I'll get to that.

SPEAKER_01 (53:40):
I want to talk

SPEAKER_00 (53:41):
about this.
I

SPEAKER_01 (53:41):
was thinking.
Hold on.
I have no clue what the helly'all are talking about.
Y'all are slapping each other inthe

SPEAKER_00 (53:46):
arm.
On the way to your house.
Like if we were to leave hereand drive to your house right
now, we would pass the streetthat he grew up on.
Not grew up on from like 10, 11.
I mean, I grew up.

SPEAKER_02 (53:55):
Yeah.
I

SPEAKER_00 (53:56):
mean, there was a Bigfoot sighting and the dude
like saw him and reported it toall the Bigfoot channels.
Did he pull over?
Never happened.
Did he pull over?
No.

SPEAKER_01 (54:06):
No, he was just like.

SPEAKER_00 (54:07):
No, he didn't.
He was like, oh, I saw him here.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (54:11):
You'll drive by there today.
It was an old dude in a truck.
Yeah, but here's the thing.
Like, if there's a Bigfoot andyou see him, like, I don't know
if I'd pull over either.
I'm pulling on the other side.
Yeah, because I don't want to,like, get.

SPEAKER_00 (54:22):
Do you know that it is 2025 and we have phones?

SPEAKER_01 (54:26):
So he did go back and he was like.

SPEAKER_00 (54:29):
The next

SPEAKER_01 (54:29):
day?
There are footprints here, soyou may find them.
That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 (54:34):
Okay, so what Josh was thinking of.

SPEAKER_01 (54:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:36):
There has been, and this is not a funny situation.
Okay.
It's, it's terribly sad, but wehave like a manual carwash.
I mean, you could walk, youcould walk.
It's, it's up.
Like there's a grocery store uphere and then there's like a
little carwash behind it.
Um, and it's the kind that youwash your own car.
You don't like drive through it.
And there was a woman who wasliving there.

(54:57):
like behind the car wash or inthe dumpster, like next to the
dumpster or whatever.
I had no idea personally.
It's so sad.
I'm in like our local Facebookgroups, like whatever.
So I would see things about herevery now and then about how
someone like would go clean upthe car wash and like bring her
food.
And when we had that snow day,they were bringing her blankets
and stuff to try and keep herwarm because it like snowed a

(55:19):
lot here for what we get.
Come to find out like, A weekago, she gets arrested for
murder.
A murder from 2017.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (55:29):
dude.

SPEAKER_00 (55:29):
She's just been sleeping like a mile away from
us outside.

SPEAKER_01 (55:33):
That's creepy

SPEAKER_00 (55:35):
as shit.
Her sister, who was alreadyincarcerated, her and some dude
knocked on somebody's door andshot him.

SPEAKER_01 (55:42):
Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (55:44):
In the chest.
They think it was an attemptedrobbery, and I don't know what
they have on her to tie her toit, but she was arrested.

SPEAKER_01 (55:52):
They have enough to make an arrest.
I mean, if her sister was there,that's probably

SPEAKER_00 (55:58):
what they have.
The victim was the father ofsomebody who works at our local
news station.
So he's really on

SPEAKER_01 (56:07):
getting

SPEAKER_00 (56:09):
justice.
But yeah, we had a murdererjust...
you know, casually.

SPEAKER_01 (56:13):
Y'all are smiling.
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (56:14):
we had a murderer in our backyard.
We would see her like walkingaround.
I mean, so we have a couplehomeless people who live,

SPEAKER_01 (56:22):
not

SPEAKER_00 (56:23):
right here, but near enough that you see them
regularly and you, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (56:27):
We just

SPEAKER_00 (56:28):
want some interesting local news around
here.
You know, you feel bad, but thenlike sometimes they are like,
Screaming and cussing at a caror like running out in front of
cars.

SPEAKER_01 (56:37):
Oh, yeah.
Which should not be laughingabout that.
No, it's really sad.
There was a homeless person inmy hometown, this lady, and she
pushed a shopping cart aroundall the time and she had a bunch
of stuff on it.
And I remember I was with my momone time and my mom was like
super religious.
She's like, I feel like Godwants me to give her some money.

(57:00):
Right.
So we pull over.
And she hands, uh, she tries tohand the lady some money.
And the lady was like, I don't,I don't want your fucking money.
Blah, blah, blah.
And was saying things like that.
I don't want it.
What do you think I am?
I don't want it.

SPEAKER_02 (57:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:16):
So my mom was really hurt.
Well, um, months later we, uh,she passes away, but they found
out she was a multimillionaire.
Oh my God.
That had mental issues.
Oh.
And, um, Chose to live that way,but she had generational wealth.
She was a multimillionaire,dude.
Chose to be homeless.

(57:38):
Chose to not buy things, stuffshe found on the side of the
road she'd put in a cart, butshe

SPEAKER_00 (57:47):
didn't.
I'm the kind of person where ifsomeone tells me that they're
hungry- I don't care if you'relying to me.
Like that's your karma.
So like we've bought people foodbefore, you know, we've, you
know, let's go in thisrestaurant.
I'm not usually one to give youcash, but I'll take you inside
to the taco shop.
I'll go get you a pizza.

SPEAKER_02 (58:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:07):
If I'm going in the grocery store, I'll bring you
some things out.
We, I completely lost my trainof thought there.
Oh no, I didn't.
We were, we were driving bysomebody in Warner Robins one
day and he had a sign that saidhungry.
And I had, we'd been to Atlantabread company, which is closed
now.
And I had half a sandwich that Ihadn't touched.

(58:27):
And I'm not like a wastefulperson.
I'm not going to waste food.
So I was just bringing it home.
So I rolled down my window and Iwas like here, like I didn't
touch it.
I just didn't eat this half.
And he was like, no, I'vealready got food.
I'm working on my rent now.

UNKNOWN (58:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:41):
But your sign says you're hungry.
That's completely differentthings.
And there are people whoactually are truly homeless and
need help.
But now you're giving peoplethat negative stigma.
It

SPEAKER_01 (58:55):
isn't even that.
It's just fact at this point,right?
That there's this idea of curinghomelessness.
But you have to remember thatthere's just fractionally going
to be piece of these people thatdon't

SPEAKER_00 (59:08):
don't want to have a different way and it

SPEAKER_01 (59:11):
doesn't mean i'm not gonna buy this person dinner or
donate however i can because ialways will do that but i think
the idea that you can just snapyour fingers and you know with
the right amount of money makethis go away no yeah and whether
we like it or not we have toalso address that there's a
major mental health crisis goingon and that plays a part too

(59:35):
when it comes to these cases.

SPEAKER_00 (59:37):
I hate the mentality that we'll just take an unhoused
person and put them in a drunktank or give them a ticket for
being homeless.
That doesn't do anything.
That doesn't help anything,especially if they need mental
health

SPEAKER_01 (59:49):
assets and resources.
A lot of them do.
And it stems from their livingconditions or the systemic, like
I said, just how they From anearly age were raised.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:03):
Yeah, it gives them one hot meal.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:04):
Well, I also think the longer they live and survive
in that kind of like world andthat becomes normal to them.
It's called, what is thatsyndrome called?
Stockholm syndrome, right?
And that where like.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:19):
That's where you fall in love with your, that's
Beauty and the Beast's Stockholmsyndrome where you fall in love
with your kidnapper.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:23):
Oh, well, what's the syndrome where?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:26):
Munchausen.
Munchausen is where like yourparent poisons you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:30):
Maybe there isn't a syndrome

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:32):
for this thing.
Or like the kid is always sick.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:33):
Or maybe there is and we just don't know what it
is.
But when you normalize likepainful conditions and that just
becomes your life.
So like you don't want to liveoutside of...
outside of that.
You see that in the prisonsystem too.
People that are in and out ofprisons, a lot of them will tell

(01:00:55):
you, I'm more comfortable herethan I am in the real world.
You let me out, I'll come rightback.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:02):
Come right back in because I'm guaranteed housing.
I'm guaranteed meals.
I'm guaranteed some level ofsafety.
And people who come out ofprison with a felony record, you
can't get an apartment.
You have to list a felony on anapartment.
You have to list felony on jobapplications.
How do they get jobs and housingif

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:20):
it's

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:20):
so limited and if they've done their time?
I

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:23):
know you do.
Change, right?
Scared of change.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:32):
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:33):
Like you're willing to suffer through what you know
better than

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:39):
what you don't.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:40):
Yeah.
And it's hard to

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:42):
reemerge in society with a criminal record because
who's going to hire you?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:47):
Oh, yeah.
And so,

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:49):
you know, I mean, by default,

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:51):
they could probably get a job.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:53):
Maybe

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:54):
I would like to think that they can.
But to any degree, you'reprobably being taught right out
the gate that this is not goingto be a easy scenario for you.
Yeah.
And your decision.
So then by default, you're like,man, do I even want to do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:08):
And then you have little kids who are like tricked
into doing.
Joining a gang or going withtheir big brother and then
they're in a life of crime.
To

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:16):
kind of segue off of this, my job is primarily
process improvement, right?
So it's to take technology andbasically make a worker's life
easier by using this technologyto do this job.
So they would operate thistechnology, whether it be a
robot or a drone or whatever.

(01:02:36):
But one thing that I'm facedwith is I call it employee
buy-in right where they a lot ofthese people have been doing
this job the same way like for20 years or whatever so whenever
i put a robot in front of themand say well i know you got i
don't know 10 years before youhave to retire and you were

(01:02:58):
doing this for 20 years this way

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:59):
now you have to change everything you know

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:02):
yeah so they are immediately

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:04):
leery

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:05):
leery of it and want to fight it based on the fact of
like they don't understand whythey would need to change.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:11):
And there's probably also fear of this is going to
take my job before I'm ready.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:16):
Well, they think so, right?
And they're lost on the idea oflike they genuinely don't feel
like

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:23):
a robot can do what a human can.
Well, no, they

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:24):
just don't want to go through the trouble of
learning this new thing, right?
And I'm trying.
That doesn't make them dumb.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:31):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:32):
Just so we're clear.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:33):
Makes them human.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:34):
Makes them human.
You go years and years.
I mean, I get tired of dealingwith things, right?
Um, I understand that.
Right.
So I have to, when I'm lookingat like modernizing these
processes, one of the thingsthat I really, really care about
is making sure that I'll getemployee buy-in by, you know, to

(01:03:54):
me we can have the latest andgreatest in technology, but if
it's too hard for somebody touse, or if I'm asking, if I'm
going to have to ask the workerto now learn all these new
things, I don't think it's worthit.
Right.
Um, Because now if I can putsomething in front of them where
I'm saying, listen, being alearn anything, just hit this

(01:04:15):
button.
That's where you start gettingthe buy in because they're like,
oh, this has really made my lifeeasier.
Yeah.
Like you're not asking.
You simplify.
You simplify it.
Yeah.
If you're not simplifying it,then they don't want to do it.
Right.
Why would they?
So it's kind of I say all ofthat because it's that kind of a

(01:04:35):
similar mentality, I think, whenpeople, especially if they've
been in prison for.
Decades.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:40):
They need to figure out how to– we need a better way
to re-estimulate them back into–Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:44):
the question they're faced with is why they even need
to go back.
What's there for them?
What's there for somebodyoutside of prison at that time?
It's sad.
It is sad.
It's really

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:55):
sad.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:56):
Some of them do have it, right?
Some of them have families andstuff that they know that have
been coming to visit them andthey have visited them.
The whole time they've been injail, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:08):
Or prison.
That's the queen of the housescratching.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:09):
Some of them don't have that.
Some of them don't get visitors.
So what is putting them backout?
Yeah, there's no motivation towant to leave.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:20):
It's not a demon scratching in our house.
It is a demon.
No, it is.
It's a demon.
It's our basset houndscratching.
It's a demon.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:28):
All right.
Well, I think that wraps up thisepisode of The Searcher's
Podcast.
Thank you all so much forlistening.
For listening and for those thathave been listening for a long
time that remember us fromParanormal Mind Podcast to
following us on this, thank youfor following along.
For anybody new that'slistening, we're going to try to

(01:05:48):
continue doing this as much aspossible because we like having
discussions and talking and allof that.
So thank you all for listening,and until the next one, we'll
talk to you later.
See you.