May 30, 2025 • 22 mins
Did you see a flying Christ on Ascension Day? Blair is going through the news sandwich, and Martin is talking about value 4 value, trader principle, gift giving, etc.
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Show notes with links to articles, blog posts, products and services:
- Amy Peikoff's News Sandwich
- Memorial Day
- To Stop War, Halt Statism Everywhere - New Ideal
- What Are the Roots of War?
- The Roots of War by Ayn Rand, from Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal
- Human Progress dot org
- Weekly Progress Roundup - Doomslayer newsletter
- Symbol of atheism: atomic whirl
- 1980 Swedish nuclear power referendum
- Three Mile Island accident (Harrisburg, 1979)
- Site of America’s worst nuclear accident gets new chance to become energy hub - PBS News
- Nuclear Power in Sweden - World Nuclear Association
- The Green Party in Germany
- Veterans recoil at Trump plan to end Afghans’ deportation protection - The Washington Post
- One Big Beautiful Bill Act - Wikipedia
- Nicholas Provenzo on Twitter (X)
- Nicholas Provenzo on Substack
- The DOGE Delusion: Trump’s Power Play versus Principled Reform by Nicholas Provenzo - The Objective...
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Blair (00:00):
Foreign. Here we are, Martin and I here to in the secular foxhole celebrating another
episode.
I believe it's number 98.
Hi Martin.
Martin (00:17):
Hi Blair.
Blair (00:18):
It's good, good to hear from you.
Same today here in the United States.
It's Memorial Day.
Martin (00:25):
Yep.
Blair (00:26):
And it's where we honor our, our fallen soldiers.
And I was.
Martin (00:33):
Is that clear? Missing in action also.
Blair (00:37):
No, missing in action means that they don't know what happened to the soldier.
He could be in a prison of war camp or he,
they couldn't find his body.
Martin (00:48):
Yeah.
Blair (00:48):
A prisoner of war.
But missing in action means they couldn't findhis body or he's still in prison camp or they
just don't know his whereabouts.
I was thinking earlier today that Ayn Rand thedominant ethics around the world is Judeo
Christian and the word sacrifice is justoozing out of everyone's TV commentators
(01:14):
mouths.
But I like what Ayman Rand said that it's nota sacrifice to defend something you value.
You know, that's.
I think that that sentiment needs to be more
widely.
Martin (01:29):
If you advertised, if you will.
Yeah.
If you defend values.
Yeah, yeah.
Defend values and liberty and freedom.
Blair (01:36):
That's right.
It's not a sacrifice.
Martin (01:38):
Yeah.
Blair (01:38):
But it's a tragedy if you lose your life.
But it's.
If you understand the meaning and value of
freedom and liberty, it's not a sacrifice.
So. But that was something I thought of
earlier and we are, you know, but this, it's asolemn day for many, many people across the
(02:01):
country and around the world.
But otherwise, you know,
my wife and I had went out today and did someerrands and did some things and had some at
lunch.
But what else did we do?
I have a couple of interesting stories andsome thoughts about.
(02:23):
Again, this is episode 98. So we have one morebefore episode 100.
Martin (02:30):
Yep.
Blair (02:30):
And I'm trying to reach out to an objectivist intellectual.
Martin (02:36):
Yep.
Blair (02:36):
For show number 100.
But he, that gentleman has not responded.
Okay.
So we will see if that takes.
Takes fruition or not.
Martin (02:48):
Yep, it will, it will happen.
We have some backup plans also.
I mean with 100 episodes we could have areview.
We could have a so called best of.
Even if every episode is the best so far, I
think you learn from it.
And so and also of course the listener outthere, what's your favorite episode?
(03:09):
And then you could support us in that way,could send a gift for that episode because
it's a creation and we are putting in time,energy and money into this and it's so called
free because you could Listen for free,
but it's not really free.
And we will continue doing this.
But it's great to get this appreciation andsome support and getting something back, so to
(03:36):
speak.
But that's also as we are interested in
philosophy and fundamental ideas.
You often hear that giving back to the
community,
to the society, to the country,
to the, to the race, to the labor party,whatever.
And that's scary.
So we don't want to have any sacrifice.
(03:56):
But the good thing with this value for value
model and with real money like parts ofbitcoin satoshis, you could send a very small
amount without any special fees and it wouldgo directly to us and then we could distribute
it and split it to our guests.
So I really see the opportunities here in thefuture.
(04:17):
But it will take time and still accept silvercoins and check in the mail.
They could send it to you and PayPal, we haveseveral buy me a coffee and other things like
that.
Blair (04:34):
But what was I my train of thought was.
Martin (04:39):
The guests that you're planning and also our episodes and you have reached out.
Blair (04:45):
Right.
So hopefully that gentleman will respond.
Martin (04:49):
Yep.
Blair (04:49):
But as you just said there are backup plans and but I wanted to.
I do have a bit of a sandwich today.
New sandwich I have.
I want to start off with a good some good newsand of course when I look for good news I
always go to human progress.org yep.
(05:14):
And I'll just read this off if I may.
Martin (05:18):
Yes.
Blair (05:19):
Quote.
Over the last few weeks there there's been a
massive nuclear policy shift in Europe andNorth America.
Belgium voted to abandon its nuclear phase outplan.
Germany signaled that it will no longer opposeclassifying nuclear power alongside renewables
in EU law.
(05:39):
Sweden plans to build an additional 5 gigawattof nuclear capacity by 2035.
Good for you.
Martin (05:46):
Yeah, it is.
Blair (05:49):
Then. See, President Trump signed four executive orders intended to expedite nuclear
reactor approval,
boost domestic fuel supply,
authorize reactor construction on federal landand dramatically expand United States or US
nuclear energy production.
Martin (06:07):
Yeah. And Blair, to be a bit symbolic, we have talked about that we are not as
atheist per se because that's, you know,removal of God or whatever.
Atheist, atheist.
But the symbol is the atomic symbol for manyatheists and it's also nuclear power.
So that's interesting in a way with scienceand nuclear and this power thing.
(06:31):
So that's something I saw that you did as funas a co pilot and also the AI to the secular
foxhole.
And when you got the fox and a microphone and
the word of our podcast.
Blair (06:46):
Yes, I think that should be I honestly think that should be our new symbol.
But that's.
Martin (06:50):
Yeah, we will look into that.
And that's.
I mean if we find creators that are good atthis and we could come up with some kind of
cooperation with this value for value and thesplit.
So every time the artwork is showing in theepisode, the art creator will get something or
if we could go and like a funding crowdfundingcampaign or something like that, or using AI
(07:19):
in a way.
So I like what we have so far and it's workedfor a long time, but I think it's a bit time
to do a new thing and even with the jinglealso.
And we will talk more about that in thefuture.
So that was great news to hear about nucleardevelopment there.
Of course it has to be safe.
And that's a problem here in Sweden.
(07:41):
When we had this so called election to go andvote for that, it was either.
It was very scary tactics because it had beenthis, you know,
tragic accident in Harrisburg.
And so it was hard to promote safe nuclearbecause.
And,
but so much have developed over time.
(08:03):
But Sweden then you're not allowed at all to
do research and development or looking intothe science and develop it over time.
So it was shut down totally.
Blair (08:13):
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Martin (08:16):
And Germany was the leading pack there.
They really put that.
And then,
sorry to say, many other European countriesinfluenced and that's the Green.
The Green Party and the Green Movement comingfrom Germany.
That's original from that.
Blair (08:33):
Oh yes.
Oh yeah.
Well,
otherwise I know that there has beensignificant advancement in nuclear safety
certainly.
So that should be incorporated into what's
happening in here in the near future.
So that.
(08:53):
But as far as the new sandwich, the couple ofbad news things both involve President Trump.
Martin (09:02):
Yeah.
Blair (09:03):
As you might expect, yes.
He has betrayed the.
The Afghanis who assisted the military inAfghanistan during that protracted conflict.
He has not only threatened to send them back,he has actually sent them back to Afghanistan.
(09:29):
The people that assisted our military for allthose years and were,
because they were loyal to us,
they were granted access to the United Stateswhile he has kicked them out.
Martin (09:49):
Yeah. Strange.
And as continue.
Blair (09:54):
So that's the right hand sucker punch.
And the left one is that in this big beautiful
bill it's in front of the Senate right now,there's a 62 word plank, if you will, that
(10:16):
fellow objectivist Nicholas Provenzo hassounded the alarm about.
I didn't bring that up and I. Let me see if Ican get that his comment on that.
But it's basically removing a protection ofordinary citizens,
the constant, the constitutional protection ofthe people.
(10:42):
So that is a huge alarming Trend.
And so Mr. Provenzo, if you will, has urgedevery objectivist or every decent human being
to write their senators to have that,
that plank removed from this big beautifulbill.
(11:04):
And so I'm going to formulate.
And he actually wrote his.
And he said he could.
Anyone who wanted to, could use his template,just, you know, substitute your senators and
so on and so forth to.
To it.
To that template and send it off.
(11:26):
So that's what I'm going to do in the next dayor so,
because that they're not.
I think they're still contemplating it.
I don't think they're.
Hopefully they'll take their time and lookthis thing over.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Martin (11:42):
I will add a thing short commentary about.
Because I will publish this on Ascension Day,or we call it in Swedish,
like Christ Flying Day. It is so called whenChrist was coming alive and going up to heaven
with the apostles.
So it's important for religious people.
(12:04):
And then you could fly.
And then Trump went to the Arab world and got
a plane from Qatar.
Right.
Like a brighter thing.
Blair (12:13):
Yes.
Martin (12:14):
And you know, follow money where.
What, what,
what do they do in Qatar?That's something to think about,
you know, with mosque building and religiousdogma and other things like that.
And the by.
How do they call it, the studying schools that
they are doing when they really put it insidetheir head, Quran thing.
(12:38):
So that's something to think about why he wentto these places in the Arabic world.
You know,
he even wanted to change the name of thePersian Gulf now.
Blair (12:52):
Oh, really?
Martin (12:53):
Yeah. And that were Pahlavi,
the son of Shaun of Iran.
He said that's BS it always have been called
Persian Gulf and shouldn't be called Arabic orArab Gulf in order to appease them.
I mean, it's very.
Yeah. Tragic.
Blair (13:15):
He's a blowhard.
Martin (13:16):
Yeah. So the positive ending, positive thing then, right?
Blair (13:20):
Yes, I wanted to discuss the positive thing.
I want to discuss.
I guess I could use the word triggered.
People may or may not know that.
Of course, I'm an objectivist to the best of
my ability.
(13:40):
I follow my own ability to reason based on Ms.
Rand's ideas.
But I am alone in my family in that regard.
And I got a clip from a family member onFacebook about the Reverend Charles Stanley
(14:09):
and his little five minute ditto or Diddy wasabout where would you be without Jesus?
And I just thought, you know what,
I've listened to it and that I immediatelythought I need To I had bought the pamphlet
and the Kindle version of On Cargatte'sFinding Morality and Happiness Without God.
(14:35):
So I started reading that as the antidote toMr. Stanley.
And I highly, highly, highly recommend ourlisteners to find that pamphlet on Amazon and
either get the hard copy or the Kindleversion.
(14:57):
And it's 31 pages and it is a gold mine ofsunlit ideas, if you will.
So that's my new sandwich for the day.
I can end on that.
And I know that again we've,
you know, this is episode 98. 98 episodes ofthis podcast.
(15:21):
That's over what now five years?
Martin (15:23):
Yep, time flies.
Blair (15:25):
Yeah, I'm very proud of that.
Martin (15:26):
Yeah, you should.
And,
and, and me too.
And we have been then recognized another time
in a. In a list of secular secularism orsecular podcasts.
And this time we got the placement numberfive.
So I will include that in the show notes.
Blair (15:47):
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
So in one survey we're number nine and in this
new survey we're number five.
Martin (15:57):
So it looked.
Yeah in similar in a way in the layout and
design and so on, but it was a new domain anda new list.
And also I pointed out to them because Itweeted to myself and others that on the list
that our email address how we could contactand go to the secularfoxhole live and there
(16:21):
you could have the contact information there.
Blair (16:23):
Right.
Martin (16:24):
We have listed because that's an address but it is a lightning address.
So now it's getting this, you know,
lingo but that's.
We have one albit in order to get support and
donations and this giving back in in a way.
And that's looks like an email address but
(16:44):
it's going to.
Blair (16:45):
Oh no, that's not an email address.
No.
Martin (16:47):
Yeah, I pointed out that to them.
So. Yeah, so.
Blair (16:52):
But they still haven't changed it.
So they need to change it.
Martin (16:56):
But they.
They.
Blair (16:56):
Another way to reach us, if I may just interject.
Martin (16:59):
Yeah.
Blair (16:59):
Is those who want to write us can just write us@secular foxholemail.com Good, that's
very easy.
Secular foxholemail.com yeah, but otherwise
that's about all I have for this time.
Martin (17:17):
Great.
Blair (17:17):
And oh, I do want to mention one more thing.
Martin (17:21):
Yes.
Blair (17:22):
I don't know, Martin, if you have Netflix.
Martin (17:25):
No,
but I haven't.
I'm not a subscriber.
That's again talking about value for value.
It's often lock you in.
So I would like the model that you put pay foras you want and you pay for a certain movie,
whatever not locked in per monthly but itcould be a good thing also.
(17:45):
I mean saying that if you are listening outthere and want to do that in an easy way, you
could support us on a monthly basis.
So that's an option also.
But yeah.
Well, what's on Netflix?Any new good stuff?
Blair (18:01):
Well, it's a Swedish film called Caliphate and I'm sure you can imagine what
that's about.
And so,
and I follow on,
I think it's Bing. I follow someone whoreviews Netflix under the radar things and
(18:27):
that was one of the things that they mentioneda Swedish film called Caliphate and so I
haven't seen.
I've started to watch it but I haven'tfinished.
Martin (18:36):
So please, please send the link and I'll include that and I will, I will check it
out and see if it's original Swedish or ifit's, I.
Blair (18:44):
Mean it's Swedish with English subtitles.
Martin (18:48):
So yes, then I definitely have to see it and find it.
Maybe I will find it on the so called statepublic television but we pay it by the tax
money there.
We can't choo.
But otherwise it could be on a commercialchannel also.
So I mentioned that in the Green Room to theArmageddon movie that's about the last battle
(19:15):
and that's a scary movie but that's only Ithink available now on Alazera so that you
have to take it with a bit of grain of salt,so to speak.
But it's an interesting documentary to watchabout how the religious.
I think it's the evangelist,
how do you call it?Evangelical,
(19:37):
how they,
you know, plan for the future about the lastbattle, the Armageddon.
Blair (19:44):
Well, I mean that's part of.
I'm assuming that's probably part of
revelation in the Bible.
I would assume, yeah.
And there are,
I don't know how many Christian sects.
Sects, S E C T s sects.
There are probably over 200 and probably eachone of them has their own bizarre version.
(20:05):
And it is bizarre, I'm sure nonetheless wewill continue to advocate reason,
individualism and capitalism here at thesecular Foxhole.
Martin (20:21):
Yeah, and the Trader principles.
I will also include that in the show Notes on
the Rand lexicon and also about this value forvalue concept episode when they're talking
about that.
And also a segment that you could listen andthat's in a way coming from religious because
they have been good at that.
After the sermons you have this collection box
or the net so it's time.
(20:44):
But you listen to us and you spend time onthat.
We value that and then your talent, if youwant to help with your future jingle or new
artwork or maybe helping with chapters in thefuture.
And then, of course, treasure, that's paymentand gifts giving in different ways.
(21:05):
So that's this concept.
Blair (21:08):
Right.
Martin (21:08):
We do that in the show notes also.
So very good.
Blair (21:11):
Yes.
Martin (21:11):
Great player.
Blair (21:13):
All right, Martin.
Well, thank you very much.
Martin (21:16):
Yep.
Blair (21:17):
And we will.
I think we can call it a wrap.
Martin (21:20):
Yes, we will do that.
Blair (21:22):
All right, Martin, thanks.
Martin (21:24):
Bye for now.
Blair (21:25):
Bye.
Martin (21:25):
Bye.
Foreign. Here we are, Martin and I here to in the secular foxhole celebrating another
episode.
I believe it's number 98.
Hi Martin.
Martin (00:17):
Hi Blair.
Blair (00:18):
It's good, good to hear from you.
Same today here in the United States.
It's Memorial Day.
Martin (00:25):
Yep.
Blair (00:26):
And it's where we honor our, our fallen soldiers.
And I was.
Martin (00:33):
Is that clear? Missing in action also.
Blair (00:37):
No, missing in action means that they don't know what happened to the soldier.
He could be in a prison of war camp or he,
they couldn't find his body.
Martin (00:48):
Yeah.
Blair (00:48):
A prisoner of war.
But missing in action means they couldn't findhis body or he's still in prison camp or they
just don't know his whereabouts.
I was thinking earlier today that Ayn Rand thedominant ethics around the world is Judeo
Christian and the word sacrifice is justoozing out of everyone's TV commentators
(01:14):
mouths.
But I like what Ayman Rand said that it's nota sacrifice to defend something you value.
You know, that's.
I think that that sentiment needs to be more
widely.
Martin (01:29):
If you advertised, if you will.
Yeah.
If you defend values.
Yeah, yeah.
Defend values and liberty and freedom.
Blair (01:36):
That's right.
It's not a sacrifice.
Martin (01:38):
Yeah.
Blair (01:38):
But it's a tragedy if you lose your life.
But it's.
If you understand the meaning and value of
freedom and liberty, it's not a sacrifice.
So. But that was something I thought of
earlier and we are, you know, but this, it's asolemn day for many, many people across the
(02:01):
country and around the world.
But otherwise, you know,
my wife and I had went out today and did someerrands and did some things and had some at
lunch.
But what else did we do?
I have a couple of interesting stories andsome thoughts about.
(02:23):
Again, this is episode 98. So we have one morebefore episode 100.
Martin (02:30):
Yep.
Blair (02:30):
And I'm trying to reach out to an objectivist intellectual.
Martin (02:36):
Yep.
Blair (02:36):
For show number 100.
But he, that gentleman has not responded.
Okay.
So we will see if that takes.
Takes fruition or not.
Martin (02:48):
Yep, it will, it will happen.
We have some backup plans also.
I mean with 100 episodes we could have areview.
We could have a so called best of.
Even if every episode is the best so far, I
think you learn from it.
And so and also of course the listener outthere, what's your favorite episode?
(03:09):
And then you could support us in that way,could send a gift for that episode because
it's a creation and we are putting in time,energy and money into this and it's so called
free because you could Listen for free,
but it's not really free.
And we will continue doing this.
But it's great to get this appreciation andsome support and getting something back, so to
(03:36):
speak.
But that's also as we are interested in
philosophy and fundamental ideas.
You often hear that giving back to the
community,
to the society, to the country,
to the, to the race, to the labor party,whatever.
And that's scary.
So we don't want to have any sacrifice.
(03:56):
But the good thing with this value for value
model and with real money like parts ofbitcoin satoshis, you could send a very small
amount without any special fees and it wouldgo directly to us and then we could distribute
it and split it to our guests.
So I really see the opportunities here in thefuture.
(04:17):
But it will take time and still accept silvercoins and check in the mail.
They could send it to you and PayPal, we haveseveral buy me a coffee and other things like
that.
Blair (04:34):
But what was I my train of thought was.
Martin (04:39):
The guests that you're planning and also our episodes and you have reached out.
Blair (04:45):
Right.
So hopefully that gentleman will respond.
Martin (04:49):
Yep.
Blair (04:49):
But as you just said there are backup plans and but I wanted to.
I do have a bit of a sandwich today.
New sandwich I have.
I want to start off with a good some good newsand of course when I look for good news I
always go to human progress.org yep.
(05:14):
And I'll just read this off if I may.
Martin (05:18):
Yes.
Blair (05:19):
Quote.
Over the last few weeks there there's been a
massive nuclear policy shift in Europe andNorth America.
Belgium voted to abandon its nuclear phase outplan.
Germany signaled that it will no longer opposeclassifying nuclear power alongside renewables
in EU law.
(05:39):
Sweden plans to build an additional 5 gigawattof nuclear capacity by 2035.
Good for you.
Martin (05:46):
Yeah, it is.
Blair (05:49):
Then. See, President Trump signed four executive orders intended to expedite nuclear
reactor approval,
boost domestic fuel supply,
authorize reactor construction on federal landand dramatically expand United States or US
nuclear energy production.
Martin (06:07):
Yeah. And Blair, to be a bit symbolic, we have talked about that we are not as
atheist per se because that's, you know,removal of God or whatever.
Atheist, atheist.
But the symbol is the atomic symbol for manyatheists and it's also nuclear power.
So that's interesting in a way with scienceand nuclear and this power thing.
(06:31):
So that's something I saw that you did as funas a co pilot and also the AI to the secular
foxhole.
And when you got the fox and a microphone and
the word of our podcast.
Blair (06:46):
Yes, I think that should be I honestly think that should be our new symbol.
But that's.
Martin (06:50):
Yeah, we will look into that.
And that's.
I mean if we find creators that are good atthis and we could come up with some kind of
cooperation with this value for value and thesplit.
So every time the artwork is showing in theepisode, the art creator will get something or
if we could go and like a funding crowdfundingcampaign or something like that, or using AI
(07:19):
in a way.
So I like what we have so far and it's workedfor a long time, but I think it's a bit time
to do a new thing and even with the jinglealso.
And we will talk more about that in thefuture.
So that was great news to hear about nucleardevelopment there.
Of course it has to be safe.
And that's a problem here in Sweden.
(07:41):
When we had this so called election to go andvote for that, it was either.
It was very scary tactics because it had beenthis, you know,
tragic accident in Harrisburg.
And so it was hard to promote safe nuclearbecause.
And,
but so much have developed over time.
(08:03):
But Sweden then you're not allowed at all to
do research and development or looking intothe science and develop it over time.
So it was shut down totally.
Blair (08:13):
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Martin (08:16):
And Germany was the leading pack there.
They really put that.
And then,
sorry to say, many other European countriesinfluenced and that's the Green.
The Green Party and the Green Movement comingfrom Germany.
That's original from that.
Blair (08:33):
Oh yes.
Oh yeah.
Well,
otherwise I know that there has beensignificant advancement in nuclear safety
certainly.
So that should be incorporated into what's
happening in here in the near future.
So that.
(08:53):
But as far as the new sandwich, the couple ofbad news things both involve President Trump.
Martin (09:02):
Yeah.
Blair (09:03):
As you might expect, yes.
He has betrayed the.
The Afghanis who assisted the military inAfghanistan during that protracted conflict.
He has not only threatened to send them back,he has actually sent them back to Afghanistan.
(09:29):
The people that assisted our military for allthose years and were,
because they were loyal to us,
they were granted access to the United Stateswhile he has kicked them out.
Martin (09:49):
Yeah. Strange.
And as continue.
Blair (09:54):
So that's the right hand sucker punch.
And the left one is that in this big beautiful
bill it's in front of the Senate right now,there's a 62 word plank, if you will, that
(10:16):
fellow objectivist Nicholas Provenzo hassounded the alarm about.
I didn't bring that up and I. Let me see if Ican get that his comment on that.
But it's basically removing a protection ofordinary citizens,
the constant, the constitutional protection ofthe people.
(10:42):
So that is a huge alarming Trend.
And so Mr. Provenzo, if you will, has urgedevery objectivist or every decent human being
to write their senators to have that,
that plank removed from this big beautifulbill.
(11:04):
And so I'm going to formulate.
And he actually wrote his.
And he said he could.
Anyone who wanted to, could use his template,just, you know, substitute your senators and
so on and so forth to.
To it.
To that template and send it off.
(11:26):
So that's what I'm going to do in the next dayor so,
because that they're not.
I think they're still contemplating it.
I don't think they're.
Hopefully they'll take their time and lookthis thing over.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Martin (11:42):
I will add a thing short commentary about.
Because I will publish this on Ascension Day,or we call it in Swedish,
like Christ Flying Day. It is so called whenChrist was coming alive and going up to heaven
with the apostles.
So it's important for religious people.
(12:04):
And then you could fly.
And then Trump went to the Arab world and got
a plane from Qatar.
Right.
Like a brighter thing.
Blair (12:13):
Yes.
Martin (12:14):
And you know, follow money where.
What, what,
what do they do in Qatar?That's something to think about,
you know, with mosque building and religiousdogma and other things like that.
And the by.
How do they call it, the studying schools that
they are doing when they really put it insidetheir head, Quran thing.
(12:38):
So that's something to think about why he wentto these places in the Arabic world.
You know,
he even wanted to change the name of thePersian Gulf now.
Blair (12:52):
Oh, really?
Martin (12:53):
Yeah. And that were Pahlavi,
the son of Shaun of Iran.
He said that's BS it always have been called
Persian Gulf and shouldn't be called Arabic orArab Gulf in order to appease them.
I mean, it's very.
Yeah. Tragic.
Blair (13:15):
He's a blowhard.
Martin (13:16):
Yeah. So the positive ending, positive thing then, right?
Blair (13:20):
Yes, I wanted to discuss the positive thing.
I want to discuss.
I guess I could use the word triggered.
People may or may not know that.
Of course, I'm an objectivist to the best of
my ability.
(13:40):
I follow my own ability to reason based on Ms.
Rand's ideas.
But I am alone in my family in that regard.
And I got a clip from a family member onFacebook about the Reverend Charles Stanley
(14:09):
and his little five minute ditto or Diddy wasabout where would you be without Jesus?
And I just thought, you know what,
I've listened to it and that I immediatelythought I need To I had bought the pamphlet
and the Kindle version of On Cargatte'sFinding Morality and Happiness Without God.
(14:35):
So I started reading that as the antidote toMr. Stanley.
And I highly, highly, highly recommend ourlisteners to find that pamphlet on Amazon and
either get the hard copy or the Kindleversion.
(14:57):
And it's 31 pages and it is a gold mine ofsunlit ideas, if you will.
So that's my new sandwich for the day.
I can end on that.
And I know that again we've,
you know, this is episode 98. 98 episodes ofthis podcast.
(15:21):
That's over what now five years?
Martin (15:23):
Yep, time flies.
Blair (15:25):
Yeah, I'm very proud of that.
Martin (15:26):
Yeah, you should.
And,
and, and me too.
And we have been then recognized another time
in a. In a list of secular secularism orsecular podcasts.
And this time we got the placement numberfive.
So I will include that in the show notes.
Blair (15:47):
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
So in one survey we're number nine and in this
new survey we're number five.
Martin (15:57):
So it looked.
Yeah in similar in a way in the layout and
design and so on, but it was a new domain anda new list.
And also I pointed out to them because Itweeted to myself and others that on the list
that our email address how we could contactand go to the secularfoxhole live and there
(16:21):
you could have the contact information there.
Blair (16:23):
Right.
Martin (16:24):
We have listed because that's an address but it is a lightning address.
So now it's getting this, you know,
lingo but that's.
We have one albit in order to get support and
donations and this giving back in in a way.
And that's looks like an email address but
(16:44):
it's going to.
Blair (16:45):
Oh no, that's not an email address.
No.
Martin (16:47):
Yeah, I pointed out that to them.
So. Yeah, so.
Blair (16:52):
But they still haven't changed it.
So they need to change it.
Martin (16:56):
But they.
They.
Blair (16:56):
Another way to reach us, if I may just interject.
Martin (16:59):
Yeah.
Blair (16:59):
Is those who want to write us can just write us@secular foxholemail.com Good, that's
very easy.
Secular foxholemail.com yeah, but otherwise
that's about all I have for this time.
Martin (17:17):
Great.
Blair (17:17):
And oh, I do want to mention one more thing.
Martin (17:21):
Yes.
Blair (17:22):
I don't know, Martin, if you have Netflix.
Martin (17:25):
No,
but I haven't.
I'm not a subscriber.
That's again talking about value for value.
It's often lock you in.
So I would like the model that you put pay foras you want and you pay for a certain movie,
whatever not locked in per monthly but itcould be a good thing also.
(17:45):
I mean saying that if you are listening outthere and want to do that in an easy way, you
could support us on a monthly basis.
So that's an option also.
But yeah.
Well, what's on Netflix?Any new good stuff?
Blair (18:01):
Well, it's a Swedish film called Caliphate and I'm sure you can imagine what
that's about.
And so,
and I follow on,
I think it's Bing. I follow someone whoreviews Netflix under the radar things and
(18:27):
that was one of the things that they mentioneda Swedish film called Caliphate and so I
haven't seen.
I've started to watch it but I haven'tfinished.
Martin (18:36):
So please, please send the link and I'll include that and I will, I will check it
out and see if it's original Swedish or ifit's, I.
Blair (18:44):
Mean it's Swedish with English subtitles.
Martin (18:48):
So yes, then I definitely have to see it and find it.
Maybe I will find it on the so called statepublic television but we pay it by the tax
money there.
We can't choo.
But otherwise it could be on a commercialchannel also.
So I mentioned that in the Green Room to theArmageddon movie that's about the last battle
(19:15):
and that's a scary movie but that's only Ithink available now on Alazera so that you
have to take it with a bit of grain of salt,so to speak.
But it's an interesting documentary to watchabout how the religious.
I think it's the evangelist,
how do you call it?Evangelical,
(19:37):
how they,
you know, plan for the future about the lastbattle, the Armageddon.
Blair (19:44):
Well, I mean that's part of.
I'm assuming that's probably part of
revelation in the Bible.
I would assume, yeah.
And there are,
I don't know how many Christian sects.
Sects, S E C T s sects.
There are probably over 200 and probably eachone of them has their own bizarre version.
(20:05):
And it is bizarre, I'm sure nonetheless wewill continue to advocate reason,
individualism and capitalism here at thesecular Foxhole.
Martin (20:21):
Yeah, and the Trader principles.
I will also include that in the show Notes on
the Rand lexicon and also about this value forvalue concept episode when they're talking
about that.
And also a segment that you could listen andthat's in a way coming from religious because
they have been good at that.
After the sermons you have this collection box
or the net so it's time.
(20:44):
But you listen to us and you spend time onthat.
We value that and then your talent, if youwant to help with your future jingle or new
artwork or maybe helping with chapters in thefuture.
And then, of course, treasure, that's paymentand gifts giving in different ways.
(21:05):
So that's this concept.
Blair (21:08):
Right.
Martin (21:08):
We do that in the show notes also.
So very good.
Blair (21:11):
Yes.
Martin (21:11):
Great player.
Blair (21:13):
All right, Martin.
Well, thank you very much.
Martin (21:16):
Yep.
Blair (21:17):
And we will.
I think we can call it a wrap.
Martin (21:20):
Yes, we will do that.
Blair (21:22):
All right, Martin, thanks.
Martin (21:24):
Bye for now.
Blair (21:25):
Bye.
Martin (21:25):
Bye.
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