August 6, 2024 • 32 mins
Martin and Blair cover a variety of topics today. From the Olympics to Objectivism, not to mention Human Progress and the overall bleak outlook. We also talk about a review of our podcast, the Podcasting 2.0 initiative, and statistics for The Secular Foxhole podcast.
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Show notes with links to articles, blog posts, products and services:
- Amy Peikoff's news sandwich
- The Secular Moral Alternative to Dawkins and Ayaan Hirsi Ali
- Why We Need More Objectivists and Objectivist Intellectuals
- Ayn Rand Bot on Twitter (X)
- Ayn Rand Bot - Prometheus Foundation
- Aristotle - Delphi.ai
- Thomas Aquinas
- Aquinas’s Arguments for God
- The Aristotle Adventure: A Guide to the Greek, Arabic, & Latin Scholars Who Transmitted Aristotle's Logic to the Renaissance
- Rock Star Morrissey Calls Out Fauci, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab as ‘Criminals’ During Vegas Concert - Breitbart
- Bosch Fawstin on Instagram
- Bosch Fawstin's tweet about his content on Instagram
- The Secular Foxhole Reviewed - Podcast Rodeo (October 18, 2023)
- The Secular Foxhole site (powered by Podpage)
- Value 4 Value
- What is Podcasting 2.0? And Why Should I Care?
- New, modern podcast applications
- The Secular Foxhole on TrueFans
- Trader...
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Blair (00:09):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon, or good evening, and welcome to the
secular foxhole.
Today it's Martin and I, and we're just going
to go over some things that we picked out thatwe wanted to discuss, and we'll have some
Olympic discussion and some objectivistdiscussion and a few other news items of what
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we think are of note.
Martin (00:34):
Yep.
Blair (00:34):
And how are you, Martin?
Martin (00:35):
I'm fine.
And like you could say, label of description
on ingredients is that we have two formats ofthis podcast.
The main thing that we really enjoy and likeis the guests that are adding value and
research, and then we have interview them orhaving conversation or a mix of that and so
(00:56):
on.
And we will add that also maybe extra
material, what we learn from that.
But we let the guests talk and take the stage.
When it's Blair and myself, we have so calleddo show, and then it could be some chitchat.
Hopefully we have some value and content, andwe have the thing that called new sandwich,
the idea that we got from Amy Peacock thatlike the sandwich a good thing, something in
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the middle that is not, maybe not so good, andthen ending on good thing.
But sometimes we have only good things.
Sometimes I not a good thing and sometimes a
mix of strings.
And you have that right now.
You have digged up some news items here.
Blair (01:38):
Yes, I have.
And they're.
They're mostly good.
Martin (01:41):
Good to hear.
We need that.
Blair (01:43):
And there's some very good things.
And then mostly good.
Martin (01:46):
Yeah.
Blair (01:46):
So. But I can.
I can start those off if you like.
Martin (01:50):
Yeah, please.
Blair (01:50):
There's.
I just recently watched two great YouTube
videos, both from the Ayn Rand Institute.
The first one is called the secular moral
alternative to Dawkins and Iann Hersey Ali.
And this was about a 40 Minutes show narrated
(02:11):
by Ben Baer, who's consistently doingoutstanding work, in my personal opinion.
And he dissects, if you will, the recentdebate that Richard Dawkins and Miss Ali had.
I guess it was in New York.
And I do want to point out, Miss Ali recently
(02:33):
converted to Christianity after being anoutspoken atheist for many, perhaps over a
decade, and had a courageous stand againstIslam.
But again, she recently converted toChristianity.
And this alleged, I don't know if it was adebate more or less.
It was more or less a discussion betweenDawkins, the narrator, and mass Ali.
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But again, Ben comes at it from an objectivistpoint of view, and it's very enlightening.
So I highly recommend that YouTube videocalled the secular moral alternative to
Dawkins and Ian Hirsi Ali, which of course,means objectivism.
(03:19):
And then the other video, this was, I think arecent certainly happened this year.
I think it was in Europe, actually.
Ankar Gate gave a speech called objectivists
wanted why we need more objectivists, and notjust philosophers, teachers, lawyers,
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whatever, but just in general.
And it was very uplifting to me.
Objectivism, frankly, is worth people taking alook at it.
I know what I. I was basically an aimless,drifting 20 something year old when I was
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introduced to the fountainhead.
And just.
It changed my life for the better, I'm tellingyou.
It was quite an eye opening and a greatexperience, something I really, really, really
needed to focus my life and to better my life.
And so that talk is very, very good.
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It's just over an hour.
And that was.
So that was.
I recommend both of those YouTube videos from
the Ayn Rand Institute.
Martin (04:34):
And I have a point there.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Because we now talked about the different holy
scriptures and how you study.
You could study in a way, and you could be a
student of objectivism and Rand's philosophy.
And then it's to apply it also to your life.
Blair (04:50):
Exactly.
Martin (04:50):
And your profession and your hobbies, your passion, your interests, what not.
And because it's a. Pat ran said it's aphilosophy here on earth.
Something like that.
Right.
Blair (05:00):
For here.
For living.
Martin (05:01):
For here.
Yeah.
Blair (05:03):
For living on earth.
Martin (05:04):
So that's something to think about.
And then I came as also news, you could say
now you could have the artificial intelligenceand robots.
I know that Amy Peekov had a Twitter accountcalled Randrobot or something like that.
Yeah, Randbot.
Yeah.
And now it's built on something from DelphiAI.
(05:29):
I think we will include that in the shownotes, both Rand and also Aristotle.
And that was pretty fascinating to write.
Something I wrote.
Which book or work should I start with?Or could you start with.
And then it was in her voice.
Blair (05:48):
Pretty close to her voice, I think.
Martin (05:49):
Yeah. And what we recommended, either it was something from a lecture or it was
somewhere it's coming from.
And I thought that was really neat.
But then it said from the gecko that youshould go to the source, read Rand's work, and
listen to courses and interviews and whatnot.
(06:10):
But this is really interesting, because you
could then use AI in a positive and productiveand rational way.
So I was impressed.
And I will look into this Aristotle thing,
because if you are not a scholar or not,that's your career.
You could learn something from that also.
So, yeah, I thought that was a night.
Blair (06:32):
I really appreciated that link to the Aristotle page, because yeah, I asked it.
Martin (06:38):
And we could do also something.
I interrupt you, Blair, but what Rad has said,
has she said Thomas Aquinas?Is he.
Blair (06:46):
Aquinas? Yeah.
Martin (06:47):
Aquinas. Yeah. Is he like a full philosopher or she, she never mentioned
somebody that she say good, good enough.
But like a half or something like that.
Blair (06:56):
Right.
He was only half.
Right.
Now I put it.
Martin (06:58):
Anyway, he tried to, you know, he tried to use reason to prove God by logic, so.
Blair (07:05):
Yeah. And it's not possible.
Martin (07:08):
Yeah. Good luck with that.
But you have to then understand the historical
context.
Blair (07:13):
True, true.
But again, that half that effort back in the,
in the dark ages, if you will, at the end ofthe dark ages, laid the groundwork for the
Renaissance.
Martin (07:24):
Yep.
Blair (07:24):
And the rediscovery of Aristotle and I, again, I think we're in the death throes of
the end of the kantian age.
Now, how long that's going to take a, it may
take, it may take decades, it may take sixmonths.
Martin (07:45):
Again, it's now interrupt you again.
But it's good that you interrupt you because
there we could then invite guests that arereal expert and find value and interest and
passion and time and energy to dive into that.
Blair (07:58):
Yeah.
Martin (07:58):
That's how you and I, we probably have some.
Yeah, we know that.
Okay.
How many generations?And then you have to again, see the context
did Kant has lot, had lot of competition, soto speak.
And how did it spread like Aristotle's ideasthat again, over again, I come back to that
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book, the Aristotle Adventure.
Blair (08:23):
Yeah. It was a wonderful book.
Yes.
Martin (08:24):
By how his ideas survived and moved forward and ended up in all kind of different
places again.
I think it's interesting.
I hope so also that can't era is over, thenthe question is what will come instead?
Blair (08:45):
Right, right.
And that's not looking too good either.
Martin (08:51):
We should try to see positive.
And I see several positive signs also.
Blair (08:56):
Absolutely.
There's no question that.
Martin (08:58):
And you had something that sort of mixed.
It was like a rock musician, right?
Blair (09:03):
Yes. Yeah. This Breitbart reported that Morrissey, in a recent concert, he accused
doctor Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates and the WorldEconomic Forum head Klaus Schwab, or Klaus
Schwab of being criminals and was tied to asong.
(09:28):
Let me see if I can find the song.
Let me see.
Where is that?Here we go.
All right, let's see.
He was singing a song called the World is full
of crashing boars.
Martin (09:41):
Yeah.
Blair (09:42):
And he had those three faces rotating on a screen behind him.
Martin (09:47):
Yeah. We will not play the song because then it's you know, it writes, but we
have the value for value there.
But in the future, musicians could get
something for that.
Blair (09:57):
True.
Martin (09:57):
But it's also interesting if this satirical thing or a parody or freedom of
expression, if that's okay.
I recently saw, like Boss Fostwin had
comments, some political commentary about, youknow, the political race now.
And these images was removed by Instagram.
Blair (10:20):
Really?
Martin (10:21):
Yeah. So something to think about.
Of course, they are private company.
They could do whatever they want in a way.
But it's interesting how this is coming.
Push to show.
Or how do you say push to show?
Blair (10:34):
Yeah.
Martin (10:35):
So it will be interesting in a way, autumn, and see what's, what's happening.
I mean, really, it's taking from like aHollywood movie.
You could say everything what's going on rightnow, right?
Yes, but it's good.
But musicians like rock and roll and others
are really coming out and saying somethinglike that also, so.
Blair (10:56):
Yeah, that's true.
But those were the three items I wanted to
highlight today.
Good.
Go ahead.
You've got some good news around, so go for
it.
Martin (11:10):
And we talked a little about that in green room.
And we will get to the content and wehopefully got to the content.
But some time ago, I searched for our ownpodcast, and I recommend that as a new media
advisor to do that.
And then I found on October, we'll see here.
(11:33):
It was 1823 and it was a review of our episode72 by Dave Jackson on a podcast rodeo show or
something like that.
I think now it's called hot seat and you pay
for the reviews.
But we didn't ask for a review.
But we thank and give hat tips to pod fans.
(11:57):
Now it's called true fans.
So Sam Seti, I think he got that input orsomething, came into his, you could say,
stream recommendation to review this.
So it was interesting and I took some notes
and we will learn from that and get to thecontent and explain in the show notes and the
(12:20):
subject line and titles what the show is allabout.
That said, it's also our show, so we couldhave chit chat and some back and forth.
Also, I will include that in show notes.
So please listen to that review and see what
you think about it.
Blair (12:40):
I will.
Of course I will.
Martin (12:41):
And also our listeners, for example, he said something about the bumper and what
you could have and also planning, and we dosome planning and we have some document to
prepare.
And also then that this is, as I said, is a
duo show.
And then we have guests.
It's more a conversation and focused on theguest.
(13:03):
So, yeah, so I thought that and thencongratulations to Dave for getting a gig here
on pod page.
And we are using that.
You bought that service?
Blair (13:18):
Yes. Page I.
Martin (13:20):
So we have that site where the secularfoxhole dot live, right?
Blair (13:26):
Yes.
Martin (13:27):
And we will do more about that.
I commented a little bit about different
badges and these new modern podcast appsbecause we will promote that more and more.
The listener decides how the listener wants tolisten, but we want to promote new modern
podcast apps so we could adding this value forvalue model into the system.
(13:49):
So I think that was that and what more?Yeah.
Do you want to hear some stats?Stats and.
Yeah.
Stats?
Blair (13:57):
What stats? Absolutely.
I like our stats.
Martin (14:00):
Yeah. And I must say we had a record month and this is also to explain to the
listeners if I value this and what we aredoing, especially with the guests.
Again, I want to onboard all our guests.
It's like 30 individuals, so they could get a
split office for the future.
But we had 300 downloads last month.
Blair (14:21):
Nice.
Martin (14:22):
And I often say we have around seven listeners per day.
So now that's more than that latest month.
And unique listeners, about 150.
So maybe every individual listened like twiceon the same episode, on other episodes or
several episodes or parts of episodes andwhatnot.
And with true fans.
(14:42):
As a side note, I had a conversation with Sam
Sativara there.
We could see lots of interesting features in
future with data and statistics and.
Yeah, so that could really be interesting for
podcasters, for listeners, for everyoneinvolved in this so called industry and
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category of programming.
Great.
And so in total we have ten k. 10,000downloads and listeners in total since we
started.
Around 5000 individual unique listeners.
Blair (15:21):
That's great.
Martin (15:22):
Then I have the commentary.
You have to take it a bit of grain of salt
because you could do different things.
And I have a list of countries here and then I
will have a thought about that.
What did you say, Blair?
Blair (15:32):
I was going to say that's 10,000 since our inception four years ago, right?
Martin (15:37):
Yeah.
Blair (15:38):
Well, I think that's pretty good.
Martin (15:40):
I think so.
For the so called niche podcast.
Blair (15:44):
Yep, niche is correct.
Martin (15:46):
Yeah. So, but interesting with the stats also we want listeners to look at the
opportunity to have a new modern podcast app.
But also as true fans is a progressive web
app.
And there, so you could use it in your regular
web browser and on the phone and it will applyaccordingly.
So you don't have to download an app, but mostof the listeners are listening to desktop
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browser and Chrome, for example.
Blair (16:13):
Right.
Martin (16:13):
So if we could get listeners to look into true fans and you could then sign up for
free and then you could get gamification andyou could get satoshis that you could use to
us or to themselves or some other podcasters.
So to get into this system and thinking so I
see great potential here with true fans andthat's the trader principle.
(16:41):
If we get new users to true fans and listenersand guests and they will get Satoshis, then if
they want they could have this tray theprinciple and say, oh, it was worth to be as a
guest or your content or your value, yourinformation.
Yeah, but it will take some time, right?
Blair (17:03):
Yes.
Martin (17:04):
And then I'm thinking of adding something, a captivated feature called Amy.
Like I think it's standing for automaticinsertion message or something like that.
Often it's for advertising and we don't have,you know, our podcast is not suitable for ads.
We're not big like that and we don't want tohave interruption to have commercial breaks in
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that way.
But we could have a call to action and then we
could change it over time.
So I will play around with that.
Sounds good, more clear.
And also we could have something what this
show is about and so on.
And we have to think about that now when I'm
talking to maybe update our so called trailerbecause that's long time ago now and pretty
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long and maybe we have to do it more spiffy.
I don't know.
But still I standing for that first recording,the first trail and first episode got us
going.
Blair.
Blair (17:59):
Yes, that's a long time ago now.
Yeah.
Martin (18:01):
So with that said, the latest month here on countries is United States as usual,
like still over 50%.
But then the next one is China, 20%.
So do you think, do we have any objectivistsand some others are in China that listen to us
or could it be to Hong Kong or I, because thatI haven't seen before.
Blair (18:25):
I would assume it's Hong Kong to be honest.
Martin (18:28):
Yeah, that's great.
And that's really great that we could listen
from that.
And then the third one is other.
So I wonder if that's VPN.
And of course if you have privacy, if you
don't want to show we can't know and that weshouldn't and we don't want to an individual
listener, we can't have go by name thatsomebody.
Blair (18:49):
Well that's true.
Yeah.
Martin (18:51):
But if of course if they send a booster gram and say their name, then we'll do
a shout out to them.
So in a way that you could have this VPN and
privacy and say no other country.
But on the other hand we think it's fun to see
different countries.
So that was the third one.
So somebody out there or several have startedusing VPN or some country that maybe it's the.
(19:15):
To joke.
Maybe it's the Lieberland or seastead country.
Blair (19:20):
Oh, maybe something like that.
Martin (19:23):
To joke.
Yeah. And then Canada and then Sweden for some
reason.
United Kingdom, Portugal and the Netherlands,
Australia and Belgium.
That was.
Blair (19:35):
I like that.
I like that.
I love Australia.
I'm getting old, but one of my bucket list
dreams is to go to Australia.
Martin (19:45):
Yeah. When you could meet one of great podcasters out there, James Kridland.
And he's all over the place traveling, but hehas pod news podcast and also with Sam Setty,
they have a show there.
So Orino from Australia and you know Karen
down.
(20:05):
Yes, I remember that great review of our
podcast.
He has recently been in Brazil, and now he was
in Nashville to this bitcoin conference.
And especially this value for, value for
musicians that they did close to thisconference.
So he went there.
Yeah, Nashville.
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And do you listen to lots of country musicthere?
Blair (20:32):
I have termed myself a chronic channel changer on the radio.
Martin (20:38):
Yeah.
Blair (20:39):
So I listen to everything.
Yeah.
But I also, I have serious radio, which I dotend to not change so much.
I have, I love eighties music.
Martin (20:51):
Yeah.
Blair (20:53):
Sixties music.
So those two decades, and then my, the
National Football League channel on Siriusradio, and then one or two others, some
others, there's a prime country and so on andso forth.
But those four or five stations are worth the$6.50 a month I pay for a serious radio.
Martin (21:13):
Okay. And where we talk about value, value for value again, in a way.
And it's interesting to see how the all timeradio, how they are doing it.
And you have this national public radio andyou have commercial stations, and it will be
interesting to follow what was going on here.
So.
Blair (21:32):
Yeah, true, true.
Martin (21:33):
And then we talked about the randbot, as I said, and we have to in the future talk
about what's happening in Venezuela and alsowhat happened recently in Iran and Lebanon.
Blair (21:47):
Aha. Yes, that's right.
Martin (21:49):
Really interesting development, so to speak.
And the Olympics.
I will only say that some Christians, I think,
mostly got upset that they had, I got upsetfor another way because it was so called a
parody of a great work of art, you know, thelast Supper.
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But again, they could do it if they want.
But it was.
Yeah.
So it was a bit political, correct.
It was maybe not good taste, but the uproar byChristians about this, I have some issues with
also.
And overall, we should celebrate athletic, you
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know, wins and development and.
Yeah, all things going on, the only.
Blair (22:38):
Reason I watch the Olympics is to hero worship.
Martin (22:42):
Good. Yeah, and we talked about that in the green room about table tennis, ping
pong and other.
Blair (22:51):
I'm a swimming and gymnastics freak.
Martin (22:56):
At.
Blair (22:56):
Least in the Summer Olympics.
Martin (22:58):
Yeah. So we will probably come back to that.
And now I see we have talked to a little bit,but we have some important, you could say news
and development.
And I'm really running with scissors here.
I have set up with help of an objectivist, orinterested in objectivism and rans philosophy
Tolmec in Poland.
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So he helped me with onboarding to get my own
hub or node on Albie.
So it's hard for me to explain what really is.
But I bought by my fiat currency, bought80,000 satoshis, and that's around 500 swedish
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crowns or $50.
And then I set up this.
They recommended to have around 250,000 inorder to have liquidity and be able to receive
and send.
Because it's like channel, it's like open bank
system, you could say, in a decentralizedfinancial way.
Blair (24:00):
Yes, that's about all.
Martin (24:02):
I am amazing and I am not the tech guy and I running with scissors, maybe I will
break things.
Of course, if I lose the satoshis, that's one
thing.
But it's interesting, if more individuals like
me, that not technical will do this over time,that will be very interesting impact.
Blair (24:23):
Yes.
Martin (24:24):
And that's again why I say that it was so great to have a real expert like Dave.
Or is it David Dave?Yeah, on the show explaining what is really
bitcoin and cryptocurrency and how you protectit and what we should stand up for and
etcetera.
So I got that.
So right now I have like 15,000 satouches inreceiving capacity.
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And that's meaning if somebody will send us adonation of 15,000, I could receive it, but
it's more than that.
Then there will be problem in the channel.
So that's something to think.
That's why we recommended to have 250,000
satoshis.
But at this day, age or time, it's around 1500
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swedish crowns or $150.
To get that, of course you own them and you
keep them, but then you spread this out inthese different channels.
So you could have receiving and incoming.
So now I have been spending off the 80,000 I
have been spending, and then they are going tothis receiving capacity.
So for 80,000 approximately now I have 65 ofspending.
(25:36):
So I have spent around 15,000 you know, so Iwill be able to receive 15.
Do you see what I'm saying?So it's like a channel, like a balance.
And I'm already lost in explaining it.
But that's why we should have guests on the
show.
Blair (25:54):
I'll have David try to get David back so he can teach you.
Martin (25:57):
So in order to really get this going, I have to open a new channel.
But then I have to get some satoshis in orderto do that because I don't have extra laying
around 1500 swedish crowns or $150 for this.
So I'm already out of my league.
But it was fun to test.
And you now, acquaintance and a person, an
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individual that's interested in Rand's ideasby chance and also explaining this, what they
are doing at Albie.
It's really fascinating.
So I'm happy to be alive in this day of age.
Blair (26:33):
That's true.
I mean, regardless of all the negative
negativity.
Again, if we go to humanprogress.org, that
will boost everyone's spirits, if you will.
Martin (26:47):
And you can.
That's good.
So maybe get somebody there from.
And also roots of progress also.
Blair (26:56):
That's. Yes, Jason Crawford.
Yeah, that's become an institute now.
Yeah, that's right.
I think we mentioned that on the last show.
Martin (27:02):
Yeah. So a case in point here now.
And I now I'm babbling a bit, but we'll see
here how we are doing.
Yeah, around a half an hour.
So 221905 satoshis.
And you know what that is?
Blair (27:17):
I do, I sign Ren's birthday.
Martin (27:19):
Yeah. So that's a booster grant that I've added to the GitHub page.
The numerology page.
Blair (27:25):
Yes.
Martin (27:25):
So when I back in the now it's around 1500 swedish crowns for $150.
Some years ago when we did.
When I did this, it was around 500 swedish
crowns or $50.
So my question is, what happened with the
value of bitcoin and the so called value ofthe fiat currency?
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So that's something to think about andintrospect and.
Yeah, maybe again have an expert on explainingwhat's going on.
Blair (27:56):
Yeah. Okay. I'll do my best to get somebody.
Martin (28:00):
Yeah. Thanks again, Tomik to help me onboarding on Albi and also to meet the new
objectivist.
Objectivist and interest in Rand's ideas and
apply it.
Really.
And so that's great.
So true.
Fans has an ending.
Sam said he's doing new features all the time
and I had a call with him and we are reallygetting close to so called top up your wallet
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with fiat currency or any credit card.
So you could start playing around with this
and start getting into it.
So that's great because then it will be easier
for us to onboarding our guests and listenersand others.
So this will go around back and forth as atrader principle and then also adding the
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split.
So I will do that.
So really interesting developments here.
And Sam is doing a great job.
And we talked also about that he will be afuture guest on a specific topic when it comes
to podcasting and conferences and whatnot.
And then I wanted to talk in the future that
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we should think about getting a new podcastartwork.
And I think we should find some fine artistsout there.
What we have had on our show, and also I havehad on my show ego netkost.
But for that, because we value their work andwe know that they want to get paid for that.
We have to find some campaign or whatnot andso on.
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But we were very open and transparent aboutthat because I think the artwork, I like it as
it is, but I think it's time to get to thenext level, so to speak.
Blair (29:38):
Yeah, well, the original was my crew drawing, so to speak, that was enhanced.
Martin (29:42):
Yeah. But it's been working fine, Blair.
Yes, and that again with free market.
I got it from fiverr with somebody, I think it
was in Indonesia or some other place doing it.
Blair (29:55):
Yes.
Martin (29:56):
They put their terms and settings and what you could ask for and how quick they
could do it.
And I'm totally happy with that.
Yes, I can do it myself.
But now as an ending with like AI, I am now
subscribed to service that is simple to usethis chat, DBT and Dali and this image
(30:16):
creator.
So I'm really into this now to see what I
could play around with like podcast artworkmaybe for your blog post, doing image features
image, a photo on a blog post and other thingslike that.
Because if you don't have that skill orartistic, you know, it's hard.
(30:37):
And that's in a way good because then youcould find division of liber, but it's also
good.
But we could play around with it.
Blair (30:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Martin (30:44):
So and also to as you, we talked about music, you wanted to have up more upbeat.
Yeah, we have like it very much.
I like it.
I'm really getting in the mood when I listento the bumper and jingle and hopefully the
listeners doing that also.
But we are thinking of a new song there.
And I will talk to Jim Johnson of J TunesProductions if he opt for it.
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And then I want to add him to the split also.
So every time somebody is listening with a new
podcast app streaming satoshis or sending abooster gram, he will get a split and a cut
off also.
Blair (31:18):
Yeah. Thats great.
Yes.
Martin (31:21):
So thats for now, I think.
Any ending note, Blaire?
Blair (31:26):
No. Everyone stay cool in this hot summer and enjoy the Olympics.
And hopefully we'll have a guest on our nextepisode.
Martin (31:38):
Yeah. So with that, thank you very much, Blair, and talk to you soon again, thank
you, Martin.
Blair (31:43):
Appreciate it.
Martin (31:44):
Bye bye bye.
Blair (31:52):
Satan rain.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon, or good evening, and welcome to the
secular foxhole.
Today it's Martin and I, and we're just going
to go over some things that we picked out thatwe wanted to discuss, and we'll have some
Olympic discussion and some objectivistdiscussion and a few other news items of what
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we think are of note.
Martin (00:34):
Yep.
Blair (00:34):
And how are you, Martin?
Martin (00:35):
I'm fine.
And like you could say, label of description
on ingredients is that we have two formats ofthis podcast.
The main thing that we really enjoy and likeis the guests that are adding value and
research, and then we have interview them orhaving conversation or a mix of that and so
(00:56):
on.
And we will add that also maybe extra
material, what we learn from that.
But we let the guests talk and take the stage.
When it's Blair and myself, we have so calleddo show, and then it could be some chitchat.
Hopefully we have some value and content, andwe have the thing that called new sandwich,
the idea that we got from Amy Peacock thatlike the sandwich a good thing, something in
(01:23):
the middle that is not, maybe not so good, andthen ending on good thing.
But sometimes we have only good things.
Sometimes I not a good thing and sometimes a
mix of strings.
And you have that right now.
You have digged up some news items here.
Blair (01:38):
Yes, I have.
And they're.
They're mostly good.
Martin (01:41):
Good to hear.
We need that.
Blair (01:43):
And there's some very good things.
And then mostly good.
Martin (01:46):
Yeah.
Blair (01:46):
So. But I can.
I can start those off if you like.
Martin (01:50):
Yeah, please.
Blair (01:50):
There's.
I just recently watched two great YouTube
videos, both from the Ayn Rand Institute.
The first one is called the secular moral
alternative to Dawkins and Iann Hersey Ali.
And this was about a 40 Minutes show narrated
(02:11):
by Ben Baer, who's consistently doingoutstanding work, in my personal opinion.
And he dissects, if you will, the recentdebate that Richard Dawkins and Miss Ali had.
I guess it was in New York.
And I do want to point out, Miss Ali recently
(02:33):
converted to Christianity after being anoutspoken atheist for many, perhaps over a
decade, and had a courageous stand againstIslam.
But again, she recently converted toChristianity.
And this alleged, I don't know if it was adebate more or less.
It was more or less a discussion betweenDawkins, the narrator, and mass Ali.
(02:58):
But again, Ben comes at it from an objectivistpoint of view, and it's very enlightening.
So I highly recommend that YouTube videocalled the secular moral alternative to
Dawkins and Ian Hirsi Ali, which of course,means objectivism.
(03:19):
And then the other video, this was, I think arecent certainly happened this year.
I think it was in Europe, actually.
Ankar Gate gave a speech called objectivists
wanted why we need more objectivists, and notjust philosophers, teachers, lawyers,
(03:40):
whatever, but just in general.
And it was very uplifting to me.
Objectivism, frankly, is worth people taking alook at it.
I know what I. I was basically an aimless,drifting 20 something year old when I was
(04:00):
introduced to the fountainhead.
And just.
It changed my life for the better, I'm tellingyou.
It was quite an eye opening and a greatexperience, something I really, really, really
needed to focus my life and to better my life.
And so that talk is very, very good.
(04:24):
It's just over an hour.
And that was.
So that was.
I recommend both of those YouTube videos from
the Ayn Rand Institute.
Martin (04:34):
And I have a point there.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Because we now talked about the different holy
scriptures and how you study.
You could study in a way, and you could be a
student of objectivism and Rand's philosophy.
And then it's to apply it also to your life.
Blair (04:50):
Exactly.
Martin (04:50):
And your profession and your hobbies, your passion, your interests, what not.
And because it's a. Pat ran said it's aphilosophy here on earth.
Something like that.
Right.
Blair (05:00):
For here.
For living.
Martin (05:01):
For here.
Yeah.
Blair (05:03):
For living on earth.
Martin (05:04):
So that's something to think about.
And then I came as also news, you could say
now you could have the artificial intelligenceand robots.
I know that Amy Peekov had a Twitter accountcalled Randrobot or something like that.
Yeah, Randbot.
Yeah.
And now it's built on something from DelphiAI.
(05:29):
I think we will include that in the shownotes, both Rand and also Aristotle.
And that was pretty fascinating to write.
Something I wrote.
Which book or work should I start with?Or could you start with.
And then it was in her voice.
Blair (05:48):
Pretty close to her voice, I think.
Martin (05:49):
Yeah. And what we recommended, either it was something from a lecture or it was
somewhere it's coming from.
And I thought that was really neat.
But then it said from the gecko that youshould go to the source, read Rand's work, and
listen to courses and interviews and whatnot.
(06:10):
But this is really interesting, because you
could then use AI in a positive and productiveand rational way.
So I was impressed.
And I will look into this Aristotle thing,
because if you are not a scholar or not,that's your career.
You could learn something from that also.
So, yeah, I thought that was a night.
Blair (06:32):
I really appreciated that link to the Aristotle page, because yeah, I asked it.
Martin (06:38):
And we could do also something.
I interrupt you, Blair, but what Rad has said,
has she said Thomas Aquinas?Is he.
Blair (06:46):
Aquinas? Yeah.
Martin (06:47):
Aquinas. Yeah. Is he like a full philosopher or she, she never mentioned
somebody that she say good, good enough.
But like a half or something like that.
Blair (06:56):
Right.
He was only half.
Right.
Now I put it.
Martin (06:58):
Anyway, he tried to, you know, he tried to use reason to prove God by logic, so.
Blair (07:05):
Yeah. And it's not possible.
Martin (07:08):
Yeah. Good luck with that.
But you have to then understand the historical
context.
Blair (07:13):
True, true.
But again, that half that effort back in the,
in the dark ages, if you will, at the end ofthe dark ages, laid the groundwork for the
Renaissance.
Martin (07:24):
Yep.
Blair (07:24):
And the rediscovery of Aristotle and I, again, I think we're in the death throes of
the end of the kantian age.
Now, how long that's going to take a, it may
take, it may take decades, it may take sixmonths.
Martin (07:45):
Again, it's now interrupt you again.
But it's good that you interrupt you because
there we could then invite guests that arereal expert and find value and interest and
passion and time and energy to dive into that.
Blair (07:58):
Yeah.
Martin (07:58):
That's how you and I, we probably have some.
Yeah, we know that.
Okay.
How many generations?And then you have to again, see the context
did Kant has lot, had lot of competition, soto speak.
And how did it spread like Aristotle's ideasthat again, over again, I come back to that
(08:20):
book, the Aristotle Adventure.
Blair (08:23):
Yeah. It was a wonderful book.
Yes.
Martin (08:24):
By how his ideas survived and moved forward and ended up in all kind of different
places again.
I think it's interesting.
I hope so also that can't era is over, thenthe question is what will come instead?
Blair (08:45):
Right, right.
And that's not looking too good either.
Martin (08:51):
We should try to see positive.
And I see several positive signs also.
Blair (08:56):
Absolutely.
There's no question that.
Martin (08:58):
And you had something that sort of mixed.
It was like a rock musician, right?
Blair (09:03):
Yes. Yeah. This Breitbart reported that Morrissey, in a recent concert, he accused
doctor Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates and the WorldEconomic Forum head Klaus Schwab, or Klaus
Schwab of being criminals and was tied to asong.
(09:28):
Let me see if I can find the song.
Let me see.
Where is that?Here we go.
All right, let's see.
He was singing a song called the World is full
of crashing boars.
Martin (09:41):
Yeah.
Blair (09:42):
And he had those three faces rotating on a screen behind him.
Martin (09:47):
Yeah. We will not play the song because then it's you know, it writes, but we
have the value for value there.
But in the future, musicians could get
something for that.
Blair (09:57):
True.
Martin (09:57):
But it's also interesting if this satirical thing or a parody or freedom of
expression, if that's okay.
I recently saw, like Boss Fostwin had
comments, some political commentary about, youknow, the political race now.
And these images was removed by Instagram.
Blair (10:20):
Really?
Martin (10:21):
Yeah. So something to think about.
Of course, they are private company.
They could do whatever they want in a way.
But it's interesting how this is coming.
Push to show.
Or how do you say push to show?
Blair (10:34):
Yeah.
Martin (10:35):
So it will be interesting in a way, autumn, and see what's, what's happening.
I mean, really, it's taking from like aHollywood movie.
You could say everything what's going on rightnow, right?
Yes, but it's good.
But musicians like rock and roll and others
are really coming out and saying somethinglike that also, so.
Blair (10:56):
Yeah, that's true.
But those were the three items I wanted to
highlight today.
Good.
Go ahead.
You've got some good news around, so go for
it.
Martin (11:10):
And we talked a little about that in green room.
And we will get to the content and wehopefully got to the content.
But some time ago, I searched for our ownpodcast, and I recommend that as a new media
advisor to do that.
And then I found on October, we'll see here.
(11:33):
It was 1823 and it was a review of our episode72 by Dave Jackson on a podcast rodeo show or
something like that.
I think now it's called hot seat and you pay
for the reviews.
But we didn't ask for a review.
But we thank and give hat tips to pod fans.
(11:57):
Now it's called true fans.
So Sam Seti, I think he got that input orsomething, came into his, you could say,
stream recommendation to review this.
So it was interesting and I took some notes
and we will learn from that and get to thecontent and explain in the show notes and the
(12:20):
subject line and titles what the show is allabout.
That said, it's also our show, so we couldhave chit chat and some back and forth.
Also, I will include that in show notes.
So please listen to that review and see what
you think about it.
Blair (12:40):
I will.
Of course I will.
Martin (12:41):
And also our listeners, for example, he said something about the bumper and what
you could have and also planning, and we dosome planning and we have some document to
prepare.
And also then that this is, as I said, is a
duo show.
And then we have guests.
It's more a conversation and focused on theguest.
(13:03):
So, yeah, so I thought that and thencongratulations to Dave for getting a gig here
on pod page.
And we are using that.
You bought that service?
Blair (13:18):
Yes. Page I.
Martin (13:20):
So we have that site where the secularfoxhole dot live, right?
Blair (13:26):
Yes.
Martin (13:27):
And we will do more about that.
I commented a little bit about different
badges and these new modern podcast appsbecause we will promote that more and more.
The listener decides how the listener wants tolisten, but we want to promote new modern
podcast apps so we could adding this value forvalue model into the system.
(13:49):
So I think that was that and what more?Yeah.
Do you want to hear some stats?Stats and.
Yeah.
Stats?
Blair (13:57):
What stats? Absolutely.
I like our stats.
Martin (14:00):
Yeah. And I must say we had a record month and this is also to explain to the
listeners if I value this and what we aredoing, especially with the guests.
Again, I want to onboard all our guests.
It's like 30 individuals, so they could get a
split office for the future.
But we had 300 downloads last month.
Blair (14:21):
Nice.
Martin (14:22):
And I often say we have around seven listeners per day.
So now that's more than that latest month.
And unique listeners, about 150.
So maybe every individual listened like twiceon the same episode, on other episodes or
several episodes or parts of episodes andwhatnot.
And with true fans.
(14:42):
As a side note, I had a conversation with Sam
Sativara there.
We could see lots of interesting features in
future with data and statistics and.
Yeah, so that could really be interesting for
podcasters, for listeners, for everyoneinvolved in this so called industry and
(15:03):
category of programming.
Great.
And so in total we have ten k. 10,000downloads and listeners in total since we
started.
Around 5000 individual unique listeners.
Blair (15:21):
That's great.
Martin (15:22):
Then I have the commentary.
You have to take it a bit of grain of salt
because you could do different things.
And I have a list of countries here and then I
will have a thought about that.
What did you say, Blair?
Blair (15:32):
I was going to say that's 10,000 since our inception four years ago, right?
Martin (15:37):
Yeah.
Blair (15:38):
Well, I think that's pretty good.
Martin (15:40):
I think so.
For the so called niche podcast.
Blair (15:44):
Yep, niche is correct.
Martin (15:46):
Yeah. So, but interesting with the stats also we want listeners to look at the
opportunity to have a new modern podcast app.
But also as true fans is a progressive web
app.
And there, so you could use it in your regular
web browser and on the phone and it will applyaccordingly.
So you don't have to download an app, but mostof the listeners are listening to desktop
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browser and Chrome, for example.
Blair (16:13):
Right.
Martin (16:13):
So if we could get listeners to look into true fans and you could then sign up for
free and then you could get gamification andyou could get satoshis that you could use to
us or to themselves or some other podcasters.
So to get into this system and thinking so I
see great potential here with true fans andthat's the trader principle.
(16:41):
If we get new users to true fans and listenersand guests and they will get Satoshis, then if
they want they could have this tray theprinciple and say, oh, it was worth to be as a
guest or your content or your value, yourinformation.
Yeah, but it will take some time, right?
Blair (17:03):
Yes.
Martin (17:04):
And then I'm thinking of adding something, a captivated feature called Amy.
Like I think it's standing for automaticinsertion message or something like that.
Often it's for advertising and we don't have,you know, our podcast is not suitable for ads.
We're not big like that and we don't want tohave interruption to have commercial breaks in
(17:26):
that way.
But we could have a call to action and then we
could change it over time.
So I will play around with that.
Sounds good, more clear.
And also we could have something what this
show is about and so on.
And we have to think about that now when I'm
talking to maybe update our so called trailerbecause that's long time ago now and pretty
(17:48):
long and maybe we have to do it more spiffy.
I don't know.
But still I standing for that first recording,the first trail and first episode got us
going.
Blair.
Blair (17:59):
Yes, that's a long time ago now.
Yeah.
Martin (18:01):
So with that said, the latest month here on countries is United States as usual,
like still over 50%.
But then the next one is China, 20%.
So do you think, do we have any objectivistsand some others are in China that listen to us
or could it be to Hong Kong or I, because thatI haven't seen before.
Blair (18:25):
I would assume it's Hong Kong to be honest.
Martin (18:28):
Yeah, that's great.
And that's really great that we could listen
from that.
And then the third one is other.
So I wonder if that's VPN.
And of course if you have privacy, if you
don't want to show we can't know and that weshouldn't and we don't want to an individual
listener, we can't have go by name thatsomebody.
Blair (18:49):
Well that's true.
Yeah.
Martin (18:51):
But if of course if they send a booster gram and say their name, then we'll do
a shout out to them.
So in a way that you could have this VPN and
privacy and say no other country.
But on the other hand we think it's fun to see
different countries.
So that was the third one.
So somebody out there or several have startedusing VPN or some country that maybe it's the.
(19:15):
To joke.
Maybe it's the Lieberland or seastead country.
Blair (19:20):
Oh, maybe something like that.
Martin (19:23):
To joke.
Yeah. And then Canada and then Sweden for some
reason.
United Kingdom, Portugal and the Netherlands,
Australia and Belgium.
That was.
Blair (19:35):
I like that.
I like that.
I love Australia.
I'm getting old, but one of my bucket list
dreams is to go to Australia.
Martin (19:45):
Yeah. When you could meet one of great podcasters out there, James Kridland.
And he's all over the place traveling, but hehas pod news podcast and also with Sam Setty,
they have a show there.
So Orino from Australia and you know Karen
down.
(20:05):
Yes, I remember that great review of our
podcast.
He has recently been in Brazil, and now he was
in Nashville to this bitcoin conference.
And especially this value for, value for
musicians that they did close to thisconference.
So he went there.
Yeah, Nashville.
(20:26):
And do you listen to lots of country musicthere?
Blair (20:32):
I have termed myself a chronic channel changer on the radio.
Martin (20:38):
Yeah.
Blair (20:39):
So I listen to everything.
Yeah.
But I also, I have serious radio, which I dotend to not change so much.
I have, I love eighties music.
Martin (20:51):
Yeah.
Blair (20:53):
Sixties music.
So those two decades, and then my, the
National Football League channel on Siriusradio, and then one or two others, some
others, there's a prime country and so on andso forth.
But those four or five stations are worth the$6.50 a month I pay for a serious radio.
Martin (21:13):
Okay. And where we talk about value, value for value again, in a way.
And it's interesting to see how the all timeradio, how they are doing it.
And you have this national public radio andyou have commercial stations, and it will be
interesting to follow what was going on here.
So.
Blair (21:32):
Yeah, true, true.
Martin (21:33):
And then we talked about the randbot, as I said, and we have to in the future talk
about what's happening in Venezuela and alsowhat happened recently in Iran and Lebanon.
Blair (21:47):
Aha. Yes, that's right.
Martin (21:49):
Really interesting development, so to speak.
And the Olympics.
I will only say that some Christians, I think,
mostly got upset that they had, I got upsetfor another way because it was so called a
parody of a great work of art, you know, thelast Supper.
(22:10):
But again, they could do it if they want.
But it was.
Yeah.
So it was a bit political, correct.
It was maybe not good taste, but the uproar byChristians about this, I have some issues with
also.
And overall, we should celebrate athletic, you
(22:32):
know, wins and development and.
Yeah, all things going on, the only.
Blair (22:38):
Reason I watch the Olympics is to hero worship.
Martin (22:42):
Good. Yeah, and we talked about that in the green room about table tennis, ping
pong and other.
Blair (22:51):
I'm a swimming and gymnastics freak.
Martin (22:56):
At.
Blair (22:56):
Least in the Summer Olympics.
Martin (22:58):
Yeah. So we will probably come back to that.
And now I see we have talked to a little bit,but we have some important, you could say news
and development.
And I'm really running with scissors here.
I have set up with help of an objectivist, orinterested in objectivism and rans philosophy
Tolmec in Poland.
(23:19):
So he helped me with onboarding to get my own
hub or node on Albie.
So it's hard for me to explain what really is.
But I bought by my fiat currency, bought80,000 satoshis, and that's around 500 swedish
(23:39):
crowns or $50.
And then I set up this.
They recommended to have around 250,000 inorder to have liquidity and be able to receive
and send.
Because it's like channel, it's like open bank
system, you could say, in a decentralizedfinancial way.
Blair (24:00):
Yes, that's about all.
Martin (24:02):
I am amazing and I am not the tech guy and I running with scissors, maybe I will
break things.
Of course, if I lose the satoshis, that's one
thing.
But it's interesting, if more individuals like
me, that not technical will do this over time,that will be very interesting impact.
Blair (24:23):
Yes.
Martin (24:24):
And that's again why I say that it was so great to have a real expert like Dave.
Or is it David Dave?Yeah, on the show explaining what is really
bitcoin and cryptocurrency and how you protectit and what we should stand up for and
etcetera.
So I got that.
So right now I have like 15,000 satouches inreceiving capacity.
(24:48):
And that's meaning if somebody will send us adonation of 15,000, I could receive it, but
it's more than that.
Then there will be problem in the channel.
So that's something to think.
That's why we recommended to have 250,000
satoshis.
But at this day, age or time, it's around 1500
(25:11):
swedish crowns or $150.
To get that, of course you own them and you
keep them, but then you spread this out inthese different channels.
So you could have receiving and incoming.
So now I have been spending off the 80,000 I
have been spending, and then they are going tothis receiving capacity.
So for 80,000 approximately now I have 65 ofspending.
(25:36):
So I have spent around 15,000 you know, so Iwill be able to receive 15.
Do you see what I'm saying?So it's like a channel, like a balance.
And I'm already lost in explaining it.
But that's why we should have guests on the
show.
Blair (25:54):
I'll have David try to get David back so he can teach you.
Martin (25:57):
So in order to really get this going, I have to open a new channel.
But then I have to get some satoshis in orderto do that because I don't have extra laying
around 1500 swedish crowns or $150 for this.
So I'm already out of my league.
But it was fun to test.
And you now, acquaintance and a person, an
(26:20):
individual that's interested in Rand's ideasby chance and also explaining this, what they
are doing at Albie.
It's really fascinating.
So I'm happy to be alive in this day of age.
Blair (26:33):
That's true.
I mean, regardless of all the negative
negativity.
Again, if we go to humanprogress.org, that
will boost everyone's spirits, if you will.
Martin (26:47):
And you can.
That's good.
So maybe get somebody there from.
And also roots of progress also.
Blair (26:56):
That's. Yes, Jason Crawford.
Yeah, that's become an institute now.
Yeah, that's right.
I think we mentioned that on the last show.
Martin (27:02):
Yeah. So a case in point here now.
And I now I'm babbling a bit, but we'll see
here how we are doing.
Yeah, around a half an hour.
So 221905 satoshis.
And you know what that is?
Blair (27:17):
I do, I sign Ren's birthday.
Martin (27:19):
Yeah. So that's a booster grant that I've added to the GitHub page.
The numerology page.
Blair (27:25):
Yes.
Martin (27:25):
So when I back in the now it's around 1500 swedish crowns for $150.
Some years ago when we did.
When I did this, it was around 500 swedish
crowns or $50.
So my question is, what happened with the
value of bitcoin and the so called value ofthe fiat currency?
(27:46):
So that's something to think about andintrospect and.
Yeah, maybe again have an expert on explainingwhat's going on.
Blair (27:56):
Yeah. Okay. I'll do my best to get somebody.
Martin (28:00):
Yeah. Thanks again, Tomik to help me onboarding on Albi and also to meet the new
objectivist.
Objectivist and interest in Rand's ideas and
apply it.
Really.
And so that's great.
So true.
Fans has an ending.
Sam said he's doing new features all the time
and I had a call with him and we are reallygetting close to so called top up your wallet
(28:25):
with fiat currency or any credit card.
So you could start playing around with this
and start getting into it.
So that's great because then it will be easier
for us to onboarding our guests and listenersand others.
So this will go around back and forth as atrader principle and then also adding the
(28:47):
split.
So I will do that.
So really interesting developments here.
And Sam is doing a great job.
And we talked also about that he will be afuture guest on a specific topic when it comes
to podcasting and conferences and whatnot.
And then I wanted to talk in the future that
(29:07):
we should think about getting a new podcastartwork.
And I think we should find some fine artistsout there.
What we have had on our show, and also I havehad on my show ego netkost.
But for that, because we value their work andwe know that they want to get paid for that.
We have to find some campaign or whatnot andso on.
(29:27):
But we were very open and transparent aboutthat because I think the artwork, I like it as
it is, but I think it's time to get to thenext level, so to speak.
Blair (29:38):
Yeah, well, the original was my crew drawing, so to speak, that was enhanced.
Martin (29:42):
Yeah. But it's been working fine, Blair.
Yes, and that again with free market.
I got it from fiverr with somebody, I think it
was in Indonesia or some other place doing it.
Blair (29:55):
Yes.
Martin (29:56):
They put their terms and settings and what you could ask for and how quick they
could do it.
And I'm totally happy with that.
Yes, I can do it myself.
But now as an ending with like AI, I am now
subscribed to service that is simple to usethis chat, DBT and Dali and this image
(30:16):
creator.
So I'm really into this now to see what I
could play around with like podcast artworkmaybe for your blog post, doing image features
image, a photo on a blog post and other thingslike that.
Because if you don't have that skill orartistic, you know, it's hard.
(30:37):
And that's in a way good because then youcould find division of liber, but it's also
good.
But we could play around with it.
Blair (30:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Martin (30:44):
So and also to as you, we talked about music, you wanted to have up more upbeat.
Yeah, we have like it very much.
I like it.
I'm really getting in the mood when I listento the bumper and jingle and hopefully the
listeners doing that also.
But we are thinking of a new song there.
And I will talk to Jim Johnson of J TunesProductions if he opt for it.
(31:07):
And then I want to add him to the split also.
So every time somebody is listening with a new
podcast app streaming satoshis or sending abooster gram, he will get a split and a cut
off also.
Blair (31:18):
Yeah. Thats great.
Yes.
Martin (31:21):
So thats for now, I think.
Any ending note, Blaire?
Blair (31:26):
No. Everyone stay cool in this hot summer and enjoy the Olympics.
And hopefully we'll have a guest on our nextepisode.
Martin (31:38):
Yeah. So with that, thank you very much, Blair, and talk to you soon again, thank
you, Martin.
Blair (31:43):
Appreciate it.
Martin (31:44):
Bye bye bye.
Blair (31:52):
Satan rain.
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