True Masculinity and Femininity: Poco a Poco x SEEK

What does it mean to be sons and daughters who are living true masculinity and femininity? In a world that has kind of a broken understanding of masculinity and femininity, it seems that our identities as sons and daughters of God—the idea of masculinity and femininity, have been hijacked and somehow misunderstood. This is why it's just so important to understand our hearts and reorient ourselves to what we are supposed to be doing as a man or a woman.

We are going through the different facets of what it means to have a redeemed masculinity or femininity and how that aids in the restoration of our sonship or daughtership.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Seek Podcast, where we explore faith,
inspire hope and buildcommunity.
My name is John Michael Lucidoand I'm excited to invite you to
join us this season as we diveinto topics about the faith with
people from all over theCatholic world.
Thank you for listening totoday's episode.
Know that we are praying foryou.
You're listening to the Pocopoco podcast, sponsored by

(00:25):
spirit juice studios hey, I'mfather mark mary.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hey everybody, I'm father innocent hey, I'm, father
pt whoa, he's back.
Hey, father is here.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Y'all, we are the franciscan friars at the renewal
, father innocent was attackingmy watch.
I think it's similar size.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I mean it's a little bigger than that one.
Yeah, it is just kind of nerdy.
I just was mentioning this isnot nerdy, it's big.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
This is a gift from jacques down in louisiana I just
I wasn't attacking.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
He's a very cool farmer I was just also
recognizing that you guys don'twear your watch on your wrist,
which is interesting yeah, Idon't like it it's all uh,
wristband stuff I did thecameras get them drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You guys just did the whole thing synchronized.
Wow so, father pierre,toussaint welcome back thank you
, father mark maryMary.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Where in the world have you been?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Father PT just shared one of the graces that he
prayed for, which, apparently,father Innocent has not been
praying for.
Wow, we can touch on that.
So, father PT, I think we maybetold the listeners.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Did we?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You were gone for a while because of being on a
30-day retreat.
Yes, that's cool, mm-hmm, I'mjust waiting for an invitation
here, so is that like, like what?
Do you like what?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
is that so?
Yeah, so I had the opportunityactually a blessing to go on a
30-day retreat and basically youspend 30 days with jesus.
Um, so st ignatius has thiswhole 30-day retreat that he has
different meditations that yougo through, and it was just a
gift to be able to take sometime away from the community

(02:17):
where father innocent, you askwhere was I?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
where were you sorry?

Speaker 4 (02:19):
oh okay, yeah, I was there I was in assisi, italy,
with with Father Gabriel Emanuel.
You spoiled brat.
Yes, and actually, if I couldgive a word about the retreat
itself, it's just the providenceof God, the Father, and how he
loves to spoil his children andjust be good to us, and so both
myself and Father Gabriel hadmany opportunities to be spoiled
by God and, in particular, Ithink just sitting at the feet

(02:40):
of St Francis was an awesome,awesome gift.
But yeah, it was totally a giftjust to be able to have the
opportunity and noting that Idon't know how many people in
the world get to do this, butnot that many to spend 30 days
praying with Jesus, going deeperwith him, and so I was grateful
for the gift from the community.
The brother stepped up and justheld the house down for me in
my absence, and it was just good.

(03:02):
It was a good time.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
And so now are you a graduate of spiritual direction
school.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
I have a certificate.
I lead direct the retreats nowum after coming back people sign
up nobody's asked me, nor isthis a pitch for anybody to ask
me, just to be clear.
But, um, but it's beautifulbecause like the lord's leading
me deeper into, like justdifferent places, um and so, but
I do have a certificate now.
Certified spiritual director.
Slash retreat leader, master.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Are all of you guys.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
He is.
Father Angeles is coming up onit.
I'm coming up soon.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I don't have the certificate, you don't have the
credentials.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yet why not, father cause?
You have to do the 30 daybefore you get the certificate.
When are you doing yours again?
30 day before you get.
Oh, you didn't.
When are you doing?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
yours again.
But you, bro, you're doing somuch more than a 30 day.
I don't know how he gotpermission.
He's like he's gonna be awayfor like three months.
That's not true.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Two months, it's only two really, what else are you
doing?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
just some different things.
Okay, it's a little about 10years about.
You did as well.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, I did a 30 day no, you know, but you had a
little extra time.
You had bro like a week.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
He's taking like four extra weeks.
That's not true.
Are they all the same place?
No, no, no, okay, there's alittle travel in here and there,
okay.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
And let's not forget Father Innocent you took a
sabbatical in your second yearof vows.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, nine months.
Yeah, I can't walk.
Sorry, I'm going to sit here.
I'm going to sit here all day.
A nine-month sabbatical.
You're like second year.
Well, I didn't know you weregonna go there I.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
That was kind of surprising me.
That's a whole throwback.
It's a big throwback.
That's the type of throwback.
So I'm going soon and then Iwill get my certificate as well
yeah, we all were at schooltogether.
It's great for those whohaven't listened to or haven't
heard that story yet.
And what was your second yearof Vows?
First year of Vows.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, it was my second or third year, or even third.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Oh that's right, because you're third, father
Ennis, had a surgery that didn'tgo well, and so he was
paralyzed for a few and learningto walk for about nine months.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
And you call that my sabbatical.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Your first sabbatical .
So anyway, father, crazywelcome back.
Thank you.
Thank you does so.
It was led by one of the.
There's a how old is, I mean,we don't know.
There's a woman named trudywho's kind of a retreat leader,
master yeah I think who's guidedgone with a lot of our guys.
Do you move with her?
Is it like 20, 30 minutes a day?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
yeah, so sorry, you asked about the structure and I
talked about the structure, butbasically it's a, it's a phone
call.
Every day you pray for aboutfour to five hours.
Um, she gives you scripturesand she gives a little teaching
on the spiritual life anddiscernment, and so, yeah, and I
don't think she specificallystuck to like, once again,
ignatius has a program.
She didn't stick to that.

(05:40):
She was kind of justbeautifully led by the spirit
and let's pray here and let'spray there, and so that's cool.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, can we talk about the one thing that I?

Speaker 4 (05:49):
you referenced yeah, yeah yeah, and so, uh, this was
so I give it more context thiswas the garden of, because you
just go through like differentscripture passages, and so I
think I was praying with, oh so,adam and eve in the garden.
They took the fruit ofknowledge and went over.
In the conversation we're justtalking about how, yeah, they

(06:09):
wanted to know more than theyneeded to know and that was part
of the sin of just likecuriosity and just like that's
not their lane to be in and shegoes.
You know, father, that's animportant grace to pray for.
Pray, pray for the gracious dayin your lane.
Thank you noted and I will andso what?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I want?
To just publicly thank you foryou.
You just asked me for to prayfor that grace as well.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
This morning when I try to take control of your life
, get involved in your life,exactly, and so I've used that
with the brothers now hey, brobro, just pray for the greats
right for the greatest, whichmeans stay out of my life.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I don't care where lane you're in, and just stay
out of my lane but it was goodand it's been good so the people
, the people of god, have missedyou I've missed them too.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
It's actually strange .
It's strange, but I was like Imiss.
I miss being here, being withyou guys, and so I didn't think
I'd miss as much as I did.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's gonna be back what being here, being amongst
you, okay brothers, I was gonnasay another brothers we um.
This is a.
This is a celebration of thegenius of father pierre tucson,
not not over to the top we wereat, we had local servants
meetings.
We're not going to talk.
We'll talk about that morelater.
But when all the guys who are incharge of friaries, all

(07:23):
together with general counsel,some formators for a little bit,
and uh, we had like week ofmeetings and a couple
psychologists and kennel lawyergives talks.
But at one point that one ofthe psychologists she took a
picture of the whole group,shared it with her friends and
they were like oh, is that youknow they recognized me and
father pt from the divine mercychaplet, and so it's there with

(07:43):
all the guys and they're.
You know it's like she brings itup and so you know the guys
start doing what guys do in thatsituation make fun of you guys
yeah, yeah, and so I do what Ido, which is like, oh you know,
play it off like no, whatever.
But then, father, because shewanted, oh, they want us to sign
something, yeah, but father, ptis much cooler and smoother.
It's like to the rest of thebrothers you're like, y'all sign

(08:03):
stuff for you too, like that'sthe way to play it off but that
was the right way to do it.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I didn't get as much of a reaction, like just people
had looked at me.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think they thought I was serious what was funny is
that you started signing my,like I, like you took my.
I was sitting next to you, tookmy piece of paper and
autographed it.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Like here you go, such an idiot so you gotta step
into those things sometimes.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I took notes or I'm taking notes, please.
I appreciate that.
I'll sign stuff for you.
I'll sign stuff for you too.
Be cool and funny, not whateverI am okay, nerdy, apparently
because of your big watch.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, somebody called you that jock, don't, don't
take it personally don't take itpersonally, but if he wore this
watch on watch on his wrist, itwould be nerdy.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
This is like so big bro, this is a worker's like
bigger than your face.
This is a watch, oh can youhold up next to your face just
for the hair set.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
This is a man's watch , oh seriously see, this is what
I miss, just good oldbrotherhood, some people listen,
you don't miss this, this isthe type of watch that the men
are gonna get after they gothrough the knights of columbus,
I see what you did there.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, I mean, we're not quite okay, we'll transition
.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
There's another one one other thing you said that's
really funny is something washappening and people were moving
fast.
It might have been me again.
You're like yo yo, where's thefire?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
that was funny, I guess.
Anyway, I just that gets me.
Does that not bother you?
I mean, you guys actually move,all you guys are move, quick
movers yeah but just whenthere's like no reason to to run
through the friary or just tolike quicken your step, like
what are we?
What are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
let me just everybody just relax, just relax.
That's right, because that getsme anxious and I feel like I'm
missing something and somebody'srunning to something I should
be at take it, take a deepbreath, bro, you're good where's
the fire?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I know but the problem is, I'm always the one
who needs that.
But I'll say it to myself stayin your lane.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
And where's the fire?

Speaker 3 (09:56):
hopefully it's burning in your how was that
staying in your lane?

Speaker 4 (10:01):
I just reached, reached over and poked Father
Mark Mariner's chest.
Hopefully that's what firesright there.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm going to need a moment to recover All right, so
we are going to get into theepisode here.
I'm going to try and keep us to, if you will, one and a half
calls to action per episode atthe most.
Do you guys know what that is?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
No A little CTA.
Called action.
Yeah, there's actually calledaction at the end of every
section in the book.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Hey, relax all right, we're not on to that yet.
The first one is this is not apaid advertisement.
This is just something Ibelieve in.
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Speaker 2 (10:47):
You won't be there.
No, I will not.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
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It's not just for studentsanymore, they're opening it up
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I think they opened it upbefore, but now it's a little
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Speaker 2 (11:23):
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Speaker 2 (11:26):
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Yeah, you got a problem withthat.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I was just trying to look at that in my head and like
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Speaker 2 (11:31):
Do you have some in the future?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Nope Great Cross that out Okay.
So, uh, today we are on daythree, episode three, not day
three episode three of the ourlady of guadalupe consecration.
That is kind of followingfather innocent.
Father angelo says so in theenglish one, it's just your
guys's names on the book, andthen the spanish one is just
follow agostino well, it's yeah,so it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
The, the spanish book , is actually translation, and
father agostino kind of kind ofadded some of his own stuff,
right, so it's all three of uson the Spanish.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
And then just you two on the English, just us on the
English.
Yeah, got it.
And so, if you, it is for guys,the episodes we're doing are
not just for guys.
What's it called when it's forguys and girls?
Coed, that's not the word.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I mean unisex Something like that.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Unisex, something like that universal, I think
unisex um, but um also co-edworks like your guys's watches
unisex um wow, wow.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
So anyway we are on week.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
so this episode three , which is going through week
three, and if you want to getthe devotional you can go to
kofcorg, forward slash sons orforward slash Poco Yep.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Great, kick us off, all right guys.
So yeah, just Father.
Thank you for that smallintroduction.
I was just going to kind ofagain just make clear again, um
for for father, particularlybecause thank you, I'm just
kidding, he wasn't here, butI'll appreciate it to, just to
our listeners who are walkingwith us and praying with us.

(13:12):
We're just super grateful toinvite you on a journey of 40
days we're kind of a coupleweeks in now, but uh, just to to
consecrate our hearts to ourlady, guadalupe, and um, this,
this invitation came, it's kindof been welling up in our own
hearts but just to, um, as kindof a second installment of Born
of Fire, right, and uh, we justwent so quick through the

(13:34):
journey of Born of Fire and uh,and so we had just or at least
me personally had always had adesire just to go deeper in
sonship.
Like, how do how does Jesuswant to restore our sonship?
And so the beautiful idea ofjust kind of preparing or
letting our lady restore oursonship on this journey, as we
prepare to consecrate our heartsare related by Lupe and again,

(13:56):
the journey every day is kind ofour.
We have our companions alongthe way.
We have Jesus, mary and St JuanDiego, and so you have these
kind of yeah, every day we'regetting some Mary and St Juan
Diego, and so you have thesekind of yeah, every day we're
getting some, yeah, justinvitations from them to go
deeper in our sonship, right,and so the first, uh, the first
week was just kind of a generalrestoration of sonship, kind of
some themes just to help godeeper in restoration.

(14:19):
Uh, last week we talked aboutthe restoration of our prayer,
right, and again, which is goingto be at the center and the
core of of, obviously,restoration, but even the story
of our lady of guadalupe it'sjust so important that she comes
to restore prayer.
She comes to restore our unionwith god, right, and juan diego
is an incredible example of that, where she invites juan diego

(14:39):
to build a chapel where her sonand eucharist can dwell and her
tilma will dwell, and there'sjust a profound sense of the
dwelling place of God, right, sothat's how we restore our
prayer and, brothers, simply,like this week, the title of
this week is called theRestoration of Our Masculinity
and, for the sake of our femalelisteners, the restoration of

(15:01):
masculinity and femininity,right, we can't like, it's just
so important to understand that,as sons and daughters, we have
to understand our hearts, right,there's not like an abstract
restoration, right, like, oh,what does it mean to be a son
and a daughter of the father?
This week we just really wantto focus on what does it mean to
be a son and a daughter who arejust connected to what it means

(15:25):
to to to live masculinity andfemininity, right, um, I'm not
gonna we're not gonna pretend tolike dive, take a deep dive
into femininity.
We'll talk a little bit aboutit.
That's why I kind of I wish youknow the sisters of life have a
lot of great resources on that,so, um, but, but what does it
mean, brothers, to to to live,to live as sons from deeply,

(15:49):
like to deeply from from ourmasculine hearts, right In a
world that has that has kind ofa broken understanding of
masculinity, has this, um, again, we've it's been hijacked on
what does it mean to not only bea son, but what it means to be
a man?
The identity crisis is kind of afuller picture, right, it's

(16:10):
like, yes, we don't know who weare, sons of the Father, but,
father, I wrote this sectionbecause we feel like we don't
know what it means to be a man.
Right, again, it's beenhijacked that, instead of living
from our masculine hearts afterthe heart of Jesus, it's been
hijacked that what it means tobe a man is to like kind of this

(16:30):
misunderstood power andstrength, or this misunderstood
drive for success, or againpower and even in lust and like
all these different things wherewe misunderstand what it means
to to have a heart after theheart of Jesus, and and again we
, we abuse our masculinity.
And so what we wanted to dotoday is just to kind of go

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through different differentfacets of what it means to have
a redeemed masculinity andfemininity and how that
participates, or kind of age, inthe restoration of our, of our
sonship.
Father Angelus, do you haveanything to add to that?
Just, I'm just going to givethe secret that you actually
wrote this section in the book.
So you know, one of the thingsthat I would love your guys'
thoughts about it, like the.

(17:20):
I think the challenge is that,um, yeah, like, there's a lot of
formation for young men todayin the church of like, okay, how
do we grow in masculinity?
How do we, how do we, uh, healour, our brokenness when it
comes to our masculinity,sexuality, things like that, and
so I love the conversationaround that, and so it's.
It was a, it was a gift to tryto help those who will be
reading the book to like,consider.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
And I think it might be.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Um, is this, is this unique?
I think we just talked aboutsome different things, which I
think is interesting.
Um might not not be, in othercircles or conversations, the
same thing, so I think that'sinteresting.
I think it's important to knowthat.
I think we're going torecognize throughout what we've
been trying to do is like justto learn from Jesus Right and so

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when we gaze upon Jesus and heand we say I said in the first
paragraph here, like he was aman, because he's looking at his
father and his father isrevealing the gift of what it
means to be father, what itmeans to be masculine as well,
so Jesus' own experience of thatis quite powerful and I guess
the yeah, so that I think that'simportant, that that's rooted

(18:22):
in the Lord.
It's not like abstract culturalideals of manhood and
masculinity, but it's like, wow,like Jesus was, was, was the
man, but he, he, he's the one wewant to learn from Right, Um
and I.
And I think maybe just to startus off as well, like when you,
when you think about thechallenge that we all work with,
with young guys, and if theykind of bring their brokenness

(18:44):
or their struggles with you,like there there's some common,
common like um experiences ofwhat, what maybe dads were like
um, and.
And no, dads are perfect, right, and we all have different
challenges and experiences.
But, like, I think, to start usoff, like when you, when you
were in the presence of Jesus,um, um, like what was it like to

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experience his presence, likehe was there?
And I think when often youngmen like there's a refrain for
young men, it's like yeah, my,yeah, so what was your
experience like of your dad?
Like yeah, he just wasn'taround, like huh, or like he, he
wasn't emotionally present, orhe just, and again, sometimes
it's like, yeah, he worked a lot, and's a great, that's a great

(19:26):
value.
Obviously, dad's supportingtheir families and working a lot
Right, which is really reallygood.
But I'm just struck, I thinkinitially, about like the gift
of manhood, the gift of the giftof masculinity, is just like
Jesus was there, he was present,he was attentive and and, um, I

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just can't think of like wecan't over under underestimate
that um, that that his his giftof, of of being present.
So I just kind of throw thatout there to begin with and I
and I think, uh, our reflectionskind of begin there when, when
dads aren't around anymore andwhen men, um aren't around
anymore, they're not present,they're not committed, um, they
have a hard time being involved.

(20:09):
They have a hard time beinginvolved.
They have a hard time seeingwhat they need to see in their
kids and their wives and yeah,just to be able to begin there.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, I'm going to bounce pastyou guys in a second, but I want
to just reiterate his pointthat you know we did Born to
Fire, right, and I think wetalked a lot about like external
characteristics of masculinity,like doing hard things for the

(20:29):
sake of the Lord, strength andcourage, and again in a real
presence of like a masculine,like a masculine presence, right
.
But I like what Father Angelussaid, that we're really trying
to ask Jesus what the internalexperience of masculinity is,
like a masculine heart, andthat's going to restore us to
live our sonship.
So I really appreciate yousaying that, because we're going
to talk about characteristics,you're going to be like, well,

(20:51):
there's so much more tomasculinity.
Yeah, we know that.
But what is the masculine heartlike?
Not necessarily how you live itout, like kind of, like the
world says, like in concretevirtue, because that's all true
for sure.
But I think what we're tryingto get out is, how does Jesus
want to restore our hearts?
And usually like it's a posture, through the posture of sonship

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, as a man after the heart ofJesus and again, jesus learns
that from his own father andfrom his own experience.
So do you guys have any generalthoughts before I kind of zoom
into like kind of giving somedefinitions and taking us
through some other things?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I do have some thoughts it's bringing to mind,
and I think this is you know,for have some thoughts.
What, what's it's bringing tomind?
and I think this is you know,for our listeners who've been
with us for a while, they theyknow we usually talk in the.
Here's my experience and soobviously all of us are gonna be
talking from our experiencewith our own, with like
masculinity.
But I do think some of thequestions can be, can work in
for men and women.
Um, because I was just as youguys are talking and reflecting

(21:47):
on it is just kind of lookingback at my own life growing up
and that there was this realexperience of being concerned
about what was masculine, whatwas manly, and that was a very
big part in decisions I made andthings I did and didn't do.
It was like is this what I do,and a lot is, is this what?

(22:11):
What like?
My last name is ames is like,this was when ames does, but is
this what like a guy does aswell?
And it is interesting just toreflect on all these different
factors that were that I wastaking in, that I was trying to
like respond to and that I wastrying to like create, if you
will, uh, like sort of an imageand and I think right, we
there's, I think that's actuallyhow it works, I think we are

(22:32):
probably educated in it,informed in it and that's one of
the reasons that you know, ourexperience with our dads and
masculine figures and and ourrelationship with christ is so
important.
Right, it's because this iswhere we see, modeled like, the
fullness and the authenticity ofit and so I and I.
I think that's very much true,for for probably all of us as we
grow up, and for women as well,as they just reflect on their

(22:53):
experience with their mother,with their maybe their sisters,
with their friends, with whatthey're taking in, it's like
okay, what's like, almost like,what's like what am I supposed
to be doing, what's expected ofme?
And then that wrestling with it, either of pursuing it or, if
it doesn't seem to fit, maybelike like I could push you away
from it and yeah, so I just it'sinteresting and I think one of
the things that before I likelet father pt speak if he wants

(23:18):
to, is, um, no pressure, it's asafe place is what's?
What's what is uniquely a gift,I think, of you guys, and we
see it right because you guysare both in formation of men.
You guys are both, um, thepeople who come to you are often
like guys who, who need somesort of fathering and some sort
of care.
Is it's just like what a giftand unique experience it is for

(23:39):
you guys to grow up as tripletsbut as like two, you know, as
brothers, and have theexperience of both sort of like
the sports world and all thatsort of stuff, but also you guys
are just really able to.
There's a lot of us grow upwith an insecurity about sharing
, about like what's going oninteriorly.
It's a non like manly thing andor like a number thing and it's

(24:00):
just really.
Yeah, I think it's really likeyou guys have a facility and a
freedom in the interior spacewhere I think I'm still like
overcoming some of the, theformation I received of like
what is and what does not thingsguys do or how they relate, etc
thanks for my great thank you,I do.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
I do have something to say.
Great, thank you, welcome.
Uh, I think the beautiful thingabout all this is that, yeah, as
men and as people in general,right, we have the experiences
that we have, meaning ourearthly fathers, or the ways in
which we experience fatherhoodor didn't experience fatherhood,
and so, specifically, as a man,and even as a woman too, that

(24:40):
just informs your, your life ina particular way.
I think it's just beautiful totake a step back and just to
look once again at yeah, butwhat does jesus say about, or
how does he want to?
Yeah, to create maybe a newimage of sonship in my own heart
, in my own life, and to healmaybe some of those things that
I fall into as far as wounds orpast things, and so, which, once

(25:02):
again, naturally for me, Istopped, like at my father or
different father figures that Ihad in my life and, yeah, it's
just a good reminder thatthere's more, right, the Lord
desires more for us and hedoesn't desire for us to be
stuck in this, uh, truncated orthis shortened version of
manhood or femininity that we'regoing to look at and and the
beautiful thing it's, it's aswe'll talk about too it's

(25:25):
through our lady where it's justthrough her yeah, her yes, and
just her fidelity, that we'reable to experience this and so,
um so, yeah, it's just a giftand she's a gift and, yeah,
we'll speak more about that.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
But awesome if all angels you did write this
section and, um, I just thinkit's.
It's really powerful because,again, the unique take of how
we're trying to talk about therestoration of the heart instead
of just like actions and so youtake us through I mean, you
wrote this definition ofmasculinity that kind of like
jumps us off here.
Would you just want to saysomething about that real quick?
And then, yeah, I and I and Ithink to the to, we all said it

(25:57):
in some way but, like, I thinkthere's a competition right For
who our eyes are on.
When it comes to who I want tobe like people in the world that
that um inspire us or thatyou're like we model, we become
role models for us in that,which is really, really
beautiful.
But I think the challenge, andI think that the provocation or

(26:18):
um is an invitation to considerthat like, who do I look at and
who do I want to be like?
And if we, if we really want togrow into the young men and
women God young men or old menand women um, that God calls us

(26:39):
to be, like we, it's, it's it'svery important to consider like
to, to make sure that we're,we're looking at the Lord, and
so when we look at Jesus, um,the, the way we define in this
journey, the way we definemasculinity, is Jesus was
available, attuned and fullyoffered in sacrificial love.
And so there's this sense ofavailability, attunement, which
is it could be a new word forpeople and then also fully
offered in sacrificial love, andso the availability goes back
to this like the gift ofmasculinity and femininity.

(27:01):
I think is just the gift ofpresence.
Right, when we look upon Jesusand he's living the fullness of
his life, fullness of his, ofhis masculinity, interiorly, in,
in, exteriorly, um, there'sjust this gift of um being
available, being present.
Um, it's kind of like we howoften we talked about the show
like, uh, jesus's gaze upon eachperson he encounters.

(27:21):
Right, he's not, it's talkingabout, like, being running
around the friary, right,there's something about the, the
, the presence of jesus thatallows him to see and and to be,
to be available to the personright in front of him.
Um, and so we were talking theother day, uh, the, the young
guys going on, jesus run, I'mlike, yeah, but jesus never ran,
you know, like some guys,people talk jesus walk, you know

(27:44):
, but like jesus, like, um, whatdo you?
What do you mean by that?
Yeah, people don't know whatjesus runs are, what do you?
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
yeah, people don't know what jesus runs are well,
and also, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
jesus didn't run yeah , but the the reality of.
Uh, we were joking because I Ihad given a homily recently that
jesus passed by.
The custom post saw matthew asjesus kind of passes by, passes
by.
He's not like running aroundfrom town to town, but jesus has
the space adult.
Jesus wasn't running aroundyeah, adult, adult, jesus, yeah,
yeah, yeah, young.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Jesus might have ran to play.
Of course he did, sorry.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
But he didn't run to the airport or anything like
that.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
But the reality of Jesus being present and
available and not overlookingthings because he was in a hurry
to get his mission done.
I like that Right.
And so we have Jesus runs wherewe go on the street and that's
what we call them, and but wewere after I gave the homily.
We're like do we need to changethat name?
You know?
but uh, this is the gift ofbeing jesus, being available so

(28:36):
I just wonder, like in our own,when you read the gospel next,
just like consider that, whatwas jesus's presence like?
And this is coming forth fromhis masculine heart, his, his
heart, that that is is, isreally rooted in, present and
available to what's right infront of them, and I think
that's just a powerful thing.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, and so uh , all 30 day now, here we go.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Here we go bro.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Uh, trudy also mentioned that, and it's
beautiful because I mean, Ifound it to be true Like the
more attuned we are to God, theeasier it is to be attuned to
the person in front of us, right, because we experience then no
longer is this person in frontof me the distraction that I got
to get out of the way so I cando the next thing.
But God's always looking at meand as he's looking at me, I'm
able to look at this person inlove and it becomes a sacrament,

(29:20):
a moment of encounter with God,which I think is how Jesus
experienced also the Father'slove where he's constantly being
looked at.
He, where he's constantly beinglooked at, he's constantly has
access to his heart, and so thethings that he does are never.
I gotta get this done so Icould get to the next best thing
.
It's always the father'slooking at me and I could just
look and love this person.
I think about any, any passagewhere the woman caught in

(29:40):
adultery like where are youraccusers?
And he's just looking at her,the hemorrhaging woman.
he looks down at her and saysdaughter, you know, like it's
amidst the crowd of people, it'salways the person before him,
which is a sacrament and theopportunity because once again
in his sonship, receiving itfrom the father, he's able to
experience that the father isalways, he always hears me you
know and and just reflecting onthe like, when he's lost in the

(30:01):
temple right, because heexperiences, I think, from
joseph and mary too, but whenhe's left in by himself, like
what actually happens in hisheart oh, my father's still
looking at me, even though myparents aren't here, you know
which, once again, couldhopefully be restored for us in
times of abandonment you know,of my gosh, like my father
wasn't here, but the father haslooked at you in love in that

(30:22):
particular place, to the pointwhere Mary and Joseph come back
and they said we're like, whathave you been been doing?
I was in my father's house, youknow, like just like once again
that security of being known andloved specifically by the
father, because the father'savailable to him, but he's even
more available, jesus is, tothose around him because of just
being built up in that way.
So let me.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Just I wanted to know your thoughts because we use
the word two minute.
We've been using that word moreoften and attunement is
basically connection so I'mavailable, but then I have this
ability to connect and be ableto see your heart and to receive
your heart.
And so I'm um, I'm just curious, because it's super important
and when we, when we wereworking with these young guys,
is that like they feel likesomeone's not only present to me

(31:02):
, but like, wow, he like seeingme, he's understanding me, he's,
he's being present to me in avery unique way in my heart.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
And so just I wanted to get a shot on that.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'm going to jump off of father PT's.
uh, you, you talked about thehemorrhaging woman and I was
just thinking about the sinfulone woman women actually because
there's a lot of women thatcome in context to to break the
alabaster jar, but also thewoman caught in adultery.
Now it's interesting, I justlove, I love talking about
masculinity in that context,because a woman basically, you
know, throws herself at the feetof Jesus and and and and ask

(31:32):
for forgiveness or have thisencounter at mercy, and she's
been hurt by men.
And I when we would say, likemen that aren't true, men, right
that that that have been takenover by lust, right?
And so I just wonder, I justwonder I think it's a beautiful
meditation I wonder what themasculine heart of Jesus was
like for her.
I just wonder.
I think it's a beautifulmeditation.
I wonder what the masculineheart of Jesus was like for her.
And we've been talking aboutavailability.

(31:54):
It's like a masculine presence.
She felt safe in his presenceand I think that's the
restoration Jesus wants, torestore masculinity, so we can
live in this fullness andavailability where I have like a
masculine presence that's safeand strong.
So it's just beautiful.
Like you said, these, these thehemorrhaging woman, and there's

(32:14):
something about they wereattracted to his presence, um,
and I think that's kind of we'rejust hinting at something that
it's not it's.
It's availability, yes, butavailability, like father angela
said, that's like a presence,um, that is just unique and that
um, that that like Jesus had insuch a profound way, and that
presence turns into attunement.
And so you call that connection, right?

(32:35):
So it's not just someone's likeJesus is like there and like
his bodily or his physicalpresence, but there's something
about a connection of the heart.
And the reason why we put thisin here is because I think
there's a misunderstanding aboutthe masculine heart, that it's
not that's afraid of emotion,that it's afraid to feel or when
, that when Jesus is deeplymoved, right, he's moved to the

(32:56):
depths, like we're like what isthat?
Right?
But because sometimes men areafraid to feel their emotions,
but attunement draws Jesus'sattunement draws, draws us to,
to his heart, that he's actuallyliving from this place, that
he's not afraid of his heart,he's not afraid of what he's
feeling, he's not afraid ofsuffering, he's not afraid to
give himself in love andsacrifice, which is the next

(33:18):
thing.
But Jesus is a man of the heart, so he's present, but also he's
attuned and this allows him tobe fully connected, right?
So instead of running away fromemotions or running away from
feeling jesus is, let's allowhimself to fully feel and that
and therefore like be connectedto the person in front of him
who's suffering, or to beconnected with someone in love

(33:39):
and joy.
Um, so, father, like fatherangeles you mentioned, like I
think this is so importantbecause a lot of people, a lot
of um sons and daughters, wejust don't have this experience,
or we don't typically.
Well, I just don't wanna make ablanket statement.
We struggle to have thisexperience where someone's fully
attuned to us, and so maybe ourown mothers and fathers, where

(34:01):
we're like man or some sort ofmasculine figure.
We're like, yes, there's somany gifts, but sometimes we
feel disconnected and Jesuswants to come restore that part
of our, restore that part of ourrelationship, especially with
with our own selves or withother people, that we don't have
to be afraid of our hearts.
And, um, this is what we try toteach the young guys is that, um

(34:21):
, we have to.
We have to first not be afraidof our hearts.
We have to, like, settle intoour hearts and realize that
there's so much happening thatJesus wants to restore, because
it's it's this, um, it's therestoration that that allows us
to live in fullness ofrelationship, where we don't
have to be afraid of love.
We don't have to be afraid ofour weakness.
We don't have to be afraid, um,of how we experience our

(34:42):
emotions, because this is kindof that, um, this is kind of
what Jesus comes to restore, um.
So, yeah, I, yeah, I just thinkattunement is so important
because it's the connectionjesus shows us.
This might be a new word forpeople, so I just wanted to
appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna drive it in a particular direction if
okay, just uh, just also to,just I know we've mentioned this
before, but this is tough, youknow.
I mean, like, um, I don't thinkthe expectation is that you read
this consecration and you'reable to get it.
It takes work, and especiallyjust to note, like cultural

(35:17):
backgrounds and culturaldifferences where, um, I'm just
thinking like, in particular,for haitian men, or I'm sure the
same thing is for latino menlike machismo is a big thing,
where the guy's not supposed tobe emotional, the guy's not,
he's supposed to have his stufftogether, go to work, provide
and be the backbone of thefamily, and so, just like,
you're gonna be fighting a lotof things as a guy, even a girl
too, man or woman, just um, likethe cultural norms and stuff

(35:39):
like that.
But just know, once again, Ithink the lord desires more for
you.
You know like he doesn't wantyou just to oh well, that's your
lot in life, you're born intothis or whatever it is.
You know, um, but just to, toknow it's tough, but he's with
you, and that he desires this,this change for you to, to be
more attuned in this way.
So what.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
What's coming to mind here is just like that reminder
and that truth, right like whatit looks like, um, perfectly
integrated um we're gonna findin jesus and mary, for men and
women.
And so, as we're kind of asking, like what is this supposed to
look like?
What am I supposed to look like?
If you will, that's wherethat's, that's that's where we
look, and as we, we kind ofkicked off the episode.

(36:20):
You were talking about some ofthe kind of the false
expressions or the.
It's not that there's there.
It's, there's something to it,that's true, but then it's like
an exaggeration of it, of likemasculinity, of like what.
What kind of came to mind islike there's something about us
that wants to be like aconqueror to have the power to

(36:42):
assert authority, and this isthis is also some of like with,
with promiscuity, some of thisstuff, even with that control
yeah, some of like the therethere is.
There is something about likethe desire to be a conqueror
that I think is like in us.
That can be, if you will,disordered or properly ordered
and, to be honest, I think, likewith um, I don't think it's

(37:05):
just a masculine thing.
I think there's there's agrowing movement within women
with some of this as well.
It's like there's like a littlebit of like this, an expression
of I want, you know, like Iwant to achieve, I want to do it
, I want to conquer, I want toum, whatever the thing is um and
and so I I like and where.
Why I'm kind of bringing it upis I think that there again, I

(37:26):
think that there is somethingholy and actually good about
like if you were wanting to bevictorious, wanting to be strong
, wanting to be a victor, butagain, like it's going to look
like it looked like Jesus isgoing to look like it looked
like like Jesus is a conqueringking.
We know we celebrate Christ theKing, he conquered death, he
conquered sin, all this sort ofstuff.
Like king, he conquered death,he conquered sin, all the sorts.

(37:48):
Like it's a real thing.
Our lady as well, I think youknow, if you will, is is you
know?
She's a queen, she's conquering, she's a victorious queen, our
lady of victories, etc.
But we want to like look attheir lives, like, okay, how
this desire have, how do Iproperly order it like?
What does it actually look like?

Speaker 2 (38:01):
yeah, I love that father mark mary, as far as,
like holding jesus and marytogether and the full expression
of giving your life totally toconquer and and I just or to be
victorious in your, in your lifeand your mission.
I I think what's beautiful isthat Jesus is King most most
perfectly, as he, as he giveshis life and conquers on the
cross.
And that, and the thirdcharacteristic characteristic of

(38:23):
what we were saying, likemasculine hearts is sacrificial
love.
The man who gives himselftotally and completely and Jesus
does that right he constantlykeeps giving himself and pouring
himself out, and it's going tobe on the cross, when his
masculine heart is on display,that this man who was available
and attuned to all of us and heoffered himself perfectly back

(38:45):
to the father, um, and insacrificial love, like he, he,
he gives him the fullness of hislife for the ones he loves and
for his bride Right, and so,again, it's in sacrificial love
and our lady's going to do thesame thing.
And I just want to note, justcause I did the research, um,
the sisters of life tell us umthat for the feminine, for the
feminine, feminine, feminine,feminine heart um that for the

(39:08):
feminine, for the femininefeminine, feminine, feminine
heart.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Say it again I'm tired for the feminine heart, um
they talk about receptivity,sensitivity, generosity and
maternity, right, so I think,jump on the second.
Uses that and more willre-taught these.
Yeah, he thought to him.
Whatever, yeah, yeah, I wasblaming all the words, but I
mean I.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
So I just want to, I just want to hold out the fact
that, like you talk about thefeminine heart, we might use
different characteristics, sothat's just to know.
We hold that in reverence, butour lady is the one who's going
to show us that perfectly.
So our lady is going to be thequeen and she's going to be the
perfect woman who's going toshow us how to do that, the
perfect woman who's going toshow us how to do that.

(39:44):
But also, as we, as we arenoting in this journey, as
through the consecration, it'sjust beautiful to know that as
Mary, as mother, wants to helpus live our masculinity and
femininity.
So you're going to notice inthe book that these, these kind
of sections are not.
We're not going to talk abouthow Mary lived it.
We're going to talk about howMary was mother, helping Jesus
live his masculinity.
And so that's just also to knowthat, brothers and sisters, we

(40:08):
don't have to like figure thisout by ourself.
Our lady is actually given tous so she can support us in
living this identity, livingespecially to live in the gift
of our masculine hearts andinner feminine hearts.
So I just wanna say that, andagain, she wants to walk

(40:29):
alongside of you, um and again.
That's that's the whole point.
Why father Anson and I reflecton that?
Because we need help, like wewe are, we live in a really
confused world and um, and soour lady just wants to come and
help us do that.
So, just in that context Iwanted to mention, and just a

(40:51):
quick um, just to say it in adifferent way I think that, like
when you talk about Jesus beingavailable and present and
attuned and connected, justusing different words the fruit
of that is this offering andsacrificial love, and the fruit
of that is really a choice hemakes in his masculine heart for
those he loves, and so I lovethe idea that, like when we can
live in this way, in ourmasculine heart or feminine
heart, we make choices for otherpeople and those choices, like

(41:13):
become places that really are aresponse to all the other
choices that are usually madeagainst us in life.
So when you talk about feelingabandoned, you talk about
feeling rejected, you talk aboutbeing forgotten, are you
talking about a lot of thethings that we all can
experience in our own lives when, when we have people who are,
who truly live their identitiesas sons and daughters of God,

(41:33):
but truly, like, lean in to thegift of their masculine heart,
feminine hearts.
They're making choices forother people and I just I love
that, because when people make achoice for me, that does
something to me.
There's this gift of healingthat happens.
There's this gift of of, uh, ofrediscovering that I'm worthy
and rediscovering that I'm goodand rediscovering that I'm

(41:54):
lovable, and and that's how weexperience redemption, and
that's how we experience, like,a restoration.
I'm restored when someonechooses me because the father
chooses me, right, and so whenJesus comes to refill that for
us, and then our lady helps youto do that, but she helps us and
she chooses us, um, there'sjust just beautiful gift of like
, uh, this, this, something thatthat opens up in my heart to
know that like, oh, wow, in mylife, where I've experienced the

(42:16):
complete opposite of thosethings, jesus, in living the
fullness of who he is, remindsme that when I live like that
and when I live from mymasculine heart and the gift of
my sonship, um, I can heal otherpeople and I can restore other
people, which is just superpowerful.
And, and the gift of our lady,uh, st Juan Diego, is this, is
what our lady did for him.
And you, you have this poor man, this this kind of like humble

(42:38):
man, and he, he was just abeautiful example of like he
didn't really um, yeah, itdidn't have like the, the, the
traditional machismo kind oflike not at all.
It was like so poor so poor andlittle and kind of insignificant
um, but when our lady comes tohim, just, you see the choices

(42:58):
that she made for him, you seethe way he, she, loved him, and
then what happened is it gavehim strength and courage to be
faithful and to be who he wascalled to be.
So, like whoa, when these kindsof uh, the feminine genius is
present, the masculine genius ispresent, where people see me
and are attuned to me and makechoices for me, uh, juan diego
steps up into his vocation,stepped up into what he was
called to do.
Um, it has an effect, it'sfruitful, right.

(43:20):
And then, and then, he can thenlive what he's called to live,
um in, in in his own way, youknow so yeah, and I think the
attunement, the availability,the Entunement, uh leaked, not
leaks, but leads intosacrificial love.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
And I think it's just a real concrete choice to not
run right, to be present and tostay present, because I think,
like you're talking about family, there's good things, like to
be present, but I thinksometimes in the world we just
learn like, oh, this is too muchand I'm just going to take the
easy way out.
And Jesus never did that,whether it be the person in
front of him, but, once again,because he experienced just the

(43:58):
Father's always with me to theend.
So he could say the same thingfor his church for us, I will be
with you always.
Church for us, I will be withyou, always.
Right, and so, yeah, and so,just maybe in that place where
we do have a desire to run fromwhat's hard or run from the
person in front of us or thething that is present, maybe we
can invite the Lord therespecifically just to, to be with

(44:20):
us, as he's always with us, butmore so just to to help us be
directionally focused towardsthe father.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Can.
I share a last thing do I haveyour permission, I'm like I do,
I like this whole conqueringthing and um, but and I, because
what we're trying to holdintention and I think we're
doing it and I think, hopefully,I think people who know us and
how we live kind of get it islike there is a, there is a
healthy grit and there's ahealthy, you know, like cal's

(44:57):
tansness to our masculinity,like there's in that and we see
that in jesus right, like jesus,you know, was a laborer and he
worked and he did hard thingsand he fasted and he went in the
desert, where it's cold and allthis sort of stuff, right, like
you know, he maybe didn't,couldn't bench to 25, but, like
you know, he could do hardthings and maybe he wasn't

(45:17):
taking ice baths but he was, youknow, in the desert in the cold
, like but but it's, or like it.
So and I, I use those littlethings because there is, there's
like a movement and if you seeit, if you look like there's
this move it towards conqueringlike, and in some spaces, in
like men's spaces, there's likeI conquer myself, I wake up at a
certain time.
I take a nice bath, I lift, I, Ifast, I do this stuff like um,

(45:39):
and I think, right, like we arecalled to be conquered, but it's
conquering sons, right, and sothere's, there is that, there's
the thing like I'm going to besomeone who is victorious, who
conquers, but it's like I'mgoing to do it on my own and
it's a little bit of like theprodigal son, like give it to me
, I'm going to go do it on myown, that's great, but I think
like the, the victory and theconquering we see in christ.
Yeah, it includes those hardthings, but it's in this
relationship and it stillremains as a son and an heir and

(46:02):
um yeah and it's ultimatelyexpressed in the conquering, if
you will, of his own will, oflaying down my own will so that
I can lay down my life forothers, right, and that's then,
that's the end, and this isgoing to.
This is going to be superrandom again, but I think it
makes sense.
I was thinking about it at thelocal servants things.
There's a thing on joy and ifyou guys remember I don't know
if you were all there- there's athrowback to the whole joke

(46:28):
about, like me, not having awrinkly forehead because,
because I have botox of theheart.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I don't feel emotions that strongly.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm working on it, at least expressively, and a
number of guys made jokes in themidst of the joy, uh talks
which confirmed that it is areality, uh, but it just kind of
got me thinking, particularlylike I think one of these like I
don't I don't know if it's likeconquering aging or it's
something probably different,but like with women, there is
this.
There's this crazy movement oflike you know, this whole, like

(46:54):
I don't like this whole botoxthing.
Like when you're like 20, 20,so like you never get wrinkles,
and just thinking about likewhat, if we like saw wrinkles as
like this is somebody who haslived life and felt deeply right
, they have, they've expressedthemselves so much with entering
into people's sadness orexperiencing people's joy that

(47:15):
like they've, they've lived lifeso deeply that it's, it's left
is like this, it's it'sexpressed now externally with
this kind of this change oftheir of their face, that
they've kind of grown and likewith the mother's or father's
heart as well, and just likewith this whole reference to our
lady as the, the paradigm issort of the, the mark or the
model of femininity, like 100,like our lady, I really think.

(47:39):
You know she had a very wrinklyface you know what I mean and so
many of the images, they're allsort of like like, uh, airbrush
, it's all sort of very clean,but like our lady would have
been the one who felt who, wholived all this the receptivity,
sensitivity, generosity,maternity, like so deeply, she
would have again and again andagain made people's joys her joy

(48:00):
, made people sorrow, her sorrow.
And this is going to beexpressed like externally, and
so I think we just want againlike make that movement, to like
to just, yeah, really lookingat our lady and and allowing us
her to show us, like, whatauthentic beauty is, what, what,
what a healthy approach to sortof aging and all that sort of
stuff.
I think it's just, it is superimportant god I'm just

Speaker 2 (48:22):
gonna end this.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Okay, I'm gonna say something about mom.
Um.
So I just had this experiencethe other day.
I'm sitting in the chapel andso on the side of Our Lady of
the Angels there's a huge imageof Our Lady of Guadalupe.
I don't know how big she isfour stories, she's huge and
we're currently having arestoration.
I saw that.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
See that right there Restoration.
I definitely saw that.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
And so I'm sitting in the chapel before holy hour and
I hear somebody outside.
She's so beautiful because, it'sin the middle of her being
repainted and so, anyway, if youcan, if you know the image of
our lady guadalupe, it's the,the corona around, like so the
sun is painted, and that hermantle is painted too, and he
was just the artist was juststarting on her face and so

(49:07):
she's still a lot of it's onunfinished.
But, um, I just thought tomyself, she's always beautiful
and she was always beautiful,and I think a beautiful thing is
that like, especially for women, um, just sometimes in life,
because the reason she needed tobe restored was because she was
sun beaten and weathered overtime, and sometimes that can

(49:28):
happen in life, with its likeonce again, as we're talking
about, like through wounds, andyou just feel like, oh my gosh,
like I'm beaten up.
And I think, in a beautiful waythe father does this
restoration work of justpainting us anew and using
colors that were already present, but drawing them out in a
deeper way, in a more beautifulway, that were already present,
but drawing them out in a deeperway, in a more beautiful way.
And I think, once again, if welive, or if ladies live,

(49:51):
femininity in a beautiful way,specifically in the heart of Our
Lady, which is encased in theheart of her son towards the
father.
People can see this, this beautythat's present because she's
receptive, and this image of OurLady of Guadalupe is receptive
to the paint, you know, is amother to people in the
neighborhood, beautifully, andpeople walking by, even amidst
the painting, um, I just hearthem say don't mess her up, you

(50:13):
know.
Or, um, like, I see this oneguy who lives in apartment
building across, like he'sconstantly, like making the
sound across as a candle by hiswindow, and so she's a mother
and, once again, this is allgift that she freely gives.
And so just to offer that as animage, especially for,
specifically, the femininegenius, but just to know that
that's a part of the son's heartfor you, but more than that,

(50:37):
just that you are beautiful andthe father just wants to restore
this image in a way that iseven better than you can imagine
and I've dreamt, you know, sobeautiful brother.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
So, like the, I just want to keep it before everybody
that the whole point of thisjourney is to the father.
In in Jesus and our lady wantto want to restore our hearts as
sons and daughters.
Like, the restoration is forour sonship and being being sons
and daughters, and a part ofthis is the restoration of our
masculinity and femininity.
And so I just appreciate, like,just what does it mean to have
a masculine heart and a feminineheart and to live from that and

(51:08):
to not be afraid of our heartsthere, right?
And so I'm just grateful thatwe could have the.
It's in that context that we'redriving towards restoration of
being sons and daughters of thefather, because it's the, it's
the identity at our, at ourdeepest, at our deepest core.
Um, we didn't really know howthis, these episodes, there's so
many things to talk about.
So I appreciate it.
We, we, we.
We made time just in thiscontext, but, but just invite

(51:31):
people to notice the differentother different ways that that
we go through.
In the consecration that we.
We talk about magnanimity andgenerosity, we talk about
chastity and we talk about the,the difficulties of, of the, the
attacks against our masculinityand femininity of, like, pride
and control and lust, um, butthe whole point is that we can
be to live in the freedom andpeace of the sons and sons and

(51:52):
daughters of the father Right.
So you're just going to noticethat journey as we go through Um
.
So obviously, in in in theseepisodes we can't talk about
everything in full Um, I do wantto just invite people again, um
, if you're, you know, if you'regetting on the train here,
we're, we're, we're a couple ofweeks in um, but it is going to
be a 40 day consecration, sojust, you're very welcome, just

(52:13):
kind of jump in Um.
If you want to again, if youwant to, uh, go to the website.
It's K K of Corg forward slashPoco and that's going to have
like all these episodes and haveways that you can get other
things.
But if you would like to go tothe Knights of Columbus website
in this context, it's kfcorgforward slash sons and there is

(52:36):
weekly videos available fromFather Angelus and I.
There is the bilingual version,so there's a Spanish version
with Father Agostino and Omarand Luis from the Knights of
Columbus.
So that's awesome.
And then also you can order ahard copy of the book, still
that they're available at kfcorgforward, slash sons and you can
get all that there.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
That's a very strong CTA, like a pro.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I just wanted to be very clear, like a pro.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Wow, the student has become the master.
Anyway, I feel like Yoda sayssomething.
Is that all for us today?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Can I give a shout?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
out?
Yeah, do we want to do it afterthe prayer, like we normally do
?

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Oh, I thought that was all like you were like done.
Sorry, we usually pray.
We will pray, won't you pray,father, in the name of the
Father and the Son and the HolySpirit, amen.
Heavenly Father, we thank youand praise you for the gift of
our lives to be your sons anddaughters.
We hold before you our hearts.
We just ask for restoration inour masculinity and femininity,

(53:40):
that we could be fully open andjust receive the grace,
everything that Jesus wants togive us this day to restore our
hearts.
We just pray for that grace ofreceptivity.
We ask this all through Christ,our Lord.
Amen.
Now I can give my-.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Now you can give your-.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I just want to say hey to my friends Pat and Kenna.
They work at the Martin'sCenter for Integration, which is
cool.
I was just with them last monthwhen I was in minnesota.
It was on their podcast.
They have a podcast called thewhole life, um, and it it's
beautiful.
They have a.
It's a center for healing andcounseling and different things
there.
So just awesome.
They're beautiful couple, theyhave a beautiful family, they
listen to the podcast every weekand we just had a lot of joy

(54:24):
and fun talking about healingand growth and so anyway, anyway
, just grateful to them andthank you.
They sent us all for one ofthese thermoses, so you can take
yours as well, thank you.
I want to shout out in encounterBoston.
Yes, one of the portions askedus to shout.
Hayden wanted us to shout out.
Encounter Boston, all hisfriends there.
Thanks for listening.

(54:44):
God bless you guys.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
He said something about mousetraps.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Oh, he said something about mousetraps that I didn't
quite get.
Oh, Father Mark Perry saidsomething about mousetraps.
We were walking up the stairs.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
I have an image.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Mousetraps.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Oh hey, thank you to our friend Kathy.
Kathy listens to the podcast.
She went to Greece and shebrought us back some fun stuff
and a mug, or a couple of mugswe got over there, and a bag for
Dolores oh gosh it's awesome,she said.
I don't know how you say thatMiokinos would be a great place
for the cruise someone talkedabout the cruise to me recently

(55:20):
as well.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I'll just throw that out there the cruise that will
never cruise.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
And yeah, we hope to see you at Seek If you want to
go to Seekfocusorg, if theydon't change it because of
Father Angeles' unimpressed face, anything, alana.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Shout out to Alana.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Hi, sweet, all right, see you, peace, peace.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
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