Dr. Elliot Justin: 56,000 Erections Analyzed and What The World's Largest Erectile Database Reveals About Men's Health | #136 - The Sex Reimagined Podcast

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Leah (00:05):
Hey there.
Welcome to the Sex Reimaginedpodcast.
I'm Leah Piper.
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Willow Brown.
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further and wider.
Today we have Dr.
Elliot Justin, who is the CEOand founder of Firm Tech, the
first sex tech company dedicatedto improving men's erectile

(00:35):
fitness.
He's got a background inemergency med medicine and
healthcare technology, and hehas created one of the world's
coolest coch rings that you haveever seen.
So you are gonna wanna watchthis video on YouTube if you
can.
Um, if you don't have a chanceto watch it maybe you're driving
or walking while listening.

(00:56):
At some point maybe go over toYouTube and check out how he
puts this cock ring on, becauseyou kind of have to see it to
get it.
And it's um, it's, it's a reallycool, it's a game changer.
Yeah.
It really is.

Leah (01:10):
Yeah.
So if you care about erectilehealth and wellbeing, please
tune in, turn on, and fall inlove with Dr.
Elliott.

Announcer (01:20):
Welcome to the Sex Reimagined Podcast, where sex is
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Let's get into the show.

Leah (01:29):
Welcome to the show.
We're so glad to have you.

Willow (01:32):
Yeah, so excited to drop in with you today, Dr.
Elliot Justin about all kinds ofsex tech.
You've been, you've been adoctor, a medical doctor for a
long time, I imagine, and havebeen through many different
iterations of what it means tobe a medical doctor.
I'm just curious how you landedhere in this sex tech industry.

Elliot (01:56):
Well, I, I asked myself that question every couple of
days, because I, this, whatwe're doing should have been
done a long time ago.
Uh, and, and my wife, uh, hejust met a moment ago would say
that, well, it needed a, a, botha sex obsessed doctor, someone
that knew about sensors andmedical technology, uh, in order
to, to pull us together.
So, three years ago, a professorof urology at the university of

(02:18):
Utah, Dr.
James O'Tally challenged me withcoming up with a way of counting
the number of nocturnalerections that men have.
And I said, uh, what the fuckfor?
Why do we care?
We all know about mourning wood,but we laugh about it.
But why do we care aboutnocturnal erections?
He said, well, they're a leadingindicator of a man's
cardiovascular health.
And that kind of took me abackbecause leading indicator in
medicine is powerful.
In medicine, we treatassociations.

(02:40):
High blood pressure isassociated with heart attack and
stroke.
Elevated lip proteins associatedwith cardiovascular disease.
But they're not predictive.
And if you're, if your bloodpressure goes from one 30 to one
50, it's an association,similarly the same thing if your
lip proteins go up, but if aman's, a man's cardiac number,
number nocturnal erections goesdown significantly, that man has
a 50 percent chance of having aheart attack in the next two

(03:02):
years.
So when he told me that andshowed me some of the data for
that, I was taken back becausethis would be like a sixth vital
sign.
Uh, it would be a vital sign forevery guy's most vital organ,
uh, and it'd be a lot moremotivating for men's.
to know about the nocturnals interms of improving their health,
their lifestyle, you know, etcetera, to have that data.
But this doctor, like moststraight doctors, is what I call

(03:26):
a cock ring virgin.

Leah (03:28):
Oh, why?

Elliot (03:29):
So I'm not a cock ring virgin.
I'm unfortunately married tosomeone who's into sex toys.
And by the way, if anyone'sconsidering getting married, I
think that should be yourcriteria, male or female, if
you're gonna marry someone.
I mean, don't marry someonewho's not into s*x toys.
Uh,

Willow (03:43):
tip.
Good tip, everyone.

Elliot (03:46):
the doctor says, the problem with cock rings is these
hard silicone, you know, Orings, you know, These kind of
things.
Uh, and they pinch.
They're uncomfortable.
And men who have compromisedcirculation from diabetes or
hypertension, unfortunately, toomany people do today.
Or men who are obese.
I mean, I can look down, I cansee my penis.
I'm not going to stand up rightnow.

(04:07):
I'm wearing pants.
But if most men my age, I'm 70.
One, they look down, you know,younger men, they look down and
they see belly.
So you just putting these ringson can be, can be, can be

Willow (04:17):
Hard to even get to it.
Yeah.

Elliot (04:19):
So

Leah (04:19):
can I make a guess about how many nocturnal erections the
average healthy man has?

Willow (04:26):
That's a great.

Leah (04:28):
gonna guess 10 or 11.

Elliot (04:31):
Well, you're way off by the way.
How

Willow (04:33):
five or six.

Elliot (04:35):
you're a little bit off by the way.
How many nocturnal erections didyou guys have last night?
Leah, how many have last night?

Leah (04:40):
God, I hope I had 25.

Willow (04:43):
I have at least 40.
Now we're in a pissing contest,Leah.

Elliot (04:47):
Well, you're, you're soon going to know because we
are coming out with the firstmonitor of clitoral health Q4
this year.

Willow (04:55):
Oh, wow.
So you wear that all night?

Elliot (04:58):
You, you, yes, of course.
How much are you going to tell?

Leah (05:01):
else are you gonna count?

Willow (05:02):
doesn't look comfortable to wear all

Elliot (05:03):
Oh, well, it's been worn overnight by 12 women.
Not this particular one.
Very model.
By 12, and, and without, withoutany discomfort.
It's also used, used by paper,presented paper at the
International Society for SexualMedicine.
There were 20 plus women thatpaper used it while, while
masturbating.
And also, yeah,

Leah (05:21):
I'll, I'll volunteer.

Elliot (05:23):
I'll keep you in mind.
Can we come out with theadvanced prototype?
But anyway, getting back to men,um, well, previously the data
came from a device called theRIDGE Scan.
Uh, and this, which has fallenout of favor because it looks
like something Dr.
Frankenstein would put on yourdick.
It has kind of these electrodesthat go to a box, and you have
to go to a sleep lab in order towear it.
You've got to kind of lie therelike this, and you can't roll

(05:44):
over.
Uh, and, and they were

Willow (05:46):
probably not going to have good sleep or good
nocturnal wood anyway.

Elliot (05:50):
So there, and there was total data, I believe, was about
350 men.
Well, we've now documented withour device, 56, 000, 56, 000
erections.
We have the largest databasedatabase in the world.
And there's so much to learnfrom mining that data.
And we've already learnedseveral things.

Leah (06:09):
But wait, how, what is, what is the answer?
What's the average healthy

Elliot (06:13):
Oh, sorry.
It's, it's three plus

Willow (06:16):
Three.

Leah (06:17):
plus.
That's it.

Elliot (06:18):
So young, young men, like a 20 year old, they might
have four plus or five and, butit, but here's, here's what guys
don't understand.
And there's a big biohackernamed Brian Johnson, who just
doesn't get it.
Um, and he talks about it cause,cause he has, he has, he's
thinking about this older data.
So it's rigid scan databasically suggested, much more
smaller number of men, but asmen get older, the number of

(06:40):
nocturnal erections goes down.
So therefore he claims, and someother men, biohackers clinic,
the same claim to that, Hey, ifI got four or five nocturnal
erections, I got the same penisas a 25 year old.
Well, that's not true becausethe, um, one, what defines an
aging penis is actually thechange in the refractory period,
the time between, betweenclimaxes two, our data, this

(07:02):
large, enormous data set showsthat the Uh, say around 30 has
about has four, but it goes downreally slightly.
So the, even the average, myage, seventy year, old who's,
who's in good health has threeplus.
So this is really interesting.
So, uh, and I'm really kind ofchuffed about it because it's,

(07:22):
it's, it's a discovery.
So as the thought was, theincidence of E.D goes up in men
10 percent per decade after age40.
So the thought was that as menalso age, and the incidence of
hypertension, atherosclerosis,diabetes, obesity, they get
worse, that the number ofnocturnal erections would go
down.
It was also thought that thehardness of erections as men got

(07:45):
older would go down.

Leah (07:47):
Right.

Elliot (07:48):
We're not seeing that.
We're seeing that the rate ofnocturnal erections stays pretty
much like this.
Three plus,

Leah (07:55):
Okay.

Elliot (07:56):
cat, until some other event, some bad event occurs.
A man is on the verge of havinga heart attack, his hypertension
is out of control, his diabeteshas deteriorated.
Something, uh, or, or worse,because we doctors fuck up men
and women with these things.
We prescribe cock and clitkilling medications,
antihypertensives, SRA anddepressants.
Without thinking about thesexual impact.
So until what some of thosethings occur, this stays

(08:18):
relatively constant.
And now we know that also thehardness goes, goes pretty
constant to the sixties and thenstarts to deteriorate slightly,
just slightly.
so if you're going to claim thatbecause I'm 71 years old, I have
four nocturnal erections, and myerections are rock hard, that I,
I don't have an aging penis.
Well, that's wrong.
Every man has an aging penis.

(08:38):
Every man suffers from fadingerections.
So, here's that delta.
In medicine, we talk about, youknow, the difference between two
lines.
Erectile dysfunction, and I'drather call it erectile
disappointments.
Because there's, because thereare two types of erectile
dysfunctions, if you will, I'llget to that in a second, but as
that number goes up and men stayjust as hard, what's, what's

(08:59):
going on?
Why are men losing theirconfidence?
So that's, I believe the issueis loss of confidence playing
along with venous leak.
So we doctors, we go where thefarmer leads us.
so much in the body is actuallysimple when you think about it.
We got a pump, the heart, we gotarteries come out of the heart,

(09:21):
in this case, go to the penis,and then we have blood that
returns to the heart throughthe, through the venous system.
The focus has been, is the heartpumping enough blood?
Does a man have ED because ofcardiovascular disease?
We can treat that.
And then there are the pipes,um, is enough blood coming
through the pipes?
So the PD 5 medications, Viagra,Cialis, they dilate the artery

(09:44):
is going to the penis, so moreblood goes into the penis,

Willow (09:47):
But what if the pump isn't working?

Elliot (09:49):
but what if there's a leak on the venous side?
So every, every erection,clitoral, penile, every erection
ends in blood leaving the penisor the clitoris.
Women have an event, women have,

Willow (10:00):
the heart

Elliot (10:02):
we're always, we look at the vascular system.
So, and, and, and the two, so,this guy might, the man might be
losing his erection because He'spissed off at his partner, or
he's drunk, or he's, uh, or he'staking medications that are a
problem, or one of the kids wakeup, or, um, whatever.
There's, you know, there's somany factors, but there's a,

(10:23):
there's one end point, which isblood leaves a penis, and in
effect, a good cock ring keepsthe blood there.
So, erectile dysfunction, a guyhas ED.
Is it a really dysfunction,which I think is more medical in
cause, or is it disappointment,which has has a confidence issue
involved?
So

Leah (10:42):
Yeah.
I like that because it'sacknowledging that there's an
emotional piece to thisequation, um, that I think for a
lot of men, um, they think thequick fix might be medication,
but medication may not alwayswork when it's an emotional
disruption.

Elliot (10:59):
well, let's talk about the meds for a moment,

Willow (11:00):
a vein, venous leak.
Not veinous, venous.
Mm

Elliot (11:04):
Or fading erection.
So a man who can't attainerection, those guys are, those
guys are in trouble.
If a man can't attain erection,he likely has a significant
cardiovascular.
Or medical issue that man needsto see an urologist and
cardiologist get a workup.
But that's not the majority ofmen who have ed, majority of men
have ed get an erection and theylose it.
So how do we help those men?

(11:26):
We put a ring on it and it'sgotta be a comfortable ring.
'cause these, these rings suck.
They, they, they block off thearterial flow into the penis.
You have to have a full erectionin order for it to, to work
well.
So, and our rings don't, theywere just designed to, you know,
for, for different purpose.

Willow (11:39):
Now will the ring work if there's a venous leak?

Elliot (11:42):
Yeah.
Because they, they keep itthere.
Right.
So, in order to come up with,this Dr.
O'Tally said, Hey, do you wantto count the number of nocturnal
erections?
My focus was on, okay, well,let's, let's count nocturnals.
How long they last, how hardthey are, because they're an
indicator of cardiovascularhealth and medication side
effects.
But in order to do that, we haveto solve the cock ring problem.

Leah (12:03):
Okay.
Lay it on us.
How do we solve the

Willow (12:07):
There's so many cock rings on the market these

Elliot (12:10):
not, there are a lot of

Willow (12:11):
you guys stepped in and started doing this, was there
already?
I mean, when did you start this?
What was going

Elliot (12:16):
started, I started, uh, we hard launched, so to speak,
two years ago at the consumerelectronics show.
And there's nothing like ourproduct yet, but there'll be,
there'll be competitors.
Women have vibrators, andthey've, they've revolutionized
sexual health for women.
Why, why don't women get venous

Leah (12:32):
All the vibrators?

Elliot (12:34):
Because the vibrators, in addition to producing
pleasure, the stimulation of thevibrators sustains blood flow.
The arteries stay open, so bloodkeeps on going, to the clit*ris
Uh, and that's obviously aprofound benefit.

Leah (12:44):
Is that why we're seeing so many of these new cock rings
that are designed to bringpleasure to the vulva?
Because they're, they're widernow, so they're fitting against
the vulva, including with thepenis, and then it's got
vibration through it.

Elliot (12:57):
Well, that's because couples are struggling,
struggling with penetrative sex.
And, uh, the, um, and we haveone called, we call, here's
ours.
We, we'll launch it this month.
We call it the Ring Mate.
Uh, and this slides and all onand off all of our cock rings.
It kind of sits there.
And the vibra, the vibration isactually where the clitoris is,
which is 3.5 centimeters away,and it's covered with a soft

(13:20):
elastomer, so it's not cocovered with, with, with, with
hard silicone.
So it's more, more comfortable.
Uh.
And actually, the first time Iused it, my wife, her complaint
was, I came too quickly, butlet's do it again.
Well, that's a good complaint tohave.

Leah (13:35):
Now, I was taking a look at your website, and I was
noticing the design, and itlooks like what's unique about
your design, and correct me ifI'm wrong, is that it clips on.
Instead of having to struggleputting this circle on, this
rubber band on, basically, yoursclips in, correct?

Elliot (13:51):
yeah, it was, it's an interesting

Willow (13:53):
I want, can you, I want to see the cock ring.
Can you show us that and

Elliot (13:57):
here's the cock ring and we make it in with tech and non
tech.
The non tech was specificallydesigned to enhance a man's
pleasure and this is validatedby research.
The non tech ring, actually allthe rings, both these rings are,
it's an independent studyproject coming out in A few
months by a doctor in AmyPerlman in Miami shows our ring

(14:17):
is equivalent to 10 milligrams.
So Alice, the most commonlyprescribed reptile.

Willow (14:22):
Wow.
That's amazing.

Leah (14:23):
you show how it

Willow (14:24):
Yeah.
I know you have a dildo there.
Let's

Elliot (14:27):
I do have a dildo.

Willow (14:28):
Let's let's

Elliot (14:29):
this is me.

Willow (14:31):
That was you last night four and a half times

Elliot (14:35):
so, uh, you know, I, I have some overweight friends
here in Montana, uh, who arewealthy and date women who are
much younger than them.
And therefore they have, theyhave their tense about their
performance and they, they'recomplaining about it.
These kind of rings is that ifthey've had two shots of

(14:55):
bourbon, a couple puffs of pot,uh, and they're also diabetic,
uh, and they're worried aboutlosing their erection because
with these rings, they have tohave an erection because it's
going to cut off

Willow (15:04):
get it on.

Elliot (15:05):
By the time they get over their belly and put the
thing on.
Anyway, so our rings go ondifferently.
A man drops his balls in

Leah (15:13):
Okay.
So for the audience who might belistening instead of watching,
um, he is just put a loop aroundthe testicles and then clips it
in above the shaft.
You guys got to see this onYouTube.
It's brilliant.

Willow (15:28):
of

Elliot (15:28):
there, there, there it is in the slide.
So what do you think the originstory might be, ladies, uh, for
the clip?

Leah (15:38):
Oh, what's the origin story?
What's the origin story of the,of the

Elliot (15:42):
why do we, why do we do this

Willow (15:44):
Oh, why do you make it that way?

Elliot (15:46):
what, what inspired that?

Willow (15:47):
probably because

Leah (15:49):
of like a hair clip.

Willow (15:50):
get

Elliot (15:50):
you're, you're, you're both wearing a garment right now

Willow (15:54):
earrings.

Elliot (15:56):
closes with a

Leah (15:56):
Bra.

Elliot (15:57):
The bra, the bra.
So I, I was, you know, I wouldsay probably half, maybe more of
the heterosexual sex in acommitted relationship occurs
when a guy is scratching hiswife's back when she takes her
bra off at night, especiallyduring the summer, because the
back panel of the bra is madeout of silicone, and silicone is
an irritating material.
It's one of the reasons why wemake arts out of elastomer,
because silicone adapts, makesyou adapt to it.

(16:19):
Elastomers are softer, theymake, they adapt to you more,
more commonly.
So I was scratching my wife'sback.
If this doctor would challengeme to come up with a way of, you
know, counting nocturnalerections.
And I was scratching my wife'sback, and I saw two things.
One on her desk was a stressball.
I said, oh fuck, why don't wemake cock rings out of
elastomer?

(16:40):
Out of something softer so it'smore comfortable.
And then I looked on the floorand I saw her bra.
I said, duh, a bra is a ringthat opens and closes with a
hook.
Women don't put on bras overtheir head.
Why don't we make a cock ringthat opens and closes with a
hook?

Leah (16:55):
I love

Willow (16:56):
much easier to put on.
Now how does the attachmentattach?

Elliot (17:00):
But the other reason for this, I'm sorry, the attachment,
you mean the data?

Willow (17:04):
The attachment part that, that vibrated

Elliot (17:07):
Oh, uh, that, that, yeah, that, that sits here.

Leah (17:10):
the Volvo, uh,

Willow (17:12):
clips, it just adjusts right on, oh, I see you put it
through the

Elliot (17:16):
the loops go through, right, you got it, yeah.
But, let me just digress for asecond.
people who are, the testers whouse this device ended up using
it this way because I also wantto address the wrist fatigue
problem.
You ladies are young, but olderwomen complain that with a
larger vibrating dildo or a wandthat they get wrist fatigue

(17:37):
because holding it, especiallyif they want to come more than
once, holding it in thisposition produces risk fatigue.

Leah (17:43):
Yeah, those, those can be heavy.
You're right,

Elliot (17:46):
Yeah, and my wife kind of had, yeah, my wife had me
demonstrate that hard becauseshe had Pelican masturbate me
with a wand like, oh, my God,I'm 70 years old.
I'm like, this is annoying, youknow.
So I wanted something that couldthere are remote control
vibrators out there, but I wantsomething that was that could be
controlled with, with, with thefingers.
So this is actually, um,

Leah (18:07):
So it's designed in two ways.
One is to fit on the cock ringor the fingers.

Elliot (18:11):
Correct.
So it's if you use thepenetrative sex, but in our test
group, uh, couple, these areheterosexual couples, in our
test group, um, about half thetime it was being taken off and
used either, being either usedby the man if he's having, if
you're having sex from behind toreach around, because again, as,
as a man, manipulating clitorisfrom behind is It's fatiguing.

(18:36):
I mean, you know, in the moviesor in porn, people come right
away, but that's not the way itis in reality.
And this

Leah (18:42):
the way it is in reality.

Elliot (18:44):
So this, so, so this makes, as Anne says, my wife
does, it makes you into aSuperman because, or this can
be, oh,

Willow (18:55):
looks really comfortable.

Elliot (18:57):
Oh, it's really,

Willow (18:57):
like, super soft.
I mean, compared to a lot of thetoys that we get

Elliot (19:01):
handed off.
It's like, it's like a, it'slike a tongue.
My wife designed it.
She's, she's

Willow (19:05):
Oh,

Elliot (19:06):
And I'm proud of it for doing it too.
Yeah.

Willow (19:08):
Bravo,

Leah (19:08):
have like a tongue like inspiration to it.
Very

Willow (19:11):
Yeah.

Elliot (19:13):
And then also, of course, if she's on top and
doesn't want to have it on thering, she can then take it off
and can, you know, use this, orI can't, or she's on, I can, you
know, use with a finger.
So, uh, you know, I got intothis for the data.
And to help give men data abouttheir sexual health.

Willow (19:28):
I'm sure that's the only reason you got into it.
All that data.

Elliot (19:34):
I

Willow (19:34):
All those graphs, all those cardiovascular cases out
there.

Leah (19:40):
Okay, so I'm still not sure that I understand the, am I
saying it wrong, the venoussyndrome?

Willow (19:45):
Venus leak.
I was saying it wrong.

Elliot (19:48):
so

Leah (19:49):
okay, so, okay, so let me just, let me just, Do a recap.

Elliot (19:55):
yes.

Leah (19:56):
All right, we have part of erectile dysfunction or erectile
disappointment has to do withcardiovascular health.
Part of it has to do with likeconfidence and cortisol levels
being high and stress anddisruptions and bad sleep and
like lifestyle issues.

Elliot (20:13):
Mm-hmm

Leah (20:14):
Um, and then the other part has to do with this venous
syndrome.

Elliot (20:20):
And the venous syndrome, which I'll explain that in.
I'm gonna illustrate you forjust one second.
It plays onto the confidenceissue.
My wife and I have sex, or I allhave sex alone, or we have sex
together pretty much every day.
Uh, and, and I certainly believethat an orgasm a day keeps the
doctor away.
The, uh, but I,

Willow (20:36):
We believe that too.

Elliot (20:38):
I'll illustrate this for you.
Look, both of you are attractiveladies.
Uh, and if I were, if you guyswere 14 years old and I was 14
years old and I held her hand, Iwould have probably have an
erection for about an hour.
And then I get blue ballsafterwards.
That doesn't happen at my age.
And I desire my wife andfrankly, all the women as well,
too.
I don't get, I don't getspontaneous erections anymore.

(20:59):
Why is that?

Leah (21:00):
Right.

Elliot (21:01):
Well, it's multifactorial.
Part of it, obviously, isgetting the freshness.
Things are no longer fresh.
But frankly, all men reportthis.
By the early 20s, it just startsto fade away.
And men's, so why is that?
Well, blood is leaving thepenis.
Why is blood leaving the penis?
Well, something's going on.
I'll illustrate it this way.
If I sat in a plane, or even youladies sat in a plane, for

(21:24):
several hours, your socks mightget a little bit tight and your
rings might get a little bittight.
Why?
Because it doesn't happen whenyou're 15 or 25 years old.
Why is that?
Because as we get older, men andwomen, and women are actually
more susceptible to this becausetheir veins are a little bit
more fragile than men, uh, thesmooth muscle around our small
veins that are called ourvenules, those smooth muscles

(21:45):
get weaker with age.
And the little veins as well,these venules, get stiffer, uh,
with age as well too.
And that means, in your ankles,or your fingers, that means that
a little bit of blood, fluid,serum, leaks out from your blood
vessels into the tissue aroundthem, because it's not being
pumped back to the heart the wayit is when these muscles are

(22:06):
strong.
And the penis, this means theblood gets to the penis faster.
So, any man, any man, or womanwho wants to test on a man, can
assess it this way and prove itright away.
Get a guy, rock hard.
And then, no stimulation, seehow long it takes for your
erection to go down.
It's probably going to be about25 35 seconds, depending upon
your health or how turned on youare.

(22:27):
Now, get rock hard and put aring on it.
Our ring, of course, is the bestone because ours is comfortable.
But anybody can get any cockring, even these cheap things
we'll demonstrate.
Get a hard on, put a ring on it,and let's see how long it takes
your erection to

Leah (22:40):
come down.
Okay.
We have some lab work to do.
I'm excited.
I love lab work.

Elliot (22:44):
And it should be, two plus minutes.
with our ring, um, the averageman's with a ring on, after
climax stays hard for almostfour minutes.
It could easily be over fiveminutes.
In the young guys it could beseven or eight minutes.
this is a simple solution formost men's erectile dysfunction.
Now, why do my wife and I likethe ring so much?
Hey, technically I don't haveED.
I have sex, I have sex almostevery day.

(23:04):
I'm fortunate.
I have fading erections.
So, so the, the cock ring makesme more confident and it also
helps.
And I hear about this from someof our customers and some of my
patients.
They tried everything.
Red light therapy, shockwavetherapy, you know, guys will do
anything to make their dickharder.
Testosterone therapy.
Uh, and nothing works.
Then you ask them, say like a55, 56 year old man.

(23:27):
When do you, when you're youngguys, when do you, when do you
lose your erection?
I lose it during penetrativesex.
Oh, that's interesting.
So why do you think you'relosing it?
Well, I'm not getting enoughfriction.
Yeah, well, let's see, your wifehas had five children.
My wife here, she doesn't wantto talk about this.
She's had three kids.
She's 70 years old.
I don't get it.
There are certain sex positionsthat she likes.
One, I don't get friction, andtwo, they bore me because we've

(23:50):
done them a thousand times.
But the cockering on totallychanged it.
With the cockering on, I'm notgoing to lose my erection.
She knows I'm not going to losemy erection.
And you, you know if you'veslept with men.
A guy who's confident about hisdick is in a very different
mindset.
That guy was worried aboutlosing his erection.
Because a guy who's worriedabout losing his erection, is
probably going to lose hiserection.
Uh, and, and then, and then youhave to deal with all the mood

(24:13):
changes and irritability thatgoes along with a guy losing his
erection.
God, you wouldn't put up with alot from guys when it comes to
that.
So the, uh, it's, a ring is aprofound confidence builder.
So I, I believe that itaddresses the venous leak that
interacts with these confidenceanxiety issues.
And I can illustrate that withanother example in which my wife
Tested me to the extreme.

(24:34):
Oh, we live in Montana.
We live, we live, we live

Leah (24:36):
Appreciate your wife's dedication to science.
I just have to say.
Way to go, sister.
Okay.

Elliot (24:45):
again, you can try this out at home.
men have three common complaintsabout women that they don't want
to communicate.
Whatever the therapist saysabout communication, there are
three things that men don't wantto communicate with women.
One is, Your pussy's too loose.
That's kind of a buzzkill forwomen, for women in bed.
You've had too many kids.
You're too old.
I don't feel like that's thatthat that's bad too.

(25:05):
Um, I'm bored.
How many times have we made lovefrom behind a missionary
position?
Uh, can we mix it up?
Cause this ain't this I'm losingit.
It is exactly as bad, right?
Can we have

Leah (25:18):
in this bed.

Elliot (25:18):
on the sofa?
How about the sofa?
How about this?
The kitchen, the

Willow (25:22):
about the stovetop?
Let's do

Elliot (25:24):
that's hot.

Willow (25:24):
Something.
That could be really hot.

Leah (25:28):
As long as I'm not on the bottom.

Willow (25:30):
Careful

Elliot (25:30):
Right, yeah, so, and the third, doesn't apply to all
women, but many women will admitthis, and last night we had four
women over, and three of themadmitted this.
In the middle of sex, women cansuddenly start, even when
they're turned on, can suddenlystart talking about something
else that got to get off theirmind, or a great idea.
Something that happened with thekids, uh, something went on at
work, something that, oh, I got,wait, wait, I have a great idea.

Willow (25:53):
for male brain eros?

Leah (25:55):
not forget to add this to the shopping list.

Elliot (26:00):
Or, Oh, did you forgot to do this?
That's always, that's always abuzzkill too.
So, uh, and it was, it waspretty funny here last night.
Cause they just, there's like a10 second reluctance to admit
it.
And then three out of the four

Willow (26:13):
Everyone's

Elliot (26:14):
I spent the, I took the fourth one, either was lying or
doesn't have sex at all with herhusband.
That was the woman that my wifedidn't want.
My wife didn't want her to seethe dildo.
That's the, that's the one whowould admit it.
So, so my, so it was February inMontana.
Uh, and my wife in the middle ofsex says, I left the garage door
open.
Now there's not a relationshipin the world where ever women

(26:35):
think they think they wantthings to be equal, where the
woman is going to jump out ofbed, put on a clothing and close
the garage door, admit it,right.
This is just

Leah (26:43):
No, we want you to go do it.

Elliot (26:45):
we want, of course,

Willow (26:46):
But first, give me five orgasms.

Leah (26:48):
in that game.
Would

Willow (26:49):
Keep your dick hard the whole time.

Elliot (26:52):
So we, we married a long time and I have to confess, have
a male temper.
And so ordinarily

Willow (26:58):
You, Dr.
Elliot?

Elliot (27:00):
I told my wife, You can't hold that thought for five
more minutes.
Uh, and she said, But it'ssnowing outside.
And we could have snow blowinginto the kitchen.
I go downstairs.
uh, not only is the garage open,but the rear door of her car is
open.
She probably was bringinggroceries in, but, you know,
left them both open.
Uh, and why, what goes on in herbrain when something occurs to

(27:24):
her when we're having, whenshe's turned on, I don't know.
I don't, I don't understandthat.
But I'm, I'm coming back upthis.

Willow (27:30):
callosum between the left and right hemispheres.
It's much bigger in women's

Leah (27:34):
No.
I was gonna say.
You know women are the eighthwonder of the world.
Let's just leave it there

Elliot (27:39):
well, it's, it's,

Willow (27:40):
are true.

Elliot (27:41):
it's, it's clearly a deficiency because I lack a
chromosome.
I've got the XY thing going onthat rather than the XX.
So I'm coming up the steps shesays.
Oh, you know that tequila that Ilike?
Can you put some on the rocksand bring me some?
And don't forget the lime.
Now, ordinarily, that would havebeen another what the fuck

(28:02):
moment.
We're not having sex, I'm pissedoff, I'm gonna turn my back to
you when I get into bed

Leah (28:08):
yeah,

Elliot (28:09):
thing.
And, uh, I'm, uh, so, but I doit.

Willow (28:14):
So what

Elliot (28:14):
Why do, and I come, I come upstairs and I've only lost
about 10 percent of my erectionbecause I'm wearing the ring.

Willow (28:20):
Oh, hey now.

Leah (28:23):
Hey now! Yes!

Elliot (28:25):
My wife says, That ring works, cause look at you, you're
ready for sex again, and youdidn't get, you didn't yell, you
didn't yell at me the second,the second time, and, pass that
tequila over here,

Leah (28:37):
Yeah, this cock ring saves relationships!

Willow (28:41):
Think we need to have her on the, on the show.

Elliot (28:44):
right, and, and she laughed,

Leah (28:46):
so I've got a I have a question for you now How is it?
Is it the same cock ring that isalso counting the erections at
night?
Or is that a different device?

Elliot (28:58):
Different, we have two different cock rings.
So the cock ring, the counterfunctions as an effective cock
ring.
And it can be tightened up.
Because it's going through theloop.
If your penis is on one side,you can just tighten it around
the shaft.
That's what I do at night.
Before I have sex, I tighten itaround the shaft to get the
benefit of a cock ring.
And then for comfort, I justpull a little bit the other way.
And I wear it overnight for theday.

(29:19):
So the tech ring is a good cockring.
But the maximum performance ringwithout the tech was designed to
To do two things.
One, it's less expensive, and wesold many, many more of these
than we've, than we sold of

Leah (29:35):
Of the tech.
Okay.

Elliot (29:37):
It also,

Willow (29:39):
how is it, how is it counting?
Like what is the tech?
Is it on a Bluetooth or what,what's

Elliot (29:43):
yeah, it's, it's a, it's a Bluetooth app.
It's, it's, it's an, it's aphone based app.
Uh, there's a pressure sensorhere, the strain gauge here, as
the penis expands in size.
It pulls on the hook, which thesensor is, and it presses
against the pressure sensor, andit tells us how hard, how hard a
man gets.

Willow (30:02):
So not only tells you how many, but how hard

Elliot (30:06):
how long you last.

Willow (30:08):
and how long.

Leah (30:08):
That's really cool.
Now, who should buy the techring?
The information that isproviding, the data that it
provides that customer, who'sthe best candidate for that?

Elliot (30:20):
And really men over the age of 45 or 50.
Or any man who's diabetic orhypertensive or is taking
medication.
We have younger guys by it who,um, they're unable to conceive.
We had, we've had two guys.
Who, one guy had an adrenaltumor, and these are young guys,
one guy's in his 20s, one guy'sin his early 30s, one guy had an
adrenal tumor, and another guywas taking anabolic steroids.
He's trying, and his dick didn'twork because he's a bodybuilder.

(30:43):
So it is beneficial for youngermen, if they're having a
significant problem.
But it's really for men who areolder, 45 or 50, who want to
know the vital signs of theirpenis.
And, and ideally you want to useit before you have An overt
problem.
So I'll have guys sometimes tellme or doctors, well, I'd buy it
if I couldn't get it up.
Well, no, actually you want tobuy it if you're 55, 50 years
old, you want to buy it beforeand then we don't.

Willow (31:05):
It's preventative medicine.
Yeah.

Elliot (31:07):
the same reason why if, you know, if I'm, I'm 71 years
old or you, even at your age,uh, if you went to a doctor for
like a total physical and thento electrocardiogram or check
your blood pressure or orderblood tests, you think, what is

Leah (31:20):
Yeah, you're not doing your job.

Elliot (31:21):
I don't want to find, I want data.
And I, and I recognize thatthere is data that can signal
problems before they, you know,before they occur.
We've had two men get cardiaccatheterizations because their
data deteriorated.
So it's really valuable, uh,

Leah (31:35):
how often do you recommend someone who has the tech ring
test themselves?
It's not every night, is it?

Elliot (31:42):
once, once a week.

Willow (31:44):
Once a

Elliot (31:45):
So, uh, and we need 275.

Willow (31:48):
Oh, it's not that much.

Elliot (31:49):
So compare, you know, if you compare it to a Whoop or an
Opera or an Apple watch or aFitbit, it's not, you know, it's
actually less expensive.
And what do men care more about?

Willow (31:57):
What about the other one?

Leah (31:58):
Yeah,

Willow (31:59):
the one for sex?

Elliot (32:00):
Yeah.
The ones for

Willow (32:01):
that one for sex though, right?

Elliot (32:03):
going to get the ones for sex.
This, this is, um, my personalgo to.
This is most men's go to.
Why?
Because unlike these rings, thiswill comfortably keep you hard.
We say for an hour and a half,but we said that for medical
legal reasons.
I've, I've wanted for six hoursto, and I've actually, at my
age, I've managed to come twicein a cut in a few hours,

(32:24):
utilizing this.
It's really cool, but I designedit because men don't have
vibrators.
Women rule when it comes to sextoys, men have shit, got these
stupid strokers that don't workwell.
And you've got this kind ofvibrating things, things that
don't work well.
So my thought was, how do weproduce a more intense org*sm in
a man?
We have to put the right amountof pressure over the urethra to
prolong the ej*cuatory phase.

(32:45):
So we tested on 21 men aged 28to 70, I was the oldest person,
with a goal of increasing theej*culatory phase by 50 percent
in all those men.
So my ej*culatory phase withthis goes from 4 seconds to 7
seconds.
That's an incredible org*sm And,and I don't, I don't have

Willow (33:00):
just from using that cock ring

Elliot (33:02):
Right, and my wife's idea

Leah (33:04):
is that with combination of a vibrator?

Elliot (33:06):
No, that's

Leah (33:06):
No, that's just with a cock

Willow (33:08):
just

Elliot (33:08):
so, so what, right.
So my wife of course loves me.
She digs the fact that I'm, Ohmy God, he's not having orgasms.
We choose on the fucking pillow.
Cause it's, it's, it's, it's sointense.

Willow (33:18):
because it's going on and on

Elliot (33:19):
And, and she, and she also likes it because, um, I'll
stay hard with the stimulation.
So what's, you know, doctorsnever ask these questions.
What are we here for mycustomers?
Common issue.
Well, when you actually start toask them about.
About their erectiledisappointments as opposed to,
Hey, take this pill, come back,come back in three months.
Well, oh, well, you know, I getturned on and I go down to my
wife, my girlfriend, then myboyfriend and I, and I have oral

(33:41):
sex and I, I lose my erection.
Then I gotta kind of work hardto get back up to it.
Well, with this one I can, Ican, I can, with minimal
stimulation, I can stay hard.
30, 40, 45 minutes.
Well, that's a real turnoff formy wife, because she doesn't
have to think about my pleasure.
She can just focus on herpleasure.
And I, and I, we've heard aboutthis from, we got, we got
hundreds of testimonials, youknow, to that effect.

Leah (34:05):
Very interesting!

Willow (34:06):
How much

Leah (34:06):
is that one?.

Elliot (34:07):
$60

Willow (34:08):
Oh, Hey, now that's

Leah (34:09):
That's a great.
That's a great.
I mean everyone should begetting what's the website who's
not shopping for this right now?
Yeah,

Willow (34:18):
What's the website?
Dr.
Elliott,

Elliot (34:20):
www.MyFirmTech.com,

Willow (34:21):
my firm tech.
Love that.
Okay.
So now back to

Elliot (34:27):
Oh, one other thing, one other thing, this, this is the,
it's the, the maximumperformance ring has been shown
to be as effective as Cialis.
And by the way, guys out there,if you're going to do this, take
both together.

Willow (34:37):
Oh, do them

Leah (34:37):
I want one for my husband he's gonna love this!

Willow (34:40):
Yeah.

Elliot (34:41):
Husband's going to love it.
You're going to love

Leah (34:42):
You should send me one.

Elliot (34:44):
I will, give me your address.

Willow (34:45):
A lot, a lot of, I know I want one too, I don't, I don't
have a, a I don't got a husbandwith a dick, but I got a lot of,
I got a lot of men circlingaround.

Elliot (34:55):
We were at, International Society of Sexual
Medicine show in Amsterdam abouta year ago, and a very tall
female urologist, came up to meand was talking about her, her
issues with sex, she can't findanyone who's, who's tall in her,
uh, and, and she met a guy, andthey're going on a date, but
she's really worried about thathe'll be put off by her height
even.
And I said, look, just if the,if things are going well after

(35:17):
the cocktails, just slide thisacross the table and tell'em
you'd like to put a ring on ittonight.
And she came back the next day.
Oh my God, that was what, Greatadvice.
My father would never gimme thatkind of advice.

Leah (35:29):
That's very cheeky, I like that.

Elliot (35:32):
You want to see what the data looks like?

Leah (35:33):
Yeah.

Elliot (35:34):
Let's see.
So we're in the Google and Applestores.
That's Firm Tech.
That is what the score lookslike.

Leah (35:43):
Okay.
That's the score after wearingthe tech ring.

Elliot (35:47):
So, 8.
3 is, the average of my age is6.
8, so that means I'm in goodcardiovascular and sexual
health.
I'll show you what a night, whatan overnight reading looks like.

Willow (36:00):
Those are your four

Elliot (36:01):
over here, over here, there's my wife and I having
sex.
And then I'm having one weaknocturnal and three strong
nocturnals and morning wood.

Willow (36:09):
Okay.

Leah (36:10):
Cool.

Willow (36:11):
to see.

Elliot (36:12):
yeah,

Leah (36:13):
that is fun to see

Willow (36:14):
Now

Elliot (36:15):
Dr.
Willow.
Dr.
Willow, if you've got lots ofguys surfing around you, you
could have a competition.

Willow (36:19):
Oh, hey, now we have a

Elliot (36:21):
contest! Why would you want to, don't you want to sleep
with a guy who's

Willow (36:24):
We're having so much.
This is so many good ideas arecoming out of this episode.
Um, well, I'm curious, okay,let's say somebody doesn't have
as good a score as you do, Dr.
Elliot.
What, uh, what do you recommendfor them?
What if someone does have poorvenous, leakage?
Like what, what are the, what'sthe remedy?

Elliot (36:42):
The answer for venous leak is, is a ring.
But for the other, otherproblems, we send notifications.
Because it could be medications,it could be signaling, signaling
significant heart disease, itcould be signaling deterioration
in their diabetes.
So we send notifications.
It could be, hey Elliot, um,your erections for your last
four readings on average are 20percent less than they were the

(37:05):
month before or over the lastprevious, four readings, we
recommend that you now asopposed to getting readings once
a month or once a week or give,give us four, give us four
readings over the next week.
And if this pattern persists,you need to see a doctor.
Or alternatively, it could be,Hey, Elliot, uh, you're having
twice as much sex and your hardons have gone from eight to a

(37:26):
10.
Are you having sex with Dr.
Willow?
So, we can So, we can do

Willow (37:33):
That must be what's

Leah (37:33):
if they're lucky

Willow (37:39):
Okay, I had another question.
I was thinking about, um, I haveseveral clients that I work with
who have had prostatectomies dueto prostate cancer, um, who do
not have erectile, you know,aptitude.
So what's the answer there?

Elliot (37:54):
That's a good, that's a really great question.
So there are two, I wasn'tthinking about prostate health
or prostate cancer when I gotinvolved in this.
I was really thinking aboutrectal dysfunction and it's
cardiovascular causes it'sevolved,

Willow (38:06):
That makes so much sense.
Yeah.

Elliot (38:09):
We were out in the market maybe six months, uh, and
I got contacted by a retired PhDengineer who told me he loved,
he loved our ring.
He's post prostate surgery.
He was able to use the ring totrack his recovery and to see
what, what therapies are workingfor him.
So, right now, if a man isrecovering from prostate surgery

(38:29):
or radiotherapy, know, well,it's PD5 medications, it's
testosterone, it could bepumping, you know, pelvic floor
exercises, it's this whole, andall those things are being
recommended on the basis ofconjecture.
And hope without confirmation.
And he was able to figure out,well, only, only one of these
things is really benefiting me.
And then because those men alsosuffer from shrinkage, and

(38:52):
decreased blood flow, the ringalso helps to keep them hard.
So we have, post prostatesurgery chat room of about 15,
16 guys who have used our devicewhere they exchange information.
So we have men who are, um, youknow, they're 15, 16 months out
and they buy the ring.
And it's like, Hey, I gotnocturnals.
Why can't I have sex with mypartner?
Well, it's a confidence issue,dude.

(39:13):
And, and,

Willow (39:13):
it, then, you know, it's psychological.
Yeah.

Elliot (39:16):
And, and if you, and if you pump and then put our ring
on, The ring will help keep you,keep you hard the confidence
thing is profound for men, it'sprofound for women as well, too.

Willow (39:24):
yeah.

Leah (39:25):
Okay.
I've got two follow up questionshaving to do with male sexual
health.
One is do you have any advice orinsight when it comes to men who
have a hard time reaching orgasmand ejaculation.
And do you have any advice formen who are frustrated by their
ejaculatory control, meaningthey feel like they come too

(39:45):
quickly?
Oh,

Elliot (39:48):
problem, um, first.
Well, the advantage of, of aneffective cock ring is it can
keep men comfortably hard afterthey cum.
I'm old and I got a successfulmarriage.
In a successful marriage, thewoman always comes first if she
wants, and probably comes thirdif she wants as well too.
So, I don't need to keepthrusting in order to satisfy my

(40:11):
wife.
What she likes about it is if Istay hard for four or five
minutes after I come, I'm in adifferent mindset.
Because the male mindset is comeand done.
Hey, well, who texts me whilewe're fucking, or let's get a
drink, or have a puff of pot, orlet's go to bed.
Or, um, whereas if a man ishard, we actually spend more
time talking.
It's more, more romantic andintimate.
Right.
We have, we have younger menusing our maximum, using the,

(40:34):
um, the maximum performance ringfor this reason.
And it builds up the confidencein their relationship.
They know they're going to cometoo soon, but they're going to
stay hard and they can, they canfeel like they can satisfy their
partner.

Leah (40:45):
Okay, interesting.
We

Elliot (40:47):
also have men who have, a couple, two men I'm aware of
because they contacted me, whohave used the, who have used
the, uh, the tech ring, thedata, to demonstrate to their
partner that, no, I'm not comingtoo soon.
Maybe you're taking too long tocome.
Now that's a whole other issue.

Leah (41:01):
It's a whole other fight.

Elliot (41:03):
right.

Willow (41:03):
I don't know if that's a good angle, guys.
I'm not sure about that.

Elliot (41:07):
Because, I,

Willow (41:08):
try

Elliot (41:09):
I just, I just say that because these, these guys were,
you know, people get angry ateach other about sex and death.

Willow (41:15):
For sure.

Elliot (41:16):
So

Leah (41:16):
so vulnerable.

Elliot (41:18):
if a guy

Leah (41:19):
get so defensive.

Elliot (41:20):
and comes and takes, and can show his partner that, and
he's a young guy, Hey, it'staking me six minutes before I
ejaculate.
Is that premature ejaculation atthat age?
I don't think so.
That's just a young guy.
That's a, and, uh, so that's thepremature ejaculation.

Leah (41:37):
Okay.

Elliot (41:38):
side.
and the premature ejaculatorsalso report that they have the
ring on and they stay hard.
I'm talking about young guysnow, guys in their 20s.
They can come again a secondtime more easily than they can
without, the ring on.
But as far as the older men ingeneral who have difficulty
climaxing, well, that's hard tosuss out.
So, is it a lack of friction?
just had a guy who had a$10,000workup at a major men's

(42:00):
longevity center for this veryproblem.
He's in his 60s, his wife is inhis 50s and it, and he gets hard
and they lose it.
He wasn't getting friction.
They were still trying to havesex like Eighteen year olds.
Hey, I got a hard on.
Let's go right to the missionaryposition or from behind.
Well, I asked him, do you haveany difficulty with Jacqueline

(42:23):
when you use your hand?
And he said, no.
I said, well, there's youranswer.
Both of you need to recognizethat we worked for you 20 years
ago.
It's not going to work for youanymore.
She needs to use her hand.
Or you need to figure it out.
You need more friction thanyou're getting.
There's nothing wrong with that.
That's normal.

Leah (42:37):
Yeah.
I think, I think oftentimes it'syou're not having the kind of
sex you want.
And, Um, and are maybe gettingnumbed out.
Uh, and I think you're right.
I think it does depend on areyou successfully reaching climax
in your self pleasuring?
And I think a lot of men tend tonumb out their penis because
they do need a certain kind offriction and a certain kind of

(42:59):
speed that a mouth or hand or avagina can't compete with
because he's trained his dick toonly feel one way.

Elliot (43:07):
well, the training thing, to my mind, comes from
this notion that porn is bad andguys are jerking off too much to
porn.
And that's, I think that, I'mnot saying that's not an issue.

Leah (43:19):
That can happen,

Elliot (43:20):
We would never tell women today, don't use a
vibrator.
They think, what the fuck areyou talking about?
Because vibrators have, so youwould never tell a woman, no,
you need to come withpenetrative sex without a
vibrator.
That, that would

Leah (43:36):
That doesn't fly.

Elliot (43:37):
Right, the, um, even the sex positive communities is
telling men, a lot of men, Hey,you're addicted to porn, and
you're addicted to your hand.
Bullshit, for a lot, for a lotof that.
No, this provides me with thefriction that I need.
My wife's got hands, she's greatwith her hands too, by the way.
Uh, why, and you, you ladiesprobably are too.
Why, why would you insist thatI, that, you know, if a guy can

(43:59):
only come with his hand.
That's kind of, not to someoneelse's, then now it, that's,
that suggests something else,um, and, and, and there's some
problem in the intimacy, etcetera.
But this whole telling men, andif men can only come to porn
exclusively.
That's the problem, especiallyin a relationship.
But if a man watches porn andmasturbates and has sex with his

(44:21):
partner, male or female, andstruggles to come with that
partner because that partner isinsisting that the only way they
can come is with penetrativesex, either anus or vagina or
even mouth, that's wrong.
Put a hand on it.
A woman's hand, a man's hand,there's a brain attached to it.
A vagina and a butt and arectum, they don't have brains
attached to them

Leah (44:42):
Never thought of it that way.

Willow (44:44):
Yeah, that's very

Elliot (44:45):
Because we're being told to think about it otherwise.
I'm pissed off.
In fact, you know, I've kind ofgone on about it because I'm
pissed off about that issue.
Because it's I hear it all thetime.
Well, guys, we get the point.
They make sure I call.
I watch porn all the time, butmy wife's hands, I prefer my
wife's hand to my hand.
Why?

Leah (45:00):
Well, women jerking off to porn too.
So

Elliot (45:03):
Yeah, they are.
And we don't tell women, wedon't tell women don't use a
vibrator

Leah (45:07):
Well, here's an interesting thing.
Here's what I want to push backon just a little bit when it
comes to the porn issue is thatis men under 40 having erectile
dysfunction and prematureejaculation at ages they
shouldn't be encountering thatas a result of compulsive porn
issues that's increasing theiranxiety and making it difficult
for them to actually have sexualrelationships with partners.

(45:29):
Um, and I think it's an anxietyissue.
Do you have any comment on that?

Elliot (45:33):
I do.
Cause, um, for my conversationwith.
And you've probably spoken tomore men in this situation,
because my conversations withthese guys are, you know, eight
to ten guys who contact mebecause they're looking for,
looking for a solution, and Iopen up my calendar five hours a
week to talk to anyone aboutsex.
Well, a lot of these guys, whenI query them, They've got
fetishes.
what porn do you watch?
I only watch strap on porn.
Okay, well, my wife orgirlfriend, they're not going to

(45:55):
do that.
Or they're afraid to ask theirgirlfriend to do it.
and that's where the addictionto my mind part comes in.
I've had one guy, you know, tellme he jerks off to, he watches
porn about women in high heels.
Well.
And they complaining about hiswife having fat legs, but you
know, what can I say?
Um, I,

Leah (46:13):
So then it's like a turn on issue

Elliot (46:15):
it's, it's, I think it's a turn on issue and they, and
they've got, they've taken it tothe point and they watch these
guys are watching a lot of pornwhen you're really at, when
you're, you know, watch a littlebit of porn every day.
Well,

Willow (46:26):
Yeah, what's a little bit?

Leah (46:28):
the yeah, there's a difference between a little bit
of porn every day and thencompulsive where it's fucking up
your job And you're spending alot of money on it.
It's fucking up your financesand it's a Preventing you from
having normal relationships,then you have, then there, then
we're headed into a, uh,consultation with maybe an
addiction specialist.

Elliot (46:47):
Yes.
I agree with that.

Willow (46:49):
know, and with with with masturbating your own cock and
just having that certain amountof friction and that certain
amount of you know exactly whatis right for you to have the
orgasm as a male.
Um, you know, I think a lot ofwhat What we teach with in
sexology is to, um, you know,rewire the neural pathways from

(47:12):
your cock up to your brain sothat you can actually
experience, um, different levelsof arousal with different levels
of friction and frequency andspeed and all of that.
And so I feel like with thiscock ring that you, that you're,
that's out on the market nowthat you guys have created,
that's so beautifully designed.
This could be such a huge um,tool for men to, you know, get

(47:37):
over maybe, you know, thepsychological addiction, maybe
they need some external supportwith that, but with just like
masturbating and always the samefrequency and always the same
speed and always the sameminutes and always the same
orgasm, like this could be a waythat they could start to slow
things down.
Yeah.

Elliot (47:56):
That's, that's really interesting.
Cause I, cause I, I'll talkabout my personal experience and
I have clients I stay harderlonger with less stimulation and
that's changed the way in whichmy wife and I make love.
And we spend more time talkingmore time with um, indirect
foreplay both of us.

(48:16):
There's no longer this rushedorgasm if you will and you guys
are

Willow (48:19):
time

Leah (48:20):
Less

Elliot (48:21):
You guys, you guys are young, but I, you know, my wife
would be, you know, like beforea couple, a few years ago, be,
Hey, we're both turned on what'syour favorite, what vibrates and
I, what position you want tohave sex.
And it's almost like a quicknegotiation basically.
And you would get it on and we'dhave both have orgasms, okay,
we're done.
But now we have sex for, we, we,almost twice as long, like we've

(48:41):
gone from like 10 to 15 minutesto 45, sometimes an hour.
And she has more climaxes, uh,and I, uh, and, and I get edged,
edged more and more and more,it's more, it's more sexually
satisfying, but in terms ofintimate, the intimacy, and we
can speculate about oxytocin andthese other hormone benefits,
but in terms of the intimacy,it's more, more profound.

(49:03):
We love each other more, uh,

Willow (49:06):
because there's more

Leah (49:07):
Because of the sexual intimacy, yeah.

Elliot (49:10):
And that's where the Tantra, a little bit of Tantra
component, if you will, and, youknow, it enters into it.
But I wouldn't dare try to tearmy wife's vibrator out of her
hand.
You know, that would be, uh,

Leah (49:20):
We want you

Willow (49:21):
and that's your point, right?
So don't dare take my fuckingporn and masturbation time away.

Elliot (49:26):
Because I probably like you, I mean, she, you know, I,
you know, my mother had onevibrator.
It's the fifties and it wasburied, hidden away, hidden
away, you know, and I don't knowhow many of my wife has because
it depends upon your women, youunderstand it's better than I
do.
I'm not recognizing.
She can always come into thebedroom with a bandolier on
because she wants a differentsensation at a different time

(49:47):
and she might want one vibratorfor her first orgasm, another
vibrator for second orgasm, ordepending on what position is,
she might want to change it up.
Great for women.
And that's why men, men'ssituation sucks.
All we got is the ring.
But anyway, but the, but it was,it's,

Willow (50:04):
There's a lot of anal Devices out there now do any
take on anal devices are

Elliot (50:09):
I

Willow (50:09):
working on anything like that?

Elliot (50:11):
We, um, I, by the way, I think they are, you're speaking,
you know, I'm, I'm a proponentof, of anal sex, but, but it,
but it's, it's not a primarywave for most men's orgasms.
So this men who claim that theyhave

Willow (50:24):
Not yet?

Elliot (50:25):
orgasms, are they,

Leah (50:28):
I think they are.
There's a hypogastric nervethat's running through there
that can carry orgasm to thebrain.

Elliot (50:32):
That's, that's what this

Willow (50:33):
Definitely.

Elliot (50:34):
Becomes this documents it.

Willow (50:37):
Oh.

Leah (50:37):
Okay, so tell us more about that.

Willow (50:39):
Yes!

Elliot (50:41):
The one thing, one of the things is really, uh, one

Leah (50:45):
Talking to two sex geeks over here.
Now we're getting into nerves,hypogastric nerve is like my new
favorite

Willow (50:50):
thing.
We're at time, but we got tokeep going here.
Well

Elliot (50:54):
okay.
So let's talk about the analclimax in men.
if it's just from, from, uh,Hitting the prostate and
producing the leakage ofejaculatory fluid, is that an
orgasm?
Is it associated withejaculatory contractions of the
urethra?
So there are two, there are twocomponents, and this is one of
the reasons why the femaleclitoris is superior to the
penis, but there are twocomponents to a male orgasm.

(51:17):
Even a dry orgasm, like olderguys have.
One is the PCG musclecontractions, which women have
as well, too.
So it's the muscles thatsurround the, the, the anus and
around, and around the vagina.
And you can, interestingly,this, um, if you compare male
and female orgasms, the PCGmuscle contractions, the
waveform is exactly the same.

Leah (51:37):
Is that

Elliot (51:37):
What's different is, what's different is that women
can have more waves, but thewave form is the same.
Um, but, uh, the other componentto a male orgasm is the, is the
ejaculatory contractions.
Whether sperm comes out or spermdoesn't come out.
And no one has yet shown, um, amale anal orgasm is producing

(51:59):
ejaculatory contractions.
That's what I've seen.
Guys claim it.
But is that, is that, is itejacultory contraction or is it
just a leakage of

Leah (52:05):
fluid?
What about just analcontractions?
Does it have to have a penileresponse for there to be an anal
orgasm.

Elliot (52:15):
Well, show it to me with a probe.
I'm open minded about this.
I've got guys who make thisclaim, and my point as well.
Um,

Leah (52:22):
Where's the data?

Elliot (52:23):
where's the data exactly?
Because when people talk about,when people tell me that I had
an orgasm in my brain, yeah,well, I'm in the objective
world.
Believe me, I'm in thesubjective and objective world
as well too.
I understand that a good deal ofdesire, pleasure, you know, is
subjective.
Uh, but then I'm, on thebusiness side, and the medical
side, I'm focused on what isobjective.
we need to see these, these twocomponents, and I have not seen

(52:45):
that data, and I, and Irecognize that, that anal sex
can be pleasurable without Thepenis, but it generally isn't.
So actually, well, this, themaximum performance ring, we
have gay guys buying this whoare bottoms.
Why?
Because they want to stay hard.

Leah (53:02):
Yeah.

Elliot (53:03):
It's more satisfying to them if they're bottom to stay
hard while being, um,

Willow (53:07):
penetrated.

Leah (53:08):
Because a lot of guys love to be penetrated, but they don't
necessarily have erections whenthey are.

Elliot (53:12):
They get annoyed that they lose their erection.
So we actually we have doms.
Uh, two doms I know of who buythis for their subs because it's
more of a turn on.
Hey, the guy, if the guy isjust, you get the point.

Leah (53:23):
Yeah.

Elliot (53:24):
The guy's getting more for his monies, but basically
with these pro doms, if he has ahard on, then if he doesn't have
a hard-on.

Leah (53:30):
Yeah.
So, what a rich conversation.
Thank you so much forenlightening us and our audience
today.

Elliot (53:38):
Pleasure.

Leah (53:38):
And um, Yeah, sold.
I'm getting me a cock ring.
I'm gonna strap it on

Willow (53:46):
Affirm tech, firm

Leah (53:47):
dedicate the night to getting some

Elliot (53:50):
Think of this as foreplay.
It's time for you to put a ringon him.

Leah (53:54):
Mm hmm.
That's right.
It's time for the love lab.
Cool.

Willow (53:58):
Thank you so much.

Elliot (54:00):
You're welcome.

Announcer (54:01):
Now our favorite part, the dish.

Leah (54:06):
Well, that was a very interesting conversation.
I am loving the research.

Willow (54:12):
very very enlightening.
Um, I can't wait to try this newcoching and the amazing
technology.
It looks so much morecomfortable and so much

Leah (54:21):
much

Willow (54:21):
easier.
to get on than every othercoching.
You know, I have to say, I, Itried the Adam Plus with one of
my lovers not too long ago, andwatching him try to get that
fucker on was like, that was thebest part of, no, it wasn't the
best part, but it was hilarious.
It was really good for a lot oflaughs.
And so this one is gonna be somuch easier to put on.

(54:43):
And just like, what a, what adream.
And I imagine too, I, I,'cause Irecently was helping a man have
his first non-ejaculatoryorgasm.
So I'm imagining with like thetantric tools, the, you know,
the breathing, the runningenergy through different
meridians in your body and allof that.
Plus using this at the same timeis gonna really, really be a

(55:06):
game changer.
I feel

Leah (55:07):
think so too.

Willow (55:09):
technology that

Leah (55:10):
their creating.
You know, I almost asked him,but then I realized he's not
gonna have an answer to this.
He's not

Willow (55:15):
to the non ejaculatory

Leah (55:16):
which was, no, it was really like for men to be sexual
more often, but to ejaculateless, that actually conserving
the chi that is in sperm by notejaculating and squandering the
ejaculation, and then learninghow to separate your orgasm from
ejaculation.
Then provides you with morevolunteer erections that you
tend to lose as you age.

(55:37):
I mean, that's a lot of whatTantra supports.
Now, no one's ever done a studyto see how true is that.

Willow (55:45):
Well, I.
mean that could be, he's doingall this great research that
could be a little fun subset ofdata research that, that

Leah (55:52):
I have feeling that it would be hard for a lot of
people in the medical industryto take that kind of research
seriously because it's, it's ahigh, it's a high gradient
skill.
Like you have to have enoughdiscipline to not always go for
the ejaculation in order tolearn how to separate the two.

(56:13):
Um.
I mean, it would be great.
It'd be great for like a taoistteacher who had the medical
background.
Hint, hint, Dr.
Willow Brown.

Willow (56:20):
research.
I'm just like, I don't have thebandwidth to go toward

Leah (56:25):
research.
I know to do like researchstudies are so expensive and so
labor intensive and then ugh.
But I do love, I do love thatpeople are out doing research
like this.
'Cause I am just, I just wannasink my teeth into it.
It's so interesting to me.

Willow (56:40):
And I, I real, this is definitely new for me.
Um, new information that Iwasn't so, you know, clearly
aware of.
Is that really what, what showsaging.
An aging penis is the, is therefractory period.
And how long he can stay hardversus how many you know, you,

(57:00):
like.
I, I always thought, okay, wellit's how many you can have and
you know how many you can haveper day and all that kind of
stuff.
But

Leah (57:07):
oh,

Willow (57:07):
not it.

Leah (57:09):
It's the refractory period.
Yeah.

Willow (57:11):
Like how long you can stay hard and that refractory
period that, um, and so, and,and really like the, the
keeping, keeping the blood flowin is, you know, is

Leah (57:24):
right.

Willow (57:25):
You know, what I would love to hear is

Leah (57:27):
that was an important distinction.
Sorry, go ahead.

Willow (57:29):
yeah.
I would love to hear aconversation between Dr.
Anne Truong and Dr.
Elliot.
Justin.
Maybe we should have both ofthem.

Leah (57:40):
get him

Willow (57:40):
Let's have them.
No, let's have them on our show

Leah (57:43):
Yeah.
Oh, we can have them both.

Willow (57:45):
Yeah, let's have them both.
I love that.
Yeah.

Leah (57:48):
Yeah, I think she'll love him.
I think she'll be really intoit.
Um.

Willow (57:52):
already had'em, I'm sure.

Leah (57:53):
Right.
That's possible.
We'll find out.
We'll have the links to Dr.
Anne's episode where we talk alot about erectile dysfunction
in the show notes.
Um, one of the things I reallyappreciated was the distinction
of you can get hard, but youhave a hard time staying hard.
Like that, that littledistinction wasn't quite in my

(58:16):
language.
Um, which will change now in thekind of conversations I have
with people who are strugglingwith that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, I am, I really had neverdawned on me or like, do women
get nocturnal erections?
And because I don't think weexactly have, uh, morning wood.

Willow (58:39):
No,

Leah (58:40):
But maybe this, maybe it's, maybe we do

Willow (58:43):
have fun sex dreams.
have you ever had one of thosedreams where you are totally
having a full on raging orgasmin the

Leah (58:50):
Fuck.
Uh, yes.
I live for them.

Willow (58:52):
They're so good.
I mean, that's gotta be

Leah (58:55):
up with the orgasm.

Willow (58:56):
Yeah, I know.
They're

Leah (58:57):
Yeah.
So it'd be really cool to see ifwhen you have orgasm dreams, you
know, because I always justassumed and it feels like I am
1000% having a real orgasm inbed when that's happening.
I had one just like, was it lastnight or the other night?
And then I kept on going back toit'cause I can kind of lucid
dream.

(59:18):
I had nightmares as a kid, so Iprogrammed myself to like learn
how to dream about the shit Iwanted to dream after a
nightmare.
So I go back to sexy dreams andthen I continue to try to come
for the rest.

Willow (59:29):
Look at you.
You're so, you're so adept andskilled in the dream space.
I had no idea.
Okay.
I have to tell you total sidenote, I had the most epic
fucking dream last night.
It was like a whale.
I was sitting in on this rock inthe middle of the ocean and this
whale came up to me and it likecame behind me and it kept
making this like whale noisebehind me until I finally, I was

(59:52):
afraid of it at first, and thenit finally like wrapped its
tongue around me and gave melike a big whale tongue hug.
And then I was like rubbing itswhole snout, part of its face.
And like, just like we were, wewere in love, Me and this whale
we were having like.
Oceanic whale chasm, dreamspace.

(01:00:14):
It was the most insane dream Ithink I've ever had.

Leah (01:00:18):
Oh my God.
If anyone knows anything aboutwhale medicine...

Willow (01:00:21):
I mean, I'm sure I must have been having a clitoral
heart on that whole time.

Leah (01:00:25):
Wow.
Yeah, that

Willow (01:00:28):
there was this amazing deep peace to it.
It was just, it was profound.
So I'm glad I got to share thatbecause I haven't, I don't have
anyone else to talk to about ittoday.
So,

Leah (01:00:38):
You can always share it with us, the Sex Reimagined
community.

Willow (01:00:42):
right.

Leah (01:00:45):
Well, it's a good one.
All right, thanks, Dr.
Elliott Justin.
And, um, check out his website,which is www.MyFirmTech.com.
Get yourself a cock

Willow (01:01:00):
Of them cock rings.

Leah (01:01:02):
Yep.
Oh, we'll have the link for thecock ring also.

Willow (01:01:05):
Mm-hmm.

Leah (01:01:06):
so there you go.

Announcer (01:01:09):
Thanks for tuning in.
This episode was hosted byTantric Sex Master Coach and
positive psychology facilitator,Leah Piper, as well as by
Chinese and Functional Medicinedoctor and Taoist Techology
teacher, Dr.
Willow Brown.
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