Martin Foster: Passing the Torch of Resilience

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All right, we'll go ahead and get going.
All right, everybody want to welcome you back to another
episode of the Shadows podcast. And we got a packed house on
here today and we we've kind of got what we have not only my tag
team partner Miguel on here for what I believe is one of our
first episodes we've had actually interviewing somebody

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together. I think we've been on here for
the emotional intelligence aspect of it, but I think for in
terms of standard shadows podcast format, this is the
first time we've actually been able to do something together.
And then we have our honorary who's on here, Martin.
He's he's joining us as our guest.
So this is kind of like, you know, the, the bloodline version

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of the shadows. So this is I'm, I'm very excited
for this one. But before we get going, I want
to thank everybody, especially for last week.
Last week we kicked off our month of grit where with
military veterans. And I said it on the episode, I
mean, I couldn't have thought ofa better 1st guest to kick it

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off with than Chris Farrell. Just a crazy emotionally deep
story that he told. That was, I mean even me going
back and editing and it was justso deep.
But what an awesome guy, you know, him and his family being
able to hear his story. And you know, we've been trust

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me, if you, if you call it the Barbie girl piece, he and I have
been texting each other our gym playlist.
So he's an awesome guy. I encourage everybody to go out
there and follow him and check out his article on Muscle and
Fitness too. And I'm sure it makes all three
of us jealous that we, we have yet to get that phone call.
I've been checking my phone every couple hours.

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Muscle and Fitness has not called me yet, but we're here
today with Martin Foster. But before we get to Martin,
Miguel, how's everything going on your end?
Oh, man, it's been busy. Yeah, I know.
Everything that's happening, changing with the
administration, right? All of those things affect me.
Those generals that they work with, those are my bosses.

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So everything that changes, I have to be part of that change.
And so I think that's as much asI can give, right, without
getting in trouble. A lot of closed door
conversations and you would say like, don't take notes on this
conversation. Nothing can get leaked.
And so I was like, OK, and so, but yes, that's what's been

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keeping me busy. And on top of that, still got to
do other things like taking careof her troops, which is should
be the priority. But apart from that, life has
been life thing I would say. And family too.
You got family to take care of? Yes.
Yes. They do like my wife's actually
sick right now and so. Yeah, yeah.

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And I've got officially a month and some change left before I
head back from Florida to California.
But it was pretty dope. The other night, my boss was
selected to throw out the first pitch of the Tampa Bay Rays game
for CENTCOM night. And then we got to sit up in the
the VIP suite and they were like, go sit out on this.

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We had like, you know, 2 rows ofbleachers that you can go sit
out on and watch the game. And I was like, no, it is so
humid and I can sit in regular seats anywhere.
Any other time I go to a game, but I cannot sit in this air
conditioned box with food and all this other stuff.
It was incredible. But yeah.
But let's. Let's now pivot over to our
guest, Martin Foster. Welcome to the shadows.

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Martin is a united, newly UnitedStates Air Force retired and
host of Passing the Torch, one of my favorite podcasts.
Seriously, that's one of my favorite podcasts.
He's had an incredible, incredible list of guests as I
mean, he's just been on a roll. This guy is white hot right now

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with podcasting, but Martin, welcome to the shadows.
Hey, thank you so much, gentlemen, and Miguel, we'll get
you on my podcast. I haven't forgotten, man.
You're still on my get back to. We'll make it happen for sure.
But you know, buddy was on just a couple months ago.
But thanks for having me. Just thanks for the plug and
thanks for the honor being on the podcast.
I was on a podcast on Wednesday or Thursday of this past week,

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might have been Thursday. I really don't and I haven't
been a guest on a lot of podcasts.
So this is just a cool experience for me to really tell
my story and just share, you know, different insights.
But yeah, it's been an honor. And I've again boda thanks for
the shout out about being white hot and the the kind words about
being one of your favorite podcast, 'cause I do listen to
the shadows and I don't think people realize how much that you

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and I talk. We have a lot of great
conversations that last, you know, in a good way hours and we
talk about wrestling and podcasting.
But yeah, I've been on a roll and I just booked 3 episodes
today that it's people's heads are going to be like explode
when I when they see it. I don't want to say who they are

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just 'cause I don't want to jinxit.
But yeah, man, I'm in a, I'm in a good space right now.
The. Worst thing is when you tell
someone like it. I had someone that I had
scheduled for the Shadows and I was literally making coffee one
day and I was like, hey, don't say nothing.
But I got this person coming on my podcast.
And then I got back home and they were like, sorry, I'm not
allowed to do the podcast, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And I was like, damn, I shouldn't have said nothing.
I know because I said something.So I I know what you mean on
that one. So before we get going, we're
going to throw some some ice breaker questions out at you.
I've got 3, Miguel's got two. I'm going to kick it off.
I'm going to throw one out at you.
And you probably have no idea what my thought you're centered

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around. But first question that I have
for you, what is the best wrestling promo of all time?
Unrelated, let me answer that ina second, but I I I didn't
forget this. Going back to your muscle and
fitness comment, if anyone gets called up to do muscle and

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fitness next, it's obviously going to be you Bode, you've
been hitting the weights. You look great.
I meant I meant to tell you that.
So I just want. To Raider pander to the host.
I love that. Miguel, you look great.
Miguel, you look great too. Congrats.
And starting on your master's program, I saw the news on that.
I appreciate it. Yeah, Congrats.
On starting on masters. Yeah, All right, so best

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wrestling promo of all time? Aw man, that's tough.
I'm just going to go with probably the like the one of the
ones that comes to mind is Austin King of the Ring.
I think that's probably an easy one to go back to.
Yeah, I'll say that one and a real minor one that I that

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people know of that there wasn'tany words but just actions was
back when the Rock was early with this Nation of Domination
days when he was under Continental champ.
And Farooq is actually giving a promo.
It's one of my favorite promos because he's not saying
anything, but he's just like hiseye movements.
And it's, it's a famous meme and, you know, GIF and all that

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now. Yeah.
It's just, it's so funny and it shows like how powerful you can
be without words, but just with your actions and your body
language. But those are two ones that I
just want to give a shout out to.
OK, don't go to Eddie Guerrero addict promo.
Man, oh dude, I'm so glad you said that, Bodhi, because I

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can't tell you number times whenI need motivation, I will go
back and watch because people saying wrestling's fake, there's
a lot of real life stuff in those, in those promos.
And I mean, you could feel it. And the video that I go back and
watch, of course, there's background music playing and you
could feel the struggle and the emotion and the fight.

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That Eddie, Eddie Guerrero was such an underrated,
underappreciated wrestler because of his size.
But man, truly one of the best of all times.
And I remember in his WCW days, his early days, he was horrible
on the mic. He used to get tongue tied.
And I, I remember my friends andI used to make fun of him.
And then he goes to WWE, ends upbecoming one of the the best.

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But that one against Brock Lesnar was absolutely
phenomenal. Brock Lesnar said it made him
cry. It's I, but I like I'm, I'm
serious, man. I will go back because I still
there's a YouTube playlist that I have where I'll go back and
listen to motivational speeches and but that's that's that that
Eddie Guerrero promo is definitely one on that list.

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Oh, sorry, you said totally random questions, right?
Yeah. So I heard this one.
It says if a door is closed, is it considered on or off and why?
If a door is closed, is it considered on or off?
I guess it depends on who closedthe door because there's times

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in my life where I closed the door on people and friendships
and I consider it off because I,I just, I, I move away from that
door and just move on to the next one.
And it's hard. So I'll say for that I'm not,
I'm not interested in reopening that door.
I gotcha. And I always like that question
because like it gives you like the perspective of the person.

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And so just with your answer alone, I yeah, yeah.
And then and the other part of the side of that is I'll say
there are times when the when a closed door, I still see it as
on. And I'll tie that into
podcasting because I, I did an episode with Todd Simmons a

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couple weeks ago and he, and during that episode he was, we
were talking about some of the guests I've had on and it came
up like, hey, what, like what are you doing to get these
guests? And I not just him who's asked
me that. I've had a few people ask me
that over the past couple months.
And I look at it as its patience.

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I've had my podcast for eight years.
So there have been times when someone has told me no, but the
fact they responded to me in thee-mail, I take that no as a
positive sign that that means that door is closed for right
now. But maybe six months from now
it'll be a little crack open. So I I when I see depending on
the situation, but for podcasting specifically, I see

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closed doors as an on and it's not open yet.
That's. A That's a very interesting
take. It's a very interesting answer.
Yeah, I mean, so for me, I had Ryan Hawk is another.
Obviously I listen to the shadows, but there's another
podcast I've listened to Ryan Hawk, his brother's actually AJ
Hawk, the the linebacker. But but Ryan Hawk is in his own

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right, has done incredible things, author, speaker,
consultant, incredible podcaster.
I mean it. He was on my on my on an episode
last February, so a year and a half ago.
But I tried to get him on my show for three years and then it
happened. And then it went from no
response, no response to finallygetting response and knows.

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And then we had a podcast. And then, but even in the
meantime, I've read all his books.
I followed his podcast because Igenuinely like it, you know,
consumed a lot of his content and even last.
So today's Sunday. Oh, actually on on Thursday I

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called him because he emailed meback his number and we talked
for an hour. Whereas 3 years ago I was
getting no response to, you know, then eventually he was on
my podcast to where now I'm having hour long and eight hour
long conversations with him overthe phone.
So yeah, that's how. Sorry, where did you reach that

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type of maturity? Because I early on in like say
in my, in my career or in like Iwould pitch this idea and people
would say no. And then once I would get
traction, like say what the things that I did right?
And all of a sudden those peoplethat said no to me early on, now

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they want to support what I do. So at what point did you reach
like that type of maturity to where in you're just thinking
about say, oh, that door is not open yet?
Yeah, that's a good question. I'm not sure.
You know, I remember last year at AFSA when we met in person
and when the Chief master on theSpace Force, like his people
came up to you because they want, you know, about you

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cutting his hair and doing a podcast in that format.
Like think about that, Miguel, just out of nowhere.
There's no way you thought note like that would have happened,
you know, two days before you left for AFSA and then all of a
sudden you're you're making thishappen.
So that like the reason that happened for you, because
there's a lot of natural authenticity.
It's an organic vibe. It's, it's genuine.

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I think for me, I've always justbelieved in myself and, and I've
been, there's been, trust me, I have imposter syndrome and
there's been so many times in mylife where I'm shaky or doubting
myself, but I still do the thing.
And I, you know, I've been telling people for years that I
will always bet on myself just because I know I'm not the

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smartest person in the room. It's rare that I am.
But I would tell you one thing. I am is probably one of the most
resourceful people in the room. And I just, you know, I've had
people ask me if you actually goback and look at all the
episodes of my podcast, I've hada lot of notable guests.
And I've asked people ask me like, Hey, how are you getting
these guests? And like, well, it depends.
There's a story for each individual person, but it's just

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kind of just, I mean, there's been times where I've emailed
people and it's been a complete when I go back and read, reread
the e-mail, when I, when I get ghosted, no response.
The e-mail makes me cringe. And I'm like, I probably, you
know, I could have worded that better, but it's just just being
genuine with the e-mail. Just trying to find that right

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groove, that right flow for me. Yeah, I, I think just with time,
I said the biggest thing that's helped me is years ago, I
probably around 2018, I had thisepiphany.
I was actually, so I was a flight chief at the time and

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there was this other flight chief who, and back in this
unit, there was, it was a, it was a big squadron.
There was eight flights, so and all the flight chiefs had to go
to the, the unit staff meetings.Am I rambling too much?
No. All right, so everyone had to go
to these staff meetings. So I mean, there would be, you
know, 40-50 people at these staff meetings and the commander

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would actually have people like airmen come up and brief
something good they were doing as well.
So there's always airmen from each flight at these meetings
too. Well, there was this other
flight chief who I just did not get.
No one got along with this otherflight chief and everyone talk
trash about that person, but this person was very grimy and
just very selfish and very, we all know the type.

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We were planning. I was helping plan a unit event
and this is probably a week before the event.
This person, I think it might have been the unit holiday
party. So a week out all of a sudden
they wanted to get involved and help out and became the good
idea. Fair.
They didn't do anything up untilthis point.
So I went off on this. Long story short, I went off on
this flight, this flight chief in the the staff meeting.

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I mean, I'm just calling him out.
The first Sergeant, the commander and the squadron SCL,
the chief were just, they were all present and rightfully so.
The, the squadron SCL, the chief, after the meeting, pulled
me into their office and counseled me.

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And they weren't mad. They agreed with everything that
I said. But what they, what they told
me. So did you have to say that in
front of their people? Because and everyone knows,
everyone in leadership knew thatthe person I went at was not the
best senior in CEO, but maybe his team didn't know that or

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maybe his team didn't know that,but it's still he still needed
to have some type of, you know, credibility with them.
And what I learned in that lesson that or then that moment
was I was wrong. I, I don't regret what I did
going after the, the member because it, it needed to happen.
I, I do think that, but what I regret was the way in which I

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did that I did in front of thosepeople, you know, and so that
was bad. So the moral of that story is
what I, what I learned in that moment was we all heard the
phrase take the L and whenever we hear that, we always think of
take the loss. Yes, that's true.
But in addition to that, when I used to tell people, when I
started telling people, I actually built a pro dev brief

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off of this. Taking the L is more than taking
the loss. It's also taking the lesson.
So which eat with which with each loss, I also look at it as
what's the lesson in this? Maybe I sent out 100 emails.
I sent out a people could see myGmail about all the podcast
requests that I sent out each each week.

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You know, people only see the yeses, the people that actually
come on the show that might be two or three.
They don't see the 250 emails I sent out over the month to get
guests that I'm generally interested in speaking with.
But what I've, I don't see it asa three people said yes, 247
said no. I look it as OK, I had I'd sent

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out 250 emails. Three of them actually came on
the the show and I'm not going to do public math, but let's say
100 ghosts to me. No response period.
But then the remaining number, let's say whatever's left over
half of the that was people did respond back, but it was they
declined or you know, so then it's OK.

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So now I can look OK, they, they're not going to do my show,
but they at least respond to negative.
What did I send in that e-mail? How can I mimic that for the
next 250 emails that I send out?So now maybe all of a sudden the
next 250 that I send out, maybe 200 people respond versus
whatever number I just said. So they're like, OK, so those

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are losses. We're like, man, this sucks.
I'm not getting any. No one's coming on my show and
no one's coming on your show, but people responding.
And now that number of people responding is is increasing.
And then within that you start to get more yeses.
OK, so now what did I say? Now I have eight people that
said yes, what did I say in all these emails?

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And that's, so that's those are to me, that's the best example I
could come up with about how I've matured with, with my
thinking. Again, what's the what's the
lesson? OK, so let's let's go ahead and
jump into your actual story. Now let's go ahead and get into
it to your story because I got afeeling Miguel's going to ask
you another question about that.So go ahead and tell us take us

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back because I am interested to get into the actual podcast
piece, but take us back to like young Martin Foster, like your
upbringing, what your parents were doing and then you and I,
one of the things we've really connected with, especially
talking to each other on the. Side It's scary.
It's scary. Eerily similar our upbringings
that we have. So, if you don't mind, walk our

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audience through your upbringings and the challenges
you had to overcome at such a young age.
Yeah, I appreciate that. And I haven't had a really
chance to talk about this. I'm still working on how to
refine. You know that my answer to that
question, buddy. When exactly is your birthday?
I I know. What's our April 13th?
April 13th, 1982. OK, so you just turned 43?

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So I'll be 44 November, so there's hey.
We're young. We're young, though.
We're young. We're young, yeah, but bottom
line, there's six months betweenus.
But so. All right, So just to take it
back, my mom is from Germany. My dad was born and raised in
Virginia. My dad joined the Army.

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He didn't he didn't get drafted.He joined the Army I think in
the late 60s or or 70s. Get stationed in.
He did. He did.
He did not fight in Vietnam. My stepdad did, but my dad did
not. So my dad gets stationed in
Germany, meets my mom, they end up getting married and he was
there for a long time. I think he was there for like 4

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or five years or no, he was there for I think 8 years,
pretty much the majority of his his enlistment.
So meets my mom gets married. My my sister's born.
They my sister grew up in Germany.
The first six years of her life,from from 1975 to 1981, my dad

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gets gets orders to Lawton Ford Sill, which my mom was pregnant
with me and that's where I was born in November of 81.
So growing up, we never fit in. I'd never fit in just because we
were transplant. We weren't, we didn't have
family roots in Oklahoma. So I I never fit in.
My parents got divorced when I was 5 and my, and I remember I

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was five years old coming in my my dad coming into my room and
sitting at the edge of my bed totell me he was moving to
Virginia. And I didn't understand what
that, but I remember I, I didn'tunderstand what that meant at
the time, but I remember this. I remember this so vividly.
So my mom ends up meeting someone gets remarried at when I

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was I think 9 and I had a great relationship with my stepfather.
But flash forward, but my dad separated from the Army.
Well, I think he was, he was medically separated, medically
retired. So my, my dad had a brain tumor
and he died in August, August 31st of 1993.

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So every August 31st is always avery every year.
It's a very eerie, there's been,there's been years where I have
flowing on TD wise or vacation or whatever on that date.
And it always freaks me out because I'm like, man, what are
the odds of that? It's just, it's a date that it's
kind of like my Friday the 13th.So my dad died when I was 11 and

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he was 51 years old at the time.And then it's just just one of
those things, man. I mean, it's just just tough.
Might, you know, my dad died on the operating table and I think
I found out, actually found out on August 31st of 19, that same
day in 93, you know, didn't haveto go to school for the, for

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that week just to kind of, you know, just decompress and deal
with it. And so that was, I was in 6th
grade. And that's where my story lines
up with Bodie because at that same exact time, Bodie was 11
years old and his, you know, andI know Bodie, we've talked
about, you know, everything withyour dad. 9 July.

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Yeah, that's right. So it was like like, so our
dad's died roughly like 7. And 1/2.
Yeah, like, I mean, it's just I'm getting chills right now,
Bodie, you know, And I remember just because I didn't have
anyone to talk to and I didn't feel like we didn't have all
these friends. I mean, we had friends, but it's
just, it's just different, you know, we didn't have family to

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rely on. And then it was just, we had my,
my stepdad was great. So, you know, going through
junior high and all that, I got picked on a lot and I just had a
lot of problems, man. I had like with communicating
and just anger issues. And I started going to some
counseling, but I, I got to tellyou this story.

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So every school has that, that big kid, right?
The kid that like their broccolis or what I call it the,
the kid that like, how is this kid?
The kid looks like they're 25 and they're muscular, you know,
development and everything. But we had this guy, I won't say
his name, but in 8th grade he was 63 and like 200 lbs and had
a beard and he was 14. Like he was our age.

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But there's some people. But he was picking on me and 3rd
hour American government, government class with Miss Miss
Webb. And I remember I told him to
stop and he didn't. And he was like flicking like
spit balls at me. The desk weren't very big, but I

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remember I, I stood up and I grabbed the, the smaller desk.
It was the desk where they had like the trays to put your books
underneath. But the actual desktop is very
small. They didn't weigh very much.
But I picked it up and I threw it with all my might.
I wasn't very strong, but I picked it up and I threw it at
him in the middle of class. This guy was sitting down and he
caught it and I just froze and when it like it's 10.

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All this probably happened in the course of 30 seconds but
during the time I then sat down on my desk.
He walks back over carrying thisdesk and slams it down in front
of me and the teacher kicked me out of class.
I don't remember exactly what happened after that but I just
remember 2 hours later in fifth period English.

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He was a kid who sat right behind me, but nothing ever
happened. I mean, he could have punched me
and totally destroyed my face. And actually, I was not from
him, but I was scar on my nose from a separate story, maybe for
another time, where I was. I was jumped and I was hitting
the face with a baseball bat. Yeah, so.

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But I say all that because I hada lot of anger issues and I had
to transfer schools shortly after all this happened.
And during that time I started boxing and started wrestling
just to just to kind of help cope with a lot of these things.

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Flash forward to high school, you know, I did ROTCII wrestled
in high school. Again, just didn't fit in.
I was listening to, I was a guy that was listening to hip hop
just in Oklahoma. I mean, there were some people,
some military kids who listened,but for the most part, a lot of
kids weren't listening to hip hop.
And so again, I just, I was just, you know, just didn't fit

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in. I dressed differently, graduated
high school, went to College in the, in the, my hometown.
And then I was working three jobs.
I was working at, I was waiting tables at Outback Steakhouse.

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I was working at RadioShack and I was delivering newspapers two
of. Those three, our listeners don't
know what they are. I know, I know.
And then 9/11 happened. So I, I enlisted on or, you
know, went to the recruiter's office on September 13th of
2001. But because so many people were

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joining during that time, I didn't leave for basic until
November of 2002. While all this is happening, I
met, you know, my wife and, you know, we dated for a year and a
half and got married and then shortly after getting married,
left for basic training. And once I left for basic

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training, man, 23 years just flew by.
But yeah, so that's kind of whatI would say, the short version
of my story. But if there's specific
questions or specific things youwant to know more about, please
just ask. I'm not sure what you got.
I have a quick one for you, Martin, looking back at that
younger version of you, especially the version that and
and everything. OK, I I feel like the Rock, You

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know when he does Little Goose. Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's how I feel like listening to your story because
yeah, a lot of last 100% everything you said and that
we've talked about it on the phone.
I'm not going to rehash it here,but so many similarities between
our backgrounds, especially the bullion piece.
And I will say the one guy that bullied me the most hit me up

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with a Facebook request not too long ago.
And I'm petty. I didn't friend him so.
I'm at your mom's house right now, so like.
But but also I'm like, look, I've I've done good for myself,
right? I got a family, I got a daughter
that loves me. I've got good people surrounding
me. So now I don't need that, but

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what I was going to ask you is what would you say to that
younger version of yourself, that version of yourself that
probably dreaded going to school, dreaded going to third
period, was nervous as hell about going to 5th period.
What would you say to him? Man, I love that question.
You know, I, I think about this a lot and it's something I'll
ask a lot in my podcast is, you know, the advice, you know, what

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would you say to your younger self?
I caught like Quantum Leap's oneof my favorite shows.
So around that time I started watching Quantum Leap and I
became obsessed with that show and the whole, if you're not
familiar for anyone who's listening, the whole premise of
the show is just essentially time traveling, but back into
someone's body, their existence and writing a wrong or writing,

(29:49):
making something right that oncewent wrong.
But I always think about the things that I've said and done
because I've done some messed upthings to people like when I was
growing up too, that I wish I could go back and just rectify.
And I was dealing with a lot of trauma and a lot of things that
happened to me. But I, I would have told myself
one, projecting your trauma ontoothers is not is not OK.

(30:16):
It doesn't give you a pass, but what I would go back is there's
a quote that I heard a couple years ago from a, from a friend
of mine and I live in Dayton. What I would tell myself and I,
I can see it so clearly now is we don't grow despite the
storms. We grow because of the storms.

(30:36):
So I like looking back, I'm gladI had all the and I still had
trials and tribulations in my career that could be whole other
hour long podcast. But I'm glad I experienced all
those bumps in the road because of how it made me relatable and
how it made me stronger, more resourceful and resilient today.
But yeah, again, because I hate,I felt isolated, I felt alone.

(30:59):
I hated going to school. I felt, and it's I would tell
myself again also, it's OK to beunconventional because everyone
has like this direct path. You like, you got to do this and
you got to go to college and yougot to, you know, get a job.
And it's just like, man, that there are certain things I never
subscribed to and like, why? Why do I have to do that?
It's the Bray Wyatt theme that Iheard on the documentary that I

(31:20):
absolutely love. It's like in a world of black
and white, be red. That's right, I forgot.
About that, yeah. So, but again, I, I, it's a
quote that I remember a lot and I, I use it a lot in my episodes
as we don't grow the spite, the storms, we grow because of the
storms. You know, I think, you know, I
think we've all seen, there's been memes and stuff all over

(31:42):
the Internet. You know, easy to easy decisions
lead to a hard life. Hard decisions lead to an easy
life. So there's a lot of hard
decisions that I had to make with career wise, people wise,
relationship wise. It was hard but I I'm so
thankful for it now. So Martin, like I'm glad that

(32:04):
you said that, Charles and tribulations like really helped
you out when you progressed, right?
And so like say, maybe this question is for both of you.
So experiencing death at such anearly age they did that prepare
y'all like in the military a whole lot better or did like.

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Like. Experiencing death at such a
young age, like was it somethingthat was very useful for y'all
as y'all progress in your career?
Bodie, go ahead, man. Like, I'll let you go first.
That's a great question. I, I do think it, it, I, I
called that my, my Bruce Wayne moment when my father passed

(32:47):
away, because I mean it, it justgave me just incredible strength
that at the time I didn't see. And I, I think by joining the
military, you know, you, you're going to lose people in the
military. That's just that, that's a part
of our job. That's different than RadioShack
is that, you know, we, we lose members, unfortunately, the

(33:09):
suicide, we lose members to health conditions.
I mean, if you heard Chris Farrell's episode, you lose
people out on the battlefield. And I think it calloused me in a
way to, to going through a lot of that.
I mean, there was a guy I talkedto on a Friday and said, hey,
man, see you on Monday. And he committed suicide that

(33:29):
weekend. And that's hard.
But I had to find ways to I, I'dnever really learned how to deal
with my father's death. And it wasn't until Teresa and I
were dating and the day he passed away lined up on Teresa's
birthday and excuse me, the day he had his heart attack, June
23rd is the same day that's my wife's birthday.

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And it wasn't until she told me,you know, like I, I stood her up
on a date. We were supposed to go on a date
on her birthday and I stood her up when we were dating.
That's how I know she's an incredible woman because she
still stuck around with me afterthat.
But you know, she she kind of instilled it.
I mean, it's just, you know, you're going to lose people.

(34:11):
It's going to happen. But you, you got to move forward
and you got to take those thingsthat they taught you and put in
front of you and apply those everyday life.
And there's still things that today, you know, it's it's funny
because today there's still things that I do that are
because of my dad. But there's things that I've got
from my friendship with Martin and there's things that I've

(34:33):
gotten from my friendship with Miguel.
And there's friends things that I've gotten from all these other
people. And we don't realize we do them
every single day. But when someone passes away,
then it becomes apparent to us we're like, Oh my gosh, that is
so Martin right there, what I just did.
But I really got to see that with my dad and a lot of the
things he did and it it did, it got me ready for the military

(34:54):
because it made me know that, you know, you can't take time
for granted. Everyone's got an expiration
date. We just don't know when.
As morbid as that sounds and youknow it, it just really made me,
between losing him and losing mysister, it made me value time
that I get with people, whether it's sitting and all.
If I work with someone and I'm like, man, this is the best

(35:15):
y'all know how it is. You get the best work
relationship ever. Oh, a group of people and you're
like, this is going to end. Like it's going to end.
It's this chapter is going to die and I'm going to go
somewhere else. So it kind of helped prepare me
for that. So I think that's a great
question. That's a great question.
Yeah. You know, I one thing I, I think

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I didn't learn realized until later on it helped me.
One is some I, I still visit my,my dad's younger brother at
Virginia and call him on the phone and we talked.
But it, I guess just by my personality, things that I do,
because I'll sometimes go two orthree years without talking to
someone and then I'll just, I would just show up at their

(35:58):
house just randomly just to hangout and stuff like that.
And it just, I like surprising people or calling them out of
the blue, you know, And I, and I've done that to my uncle many,
many times. I'll just show up at his house
randomly and he lives six hours away.
But I remember on one of those times I, I did that and he
talked about how my dad was known for that.
My dad, my dad's side of the family did OK and wife.

(36:23):
But my dad was always kind of like the black sheep in the
nomad where he would just pick up and leave and just not talk
to people for years. Not because there was a grudge
or anything. It's just he would just do his
own thing and wander and then come back out of nowhere where
I've I've always had that kind of spirit in me.
Another thing I didn't realize, not that this is much really

(36:45):
related to death, but so I went to tech school for, for Morse
code. I went, my textbook was two
different parts. I went to Morse code school in
Fort Utuca, Arizona. And then the second part of that
was signals analysis in Pensacola, FL.
But I didn't know this until I was a Morse code school that my
dad was a Morse code op in the Army way back in the day.

(37:06):
Just it's just weird how life life is funny.
That's crazy. Yeah, but here's the biggest
thing where I said the biggest lesson.
What helped me, what helped me realize what my dad taught me.
My dad was 51 years old when he died.
I'll be 44 this year. So I remember thinking last
year. So I was not involved to
interview for a job last last year.

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And this is right after I got back from AFSA.
So that Monday or that Tuesday, right, I took the interview on 4
hours notice and the the person I was interviewing with was
late. And then during that interview,
I was not involved to interview for this job, but it still took
the interview showed up on time,I prepared for the interview, I
researched the member, I just read different things.

(37:52):
I had talking points I was goingto give and I was going to get
my best shot. The interviewer was not very
nice to me. In fact, you could say maybe
they were disrespectful, but I remember just thinking like at
that moment, like, what is my end goal here?
And a few weeks later was August31st.

(38:14):
And that morning I remember talking to my wife about life,
you know, and just I, I, this iswhen the retirement thoughts
like first circulated in my head.
All of a sudden, clearly I hit the retire.
So I that's when I started toying with the idea of
retiring. And then I hit the button on one
November a few months later and here we are.

(38:38):
My point with all that is I remember thinking just just
being alone in my thoughts. If I knew like there was
something about, and this is right before I turned 43 last
year, but I was down to single digits before right when we get
down to 51. So if I knew I was going to die
51, how would I want to spend mylife the rest of that time?

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How would I want to spend those 7-8 years?
As much as I love the military, the Air Force, I owe everything
to the Air Force. The Air Force has been
incredible for me. I love the United States Air
Force, but I gave 23 years if I knew I was going to die in seven
or eight years, I don't want to spend the rest of my days in the
Air Force. I if I knew I was going to die,

(39:22):
and I think like most people would probably agree to this.
If you knew you were going to die in seven or eight years, how
would you you have to ask yourself, how do I want to spend
that time? I would think most people would
say probably with their family or depending on their situation,
chasing after those goals. So it made me think about my dad
a lot. Like if my dad at age 44 knew he

(39:42):
was going to die at age 51, how would he want to spend that
time, you know? So I think that's a lesson that
my dad inadvertently taught me indirectly.
Yeah, and I know for me too, I struggled with the reaching his
age. So he was He was 42 years old

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when he passed away, just turned42.
But it's also at the time you got a factor in early 90s
smoking, drinking, fitness wasn't a thing.
No seatbelts, no seat, like justway of life in general.
I mean, everybody breathes second hand smoke in each
other's face on. Airplanes.
And restaurants and on every, everywhere you went.

(40:28):
Like just now someone's 42 yearsold and they're really young.
They can be really young becauseof, I mean, just all this stuff
that's out there and this, this knowledge.
But I'm, I'm curious when you start getting closer to 51.
And this isn't a question because I do have a follow up
question, but I'm curious how your mentality is going to be

(40:50):
because when you, you start talking about his, the date he
passed away and his, his age. Perhaps the biggest struggle I
had in my entire life that impacted my family deeply and it
impacted me personally and professionally was when I was
approaching my father's age. And that was when I had the

(41:10):
darkest probably moment of my entire life was at that time
because it just mentally just really messed with me.
So I think you got the right mindset though, like live, live
your live your days out. Like, do it.
Like, you know, that's how most people should.
That's how you know, you really sort of, you know, Greek
Stoicism, that's the way of doing things.

(41:32):
My question for you is, you mentioned because of 9/11, a lot
of people say they join because of 9/11 or 9/11 motivated him.
But if 911 never takes place, what road do you think you end
up going down? Do you still join the military?
Yeah, so I you know the so my retirement ceremony was actually
four months ago today. Wait, today it was May 8th, so I

(41:54):
guess four months ago tomorrow. But but I've had lunch and I
still have met up with people and I actually just shaved today
for this podcast. I wanted to look fresh for you
guys. But but I still, I shave like
maybe every three to four days just 'cause I don't like facial
hair, I don't like, I look good with it.
I still get like a fresh haircut.

(42:15):
I used to get one probably everynine to 10 days.
I now I'd probably go 2 weeks. But I still like to have a good
fade just because I feel like I'm at my best and I feel my
best when I have a fresh cut. It just something like I feel
good. I like it.
But I've had people ask me how come you're not letting your
hair grow out? Where's your beard?

(42:37):
I've had the same haircut since probably high school.
So even when I was waiting tables, everyone thought I was
AGI because I'm from Fort Sale, big army town.
So everyone thought I was in thearmy even before I joined the
military, even before I decided to join the military.
But I, I think I would have joined just because regardless
and actually did try to join. I tried to get into the Navy

(42:59):
before 911, but something, something happened with the
recruiter's office and maybe they switched out and somehow
they just, I got lost in the sauce.
And I don't remember exactly what happened, but I can
remember my first time going to the recruiter's office was in
1995 going to the Navy office because I just thought the Navy

(43:21):
sounded cool. But I, I, I think I was destined
for the military. I think there's something, and
even now, and I'm sure you guys contested this, the amount of
people that we're joining now that are in their 30s, it's,
it's crazy. Like when I was going through
basic and, and tech school and all that, I think I was 22.
So I was one of the older guys Now.

(43:41):
I mean, there's, there's people joining in their like their 30s.
Yeah. So I, I think so whether I join,
you know, in 2001, if I didn't do it, if 911 never happened, I
probably wouldn't have joined innine in 2001 or 2002.
I probably would have joined like in 2007 or something.
But I, I think I still would have joined just because I,

(44:05):
there was something about the appeal of the military and just
the ability to travel and just do something else.
And the town that I was in, it'sjust a dead end town.
I, I mean, it's just, there's just no growth.
There's no opportunity. And I like when I was waiting
tables, there was not, there's anything wrong with this.
But you know, there's a lot of guys in their 30s and even their

(44:26):
40s, like they were waiting tables.
And like, that was just, I was like, man, is that, is that what
I want? You know, I just, yeah.
So I, I, I would have, I would have done something, I would
have moved out of my town, most likely join the military.
I'm also an actor. So if I didn't join the
military, I probably would have moved Hollywood and try to go

(44:48):
all in on that. Nice little plug there for your
acting career. My if I ask a follow up
question. Do it.
So you said that your dad was like a nomad wanderer, right?
And so you said you're you're, you feel the same way for
yourself. You think joining the military

(45:09):
is a form of you and your dad's way of putting structure in your
wandering minds or wandering life that's.
That's good, man. That's good.
But Miguel, that's really good. I think so because I think
everyone needs some form of structure.
It's just how do you, how do youdetermine what that structure
looks like for the for you? But yeah, I I never thought

(45:31):
about it like that, but that that makes really good.
That makes sense. I think more than anything it's
just it's just a way to search for meaning, just a way to break
up the routine, just to explore different options.
But yeah, that's I never thoughtabout like that.
And many of our listeners probably don't know, like,

(45:52):
there's a lot of structure in the military, but there's also a
lot of creative freedom. And so that's why like people
like. US compared to when you joined.
So like now, like, you know, with us, like, you know, being
able to do these things, like even though we still serve and
you, Martin, you were doing it when you were still serving,
like you still fulfilled that type of passion while still

(46:12):
having structure in your life, right?
Yeah, you know, and I think I've, I've, I've always, even in
the military, I felt like an outcast at times and I felt just
different than a lot of people. Like I've been able to do things
my way and in the right way, butit hasn't been a conventional
path. But yeah, it's just, I think,

(46:36):
and there's been times where people told me like, you need to
do, you know, XYZ. And I'm like, well, why I don't
want to do it like that or I don't care if that's the end
result is this. That's that's that doesn't
matter to me. So I think, yeah, I just, I
think I still have in my own my own way in the military, just
being a nomad, just in terms of doing things differently, taking

(46:58):
that off beaten path. And even with my podcast, I've
had so many people tell me aboutmy podcast.
You need to niche down or you need to focus on these specific
topics. Why?
Because of the seven other million podcasts that do it that
way. Like for me, I feel like I'm a
nomad with my podcast in a way too, because I have guests on

(47:19):
lately, I've had a lot of military people on.
There's been some non military people on as well.
But I just I read about people or I hear about someone and it
just interests me. So it's like, I want to go check
that out some while everyone's turning right.
I want to turn left and just follow this road and see what
happens and just talk to the people whose stories I find

(47:39):
interesting. So yeah, that's really good,
Miguel. My good job on that question.
Question Speaking of the passingthe torch.
So my question for you is, you mentioned with your upbringings,
the bullying, the, you know, thethe probably self doubt you had,
lack of self-confidence, whatever you want to call it.

(48:03):
I find it interesting because going through some of the same
stuff that when the military affords you a lot of
opportunities and, and Mike Miguel says, you know, there's
that structure that's in place, but also it allows you to kind
of be you in your own unique way.
And one of the ways it does thatis how you lead people.
It is you can very like I'm, I'min a situation now where I can,

(48:26):
I've seen a group of young soldiers and airmen sitting
around and I'm like, God, I needto mentor them more.
I need to at least offer it to him and provide it to him and
pull him to the side. And there's one kid in
particular that he, he's a soldier and he's just absolutely
incredible. And he and I have just we, it
started where I was like, who the hell is this guy?

(48:47):
He needs to be shaped up. And then we had a couple of
conversations and now he's he's one of my favorite young airmen
slash soldiers I've ever interacted with.
He's just absolutely incredible.He just needed someone to, like
you said, pass the torch. So it's hard for me to put into
perspective of the Dang, I was getting my ears flicked and

(49:08):
bullied and pushed in the hallway and all this and now
people are actually following meand listening to me.
So who who was the first person that you had that passing the
torch moment to and how did it make you feel, especially
knowing you probably had a lot of that self doubt and
insecurities growing up? Are you talking about like like

(49:31):
like with my podcast or just like someone talking?
About in the military. You joined the military.
You you left shortly after 911. You join the military and now
it's like, Oh my gosh, people actually are listening to me.
People are following me. People are heeding my advice.
Oh, like, so I, I, I think this answered what the realize the,

(49:56):
the moment I realized not so much, but my podcast, but just
with things that I do, because I've always done things that
don't get highlighted. You know, I've been a lightning
rod for some criticism too, right?
I think anyone that grows up andgoes into a leader leadership
position, there's always going to be people that critique you
just because that's their easy fall back.

(50:17):
But with that people, never, they never, they'll tell you the
bad, but they'll never tell you the good things that you know,
they don't, that you do that, you know, I purposely don't
shine a light on. But I remember in March of 2020
when everything with COVID was happening, there was AI was AI

(50:39):
had a leadership position withinthe squadron, the squadron, I
think it was like roughly 200 people, maybe 2:20.
So this isn't so much like with the podcast, but just things
that that the small actions thatwe the small actions, something
small that I did had a longest long lasting impact.
So I pulled the alpha roster because at least in Hawaii,

(51:02):
Hawaii was locked down. I mean, it was super strict in
Hawaii in terms of, I mean, thisis right at the beginning COVID.
So I, I went down flight by flight and on the second day I
was calling like just each member on the flight and it was
awkward. I'm cold calling, cold calling
people just asking, how are you?What can I do?

(51:25):
Do you need, do you have supplies?
You know, what can I do to support you, your family,
whatever. And not just junior ranking
people all ranks, but again, I had a leadership position like I
just, I felt compelled to do this.
Some people thought it was weirdand awkward, but I was like, you
know what, you don't know? Like sometimes I think invasive
leadership is OK because you never, it's sometimes it's the
only choice. So there's one person I talked

(51:49):
to who I knew fairly well. And that conversation, I could
tell something was off. It just, it was just, and this
is someone I worked with for like 2 years.
So I'd it was very obvious. So I immediately got off the
phone or once we got off the phone, I called that member
supervisor and I said, hey, you need to call your guy.
Something just seems off. 30 minutes later that flight chief

(52:13):
calls me back and says, hey, youknow Foster.
Yeah, talked it out with this person.
They're having a hard time struggling with everything going
on because we weren't allowed togo to work.
So we had to like you had one week off essentially there
because you couldn't tell it work with Intel.
So but some people like their whole identity was work.

(52:35):
So when they that was their structure and everything so that
people didn't know how to deal. Just remember, had some other
problems too in his personal life.
So it just kind of compounded. So again, the flight chief
called me, said I talked to him.Yeah, he said he's just been
depressed, but he's good. He said he's good now
everything's good. All right, cool.

(52:57):
So later on that night, or I guess technically the next
morning around 2:30, I get a phone call.
This person that checked himselfinto a hospital because they
said they wanted to commit suicide.
But the reason why they did commit suicide was because I
called them that day. When I called them, they had

(53:18):
just finished writing their suicide letter.
I had no idea of knowing that. Who would?
How would I know that? But I just again, just those
small things that we do that or like any leader could do that.
You don't realize the impact that you could have on someone
that small, that small 5 minute phone call and the flight chief

(53:41):
did an amazing job because I think that like the and I
remember, I forget this exact detail.
The the flight chief also felt like something was off and told
the member, hey, before like made a made a pact with the
person. If you think about doing
anything stupid, please just call me first or text me.
And, you know, that's what the guy did when he got to the

(54:01):
hospital, he texted that flight chief and you know, so, but so
that was kind of like, just like, oh man, like there's
moments that that we're creatingwith people that we don't
realize that could have, you know, significant impacts.
I hope that answers the question.
I don't know if that meets the intent.

(54:22):
No it does and I I can 100% relate.
I, I, it's like I said the more you talk the crazier it is how
much we sync up and do the same thing.
I, I cold call people, I Facebook people randomly.
I they may think it's weird, butto me it's just checking up on
people. Yeah, but and that person's
doing well now. They're doing well.

(54:43):
They're, they're, they're actually separated from the
military and they're, but they're doing well in their, in
their business. You know, I've always had this
theory that one of the best things that terrorist suicide is
to build trust. Yeah.
And I think that 5 minute phone call built even just like minute

(55:04):
amount of trust enough for them to stop themselves from doing
it. And like, most people don't
understand that, you know what Imean?
Yeah. So like, but which leads to my,
my next question, because I, it feels like the common theme that
I'm seeing with both of you guysis that with everything that
y'all went through, y'all decided that one of the ways

(55:27):
that you're going to deal with it is to help people out, right?
And so, so say in the, in that instance, right, that's your way
of dealing with the stuff that you went through.
Is that, is that the best acceptable way of getting

(55:49):
better? If you don't really know how to
get better with the things that you went through is just to help
people out. I think that's one way, you
know, it's OK for people to not be OK, but I strongly believe
it's not OK to stay that way if we're just like for people to
dwell in, in their misery or their, their sad state.

(56:11):
It's, it's tough, but you have to do something to just work
your way out of that situation. But I think for me, yes, it's,
it helps. I feel better helping out other
people. I, I think there's just
something about it that I don't know.
I think it's almost kind of likea, it's therapy.

(56:33):
It's, you know, you don't need to advertise it or brag about
it, but just just doing something and not doing it for
any type of transaction, just doing it just because you want
to help someone's, someone's day.
Like, I don't know, it could, itcould I, I think it creates A
domino effect and creates more positive momentum.

(56:55):
But I know for me, I, I feel LeeEllis was on my podcast.
He was a Vietnam POW. He wrote the book Leading with
honor. He's one of the main reasons why
I started my podcast. I was able to record the podcast
with him actually two years ago at AFA on September 11th.

(57:18):
And the man, if you ever read his, just read about him.
You don't even have to read his book.
Just read about him and all the things he was a POW for for
years and years. But he talked about when he was
released, he didn't hold grudgesagainst his captors.
And there's a quote he says in the episode that's freeing.

(57:39):
He talks about freeing yourself from trauma that that, you know,
that keeps you bound. And you can't essentially, like
you can't, you can't move on if you're there has to be
something. You have to move.
Like you can't improve, you can't heal if you're just
holding on to that grudge in thepast.
And that really stuck with me, too, because I'm like, this man

(58:01):
was just tortured for five yearsand he doesn't hold grudges
against, you know, his his captors.
But yeah. What do you think, Bodie?
I like that question because that's something I've had a
conversation with my wife about and probably just my wife.

(58:22):
I think because of my leadershipstyle, I think involves more so
around my sister's passing to mydad's.
I think with my my dad taught me, sit someone down after
they're having a bad day and have a conversation.
I remember I got bullied James BEdwards Elementary school in
Charleston, SC. I got bullied because I was a

(58:44):
Tar Heel fan and Clemson and South Carolina were about to
play each other and someone at lunch said this is a true
freaking story. Only 5th graders this crap
happens. Someone said Clemson and
Carolina play each other this weekend and I said correction
Clemson played Carolina 3 weeks ago and they were referring to
South Carolina. I've never my life heard South

(59:06):
Carolina referred to as Carolina.
So when I jumped in, that put a bull's eye on me with these
kids. And yeah, I started getting
bullied. I remember I got into a fight,
was about to get into a fight with one of them.
And my dad brought me home and set me down on the steps and had
a conversation with me. And we just talked.
And he told me he had my back. Regardless of what happened,

(59:27):
he's got my back. And we had a lot more of those
conversations. And this was probably four or
five months before he passed away.
But he taught me to sit down andjust have real talk with people
and you know, nothing, hold nothing back, to be honest.
But I've the thing I've noticed about leadership that I think
it's been therapeutic for me is I felt a lot of guilt when my

(59:49):
sister passed away and I felt like I could have done more to
help her out. There was a lot of warning signs
there. There was a lot of things going
on with her. There was drugs, was alcohol,
there was suicidal ideations, was a lot of stuff, but.
I and, and this was probably because I'm a father of a 17
year old, soon to be 18 year oldand I love my wife to death.

(01:00:10):
I get very protective over females.
I look out for females, I watch out for females.
If I see a struggling female airmen, I'm like, I got you, I'm
going to help you out whatever you need.
I got you, I got you. And I do the same with guys as
well. But last my wife, I was like,
why is it that I, I get along better with females and I have

(01:00:33):
more issues with the men? She's like, it's probably
because you, you lost your sister, you've got a 18 year old
daughter and then you got girls in the military that are 1819
years old that are my daughter'sage.
And I see them struggling and I'm like, I would want someone
to be me and help them out if they're in these situations as
well. And then, you know, I think

(01:00:53):
about it too, Everybody we're helping out, that's somebody's
kid. That's somebody's child that has
been sent to the military to Paris.
We're probably nervous as hell. They go there that's also
somebody elses husband that's also somebody elses wife that's
also somebody'd parent probably that's struggling.
So when you help them out, I mean it's just you're not just
helping them out, you're helpingothers out as well.

(01:01:15):
But I think man Miguel is comingwith some.
I know man. Questions today.
Miguel got his. He's doing his masters in the
art of interviewing man, that's.Yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah, the, the flex with the master's degree.
My, my question for you, Martin,is, you know, as we we start to
like 'cause I want to kind of wind down the military peace.
And I think we, we've really unpacked a lot of stuff here.

(01:01:37):
Taking it from a different anglebefore we get into your podcast,
you get up there and you do yourretirement ceremony back in May.
And I, I'm not going to lie, I've visualized like what my
retirement ceremony is going to look like.
I want to play the 30 for 30 theme.
I just think it would be so fitting to have that kind of
like a slideshow going but. Real quick on that, I made a

(01:01:57):
like a disc video, if you want to call it that, of someone of
my my closest friends. Like five years ago.
I made a video mocking them and I did it to the 30 for 30 theme
with like the music and everything.
And it's with the cuts, yeah. We we are literally separated
at. Birth.
Remind me. I'll send it to you.
I'll send it to you. But no, like, so you get up
there, you do your retirement, and I like the way you did your

(01:02:19):
retirement ceremony too. It wasn't all as serious as
everything. I mean, like, you added some
humor in there and stuff. My boss was thrown out.
Slim Jims and doing macho man quotes.
I I loved it. I loved it.
And but my thing is you finish, the mic is off, you walk off the
stage, you, you do the farewellswith everybody.
And then you, you know, you either go back home or you get

(01:02:40):
in the car and it's just silenceand quiet.
What goes through your mind? Like how do you make that
transition from Chief Foster to civilian BTZ Martin Foster?
So it's funny you asked that because my ceremony happens.
It was beautiful, it was perfect.
I wouldn't have changed anything. 10 out of 10 people

(01:03:01):
are showing me love. And then, you know, it ends and
actually hung out for a little bit afterwards just to kind of
be in the moment. And the Air Force Museum was
actually closing up at this time.
So there wasn't a lot of people patrons and walking around at
that time. But like this the last time,

(01:03:22):
probably going to be in my uniforms, my service dress and
all that. So again, I'm just relishing the
moment, just taking it in and asI'm walking out and I'm in my
service dress, this is so fitting.
And I wouldn't have changed thisfor anything.
The funniest thing happened as I'm and I'm walking by myself
because I told my wife, I said, hey, I just want to, I want to
be by myself right now. I just need some time to kind of

(01:03:43):
think about this. And my wife, we had a like a big
party for all my out of town guests that night and stuff like
that. So my wife left to go set that
up. But again, I'm walking out of
the museum and this is so fitting.
It's so funny I get stopped by this guy who probably retired in

(01:04:07):
the 80s or in the early 90s. I mean dude was old and he
stopped me to like complain about the Air Force to talk
about what what's he literally stopped me to say and he's with
his wife says what is wrong withwhat are y'all doing?
Or he says, I don't like what's happening with with my Air Force

(01:04:29):
today. You guys like why are you
changing the PT standards? And you know, was this on the
the NCO page or was this in reallife?
I swear to God no. This happened to me walking out
like this happened to me walkingout.
I'm being 100% sarcastic. No, Yeah, yeah.
So this, I'm walking out like out of the, and I don't know if
you guys have been to the Air Force Museum, but I'm walking

(01:04:49):
out of like the, the, you know, the main hangar where they do a
lot of things. But I'm just walking down like
this somewhat of a ramp. And this guy stopped and I, you
know, I, I got my chiefs, I got my stripes on.
I honestly thought he was going to, you know, I got my service
code and I, I thought he was going to say something like nice
or whatever, right? He's, he's complaining about

(01:05:10):
their just stop me randomly to voice his grievances about the
Air Force with me, right? And he talked and then he says
then he I don't, he was just going in about you guys are so
woke now. I mean this all is like a 2
minute conversation, but he's just getting in his zingers.
Like he, he was just waiting forsomeone and he just couldn't
wait to get like unload. And if it didn't happen to me,

(01:05:32):
it was going to happen as like Miguel at the BX or something
during life. So it was going to happen to
whoever this guy ran into right?And he's just going off on me.
And all I said and it just all Isaid to him was like, Hey Sir, I
I appreciate your service. Thank you for all that you've
done. And then I just walked off,
right. But it was just such a fit.

(01:05:53):
Like I had this beautiful ceremony, this I mean, it was
attended by hundreds and hundreds of people.
It was a 10 out of 10. It was this beautiful moment, 23
years. And it's just like this guy.
This is, you know, it just it makes me laugh and I don't know
if I would. I'm glad.
I don't know. I would.
I don't know if I would have it any different.
Like it was just just funny thatthis guy just had to get his

(01:06:15):
grievances out and I just happened to be the person that
you know, who drew the lucky straw.
Why was? He even at the museum if he's
that discrimble. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
But it's just, I'm sorry, I got sidetracked.
What? What was the question?
No. I was, I was just basically
asking you like, what was how did it feel knowing like it's
all done? Refreshing, you know, it didn't

(01:06:38):
hit me because I've still like over the the couple months after
that, I still had my VA appointments.
I would still, you know, people would call me for lunch and and
I would still get invited to other ceremonies.
So I was still around just in civilian clothes.
And this is when it hit me was later in June when I went to the
Ohio calls at the BMV instead ofthe DMV.

(01:07:00):
But when I went to get my Ohio driver's license and getting the
new license plate for my car. That's except that this whole
time I've been in the military, I've always had Oklahoma license
plates. Now I'm going to plant roots
here in Dayton, so I'm going to hire a resident now, but that's
kind of when it hit me as randomas that is just putting on my

(01:07:21):
license plate. And then it hit me again when on
on last Monday, September 1st, because that was one of my
terminal leave started because now it's man it's just a
terminal leave. I am on term like a some action
terminal leave. My fact that dates not until 1N
but but it feels good. I'm glad it did it.

(01:07:46):
I was a guest on a podcast the other day and I was asked a
similar question. You know, knowing that the thing
that instantly came to mind was I can't believe I did that 23
years, man like God, it's crazy,but it feels good.
I'm glad it did it. I would 100% do it all over it
again, but I felt like I left when I was on top and I I think

(01:08:07):
you got to know. I don't want to be that stand up
comic that, that stays on stage,you know, 5 minutes too long.
So I, I felt like if it's, if it's not now, I don't know when
it's going to be. But yeah, I, I felt, I felt at
peace. Mentioned At Peace, you had to
get a little plan in place. You have finished your military

(01:08:30):
career and now you actually kindof got the wheels turning on
this before you even retired. 2018, is that right?
That's when you started passing the torch.
January, January 7th, Yep, 2018 and.
Just to put some context into that for people who are
listening, the podcast boom was like 2000.

(01:08:51):
It was 2000, excuse me, 2020 during COVID.
So shortly after COVID, people were locked in their houses.
They had nothing to do. They were annoyed with the
people that they've committed tobe with the rest of their lives
and they had to find some sort of outlet and they turn to
podcasting. And podcasting like 2021-2022

(01:09:12):
was kind of what you were talking about earlier, like that
peak attitude era that that was my laundry's done.
If you didn't hear that, but that was that peak moment for
podcasting was during that time frame.
You were ahead of the curb. You got that started before
anybody else. And so my question to you is,

(01:09:34):
because I do want to unpack the,the podcast here for a little
bit. What was the genesis of Passing
the Torch? How'd you come up with the name
and the concept for that podcast, especially before
everybody else was doing it? So I kind of quick, what drove
me to start the podcast was in 2014, I actually started, I, I
still am a huge sports buff and I fanatic won a lot of sports

(01:09:57):
trivia contest and all that. And I used to travel like all
these different places and I started a sports podcast and I
was getting some pretty good guests on that sports podcast.
But it, sports is hard to do because you basically have to do
it 24 hours a day. So I, it wasn't sustainable, but
I, I, I was into podcast at thattime.
I started listening to podcasts probably 2010, 2011, 2012,

(01:10:21):
something around there. But kind of what the the first
spark for me was the fact that Ibasically went back-to-back
assignments 7 years of my careerwhere I was just lost and I was
at this is my NCO years, my E5 E6 and I didn't have a mentor and
I was surrounded by people who probably weren't the best

(01:10:41):
leaders, weren't the best shining examples.
And I was just logging for mentorship and there would be
people I could reach out to and people I did talk to you where I
had these amazing these one off conversations with.
And I'm like, man, I wish I could go back to that
conversation and watch it or listen to it all over again.

(01:11:02):
So I would, I found myself constantly reaching out to
people that I had those one off conversations with and asking
them to recap like, hey, what did you tell me 3 years ago?
And you know what, you know, as any advice changed at the same
time, there would be people who are reaching out to me for
advice at different, you know, from different bases that I had
connected with that we were units together at some point.

(01:11:23):
So that's kind of like what started like, hey, what are like
in my mind, I'm thinking like, what can I do to bring this all
together? And then it's kind of clicked
on. It clicked for me on December
31st of 2017. I was at a New Year's Eve party
like most people were, were enjoying some drinks, having a
good time. I was eating St. tacos.

(01:11:44):
Everyone's talking about the resolutions and I definitely was
into developing. And I just, I remember in 2014,
for everyone that I supervised, I started writing personal
development plans 2:00 to 3:00 to outlines for every single
person that I supervise based onconversations I had with them.
And it wasn't like like, you know, hey, Bodie, you got to

(01:12:05):
follow this in order to get, youknow, firewall five.
It was just, hey, Bodie, based on the talks we have, this is
how I can picture you growing over the next three years by
following these things in these same categories.
Or Miguel, I know that you want to work on school or something
like, here's the plan. Here's my idea of how I can help
guide you to figure out a way todo that or whatever, right.

(01:12:29):
These plans would be 20 to 30 pages and I would sit down with
each person and go over it. And I, I started investing a lot
of my personal time into people and thought and energy started
out with one person, then all ofa sudden I'm supervising 7 ended
up writing something like 45 over the years, 45 personal
development plans for people over the course of four to five

(01:12:52):
years, positive feedback. And I, I mean, people loved it.
So then, so that's kind of what started putting the podcast
together. And then August 2017, I read the
book leading, Leading with Honorby Lee Ellis as part of a book

(01:13:12):
club. Probably the first book, I think
that extreme ownership of the first books that I've read and
since high school at that point,you know, and I graduated in
2000 and then New Year's Eve 2017, just talking about
resolutions. And I just said, I want to, I
want to do something that I can develop other people and develop

(01:13:33):
myself. And I remember telling people
I'm going to start a podcast. I didn't have a name.
People laughed at me at that party.
And people were mocking me. And like his people, I don't
know podcasts were around, but people said, I know exactly what
podcasts were. But people are making fun of me
and, you know, scoffing at me and dismissing it.

(01:13:53):
And a week later, General Jumper, the 17th Air Force chief
of staff, was on my podcast. The very first episode.
I didn't have a name for it. And then I knew I was on to
something. Three months later.
Episode 7, the Chief Master of the Air Force, K Wright, who was
about 14 months into his time was, was the guest on my

(01:14:14):
podcast. So that's kind of like what just
kept me going was the fact that right away I was able to land
like some big fish and realize, and I remember those download
numbers. I mean, so I, I haven't really
told a lot of people this, but the K Wright episode, I haven't
checked it in a while, but I remember then in 2018 had 90,000

(01:14:35):
downloads there. I did tell people then I haven't
shared that story a whole lot because there are the people
like, Oh yeah, right. Like you probably listen to it
90,000 times. I'm like, that's right.
I listen to a podcast 90,000 times.
Like people just don't want to give credit for that.
But I knew like that the impact and the reach that it had.
So, but that's just kind of whatstarted was it wasn't, and it's

(01:15:01):
still, I'm still learning, I'm still evolving, I'm still fine
tuning. It's still not a polished
product. It was very choppy, but I just,
I'm good. I, I said on again, I said on in
summary, I was like, I'm going to do this.
I on New Year's Eve on January 7th, I did.
And it's, it's crazy. And I realized that, you know, I

(01:15:22):
keep talking about the connection that it has, that it
has and I've been learning so much about myself and it's
helped me better connect with people.
I love it. You know, the first four years
of my podcast, I think just because of I got busy with work,
I think maybe I only did 20 episodes or something.
And then that from 2018 it's allthrough 22,022 I only did 20,

(01:15:48):
like 20 something episodes. 2023I did 19 episodes, 2024 I think
I did 22 episodes. And then this year, I think I'm
already at 25. So it's just it's, it's evolved
and continues to evolve, yeah. I have to say, Martin, you're

(01:16:09):
like the human version of You'llnever know if you don't try.
Yeah, yeah. You know, and, and again, like,
and at the time, I don't know ifthere was any other Air Force,
like really Air Force podcast, there might have been one or
two. And I remember there was this
guy that I was stationed with inHawaii who was because there
were people who told me like, you're not allowed to have the
chief master on the Air Force inyour podcast.

(01:16:30):
I'm like, why? Like what, Like, why can't I
have this? Like why?
You know, people were against it.
Obviously it happened. And he's been a guest actually
twice now in total. But there was someone else like,
well, he was on my podcast last year.
Well, that was an organization podcast.
A wing had a podcast that's different.

(01:16:51):
Like this was a personal on my own.
I was, I was recording in my closet because back then it was
strictly audio. But yeah, to my knowledge, there
might have been in Bodie probably maybe you know someone,
but I don't recall any other podcast at that time.
So I definitely felt like I was early.
But what I've done is what I've been, I haven't really put

(01:17:13):
myself out there up until maybe this year.
So I've had my podcast for a long time, you know, years.
I think Bodie talking to you know, like you've been at the
beginning of it a pioneer and years ahead.
But I just I I haven't been the best at putting myself out
there, but that's what my goal has been in 2025 and even more
in 2026. Well, I.

(01:17:34):
Think too, it's super time consuming and that's what people
don't understand is like it is very time consuming because even
like right now being really transparent, you know, it's like
930 on a Sunday. This episode comes out on
Monday. There's editing, there's cover.
Like we, we do a lot of our own stuff, yeah.
And I think that's the part thatpeople don't really see behind

(01:17:56):
the curtain is that you're scheduling guests.
You're. Yeah, preparing for guests.
You. Are they cover?
Yep. Posting to socials?
Researching. Yep.
Yeah, it's planning out ahead, like what we've got.
And then like, if something happens, like, you know, even
like for me with the shadows, I'm like, oh, I'll get to
sitcom. I have all this time to do my
podcast. These past two weeks have said,

(01:18:18):
no, you don't. And this is these are like the
two weeks where I really needed like, OK, I need time to do
that. But it it's very time consuming.
And then you also have life and you're committed to your family
and that balance is hard. It's very, very hard.
Yeah, and that's right. I kind of been, I've been, you
said something I think during the intro and I've been on a

(01:18:39):
roll 'cause I, I can feel and I feel like I got some good
movement going on just with the guests I've been able to have on
and the way I've been able to put out episodes.
There was even I've, I've, I've had some good success and I love
it. I feel like I'm helping people,
I'm making a difference and I make 0 money from this.

(01:19:00):
In fact, I spend a lot of money on this, but I do it because I'm
passionate and I feel, I know I'm, yeah, it is, you know,
it's, it's crazy, man. Like we're not.
Scrooge, my duck. No, like I get like I, I pay to
do this and it can be a contention point with my wife
sometimes, like when we start doing the family budget.

(01:19:20):
But yeah, I, I love it. It's I and the love and report
the love and support that I received from people.
You know, I get a lot of privatemessages, especially lately.
It's it's refreshing. Yeah.
So it just, it just motivates meto want to do more, help more.
And yeah, I'm excited just abouteverything that's happened to

(01:19:44):
this. I've been going at my own pace.
I know there's been other podcasts that like number wise
who maybe have more notoriety orbigger success, but that's not
how I measure success. I just, I feel organic,
authentic, I feel real. And I don't know man, I feel the
love and I just want to return that to everyone else.

(01:20:07):
So Martin, like just like this probably my last question for
you, because like you just been on it when it comes to
everything that you're saying, right?
So veteran's day, Veterans Month, right?
You've always talked. So I said that if you're like
the human version of you'll never know it until you try.
So give us your best advice whenit comes to trying what, what

(01:20:30):
advice can you give out there? Like people who want to join,
people who are still in, people who are contemplating of
retiring, Like what is your bestadvice for them about trying?
Just do, I mean, you know, my wife gave me one of the best
compliments I think last year just she was like, I love that
you just go out and you just do things.
And there's been times I've fallen on my face, but man,

(01:20:53):
would you hit something, man? God, it's such a great feeling.
I would tell people more than anything, some it's just
sometimes it's just about the like at the worst case thing
they can happen is like, you know, it'll cost you some gas
money. You'll, you might lose some
money. You have to buy yourself lunch
that day or something. Or you know, it'll cost you your

(01:21:14):
time. It might cost you something, but
at the very least you're going to get a cool story out of
something. And I don't know, I, I, when I
tell people, like I get scared all the time and nervous about
things, but think about the feeling on the other side of
that fear. You just have to breakthrough

(01:21:36):
that. And there's been so many times
where I've, I mean, I, there's so many stories I have that I
wouldn't even know where to start.
But yeah, I just the amazing, the the euphoric feeling you're
going to get on the other side of that of that fear is
something that's man, you can't,you can't replace, you can't,

(01:21:57):
you can't buy. I want to switch my legacy
question up for you and ask you because you have, I mean, going
back to 2018, you're, you're episode 92 right now.
That's the one you just released?
Yeah. And yeah, so I have 93 coming
out with Kim Casey Campbell thisand I tried to release on 3rd

(01:22:19):
Thursday's been my my tempo. But there there's no sign of you
slowing down, so you're going tobe pumping out more episodes.
Come in, you know everybody's way.
Please make. Sure I can't wait till I can't
sorry I can't sorry hold that and I can't wait to see you but
anyway I got I got some big onesman go ahead finish your thought
but. That's what I'm getting at.
You like you got incredible guests.
I mean, you have you've had KurtWarner for crying out loud in,

(01:22:42):
in my opinion, I'm a Cardinals guy.
So that man almost won us a Super Bowl.
So I mean just incredible who all you've had.
But from a legacy standpoint, one of the things I really
wanted to do when I started podcasting was I wanted to have
something to wear. I, I've, I've never said this
before. I had this little cassette tape,
you know, some little old cassette tapes you take and you

(01:23:04):
put it in your pocket or you take to the bottom of the desk
to record be you record someone's conversation like in
the 80s and 90s. Well, I have some of my dad's
cassette tapes, like 2 of them, but I'm not going back and
listen to them. And I also have some VHSS.
This is aging myself, but those were a big deal at RadioShack
back in the day. But I have recordings of my dad

(01:23:26):
so I can go back and hear his voice and to me, just to hear it
and to hear how he talks and howhe laughs.
I can still hear how he coughs. I mean, it's just, it's it.
It gives me goosebumps even thinking about it.
I don't know when my expiration date is, but in case anything
had ever happened to me, I wanted to create something such

(01:23:46):
as the Shadows podcast to where my daughter or my wife could go
back or even my grandchildren can go back and be like, Oh my
gosh, that's my grandfather interviewing such and such.
That's my dad. I get to hear my dad's voice and
our podcast all revolve around positive.

(01:24:07):
If you listen to an episode of the Shadows podcast and this is
very unapologetic, or if you listen to Passing the Torch, any
one episode and you have 0 takeaways, you, you did not get
it. You just did not because
everybody's story has something you can learn from.
So that's one of the reasons I created the shadows too, was to
give Becton something to, to listen to 30 years from now,

(01:24:29):
because these episodes all are still going to be out there.
If, if, if nude pictures of people don't disappear Shadows
podcast and and passing the torch ain't going anywhere
either. So the the question for you is
when someone listens to passing the torch 30 years from now and
they're in a they're in a situation where they really need
something positive. They need some help.

(01:24:52):
What is that one episode where you're like, you know what?
That is the the one I'm most proud of.
Not I don't want to take any away from the guest because the
guests are amazing and you know how it is.
You're never going to admit which guest is your best and
which. But what is the one in terms of
the way you delivered the questions, the way you delivered
the message, the way you went about that episode that you were

(01:25:13):
like, I want my grandkids to listen to this one.
Yeah, that's a great question. You know, and I've one thing
I've so I've had some like bigger name people, notable name
people on my podcast, but I've also had my daughter's been a
guest on my podcast three times.So it's kind and it's always
typically around centered around.
You should do this with your daughter, Bodie Miguel.
Same for Miguel. You have kids, right?

(01:25:36):
I do. I have two.
Yes, right. Yeah, that's right.
Remember, I saw the pictures, right?
Yeah. So I think, you know, so I have
my daughter on for a month of the military child and she's
been on three times. So I actually, I will go back
and listen to those episodes andit's a time capsule.
You can hear the voice difference and the thoughts.
So I'm proud of those episodes. The General John Jumper, there's

(01:25:58):
a couple I want to talk about the John Jumper just because,
and I've had my friends on too. I've had a lot of my friends on
the podcast and that's what's been really cool.
So it's a platform to help my friends too, that you know,
people that I love and I want tohelp grow as well.
But John Jumper, just because it's one for sure, because that
was my think about that. If any of us even now said, hey,

(01:26:19):
I want to get an hour with general Jumper for launch or
just a chat on the phone, probably not going to happen.
But there's something about podcasting that allows that
makes that happen. Like you have someone to be
under podcast for an hour. Yeah, come on.
I don't know what it is, but it's just it's just a thing.
But to me, that was a true example of because people
thought I was lying when I said John Jumper was going to be on

(01:26:41):
my podcast. People thought I was lying when
K Wright, the chief master on the Air Force.
Now leaders are all over the place with podcasts or having
their own podcast. That wasn't a thing in 2018.
So people thought I was. But it just shows that the
things you can make happen just by believing yourself.
And just like Miguel, you talkedabout just going for it.

(01:27:02):
I was that first episode with Kay.
Kay Wright shared a story on that podcast and I'm proud of
that. He'd hadn't shared with people.
And it's it's. Yeah.
So that one for sure. That's episode 7, Jumper General
Jumper episode 1 again, taking aa concept and a vision and
turning it to reality. Couple others who come to mind
are obviously the Curt Warner. He's my favorite quarterback of

(01:27:23):
all time. When you just talk about
Brazilians, I think the shining example and just believe in
yourself. Two other ones that come to mind
are with Michael Rod Rodriguez. He's the, I believe the CEO is
his official title of the GlobalWar on Terrorism Memorial
Foundation. Basically, he's trying to build

(01:27:46):
a memorial for the people, our generation of of service
members, right? I'm proud of that one.
That one gets a little emotional.
I would say my best man. I I don't want to discount.
I've had some some amazing. All my guests have been amazing.
Bodie might be the worst. I'm joking.

(01:28:07):
Bodie, you're you're amazing. No, but.
You're the guests of people you've had.
I will take worst. No, no, no, no man.
But I got to say there was one I'm really proud of is actually
23 Lee Ellis, just because it was a full circle moment for me,
an episode I did two years ago after so with Shane Pilgrim.

(01:28:29):
That's I don't know what is about that episode.
That just hits different with me.
So check that one out. With Shane.
We talked about financial resilience for transition.
It's it's so much deeper and that is such a good episode.
But Cody Keenan, there's just something I saw a huge
basketball fan. I and I especially the NBAI love

(01:28:50):
the NBA. It's my favorite league, but
basketball, if you think back tothe Olympics last year.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
That's the NBA is still your favorite league in 2025.
Yeah, I yeah, I don't. Do you watch it?
Yes, it's it will. OK, I'm just, I'm just asking.
I'm just asking. But my point with that is I

(01:29:13):
there's I use this, I use this analogy a lot recently.
If I think it was a gold medal game, when Steph Curry was just,
you could feel it like through the TV, you could feel it.
He was shooting it from half court and it was going in.
Everyone knew. That's right.
Kind of that episode with Cody Keenan.
I felt like that with the flow of the conversation.
I was just in a really good groove.

(01:29:34):
Cody Keenan was Obama's chief speechwriter and just the way I
was able to bridge that to that.That's a good one.
And then I, I keep saying one more and I say like 5 more, but
I'll say one more Cortez Riggs. That's the one I just released.

(01:29:57):
So I released a bonus episode last week, episode 91 I believe
with Cortez Riggs. And then 92 was on Thursday.
But Cortez Riggs, the create thefounder of the military
Influencer conference. That's a good one because he's
the man behind the scenes of a lot of things in the military
veteran community. Everyone knows who he is, but no
one really knows. No one's heard him tell his

(01:30:18):
story. So he was on my podcast and he
was sharing stories and he was like, man, I've never told
anyone this before. So just being able to bring that
to light. And I could, as I was talking to
him, the question, I could feel myself like, 'cause there were
things I was going to talk to him about different topics.
Didn't even get to 'cause I was just following the, the, the,

(01:30:40):
the organicness of the conversation.
So those are probably, I think Iended up saying 10 episodes, but
those are a few. But I can I can name so many
more. If you want to check this out,
he's already mentioned the numbers of a couple of #83 Cody
Keenan episode and then episode 91 Cortez Rig.

(01:31:01):
So go check those out. I mean, I'm able to pull it up
here on Spotify, Passing the torch with Martin Foster.
Where else can they find you outthere on social media?
Yeah, Instagram. I'm really trying to grow my
Instagram torch, Martin. I've had some pretty good growth
there recently. So I just want to continue

(01:31:22):
expanding that. And if you don't have Instagram,
you know, I'm on, I'm on Facebook passing the torch.
It's on Facebook page. And then also if you don't have
that either, I'm on LinkedIn andI'm really trying to grow my
presence on LinkedIn. I've had some good success with
there too, but and I'm on all podcasting platforms and one of

(01:31:42):
my best post I I love. I like looking at all the
insights because it's interesting.
One of my best insights, I think, for June was that picture
of me and you, Bodhi as the as the rockers obvious we.
Got yeah, we got another one coming.
I just got. I got to get around too OK.
No, no, no, no, no pressure, ma'am.
But but yeah, those are some of the best.
If you're not on any of those social media platforms, quit

(01:32:04):
hanging out at the museum yelling at people after the
retirement ceremony. The guy, he was talking about
the PT test and I'm like come ondude, like.
Yeah, yeah, no. So I'll pitch to me.
Actually, I'm going to let Miguel wrap the episode up.
I'll ask you what final commentsdo you have for our listeners
and I'll let Miguel give you some parting words.
Can't thank you enough for doingthis.

(01:32:25):
Greatly appreciated. I appreciate you guys.
Just thank you for this opportunity.
I truly love podcasting, man. I I think it's a great way to
connect with people, but I'm trying to do good things.
I'm trying to be, I feel like I'm authentic.
I have great intentions, but if you want to support me, help

(01:32:46):
support me by help me support other people by supporting me.
But I appreciate the opportunityand you know, just just reach
out. Thank you.
Thank you again, Martin, for being in this episode.
Like so many good things that you mentioned there.
But I just have to point this out.
This this cult was probably going to get stuck with me like

(01:33:09):
throughout my career now, especially when I'm meeting with
like a younger airman that was just scared to try, right?
Think about the feeling at the other side of that.
Fear. Yeah, man.
So that's always going to get stuck with me now.
And I I attribute to now to everything that you said growth,
because like the constant thing that you keep on talking about

(01:33:29):
is growth, growth, growth, whether that's growth from
helping growth from like moving on from your Childs and
tribulations. But really I just want to thank
you for that one. That one's going to be stuck
with me for a very, very long time.
I might even get a tattooed one day, who knows?
And I'll put I'll put it right here.
Yeah. And but thank you again for our

(01:33:51):
listeners. Check out Martin Torch Martin,
he has a lot of good insights inthere, a lot of good episodes.
He mentioned like 10 of them when we were asking for just one
favorite 1. So, but check out those 10
episodes at least. But again, don't forget the
shadows. We'll see you on the next
episode. This episode drops on Monday.
Catch us every Monday. See you guys.

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