Trust, Vulnerability, and Artistic Journeys

Can old photos and videos truly capture the essence of our personal growth? Join us on this heartfelt episode of The S.H.I.T.T.S Podcast  as we welcome the incredible ILL Gordon, filling in for our regular co-host, B. We kick things off with a candid chat about ILL  Gordon's week, sharing both the highs and the lows. I also take pride in some touching family moments, celebrating my son's basketball triumphs and my daughter's creative milestones. Then, we pivot to the NBA, where we cheer on Kyrie Irving's inspiring return with the Mavericks and discuss the shifting narratives around rising stars like Anthony Edwards.

Our conversation with ILL Gordon takes center stage as we dive into his latest album, "Illustrious." He opens up about the creative process behind blending hardcore boom-bap with smoother tracks, and the deeper meaning of the album’s title. We also explore the unique dynamics of the Chicago music scene, balancing independent artistry with group affiliations, and how historical context shapes local hip-hop. ILL Gordon's collaboration with Andreas Haley on standout tracks like "Fly Shit" offers rich insights into his artistic journey and the making of his music.

Reflecting on life's bigger themes, we discuss the significance of old photos and videos as emotional time capsules that document our growth and relationships. We touch on the impact of decision-making, the misconceptions around maturity, and the poignant reality of aging. In our conversations about relationships, we stress the necessity of trust, vulnerability, and self-awareness, sharing personal anecdotes to underscore these points. Wrapping up, we give heartfelt shoutouts to our loyal supporters and underscore the importance of genuine connections. Tune in for a thoughtful and engaging episode filled with personal reflections and meaningful dialogues.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey, hey, heyweider, cool as cat.
You heard this pop and thisweek I don't have my phenomenal
co-host in the building B.
She got some stuff she got totake care of.
But tonight we got a veryspecial guest to the podcast.
This man has been on thepodcast before.
He is a super dope MC.

(00:40):
Uh man coach, author hustler,all types of Uh man Coach,
author Hustler, all types ofshit man.
There's so much more.
There's so much I can say aboutthis man.
Tonight on this podcast I gotmy man, the one, the only, el
Gordon, y'all.
What up, what up.
Yes sir, yes sir.

(01:01):
How you feel, bro Good Can'tcomplain man.
How you feel, bro, good Can'tcomplain man?
How are you Chilling, man?
I like the phone man A littleflip joint.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
This is bowling.
Niggas is bowling.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm saying, hey, y'all Check it out, man, we out
here at the Shiz Podcast andbefore we go any further, man, I
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(01:35):
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Find us everywhere.
Goddamn it Yo.
So, excuse me, gordo, what up?
Since you are the phenomenalguest this week on the podcast
man, how you week been, bro.
It's been cool.

(01:57):
It's been some ups and downs,but it's been cool.
Okay.
Okay, I can't complain.
I won't complain, it's beencool.
There you go.
Cool, I can't complain.
I won't complain, it's beencool.
There you go.
So that's the thing you gottathink about, that one you gotta
like.
Sometimes you ask people howeverything going they be like
can't complain.
I say that shit all the timebecause it's like.

(02:18):
I can't complain, but like itain't gonna make no fucking
difference, you know what I'msaying, so I choose to say can't
complain.
This week, for me, man has beenman.
It's been eye-opening.
My son won a couple tournamentswith his basketball team.
So shout out to IllinoisBobcats doing their thing.

(02:40):
They got a lot of dope coachesover there.
My daughter is really doing herart thing.
Man bro, check it out One day.
I'm riding in the car with mydaughter.
Before we got in the car I hadseen at the kitchen table just
working on some stuff.
She had a plastic bowl and somemarkers and she was coloring it

(03:03):
.
I said what you doing?
And she was like I'm justworking on some arts and crafts.
So the thing, the only reasonwhy well, not the only reason,
one of the reasons why I thoughtthat was dope is because it
wasn't like she had to do itRight.
You know, she was choosing todo it Right.
So we, I said, why do you thinkit's important to be creative?

(03:29):
And bro, she was like becauseit helped decrease your stress.
Bro, she said that shit, atnine years old, G, that's dope.
At nine years old, I'm likedamn that's dope, that's dope,
it's dope as fuck.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
So shout out to my daughter man.
So anyway, that means she has avery high level of
self-awareness.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know what I'm saying?
That's dope.
Shout out to you, joe.
And she always asks me she'd belike, she'd be like dad, what's
the name of your podcast?
Stop, stop, stop, cause you, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not.
She was like me and my friendswant to watch.
I'm like no, baby, no, baby, no, you got to wait till I do some

(04:09):
PG episodes, but anyway, man,nba, super dope right now.
I want to say they're super doperight now, but shout out to the
Mavs man no doubt Shout out tothe Mavs because I think that

(04:31):
Kyrie Irving has got his spotback in people's hearts.
You know what I'm saying, forall the shit that that man went
through over in Brooklyn andBoston for him to come out and
pretty much demolish and Bostonfor him to come out and pretty
much demolish.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I mean, one thing you got to say about Kyrie is that
he, I look at him as almost likethe definition of standing on
his business.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Like he's never wavered.
Even when the odds was againsthim, even when the league was on
him, like that, he stood hisground.
He did, he stood his ground.
And you know, I don't think itwas an issue with his talent or

(05:07):
his skill.
We knew he could hoop.
I think it was just, you know,the little controversy stuff.
But I think the one thing Inoticed out of all of it is that
he just remained him throughoutthe entire process and it kind
of worked out in his favor.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
He's possibly about to be another yeah, I mean like
it's commendable because it'slike they didn't fold.
You know what I'm saying.
So with some people they mayfeel like man, this nigga think
the earth is flat.
Well, there's a lot ofmotherfuckers that think the
earth is flat.
He ain't the only motherfucker.
You know what I'm saying.
So I be like damn and I kind offeel like man.
Another thing all thosemotherfucking Michael Jordan

(05:41):
comparisons that they was doingwith Anthony Edwards.
That shit is out the door.
I mean out that shit out thedoor.
What I'll say is I ain't goingto say it's out the door and the
reason why.
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
That's what I was going to say.
Only reason I ain't going tosay it's out the door.
We got to keep in mind he'sonly 22 years old.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
And he did kind of show up thisseason.
He had a very big season,regular season, definitely, and
playoffs, like we're going tokeep him on in playoffs.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
It ended after the Denver series.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, I mean he only had like one good game, one and
a half good games in the Dallasseries, to be honest.
But I keep that in mind and Ithink what the Jordan comparison
is more with his athleticismand his will to just not back
down and that killer-esque thingGreg and Eddie does a couple
moves where it's like thatlittle Jordan-esque, yeah, but

(06:37):
you know, at the end of the dayI'm like, well, dude, only 22
years old, you know what I'msaying.
Mike wasn't no champion at 22.
Not to take nothing away fromthe GOAT, but in the same breath
at least I understand why thecomparisons were made.
He kind of put that team on hisback.
What would you compare?
A cat to?
A real-life cat, like a littlefurry kitten, A cat that you buy

(07:04):
from the pet store and take ithome and pet it, put out the
litter.
You know what I'm saying.
You know one of the mostdomesticated animals that you
can get, Definitely one of thetimber wolves, though he was not
a wolf of this series man atall.
I'm very disappointed.
I've never been a huge cat fanbut I've never not liked him.
But I thought he woulddefinitely rise to the occasion

(07:26):
a little bit more during thisseries.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
I thought so too.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
He had a mismatch but he shot what I think he said.
He shot like five or six forlike 30 or 40 from the
three-point line.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I think it was like they said 10 for 30-something.
That's what they did 10 for.
I looked at that like that wascoming from a two-time
three-point contest champion.
True, but you know what?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Somebody said this too, but I said I'm like man,
he's like the best big man inthe league.
They was like, yeah, he's wideopen, that's true.
Right, he's wide open.
I mean you can shoot, but whatwas that accuracy when we needed
it?
That's true.
Yeah, you're a three-pointchamp.
What was that accuracy when weneeded it?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's true, yeah, you're a three-point chap.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
That's cool, but where was that three-point chap
shooting when we needed it?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right.
So it's kind of like to me.
I looked at it like it justseemed like when folks was
playing, like they was kind ofshook.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
That's what I kind of got from it.
I can see that too.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
You going up against a motherfucker like Kyrie, that
is like 14-0 in closeout games.
Yeah, that's nuts.
Well, now one, oh yeah, 14-1.
Right, then you got Luka.
That's kind of like he'sunguardable God dog, unguardable
man.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
How you gonna be slow and unguardable Because of his
skill.
He has a high level, he has ahigh skill set.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, I see it.
I see it because he was justbullying motherfuckers.
Yes, he controls the game.
Yeah, I mean, he definitelycontrolled Rudy Gobert, nigga,
nigga.
Like I said, dude, it was justconfusing to me that I kind of
felt like if you're a defensiveplayer of the year, then you

(09:01):
understand the concept ofdefense, true Period.
You understand the concept ofdefense, true Period.
You understand the concept ofdefense on the center.
You understand the concept ofdefense on the forward or guard,
so devil's advocate, right.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
I was actually watching somewhere they said
that maybe they were talkingabout the last players to win
defensive player of the year,right, a lot of them have been
big men, and I think it'sbecause they control the paint
and they get based upon that, soit's like, when it comes to
that, it has to be more.
I guess, even when you'rethinking about can they guard
the perimeter as well instead ofjust the paint?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Because he definitely couldn't guard the perimeter,
Not at all.
Yeah, that man on skates.
Hey, I'm going to take a breakreal quick.
Hey, man, shout out to all thebig motherfuckers out there that
be getting ass cooked by them.
Motherfucking guards man.
It's the Shits Podcast.
Y'all, it's the Shits.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
It's comedian Marnie P checking in from the Shits
Podcast.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We are now back at the ShitsPodcast.
We either shooting shit,starring some shit or picking up
what shit left off.
I got my man, il Gordon, in thebuilding what up?
So, man, let's talk about thisnew project.
Bro.
Let's do it, because I alwaystell people, man, when I think
about lyricists and writers,your name is top five.

(10:13):
You know what I'm sayingBecause I know you write
constantly.
I do, and I know you putprojects out constantly.
So what's the name of the newproject?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
The name of the project is called Illustrious.
I feel like that's what's thename of the new project.
The name of the project iscalled Illustrious.
Wow, you know what I'm saying?
Wow, illustrious.
I feel like that was the vibe Iwas on in this project.
Okay, definitely giving yousome of those hardcore bone-back
bars, but also there's a lot ofkind of smoother tracks.
Okay, it gives you more like afake bougie feel.

(10:42):
You know what I'm saying.
So that's kind of where it camefrom, playing off the namesake
as well.
It kind of just got that vibefor me so do you have any
features on the project?
yeah, on Illustrious, actuallyon Illustrious, I got my man
Andreas Haley.
Shout out to Andreas Haley,formerly known as Dat Benis hey

(11:06):
man, I'm a huge fan Go aheadthough.
Yeah, so he's the only featureon that project.
Dat Benis, that's the fly shitjoint.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, okay, that is in my playlist, that's in heavy
rotation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So when you think about flyshit, what's fly shit to you?

Speaker 3 (11:28):
To me.
I guess the image that I getwhen I think of fly shit is like
the first word that comes tomind is pristine.
You know what I'm saying?
Look that word up, motherfucker.
It's just like if we're talkingabout clothes or gear from head
to toe, you fly, you're crispyor whatever Okay.
If we're talking about venuesor places, it's just flawless,

(11:52):
it's like nothing is wrong withit.
You know what I'm saying?
Okay, so when I think of flyshit, I just feel like that's
the time where nobody can sayanything outside of giving you
your props on whatever it isthat you're doing Okay.
Yeah, so that's what I think ofAlmost like the perfect scene.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
So, speaking of getting props, when you think
about what you've done not justin the city, because you've been
overseas touring, you gotrecords overseas, you've done
work with people overseas whenyou talk about getting props, do
you think that in this city,that you have to be with a

(12:30):
certain group of people in orderto truly get your props, or do
you think people, or do youthink we as music connoisseurs,
actually look and we search forthat dope shit?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
That's a good question.
To be honest, I think it's alittle bit of both.
Okay, right, because and let's,let's, you know, let's speak
about, I guess, like chicagoartists or the chicago scene, um
, I think it's a little bit ofboth, because they're artists
that I've never heard of, butthen when I look them up, they
have a very huge following.
Yeah, so I'm saying like how Inever heard this, but then when
I look them up, they have a veryhuge following.
You know what I'm saying?
Like how I never heard of thisperson.
A person I'm thinking about ismy man, taco.
Oh, I rock with Taco.

(13:11):
So funny part about that is myman.
Mike Logic linked me and Tacobecause we all played on the
same basketball team.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Get the fuck out of here, he didn't even know it.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Didn't even know it.
Okay.
So that's when I first gotintroduced to Zocko I checked
out his stuff.
He's dope, but if I ever heardhim mentioned outside of Mike
Logic, mention him to me.
No Right.
But I come to find out he donesold out Reggie's like twice.
Wow.
So I'm saying like recently.
So, but on the flip side,certain people that if you

(13:46):
affiliate yourself with it cankind of give you a little bit
more recognition.
It prepares you a little bit.
I'm going to keep that funky,you know what I'm saying.
So I think it's a little bit ofboth, because you do.
I have seen artists where I'venever seen them mentioned, with
no crews or clicks, but theyalso have created that following
to where I'm good, you knowwhat I mean, and so I also feel

(14:06):
like that.
There's also artists where youget those.
I guess we would say stamps ofapproval, that part right there.
Sometimes those stamps can takeyour status from here to here.
So I think it's a little bit ofboth.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, I think Taco had won a live performer award
for the 312 Music Awards, so Idefinitely heard of him.
And I think the part that yousaid about if you, depending on
who you with you know what I'msaying can kind of get your name
out there Sometimes I thinkit's a pro, sometimes I think

(14:39):
it's a con, because you may havea motherfucker that's
affiliated with a certain crew,but sometimes the
motherfuckerers got garbage, youknow, and you're able to still
get that kind of recognitionbecause of the people that you
roll with.
And I think that's justsomething that with Chicago,
that shit goes back to probablythe fucking late 80s.

(15:01):
You know what I'm saying.
So I can, like I would love todo an experiment, like when you
get some of the older hip-hopartists that you know from
Chicago and see how they feltwhile they still experiencing
the same shit when they wasdoing their thing.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, I also think that and granted, I'm not, and
granted I don't claim to be afull Chicago hip-hop historian
or anything like that but I dothink that there's never been a
tremendous amount of musicaloutlets in Chicago, especially
for independent, quote-unquoteunderground artists or whatnot.

(15:37):
Good point.
And so I think because of that,it became like a vacuum, and
that's how we get quote-unquotegatekeepers Right.
It became like a vacuum and andthat's how we get quote-unquote
gatekeepers right, because it'slike, if it's not a lot of
venues for artists to to showtheir art or to perform the
venues that they do the artistsperform or the good you know,
I'm saying the bigger venues,whatnot?
yeah, certain promoters orcertain people that have you can

(16:00):
put you into places like thatright, and so I do think that
that element as far as chicChicago not having a lot of
outlets for independent artistscontributes to, I guess we could
say some of the gatekeepingRight.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I can definitely see that when you think about
classic albums, right, because Iwas just talking to my son
about this and we was talkingabout Illmatic and I was like I
asked him.
I said do you think?
I said, do you know why thisalbum is considered a classic
album?
He's 16, you know what I'msaying.
So he was like because he saidbecause of the way it's arranged

(16:40):
, the content of it and it'srelevance.
So like he said that he's 16.
So like range, the content ofit and its relevance.
He's saying that at 16.
I look at it, that album isprobably like 30, 40 years old,
25, 30.
25, 30 years old, at least Ilook at that like that's an
album that's that old and it'sstill dope to this day.

(17:02):
When you think about classicalbums, what do you think makes
an album classic?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I think the I guess what's the word the playback
ability.
Okay, like how much do youlisten to that entire album?
How many times do you listen tothat?
I'm talking no skips, right,like you just listen to an album
back to back, you go off, youstart it over again, start it
over again.
I feel like that feeling iswhat makes a classic album for

(17:33):
me.
Of course you could talk aboutthe technical stuff, production,
how it's arranged, of coursethe bars, the lyrics, all that
stuff play a part, but I thinkthat when you find an album that
you don't get sick of listeningto, to me that's the beginning
of what qualifies it as aclassic.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
So when you think about that and you put your
albums together and you startthe writing process and you
start picking out the beatsprogress how much of that do you
take into consideration?
Is that a huge focus?
Is that like, like you know,I'm meticulous about this, this,
this and this, because I'mreally just trying to make that
much of a classic album.
Will you just let it flow?

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I never think about it.
To be honest, like when I'mcreating my music, I never think
about, you know, I'm trying tomake a classic, or I'm trying to
make this for this person orthat person.
I honestly don't.
I literally go off how I feel.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
That's dope, because I was listening to I think it
was Rick Rubin.
And Rick Rubin said artists,when you make your art, you
should look at it like it's ajournal, like a diary.
He said.
You don't look at the entriesin your diary and be like I

(18:54):
wonder if somebody don't likethat Exactly you know what I'm
saying.
Like you put it in there becausethat's what you feel.
You know what I'm saying, sothat's how your art should be.
Yo, we got to take a break realquick and man shout out to all
the motherfuckers out therethat's putting entries in their
diary and people didn't evenknow the niggas was gay, like
eight years ago and shit.
If they would have read it theywould have known it's the Shits

(19:14):
.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Podcast.
Y'all it's the Shits.
What up?
Y'all it's your boy.
Letting y'all know about thehottest after party going on
every Sunday at the Hathaway,1245 Burnham Avenue in Calumet
City, Illinois.
Every Sunday, 10 pm to 2 am.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
It's the Sheep, it's just podcast and we out here
chilling with the one and onlyEl Gordon, yo, alright, so
Alright.
So I want to talk about I'mgoing to kind of switch gears a
little bit, right.
So a friend of mine, herbirthday had just passed and she
had posted up she posted uppictures, posted up old pictures

(19:59):
, right, and with those oldpictures she put, she like wrote
a letter to herself at thattime, kind of like describing
what was going on at that timeand how they got past it, how
she got crazy.
I'm saying that, uh, how shegot past it and what she learned

(20:21):
from the stuff, like that.
And I, bro, I thought it was, Ithought it was the most awesome
shit, right, and it really mademe think about old photos and
how, to me, it made me feel likethese are like a timestamp of
where we were at a point in ourlife and how we got to where

(20:42):
we're at.
You know what I'm saying.
And it really made me thinkabout how, how people say I
never changed.
You say that shit's somethingwrong with you how people say I
never changed.
You say that shit's somethingwrong with you.
I've always been like this.
No, motherfucker, you haven't.
You know what I'm saying.
And I thought about those oldphotos because I think if people

(21:03):
were really able to go from dayone to now and see those old
photos and be like damn, Ifucking have changed, you know
what I'm saying and they'd look,see those old photos and be
like damn, I fucking havechanged.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I'm saying and they look at that and they be like
man.
They look at that picture andbe like, yeah, I'm smiling, but
I was going through this, this,this and this.
You know what I'm saying?
Or on this picture, I'm hangingwith this person.
This person because at the timeI was going through this, this,
this and this, and that personwas helping me get through it.
So when you start to thinkabout those old photos and how

(21:36):
it's a timestamp, what does itmake you think about when it
pertains to your life?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
So I was blessed.
You know what I mean.
What I mean by that is that mydad you know what I'm dad shout
out to my pops man.
He literally videotaped me fromday two that I was born.
When I say literally from daytwo, the next thing I know I'm
still a baby.
He got footage of that.

(22:00):
I'm one years old, I'm twoyears old, I'm three years old.
Literally I have video footageof snapshots of part of my life
or eras of my life.
Video footage of snapshots apart of my life or eras of my
life.
And it's such truly a blessingbecause to me, whenever I watch
it, I'm able now to visually seehow I was at those times in my
life.
That's dope as fuck.
Like you know not, I havepictures and all that too.

(22:22):
But it's different when I canlook back and say, dang, I was
12 years old, I was fat as hell.
Look, I was chubby as shit,trying to run like I was 12
years old.
I was fat as hell.
Look, I was chubby as shit,trying to run Like I was nasty.
You know what I'm saying?
Oh damn, I was 16.
I'm hooping now.
I made the game with it.
But you know what I'm saying,right.
So for me I feel like thatmentally is almost like going
into a time machine.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
You know what I'm saying, yeah, and I see it like
physically, mentally, in a lotof aspects.
So I know, for me it wasdefinitely a blessing.
Yeah, I mean the fact that Ican go home tonight and watch a
video from like two hours worthof film man bro, from birth to
before I went to college.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Man, that's great.
So when you look at that, justsay you were looking at those
videos as someone else, not you.
What do you think would be themost challenging parts in that
story?
Like what age would be the mostchallenging?

(23:27):
Or the time that you would lookat and be like you would feel
you would not feel sorry for theperson in there, but be like
damn.
It seemed like they was reallyreally going through some shit
at that time.
Honestly.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Mm-hmm, none, really I don't think there's no part.
And let's be clear, I'm notsaying I didn't go through shit.
Yeah, it ain't on camera.
There's no.
Not to say like the thing closeto I can relate to is like okay
, once I was a baby, uh, I didsomething, I got whooped, right
that's all, but you know whatI'm saying.

(24:03):
There's nothing where I feellike, oh my God, like that's so
traumatic for me.
Yeah, I mean now what I can sayis when I do watch the footage.
My grandmother was a lot of thefootage, okay, and my
grandmother were very, veryclose, okay, past like my
freshman year college yeah sowhen I do look at the footage,
it's hard for me not to thinkabout my grandmother at any

(24:24):
point watching that footage,because that whole time my life
she was well like, she was a hotkid.
So I would say, if that'ssomething, then yeah, that would
be.
The struggle for me is knowingthat.
You know, I lost my grandmotherwhen I was like 18 years old,
but that footage I have was fromlike birth to 18.
Wow, you know what I'm saying.
So I think that that's likealways been like a, I guess, a

(24:46):
pain point for when I do watchthe footage.
But it's also a beautiful daybecause, like where I get to see
my grandmother, yeah, yeah, youknow so it's.
I would say that would probablybe my biggest struggle as far
as watching the footage.
But as far as like visually, Idon't think there's anything
visually on there where peoplewould be like dang he, you know
he's going through it, right now, yeah, yes, and that's
interesting that you say that,man, about your grandmother

(25:07):
first of all.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
recipes to your peace , to your grandmother,
absolutely.
But you think about the people.
You think about the people thatcome into your life and how
they shape In some shape, formor fashion, how they shape the
way you think yeah, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Somebody came into your lifeand did something and was some

(25:29):
type of influence to either pushyou probably to more a positive
or probably a negative, orprobably even both.
You know what I'm saying.
So if, like you said, but you,you, you, you are blessed to be
able to look at those videos andsee your grandma, you know what
I'm saying.
And I think about for otherpeople, if they were able to
look at those old photos or oldvideos and be like damn, I'm

(25:52):
cool with that person all theseyears and I'm not If they can
just pinpoint at what point intime in their life that shit
changed, like damn that's whathappened.
You know what I'm saying andit's crazy man, because, like I
said, people change andsometimes I think people look at
it in a negative way and theybe like you changed, no,

(26:12):
motherfucking, everybody's gonnachange, because the thing is
shit happens.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Like you have to evolve, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Like that's changing.
Like when a person evolves,they change, and if we didn't
change a lot of us, there's noway.
Life is about change, right?
You know what I'm saying?
That's the only thing that'sconstant, it's change.
And the people that strugglewith that the most are the ones
that don't want to change Right.

(26:37):
So you have to evolve,Otherwise I'd still be thinking
like a 12-year-old.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
And it's crazy that you say that because you think.
It's crazy that you say thatbecause you think about people
that you look at and you be likeyou still think the same
fucking way.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
You haven't changed.
You're still the same.
You're still the same,motherfucker.
You are grown men.
How are you still 16 years oldmentally?

Speaker 1 (27:10):
how are you stuck in that?
To me, I think it's so many I'mgoing to say complexities, but
that's not the word I'm prettysure that's not the fucking word
Complexities.
I think it is a word we'regoing to say.
It is that make you feel likewhen you start to like, when you
have your own growth, and howthat ripple effect, how it

(27:36):
affects the people that you coolwith you see what I'm saying,
yeah.
It's a change in you.
So then it starts to.
Somebody may either say, allright, well, I think we're going
to be even cooler, yeah.
Or some people may say, well,you know what, I can't really
fuck with you.
Yeah, I don't really fuck withyou.
Right, I don't really fuck withyou.
And it's so crazy that you mayhave people in your life as you

(27:59):
look at those videos, that maybe more distant, but then as you
start to change, they becomecloser to you.
To change, they become closerto you.
You know what I'm sayingBecause it's like, oh, buddy,
kind of like on what I'm onright now, it's truly dope man.
So, like I said, man, like whenI sang that my friend put this
shit up, dude, I just thought itwas so, it was inspirational

(28:19):
because it made me think aboutthe whole concept of connecting
the dots in our life, and to meit really seems like that's what
we do, yeah, like we connectthe dots.
The beauty of it is you don'tknow, yeah, you know what I'm
saying.
Yeah, you don't know the dot.
You don't know what that nextdot gonna be Exactly.
Just like you said about Taco,yeah, we didn't even realize you

(28:39):
was hooping with thismotherfucker, at a point where
it's like y'all, now you're onthe music shit.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Not realizing.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
y'all already had a connection before with the music
man, so I think it's just, it'struly dope man.
It's really making me thinkabout the whole concept of life
and paying attention to life.
You see what I'm saying youhave to Like.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
I tell my students, I I tell my students.
I said decision making is notan isolated thing.
I said every decision that youmake in your life will lead to
the next step of your life.
You can't say because the kidsa lot of times, when I get grown
, I'm going to be more mature,I'll make 18.
That starts now.
You don't magically just becomemature as soon as you turn 18
or 21 or 30.

(29:24):
A switch, don't turn on.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, you mature now motherfucker Like nah 30.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
A switch, don't turn on you, sure that motherfucker?
But I tell them it's like apermanent timeline Decisions you
make when you're 2 affects youat 5.
Decisions you make at 5 affectsyou at 10.
Decisions you make at 10affects you at 15.
And so on and so on.
But if your decision makingpattern don't change, you'll
still make those type ofdecisions, regardless of what
age you are.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I told y'all, I fucking told y'all, fucking told
y'all, man, this man is alyricist, this man is a
motivational coach.
He's a coach, a car mechanic,all this shit Straight up and
then we're going to take a breakreal quick, man, yo shout out
to all the motherfuckers outthere man that's posting their
pictures on Facebook and y'allshit ugly as fuck.
Y'all get no likes.

(30:07):
It's the Shits Podcast.
It's the Shits.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Everybody.
It's comedian StephanieRobertson with the Shits.
Come check it out.
You can follow me on Instagramat Stephanie underscore
underscore Robertson.
I will see you there.
Make sure to follow.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We are now back at the ShitsPodcast.
We shoot the shit.
One man, el Gordo man.
We just talked about oldpictures, life albums, classic
albums.
Right, I'm talking aboutbirthdays, bro.
No, doubt so talking about thiswhole concept of life and

(30:43):
birthdays, and I think sometimesfirst of all I think we put I
think sometimes first of all, Ithink we put I think we look at
getting older in a negative way.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I don't why it's a blessing.
It's a blessing G, and maybebecause and it's funny because
you know I work with kids and Itell them all the time you want
to make it here right, since youwant to get to this age.
You know what I'm saying.
So, of course, when I was young, I was like you know, you know

(31:16):
that's the circle of life, butyou know, being grown as hell
now it's just like no, everyyear.
Now I appreciate it more, causeI've lost friends.
I've lost friends, I've lostclassmates.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I'm about to say guys , nope ain't changed that way,
you got that right.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
I'm better go ahead.
But you know, none of us knowour expiration date, damn.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It depends on how you look at that.
It can be some scary shit orsome very motivating shit.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Either way it's real.
That's true Whether you take itas fear or motivation.
It's real.
It's inevitable.
That's true.
None of us know our expirationdate G, so for me, I always feel
like if I'm blessed to haveanother year of life it's a
blessing.
That's true.
It's truly a blessing man,especially when you see people

(32:12):
throw their life away every dayDoing stupid, doing dumb stuff,
making dumb decisions.
And throw your life away everyday.
I'm like life is gonna getmoney on you anyway.
Yeah, why contribute to that?
Why can't you walk the house totoday by making bogus decisions
?
Granny, nobody's perfect.
We all gonna fuck up.
Yes, sir, I'll go make amistake.
We all gonna make a bogusdecision sometimes.
But it's the pattern of makingthe bogus decisions, making the

(32:33):
same ones.
Yeah, you didn't learn, youdidn't learn nothing so you
could cut your life short off ofthose decisions.
But if not, you know happens.
Yeah, yeah, like for real, likeI know people, like I lost a
classmate from elementary schoollast week.
Damn, she was only in her early40s.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Where's your parents, though?
I think she had like kidneyfailure, oh shit.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, I hear that.
Yeah, I mean.
So it's just like you got tolive life to the fullest man,
and every year that you areblessed to be above ground is a
blessing.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's true, that's true.
Hold on now.
Hold on For real, or it couldhave been.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
That's how you want to look at it.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
But hold on To that point though.
I was having a conversationwith my dad the other day.
My dad is 68 years old.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Hold on.
Yeah, no doubt, Definitely giveit up.
But if I'm being honest, thatscared me G really.
If I'm being honest, it scaredme cause I was like shit it's a

(33:35):
blessing that my pops been therefor 68 years?
yeah, no doubt.
But it also made me realize sheneed two years from 70.
You know what I'm saying?
That's not young, right?
You know what I'm saying?
So I'm 73.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's what's up.
That's definitely what's up.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
So I just think, because my father don't look his
age at all, but it's like whenhe says like oh, I'm 68, I'm
about to be 69.
I think there's just somethinghitting.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I was like damn Pop's , like 69.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Right, I'm like damn Pop's freaking old Right, and I
never felt that way about myfather my entire life.
But when he said it the otherday it kind of hit me a little
bit like oh, you know what I'msaying, but, like I said, it's
still a blessing man, I'm stilla blessing G.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean like my dad man, when he told me that he
was 73, I said young, but youdon't look young, young, you
don't look like you're 73.
And that shit was inspiration,because I'm like, hey, if I can
look like that at 73, I'm good,life is good.
And I got a 12-year-old brother.

(34:34):
So I'm like, hey, man, look, Igot no, I'm sorry a 14-year-old.
I got a 14-year-old brother anda 16-year-old.
But I'm like, no doubt, hey,man, look, no doubt Straight up.
So can you think of something,man, that?

(34:56):
Can you think of one conceptthat has changed for you as you
got older, like as you wasyounger, you was like, eh, hell,
no, that would never happen.
But then, as you got older, youwas like I could see that, oh
yeah, like what?
No, that would never happen.
But then, as you got older, youwas like I could see that, oh
yeah, like what would it be?
The thought of marriage, did itgo?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
down, or so I never really really thought about
being married for real, for real.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Like, the idea of it, the ideaof it sounded cool.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Like, okay, everybody… Depends on who you
talk to Right Depends on who youtalk to.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
But for me it was like, okay, the idea just sounds
cool.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, as I… when I became anadult, when I was in my younger
years, I was like, well, I'll becool having a permanent
girlfriend.
You know what I'm saying.
But as I've gotten older aswell, I start to think about
more of my future.
You know, I'm just beingrealistic if I'm being honest.

(35:51):
And it made me just become moreof a believer of just having
that consistent structure,Because there's a lot of
bullshit out here.
There's a lot of bullshit, andI just think that it depends on
your priorities.
And for me, my peace of mind ismore important than anything
you know what I'm saying Thananything.
So if you do that part, yeahThan anything.

(36:12):
G Like, if you ain't got peaceof mind, you can't really move.
What's the purpose?
What's the purpose?
So I feel like when you findthat person that can provide you
with that same level of peaceof mind, yeah.
Then there's no issue as far assettling down, getting married
or whatever.
But before that, when I wasyoung, I was like no, I'm cool,
I'll be the cool uncle.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I can see that though , yeah, I can see that so, but I
would say that definitelychanged, and honestly, my
perspective just on life ingeneral.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
You know what I mean, clearly.
You know, when you're young andyou just think everything is
sweet, you think life is just apiece of cake, you know what I'm
saying.
I can just go hoop all day.
I can just go hoop all day, geton the game, chill hoop.
I bet you, like mymotherfucking back is man.
You know what I'm saying.
These bills killing me.
You know what I'm saying.
So I just think that myperspective just on life Right,

(37:05):
you know what I mean thatdefinitely has changed
throughout the years.
But I would say the biggestchange is how I view, you know,
relationships and stuff likethat.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
So I'm glad you said that.
So, speaking of relationships,man, I was talking to my son
Shout out to Jaylen Aboutrelationships and I was like,
let me.
I said let me explain something, Because I got to get the dad
voice going on Let me explainsomething to you, son.
This is the main thing you haveto realize.
In any fucking relationship,everybody just want to be happy.

(37:36):
Yeah, if you really approach arelationship in that way, it
will help you with all yourdecision making it will See what
I'm saying.
So when you look at a situation.
You say man, I'm about to callthis motherfucker and see why
the fuck she ain't answering herphone and woo, woo, woo, woo.
Think about this.
Is that going to make her feelhappy?

(37:57):
No, if anything, yeah, or herphone right there, let me go
through this motherfucker.
Is that going to make her feelhappy?
No, would it make you feelhappy if a motherfucker went
through your phone?
Now the thing is like I toldhim.
I said what we struggle with iswe know what we did or we know

(38:18):
what we would do.
You see what I'm saying.
So that's why, in my opinionI'm not a psychologist, I'm like
40 years away from it, but it'slike that's why we, I believe,
that's why we do what we do, andthat's the struggle of helping
somebody to stay happy becauseyou're dealing with your own
shit.
Absolutely.
See what I'm saying you aredealing with your own shit.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
So when this motherfucker don't answer the
phone, you think about why youdidn't answer the motherfucker's
call before so look at it likethis, right, like sometimes
being in a relationship withsomebody, it's almost like an
exchangement, an exchange oftraumas.

(39:01):
It's like You're getting bothof them, but it's like an
exchange of traumas, right.
And what I mean by that is thatnobody's perfect.
I'm not saying some people comeinto the situation with more
baggage than others.
You know what I'm saying.
Sometimes y'all come to thesituation with an equal amount
of baggage.
Sometimes the person might feellike I have no baggage, you

(39:23):
have baggage.
You know what I'm saying.
You have baggage.
You know what I'm saying.
Now, what I'll say is that, whenit comes to those aspects, I
feel like that you have to thinkabout, really, what are you
willing to deal with?
And that's just being 100.
Because to expect for a personto expect to go into a situation
with somebody else andautomatically assume, I think,

(39:43):
that they're going to alwaysadhere to what you need and
you're not giving that back,that's just not realistic In a
relationship.
It's not.
So I feel like that you have tothink about, well, what am I
willing to work with this personand also be vulnerable enough
to let that person know what youneed to work on as well.
That's the part right there,the vulnerable part it is, and
that's scary.

(40:03):
It's a mother fucker mother.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I'm saying it's scary .

Speaker 3 (40:06):
But when you, when you come across that person
that's willing to to take thatleap with you, it's kind of like
, okay, well, we both, you knowlike each other that much or
what have you, so let's kind ofsee what it'll do.
But I just think that when youget into those situations, some
people will come into the I'm.
Some people don't take the timethat they need to be in an
actually healthy relationship.

(40:27):
Damn.
And you have to understand andget a better idea of how you
flowing before you get somebodyelse involved, because naturally
you're going to make thatperson have to deal with
whatever you had going on.
Right, you got to try to takecare of a little bit of that
before you got involved.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Hey, we got to take a break real quick.
Hey, man, shout out to all themotherfuckers out there, man,
that be going through that girlphone and be seeing all kind of
dick pics and wondering whereall these dicks come from, and
they be like Mexican dick orwhite dick.
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(41:04):
Yeah, we're now back at theshit podcast, man.
We started some shit too, man,because we're talking about
relationships and knowingyourself and dick pics and all
types of shit like that.
So I really like where you wasgoing with that man, because the

(41:25):
whole concept of you coming into a relationship and being
vulnerable and shit.
And so, like I went to atraining, right, and in this
training they asked they saidlist.
They said list the three thingsthat matter the most to you,
right?
So on my list was family,health and freedom.

(41:49):
And then they asked thequestion out of those three
things, what causes you the moststress?
I was like all of them, all ofthem.
And the lady, she was likethat's because the shit that you
care about the most is the sameshit that stresses you out.

(42:11):
Yeah, you see what I'm saying,absolutely, because you fucking
care.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
So when you talk about cominginto a relationship and you
making yourself vulnerable tosomebody else but also taking on
somebody else's shit, it's likethat's the scary part about it.
It is Because it's like, man, Ilike you enough, you make me

(42:31):
feel peaceful or you bring mesome type of peace, but at that
same time, I have to bevulnerable and be like.
This is how I feel about shit.
Now I just gave you some typeof ammo that, if you ever wanted
to kind of like, fuck me over.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Well, let's pause right there.
That's the problem, right there, right there.
When you view vulnerability asammunition for your partner,
right then y'all ain't a war,right, and you know I'm saying a
battle.
So, like you already cominginto it with like a mind state
of, uh, you know you're gonnaput this on my that's, to be
honest, it's like I know wethink about that.

(43:06):
Yeah, when you think about itin totality, that's the wrong
mentality to have.
If you're truly going to bevulnerable with somebody, it is
because it's like you can't sayI'm gonna be vulnerable, but in
the same breath you might usethis against me, right?
That defeats the purpose ofbeing vulnerable.
If you really feel that way,then don't be vulnerable.
I'm just saying like, and I canI get it cuz I'm not exempt.

(43:28):
You know what I'm saying.
I just think about shit likethat, but I feel like when
situations like that, when itcomes to vulnerability and
taking those risks and whatnot,it's a risk either way.
G and what I mean by that isthat for most of my adulthood I
was single.
Okay, if I'm being honest, I'veprobably been in only for real,
like two adult relationships.

(43:49):
Okay, but for a nice period oftime almost a decade I was
single.
Okay, Now the good part of thatwas that it definitely gave me
time to learn myself Likeimportant, why my traumas, why I
didn't like shit how I am, whyI'm this, why I'm that?
I had a whole damn near decadeto figure that shit out.
I got into a relationship whenI was 30 and you know that was

(44:11):
situation.
It made me realize like, okay,I could be in a relationship for
real, not with this person,right?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
there.
No, it's like this one, notthis motherfucker right here.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Right, but I can do it.
You're saying so, but on theflip side to that too, the con
of that is that because I wassingle for so long, it took me a
little bit longer to adjust.
You see what I'm saying, becauseI got used to just dealing with
myself Right At my leisure, howI wanted to do it, doing what
you want to do.
But when I found somebody Icare about, I want to be with, I

(44:39):
had to realize, oh shit, itain't just about me, about me,
I'm used to just being about me,right?
You see what I'm saying, right?
So it's pros and cons on eachside.
You know what I'm saying.
Do I regret taking that muchtime off on relationships?
No, because, like I said, itmade me very secure in the man

(45:02):
that I've become right.
But on the flip side, it mademe acknowledge, okay, you also
got possibly stuck in some ofyour ways you see what I'm
saying and that's not alwaysconducive to a fully healthy
relationship.
You got to realize like, hey, Igot to make some adjustments.
I can't expect to have give andtake when I'm not giving.
I'm still willing to be in thatspace that I was when I was

(45:23):
just single.
Right, you stuck on that onephoto.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Exactly.
You stuck on that one photo,not realizing hey, I've elevated
.
You know what I'm saying, soI'll say that too.
That's man, bro, that's superdope.
And I was also talking tosomebody today, man, I was like
man, like I wonder how differentwe would be if our parents had

(45:49):
access to therapy.
You know what I'm sayingBecause you think about the shit
that's been passed on to us,not just like I don't want to
say it like certain stuff, likewhatever stuff that's in your
family, shit that's just runningyour family, but you think
about the emotional parts that'sbeen transferred from
grandfathers to fathers to sons,your family's culture Right

(46:15):
your family's culture, like theshit that we did and the shit
that you don't discuss.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Literally your family's culture G.
That's crazy as fuck.
Like, when you think about like, if I tell you shit, that you
know what I'm saying.
How my family did you black,nigga, that's not what we did,
right?
You know what I'm saying.
Some stuff might be similarbecause we black, you know what
I'm saying, but every singlefamily has a different culture.

(46:40):
Yeah, and it's certain shit.
You think about culture.
That's shit that's passed down,right.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Generation to Like my son.
Man he was.
I'm not putting him on blast,but he was just like hey, he was
like man dad.
You know, sometimes I just kindof feel like I just feel better
when I know I can control.
I have to have control overeverything.
And it's man, man, god, I'mtelling you it's so crazy
because I was like fuck, I wasthinking the same fucking way at
your age, you know what I'msaying, and I didn't even tell
you to think like this.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
That's genetic.
You gave that to him.
That's fucking.
I'm sorry, son, you know whatI'm saying.
You got that honest, but Ithink about that and I'm like
but I think about old photosconnecting the dots having a
purpose.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
So me connecting the dots having a purpose, so me
having that conversation andbeing able to say, hey, you
shouldn't think like that.
And I can tell you that youshouldn't think like that from
experience.
You see what I'm saying,because you got it from me.
You see what I'm saying.
I'm saying that's fromexperience.
Don't think like that, becausethe thing is like I said
everybody just wants to be happy.
That's it.

(47:49):
If you go off of that conceptalone, if you start, if that's
where you started, everybodyjust wants to be happy.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
That's it and that's all.
That's a fact, and I also feellike, when it comes to that
control aspect, what's funny isI will always say, the more you
try to be in control or the moreyou are in control, the more
you're actually losing controlLike the motherfuckers.
You know what I'm saying,because you have to understand
that in no life will you be ableto control every aspect of it.

(48:22):
Not at all.
It's not realistic, especiallya woman, especially when you're
talking about relationships Shit, especially when you talk about
relationships.
So when you think about it inthat light, it's like no, the
best, sometimes the best way tobe in control is be willing to
give up some control, likethat's just be honest.
If you want to, if you reallywant to try to get what you want

(48:43):
from the situation, you have tobe willing to let go of
something right, and a lot oftimes we control is a very safe
place because you controlling,controlling it you know what's
going to happen.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I feel secure because I know exactly what's going to
happen.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Exactly, but we be hesitant to give up some of that
control because you don't knowwhat's going to happen.
Flip side something beautiful,great can happen, and some
bullshit can happen, but ain'tthat the beauty of taking a risk
?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Well, it depends on who you talk to.
Shout out to Van Dool, right,it depends on who you talk to.
God damn it, I fucking hate theTimberwolves.
I mean, like that's a damn goodpoint, man, because it's that
thought of, it's that thought ofnot knowing.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
You feel unknown G You're wayout here partying, I don't know

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what you're doing.
But here's the beauty of it.
You can think to yourself, youcan just tell yourself nothing's
happening.
You know what I'm saying.
Or you can go with the words ohman, she got the fuck full
dicks.
All types of shit.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
The most extreme shit , like shit that she's never
even done before.
Y'all ain't together.
She ain't around now.
She's doing the most outrageousshit, right?

Speaker 1 (49:54):
you know what I'm saying, so it's like it's all
about.
Still.
It goes back to you controllingyou, yeah, and showing them
your narrative and you knowwhat's crazy.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
The one thing that is the opposite of control is the
thing that's needed most inrelationships.
It's trust.
This motherfucker Period,that's like that's the opposite
of control.
Right, you can't control trust,because if you control it, you
can't trust it.
Y'all heard this shit.
You know what I'm saying.
You have it.
So it's like there's nothing totrust, right, I'm doing this,

(50:23):
right?
So that's control and trustdon't really go together a lot
of times.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Hey man, we gotta take a break.
Man, Shout out to themotherfuckers out there that hey
man, fuck all that.
You heard what the fuck youjust said.
Hey man, that's a soundbite.
Goddamn it, it's the ShitsPodcast.
Man, it's the Shits.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
What up, ladies and gentlemen, it's the American
dream, the American nightmare,the heartbreaker Young Baca.
And when I come to Chicago Icheck in Shits Podcast One more
time.
Man, Give a big shout out tothe Shits Podcast.
Young Bach Productions.
Man, Holla us, we out here.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We are now back at the ShitsPodcast and we out here.
Hey y'all.
Let me tell y'all something.
We're here chilling with my man, el Gordon man, so I gotta put
this out there.
So I've been a fan of this manfor years because he dropped
project after project, and I'meven a bigger fan now because

(51:15):
y'all heard what this man said.
This man is a motherfuckingmotivational coach.
You're probably going to be atherapist at some point in time.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
You know what I'm saying One of my life goals.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Connecting the fucking dots, bro.
How can I put this so like,like, I think about one of the
things for me that has changedsince I've gotten older is the
whole concept of how we look atpossessions.

(51:46):
Possessions like yeah, but youspoke on it too like giving up
that control and just trustingyou know what I'm saying or
being able to realize that theperson that you with is human.
Yeah, so it's kind of like theygot needs and wants too, you
know what I'm saying and that'swhat makes that person that

(52:10):
person.
That's what makes that personthat person, that's what drew
you to that person.
You know what I'm saying.
So, like nowadays, man, I startto think more about the
importance of connections.
You know what I'm saying.
And then I think, when peoplestart to really think about the
importance of connections, youstart to realize why people do
certain things.
So like I think it's the mostawesome thing, like when you
really really break shit down,for somebody to send you a text

(52:33):
that says good morning or goodnight.
That's just kind of like damnthis motherfucker was thinking
about you.
Like you was one of the firstthings this motherfucker thought
about when they got up.
You see what I'm saying.
So when you start to thinkabout shit like that, that's a
fucking connection it is you getwhat I'm saying.
Or for somebody to just reachout to you and be like man, I
just seen what was up with you,bro.

(52:54):
Yeah, that's a motherfuckingconnection and I started to
think about that's the shit thatpeople should really be
focusing on, because when youhave those connections with
people, I think that trustbuilds up more, because you
started to have that feelinglike I don't think you were
fucking your own.
You know so, or I'm not right.
I don't think about it becauseI'm going to trust that you

(53:18):
wouldn't.
You know what I'm saying.
It's not going to cross my mind.
So it's just like the older Iget, it's a beautiful thing, man
.
I look back on some of my oldphotos too and I'd be like this
nigga was wild.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Like straight up, like.
But you know what?
You remember that episode oflike Dave Chappelle, when he did
like it was three days, yeah,and they're like 18.
Yeah, sam had 20-something then, him in his 30s, even though it

(53:52):
was funny and whatnot.
But that's kind of like asnapshot as well, even though he
made a skit out of it andwhatnot.
But he was just kind ofexplaining like he's been like
three different people in hislife though so far, and if you
can't say that you've been adifferent person quote unquote
in your life, then you reallyhaven't made any movement.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
You haven't progressed, you haven't evolved?

Speaker 3 (54:08):
You haven't.
And then like, even withrelationships, right, you know,
like it's a beautiful thing youcan find somebody that you can
grow and progress with, right,but that takes a lot of patience
, understand, communication,effort.
I heard somebody say this,might maybe a week or two ago I
don't even comment on it, but Ihad a whole for dialogue.

(54:29):
I heard about it, okay, I mean.
But I had a whole full dialoguein my head about it.
You know what I mean.
But it was a woman.
She was just like well, no, atthis point, nigga got to take me
as I am, I ain't changing fornobody, this is just how I am,
blase, skip.
And I ain't, you know, sittingthere trying to say nothing
about women, because I've heardniggas say the same shit too.
Right, but you're going to besingle.
That was my first initialthought.

(54:49):
Like you're telling me that.
You're saying, like, take me asis, and there's no real room
for that.
When you think about sharingyour life with somebody, right,
you know what I mean, unlessyou're going to have a just very
subservient or submissivepartner where it's like, okay,
whatever you say, right.
But when she said that, youknow what I'm saying it I'm like

(55:12):
that's weak.
But when she said it, I don'tknow why I struck a nerve with
it, because I just felt likethat was a very I felt like that
was a very trauma basedstatement and I was like you,
saying it out loud, like you, soloud and wrong you know what I
mean.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
You put a stamp on it .

Speaker 3 (55:26):
You want this shit like a badge on it take me as I
am, take me as I am.
And so, like I legit, you knowI was like that's not realistic.
It's realistic if you saying youwant to be by yourself, right,
for the rest of your life.
You know what I'm, but ifyou're talking about building

(55:47):
something with somebody, youcan't say that, because what if
that one thing, or what if it'ssomething about you that can
legit?
You're telling me that you'regoing to always choose you over
what you have going Right, andwhat that means is that you're
not willing to sacrifice what itis that you say that you want
in that relationship or thatsituation.
So I just like.
When I heard it, I was like Idon't like that, because you're

(56:08):
saying that Take me as I am, I'mnot changing, that's that.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
So I agree with you.
The only thing I don't agreewith is the whole word sacrifice
, Because I think when you saysacrifice, I think that at some
point in time resentment has theopportunity to come in.
I prefer the word collaboration.
I say sacrifice.
I'm going to tell you why?

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Okay, because it's real.
It's real when you think aboutbeing with somebody for the long
haul, for real, right, right.
It might be times when you aredamn bad that your wife will
have to sacrifice, sacrificewhat I ain't saying.
I have dignity or no shit likethat.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
No, no, no, I'm just saying Bitch, make it up there,
I ain't saying nothing like that, but you got to think about it.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
If y'all used to have an imbalance and now that
balance is thrown off, itnaturally becomes an imbalance,
right?
And the person that is carryingthe most weight of that
imbalance they have to sacrifice.
They might have to give upsomething to try to maintain the
balance of what they've lost intheir partner, and the reality
of it is that works on bothsides.
So the reason I say I don'tmean sacrifice in a negative way

(57:15):
, I just mean it in a real way,like, even when you think about
the transference of emotion,what are you willing to
sacrifice, what are you willingto give up to make this work?
Because some of the stuff thatyou're coming in with.
If I got a luggage bag and inmy luggage bag I got some fresh
polos and jewelry ones, but thenI got some dirty drawers that I

(57:35):
like, right, I can't say, oh no, I'm going to keep these dirty
drawers, I got to throw them out.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I got to throw the dirty.
I got to sacrifice my dirtydrawers, even though I might
love my dirty drawers.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Right, I have to sacrifice them for the
betterment of what I'm trying todo.
If my partner like nigga, thesedirty drawers stink Right Like
they funky, right you gonna keepthem.
It's fucking up what we gotgoing.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
So I hear what you're saying and listening to that, I
think about this what if thatsacrifice does not make you
happy or does not make her?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
happy, then then it's .
It shouldn't be a sacrifice.
Sacrifice should only come ifthere's a give and take.
You can't say I'm sacrificingand we both feel shitty.
What's the point?
That's why I said collaboration.
But let me see.
But I guess I'm looking at itfrom the standpoint of where, if
you are with somebody for thelong haul, it might be times
where y'all can't collaborate.
It might be times where one ofthe people in the situation

(58:29):
might have to hold the weight.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Okay, I ain't saying forever.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Right.
But anything can happen, lifecan happen Right, and so like,
during that time it might belike no, I'm hurting, or
whatever.
Whatever might happen whenyou're with somebody for the
long haul, for real, it's notgoing to always be 50-50.
No, I totally agree with that.
Yeah, and sometimes y'all itmight you want it to be there
80-20.
Might be 80-20.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Sometimes it might be 100-0.
Right and you can't say that ina sacrifice, right?
No, that's true.
You see what I'm saying, that'strue.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I don't mean it in a negative light.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
You see what I'm saying.
It is ups and downs.
I might be up and I might belike bet it's whatever.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I might be down, I might need you to hold me.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, so that's what I mean bysacrifice.
I don't mean it in a negativeway, like you got to you know,
whatever, but it's just morealong the lines how much are you
willing to do to make this work?
You see what I'm saying To workwith me down to work with me.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
That's what I mean by that.
Yeah, no I feel you and, and,and I think like cause I've had,
I've had that conversation withpeople numerous times and it's
like how do you, how do you testthat?
You know what I gauge that atthe beginning of a relationship,
you can't, you can't.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Like you have to go through it Unless you don't just
do pranks on a nigga and shitlike, hey, I'm about to see how
this nigga's gonna respond.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I lost my job Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
But you know what Some people do, that Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
You got your job.
Yeah, you gonna hold me down,right?
Some people do that.
Where you going, you leaving ohdamn right.
Some people do that.
Where you going, you leaving ohdamn prank.
It was just a prank, right?
Hey, y'all, we gotta take abreak real quick.
Hey, yo shout out to all themotherfuckers out there man
that's making true, truesacrifices and got their ass put
out the house and that'snothing to them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
And now I ain't gonna draw, hey man, it's the shh,
but I can't say that you knowyeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
We are now back with the shits podcast.
Hey, y'all check it out.
I've learned a lot in this.
Motherfucker.
You know what I'm saying forreal.
I'ma change his name toProfessor Ill Gordon.
You know what I'm saying?
Um, hey man, let everybody knowwhen the project is out, where
they can find it.
All that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Yeah, man.
The latest project, Illustrious, is out on all streaming
outlets right now, also Bandcampand my website, barsondeckcom,
just dropped two videos.
That's also on my website, okand my soapbox.
I got a couple shows coming upas well, on the 25th and the
26th of June at the Promotoryand at Lyrics on Libation.

(01:01:11):
So you know, just trying tostay active.
Man and I got a couple of newprojects coming up as well.
My goal is to drop like fourthis year, so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Man, I'm proud of you , man, real shit Straight up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Hey man, I tell y'all .

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I tell y'all, man, like I'm a fan of real hip-hop,
real rap, raw, real rap, raw,real rap, raw.
That's my man.
Hey, I'm going to leave y'allwith this, just something for
y'all to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Think about this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
There is someone that's hoping you make it home.
If you have that thought inyour head as you leave your
house and you go through yourday, I can guarantee you that
will help you make certaindecisions.
There is someone that islooking forward for you to get
home.
Whether it be your kid, whetherit be your wife, whether it be

(01:02:06):
your dog, whether it be the bumthat you always get $2 to, or
whatever the case may be, thereis somebody that is looking
forward to you coming home andthose right.
There are connections.
Those are powerful,motherfucking connections.
Also, think about the conceptof old photos.
Think about where you came from.

(01:02:27):
Think about what you've beenthrough to get where you're at.
And there was a quote that Ihad read.
I'm trying to make sure I getit right and it went.
I am not what happened to me.
I am what I chose to become.
So think about that?
I am not.
You are not what happened toyou.

(01:02:48):
You are what you chose tobecome, because some people got
their ass whooped and theybecame pussies.
Some people got their asswhooped and they became beasts.
They became straight fighters.
Some people got into basketballgames and sucked and got booed
and all kinds of shit and theyjust quit some people and made

(01:03:10):
them stars.
I'm not talking about thefucking Timberwolves, so fucking
pissed off at the Timberwolves.
Anyway, like I always tell,y'all make fans, not followers.
Followers get you clout, butfans get you work.
Shout out to the family JoeyBryce, jalen, crystal Smoke Dog.
Shout out to B family JoeyBryce, jalen, crystal Smoke Dog.

(01:03:31):
Shout out to B Carrington.
Shout out to my man, deckerDurst.
Shout out to my man Wish.
Shout out to my man, mark G.
Anybody that has supported theShiz Podcast man, I truly do
appreciate it.
B, I know I'm going to see younext week.
I know you're going to have thetea for us and y'all make sure
y'all get in tune with my man,ill Gordon, because he's got
dope shit.

(01:03:51):
Y'all, make sure y'all get intune with my man Wish.
Anything that Decker Durst puthis hands on, y'all make sure
y'all get in tune with that shittoo, and man, we will holler at
y'all.