October 6, 2025 • 36 mins
The veil gets thin, the bonfires glow, and the stories sharpen. We dive into Halloween’s tangled roots—how Samhain marked the end of harvest, why the living lit fires to guard their thresholds, and how carved turnips crossed the ocean and became pumpkins grinning on American porches. From Pomona’s apples to medieval soul cakes, we trace the rituals that turned fear into community, and memory into tradition.
We swap honest stories, too. One of us found freedom in costumes when “weird” wasn’t welcome the rest of the year; the other grew up in a strict faith that labeled Halloween taboo—only to become obsessed with its history. That curiosity takes us through the thin places: why ancestors who lived close to land understood cycles, why science keeps affirming old wisdom about forests and networks, and why a lantern’s small light still matters. We talk about how the U.S. remixed Halloween into big-box spectacle, how the U.K. sees it differently, and why Día de Muertos deserves reverent distance and deep respect as a separate, beautiful honoring of the dead.
Pop culture gets its due because the emotions are real. Coco, Soul, Inside Out, Frozen 2—yes, we cried, and yes, the music and color feel like modern rites. Those films give us permission to grieve, remember, and reclaim identity, just like a vigil does. Under the jokes about rutabagas scaring ghosts is a simple human truth: we make small, bright defenses to face the dark together. Come for the lore and the laughs; stay for the way Halloween still holds our names, our stories, and our need to belong.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:12):
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to share a quick disclaimer.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
What's crack a lackin', Scooby-Snackin?
And by Scooby-Snackin' I meanyou sick little goons and
goblins.
Everyone knows what the mostwonderful time of the year is,
and no, it's not Sandy Clawseason, because fuck that
bastard.
And no, it's not the forgottenone in between the greatest time
of the year and another fun timeof the year.
That's right.
We're talking about spookyseason.
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Do it again.
Do it again.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
I was supposed to say Mufasa.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
It is spooky season.
Halloween.
The one night of the year whereall little freaks and geeks get
to really be themselves and notget picked on.
Or you know, the girl next door,she's feeling a little extra
spicy.
She can be the slut that'sreally deep down inside of her
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souls.
Either way, we love it all.
But before we get to thebastardized American version of
the most joyous holiday of theyear, I think we need to learn a
little bit about it.
Where it comes from, where itgoes.
Where did it come from?
Cotton Eye Joe.
I think you did enjoy that one.
SPEAKER_00 (01:49):
It got me so off guard.
SPEAKER_01 (01:52):
I don't I honestly I don't think I will ever top my
very first episode that I drove.
The topic is near to my house.
Female orgasm.
I don't think anything will beatthat.
Ever.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
No, no, that was that was a pearl-clutching
moment for sure in in the in theannals of this fucking podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
The annals of this podcast?
Anywho.
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
Anyway, hi.
SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
Anywho, I'm your host with the ghost and the most
bib, Kyle.
And here tonight is Angie.
I didn't have anything creativeto call for you.
So hey Angie, how you doingtonight?
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Hey, I'm doing good.
I'm I'm a little a little tired,a little slap happy, but I'm
doing good.
I made it through the day.
SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
Okay.
There you go.
That's all we can ask for.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
That's all we can ask for, right?
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Exactly.
I know as a fellow creepy summona bitch, you've been itching and
burning to talk about uhHalloween, and goddamn it,
that's what we're gonna kind ofdo.
We're just gonna have a littlechit-chat and then chit-chat a
little bit more.
How's that sound?
SPEAKER_00 (03:05):
That sounds great.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
One more reason to love the Irish people and my
Irish heritage is actually wayback there is where our stories
of Halloween begin.
That's right, you fuckers.
St.
Paddy's Day is an Americanholiday, as where Halloween is a
fucking Irish holiday.
So I don't really know the yearit started.
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I'm gonna ballpark and say likeBC Times.
Way the fuck back then.
It's um Halloween is aderivative from the old Irish
festival Sawin.
Sawin?
Yeah.
Yeah, Sawin.
That's what it is that's it.
I know it's one of those onesbecause it looks like it should
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be spelled like sh it looks likeit should be pronounced swarma,
but it's not because Celtic andGaelic.
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
It actually looks like it should be Sam Samha
Samhain.
SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
Yeah, Samhain and Salmon or something like that.
Or salmon or something.
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
It it definitely does not look like it should be
pronounced Sawan.
SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
Yes, exactly.
Um but either way, it's kind ofwhat Sawin was uh was kind of
like the uh Ireland, Scotland,uh Normandy area, all around
there.
It was the end of the harvestseason in the beginning of the
winter.
You know, the the the harvestand the um the fall solstice?
SPEAKER_02 (04:36):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
However it goes, all that?
Yeah, all throughout that one,but also during that time when
the night is the longest beforebefore the day, before the
before the dawn.
That was when they felt that thethe lines between this world and
the afterlife kind of getblurred.
And that's where a lot of thesouls kind of cross over.
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You see that through many, manycultures.
They all believe that um AllHallows Eve, uh the day of the
dead, so on and so forth, theyall share that same commonality.
Is that not necessarily the deadcoming back to life, like not
zombies, there's no thrillerhappening here, but you know,
the um those who have passed oncan kind of come for a visit.
A lot of the traditions in thereis, let's face it, not all souls
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are good.
All dogs go to heaven, but notall good people go to heaven,
and some of the shitty ones kindof make their ways back, you
know?
So that's where a lot of thetraditions of the
jack-o'-lanterns and dressing upand trick-or-treat and bonfires,
all that kind of stuff was usedas protection from the evil
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spirits.
So, like bonfires was exact, youknow, people having their big
bonfires to literally scareaway, you know, the evil spirits
because for whatever reasonthey're afraid of fire.
Maybe because it's light, maybebecause it's hot, maybe because
both.
Um, it would show it would lightup the dark areas, the uh the
boundaries, and it would keepthem at bay to stay in the
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shadows, if you would.
Uh jack-o' lanterns actuallystarted as turnips because they
didn't have pumpkins in Ireland,and they didn't have potatoes
either, for at least a littlebit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
So snuck and wolf shit about the potatoes.
SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
No, I'm not, um, listen, I wasn't saying anything
about you eating raw potatoes.
I was talking about the potatofamine.
That's my one per list.
So take that.
It's a genocide that MotherNature enacted upon the Irish
people.
Either way, they would uhanyway, they would carve faces
and hollow out turnips.
And it wasn't until theyimmigrated to the uh till they
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immigrated to North America,where pump were pumpkins were
more native, and they decided toswitch them because they are
much easier, because for themost part, they're already
pretty hollow.
But yes, they would they wouldcarve the faces into them little
spooky scary faces and lightthem up.
And same thing.
More lights and scary faces andscare away the spirits.
Costumes and dressing up,literally just disguising
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themselves so the spiritswouldn't recognize them or try
to dress up as monsters to scareaway the spirits.
Which is really funny becausethere's a lot of people who have
deep fears of um spirits andghosts and supernatural, but
apparently they're a bunch offucking pussies because anything
scares them, apparently.
Just dress up and they're gonnabe confused and they're not
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gonna know.
SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
What the fuck?
But um it's just yeah, you know,it's oh it's apparently just
fire in a fucking rutabaga witha smiley face on it, and oh no,
it's gonna go run for the hills.
Like, what?
Get the fuck out of here, dude.
SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
Like fire, fire and a rutabaga.
SPEAKER_01 (07:45):
You know what I mean?
Like, meanwhile, it's it's afuck it's a fucking spirit.
It can like walk through wallsand like do weird spirit shit,
and it's like, oh no, astrawberry rhubarb pie, run
away.
Like, get the fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_00 (08:04):
I'll remember how to take a rutabaga carved out, uh
carved out whatever it's.
SPEAKER_01 (08:11):
Next time you go ghost hunting, you're just gonna
have a fucking oh, but a lot ofyour other fall traditions come
from Halloween as well.
But the same thing, just more umcultures and religions as they
as they um would adopt in hereand word got around.
So like um the Roman Empire iswhere we get uh bobbing for
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apples from.
Because when they conquered thatterritory, they brought some of
their own festivals into thearea.
Uh there was uh they had theirum their festival for uh it was
the goddess of I think it wasthe forest, the forest, the
trees, it was fruit, fruit andtrees and whatnot.
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Um Pomona?
I think that was the goddess.
Yeah, it was whatever.
They had a festival for thegoddess of the fruit and the
trees and all that other funstuff, and kind of they're one
of the harvests as well.
And they would literally do thatto like show their uh that's
where bobbing for apples camefrom.
They would literally just take abunch of either apples and like
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throw them in like the rivers orwhatever the hell it is, they
would close their eyes and likeput the trust in that she
wouldn't let them drown and tryto grab the fruit with their
mouths.
Literally, that's what it was.
Only they would be a little bitmore, they would like, oh you
don't just hold on to the sidesof the barrel and go for it.
No, they would actually like tietheir hands behind their back
and like their legs and likethrow them in the river and
shit.
I'm telling you, man, you youhear some you hear some stuff
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and you're like, how did we makeit as a society?
Like, oh, this is this is fun tohonor the gods.
Yeah, well, you might get aone-week ticket to meet some of
them if it doesn't really goyour way.
SPEAKER_02 (09:46):
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:48):
And then uh then we get into like the Middle Ages,
is where trick-or-treating kindof comes through.
So we're now more of the uh likethe Anglo-Saxon traditions and
the Norman uh traditions whereit was the um they had to leave
treats and goodies and nummiesand all that fun stuff out for
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the spirits.
Um and if they didn't, you know,they would cause all sorts of
havoc.
And it didn't have to be justrandom ones, it would be like,
you know, their Uncle Hermandidn't come back and they didn't
have his favorite, you know,plate of Spitzel or something
like that out.
He's gonna like kill the goatsor like spoil the milk and the
cows or whatever the hell it is.
So they had to like leave outlittle treats, and they or so
that's where you get trick ortreat.
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Because when the when the youknow the the uh the the spirits
are coming back, the the deadones are coming back, and it was
like, oh yay, I get a littletreat.
No treat?
Okay, I'm gonna play a trick.
And then they would just likeyou know, cause vandalism, which
is fun.
SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
Yeah, I know another thing that they did was um like
in the medieval times, theywould offer prayers for the dead
in exchange for soul cakes.
Uh which were like I think theywere like spice little short
breads, but yeah, soul cakes,and which I think is a
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fascinating idea.
Like you just say a prayer andyou get a cake for saying a
prayer.
I mean, sounds like a prettyfair exchange.
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
I just it it really depends.
See, nowadays it sounds likebecause you have like Martha
Stewart and like Ace of Cakesand like Cake Boston's other
people, you have like cakecakes, but back then cake was
pretty much anything that youjust put and you just bake.
So you know, we're also talkingabout like we're also talking
about like the Middle Ages oflike England before they went
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and conquered India and they hadlike spices, and before they
decided what before they learnedwhat sugar was.
So it was pretty much just likeflour, probably just like burnt
flour was what their cakes were.
That's it.
It was just burnt flour.
So maybe maybe it was exactly,exactly, just burnt flour.
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You said it this time.
SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
Moving forward to it though, but same thing, just the
the further you get into it,yeah, the the the closer you get
to to modern day is where youstart to lose a lot of the um, I
guess, um sentimental orcultural feelings towards um
towards Halloween.
Like I said, at least I didn'tlearn this until like way, you
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know, typical child upbringingof Halloween is what I was
raised on.
So you didn't really learn thatthere was actually there
actually was like a um it wasvery it was a very sacred
holiday throughout Europe.
It was taken very, veryseriously.
Um you know, not not you know,not crapping on it nowadays.
It's fantastic, but it's justfunny because it's it's seen as
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just a it's a fun, joyous, youknow, you just get around and
you just have a good time.
As to where it was a bit morelike um like a day of almost
like a day of remembrance.
You know, families would gatherand they was just like, oh, you
know, miss, you know, you know,you miss, you know, you miss
your elder.
So think of it like that.
You know, you'd kind of think oflike that one, like your family
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would get together and you wouldsit and you would talk and
reminisce about it's almost likean in memorum that they do for
like, you know, like the awardshows and shit.
You'd get together, you'd gettogether and you have some of
your family's favorite recipes,and you know, this person passed
away and that person passedaway, and you would just kind of
talk like that.
But you know, you'd also haveall sorts of fires to keep the
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evil spirits away like that.
So it was rather nice, and nowit's just it's fun.
You know what I mean?
I'm not saying it's bad, it'sjust it's it's fun now as to not
as somber, which I think is agood thing.
Um, but of course, you know,then you have, you know, it's
it's all when it comes toAmerica, is when it starts to
get a little different.
That's when you had the peoplewhen they first immigrated, they
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still brought that traditionover, and then they were like,
wait a minute, so you you dressup to scare away the evil
spirits?
Well, what if I dress up like anevil spirit and like scare you
and like trick you into givingme more stuff?
You know what I mean?
So so that's where another thatthat's where another belief that
were um different types ofcostumes and scaring people in
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haunted houses and shit likethat would come from was the
jackasses who were still living.
They would like dress up,pretend to be people's you know,
family members, evil spirits,like whoo, abonnees are scrooge
or whatever the hell.
You know, they would all thatkind of shit.
SPEAKER_02 (14:27):
But uh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:29):
And now we just we dress up, we go knocking door to
door, and we get all sorts ofdelicious, tasty num nums, and
we get to be weird for like alittle bit once a year, and it's
socially acceptable.
SPEAKER_00 (14:40):
I was gonna say socially acceptable.
Some of us are weird all yearround.
unknown (14:45):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
If I could dump my purse for like a teeny teeny
bit, I think that's why I alwaysloved Halloween, was because
this is like so cliched for likeI feel like my generation to
say, but I don't give a shit.
Um I was the weird kid wherelike I had weird interests for
like a long time.
And um, you know, you you gotmade fun of a lot and you got
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picked on a lot, so you know,I've stopped being so open about
it, but I still loved Halloween.
Halloween was the one time ofyear where like you know,
everyone was dressing up.
So it's like it was weird if youplayed dress up like in May, but
you do it on Halloween, likeevery you're fucking weird if
you don't, you know what I mean?
And you know, doing all certainthings, so you know it's you
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know, it's it's little kid shit,except on Halloween.
On Halloween you get the pass.
And I always that's kind ofwhere like my hobbies and like
cosplaying and all sorts ofother fun stuff started too, is
because the costumes you got inthe store were always really
crappy and they were reallyexpensive.
And I grew up borderline poor asshit, so we couldn't really like
afford like the really nicecostumes.
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So I always made my costumes, Ialways like kind of thrifted
them and put them together, anduh it was so much it was a lot
more fun.
I was able to keep that creativeside of me alive through
Halloween, so that's why it gotreally, really deep um uh with
me and for me for the longesttime, and now it's it's starting
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to get to the point where likeno one's having fun with me
anymore.
They're like, yo, bro, you gottadial it the fuck back.
But we still have but we stillbut we still have a great time,
and I'll never not loveHalloween ever.
It'll never stop.
SPEAKER_00 (16:20):
I mean, you know, it's it's one of those things
where like like I get it, but Inever got to experience it, you
know, as a kid.
Because I mean we talked aboutit like a little bit in the last
episode, but being raised inlike a super, super restrictive
religious family andorganization and all that, it's
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um they hammered it pretty,pretty, pretty heavily that you
know this was like the most evilof evils, you know, like
Halloween was like worse thanany of the other holidays.
SPEAKER_01 (16:58):
Its roots are from paganism, so it makes sense that
like the arch uh one of the archrivals of that religion, like
they would see it as the worstthing ever because it did start
as a pagan ritual.
SPEAKER_00 (17:10):
I will say one of the like one of the advantages
though is that like they theywould go heavily into like all
of the origins of all of theholidays.
Um what I did get from growingup in a J Dub household um was
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it was very steeped in all ofthe like the factual historical
reasons for all of the holidays.
But instead of like kind ofbackfired because instead of it
like like me being like, oh no,that's something like I was
like, oh really, that'sfascinating.
Please fucking cool.
SPEAKER_01 (17:52):
Exactly.
He was like, hey, tell tell metell me more about this so we
know to to to stay away fromthese the bad stuff, you know.
Yeah, it's like it's like whenit's like when uh it's like when
God was first telling peopleabout Sodom and Gomorrah.
He goes, like, hey, tell us moreabout this one so so we don't
just stay away from there.
What what do they do there?
What's orgy, how do you spellthat?
O R.
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Yes, we want to make sure tostay away from there.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I've just I've just alwaysbeen like fascinated with with
uh more so the history um in inthe pagan origins of Halloween
because I mean I I've alwaysbeen like a firm believer, like
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not to get like religious aboutit, but being in like that that
kind of religious, kind ofcultist environment, and then
you break away from it, there'slike a lot of freedom in that,
you know.
It I I've studied a lot, youknow, I've I've looked at tons
of other religions and reallydone a lot of deep dives.
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And I really think like ourancient, ancient ancestors had a
lot of things, I think morecorrect than a lot of
Christianity does, um, becausethey were so attuned to like
what is actually happening inthe universe, what's happening
with the, you know, with theearth and with with the spirits
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and what happens after death.
And you know, they just were soattuned to think like what
really is the truth about thethe universe.
Because they were out there,they were in it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:38):
They were literally, they were in the world.
A lot of those more organizedreligions, they they came from
um in cities, so it's juststories that you hear.
So it's like, oh, to whatever inthe trees, this, oh, the trees
don't have this, the trees don'thave that.
Well, how the fuck do you know?
You're living in a fucking, youknow, like a flat, whatever the
fuck they call it.
You know, you know, it's likeit's like literally someone in
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like New York City trying totell you what it's like living
in the country who's never beenout of fucking yonkers in their
life.
Like, you don't fucking know.
Meanwhile, then you have thefarm boy who's just like this is
what it's like out here and allthese other noises.
I'm gonna listen to what thatperson says, it's like being out
in nature a bit more than theother person.
So exactly that, because becausethen they they just like they
lived in the middle of thefucking woods.
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Like so, of course, of course,they're gonna hear this and see
that, and it makes more sense.
It's more no pun intended, it'smore grounded that way.
SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
Right, right.
And what what tickles me morethan anything is that when like
science now will like you knowthe ancients would would tell
you like like plants and trees,they they can communicate and
they you know, and people arelike, oh, that's pagan
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superstition.
Well, science has proven thattrees form like a neural
network, you know, they cancommunicate with each other,
they have a language of theirown.
I mean, there are there aretrees that you know they they
live symbiotically with eachother to the point where they
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will grow so their limbs don'ttouch, so they can all share the
sunlight.
Like there's there's acommunication there, and there's
like an intelligence there thatmaybe we don't understand, and
it's maybe not humanintelligence, but like the
ancients knew that you know thethe people back in in in um
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Scotland and and all of thosethose really um ancient places.
I keep saying ancient, but Idon't know another word for it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:40):
Really fucking old.
SPEAKER_00 (21:42):
Really fucking old.
Yeah, they they just had thisway of knowing what's happening.
And and I think that there issomething to when they talked
about like the veil betweendimensions or what whatever you
want to call it, I think thereare times when the veil does get
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thin.
You know, and I I don't knowthat necessarily like Halloween
or you know, soin and all ofthat is necessarily the only
time.
I think there's probablymultiple times throughout the
year that that veil is thin.
Um because I can tell you, like,you know, ghost hunting and
stuff, I mean, there are timeswhere you can go into a place,
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nothing happens.
You can go back to a placemonths later, and there's a lot
of lot of stuff happening, youknow?
Um, you know, the the the veil,it's it's just the walls get
thin sometimes.
And I don't know why.
I don't know that anyone knowswhy.
(22:50):
But um yeah, I I just I justlove the history of Halloween so
much, and and like just the therituals that they would do are I
just think they're so cool,they're so badass.
SPEAKER_01 (23:06):
Oh yeah, and like plus and like the color schemes
too.
I mean, like, so okay, now wecould just talk about like just
the American bastardized versionof it all so on so far.
Like, come on, you get thefucking play dress up, you get
fucking candy, you got sickfucking awesome movies,
everything's just scary, thecolors are great, everything
smells like fucking apples, likedude.
SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
Right, what's not the love?
SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
Have I said one bad thing in the past 47 seconds?
Like, are you fucking kiddingme, man?
Come on.
And then also just with the loveof that one, you get the
absolute cinematic masterpiecethat is the goddamn gift to the
earth that is the culturalhermaphrodite that is the
nightmare before Christmas,where you get to enjoy that
movie not just year-round, butspeci but particularly during
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the Burr month.
Right because it is itcelebrates equally the greatest
holidays or the most the mostpopular holidays, I should say.
SPEAKER_00 (24:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
Like it's just you know, it's simple, it's it's
just things like that, wherethere is still that almost
anyone who has it has these uhgreat little stories of
Halloween that they share, thatthey tell over and over again.
And there was a lot of thatbecause that's where Halloween
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started as it was you weregathering and you were sharing
stories about loved ones andpast and remembering.
And at least for me, what I'venoticed is that like there's
still just when you talk aboutit, it goes, I can think of
doing this on Halloween and thaton Halloween, and it's just
people's like, whatever, the thereason was there.
You know, Halloween was thereason but Halloween was the
reason why these memories weremade because we did them on
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Halloween.
So, in a way, it is still thatvery oldest and noblest
tradition of Halloween, which isjust that it is just remembering
and continuing those stories forthe next and however it is.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Yeah, yeah.
I will say I I have recentlyfound out that like it seems
like the United States really,really goes way, way all out for
Halloween, more so than a lot ofother countries.
I mean, I think because youknow, we we have our we have our
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you know, what we call internetfriends, right?
But I was in an interestingconversation with some um some
people from uh the UK, and youknow, they just yeah, no, it
wasn't those ladies, but it wassomebody else.
SPEAKER_02 (25:43):
Um Hey lady.
SPEAKER_00 (25:49):
It was actually a man.
What's up, bro?
What's up, Chris?
Um but anyway, there were therewere some other people there
from the UK too in theconversation.
But anyway, the point is thatthey were talking about like how
different the Halloween isviewed in the United States
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versus like the UK.
Like even like we were we weredoing a deep dive on like Spirit
Halloween, the pop-up storesthat everyone loves, right?
Like they don't they don't havethose type of stores in the UK.
And they were just like, This isthis is like a dream.
Like we we wish we had storeslike that.
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You just kind of forget likewhat do you expect?
SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
They prefer their they prefer their guinness piss
warm.
The fuck do you expect?
SPEAKER_00 (26:44):
But you know, it's just like I you just always
think like Halloween is likethis big thing, and I think it's
a big thing because like it'spart of like maybe American
culture at this point thatHalloween is what it is that you
and I know it as.
But like trick-or-treating andall of those kind of those
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traditions are not really bigthings in other countries, no,
they're US, yeah.
Yeah, and it but I think likealso I I think one of the most
beautiful um cultural um thingsis is the day of the dead.
I absolutely love everythingthere there is about the day of
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the dead.
I mean, just that that is suchan iconic cultural moment once a
year.
SPEAKER_01 (27:39):
You you want to talk about you want to talk about you
want to talk about somethinglike yeah, we talk about this
okay, Halloween is very, verydifferent from um from Day of
the Dead.
It is very different.
You want to talk about a youwant to talk about a fucking
bash.
You want to talk about a goddamnparty, you're talking about a
fucking event.
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That that is huge.
SPEAKER_00 (28:03):
Yeah.
But like what it what an what anwhat a beautiful way to honor
those that have passed.
I think it's just I think it'ssuch a beautiful thing in that
culture to to have that and theway that they honor their the
ones that have passed on.
I just think it's just sobeautiful.
SPEAKER_01 (28:25):
Oh yeah.
It's just and I'm just gonna goahead and say it.
I don't I don't give a flyingfuck if this is insensitive or
whatnot.
I know it's not, but Coco is oneof the greatest fucking Disney
and Pixar movies ever made.
I fucking love that movie sofucking much.
It is so well done.
SPEAKER_00 (28:46):
Just take your word on it.
I've not seen it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:49):
You haven't?
Oh, it's fucking life-changing.
It really is, but like Igenuinely do have friends who
are um Mexican and LatinAmerican descent and so on and
so forth.
And they said he goes, like, notonly that, like not only is it
just a really good movie, butlike they did an insane amount
of justice to the actual of whatit is like.
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Like they didn't undersell it,they didn't oversell it.
Like they that's exactly whatthe um um Diela Mortas is like.
Like the the whole fucking thewhole fucking country shuts
down.
And the food and the music andhow everyone does go to the
cemeteries and all of that.
It is so fucking serious.
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Like, just I cannot recommendthat movie enough.
Not only like is it just areally good movie, but too, but
it just the cinematics of it,it's it's gorgeous.
The colors, the lighting, all ofit is just oh, to make me
fucking cry.
It's so so good.
SPEAKER_00 (29:45):
You've you've sold me.
I need to get I need to watchthat movie now.
SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
You do get get your tissues.
You're gonna be boohooing like amotherfucker, but oh no.
It's so worth it.
It's so worth it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:58):
Man, I'm telling you, I'm tired of.
Crying at cartoons, though.
SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
I love crying at cartoons.
I really do.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
Because the the last one that I absolutely lost my
shit on and cried.
I mean, like ugly cried withSouls.
SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
Soul with uh with um Jamie Foxx.
SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
Uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
The jazz musician?
SPEAKER_00 (30:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:26):
Yeah.
Oh, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_00 (30:28):
That ripped me to shreds.
And I'm like, I cannot standcrying at a cartoon anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (30:39):
Oh, that's another, that's another.
I was not expecting to be as hitas hard as that movie.
Like it's it's a Disney movie,so you know there's already
gotta be, like, you know it'scoming at some point.
But there's uh oh my god, it'sgotten so oh my god, it's gotten
so much worse for for Lauren andI since we became parents.
SPEAKER_02 (31:01):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01 (31:03):
Like we watched Inside Out and Inside Out was
fine.
It was oh, and it was sweet.
You've seen Inside Out, right?
SPEAKER_00 (31:09):
I have not seen Inside Out.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Really?
Okay, so I remember, but there'sthere's one scene where like
same thing.
There's another one, it's likethe big boo-hoo part, it's kind
of it's like the last act of themovie.
And yeah, it was sad andwhatever, but now we watch it
like as parents, because likeyou know, the the movie, you
know, it's like it all happens,like the little girl's emotions
in her head and so on and soforth.
You know, we have little girls.
It hits us so much harder now.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:34):
Like seeing that and just oh, it's it's wild now.
But um, we we kind of laughabout it now.
I don't care.
You anyone and everyone canjudge me about this one.
I don't even if you cut thisout, I'll give a fuck.
If you leave it, I expect you tokind of leave it in just to see
if people fuck with me about it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:55):
No during lockdown.
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
During lockdown, yeah.
Um we we were watching Frozen 2.
I swear to God, dude.
We were we were not okay duringthat movie.
We were not okay.
So this was this before we hadkids, same thing.
(32:17):
We were still like, okay.
Have you seen that one?
Have you seen any of the fuckingmovies I've ran for this
tonight?
Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
I you haven't seen Frozen 2, got it.
No, I think I have I no, I thinkI have uh was that the is that
the one with the with the uhrock with the rocks with the
rock with the big rock people?
SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
With the big rock ones and the and the dam and
going to the past, andessentially it was the movie the
fifth element, but as told byDisney.
SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure of, yeah.
Okay, then I've seen it.
SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
Personal opinion, Ion is better than the first.
Either way.
Um so when she gets to AtaHolland and she's there and
she's singing the song ShowYourself, like dude, first off,
shouts out Tidina Manzo.
Love you, baby.
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Oh my god.
Like, love her.
The voice of a fucking angel.
And that song is just like soit's so just powerful, and like,
you know, it's a bit like, youknow, exactly like show
yourself, like be yourself.
Like, don't, you know, samething, like don't show their
ways of like exactly born thisway, be yourself, be comfortable
(33:34):
with who you are, allempowering, right?
For Lauren and I, we had we wehad problems with that when we
were kids, so it's blown on thatheartstring a little bit.
But there's that one bit likealmost towards the song where
it's like the big operatic oryeah, like the the uh the
operatic type of orchestra partto it comes in, and she's seeing
(33:54):
the memory and she's seeing likeher mother singing, and she
starts crying when she says, Iam right, and then the big boom,
and her mother is singing, andshe's starting to cry, and so on
and so forth.
Lauren and I we're not we don'tknow that each other is like
losing their shit at this timebecause we're just we're just
about I I think I left out theimportant part.
(34:18):
Um, we we were living with herparents at the time back in
Connecticut.
Our room was the finishedbasement.
So it's like, so we're downthere, it's just before dinner
time, so it's like four o'clock,five o'clock, and uh lights are
off.
So we're just there and thismovie's playing, and then as
soon as literally like right asthe song ends, her mom yells
(34:38):
down, all right, dinner, allright, dinner, and we just pause
it, we look at each other, andwe're both fucking messies.
We're both and we're like,that's a good time, that's a
good place to stop.
We're both we're both like oureyes are completely glassed
over.
We are fighting, dude.
(34:59):
We are fighting the good fightto not just so we both go
upstairs.
So we both go upstairs, our momtakes one look at us and goes,
what the fuck is going on?
And we just start laughing aswe're like bawling our eyes out,
right?
Yeah, man, once again, music,shit's powerful, man.
Yeah, shit's powerful.
SPEAKER_00 (35:20):
And with that, the fire is dying and the spirits
are retreating.
But before we vanish into thefog, like all good goals in the
night, we ask you, dearlisteners, to follow us wherever
you listen to podcasts onwhatever haunted corners of the
internet you scroll through at 3a.m., like, comment, subscribe,
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leave us a review, or you canleave us an offering.
We prefer five stars or freshblood, it's your choice.
Uh, and if you feel somethingbrushed past you after this
episode ends, it's probably justus whispering thanks for
listening.
Until next time, stay strange,stay spooky, and don't forget to
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check under your bed.
You're gonna say bye.
Say bye, Kyle.
SPEAKER_01 (36:13):
Trick or treat, smell my feet.
Give me something good to eat.
If you don't, I don't care.
I will pull down your underwear.
SPEAKER_00 (36:23):
No comment.
Before we begin today's episode, we would like
to share a quick disclaimer.
The views, opinions, andstatements expressed by the
hosts and guests on this podcastare their own personal views and
are provided in their owncapacity.
All content is editorial,opinion-based, and intended for
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Listener discretion is advised.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
What's crack a lackin', Scooby-Snackin?
And by Scooby-Snackin' I meanyou sick little goons and
goblins.
Everyone knows what the mostwonderful time of the year is,
and no, it's not Sandy Clawseason, because fuck that
bastard.
And no, it's not the forgottenone in between the greatest time
of the year and another fun timeof the year.
That's right.
We're talking about spookyseason.
(01:01):
Do it again.
Do it again.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
I was supposed to say Mufasa.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
It is spooky season.
Halloween.
The one night of the year whereall little freaks and geeks get
to really be themselves and notget picked on.
Or you know, the girl next door,she's feeling a little extra
spicy.
She can be the slut that'sreally deep down inside of her
(01:27):
souls.
Either way, we love it all.
But before we get to thebastardized American version of
the most joyous holiday of theyear, I think we need to learn a
little bit about it.
Where it comes from, where itgoes.
Where did it come from?
Cotton Eye Joe.
I think you did enjoy that one.
SPEAKER_00 (01:49):
It got me so off guard.
SPEAKER_01 (01:52):
I don't I honestly I don't think I will ever top my
very first episode that I drove.
The topic is near to my house.
Female orgasm.
I don't think anything will beatthat.
Ever.
SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
No, no, that was that was a pearl-clutching
moment for sure in in the in theannals of this fucking podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
The annals of this podcast?
Anywho.
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
Anyway, hi.
SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
Anywho, I'm your host with the ghost and the most
bib, Kyle.
And here tonight is Angie.
I didn't have anything creativeto call for you.
So hey Angie, how you doingtonight?
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Hey, I'm doing good.
I'm I'm a little a little tired,a little slap happy, but I'm
doing good.
I made it through the day.
SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
Okay.
There you go.
That's all we can ask for.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
That's all we can ask for, right?
SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Exactly.
I know as a fellow creepy summona bitch, you've been itching and
burning to talk about uhHalloween, and goddamn it,
that's what we're gonna kind ofdo.
We're just gonna have a littlechit-chat and then chit-chat a
little bit more.
How's that sound?
SPEAKER_00 (03:05):
That sounds great.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
One more reason to love the Irish people and my
Irish heritage is actually wayback there is where our stories
of Halloween begin.
That's right, you fuckers.
St.
Paddy's Day is an Americanholiday, as where Halloween is a
fucking Irish holiday.
So I don't really know the yearit started.
(03:31):
I'm gonna ballpark and say likeBC Times.
Way the fuck back then.
It's um Halloween is aderivative from the old Irish
festival Sawin.
Sawin?
Yeah.
Yeah, Sawin.
That's what it is that's it.
I know it's one of those onesbecause it looks like it should
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be spelled like sh it looks likeit should be pronounced swarma,
but it's not because Celtic andGaelic.
You know?
SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
It actually looks like it should be Sam Samha
Samhain.
SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
Yeah, Samhain and Salmon or something like that.
Or salmon or something.
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
It it definitely does not look like it should be
pronounced Sawan.
SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
Yes, exactly.
Um but either way, it's kind ofwhat Sawin was uh was kind of
like the uh Ireland, Scotland,uh Normandy area, all around
there.
It was the end of the harvestseason in the beginning of the
winter.
You know, the the the harvestand the um the fall solstice?
SPEAKER_02 (04:36):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
However it goes, all that?
Yeah, all throughout that one,but also during that time when
the night is the longest beforebefore the day, before the
before the dawn.
That was when they felt that thethe lines between this world and
the afterlife kind of getblurred.
And that's where a lot of thesouls kind of cross over.
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You see that through many, manycultures.
They all believe that um AllHallows Eve, uh the day of the
dead, so on and so forth, theyall share that same commonality.
Is that not necessarily the deadcoming back to life, like not
zombies, there's no thrillerhappening here, but you know,
the um those who have passed oncan kind of come for a visit.
A lot of the traditions in thereis, let's face it, not all souls
(05:22):
are good.
All dogs go to heaven, but notall good people go to heaven,
and some of the shitty ones kindof make their ways back, you
know?
So that's where a lot of thetraditions of the
jack-o'-lanterns and dressing upand trick-or-treat and bonfires,
all that kind of stuff was usedas protection from the evil
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spirits.
So, like bonfires was exact, youknow, people having their big
bonfires to literally scareaway, you know, the evil spirits
because for whatever reasonthey're afraid of fire.
Maybe because it's light, maybebecause it's hot, maybe because
both.
Um, it would show it would lightup the dark areas, the uh the
boundaries, and it would keepthem at bay to stay in the
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shadows, if you would.
Uh jack-o' lanterns actuallystarted as turnips because they
didn't have pumpkins in Ireland,and they didn't have potatoes
either, for at least a littlebit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
So snuck and wolf shit about the potatoes.
SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
No, I'm not, um, listen, I wasn't saying anything
about you eating raw potatoes.
I was talking about the potatofamine.
That's my one per list.
So take that.
It's a genocide that MotherNature enacted upon the Irish
people.
Either way, they would uhanyway, they would carve faces
and hollow out turnips.
And it wasn't until theyimmigrated to the uh till they
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immigrated to North America,where pump were pumpkins were
more native, and they decided toswitch them because they are
much easier, because for themost part, they're already
pretty hollow.
But yes, they would they wouldcarve the faces into them little
spooky scary faces and lightthem up.
And same thing.
More lights and scary faces andscare away the spirits.
Costumes and dressing up,literally just disguising
(07:06):
themselves so the spiritswouldn't recognize them or try
to dress up as monsters to scareaway the spirits.
Which is really funny becausethere's a lot of people who have
deep fears of um spirits andghosts and supernatural, but
apparently they're a bunch offucking pussies because anything
scares them, apparently.
Just dress up and they're gonnabe confused and they're not
(07:28):
gonna know.
SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (07:30):
What the fuck?
But um it's just yeah, you know,it's oh it's apparently just
fire in a fucking rutabaga witha smiley face on it, and oh no,
it's gonna go run for the hills.
Like, what?
Get the fuck out of here, dude.
SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
Like fire, fire and a rutabaga.
SPEAKER_01 (07:45):
You know what I mean?
Like, meanwhile, it's it's afuck it's a fucking spirit.
It can like walk through wallsand like do weird spirit shit,
and it's like, oh no, astrawberry rhubarb pie, run
away.
Like, get the fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_00 (08:04):
I'll remember how to take a rutabaga carved out, uh
carved out whatever it's.
SPEAKER_01 (08:11):
Next time you go ghost hunting, you're just gonna
have a fucking oh, but a lot ofyour other fall traditions come
from Halloween as well.
But the same thing, just more umcultures and religions as they
as they um would adopt in hereand word got around.
So like um the Roman Empire iswhere we get uh bobbing for
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apples from.
Because when they conquered thatterritory, they brought some of
their own festivals into thearea.
Uh there was uh they had theirum their festival for uh it was
the goddess of I think it wasthe forest, the forest, the
trees, it was fruit, fruit andtrees and whatnot.
(08:53):
Um Pomona?
I think that was the goddess.
Yeah, it was whatever.
They had a festival for thegoddess of the fruit and the
trees and all that other funstuff, and kind of they're one
of the harvests as well.
And they would literally do thatto like show their uh that's
where bobbing for apples camefrom.
They would literally just take abunch of either apples and like
(09:14):
throw them in like the rivers orwhatever the hell it is, they
would close their eyes and likeput the trust in that she
wouldn't let them drown and tryto grab the fruit with their
mouths.
Literally, that's what it was.
Only they would be a little bitmore, they would like, oh you
don't just hold on to the sidesof the barrel and go for it.
No, they would actually like tietheir hands behind their back
and like their legs and likethrow them in the river and
shit.
I'm telling you, man, you youhear some you hear some stuff
(09:35):
and you're like, how did we makeit as a society?
Like, oh, this is this is fun tohonor the gods.
Yeah, well, you might get aone-week ticket to meet some of
them if it doesn't really goyour way.
SPEAKER_02 (09:46):
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:48):
And then uh then we get into like the Middle Ages,
is where trick-or-treating kindof comes through.
So we're now more of the uh likethe Anglo-Saxon traditions and
the Norman uh traditions whereit was the um they had to leave
treats and goodies and nummiesand all that fun stuff out for
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the spirits.
Um and if they didn't, you know,they would cause all sorts of
havoc.
And it didn't have to be justrandom ones, it would be like,
you know, their Uncle Hermandidn't come back and they didn't
have his favorite, you know,plate of Spitzel or something
like that out.
He's gonna like kill the goatsor like spoil the milk and the
cows or whatever the hell it is.
So they had to like leave outlittle treats, and they or so
that's where you get trick ortreat.
(10:32):
Because when the when the youknow the the uh the the spirits
are coming back, the the deadones are coming back, and it was
like, oh yay, I get a littletreat.
No treat?
Okay, I'm gonna play a trick.
And then they would just likeyou know, cause vandalism, which
is fun.
SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
Yeah, I know another thing that they did was um like
in the medieval times, theywould offer prayers for the dead
in exchange for soul cakes.
Uh which were like I think theywere like spice little short
breads, but yeah, soul cakes,and which I think is a
(11:08):
fascinating idea.
Like you just say a prayer andyou get a cake for saying a
prayer.
I mean, sounds like a prettyfair exchange.
SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
I just it it really depends.
See, nowadays it sounds likebecause you have like Martha
Stewart and like Ace of Cakesand like Cake Boston's other
people, you have like cakecakes, but back then cake was
pretty much anything that youjust put and you just bake.
So you know, we're also talkingabout like we're also talking
about like the Middle Ages oflike England before they went
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and conquered India and they hadlike spices, and before they
decided what before they learnedwhat sugar was.
So it was pretty much just likeflour, probably just like burnt
flour was what their cakes were.
That's it.
It was just burnt flour.
So maybe maybe it was exactly,exactly, just burnt flour.
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You said it this time.
SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
Moving forward to it though, but same thing, just the
the further you get into it,yeah, the the the closer you get
to to modern day is where youstart to lose a lot of the um, I
guess, um sentimental orcultural feelings towards um
towards Halloween.
Like I said, at least I didn'tlearn this until like way, you
(12:27):
know, typical child upbringingof Halloween is what I was
raised on.
So you didn't really learn thatthere was actually there
actually was like a um it wasvery it was a very sacred
holiday throughout Europe.
It was taken very, veryseriously.
Um you know, not not you know,not crapping on it nowadays.
It's fantastic, but it's justfunny because it's it's seen as
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just a it's a fun, joyous, youknow, you just get around and
you just have a good time.
As to where it was a bit morelike um like a day of almost
like a day of remembrance.
You know, families would gatherand they was just like, oh, you
know, miss, you know, you know,you miss, you know, you miss
your elder.
So think of it like that.
You know, you'd kind of think oflike that one, like your family
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would get together and you wouldsit and you would talk and
reminisce about it's almost likean in memorum that they do for
like, you know, like the awardshows and shit.
You'd get together, you'd gettogether and you have some of
your family's favorite recipes,and you know, this person passed
away and that person passedaway, and you would just kind of
talk like that.
But you know, you'd also haveall sorts of fires to keep the
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evil spirits away like that.
So it was rather nice, and nowit's just it's fun.
You know what I mean?
I'm not saying it's bad, it'sjust it's it's fun now as to not
as somber, which I think is agood thing.
Um, but of course, you know,then you have, you know, it's
it's all when it comes toAmerica, is when it starts to
get a little different.
That's when you had the peoplewhen they first immigrated, they
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still brought that traditionover, and then they were like,
wait a minute, so you you dressup to scare away the evil
spirits?
Well, what if I dress up like anevil spirit and like scare you
and like trick you into givingme more stuff?
You know what I mean?
So so that's where another thatthat's where another belief that
were um different types ofcostumes and scaring people in
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haunted houses and shit likethat would come from was the
jackasses who were still living.
They would like dress up,pretend to be people's you know,
family members, evil spirits,like whoo, abonnees are scrooge
or whatever the hell.
You know, they would all thatkind of shit.
SPEAKER_02 (14:27):
But uh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:29):
And now we just we dress up, we go knocking door to
door, and we get all sorts ofdelicious, tasty num nums, and
we get to be weird for like alittle bit once a year, and it's
socially acceptable.
SPEAKER_00 (14:40):
I was gonna say socially acceptable.
Some of us are weird all yearround.
unknown (14:45):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
If I could dump my purse for like a teeny teeny
bit, I think that's why I alwaysloved Halloween, was because
this is like so cliched for likeI feel like my generation to
say, but I don't give a shit.
Um I was the weird kid wherelike I had weird interests for
like a long time.
And um, you know, you you gotmade fun of a lot and you got
(15:06):
picked on a lot, so you know,I've stopped being so open about
it, but I still loved Halloween.
Halloween was the one time ofyear where like you know,
everyone was dressing up.
So it's like it was weird if youplayed dress up like in May, but
you do it on Halloween, likeevery you're fucking weird if
you don't, you know what I mean?
And you know, doing all certainthings, so you know it's you
(15:27):
know, it's it's little kid shit,except on Halloween.
On Halloween you get the pass.
And I always that's kind ofwhere like my hobbies and like
cosplaying and all sorts ofother fun stuff started too, is
because the costumes you got inthe store were always really
crappy and they were reallyexpensive.
And I grew up borderline poor asshit, so we couldn't really like
afford like the really nicecostumes.
(15:48):
So I always made my costumes, Ialways like kind of thrifted
them and put them together, anduh it was so much it was a lot
more fun.
I was able to keep that creativeside of me alive through
Halloween, so that's why it gotreally, really deep um uh with
me and for me for the longesttime, and now it's it's starting
(16:09):
to get to the point where likeno one's having fun with me
anymore.
They're like, yo, bro, you gottadial it the fuck back.
But we still have but we stillbut we still have a great time,
and I'll never not loveHalloween ever.
It'll never stop.
SPEAKER_00 (16:20):
I mean, you know, it's it's one of those things
where like like I get it, but Inever got to experience it, you
know, as a kid.
Because I mean we talked aboutit like a little bit in the last
episode, but being raised inlike a super, super restrictive
religious family andorganization and all that, it's
(16:42):
um they hammered it pretty,pretty, pretty heavily that you
know this was like the most evilof evils, you know, like
Halloween was like worse thanany of the other holidays.
SPEAKER_01 (16:58):
Its roots are from paganism, so it makes sense that
like the arch uh one of the archrivals of that religion, like
they would see it as the worstthing ever because it did start
as a pagan ritual.
SPEAKER_00 (17:10):
I will say one of the like one of the advantages
though is that like they theywould go heavily into like all
of the origins of all of theholidays.
Um what I did get from growingup in a J Dub household um was
(17:30):
it was very steeped in all ofthe like the factual historical
reasons for all of the holidays.
But instead of like kind ofbackfired because instead of it
like like me being like, oh no,that's something like I was
like, oh really, that'sfascinating.
Please fucking cool.
SPEAKER_01 (17:52):
Exactly.
He was like, hey, tell tell metell me more about this so we
know to to to stay away fromthese the bad stuff, you know.
Yeah, it's like it's like whenit's like when uh it's like when
God was first telling peopleabout Sodom and Gomorrah.
He goes, like, hey, tell us moreabout this one so so we don't
just stay away from there.
What what do they do there?
What's orgy, how do you spellthat?
O R.
(18:13):
Yes, we want to make sure tostay away from there.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I've just I've just alwaysbeen like fascinated with with
uh more so the history um in inthe pagan origins of Halloween
because I mean I I've alwaysbeen like a firm believer, like
(18:36):
not to get like religious aboutit, but being in like that that
kind of religious, kind ofcultist environment, and then
you break away from it, there'slike a lot of freedom in that,
you know.
It I I've studied a lot, youknow, I've I've looked at tons
of other religions and reallydone a lot of deep dives.
(18:59):
And I really think like ourancient, ancient ancestors had a
lot of things, I think morecorrect than a lot of
Christianity does, um, becausethey were so attuned to like
what is actually happening inthe universe, what's happening
with the, you know, with theearth and with with the spirits
(19:23):
and what happens after death.
And you know, they just were soattuned to think like what
really is the truth about thethe universe.
Because they were out there,they were in it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:38):
They were literally, they were in the world.
A lot of those more organizedreligions, they they came from
um in cities, so it's juststories that you hear.
So it's like, oh, to whatever inthe trees, this, oh, the trees
don't have this, the trees don'thave that.
Well, how the fuck do you know?
You're living in a fucking, youknow, like a flat, whatever the
fuck they call it.
You know, you know, it's likeit's like literally someone in
(19:58):
like New York City trying totell you what it's like living
in the country who's never beenout of fucking yonkers in their
life.
Like, you don't fucking know.
Meanwhile, then you have thefarm boy who's just like this is
what it's like out here and allthese other noises.
I'm gonna listen to what thatperson says, it's like being out
in nature a bit more than theother person.
So exactly that, because becausethen they they just like they
lived in the middle of thefucking woods.
(20:20):
Like so, of course, of course,they're gonna hear this and see
that, and it makes more sense.
It's more no pun intended, it'smore grounded that way.
SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
Right, right.
And what what tickles me morethan anything is that when like
science now will like you knowthe ancients would would tell
you like like plants and trees,they they can communicate and
they you know, and people arelike, oh, that's pagan
(20:48):
superstition.
Well, science has proven thattrees form like a neural
network, you know, they cancommunicate with each other,
they have a language of theirown.
I mean, there are there aretrees that you know they they
live symbiotically with eachother to the point where they
(21:09):
will grow so their limbs don'ttouch, so they can all share the
sunlight.
Like there's there's acommunication there, and there's
like an intelligence there thatmaybe we don't understand, and
it's maybe not humanintelligence, but like the
ancients knew that you know thethe people back in in in um
(21:30):
Scotland and and all of thosethose really um ancient places.
I keep saying ancient, but Idon't know another word for it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:40):
Really fucking old.
SPEAKER_00 (21:42):
Really fucking old.
Yeah, they they just had thisway of knowing what's happening.
And and I think that there issomething to when they talked
about like the veil betweendimensions or what whatever you
want to call it, I think thereare times when the veil does get
(22:07):
thin.
You know, and I I don't knowthat necessarily like Halloween
or you know, soin and all ofthat is necessarily the only
time.
I think there's probablymultiple times throughout the
year that that veil is thin.
Um because I can tell you, like,you know, ghost hunting and
stuff, I mean, there are timeswhere you can go into a place,
(22:29):
nothing happens.
You can go back to a placemonths later, and there's a lot
of lot of stuff happening, youknow?
Um, you know, the the the veil,it's it's just the walls get
thin sometimes.
And I don't know why.
I don't know that anyone knowswhy.
(22:50):
But um yeah, I I just I justlove the history of Halloween so
much, and and like just the therituals that they would do are I
just think they're so cool,they're so badass.
SPEAKER_01 (23:06):
Oh yeah, and like plus and like the color schemes
too.
I mean, like, so okay, now wecould just talk about like just
the American bastardized versionof it all so on so far.
Like, come on, you get thefucking play dress up, you get
fucking candy, you got sickfucking awesome movies,
everything's just scary, thecolors are great, everything
smells like fucking apples, likedude.
SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
Right, what's not the love?
SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
Have I said one bad thing in the past 47 seconds?
Like, are you fucking kiddingme, man?
Come on.
And then also just with the loveof that one, you get the
absolute cinematic masterpiecethat is the goddamn gift to the
earth that is the culturalhermaphrodite that is the
nightmare before Christmas,where you get to enjoy that
movie not just year-round, butspeci but particularly during
(23:53):
the Burr month.
Right because it is itcelebrates equally the greatest
holidays or the most the mostpopular holidays, I should say.
SPEAKER_00 (24:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
Like it's just you know, it's simple, it's it's
just things like that, wherethere is still that almost
anyone who has it has these uhgreat little stories of
Halloween that they share, thatthey tell over and over again.
And there was a lot of thatbecause that's where Halloween
(24:24):
started as it was you weregathering and you were sharing
stories about loved ones andpast and remembering.
And at least for me, what I'venoticed is that like there's
still just when you talk aboutit, it goes, I can think of
doing this on Halloween and thaton Halloween, and it's just
people's like, whatever, the thereason was there.
You know, Halloween was thereason but Halloween was the
reason why these memories weremade because we did them on
(24:44):
Halloween.
So, in a way, it is still thatvery oldest and noblest
tradition of Halloween, which isjust that it is just remembering
and continuing those stories forthe next and however it is.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Yeah, yeah.
I will say I I have recentlyfound out that like it seems
like the United States really,really goes way, way all out for
Halloween, more so than a lot ofother countries.
I mean, I think because youknow, we we have our we have our
(25:23):
you know, what we call internetfriends, right?
But I was in an interestingconversation with some um some
people from uh the UK, and youknow, they just yeah, no, it
wasn't those ladies, but it wassomebody else.
SPEAKER_02 (25:43):
Um Hey lady.
SPEAKER_00 (25:49):
It was actually a man.
What's up, bro?
What's up, Chris?
Um but anyway, there were therewere some other people there
from the UK too in theconversation.
But anyway, the point is thatthey were talking about like how
different the Halloween isviewed in the United States
(26:15):
versus like the UK.
Like even like we were we weredoing a deep dive on like Spirit
Halloween, the pop-up storesthat everyone loves, right?
Like they don't they don't havethose type of stores in the UK.
And they were just like, This isthis is like a dream.
Like we we wish we had storeslike that.
(26:36):
You just kind of forget likewhat do you expect?
SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
They prefer their they prefer their guinness piss
warm.
The fuck do you expect?
SPEAKER_00 (26:44):
But you know, it's just like I you just always
think like Halloween is likethis big thing, and I think it's
a big thing because like it'spart of like maybe American
culture at this point thatHalloween is what it is that you
and I know it as.
But like trick-or-treating andall of those kind of those
(27:05):
traditions are not really bigthings in other countries, no,
they're US, yeah.
Yeah, and it but I think likealso I I think one of the most
beautiful um cultural um thingsis is the day of the dead.
I absolutely love everythingthere there is about the day of
(27:29):
the dead.
I mean, just that that is suchan iconic cultural moment once a
year.
SPEAKER_01 (27:39):
You you want to talk about you want to talk about you
want to talk about somethinglike yeah, we talk about this
okay, Halloween is very, verydifferent from um from Day of
the Dead.
It is very different.
You want to talk about a youwant to talk about a fucking
bash.
You want to talk about a goddamnparty, you're talking about a
fucking event.
(27:59):
That that is huge.
SPEAKER_00 (28:03):
Yeah.
But like what it what an what anwhat a beautiful way to honor
those that have passed.
I think it's just I think it'ssuch a beautiful thing in that
culture to to have that and theway that they honor their the
ones that have passed on.
I just think it's just sobeautiful.
SPEAKER_01 (28:25):
Oh yeah.
It's just and I'm just gonna goahead and say it.
I don't I don't give a flyingfuck if this is insensitive or
whatnot.
I know it's not, but Coco is oneof the greatest fucking Disney
and Pixar movies ever made.
I fucking love that movie sofucking much.
It is so well done.
SPEAKER_00 (28:46):
Just take your word on it.
I've not seen it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:49):
You haven't?
Oh, it's fucking life-changing.
It really is, but like Igenuinely do have friends who
are um Mexican and LatinAmerican descent and so on and
so forth.
And they said he goes, like, notonly that, like not only is it
just a really good movie, butlike they did an insane amount
of justice to the actual of whatit is like.
(29:09):
Like they didn't undersell it,they didn't oversell it.
Like they that's exactly whatthe um um Diela Mortas is like.
Like the the whole fucking thewhole fucking country shuts
down.
And the food and the music andhow everyone does go to the
cemeteries and all of that.
It is so fucking serious.
(29:30):
Like, just I cannot recommendthat movie enough.
Not only like is it just areally good movie, but too, but
it just the cinematics of it,it's it's gorgeous.
The colors, the lighting, all ofit is just oh, to make me
fucking cry.
It's so so good.
SPEAKER_00 (29:45):
You've you've sold me.
I need to get I need to watchthat movie now.
SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
You do get get your tissues.
You're gonna be boohooing like amotherfucker, but oh no.
It's so worth it.
It's so worth it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:58):
Man, I'm telling you, I'm tired of.
Crying at cartoons, though.
SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
I love crying at cartoons.
I really do.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
Because the the last one that I absolutely lost my
shit on and cried.
I mean, like ugly cried withSouls.
SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
Soul with uh with um Jamie Foxx.
SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
Uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
The jazz musician?
SPEAKER_00 (30:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:26):
Yeah.
Oh, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_00 (30:28):
That ripped me to shreds.
And I'm like, I cannot standcrying at a cartoon anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (30:39):
Oh, that's another, that's another.
I was not expecting to be as hitas hard as that movie.
Like it's it's a Disney movie,so you know there's already
gotta be, like, you know it'scoming at some point.
But there's uh oh my god, it'sgotten so oh my god, it's gotten
so much worse for for Lauren andI since we became parents.
SPEAKER_02 (31:01):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01 (31:03):
Like we watched Inside Out and Inside Out was
fine.
It was oh, and it was sweet.
You've seen Inside Out, right?
SPEAKER_00 (31:09):
I have not seen Inside Out.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Really?
Okay, so I remember, but there'sthere's one scene where like
same thing.
There's another one, it's likethe big boo-hoo part, it's kind
of it's like the last act of themovie.
And yeah, it was sad andwhatever, but now we watch it
like as parents, because likeyou know, the the movie, you
know, it's like it all happens,like the little girl's emotions
in her head and so on and soforth.
You know, we have little girls.
It hits us so much harder now.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:34):
Like seeing that and just oh, it's it's wild now.
But um, we we kind of laughabout it now.
I don't care.
You anyone and everyone canjudge me about this one.
I don't even if you cut thisout, I'll give a fuck.
If you leave it, I expect you tokind of leave it in just to see
if people fuck with me about it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:55):
No during lockdown.
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
During lockdown, yeah.
Um we we were watching Frozen 2.
I swear to God, dude.
We were we were not okay duringthat movie.
We were not okay.
So this was this before we hadkids, same thing.
(32:17):
We were still like, okay.
Have you seen that one?
Have you seen any of the fuckingmovies I've ran for this
tonight?
Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
I you haven't seen Frozen 2, got it.
No, I think I have I no, I thinkI have uh was that the is that
the one with the with the uhrock with the rocks with the
rock with the big rock people?
SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
With the big rock ones and the and the dam and
going to the past, andessentially it was the movie the
fifth element, but as told byDisney.
SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure of, yeah.
Okay, then I've seen it.
SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
Personal opinion, Ion is better than the first.
Either way.
Um so when she gets to AtaHolland and she's there and
she's singing the song ShowYourself, like dude, first off,
shouts out Tidina Manzo.
Love you, baby.
(33:13):
Oh my god.
Like, love her.
The voice of a fucking angel.
And that song is just like soit's so just powerful, and like,
you know, it's a bit like, youknow, exactly like show
yourself, like be yourself.
Like, don't, you know, samething, like don't show their
ways of like exactly born thisway, be yourself, be comfortable
(33:34):
with who you are, allempowering, right?
For Lauren and I, we had we wehad problems with that when we
were kids, so it's blown on thatheartstring a little bit.
But there's that one bit likealmost towards the song where
it's like the big operatic oryeah, like the the uh the
operatic type of orchestra partto it comes in, and she's seeing
(33:54):
the memory and she's seeing likeher mother singing, and she
starts crying when she says, Iam right, and then the big boom,
and her mother is singing, andshe's starting to cry, and so on
and so forth.
Lauren and I we're not we don'tknow that each other is like
losing their shit at this timebecause we're just we're just
about I I think I left out theimportant part.
(34:18):
Um, we we were living with herparents at the time back in
Connecticut.
Our room was the finishedbasement.
So it's like, so we're downthere, it's just before dinner
time, so it's like four o'clock,five o'clock, and uh lights are
off.
So we're just there and thismovie's playing, and then as
soon as literally like right asthe song ends, her mom yells
(34:38):
down, all right, dinner, allright, dinner, and we just pause
it, we look at each other, andwe're both fucking messies.
We're both and we're like,that's a good time, that's a
good place to stop.
We're both we're both like oureyes are completely glassed
over.
We are fighting, dude.
(34:59):
We are fighting the good fightto not just so we both go
upstairs.
So we both go upstairs, our momtakes one look at us and goes,
what the fuck is going on?
And we just start laughing aswe're like bawling our eyes out,
right?
Yeah, man, once again, music,shit's powerful, man.
Yeah, shit's powerful.
SPEAKER_00 (35:20):
And with that, the fire is dying and the spirits
are retreating.
But before we vanish into thefog, like all good goals in the
night, we ask you, dearlisteners, to follow us wherever
you listen to podcasts onwhatever haunted corners of the
internet you scroll through at 3a.m., like, comment, subscribe,
(35:43):
leave us a review, or you canleave us an offering.
We prefer five stars or freshblood, it's your choice.
Uh, and if you feel somethingbrushed past you after this
episode ends, it's probably justus whispering thanks for
listening.
Until next time, stay strange,stay spooky, and don't forget to
(36:07):
check under your bed.
You're gonna say bye.
Say bye, Kyle.
SPEAKER_01 (36:13):
Trick or treat, smell my feet.
Give me something good to eat.
If you don't, I don't care.
I will pull down your underwear.
SPEAKER_00 (36:23):
No comment.
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