March 10, 2025 • 34 mins
What happens when lifeguard training, soccer refereeing, and healthcare education collide? Dr. Jared Kutzin, current President of the Society for Simulation in Healthcare (SSH), reveals how his unconventional journey through hands-on learning environments shaped his understanding of simulation long before he knew the field existed.
Dr. Kutzin's story illuminates the power of experiential learning, from his high school days practicing CPR on mannequins to training in burn buildings during fire academy. His realization that these "drills" and "practical exams" were actually sophisticated simulations came during graduate school, where connecting with pioneers at the Center for Medical Simulation in Cambridge opened his eyes to the science behind effective simulation-based education.
As SSH President, Dr. Kutzin shares his vision for advancing simulation globally through initiatives like the Commission for International Simulation Accreditation (CISA) – allowing regional simulation societies to culturally adapt accreditation standards while maintaining quality. He offers nuanced perspectives on emerging technologies, suggesting virtual reality works best for novice learners while augmented reality presents advantages for skills requiring tactile feedback.
Looking toward 2025, SSH is investing in infrastructure improvements including a new website and learning management system, while simultaneously reaching out to underserved communities. The unprecedented decision to hold a board meeting alongside the SimOps conference demonstrates the organization's commitment to the simulation operations community.
Dr. Kutzin's parting advice emphasizes the power of collaboration – not just between simulation organizations, but locally with computer programmers, game developers, and others who can help advance simulation technology. His journey reminds us that the most effective learning often happens through doing, a principle that continues to drive healthcare simulation's evolution worldwide.
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Deb Tauber (01:34):
Welcome to another episode of the Sim Cafe, and
today we have Dr Jared Kutzinand Jerrod Jeffries.
So we've got the Jared squared.
Welcome, and Jared Ku, thankyou so much for being a guest.
We're so grateful.
Jared Kutzin (01:50):
Thanks for having me.
I'm looking forward to it.
Deb Tauber (01:52):
You've been on the show before, so why don't you
share your journey again forJared and for any listeners who
maybe hadn't heard that episode?
Jared Kutzin (02:01):
Yeah, so journey into simulation is kind of an
interesting and roundabout way.
I started my career well, notrealizing that it was simulation
that we were doing so growingup.
I'm from New Jersey, originally, currently living in New York,
and I was a soccer playergrowing up, goalkeeper, referee,
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and one day a kid got hit inthe face with a ball and I had
no idea what to do.
Blood was everywhere.
And I went and spoke to my highschool science teacher who ran
the EMS club and he's like I waslike I want to take a CPR class
, I just want the basics.
And he's like sure, come onThursday next week.
So we did that.
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And he's like you on Thursdaynext week.
So we did that.
And he's like you should comeback on friday.
And I'm like for what?
He's like professional levelcpr.
And I looked at him like he wascrazy because I was like listen
, I am not a professional.
You want me to like rememberall these numbers five to one
and ten to two and and all thesenumbers for pediatrics and
adults and this and that, andone person and two person.
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And he's like and we're goingto teach you how to use this
machine.
It could kill you if you do itwrong, but it'll save their life
if you do it right.
And I'm like you're not makingthis any more appealing to me,
and so he convinced me to comeback for professional last year
CPR and lo and behold, I wentaway to work at a summer camp
that summer as a soccer coachand they needed some more people
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to become lifeguards and I hadalways been on the swim team.
I had a pool in my backyard as akid and I was like I already
did the hard part of CPR, I cando this.
And so I learned to be alifeguard and it was great.
And I went home from summercamp and I started having
conversations with my scienceteacher again and I was like
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what's next after lifeguarding?
He's like well, emt, obviously.
So I went to the local EMSAcademy where I went to the EMT
program and throughout that youwere doing CPR mannequins, you
were splinting classmates, youwere doing all sorts of hands-on
practical skills.
In fact, not only were youlearning to do those skills, but
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you were assessed.
There was a test and there wasa checklist and there was all of
these things that you had to doto pass.
And I passed, became an EMT,went away to college, the only
way to keep being an EMT was gothrough the fire academy and
join the fire department.
So I did that and lo and behold, like how do you know to stay
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low in a fire?
Well, they lit a fire in a bigpit in a building and they were
talking to you and after acouple of minutes you were
starting to smell the smoke andthey told you to get down onto a
knee and it got a lot coolerand there was no smoke.
And a few minutes later theytold you to sit down because the
smoke had come down to yourlevel.
And you remembered after thatto always get low and stay low
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in a fire, right.
And so we didn't call any ofthat stuff simulations.
They were burn buildings, theywere practical exam, they were
right skilled labs, whatever itwas.
But this is how I alwayslearned, right Like.
I was never a great book student.
I was always that person whowas doing practicing, tinkering,
right Like doing stuff.
And so when I went away tocollege, I had a professor of
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mine who looked at me and saidyou should go to nursing school.
So I did.
And then I moved to Bostonbecause my real interest was in
like the global public, healthytype things, not the individual
patients, I'm sorry, but likebigger picture.
And so I went to the School ofPublic Health at Boston
University and I had a professorwho told us how the way you
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talk changes the way you work.
And I sat in this class.
I was the only clinician andthere was about 20 other
students and they're all likegoing to be hospital
administrators one day and Ithought I was going to run a
hospital and they're all likegoing to be hospital
administrators one day.
And I thought I was going to runa hospital and we spent 15
weeks learning about like causalloop diagrams and reinforcing
loops and crucial conversationsand all of this like stuff.
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And I went up to my professor Iwas like listen, I don't get
exactly what you mean.
You want me to go back to anoffice that I don't have to
think about what was said duringa meeting, to fix things for
next time.
I work in an emergencydepartment.
It's get me this, get me that,I need this, I need that.
Shout like, how does this applyto me?
And my professor said well,write a letter to these four
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people Dr Cooper, gordon, raymerand Simon.
They sometimes let gradstudents see what we do up in
Cambridge.
So I wrote this letter and, loand behold, I was able to go up
to the Center for MedicalSimulation in Cambridge with my
professor, jenny Rudolph, andthat was my foray into medical
healthcare simulation.
Because they dropped us into asimulation, took us out,
debriefed us, talked about whatwe said during those critical
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events, changed the way we work,gave us chances to do it again
and I was like there's like afield for this, there's like
science behind this, there'sthere's methods that we should
know about.
And so my first job out of gradschool was at Brigham and
Women's Hospital in quality andpatient safety, and I was on the
code committee and I sat nextto a physician and we got along
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great.
And he said you know somethingabout simulation.
I said I know a little bit.
Like you know, I went to an EMTclass, I went up to the Center
for Medical Simulation.
He says well, see what I dodown in my sim center.
And that was Chuck Posner atthe Stratus Center for Medical
Simulation and like so, likethere's six key people my high
school science teacher, myprofessor in college, Jenny
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Rudolph, chuck Posner.
I moved back to New York, Haru Akuda and I got in touch and we
ran the SIM program at Jacobitogether and my foray into SSH
was through Suzie Kardong-Edgren.
So I came to an SSH and IMSHconference and it was really
early on.
I think it was our firstresearch summit and Susie said
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to the group of people gatheredfor the nursing STIG meeting I
think it was at the time, didanybody know anything about
human factors engineering?
And I had been working inpatient safety and healthcare
quality and I had done afellowship through the NPSF and
I was like I raised my hand, Iwas like I've heard of it.
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She goes, great, you're now onthis writing group, go join this
team.
And I was like, uh, okay, atotal fish out of water.
And that was, I think, the yearPeter Dykeman was was leading
the research symposium and I gotput onto this writing team and
we got a paper published in thejournal and I was like this is
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cool, right, because I was inthis environment where you had
brilliant people who were allsuper approachable, who were all
figuring this thing outtogether and charting the course
, and it was a young society andit was a small meeting and in
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my career up until that point Ihad never been given a name to
any of this stuff and now wehave standards and
certifications and careerpathways and all of this stuff.
But my foray into simulation waslike as a high school student
learning to teach lifeguardingand making kids jump into a pool
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and when I pat my head youpretend to drown and see if the
kid sitting up in the lifeguardchair can identify who's
drowning and go in and save them.
Or practicing cutting peopleout of cars.
Or putting duct tape over yourface mask and Scott pack so that
you're simulating that you werecrawling through an obstacle
course in a in a building withcollapsed structures and having
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to find a victim and drag themout.
Those were just drills andpractice but like those were all
simulations and that's that'smy foray and entry into
simulation and into the societyfor simulation and healthcare.
Jerrod Jeffries (09:54):
That's wonderful and it makes me think
of one of the quotes of younever really underestimate the
power of passion.
And it's just a group of likeminded individuals that are so
passionate about simulation andall the different walks, shapes
and forms that you're just like.
Jared Kutzin (10:07):
Okay, let's push into this administration and
mentorship and like to round outthe story a little bit.
So I was a soccer referee formany years.
I'm still a certified referee,and to move up in the soccer
referee world you had to beassessed.
So we had referee assessors andin the last couple of years
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they've softened the language.
We now have referee mentors andreferee coaches, and the job of
the referee mentor is to teachnew referees, but also to attend
their games, potentiallyvideotape them and debrief them
after their game, after thematch that they officiated, and
potentially review the videotapewith them and guide them
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through a guided reflection oftheir calls and their
positioning and everything else.
And so that's actuallysomething I'm doing on the side.
I am a referee mentor for theUnited States Soccer Federation
and the linkage between what Ido full-time in healthcare
simulation and soccer refereeingactually has come full circle,
which I think is really amazing,because we're starting to see
these concepts permeatethroughout all the things that
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we do.
And so the hardest part I thinkwe were talking right before
you started recording about andso the hardest part I think we
were talking right before youstarted recording about children
I have two I know.
Deb, you have grandkids, andJerrod, you have two.
The hardest part is to rememberto use these tactics with your
children.
When they start misbehaving,inquire and ask them why are you
doing that, not just try tocorrect their behavior?
Still working on that one, tobe honest, Aren't we all yes
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aren't we all?
Deb Tauber (11:41):
And how interesting that Susie G Vallon told you
from early on.
Jared Kutzin (11:46):
Yeah, oh my god.
Now I get to teach with Susiefrom time to time, and what a
joy that is.
But that's what's reallyspecial about the society and
especially coming to IMSH thepeople that wrote some of the
early work, the seminal works,the pioneers, if you will.
I know we use that term in alittle bit different fashion at
the meeting.
There's a lot of theseoriginators and they're still
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around.
You can still go have a cup ofcoffee with them.
You could still pick theirbrains.
And where else does that get tohappen?
The inventor of thedefibrillator is no longer with
us.
Jerrod Jeffries (12:20):
What scares me there, though, is once these
people retire, which they are,or in a few years, whatever is,
how do we continue to hold on tothat content, knowledge?
We want to make sure thatpasses down from generation to
generation to of the pioneers.
Jared Kutzin (12:34):
Of course, of course.
Yeah, it's extremely valuable.
It was so great to see like somany of the past presidents come
back to IMSH this past year andthey're still doing great work.
Some of them have taken a halfa step outside of simulation but
like simulation is still intheir DNA, still like a big part
of who they are.
Jerrod Jeffries (12:58):
To that it's like it is funny because you
know people are out ofsimulation but they still have
such this passion, or like theywant to continue to see the
industry grow, develop, matureand they still give their time
and their effort, energy, etc.
So 100% agree, yeah and actuallyone one question that though
Jared is, when I remember, atthe president's ball, every
president past was saying whatthey want to be, what they've
been remembered for, and onequestion to you, maybe, is what
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you know, you taking on thereins here, dr Eisenberg what
would you be wanting to beremembered for, say, in five
years from now?
Jared Kutzin (13:26):
Not screwing it up .
Jerrod Jeffries (13:29):
That's fair.
Jared Kutzin (13:32):
We've been around for 20 plus years.
At this point, right Like youdon't want to be that person.
In all seriousness, I thinkit's a couple of big things,
right.
So one is looking at how we cancontinue to collaborate with
both simulation andnon-simulation organizations to
drive the importance ofsimulation forward.
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So that means reaching out,finding partners across the
world who are starting to usesimulation, who are establishing
the use of simulation, andfiguring out what we can do
together to come together tocontinue to foster simulation
use and the advancement of it.
And then it's looking internallyto the United States a little
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bit and saying, if I go back tomy roots, ems, we still need to
get them as a community engagedwith SSH more.
And there's a lot of thosepockets and there's rural
communities who aren't usingsimulation and there's the
dental industry that uses a lotof simulation but aren't
necessarily engaged with SSH asmuch as they could or should be.
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So there's pockets ofsimulation within the US for us
to continue to grow in advance.
And then there's our partnersacross the globe and I think
what I hope, looking back in anumber of years from now, is
that we've set the foundationand the bedrock for a multitude
of programs to continue on andflourish because we've
established those collaborationsand connections.
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Ssh as an organization, I hopewhat I set out to do is ensure
that we have the rightstructures and the processes to
lead us to the outcomes that wehope and desire for, which is to
maintain our status as theworld's largest, most diverse
interprofessional,multi-professional simulation
society, and we know that weneed to be able to not only
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attract but maintain our membersand provide services to them.
So in that frame, we aregetting a new website, a new
learning management system, anew association management
system.
So in five years from now, whenyou look at the webpage, I hope
we haven't changed vendors andI hope that during my term as
president that we've been ableto establish the new website
that has provided our memberswith such great benefit that,
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you know, our membershipcontinues to grow, engagement
with the society grows and thevalue they receive from the
society continues to grow aswell.
Jerrod Jeffries (15:49):
Yeah.
I think, that's a good legacyto leave behind if there's more
of a digitization.
As you mentioned, it's 20 plusyears and to realize that we're
living more and more in thedigital world as that of the
physical, I think, is a good oneto be pushing into.
Deb Tauber (16:05):
So thanks, yeah, I like the global reach that
you're hoping to attract and Ithink that that's you know.
You're in a good spot to dothat this year with the new work
with C-SPAC Yep.
What role do you see SSHplaying in shaping the future of
healthcare globally?
Jared Kutzin (16:24):
Yeah, I mean I think we just alluded to that,
but I think we have a lot ofopportunity to continue to
advance the work that has beenestablished with the Global
Consensus Statement, and so wehave some exciting projects that
we're working on related tothat Our advocacy group, again
reaching out domestically butalso internationally, and then
the opportunities to engage withour partners around the world
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to advance accreditation andcertification in their local
country and their localorganizations through those
collaborative partnerships thatallow for them to take a little
bit of ownership of theaccreditation process.
Deb Tauber (17:00):
Yeah, that's exciting work, Very exciting
work.
Now I'm going to push laneshere just a minute and ask you
about telehealth and virtualreality.
Telehealth and virtual realityare becoming more integrated
into medical training.
How do you think thesetechnologies will influence
healthcare and simulation?
Jared Kutzin (17:20):
So those are two different technologies, right?
So telehealth is really thisidea of virtual care.
Whether you're on Zoom or someother platform, I see telehealth
right.
There's a whole art and scienceto having care remotely and so
doing trainings for people doingtelehealth, figuring out so
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many of the unique aspects ofthat process is really, really
important.
I was just doing a training theother day where they were like
we have a mandated reportertraining for child abuse that I
had to complete and the nuancesof conducting a pediatric
wellness visit via telehealthand how do you identify abusive,
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potential abusive environmentsor relationships is very
different when you can't see thebruises or see the interactions
of people or who's standingright off screen, and so I think
doing simulations for some ofthose nuanced environments and
nuanced conditions is really,really important.
So I think we can see a lot oftraining being developed for the
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telehealth environment.
How do you put your white coaton, how do you angle your camera
, how do you do all those sortsof things?
Now, vr, and you specificallyasked about VR, but I'm going to
enlarge that to XR, extendedreality, mr, mixed reality, ar,
augmented reality.
I see and this is just my ownpersonal view on this right now,
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after doing some researchstudies on this, I think VR is
really really valuable, but Ithink it's valuable for the
novice.
I think it's valuable for theindividual who's learning parts
and pieces of things.
There are components of VR thatI think are good for the more
experienced provider, especiallyif you're talking about stress,
inoculation and things alongthose lines.
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I also think you're talkingabout the quality of the VR.
So VR and the traditionalthings that we are seeing in the
healthcare space, it'stask-based training, right.
It's learning the parts of theintubation equipment, it's
learning the process of this,but you'd lose the tactile feel.
Right.
You can't learn to start an IVin VR.
You can learn the parts andpieces, you can learn the steps,
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but you don't actually get thefeeling of it when you do it.
There is VR and I've beeninvolved with some of this like
the police department in NewYork uses where you use VR
holding an airsoft weapon, fullyimmersed in this artificial
environment, but you actuallycan point and shoot and step on
things and explosions happen andthat's like amazingly realistic
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and with the snap of a finger,you can be in a completely
different environment and youcan change the way that the
scenario unfolds for theindividuals who are
participating in it.
So I think there is VR forexperienced providers, but I
think in the healthcare field,we're still waiting to see that
come about.
In many ways, shapes and forms,partly because the one I was
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just talking about with thepolice department it's like a
backpack-worn computer-poweredVR device.
We're still talking about usingMediQuest headsets, which are
wireless, which are much moreconvenient, a lot less expensive
, but also a lot less powerful.
The challenge, though, is thatwhen you use a lower-end device,
the ability to producehigh-quality images that allow
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you to be immersed in theenvironment for an extended
period of time is extremelyreduced.
That's where I think AR has asignificant benefit to the VR
world.
I could live in a VR world andI start getting a little motion
sickness.
I have to learn to play thegame a little bit because of
some of the limitations of thehardware.
Ar, though, I mean.
I could spend hours in ARbecause I see the real world
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through VR, the device, and thenI have the augmented pieces on
top of it, so I think there's alot of value in ar um, but again
, you can.
You can start having moretactile components with it.
You can overlay images.
So when you're learning tostart the id, you're holding a
real iv cannula.
You're holding, uh, maybe apart test trainer iv arm, but
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you're embedding content on topof it, um, that you have to then
adjust to.
So I think AR has tons ofpotential.
I think VR has a lot ofpotential as well.
I think hardware has to catchup to where software is at the
moment, but I think all of thesethings are ripe for innovation
within our field.
Jerrod Jeffries (21:31):
Certainly Hearing that it's just there's
different use cases for eachtechnology and seeing what
sticks or creates the impact,and then you'll be able to use
that among other customersegments or different areas,
industries, et cetera.
But certainly an exciting timefor all of us of what we're
seeing with the realities thatwe're experiencing.
Deb Tauber (21:53):
Thank you for that insightful response.
I appreciate that and theclarity that it provided.
Now we're going to switch backjust a little bit.
As the president right now, Canyou just share the initiatives
of CISA and SP initiatives withour listeners so that they can
hear from your perspective whatthose initiatives are?
Jared Kutzin (22:13):
Sure.
So you mentioned CISA, which isour Commission for
Accreditation, which allows forthe local society that I think I
mentioned this a little bitearlier so it allows for other
large simulation societies totake a little bit more ownership
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of the accreditation process intheir local countries, bit more
ownership of the accreditationprocess in their local countries
.
And so we have a relationshipcurrently that allows a
simulation society to go out andaccredit institutions on behalf
of themselves and SSH, whichallows for that local native
country to modify some of thecriteria slightly within
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guidelines so that it's moreculturally relevant to the
accrediting agencies as well asallows for reduced costs to
those organizations seekingaccreditation, because we're not
flying three members of theaccreditation team to different
countries for extended stays andeverything else.
So the example would be likeMexico, which is now going to do
some accreditations in thatlocal area and they're going to
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build up their cadre ofreviewers and provide the
opportunities for organizationsand facilities in the local
region to become accredited.
What was the second one that youtalked about?
I haven't heard of that.
Jerrod Jeffries (23:33):
Jared, that's really wonderful.
I think it's a really smartidea and a way to help grow
better practices globally, basedoff the appropriate standards.
Deb Tauber (23:43):
And I think the cultural portion is just so key
because people in differentareas do things so differently
and how can we include them andbring them along and help move
this forward?
Jared Kutzin (24:00):
move this forward.
Yeah, so, like I said, thefirst one was with Somessex and
we're calling them theinternational affiliate
organizations which is going toallow organizations like
Somessex to provide dualaccreditation.
And so this is our commissionfor international simulation
accreditation, which is againallowing, like you said, the
proliferation of accreditationbut also the refinement of
accreditation standards for thelocal area.
What was the second one thatyou wanted to talk about?
Deb Tauber (24:23):
Standardized patient initiatives.
Jared Kutzin (24:25):
Sure, I mean, we've always engaged and had
strong working relationship withour standardized patient
community.
Just this past year, we honoredone of the pioneers.
Our pioneer in simulation wasone of the founders of the
standardized patient program.
So I think that the opportunityfor us to continue engaging with
the standardized patientcommunity is extremely,
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extremely important andextremely valuable, because we
need to recognize and continueto recognize that the medical
students and nurses andrespiratory therapists and all
these people at at the end ofthe day, have to communicate and
interact.
So you know, Howard Barrows, thepioneer from this past year,
had developed a number ofdifferent teaching methodologies
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, including the use ofstandardized participants and
standardized patients, and,working with the ASPE community,
we've always had a strongstandardized patient section or
special interest group, and Ithink we can continue to engage
and utilize the technique ofinteracting with standardized
patients, even in hybridscenarios where we're combining
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a standardized patient or astandardized participant with a
part-task trainer or astandardized participant with a
part-task trainer.
You know there's so manyopportunities there for us to
continue to engage with that.
And then you know you'retalking also probably about our
new accreditation standards thatare related to the standardized
patients, and you know that'san important, again for all the
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reasons I just mentionedno-transcript patients and
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standardized patient methodology.
Deb Tauber (26:28):
I agree.
I think that it's a fantasticinitiative and it's going to
really put a lot of focus on thevalue that the standardized
patient can add to simulationand demonstrate that everything
that should be measured whenusing standardized patients.
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Now, as we get ready to kind ofwrap up, what should our
listeners be looking forward tofor 2025?
And how can we support you?
Jared Kutzin (26:57):
So 2025, I think, is going to be an exciting year.
We've got lots of newinitiatives that we're rolling
out.
You know again the new website,which is in the first quarter
of this year, I think learningmanagement systems and content
is going to be added in.
You know, the not too distantfuture SimOps is coming up this
summertime.
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In the not-too-distant future,simops is coming up this
summertime and I thinkrecognizing the value and
importance of the simulationoperations community is second
to none.
For the first time, we arepartnering one of our board
meetings in-person boardmeetings with the SimOps
conference.
So just about every member ofthe board will be in attendance
at SimOps this year, which Ithink is really, really exciting
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.
It demonstrates our commitmentto the conference, demonstrates
our commitment to thatspecialized area of the
simulation community and I thinkit exposes not only our SimOps
members to the board members butalso the board to all the great
and unique things that happenat that conference.
It's such a fun conference togo to.
So I think that's a reallyexciting thing.
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So it's in Peoria, Illinois, atthe Jump Simulation Center.
I encourage everybody if youhave any time available, take a
trip, come on over.
It'll be a fun time and thenover the next number of months,
you'll hear about a bunch ofother initiatives.
We've got some really excitingthings happening globally.
We have some things happeninglocally.
Our ethics committee is hard atwork, of course, always the SSH
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fund and revamping andrelaunching so there's really
tons of things going on withinthe simulation society and so
many opportunities for ourmembers to get involved and get
engaged.
We've grown in the last 20years.
When I came and got involvedwith SSH, it was easy.
You raised your hand at a smallmeeting of 35 or 40 people and
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somebody said you're now goingover here and you're doing this.
But we've grown and we know thatthere's challenges with growth
and so the Ascend program thatwe've launched this past year,
which is identifying the nextgeneration of simulation leaders
we're doing monthly meetingswith that select group of
individuals and so the call forthe next group of Ascend
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participants will be coming outin the fall.
So you know, every quarterthere's stuff happening, every
month there's stuff happening.
You'll find SSH at meetingsacross the globe.
You know Naxal and Aspie andother meetings that are coming
up.
So our presence is there.
We're looking forward tocontinuing to engage and I think
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that you'll hear more about allof the things that are
happening within SSH.
That leads us to meeting themarkers we have set through our
strategic plan, each quarter ofthe year, as they come up and as
we're ready to roll out all ofthese initiatives.
Deb Tauber (29:43):
Thank you.
Thank you Now, Jerrod Jeffries.
Do you have any questions forJared?
Jerrod Jeffries (29:48):
No, I love that .
I mean certainly as busy asever for SSH and I love you
guys' commitment to the sim opscommunity and in the, the
foundations of all thosetechnicians and all the work
that they do.
But across the board of whatall you're doing, and
recognizing the growth and thescalability and and the
assistance that the industryneeds and, of course, ssh is a
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is a beacon of that of whatthey've grown and matured into
so wonderful yeah yeah, we'reexcited this is it's it's a
two-headed sort of process thatwe're undertaking, right.
Jared Kutzin (30:20):
So we have the external things that you're all
going to see and our members aregoing to see and be engaged
with, but there's so much goingon behind the scenes as well.
We are implementing newprocesses, reconfiguring
processes to make them moreefficient, so that our staff,
who is the lifeblood andbackbone of the society, can
operate to their highest level,just like we talk about our
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clinicians operating to thehighest level and to the full
scope of their practice.
We need to make sure that wehave the right processes on the
back end so that SSH staff canoperate to the highest level and
to the fullest as well.
And so we're really excited.
We've already started toimplement some of those systems
project management software,communication software and
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things along those lines.
So those aren't the fun andexciting things that our members
get to see and hear about, butthose are the lifeblood and
backbone, and if you don't havethose in place, then there's
just too much inefficiency andwe're not getting the actual
work done that we want to getdone.
Know, as much as I love talkingabout going to SimOps and
engaging with them and and CISAand and the standardized patient
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programs like there's so muchwork that that that's going on
behind the scenes I just feellike we have to mention, like
you know, the importance of thatas well, because it's not the
fun, sexy, exciting stuff, butit's.
It's the important stuff andit's the stuff that we have to
get right.
Jerrod Jeffries (31:37):
But it's investing in infrastructure and
that's what's needed for thenext leg up back to the next
five years.
Right, it needs to startsomewhere and got to rip off the
Band-Aid and invest in that.
Jared Kutzin (31:49):
That's it.
Deb Tauber (31:49):
That's what we're doing, all right?
Well, we are so grateful tohave had you.
Jared Kutzin (32:05):
Are there any final closing thoughts that
you'd like to leave ourlisteners with?
I would say engage with thecommunity of practice.
And so, whether or not you'reattending one of SSH's
conference or an affiliateconference, or if you haven't
had the opportunity yet, thereare so many great opportunities
for you to engage in throughpodcasts like this, through our
vendor partners.
There's so many greatopportunities for you to engage
in through podcasts like thisthrough our vendor partners.
There's so many greatopportunities for you to engage,
for your leadership to engageand for you to engage with the
up-and-coming generations andpeople who are next in line, who
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are going to continue to movethis forward.
So, as much as SSH is lookingto collaborate and reach out and
branch out, I encourageeverybody in their home
organizations to reach out andbranch out and collaborate.
Find that computer programmer,find that game developer, work
with them on developing contentfor VR or AR or online content.
Take what we're doing globallyand do it locally, and if
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everyone does that, we're goingto see massive seismic movements
in the way that simulation isutilized and perceived and
funded going forward.
So it takes everybody, and I'mexcited about what the society
can do, but I'm also excitedabout what all of our members
can do locally.
Deb Tauber (33:07):
Thank you.
Those are excellent, excellentwords to leave our community
with and we appreciate you verymuch.
Jared Kutzin (33:15):
Thank you, thanks for having me today.
Deb Tauber (33:17):
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Deb Tauber (01:34):
Welcome to another episode of the Sim Cafe, and
today we have Dr Jared Kutzinand Jerrod Jeffries.
So we've got the Jared squared.
Welcome, and Jared Ku, thankyou so much for being a guest.
We're so grateful.
Jared Kutzin (01:50):
Thanks for having me.
I'm looking forward to it.
Deb Tauber (01:52):
You've been on the show before, so why don't you
share your journey again forJared and for any listeners who
maybe hadn't heard that episode?
Jared Kutzin (02:01):
Yeah, so journey into simulation is kind of an
interesting and roundabout way.
I started my career well, notrealizing that it was simulation
that we were doing so growingup.
I'm from New Jersey, originally, currently living in New York,
and I was a soccer playergrowing up, goalkeeper, referee,
(02:23):
and one day a kid got hit inthe face with a ball and I had
no idea what to do.
Blood was everywhere.
And I went and spoke to my highschool science teacher who ran
the EMS club and he's like I waslike I want to take a CPR class
, I just want the basics.
And he's like sure, come onThursday next week.
So we did that.
(02:44):
And he's like you on Thursdaynext week.
So we did that.
And he's like you should comeback on friday.
And I'm like for what?
He's like professional levelcpr.
And I looked at him like he wascrazy because I was like listen
, I am not a professional.
You want me to like rememberall these numbers five to one
and ten to two and and all thesenumbers for pediatrics and
adults and this and that, andone person and two person.
(03:04):
And he's like and we're goingto teach you how to use this
machine.
It could kill you if you do itwrong, but it'll save their life
if you do it right.
And I'm like you're not makingthis any more appealing to me,
and so he convinced me to comeback for professional last year
CPR and lo and behold, I wentaway to work at a summer camp
that summer as a soccer coachand they needed some more people
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to become lifeguards and I hadalways been on the swim team.
I had a pool in my backyard as akid and I was like I already
did the hard part of CPR, I cando this.
And so I learned to be alifeguard and it was great.
And I went home from summercamp and I started having
conversations with my scienceteacher again and I was like
(03:47):
what's next after lifeguarding?
He's like well, emt, obviously.
So I went to the local EMSAcademy where I went to the EMT
program and throughout that youwere doing CPR mannequins, you
were splinting classmates, youwere doing all sorts of hands-on
practical skills.
In fact, not only were youlearning to do those skills, but
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you were assessed.
There was a test and there wasa checklist and there was all of
these things that you had to doto pass.
And I passed, became an EMT,went away to college, the only
way to keep being an EMT was gothrough the fire academy and
join the fire department.
So I did that and lo and behold, like how do you know to stay
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low in a fire?
Well, they lit a fire in a bigpit in a building and they were
talking to you and after acouple of minutes you were
starting to smell the smoke andthey told you to get down onto a
knee and it got a lot coolerand there was no smoke.
And a few minutes later theytold you to sit down because the
smoke had come down to yourlevel.
And you remembered after thatto always get low and stay low
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in a fire, right.
And so we didn't call any ofthat stuff simulations.
They were burn buildings, theywere practical exam, they were
right skilled labs, whatever itwas.
But this is how I alwayslearned, right Like.
I was never a great book student.
I was always that person whowas doing practicing, tinkering,
right Like doing stuff.
And so when I went away tocollege, I had a professor of
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mine who looked at me and saidyou should go to nursing school.
So I did.
And then I moved to Bostonbecause my real interest was in
like the global public, healthytype things, not the individual
patients, I'm sorry, but likebigger picture.
And so I went to the School ofPublic Health at Boston
University and I had a professorwho told us how the way you
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talk changes the way you work.
And I sat in this class.
I was the only clinician andthere was about 20 other
students and they're all likegoing to be hospital
administrators one day and Ithought I was going to run a
hospital and they're all likegoing to be hospital
administrators one day.
And I thought I was going to runa hospital and we spent 15
weeks learning about like causalloop diagrams and reinforcing
loops and crucial conversationsand all of this like stuff.
(05:54):
And I went up to my professor Iwas like listen, I don't get
exactly what you mean.
You want me to go back to anoffice that I don't have to
think about what was said duringa meeting, to fix things for
next time.
I work in an emergencydepartment.
It's get me this, get me that,I need this, I need that.
Shout like, how does this applyto me?
And my professor said well,write a letter to these four
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people Dr Cooper, gordon, raymerand Simon.
They sometimes let gradstudents see what we do up in
Cambridge.
So I wrote this letter and, loand behold, I was able to go up
to the Center for MedicalSimulation in Cambridge with my
professor, jenny Rudolph, andthat was my foray into medical
healthcare simulation.
Because they dropped us into asimulation, took us out,
debriefed us, talked about whatwe said during those critical
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events, changed the way we work,gave us chances to do it again
and I was like there's like afield for this, there's like
science behind this, there'sthere's methods that we should
know about.
And so my first job out of gradschool was at Brigham and
Women's Hospital in quality andpatient safety, and I was on the
code committee and I sat nextto a physician and we got along
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great.
And he said you know somethingabout simulation.
I said I know a little bit.
Like you know, I went to an EMTclass, I went up to the Center
for Medical Simulation.
He says well, see what I dodown in my sim center.
And that was Chuck Posner atthe Stratus Center for Medical
Simulation and like so, likethere's six key people my high
school science teacher, myprofessor in college, Jenny
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Rudolph, chuck Posner.
I moved back to New York, Haru Akuda and I got in touch and we
ran the SIM program at Jacobitogether and my foray into SSH
was through Suzie Kardong-Edgren.
So I came to an SSH and IMSHconference and it was really
early on.
I think it was our firstresearch summit and Susie said
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to the group of people gatheredfor the nursing STIG meeting I
think it was at the time, didanybody know anything about
human factors engineering?
And I had been working inpatient safety and healthcare
quality and I had done afellowship through the NPSF and
I was like I raised my hand, Iwas like I've heard of it.
(08:07):
She goes, great, you're now onthis writing group, go join this
team.
And I was like, uh, okay, atotal fish out of water.
And that was, I think, the yearPeter Dykeman was was leading
the research symposium and I gotput onto this writing team and
we got a paper published in thejournal and I was like this is
(08:32):
cool, right, because I was inthis environment where you had
brilliant people who were allsuper approachable, who were all
figuring this thing outtogether and charting the course
, and it was a young society andit was a small meeting and in
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my career up until that point Ihad never been given a name to
any of this stuff and now wehave standards and
certifications and careerpathways and all of this stuff.
But my foray into simulation waslike as a high school student
learning to teach lifeguardingand making kids jump into a pool
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and when I pat my head youpretend to drown and see if the
kid sitting up in the lifeguardchair can identify who's
drowning and go in and save them.
Or practicing cutting peopleout of cars.
Or putting duct tape over yourface mask and Scott pack so that
you're simulating that you werecrawling through an obstacle
course in a in a building withcollapsed structures and having
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to find a victim and drag themout.
Those were just drills andpractice but like those were all
simulations and that's that'smy foray and entry into
simulation and into the societyfor simulation and healthcare.
Jerrod Jeffries (09:54):
That's wonderful and it makes me think
of one of the quotes of younever really underestimate the
power of passion.
And it's just a group of likeminded individuals that are so
passionate about simulation andall the different walks, shapes
and forms that you're just like.
Jared Kutzin (10:07):
Okay, let's push into this administration and
mentorship and like to round outthe story a little bit.
So I was a soccer referee formany years.
I'm still a certified referee,and to move up in the soccer
referee world you had to beassessed.
So we had referee assessors andin the last couple of years
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they've softened the language.
We now have referee mentors andreferee coaches, and the job of
the referee mentor is to teachnew referees, but also to attend
their games, potentiallyvideotape them and debrief them
after their game, after thematch that they officiated, and
potentially review the videotapewith them and guide them
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through a guided reflection oftheir calls and their
positioning and everything else.
And so that's actuallysomething I'm doing on the side.
I am a referee mentor for theUnited States Soccer Federation
and the linkage between what Ido full-time in healthcare
simulation and soccer refereeingactually has come full circle,
which I think is really amazing,because we're starting to see
these concepts permeatethroughout all the things that
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we do.
And so the hardest part I thinkwe were talking right before
you started recording about andso the hardest part I think we
were talking right before youstarted recording about children
I have two I know.
Deb, you have grandkids, andJerrod, you have two.
The hardest part is to rememberto use these tactics with your
children.
When they start misbehaving,inquire and ask them why are you
doing that, not just try tocorrect their behavior?
Still working on that one, tobe honest, Aren't we all yes
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aren't we all?
Deb Tauber (11:41):
And how interesting that Susie G Vallon told you
from early on.
Jared Kutzin (11:46):
Yeah, oh my god.
Now I get to teach with Susiefrom time to time, and what a
joy that is.
But that's what's reallyspecial about the society and
especially coming to IMSH thepeople that wrote some of the
early work, the seminal works,the pioneers, if you will.
I know we use that term in alittle bit different fashion at
the meeting.
There's a lot of theseoriginators and they're still
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around.
You can still go have a cup ofcoffee with them.
You could still pick theirbrains.
And where else does that get tohappen?
The inventor of thedefibrillator is no longer with
us.
Jerrod Jeffries (12:20):
What scares me there, though, is once these
people retire, which they are,or in a few years, whatever is,
how do we continue to hold on tothat content, knowledge?
We want to make sure thatpasses down from generation to
generation to of the pioneers.
Jared Kutzin (12:34):
Of course, of course.
Yeah, it's extremely valuable.
It was so great to see like somany of the past presidents come
back to IMSH this past year andthey're still doing great work.
Some of them have taken a halfa step outside of simulation but
like simulation is still intheir DNA, still like a big part
of who they are.
Jerrod Jeffries (12:58):
To that it's like it is funny because you
know people are out ofsimulation but they still have
such this passion, or like theywant to continue to see the
industry grow, develop, matureand they still give their time
and their effort, energy, etc.
So 100% agree, yeah and actuallyone one question that though
Jared is, when I remember, atthe president's ball, every
president past was saying whatthey want to be, what they've
been remembered for, and onequestion to you, maybe, is what
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you know, you taking on thereins here, dr Eisenberg what
would you be wanting to beremembered for, say, in five
years from now?
Jared Kutzin (13:26):
Not screwing it up .
Jerrod Jeffries (13:29):
That's fair.
Jared Kutzin (13:32):
We've been around for 20 plus years.
At this point, right Like youdon't want to be that person.
In all seriousness, I thinkit's a couple of big things,
right.
So one is looking at how we cancontinue to collaborate with
both simulation andnon-simulation organizations to
drive the importance ofsimulation forward.
(13:52):
So that means reaching out,finding partners across the
world who are starting to usesimulation, who are establishing
the use of simulation, andfiguring out what we can do
together to come together tocontinue to foster simulation
use and the advancement of it.
And then it's looking internallyto the United States a little
(14:13):
bit and saying, if I go back tomy roots, ems, we still need to
get them as a community engagedwith SSH more.
And there's a lot of thosepockets and there's rural
communities who aren't usingsimulation and there's the
dental industry that uses a lotof simulation but aren't
necessarily engaged with SSH asmuch as they could or should be.
(14:34):
So there's pockets ofsimulation within the US for us
to continue to grow in advance.
And then there's our partnersacross the globe and I think
what I hope, looking back in anumber of years from now, is
that we've set the foundationand the bedrock for a multitude
of programs to continue on andflourish because we've
established those collaborationsand connections.
(14:56):
Ssh as an organization, I hopewhat I set out to do is ensure
that we have the rightstructures and the processes to
lead us to the outcomes that wehope and desire for, which is to
maintain our status as theworld's largest, most diverse
interprofessional,multi-professional simulation
society, and we know that weneed to be able to not only
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attract but maintain our membersand provide services to them.
So in that frame, we aregetting a new website, a new
learning management system, anew association management
system.
So in five years from now, whenyou look at the webpage, I hope
we haven't changed vendors andI hope that during my term as
president that we've been ableto establish the new website
that has provided our memberswith such great benefit that,
(15:40):
you know, our membershipcontinues to grow, engagement
with the society grows and thevalue they receive from the
society continues to grow aswell.
Jerrod Jeffries (15:49):
Yeah.
I think, that's a good legacyto leave behind if there's more
of a digitization.
As you mentioned, it's 20 plusyears and to realize that we're
living more and more in thedigital world as that of the
physical, I think, is a good oneto be pushing into.
Deb Tauber (16:05):
So thanks, yeah, I like the global reach that
you're hoping to attract and Ithink that that's you know.
You're in a good spot to dothat this year with the new work
with C-SPAC Yep.
What role do you see SSHplaying in shaping the future of
healthcare globally?
Jared Kutzin (16:24):
Yeah, I mean I think we just alluded to that,
but I think we have a lot ofopportunity to continue to
advance the work that has beenestablished with the Global
Consensus Statement, and so wehave some exciting projects that
we're working on related tothat Our advocacy group, again
reaching out domestically butalso internationally, and then
the opportunities to engage withour partners around the world
(16:45):
to advance accreditation andcertification in their local
country and their localorganizations through those
collaborative partnerships thatallow for them to take a little
bit of ownership of theaccreditation process.
Deb Tauber (17:00):
Yeah, that's exciting work, Very exciting
work.
Now I'm going to push laneshere just a minute and ask you
about telehealth and virtualreality.
Telehealth and virtual realityare becoming more integrated
into medical training.
How do you think thesetechnologies will influence
healthcare and simulation?
Jared Kutzin (17:20):
So those are two different technologies, right?
So telehealth is really thisidea of virtual care.
Whether you're on Zoom or someother platform, I see telehealth
right.
There's a whole art and scienceto having care remotely and so
doing trainings for people doingtelehealth, figuring out so
(17:42):
many of the unique aspects ofthat process is really, really
important.
I was just doing a training theother day where they were like
we have a mandated reportertraining for child abuse that I
had to complete and the nuancesof conducting a pediatric
wellness visit via telehealthand how do you identify abusive,
(18:02):
potential abusive environmentsor relationships is very
different when you can't see thebruises or see the interactions
of people or who's standingright off screen, and so I think
doing simulations for some ofthose nuanced environments and
nuanced conditions is really,really important.
So I think we can see a lot oftraining being developed for the
(18:23):
telehealth environment.
How do you put your white coaton, how do you angle your camera
, how do you do all those sortsof things?
Now, vr, and you specificallyasked about VR, but I'm going to
enlarge that to XR, extendedreality, mr, mixed reality, ar,
augmented reality.
I see and this is just my ownpersonal view on this right now,
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after doing some researchstudies on this, I think VR is
really really valuable, but Ithink it's valuable for the
novice.
I think it's valuable for theindividual who's learning parts
and pieces of things.
There are components of VR thatI think are good for the more
experienced provider, especiallyif you're talking about stress,
inoculation and things alongthose lines.
(19:04):
I also think you're talkingabout the quality of the VR.
So VR and the traditionalthings that we are seeing in the
healthcare space, it'stask-based training, right.
It's learning the parts of theintubation equipment, it's
learning the process of this,but you'd lose the tactile feel.
Right.
You can't learn to start an IVin VR.
You can learn the parts andpieces, you can learn the steps,
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but you don't actually get thefeeling of it when you do it.
There is VR and I've beeninvolved with some of this like
the police department in NewYork uses where you use VR
holding an airsoft weapon, fullyimmersed in this artificial
environment, but you actuallycan point and shoot and step on
things and explosions happen andthat's like amazingly realistic
(19:46):
and with the snap of a finger,you can be in a completely
different environment and youcan change the way that the
scenario unfolds for theindividuals who are
participating in it.
So I think there is VR forexperienced providers, but I
think in the healthcare field,we're still waiting to see that
come about.
In many ways, shapes and forms,partly because the one I was
(20:08):
just talking about with thepolice department it's like a
backpack-worn computer-poweredVR device.
We're still talking about usingMediQuest headsets, which are
wireless, which are much moreconvenient, a lot less expensive
, but also a lot less powerful.
The challenge, though, is thatwhen you use a lower-end device,
the ability to producehigh-quality images that allow
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you to be immersed in theenvironment for an extended
period of time is extremelyreduced.
That's where I think AR has asignificant benefit to the VR
world.
I could live in a VR world andI start getting a little motion
sickness.
I have to learn to play thegame a little bit because of
some of the limitations of thehardware.
Ar, though, I mean.
I could spend hours in ARbecause I see the real world
(20:51):
through VR, the device, and thenI have the augmented pieces on
top of it, so I think there's alot of value in ar um, but again
, you can.
You can start having moretactile components with it.
You can overlay images.
So when you're learning tostart the id, you're holding a
real iv cannula.
You're holding, uh, maybe apart test trainer iv arm, but
(21:13):
you're embedding content on topof it, um, that you have to then
adjust to.
So I think AR has tons ofpotential.
I think VR has a lot ofpotential as well.
I think hardware has to catchup to where software is at the
moment, but I think all of thesethings are ripe for innovation
within our field.
Jerrod Jeffries (21:31):
Certainly Hearing that it's just there's
different use cases for eachtechnology and seeing what
sticks or creates the impact,and then you'll be able to use
that among other customersegments or different areas,
industries, et cetera.
But certainly an exciting timefor all of us of what we're
seeing with the realities thatwe're experiencing.
Deb Tauber (21:53):
Thank you for that insightful response.
I appreciate that and theclarity that it provided.
Now we're going to switch backjust a little bit.
As the president right now, Canyou just share the initiatives
of CISA and SP initiatives withour listeners so that they can
hear from your perspective whatthose initiatives are?
Jared Kutzin (22:13):
Sure.
So you mentioned CISA, which isour Commission for
Accreditation, which allows forthe local society that I think I
mentioned this a little bitearlier so it allows for other
large simulation societies totake a little bit more ownership
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of the accreditation process intheir local countries, bit more
ownership of the accreditationprocess in their local countries
.
And so we have a relationshipcurrently that allows a
simulation society to go out andaccredit institutions on behalf
of themselves and SSH, whichallows for that local native
country to modify some of thecriteria slightly within
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guidelines so that it's moreculturally relevant to the
accrediting agencies as well asallows for reduced costs to
those organizations seekingaccreditation, because we're not
flying three members of theaccreditation team to different
countries for extended stays andeverything else.
So the example would be likeMexico, which is now going to do
some accreditations in thatlocal area and they're going to
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build up their cadre ofreviewers and provide the
opportunities for organizationsand facilities in the local
region to become accredited.
What was the second one that youtalked about?
I haven't heard of that.
Jerrod Jeffries (23:33):
Jared, that's really wonderful.
I think it's a really smartidea and a way to help grow
better practices globally, basedoff the appropriate standards.
Deb Tauber (23:43):
And I think the cultural portion is just so key
because people in differentareas do things so differently
and how can we include them andbring them along and help move
this forward?
Jared Kutzin (24:00):
move this forward.
Yeah, so, like I said, thefirst one was with Somessex and
we're calling them theinternational affiliate
organizations which is going toallow organizations like
Somessex to provide dualaccreditation.
And so this is our commissionfor international simulation
accreditation, which is againallowing, like you said, the
proliferation of accreditationbut also the refinement of
accreditation standards for thelocal area.
What was the second one thatyou wanted to talk about?
Deb Tauber (24:23):
Standardized patient initiatives.
Jared Kutzin (24:25):
Sure, I mean, we've always engaged and had
strong working relationship withour standardized patient
community.
Just this past year, we honoredone of the pioneers.
Our pioneer in simulation wasone of the founders of the
standardized patient program.
So I think that the opportunityfor us to continue engaging with
the standardized patientcommunity is extremely,
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extremely important andextremely valuable, because we
need to recognize and continueto recognize that the medical
students and nurses andrespiratory therapists and all
these people at at the end ofthe day, have to communicate and
interact.
So you know, Howard Barrows, thepioneer from this past year,
had developed a number ofdifferent teaching methodologies
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, including the use ofstandardized participants and
standardized patients, and,working with the ASPE community,
we've always had a strongstandardized patient section or
special interest group, and Ithink we can continue to engage
and utilize the technique ofinteracting with standardized
patients, even in hybridscenarios where we're combining
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a standardized patient or astandardized participant with a
part-task trainer or astandardized participant with a
part-task trainer.
You know there's so manyopportunities there for us to
continue to engage with that.
And then you know you'retalking also probably about our
new accreditation standards thatare related to the standardized
patients, and you know that'san important, again for all the
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reasons I just mentionedno-transcript patients and
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standardized patient methodology.
Deb Tauber (26:28):
I agree.
I think that it's a fantasticinitiative and it's going to
really put a lot of focus on thevalue that the standardized
patient can add to simulationand demonstrate that everything
that should be measured whenusing standardized patients.
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Now, as we get ready to kind ofwrap up, what should our
listeners be looking forward tofor 2025?
And how can we support you?
Jared Kutzin (26:57):
So 2025, I think, is going to be an exciting year.
We've got lots of newinitiatives that we're rolling
out.
You know again the new website,which is in the first quarter
of this year, I think learningmanagement systems and content
is going to be added in.
You know, the not too distantfuture SimOps is coming up this
summertime.
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In the not-too-distant future,simops is coming up this
summertime and I thinkrecognizing the value and
importance of the simulationoperations community is second
to none.
For the first time, we arepartnering one of our board
meetings in-person boardmeetings with the SimOps
conference.
So just about every member ofthe board will be in attendance
at SimOps this year, which Ithink is really, really exciting
(27:40):
.
It demonstrates our commitmentto the conference, demonstrates
our commitment to thatspecialized area of the
simulation community and I thinkit exposes not only our SimOps
members to the board members butalso the board to all the great
and unique things that happenat that conference.
It's such a fun conference togo to.
So I think that's a reallyexciting thing.
(28:01):
So it's in Peoria, Illinois, atthe Jump Simulation Center.
I encourage everybody if youhave any time available, take a
trip, come on over.
It'll be a fun time and thenover the next number of months,
you'll hear about a bunch ofother initiatives.
We've got some really excitingthings happening globally.
We have some things happeninglocally.
Our ethics committee is hard atwork, of course, always the SSH
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fund and revamping andrelaunching so there's really
tons of things going on withinthe simulation society and so
many opportunities for ourmembers to get involved and get
engaged.
We've grown in the last 20years.
When I came and got involvedwith SSH, it was easy.
You raised your hand at a smallmeeting of 35 or 40 people and
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somebody said you're now goingover here and you're doing this.
But we've grown and we know thatthere's challenges with growth
and so the Ascend program thatwe've launched this past year,
which is identifying the nextgeneration of simulation leaders
we're doing monthly meetingswith that select group of
individuals and so the call forthe next group of Ascend
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participants will be coming outin the fall.
So you know, every quarterthere's stuff happening, every
month there's stuff happening.
You'll find SSH at meetingsacross the globe.
You know Naxal and Aspie andother meetings that are coming
up.
So our presence is there.
We're looking forward tocontinuing to engage and I think
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that you'll hear more about allof the things that are
happening within SSH.
That leads us to meeting themarkers we have set through our
strategic plan, each quarter ofthe year, as they come up and as
we're ready to roll out all ofthese initiatives.
Deb Tauber (29:43):
Thank you.
Thank you Now, Jerrod Jeffries.
Do you have any questions forJared?
Jerrod Jeffries (29:48):
No, I love that .
I mean certainly as busy asever for SSH and I love you
guys' commitment to the sim opscommunity and in the, the
foundations of all thosetechnicians and all the work
that they do.
But across the board of whatall you're doing, and
recognizing the growth and thescalability and and the
assistance that the industryneeds and, of course, ssh is a
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is a beacon of that of whatthey've grown and matured into
so wonderful yeah yeah, we'reexcited this is it's it's a
two-headed sort of process thatwe're undertaking, right.
Jared Kutzin (30:20):
So we have the external things that you're all
going to see and our members aregoing to see and be engaged
with, but there's so much goingon behind the scenes as well.
We are implementing newprocesses, reconfiguring
processes to make them moreefficient, so that our staff,
who is the lifeblood andbackbone of the society, can
operate to their highest level,just like we talk about our
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clinicians operating to thehighest level and to the full
scope of their practice.
We need to make sure that wehave the right processes on the
back end so that SSH staff canoperate to the highest level and
to the fullest as well.
And so we're really excited.
We've already started toimplement some of those systems
project management software,communication software and
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things along those lines.
So those aren't the fun andexciting things that our members
get to see and hear about, butthose are the lifeblood and
backbone, and if you don't havethose in place, then there's
just too much inefficiency andwe're not getting the actual
work done that we want to getdone.
Know, as much as I love talkingabout going to SimOps and
engaging with them and and CISAand and the standardized patient
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programs like there's so muchwork that that that's going on
behind the scenes I just feellike we have to mention, like
you know, the importance of thatas well, because it's not the
fun, sexy, exciting stuff, butit's.
It's the important stuff andit's the stuff that we have to
get right.
Jerrod Jeffries (31:37):
But it's investing in infrastructure and
that's what's needed for thenext leg up back to the next
five years.
Right, it needs to startsomewhere and got to rip off the
Band-Aid and invest in that.
Jared Kutzin (31:49):
That's it.
Deb Tauber (31:49):
That's what we're doing, all right?
Well, we are so grateful tohave had you.
Jared Kutzin (32:05):
Are there any final closing thoughts that
you'd like to leave ourlisteners with?
I would say engage with thecommunity of practice.
And so, whether or not you'reattending one of SSH's
conference or an affiliateconference, or if you haven't
had the opportunity yet, thereare so many great opportunities
for you to engage in throughpodcasts like this, through our
vendor partners.
There's so many greatopportunities for you to engage
in through podcasts like thisthrough our vendor partners.
There's so many greatopportunities for you to engage,
for your leadership to engageand for you to engage with the
up-and-coming generations andpeople who are next in line, who
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are going to continue to movethis forward.
So, as much as SSH is lookingto collaborate and reach out and
branch out, I encourageeverybody in their home
organizations to reach out andbranch out and collaborate.
Find that computer programmer,find that game developer, work
with them on developing contentfor VR or AR or online content.
Take what we're doing globallyand do it locally, and if
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everyone does that, we're goingto see massive seismic movements
in the way that simulation isutilized and perceived and
funded going forward.
So it takes everybody, and I'mexcited about what the society
can do, but I'm also excitedabout what all of our members
can do locally.
Deb Tauber (33:07):
Thank you.
Those are excellent, excellentwords to leave our community
with and we appreciate you verymuch.
Jared Kutzin (33:15):
Thank you, thanks for having me today.
Deb Tauber (33:17):
Thank you and happy simulating.
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