February 4, 2025 • 30 mins
Reflecting on the planning journey of IMSH 2025, the dedicated team shares their experiences, triumphs, and challenges while emphasizing the importance of collaboration and community within the simulation world. Listeners gain insights into theme selection, speaker curation, and the emotional bonds formed throughout the process.
• Harnessing diverse expertise in the planning team
• Emotional moments of selection and acceptance
• Crafting a theme that honors the past and future
• The intricacies of selecting impactful speakers
• Navigating challenges and celebrating connections
• Handoff traditions for future planning committees
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Welcome to the Sim Cafe, apodcast produced by the team at
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host Deb Tauber and co-hostJerrod Jeffries, Join .
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Deb Tauber, and co-host JerrodJeffries as they sit down with
subject matter experts fromacross the globe to reimagine
clinical education and the useof simulation.
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Welcome to another episode ofThe Sim Cafe, and today we are
here with the 2025 PlanningCommittee.
Thank you so much for being on.
We have here Katie Kenzie, wehave Shannon DeMarco, kyle
Johnson and welcome JaredJeffries.
Why don't you guys go ahead andeach tell our listeners a
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little bit kyle about yourselfand then we can talk about IMSH
2025.
Katie, you want to go first?
Katie, you want to go first?
Thanks.
Katie Kenzie (02:02):
Deb and Jerrod.
My name is Katie Mc Kenzie.
I come from the simulationoperations world.
I've been in simulation forover 10 years now and I am
joining you this morning fromBrisbane, Australia.
Thank you.
Deb Tauber (02:18):
Kyle, you want to go ahead.
Kyle Johnson (02:20):
Absolutely.
My name is Kyle Johnson.
I'm coming from Texas TechUniversity Health Sciences
Center in Lubbock, Texas, whereI serve as the executive
director for the TTUHSCsimulation program.
I have been involved in nursingeducation, nurse simulation and
nursing education for about thepast 10 years and more recently
, getting to work withinterprofessional learners
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across all health professionsI'm 'm well in the know, loving
every minute of it.
Deb Tauber (02:46):
Excellent.
Shannon DeMarco (02:47):
Yeah, and then I guess I'll go last.
My name is Shannon DeMarco andI am the Administrative Director
of Emergency Education andClinical Simulation at the
University of Wisconsin here inMadison.
I have worked in simulation forabout 11 years now and started
out in doing research in medicaleducation and simulation-based
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research with Dr Carla Pugh backat UW-Madison, starting in 2014
.
Then I worked at Children'sMinnesota for a few years in
their research institute andtheir simulation center and then
came back to Madison in 2019 tobe the director of their SIM
program, and I'm really excitedto be here.
Thanks for having us.
Deb Tauber (03:25):
Thanks for being on.
So the first question I thinkwe were going to talk about is
have you guys debriefed sinceIMSH 2025?
Shannon DeMarco (03:39):
No, this is actually, I think, the first
time we've seen each other'sfaces since we all left each
other in Orlando a couple weeksago.
Jerrod Jeffries (03:43):
Oh, this is going to get juicy.
Then left each other in Orlandoa couple weeks ago.
Deb Tauber (03:45):
Oh this is going to get juicy, then A little reunion
, yeah, okay.
So how does the planningcommittee get selected?
Do you guys want to go over onlike the whole process of it, in
case any of our listeners areinterested in becoming a
planning committee person in2027?
Shannon DeMarco (04:05):
Yeah, absolutely Happy to take that
question and really kind of talkabout what that process looks
like.
So back in May of 2023, so about18 months before IMSH 2025, we
all put in our applications forthis leadership position with
SSH.
It's a volunteer position, butthere are some requirements for
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being planning co-chair that thewebsite can definitely disclose
to people who are interested inlooking at it, but it is open
to anybody that fills withinthose qualifications to apply to
be a planning co-chair.
So I believe it was May of 2020and in May of 2023, we all
submitted our applications andit went through a vetting
process with leadership at SSH,the Society for Simulation and
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Healthcare.
And then, we believe we foundout in August, Andrew Spain
emailed each of us,congratulating us and telling us
that we were going to be the2025 planning co-chairs and you
know, from there we kind ofstarted getting on some emails
and you know I know we're goingto talk a little bit about what
those first meetings looked like, but it was kind of this moment
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where we held our breath forabout two months, wondering and
waiting to see if we were goingto be selected for this amazing
opportunity.
Deb Tauber (05:20):
And how did you feel when you found out that you
were selected and how did youfeel when?
Shannon DeMarco (05:23):
you found out that you were selected, I felt
very privileged and extremelyhonored.
I likely probably cried just alittle bit because I was so
excited Knowing that I would beable to serve the SSH and IMSH
in this caliber, knowing it's ahuge honor and privilege to do
so.
So I was personally over themoon excited.
Katie Kenzie (05:42):
Thank you.
We know that Shannon's a littlebit of a crier and we love you
and always we knew that we wereat an important moment in the
process when Shannon's like,hang on, hang on, I need a
minute.
Uh, we, we knew that we were ata good point, um, yeah, uh, in
the process, very good, um.
But for for me, I had a littlebit of bit of that imposter
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syndrome moment of like oh, theypicked me, okay, well, here we
go.
But I quickly moved past thatand realized that they did pick
me and that meant that I wasthere and held myself proud.
So I think proud was probablythe big thing and held myself
proud.
So I think proud was probablythe big thing.
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I was proud to be there fromthe simulation operations
community, which hasn't alwaysbeen represented in positions
like this, and then later thattransferred into my feelings
where I volunteered for this.
Jerrod Jeffries (06:45):
So yeah, privileged and proud, and then
going into the volunteer role.
Kyle Johnson (06:49):
Yeah, yeah For me.
I I had just I was starting anew role when I when I found out
I was learning that I was goingto be in a different role.
So I was.
I would say I was a little bitnervous about, you know, I'd
learned that this is quite a bigpartaking, just to make sure
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that I had my workplace, which Idid.
So, you know, I just kind ofmade sure that I had strong
support.
And then, yeah, I would say Iresonate with Katie and Shannon.
That moment of like wow, likey'all selected me.
This is really cool.
I've wanted to be something partlike this big, but also that,
oh gosh, you picked me.
And again, a little bit likeKatie, I've been on the research
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committee, so educator research.
But the research committee iswhere a lot of my involvement
with SSH has come from, andagain, not a committee that's
usually liking to get up onfront of the stage a whole lot,
and so I usually found myselfwith that task when I was at
IMSH, and so really getting toshow some enthusiasm about
research but also getting to seepart of the whole planning
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process, was just an honor.
It was a lot of fun, and so Iknew I was on a journey of fun
and then got to know these two,Shannon and Katie, so well,
which has made for a great team.
Jerrod Jeffries (08:08):
Maybe too well, but a question for you is is
there anything within the past Idon't want to say year, more
than a year, 18 months that hassurprised you through the
planning, or what's one of thebigger, larger takeaways for
people looking to do this in thefuture?
Katie Kenzie (08:24):
I'm happy to jump in on that one, because I've
been this has been somethingI've been saying a lot, you know
.
I don't know if this wasnecessarily a surprise, but it
definitely is something thatreally I got to understand more
and that's the amount of amazingwork the SSH staff do on a
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daily basis sort of the face ofIMSH 2025.
But, honestly, the work that wedid is nothing in comparison to
what the entire team of Ibelieve it's 18 folks at SSH,
you know put together.
We would throw out the ideasand they would come back and say
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, okay, we can do that, yes,we've done that.
And to walk on site I don'tknow for Kyle and Shannon, but
to walk on site and to walk intothat lobby and see everything
that we had discussed, you know,months and months and months
prior come to life was justabsolutely spectacular, and it
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was all through the hard work ofevery single person on the SSH
team.
Shannon DeMarco (09:36):
Yeah, I can kind of piggyback off of that,
as I would totally agree withKatie.
I think for me, when we got toIMSH 2024, so the year before
our IMSH I think I felt a littleoverwhelmed of just not
understanding exactly thebreadth of how much work we were
going to have to do.
We'd already picked our themeand I know we're going to talk
about that probably a little bit.
We'd already picked the themes,we were kind of on our way, but
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I don't think I understood howmuch food on the ground work the
SSH team really does do for us,and so it was.
I was a little overwhelmed,especially at IMSH 2024, but
then recognizing that that SSHteam is absolutely incredible
and is there to support us, soif we ever had questions, if we
ever had some extra support weneeded, they were there for us
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and there was a lot of work forus to do but it made the
workload very doable andmanageable.
Deb Tauber (10:28):
And can you share with us how the first meetings
went Can?
Katie Kenzie (10:33):
you share with us how the first meetings went.
Yeah, for sure, that wassomething that, when I saw the
names of the you know otherco-chairs, I thought, hmm, I've
seen those names but I don'tknow them.
This should be fun.
At that first meeting, I thinkwe were all really eager to find
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out who we had entered thisadventure with, and so we
started meeting in October of2023 with our main task of those
first, and we met every weekfor the most part for that 16
odd months before IMSH 2025.
So we got to know each othervery, very well during that time
, and during those first fewmeetings, we were really tasked
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with sort of coming up with thetheme for IMSH 2025.
I think, in a lot of ways, ourgroup was super lucky in that we
came in for the 25thanniversary and so, whilst we
were told that our theme didn'thave to reflect that that you
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know that wasn't any partmandated I think it gave us some
scaffolding as a group, and sowe were able to enter the space.
Even though we'd never workedtogether, we were able to enter
the space with kind of a littlebit of a sense of where we might
want this to go.
Very quickly, it became apparentthat Kyle, shannon and I um see
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eye to eye on a lot of thingsbut also come from very
different backgrounds and verydifferent places, which doesn't
always happen, that you havealignment but diversity in
thought, and so we actuallydidn't have too much of the
storming phase.
Well, at least I don't think wehad too much of the storming
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phase.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, shannon and Kyle, but it was
one of these things that when welooked at it, we sort of said
we really wanted to acknowledgethe 25th anniversary, but we
didn't want it to be a momentwhere the whole conference was
all about the past.
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We, really, between the threeof us, we were most excited
about celebrating that diversity, not only within our team but
the diversity within theorganization, where we're
growing, where we've you knowwhere we wanted the organization
to go.
And so we met and met and metaround the theme and we kept
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throwing things out.
And then eventually we had thismoment where someone said
something and it reminded me ofa song and I was like, well,
what about looking back?
And then I think I said lookingforward, and everyone and I
sort of just said it off thecuff and everyone was like, well
, what about looking back, um?
And then I think I said lookingforward, and everyone and I
sort of just said it off thecuff and everyone was like oh,
yeah, yeah, that's really good.
And then somehow we circledback and you know, then we
wordsmith that.
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But what we sort of all agreedwas that was something that
allowed us to celebrate ourfoundations and where we've come
from.
But we really made an intentionin those first few months of
meetings to really focus in onhow are we going to message the
reaching forward part of thetheme.
Deb Tauber (13:41):
Excellent, excellent .
How did you guys decide on thespeakers?
That had to be really dauntingtake that one.
Shannon DeMarco (13:59):
We went.
We did get to meet together inperson in Florida in February of
2024.
So about 11 months ahead of theconference I think it was
February, right yeah and we gottogether in a small room with a
whole bunch of food and a selectfew people and we kind of
talked about.
You know, we'd kind ofruminated and thought about
speakers.
We had been given some kind ofadvice on where to look for
speakers.
They have, they work SSH againworks with incredible speaker
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bureaus to find some reallygreat speakers and can offer up
advice on different speakersbased on what we were looking
for.
But we essentially sat in a roomfor two or three days straight
and watched a lot of videos andhad a lot of conversations
specifically around what were welooking for?
And it wasn't just, you know, welike this one speaker, we're
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going to put that person intothis space, we're going to put
this person in space.
We actually really were verythoughtful about what we wanted
each day to feel like.
We wanted to make sure that wewere addressing specific
components of, you know, thereaching back or looking back,
reaching forward theme withinour speakers.
And so, as we put these fourspeakers together, we really
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kind of mapped out and thought,okay, kyle Shealy would be the
best person to kick us off.
And you know, we kind of movedourselves around that when we
had Crystal, we intentionallyput Crystal on a specific day,
we had Nicole on a specific daywe had all of our speakers kind
of mapped out how we thoughtthey would flow best for the
entirety of the conference.
So once we got through thatmeeting together, we had a short
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list of people that we wanted,a couple of backup people again,
let SSH run with it and theyworked on kind of putting in
contracts, putting the people inplace and making sure that we
were within our limitations ofwhat we were given as guidance
but then also were able to stillreally put forward that idea
that we really wanted to, withthe looking back, reaching
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forward format.
Deb Tauber (15:48):
And did you have anything that really surprised
you?
Kyle Johnson (15:52):
I can start with that one.
I think we'll probably allthree have something that
surprised us.
You know, one of the thingsthat we kind of reflected on is,
as we got there, we were likeyou know, there have been IMSHs
before that have had tons andtons of rain, and you know our
fear that that was going to belike some event that we would
have to navigate while we wereon site, and you know there was
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some weather issues that causedpeople to get delayed.
And then the first night of thediamond ball, I remember I
believe I was outside witheither I can't remember if it
was Katie or Shannon and thatfire alarm actually went off.
And we found out that thereactually was one, and and our,
the whole group was stilldancing inside of the diamond
ball.
And we're like that's going tobe our thing, there's going to
be a fire, we're going to allhave to evacuate during the
diamond ball.
But we didn't, and so really,everything went really smoothly,
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and so I say that one kind oflaughing.
The thing that surprised me themost is we got a chance to meet
with each of these speakersahead of time and we talked to
them about our discipline, aboutour passion.
They always asked us about whatshould we be mindful of, what
should we consider?
And I felt that each speakerheard us and somehow tied just a
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little bit in the simulation.
I mean the first guy, Kyle, thepatron saint of crazy ideas,
like I will never forget.
And I think if anybody was atIMSH people probably know that
Nicole, the patron saint ofcrazy ideas Like I will never
forget.
And I think if anybody was atIMSH people probably know that
Nicole the pilot like she keptreferring to me during it.
So that was a lot of fun.
But when Kyle Shealy said onthe first day I mean at some
point Don't you think peoplethought simulation was a crazy
idea, I thought you nailed itbecause everybody in this room
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from an operationsadministration researcher
background knows that a lot oftimes it's like, well, we can do
that in clinical, we can dothis the way we've done it.
And when he landed that on thefirst day, I thought our team
was heard and they put voice tosimulation and I think it just
that was a big surprise for meis just how that first day, I
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think, ignited people for thatreaching forward like mentality.
I thought, that was really coolyeah, and Kyle.
Katie Kenzie (18:01):
I think, echoing off that, definitely each one of
the speakers had those momentswhere we had hoped that they
would do their research, but Ithink the level of research that
they did was something that wehaven't necessarily seen before.
I went to introduce Nicole toBarry Eisenberg on the first day
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backstage and I said Nicole,this is Barry, he's our
president of the organization.
She said, oh, I know so she hadalready.
She had already done herresearch, and that was
definitely a surprising momentfor me of being like, oh okay,
well, good, this is Barry.
Um, so yeah, I echo that, kyle,that was something that was
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both exciting and a goodsurprise um, and for me I would
agree with both what Kyle andKatie said.
Shannon DeMarco (18:49):
But but I have another piece that was really
exciting and kind of surprisingto me is so this year they tried
something new by doing acornhole tournament the first
night, and you know it was.
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All the proceeds went to theSSH fund, which I think was a
great cause to put it to.
I watched all of it for themost part, and watching the
teams of people play was amazing.
But seeing the collaborationand the communication and just
the off-the-cuff conversationsthat occurred was really
impactful for me and it was coolto see, through the rest of the
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week, the people that I sawthat I knew interacted at the
Cornhole tournament, saying hito new people in the hallways
that they would not have met anyother way.
And then, as a shameless plug,our team from Madison I wasn't
playing, but our team fromMadison won the Cornhole
tournament, which is why Iwatched about three hours worth
of Cornhole.
But I think it was such a coolway to kick it off because you
saw people.
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We saw a lot of SSH fellowsplaying.
We saw people who was theirfirst IMSH, had never been there
before, and people that youmight not see interacting with
one another throughout the restof the conference really got
that chance to have some dynamicconversations, even if it's
just about where they're fromand how good they are at
cornhole no, I could never findyou, Shannon uh you did a lot of
cornhole, but I did hear a lotabout that cornhole tournament I
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think a lot of people love Iand I don't remember his name uh
, katie, maybe you know he wasaustralian, but some australian
guy was the first time playingcornhole and he just loved it.
Jerrod Jeffries (20:30):
It was like, yeah, this conference is even
better just because of thiscornhole thing.
So, to your point, it is stufflike that, right.
Of course, the keynotes and thepresenters are memorable, as
well as the overall show, butit's something that's a little
different and pushes things thatpeople don't expect.
I think that really make themwalk away memorable.
Katie Kenzie (20:52):
Yeah, and I think the cool thing about that is he
was actually one of therecipients of the awards to be
sponsored to come to IMSH.
Oh, even better.
Yeah, yeah, so a big fullcircle there.
Jerrod Jeffries (21:00):
Perfect.
Deb Tauber (21:00):
Great.
How do you hand off to the 2026Planning Committee?
How does that work?
Kyle Johnson (21:08):
You know, just kind of echoing what Katie said
about the work that the SSHstaff does, we learned when we
were going to be handed off to.
You know, we came into IMSH2024 and we had things that we
had to do and we were alsopresenting.
So that was a very busy IMSHfor us and at the same time
we're watching the co plannersfor IMSH 24 put on this.
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You know just how their themecame together and all of this
and we were so early in theplanning stage and I didn't
really know them that well, Idid.
I did know one person betterthan the others, but it's not
like I had been, you know,talking with them a whole bunch.
But the IMSH team said you know, you're the last day.
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Once the final day is done,you'll meet with the team that
just is wrapping up and you'llget to have lunch, which of
course, on the last day.
The tradition of unveiling thenew theme and handing it off
always happens.
But they talked to us aboutwell, you'll get to have lunch
and it turns out that that'skind of been a tradition that
the group that is incoming asthe co-planners gets to do lunch
with the previous co-plannerson the last day and we did.
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I mean, the IMSH was done, wewent and we were out by the pool
in San Diego and sat there andjust kind of enjoyed a time of
fellowship with one another,food and drink, and just talked
about their experience.
Some things that along the waythey kind of ran into that were
like this was a very busy time.
So when they tell you to carveout this week, carve that week
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out, and so, and things that wehad heard from the team but then
had been reiterated by thethree co-planners.
So then we all knew like, okay,on the last day we get to do
the handing off process.
I had not seen the theme, Ididn't know the theme until
during the rehearsal the daybefore.
So that's all we got to showoff, our two hands, touching and
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looking back, reaching forward.
And then that moment where wewere in the rehearsal and we
were like oh, unbound, likethat's cool, and then hearing
their thought process behind it.
We got to the privilege ofseeing that in the rehearsal the
day before and seeing them getup on stage and again navigate
the clunkiness.
Were super nervous about that.
This will all come with time.
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But then we had lunch with themright afterwards got a chance
to meet with them, learn alittle bit more about them,
learn how their theme cametogether and then share our
perspective of what really justpassed the torch right.
So I feel like many of thethings that we were told in that
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meeting we probably for us, wereiterated to them, but it's
turned into this tradition and Iremember, you know and again I
just think we can't say enoughKatie Shannon and I a number of
times talked about the SSH staff, the little things like.
The little things that the SSHstaff turning, like making this
co-planner a role, that's aleadership opportunity to get to
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work with them, and then justthe little things of like, yeah,
you get to have lunch with themand you get to pick the team,
and that just made theexperience all so well.
So then, yeah, I remembertelling Trinnell I'm like this
lunch thing you've got to alwaysdo it.
You always have to do itbecause now it's just this
tradition and even though weonly had about an hour with each
other before people had tocatch on flights, it's
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meaningful.
So that was the handoff process.
Jerrod Jeffries (24:33):
And to that point, kyle, I mean that is the
point of going to theseconferences, right, I mean IMSH,
arguably the largest.
It's the network, it'sconnections, the people you meet
and I think what you three youknow came together.
Okay, who am I going to beplanning this one with?
And then, when it comes to youknow, getting in deeper and
getting to know some of the SSAstaff and all those passionate
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you know around the world, it'ssomething pretty special.
Katie Kenzie (24:59):
And I think anyone who's thinking about maybe
taking up this opportunity.
I think that's one of thebiggest wins that you get out of
this personally is theconnections that you get to make
with folks that you know.
I had always interacted withthe SSH staff, generally via
email or like a quick hi atthese events and things like
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that, but this allows you to getto know them as the
professionals they are and thepeople that they are.
You get to meet with all thecontent, co-leads and leads who
put in an enormous amount ofwork, and that's from folks
across the spectrum that you getto meet with and show your
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appreciation.
You get to meet with boardmembers and fellows, but you
also I don't know about Kyle,actually I do know about Kyle
and Shannon we would take twosteps at the conference and
people would come up to you andtalk, and so we got to meet
people from around the world,and I know we normally get to do
that, but you get to do it on awhole other level when it comes
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to to this, and so that wouldbe one of the biggest perks.
I would say, if you're thinkingof doing this, know that you're
going to walk away with reallydeep connections and
interactions with folks acrossthe world and across the
spectrum of simulation, and youget to make two pretty good
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co-chair friends out of it forsure yeah, a lot of feedback
about how wonderful theconference is was this year and
you guys should feel really goodabout the work that you did and
you know and the differencethat you made.
Kyle Johnson (26:39):
Thank you yeah, thank you very much you're
welcome.
Deb Tauber (26:43):
Thank you for what you did.
Do you guys have any closingremarks that you want to leave
our listeners with?
Katie Kenzie (26:50):
So we've just spent a little while looking
back.
So now let's move into 2025,reaching forward.
Shannon DeMarco (26:57):
I.
My parting thoughts is that youknow, if it's something, that
this is a great way to serve theSSH and the simulation
community, and so if you areconsidering it, I strongly
encourage you to apply for it orto reach out to Katie.
Kyle and I.
We'd love to chat with youabout our experience more, give
you tips and considerations tohave, and then you know, to echo
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what Kyle and Katie have said,without trying to cry, that has
been the theme in the earlierpart of this but I've made two
amazing friends in this realm,not just colleagues, people I
would consider to be dearfriends for a lifetime, people I
know I can rely on forquestions within the simulation
community that I probablywouldn't be comfortable going to
other people for maybe and it'sworth it, like even just that
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walking away I felt sad and kindof like I don't know what my
next steps are with service forSSH.
I still want to contribute toSSH as best I can.
So it was sad when it was over,mostly because I won't be
seeing Kyle and Katie on aweekly basis and Trinnell and
the amazing team at SSH.
So it's a fast and fun, blurryyear.
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It's well worth it and weencourage anybody to give it a
shot.
Deb Tauber (28:06):
Thank you.
Kyle Johnson (28:16):
Oh gosh, I don't know how to follow up on that.
Sharon, you might make me cry.
That was well said.
Yeah, that was very wellBecause, yeah, you know, and
I've found, you know, just, evenin the history of my career,
it's often like really difficult, huge, like you know, just the
huge idea of putting somethingon for 4300 people and you want
it to go a certain way, and justall this pressure is really
what bonded us together as ateam, like we wanted it to be
something that worked reallywell and so a lot of work went
into it.
But at the end of the day, wecame out with more than
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colleagues and definitelyfriends that I imagine I'll get
to see at least once a year atall the upcoming IMSHs, and,
yeah, that bond, it is worth it.
So, yeah, I'm finding myselfjust echoing what Shannon says,
but I would definitely say, ifyou've got the time and you've
got the support from youruniversity.
Deb Tauber (28:57):
Go for it.
Very cool.
Thank you so much, Jerrod.
Anything you want to concludewith?
Jerrod Jeffries (29:01):
no, I appreciate you taking the time
here.
You three I know past I waseven trying to do the math there
we've been meeting weekly forthe past 18 months.
That that's a lot of meetings,so I'm sure this is not the
final one by any means.
But I appreciate you spendingthe time to debrief with us, and
I think you know there's a lotof people that are curious about
how to give back to SSH, andyou know, I think there's a
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multitude of ways, just asthere's a multitude of ways to
be a simulationist, and so Ithink you know, spending some
time looking into what you'vebeen through and share your
experience has been reallyhelpful.
So I appreciate you spendingthe time with us and, of course,
we'll see you next year.
Deb Tauber (29:40):
Yeah, thank you, and thank you Katie for getting up
so early.
Katie's in Australia, so wereally had a little global
podcast today, right?
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Deb Tauber, and co-host JerrodJeffries as they sit down with
subject matter experts fromacross the globe to reimagine
clinical education and the useof simulation.
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Welcome to another episode ofThe Sim Cafe, and today we are
here with the 2025 PlanningCommittee.
Thank you so much for being on.
We have here Katie Kenzie, wehave Shannon DeMarco, kyle
Johnson and welcome JaredJeffries.
Why don't you guys go ahead andeach tell our listeners a
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little bit kyle about yourselfand then we can talk about IMSH
2025.
Katie, you want to go first?
Katie, you want to go first?
Thanks.
Katie Kenzie (02:02):
Deb and Jerrod.
My name is Katie Mc Kenzie.
I come from the simulationoperations world.
I've been in simulation forover 10 years now and I am
joining you this morning fromBrisbane, Australia.
Thank you.
Deb Tauber (02:18):
Kyle, you want to go ahead.
Kyle Johnson (02:20):
Absolutely.
My name is Kyle Johnson.
I'm coming from Texas TechUniversity Health Sciences
Center in Lubbock, Texas, whereI serve as the executive
director for the TTUHSCsimulation program.
I have been involved in nursingeducation, nurse simulation and
nursing education for about thepast 10 years and more recently
, getting to work withinterprofessional learners
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across all health professionsI'm 'm well in the know, loving
every minute of it.
Deb Tauber (02:46):
Excellent.
Shannon DeMarco (02:47):
Yeah, and then I guess I'll go last.
My name is Shannon DeMarco andI am the Administrative Director
of Emergency Education andClinical Simulation at the
University of Wisconsin here inMadison.
I have worked in simulation forabout 11 years now and started
out in doing research in medicaleducation and simulation-based
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research with Dr Carla Pugh backat UW-Madison, starting in 2014
.
Then I worked at Children'sMinnesota for a few years in
their research institute andtheir simulation center and then
came back to Madison in 2019 tobe the director of their SIM
program, and I'm really excitedto be here.
Thanks for having us.
Deb Tauber (03:25):
Thanks for being on.
So the first question I thinkwe were going to talk about is
have you guys debriefed sinceIMSH 2025?
Shannon DeMarco (03:39):
No, this is actually, I think, the first
time we've seen each other'sfaces since we all left each
other in Orlando a couple weeksago.
Jerrod Jeffries (03:43):
Oh, this is going to get juicy.
Then left each other in Orlandoa couple weeks ago.
Deb Tauber (03:45):
Oh this is going to get juicy, then A little reunion
, yeah, okay.
So how does the planningcommittee get selected?
Do you guys want to go over onlike the whole process of it, in
case any of our listeners areinterested in becoming a
planning committee person in2027?
Shannon DeMarco (04:05):
Yeah, absolutely Happy to take that
question and really kind of talkabout what that process looks
like.
So back in May of 2023, so about18 months before IMSH 2025, we
all put in our applications forthis leadership position with
SSH.
It's a volunteer position, butthere are some requirements for
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being planning co-chair that thewebsite can definitely disclose
to people who are interested inlooking at it, but it is open
to anybody that fills withinthose qualifications to apply to
be a planning co-chair.
So I believe it was May of 2020and in May of 2023, we all
submitted our applications andit went through a vetting
process with leadership at SSH,the Society for Simulation and
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Healthcare.
And then, we believe we foundout in August, Andrew Spain
emailed each of us,congratulating us and telling us
that we were going to be the2025 planning co-chairs and you
know, from there we kind ofstarted getting on some emails
and you know I know we're goingto talk a little bit about what
those first meetings looked like, but it was kind of this moment
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where we held our breath forabout two months, wondering and
waiting to see if we were goingto be selected for this amazing
opportunity.
Deb Tauber (05:20):
And how did you feel when you found out that you
were selected and how did youfeel when?
Shannon DeMarco (05:23):
you found out that you were selected, I felt
very privileged and extremelyhonored.
I likely probably cried just alittle bit because I was so
excited Knowing that I would beable to serve the SSH and IMSH
in this caliber, knowing it's ahuge honor and privilege to do
so.
So I was personally over themoon excited.
Katie Kenzie (05:42):
Thank you.
We know that Shannon's a littlebit of a crier and we love you
and always we knew that we wereat an important moment in the
process when Shannon's like,hang on, hang on, I need a
minute.
Uh, we, we knew that we were ata good point, um, yeah, uh, in
the process, very good, um.
But for for me, I had a littlebit of bit of that imposter
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syndrome moment of like oh, theypicked me, okay, well, here we
go.
But I quickly moved past thatand realized that they did pick
me and that meant that I wasthere and held myself proud.
So I think proud was probablythe big thing and held myself
proud.
So I think proud was probablythe big thing.
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I was proud to be there fromthe simulation operations
community, which hasn't alwaysbeen represented in positions
like this, and then later thattransferred into my feelings
where I volunteered for this.
Jerrod Jeffries (06:45):
So yeah, privileged and proud, and then
going into the volunteer role.
Kyle Johnson (06:49):
Yeah, yeah For me.
I I had just I was starting anew role when I when I found out
I was learning that I was goingto be in a different role.
So I was.
I would say I was a little bitnervous about, you know, I'd
learned that this is quite a bigpartaking, just to make sure
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that I had my workplace, which Idid.
So, you know, I just kind ofmade sure that I had strong
support.
And then, yeah, I would say Iresonate with Katie and Shannon.
That moment of like wow, likey'all selected me.
This is really cool.
I've wanted to be something partlike this big, but also that,
oh gosh, you picked me.
And again, a little bit likeKatie, I've been on the research
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committee, so educator research.
But the research committee iswhere a lot of my involvement
with SSH has come from, andagain, not a committee that's
usually liking to get up onfront of the stage a whole lot,
and so I usually found myselfwith that task when I was at
IMSH, and so really getting toshow some enthusiasm about
research but also getting to seepart of the whole planning
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process, was just an honor.
It was a lot of fun, and so Iknew I was on a journey of fun
and then got to know these two,Shannon and Katie, so well,
which has made for a great team.
Jerrod Jeffries (08:08):
Maybe too well, but a question for you is is
there anything within the past Idon't want to say year, more
than a year, 18 months that hassurprised you through the
planning, or what's one of thebigger, larger takeaways for
people looking to do this in thefuture?
Katie Kenzie (08:24):
I'm happy to jump in on that one, because I've
been this has been somethingI've been saying a lot, you know
.
I don't know if this wasnecessarily a surprise, but it
definitely is something thatreally I got to understand more
and that's the amount of amazingwork the SSH staff do on a
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daily basis sort of the face ofIMSH 2025.
But, honestly, the work that wedid is nothing in comparison to
what the entire team of Ibelieve it's 18 folks at SSH,
you know put together.
We would throw out the ideasand they would come back and say
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, okay, we can do that, yes,we've done that.
And to walk on site I don'tknow for Kyle and Shannon, but
to walk on site and to walk intothat lobby and see everything
that we had discussed, you know,months and months and months
prior come to life was justabsolutely spectacular, and it
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was all through the hard work ofevery single person on the SSH
team.
Shannon DeMarco (09:36):
Yeah, I can kind of piggyback off of that,
as I would totally agree withKatie.
I think for me, when we got toIMSH 2024, so the year before
our IMSH I think I felt a littleoverwhelmed of just not
understanding exactly thebreadth of how much work we were
going to have to do.
We'd already picked our themeand I know we're going to talk
about that probably a little bit.
We'd already picked the themes,we were kind of on our way, but
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I don't think I understood howmuch food on the ground work the
SSH team really does do for us,and so it was.
I was a little overwhelmed,especially at IMSH 2024, but
then recognizing that that SSHteam is absolutely incredible
and is there to support us, soif we ever had questions, if we
ever had some extra support weneeded, they were there for us
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and there was a lot of work forus to do but it made the
workload very doable andmanageable.
Deb Tauber (10:28):
And can you share with us how the first meetings
went Can?
Katie Kenzie (10:33):
you share with us how the first meetings went.
Yeah, for sure, that wassomething that, when I saw the
names of the you know otherco-chairs, I thought, hmm, I've
seen those names but I don'tknow them.
This should be fun.
At that first meeting, I thinkwe were all really eager to find
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out who we had entered thisadventure with, and so we
started meeting in October of2023 with our main task of those
first, and we met every weekfor the most part for that 16
odd months before IMSH 2025.
So we got to know each othervery, very well during that time
, and during those first fewmeetings, we were really tasked
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with sort of coming up with thetheme for IMSH 2025.
I think, in a lot of ways, ourgroup was super lucky in that we
came in for the 25thanniversary and so, whilst we
were told that our theme didn'thave to reflect that that you
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know that wasn't any partmandated I think it gave us some
scaffolding as a group, and sowe were able to enter the space.
Even though we'd never workedtogether, we were able to enter
the space with kind of a littlebit of a sense of where we might
want this to go.
Very quickly, it became apparentthat Kyle, shannon and I um see
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eye to eye on a lot of thingsbut also come from very
different backgrounds and verydifferent places, which doesn't
always happen, that you havealignment but diversity in
thought, and so we actuallydidn't have too much of the
storming phase.
Well, at least I don't think wehad too much of the storming
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phase.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, shannon and Kyle, but it was
one of these things that when welooked at it, we sort of said
we really wanted to acknowledgethe 25th anniversary, but we
didn't want it to be a momentwhere the whole conference was
all about the past.
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We, really, between the threeof us, we were most excited
about celebrating that diversity, not only within our team but
the diversity within theorganization, where we're
growing, where we've you knowwhere we wanted the organization
to go.
And so we met and met and metaround the theme and we kept
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throwing things out.
And then eventually we had thismoment where someone said
something and it reminded me ofa song and I was like, well,
what about looking back?
And then I think I said lookingforward, and everyone and I
sort of just said it off thecuff and everyone was like, well
, what about looking back, um?
And then I think I said lookingforward, and everyone and I
sort of just said it off thecuff and everyone was like oh,
yeah, yeah, that's really good.
And then somehow we circledback and you know, then we
wordsmith that.
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But what we sort of all agreedwas that was something that
allowed us to celebrate ourfoundations and where we've come
from.
But we really made an intentionin those first few months of
meetings to really focus in onhow are we going to message the
reaching forward part of thetheme.
Deb Tauber (13:41):
Excellent, excellent .
How did you guys decide on thespeakers?
That had to be really dauntingtake that one.
Shannon DeMarco (13:59):
We went.
We did get to meet together inperson in Florida in February of
2024.
So about 11 months ahead of theconference I think it was
February, right yeah and we gottogether in a small room with a
whole bunch of food and a selectfew people and we kind of
talked about.
You know, we'd kind ofruminated and thought about
speakers.
We had been given some kind ofadvice on where to look for
speakers.
They have, they work SSH againworks with incredible speaker
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bureaus to find some reallygreat speakers and can offer up
advice on different speakersbased on what we were looking
for.
But we essentially sat in a roomfor two or three days straight
and watched a lot of videos andhad a lot of conversations
specifically around what were welooking for?
And it wasn't just, you know, welike this one speaker, we're
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going to put that person intothis space, we're going to put
this person in space.
We actually really were verythoughtful about what we wanted
each day to feel like.
We wanted to make sure that wewere addressing specific
components of, you know, thereaching back or looking back,
reaching forward theme withinour speakers.
And so, as we put these fourspeakers together, we really
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kind of mapped out and thought,okay, kyle Shealy would be the
best person to kick us off.
And you know, we kind of movedourselves around that when we
had Crystal, we intentionallyput Crystal on a specific day,
we had Nicole on a specific daywe had all of our speakers kind
of mapped out how we thoughtthey would flow best for the
entirety of the conference.
So once we got through thatmeeting together, we had a short
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list of people that we wanted,a couple of backup people again,
let SSH run with it and theyworked on kind of putting in
contracts, putting the people inplace and making sure that we
were within our limitations ofwhat we were given as guidance
but then also were able to stillreally put forward that idea
that we really wanted to, withthe looking back, reaching
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forward format.
Deb Tauber (15:48):
And did you have anything that really surprised
you?
Kyle Johnson (15:52):
I can start with that one.
I think we'll probably allthree have something that
surprised us.
You know, one of the thingsthat we kind of reflected on is,
as we got there, we were likeyou know, there have been IMSHs
before that have had tons andtons of rain, and you know our
fear that that was going to belike some event that we would
have to navigate while we wereon site, and you know there was
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some weather issues that causedpeople to get delayed.
And then the first night of thediamond ball, I remember I
believe I was outside witheither I can't remember if it
was Katie or Shannon and thatfire alarm actually went off.
And we found out that thereactually was one, and and our,
the whole group was stilldancing inside of the diamond
ball.
And we're like that's going tobe our thing, there's going to
be a fire, we're going to allhave to evacuate during the
diamond ball.
But we didn't, and so really,everything went really smoothly,
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and so I say that one kind oflaughing.
The thing that surprised me themost is we got a chance to meet
with each of these speakersahead of time and we talked to
them about our discipline, aboutour passion.
They always asked us about whatshould we be mindful of, what
should we consider?
And I felt that each speakerheard us and somehow tied just a
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little bit in the simulation.
I mean the first guy, Kyle, thepatron saint of crazy ideas,
like I will never forget.
And I think if anybody was atIMSH people probably know that
Nicole, the patron saint ofcrazy ideas Like I will never
forget.
And I think if anybody was atIMSH people probably know that
Nicole the pilot like she keptreferring to me during it.
So that was a lot of fun.
But when Kyle Shealy said onthe first day I mean at some
point Don't you think peoplethought simulation was a crazy
idea, I thought you nailed itbecause everybody in this room
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from an operationsadministration researcher
background knows that a lot oftimes it's like, well, we can do
that in clinical, we can dothis the way we've done it.
And when he landed that on thefirst day, I thought our team
was heard and they put voice tosimulation and I think it just
that was a big surprise for meis just how that first day, I
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think, ignited people for thatreaching forward like mentality.
I thought, that was really coolyeah, and Kyle.
Katie Kenzie (18:01):
I think, echoing off that, definitely each one of
the speakers had those momentswhere we had hoped that they
would do their research, but Ithink the level of research that
they did was something that wehaven't necessarily seen before.
I went to introduce Nicole toBarry Eisenberg on the first day
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backstage and I said Nicole,this is Barry, he's our
president of the organization.
She said, oh, I know so she hadalready.
She had already done herresearch, and that was
definitely a surprising momentfor me of being like, oh okay,
well, good, this is Barry.
Um, so yeah, I echo that, kyle,that was something that was
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both exciting and a goodsurprise um, and for me I would
agree with both what Kyle andKatie said.
Shannon DeMarco (18:49):
But but I have another piece that was really
exciting and kind of surprisingto me is so this year they tried
something new by doing acornhole tournament the first
night, and you know it was.
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All the proceeds went to theSSH fund, which I think was a
great cause to put it to.
I watched all of it for themost part, and watching the
teams of people play was amazing.
But seeing the collaborationand the communication and just
the off-the-cuff conversationsthat occurred was really
impactful for me and it was coolto see, through the rest of the
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week, the people that I sawthat I knew interacted at the
Cornhole tournament, saying hito new people in the hallways
that they would not have met anyother way.
And then, as a shameless plug,our team from Madison I wasn't
playing, but our team fromMadison won the Cornhole
tournament, which is why Iwatched about three hours worth
of Cornhole.
But I think it was such a coolway to kick it off because you
saw people.
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We saw a lot of SSH fellowsplaying.
We saw people who was theirfirst IMSH, had never been there
before, and people that youmight not see interacting with
one another throughout the restof the conference really got
that chance to have some dynamicconversations, even if it's
just about where they're fromand how good they are at
cornhole no, I could never findyou, Shannon uh you did a lot of
cornhole, but I did hear a lotabout that cornhole tournament I
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think a lot of people love Iand I don't remember his name uh
, katie, maybe you know he wasaustralian, but some australian
guy was the first time playingcornhole and he just loved it.
Jerrod Jeffries (20:30):
It was like, yeah, this conference is even
better just because of thiscornhole thing.
So, to your point, it is stufflike that, right.
Of course, the keynotes and thepresenters are memorable, as
well as the overall show, butit's something that's a little
different and pushes things thatpeople don't expect.
I think that really make themwalk away memorable.
Katie Kenzie (20:52):
Yeah, and I think the cool thing about that is he
was actually one of therecipients of the awards to be
sponsored to come to IMSH.
Oh, even better.
Yeah, yeah, so a big fullcircle there.
Jerrod Jeffries (21:00):
Perfect.
Deb Tauber (21:00):
Great.
How do you hand off to the 2026Planning Committee?
How does that work?
Kyle Johnson (21:08):
You know, just kind of echoing what Katie said
about the work that the SSHstaff does, we learned when we
were going to be handed off to.
You know, we came into IMSH2024 and we had things that we
had to do and we were alsopresenting.
So that was a very busy IMSHfor us and at the same time
we're watching the co plannersfor IMSH 24 put on this.
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You know just how their themecame together and all of this
and we were so early in theplanning stage and I didn't
really know them that well, Idid.
I did know one person betterthan the others, but it's not
like I had been, you know,talking with them a whole bunch.
But the IMSH team said you know, you're the last day.
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Once the final day is done,you'll meet with the team that
just is wrapping up and you'llget to have lunch, which of
course, on the last day.
The tradition of unveiling thenew theme and handing it off
always happens.
But they talked to us aboutwell, you'll get to have lunch
and it turns out that that'skind of been a tradition that
the group that is incoming asthe co-planners gets to do lunch
with the previous co-plannerson the last day and we did.
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I mean, the IMSH was done, wewent and we were out by the pool
in San Diego and sat there andjust kind of enjoyed a time of
fellowship with one another,food and drink, and just talked
about their experience.
Some things that along the waythey kind of ran into that were
like this was a very busy time.
So when they tell you to carveout this week, carve that week
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out, and so, and things that wehad heard from the team but then
had been reiterated by thethree co-planners.
So then we all knew like, okay,on the last day we get to do
the handing off process.
I had not seen the theme, Ididn't know the theme until
during the rehearsal the daybefore.
So that's all we got to showoff, our two hands, touching and
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looking back, reaching forward.
And then that moment where wewere in the rehearsal and we
were like oh, unbound, likethat's cool, and then hearing
their thought process behind it.
We got to the privilege ofseeing that in the rehearsal the
day before and seeing them getup on stage and again navigate
the clunkiness.
Were super nervous about that.
This will all come with time.
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But then we had lunch with themright afterwards got a chance
to meet with them, learn alittle bit more about them,
learn how their theme cametogether and then share our
perspective of what really justpassed the torch right.
So I feel like many of thethings that we were told in that
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meeting we probably for us, wereiterated to them, but it's
turned into this tradition and Iremember, you know and again I
just think we can't say enoughKatie Shannon and I a number of
times talked about the SSH staff, the little things like.
The little things that the SSHstaff turning, like making this
co-planner a role, that's aleadership opportunity to get to
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work with them, and then justthe little things of like, yeah,
you get to have lunch with themand you get to pick the team,
and that just made theexperience all so well.
So then, yeah, I remembertelling Trinnell I'm like this
lunch thing you've got to alwaysdo it.
You always have to do itbecause now it's just this
tradition and even though weonly had about an hour with each
other before people had tocatch on flights, it's
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meaningful.
So that was the handoff process.
Jerrod Jeffries (24:33):
And to that point, kyle, I mean that is the
point of going to theseconferences, right, I mean IMSH,
arguably the largest.
It's the network, it'sconnections, the people you meet
and I think what you three youknow came together.
Okay, who am I going to beplanning this one with?
And then, when it comes to youknow, getting in deeper and
getting to know some of the SSAstaff and all those passionate
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you know around the world, it'ssomething pretty special.
Katie Kenzie (24:59):
And I think anyone who's thinking about maybe
taking up this opportunity.
I think that's one of thebiggest wins that you get out of
this personally is theconnections that you get to make
with folks that you know.
I had always interacted withthe SSH staff, generally via
email or like a quick hi atthese events and things like
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that, but this allows you to getto know them as the
professionals they are and thepeople that they are.
You get to meet with all thecontent, co-leads and leads who
put in an enormous amount ofwork, and that's from folks
across the spectrum that you getto meet with and show your
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appreciation.
You get to meet with boardmembers and fellows, but you
also I don't know about Kyle,actually I do know about Kyle
and Shannon we would take twosteps at the conference and
people would come up to you andtalk, and so we got to meet
people from around the world,and I know we normally get to do
that, but you get to do it on awhole other level when it comes
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to to this, and so that wouldbe one of the biggest perks.
I would say, if you're thinkingof doing this, know that you're
going to walk away with reallydeep connections and
interactions with folks acrossthe world and across the
spectrum of simulation, and youget to make two pretty good
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co-chair friends out of it forsure yeah, a lot of feedback
about how wonderful theconference is was this year and
you guys should feel really goodabout the work that you did and
you know and the differencethat you made.
Kyle Johnson (26:39):
Thank you yeah, thank you very much you're
welcome.
Deb Tauber (26:43):
Thank you for what you did.
Do you guys have any closingremarks that you want to leave
our listeners with?
Katie Kenzie (26:50):
So we've just spent a little while looking
back.
So now let's move into 2025,reaching forward.
Shannon DeMarco (26:57):
I.
My parting thoughts is that youknow, if it's something, that
this is a great way to serve theSSH and the simulation
community, and so if you areconsidering it, I strongly
encourage you to apply for it orto reach out to Katie.
Kyle and I.
We'd love to chat with youabout our experience more, give
you tips and considerations tohave, and then you know, to echo
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what Kyle and Katie have said,without trying to cry, that has
been the theme in the earlierpart of this but I've made two
amazing friends in this realm,not just colleagues, people I
would consider to be dearfriends for a lifetime, people I
know I can rely on forquestions within the simulation
community that I probablywouldn't be comfortable going to
other people for maybe and it'sworth it, like even just that
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walking away I felt sad and kindof like I don't know what my
next steps are with service forSSH.
I still want to contribute toSSH as best I can.
So it was sad when it was over,mostly because I won't be
seeing Kyle and Katie on aweekly basis and Trinnell and
the amazing team at SSH.
So it's a fast and fun, blurryyear.
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It's well worth it and weencourage anybody to give it a
shot.
Deb Tauber (28:06):
Thank you.
Kyle Johnson (28:16):
Oh gosh, I don't know how to follow up on that.
Sharon, you might make me cry.
That was well said.
Yeah, that was very wellBecause, yeah, you know, and
I've found, you know, just, evenin the history of my career,
it's often like really difficult, huge, like you know, just the
huge idea of putting somethingon for 4300 people and you want
it to go a certain way, and justall this pressure is really
what bonded us together as ateam, like we wanted it to be
something that worked reallywell and so a lot of work went
into it.
But at the end of the day, wecame out with more than
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colleagues and definitelyfriends that I imagine I'll get
to see at least once a year atall the upcoming IMSHs, and,
yeah, that bond, it is worth it.
So, yeah, I'm finding myselfjust echoing what Shannon says,
but I would definitely say, ifyou've got the time and you've
got the support from youruniversity.
Deb Tauber (28:57):
Go for it.
Very cool.
Thank you so much, Jerrod.
Anything you want to concludewith?
Jerrod Jeffries (29:01):
no, I appreciate you taking the time
here.
You three I know past I waseven trying to do the math there
we've been meeting weekly forthe past 18 months.
That that's a lot of meetings,so I'm sure this is not the
final one by any means.
But I appreciate you spendingthe time to debrief with us, and
I think you know there's a lotof people that are curious about
how to give back to SSH, andyou know, I think there's a
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multitude of ways, just asthere's a multitude of ways to
be a simulationist, and so Ithink you know, spending some
time looking into what you'vebeen through and share your
experience has been reallyhelpful.
So I appreciate you spendingthe time with us and, of course,
we'll see you next year.
Deb Tauber (29:40):
Yeah, thank you, and thank you Katie for getting up
so early.
Katie's in Australia, so wereally had a little global
podcast today, right?
Thank you very much and happysimulating.
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