February 17, 2024 • 37 mins
Have you ever wondered if true transformation is possible, especially when life hurls its worst at you? Shawn "Moose" Rubado stands as a living testament to this profound change, sharing his journey from a childhood overshadowed by substance abuse to a life filled with purpose and faith. As a former youth minister and worship leader who has faced his own inner turmoil, Moose's candid retelling of his past, complete with its struggles and the epiphanies that have shaped him, brings both authenticity and hope to our conversation. His testimony, rich with the experiences of stumbling, falling, and then finding the strength to rise again, is not just a personal narrative but an emblem of encouragement for anyone at the crossroads of life and seeking direction.
In our heart-to-heart with Moose, we navigate the rough terrains of suffering and discover the pearls of wisdom hidden within. The Apostle Paul's trials and the steadfast endurance of Job offer a backdrop as we examine the importance of relying on a power beyond our own and the unexpected beauty that can emerge from life's adversities. Moose's story, interwoven with moments of vulnerability and the embrace of humility, illustrates how even our darkest chapters can lead to the most luminous paths of grace and healing. Join us for a profound exploration of how embracing our truths and surrendering to a higher calling can not only reshape our lives but also stitch together a community united in support and faith.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go .
Well, I've broken my string ofNathan's, so got a couple in
there.
My first few interviews wereall Nathan's, but today we're
going with a Sean not me, but mynew friend Sean.
How do you see I'm going tobring you in here?
How do you say your last name?
(00:22):
Ruba do, ruba do.
Okay, that's fun to say, by theway.
But, nobody probably knows thatthat's your name, because
everybody knows you as moose,which is very fun to say also.
So moose is my new friend.
(00:42):
I'd say we haven't known eachother too long, but we met at a
function and we've been, we'vetalked a little bit and so I'm
very excited to have you on thepodcast today.
I think everyone will see whytoday that you're on the podcast
as we kind of get into it.
But I'd actually like to startour conversation by bringing the
word of God in, just to kind ofguide us today.
(01:04):
So I'm going to read John,chapter one, versus 14 and 16,
to just kind of get our heartsmoving.
And it says the word becameflesh and dwelt among us and we
beheld his glory, the glory asof the only begotten of the
Father, full of grace and truth.
(01:25):
Of course that's talking aboutJesus being the word and he is
so full of grace and truth.
And then in verse 16 is as andof his fullness.
We have all received grace forgrace, which means grace upon
grace upon grace and neverending supply of grace.
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And I think your life has beena picture of a never ending
supply of grace.
But I'm going to let you kindof take it over?
And why don't you tell us howthe moose got loose?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
The funniest thing the moose got loose.
So I was named moose in thesixth grade and it's a great
little story.
I'll start off with how theyget, how they become the moose.
Right In sixth grade we'replaying a game and literally the
first day of school and I'm a Iwas a quiet, fat kid and I'm
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like I'm going to make friends.
So first recess we go out and Iget the ball and I run straight
toward people and I hit thefirst guy and he just flew.
I mean hits the ground, glassesfall off.
He gets up and goes you'renothing but a big moose.
I just ruined my chance.
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Like right off my first recess.
I go into class, teacher callsmy name and he and the kid goes
no, his name's moose.
And she did not even ask.
She just crossed out my nameand my name was moose and
everyone in the class called memoose from that point on.
So I've been a moose for a longtime.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So when did you start liking the name?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Actually I liked it.
The second I'm like out all theother things that people have
called me moose is actuallypretty cool.
You know, kids are not nice andso, hey, calling me a moose I
was like, hey, there's my alterego right there, I am the moose,
and so so where'd you, where'dyou grow up, where are you from,
and what did that look like?
(03:32):
I'm from Southern California,born in Huntington Beach, raised
in Riverside that's where I didmy junior high, high school.
Found God at like 24.
My home life wasn't wasn'tideal.
I didn't have that loving,nurturing mom.
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My mom was a drug addict, so Istarted drinking at 14.
By the age of 20, my liver wasmalfunctioning, so I switched to
smoking marijuana, which, youknow, I carried on up until like
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two years ago, where I smokedevery single day, 24 hours a day
, kept a hidden from everyone.
Came to God, though.
So my first encounter with Godwill start there.
First encounter with God.
I'm 24 years old.
God, you know, was in the army,got out of the army, was just
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kind of drifting along in life.
Got fired from a job for noreason.
I'm sitting in my bathroom andI'm an avid reader.
I read tons of books and I'mlike All right, god, I'm not
going to read another book,another magazine, nothing until
I finish the Bible, just goingto read it from start to finish.
(05:06):
You know some people saystarting the New Testament.
You know that's because theywant you to get all the warm and
fuzzy feeling Like I read likethe first three chapters of
Matthew and they're talkingabout the Old Testament.
So I'm like I don't even knowwhat the heck they're talking
about.
So I just went, I'm going startcovered cover and that started
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my journey with Christ rightthere.
So I didn't really give my lifeto Christ until about 10 months
ago is when I fully like I dovein the water I guess that's the
best way to put it Like I wouldput my foot in, put my foot out
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, do the hokey pokey, turnmyself around.
I was from 20, after I read theBible, was active in church,
was a youth minister, was aworship leader, but there were
so many hidden aspects of mylife that I just was a chameleon
(06:14):
.
So, whatever, if I'm at church,here's my church face, right,
oh you know.
But if I'm out with my homiesfrom the neighborhood, we'll
still have to.
You know, like there wasn't anyGod in it.
It was completely differentpeople.
And then I met this wonderfulwoman.
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I mean, she's a start.
That changed my life.
She's no longer my woman, butthat's because of the whole
transformation on.
You know, when you're good andyou're bad, meat right.
When the good finally takesover, you have to count for all
the bad, which is why your bookon grace was one of my final
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pieces in finishing where Godwanted me to be.
So I met her.
Prior to her I really didn'tcare about anything in life,
like I didn't care, I didn'tcare really about.
I cared about myself, my kids,like I love my kids
unconditionally, but I came froma woman who showed only
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conditional love and a fatherwho didn't really talk much up
until like two years prior tohim dying of cancer 10 years ago
, like that's when we becamebest friends and we started like
talking and being a fatherfigure and mentor and stuff.
So meet this wonderful woman.
(07:45):
Her whole family's in God andI'm going to church.
You know I go to church buteven when I first met her I
still had all the masks that Ikept with everybody.
Like I showed her the bestversion of myself, right, like,
but I kept a lot of thingshidden from her and just
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insecurities within myself, youknow, low self-esteem coming
from the upbringing that I didnot trusting.
Then I realized like, oh mygoodness, she's phenomenal.
And now I'm like, wow, how do Ideal with all the things I
haven't told her for the lastyear?
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And I had right.
And then God is all of a sudden, you know she lets out the
emotional box.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So I'm having I think something got muted on your end
.
Let's double check that realquick.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Okay, I don't know why.
Yeah, so sorry about thateveryone.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So yeah.
So now I got a backtrack.
She opens up this emotional box.
I'd never felt unconditionallove, I never trusted anyone
until her, and now I got allthese emotions that I've never
dealt with because I suppressedfrom weed and alcohol and sex.
And so I got those, like I'mnot doing weed, sex or alcohol
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anymore.
And now I have all theseemotions because I want to be my
true, authentic self with her.
But I have all this baggagethat I'm bringing in.
So I was a mess really, youknow, because up until 18 months
ago I never felt guilt, I neverfelt shame, like if it was a
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negative emotion.
I just suppressed it, put it ina box, push it way down and
then smoked it away and madesure I didn't feel it or deal
with it or anything, and it wentaway.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I've never met anyone who's ever done that before.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Right, finally, all the darkness of just everything.
I go like my dog dies, whichtriggers me into like when my
dad died Cause in 2013, my dogdied, my dad died and my wife
divorced me all within sixmonths of each other.
(10:23):
So last year my dog dies andnow I'm an emotional guy and
here's my first trigger.
And then my ex-girlfriend plansa trip without me.
That triggers my ex-wife, andnow I got all the and then I
lost my job because I'm in themortgage industry and so I got
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all these things going on andit's just getting dark and I'm
like what is going on?
And then my ex-girlfriend,finally, it's like I can't,
we're in two different spots andI'm pressuring her to marry me
because I'm binge drinking onthe side, I'm trying to get
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attention everywhere and I'mlike, well, if she just marries
me, then all my problems will goaway.
Right, you know?
And turns out, if I just turnedto God, all my problems went
away.
So, and I was having strifewith my kids, my family, like it
was just she was the only piecein my storm, and then she left,
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and so, of course, you'recrying, you know, like, oh, my
God, now my one piece is gone,and that's when God comes to me
and is like all right, are youready to be real, like let's go
through all these sins that youjust didn't think I knew about.
(11:55):
And so we talked.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And you think that's gonna be a scary conversation.
But you realize that he's notdoing it to rub it in your face.
He's doing it to set you free.
Yes, right, because I've neverheard God yell at me or, with
disappointment in his eyes, saywow, I really expected more of
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you, right?
All that I've ever heard fromGod in those situations is love,
grace and mercy, or what about?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
you.
I would tell you that that,well, when I heard his voice it
was a little scary.
I ain't gonna lie Like I'm likeoh, okay, like I'm crying out
and he answers and I'm like, oh,and his first thing was are you
ready to be real with me?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And it was just love, grace and mercy, like I felt.
Like afterwards I feltinstantly like the start of the
transformation.
Right, because I've been sober,hadn't plugged in yet.
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But he's like you thought thatdoing all this, that I was gonna
bless you.
I was never gonna bless you.
While you were like that andit's true, like I just like
nothing ever came easy for me,but I was just mass my
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insecurities with overconfidenceand arrogance and I didn't feel
anything.
So I never felt fear.
So I was like I'll do it, let'sgo, I'll run through it.
Well, I don't care.
Oh well, this happened, don'tworry, I got it.
You know it was that I got it,not like God's got it right.
So God was like I just wantedto see how long you could go,
(13:59):
yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Let me know how that goes.
Let me know when you're done.
It seems like we've all beenthere.
It's even Paul.
You know Paul.
In 2 Corinthians, paul, at thevery beginning, chapters one,
two and three, he's like man, Iwas going through something that
hurt so bad.
He describes it and it reallymeant a lot to me with the
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suffering that I've gone throughin my life.
Paul says I have gone throughsomething that was above measure
, beyond strength, so that itdisparate even of life.
And those three descriptionsjust hit me so powerful, above
measure, like you could.
No one can know how deeply I'mhurting right now, because if
you tried to measure it, there'sno measuring tape that can go
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that deep.
And then above measure, beyondstrength, meaning there is
absolutely nothing I can do toget myself out of this.
I am here and it seems like I'mgonna be here forever, but
there's not.
I have to be rescued.
I can't rescue myself.
And then so I had to spare iteven of life.
And Paul says Paul, the greatapostle is like, yeah, I would
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have rather died.
Yeah, suicide was definitelytossed around.
He, whether it was actualsuicide or just like Lord, let
it end, I would rather die thango through this pain that I'm
going through, and we've beenthrough that.
But Paul says this and hiswhole point in bringing that up.
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He says so that I would stoptrusting in myself but instead
learn to trust in the God whoraises the dead.
You see, our own life.
We have to come to thisdeadness where we just resign
ourselves to that.
We have been on the cross withJesus.
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I'm gonna crucify my flesh myflesh was crucified with Christ
that type of like resignation.
And then new life is always aresurrection life.
The thing that is resurrectedhas to be dead first.
So the pain yes, it's painful.
It's so much pain that itactually is kind of like death.
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And as we die in this dying toself into the self sourced life
man, he rushes in withresurrection life, giving us
grace upon grace, like thatverse and John 1, 16 that we
read, just grace upon grace.
So tell me, what was that gracelike in your life?
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What did it feel like?
What kind of verses were usedto impact you and, relationally
with God, what did that?
What did that mean?
You've already talked about alittle bit, but go deeper on
that for me.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah.
So that whole rush in, I don'tknow how fast he was rushing.
He was kind of like, yeah, youneed to feel this one.
So you know, the verse that Istuck to the most was Isaiah 40,
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31,.
Right, that's kind of like mygo to.
You know, actually, I guess thebackup it would have been more
like 40, 28.
Have you not known?
Have you not heard?
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The Lord is the everlasting God, the creator of the ends of the
earth.
He does not faint or grow weary.
His understanding isunsearchable.
He gives power to the faint andto him who has no might, he
increases strength.
Even you shall faint and beweary, and young men shall fall
exhausted, but they who wait forthe Lord shall renew their
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strength.
They shall mount up with wingslike eagles.
They shall run and not be weary.
They shall walk and not befaint.
So you know, that's one of them.
I always go to good oldPhilippians.
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The one that, yeah, the one thatmy pastor always says we always
say it wrong.
He's always the misquoted versein the Bible.
I'm like, I know, but it's agood one.
So you know.
And yeah, 413, where you know Icould do all things through
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Christ, who strengthens me,right.
But you know, philippians 412,the.
I know how to be brought lowand I know how to abound in any
and every circumstances.
I've learned the secret offacing plenty and hunger,
abundance and need.
I can do all things throughChrist, who strengthens me.
You know, that's one of theones that I always just say to
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myself John first.
John 419, we love because hefirst loved us, right, like
where did I get my love from?
And I use that one.
And then another one that Ilove to do is Isaiah 4110, fear
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not, for I am with you, be notdismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you, I willhelp you, I will uphold you with
my righteous right hand.
And those were the verses and Ikeep them like in my phone.
I literally read them every daybecause truthfully, I would not
like.
My whole mission which is whyI'm speaking to like 11th and
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12th graders as a youth leaderis to try to help people to
never have to go through.
I know why Paul wrote waswriting for what he wrote
because the last eight months ofmy life I would wish for nobody
like that, refined by fire.
That's no joke, it's.
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Yeah, you feel grace but to getto the grace you gotta burn off
that old self, you gotta burnthrough, you have to atone for
your sins.
You know I lost the single mostimportant thing to me but I
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gained an immense blessing.
Like I lost something which Iknow that the Lord, like Job,
you know, like I'm hoping thatI'm a Job 2.0.
Right, like he's just gonnagive it all back to me Because
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the blessings that have happened, now that I'm transparent, I've
confessed my sins to everyone,I am my authentic self.
I love myself down to my corebeing.
I am who God made me to be andI hear the blessings from other
people because of who I am rightnow.
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Right, and that's when thegrace, when I felt grace and
then read your book and reallylike embrace the grace, right,
because you got years of oldself, that you feel guilty and
shame and you know, you knowwhat you did cost you a lot and
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yet it's just by the grace ofGod and you start thinking about
your but I have salvation.
And look at all the otherpeople that I'm now leading to
Christ.
You know Hearing things likeSean, if it wasn't for you, you
saved my life, my family.
Like if everything didn'thappen the way it did, I
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wouldn't be a church everysingle Sunday, like I am now,
and go into men's group.
And you know and it wasn't justone person who said that and I
go to church and the men'spastor is like, yeah, I calls,
like gets my email.
I don't even know I get gets myemail.
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And he's like, yeah, everyone'sbeen talking about you.
I got to, I got, you know Ineed to sit down and meet you
and talk to you.
And you're like I've been inthe church for nine years and no
one reached out and saidanything to me.
Right, like you know, youstarted hearing that because now
you're walking with God andGod's blessing me.
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He restored my children and ourrelationships.
Where my daughter called me dadfor the first time in like five
years.
Like when she said that thefirst time, I didn't even
recognize it.
I was like, oh wait, you'retalking to me.
Like I haven't heard that fromyou in like forever, like you
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know.
So there's so many blessings.
And then going through your book, just on grace and the Old
Testament and law, and Irealized like I was beating
myself up still about my sinsthat I committed, instead of
realizing like God forgave mefor all those.
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Jesus died on the cross, forevery single one of them, and I
confessed and I did everythingthat God asked me to do and now
I'm just there to go spreadgrace and tell everyone about
how wonderful grace is and it'sthe same for everyone.
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And that's another great pointin your book that I love.
Like grace is the same foreveryone.
If you're a murderer, guesswhat?
And you give your life toChrist, that's covered in grace.
Paul was a murderer.
Paul before you know.
He was a Pharisee and used tocondemn Christians before God
got ahold of them right, like alot of people forget.
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Like the guy that wrote whatthree quarters of the New
Testament was a murder.
Like killed Christians, youknow.
And so it really justfundamentally changed my view
and helped me and I know this isweird, but really regained my
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masculinity and God Like to knowthat I am a man, that God
speaks to me and as a man, I'msupposed to be controlled,
steadfast which, as an emotionalwreck I was, I realized like,
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oh you know, god kind of had atalk with me, like, okay, I
understand I was speaking God toyou and you didn't understand.
So let me dumb it down for youI'm not gonna.
Steadfast means you controlyourself and you stay within my
peace and my joy and myhappiness because of the grace
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that I've given you.
I forgive you already, but youneed to be a good example going
out and to do that you must bebold and brave and secure and
emotionally stable, becausepeople are gonna say things and
you're not gonna like them andyou have everything in control.
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And it was really like the finalpiece was just going through
your book and the bullet pointsthat you put in there and going
back and reading them and reallycontemplating like I guess I
shortchanged grace prior to yourbook it's the best way I could
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put it in moose terms Like Ijust shortchanged grace, like I
didn't realize how vast and howbig.
And that was the whole reasonwhy.
You know they talk aboutforgive your sins.
Right, like Christ died toforgive your sins.
Where, reading your book, abetter analogy for it is Christ
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died so you can have the graceof God upon you, and it's more
how I now see it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, you mentioned responding, you know, just
having a steady steadiness, andso I made this video for my
ministry and it's been out onFacebook and stuff and so I get
some weird comments every oncein a while and just to show you,
I still like.
You know, I was like, oh what?
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So this guy commented becauseit's like connect with simple
grace or whatever.
And he commented he's like youshould connect with a shaver.
And I was like, oh man, come on, why do you gotta be like that?
But it reminds me of the versein Hebrews 13, 9 that says it is
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good for the heart to beestablished by grace.
You know, so many times ourheart can be up and down and so
many Christians would describethat as their experience
spiritually is up.
You know, when I'm performinggood, I have an up and then when
I'm not doing so great, myemotions follow and I'm down and
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up and down and up and down.
Well, when you learn aboutgrace and you learn about the
new covenant, it just it setsyou free by establishing your
heart, to keep you from gettingtoo high, because it emphasizes
humility and the importance ofhumility and acknowledging that
you still need God, even ifthere's good things in your life
so you don't get too high, andthen you don't get too low
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either, because God's grace isthere to just pick you up and
remind you of your forgivenessand also the deliverance that we
had, the sanctification andtransformation power working
inside us, his Holy Spirit.
So always good to have theheart established by grace helps
our emotions to have moresteadiness, like you were
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describing, and when you're, andthat's the pride, right?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
The pride is what I'm doing, it right.
The highs and lows I found weremore my pride in it when I
realized God is the provider ofall things.
It's not me, yeah, it's not me.
Now my free will will obviously, like, put God in spots where
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he's not thrilled, right, likefor 24 years after I confessed
to him and you know, you sayyou're this Christian and you're
doing all these things.
He wasn't gonna bless me, likeit.
Just, you're not walking on thenarrow path, you're making your
own path and I'm just gonnamake it like the rough in golf.
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So feel free to go find thatgolf ball, but you are never
gonna find it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
I like the picture of grace islike a waterfall.
God is so full of grace andactually that's like the verse
we read Jesus is full of graceand he has every intention of
just providing grace to us, ourwhole lives, everything we need.
He's promised to give us.
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But we have the option ofstanding under that waterfall in
humility and saying, yes, giveit to me.
I wanna do your will, I wannabe used by you, I need you.
But then when we go into therough, when we go on our own
path, we're removing ourselvesout of where the blessing is
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right.
And so God's heart for us neverchanges.
His plan for us never changes.
He's not upset with us.
But we are experiencing maybe afamine type experience, not the
blessings that we know kind ofin our heart that belong to us.
It's like, wait a minute, I'myour son, I'm supposed to have
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the blessing here, but yet ifwe're walking after the flesh,
walking in our own sufficiency,we're just not going to
experience it.
Because he says I give grace tothe humble, but I oppose the
proud.
So it's that humility piecethat really kind of can trip us
up.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Oh, definitely.
That's the whole reason thatthe house of cards came falling
down.
It's because I was walking inthat rough thinking it was me
and God had told me he'd beenasking me to come follow him for
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24 years.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Inviting you yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And he knew that there was finally one.
There was one thing in my lifethat he knew would that would
lead me to him, and when he tookit away, if she doesn't come in
my life.
And now, mind you, and I got toadd this low back story because
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this is really how God worksand it's kind of crazy.
So we both had a best friendand her name was Rachel and
eight years ago, god, god, tellsme like you need to reach out
to this girl, mind you, me andher in high school.
This girl, I knew her sincehigh school.
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I, we did not like each other,we were not friends.
We, she was popular, I waspopular, but we both had
attitude and our attitudesdidn't like each other's
attitudes.
Like I wrote something soterrible in her face in like her
yearbook.
It was like, when can I get myturn?
Which is that's how I signedher yearbook?
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Like because I just did notcare.
So we graduate had never didn'ttalk to her 20, some odd years.
God's like you need to reachout to her.
I'm like, god, that's a badidea.
Like I haven't talked to her.
Like I'm not reaching out toher.
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God's like, yes, you are.
I'm like, no, I'm not.
And so it was like a month ofme saying no, I gave grace that
God gave me a month and thenfinally, it's literally like I
was sitting down right here andit was just in my head so much
he was just in my head.
I couldn't work, I couldn'tmove, I couldn't do anything, I
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was just stuck.
And I finally send out thisFacebook message to her and I'm
like look, hi, rachel, you'regoing to think I'm crazy, and I
think I'm kind of crazy rightnow too, but God wants you to
hear this.
And I wrote down justeverything that God put.
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Well, she happened to be in anabusive relationship, was like
at the low of her lows and likeready to give up on life.
And she responds back.
I'm bawling, you know.
So mean her become best friends.
Well, three years ago, a mutualwe're on Facebook me, my
(34:14):
ex-girlfriend and Rachel and myex-girlfriend we're on like this
guy's talking about single moms, and I just kind of pipe in
like, well, what about a singledad's?
Because I have 100% custody ofmy sons?
And so you know, I'm everything, I'm dad, mom.
I do dishes, laundry, likeclean the house, like go provide
(34:36):
, make you know, I do it all tooLike a single dad's.
We got to we're tough out here,and so my ex-girlfriend hearted
it.
And then my best friend Rachelgoes oh, Chelsea's flirting with
you.
I'm like she's not flirtingwith you, she's all watch, put
right anything else.
And I bet she hearts it.
And so I write something elseand Chelsea hearts it.
(34:59):
And that's how me, that's howme and Chelsea met was.
If it wasn't for me listeningto God to talk to Rachel and
Rachel and Chelsea were best,lifelong best friends, then I
would have never met Chelsea andmy life wouldn't be my life.
That it is right now, becauseChelsea is the one that chain
(35:24):
that made me open up my ears toGod and, by losing her, give my
whole life to God, because Iknew I wasn't living the right
way.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's a neat story, that's a
neat story.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Right, Like I mean, you can't even write a Hollywood
script like that one rightthere.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Awesome.
Well, you're, you're now amortgage broker, you're being
used by God and and you're,you're spreading God's grace.
So thank you so much for beingmy guest on the podcast.
I think this was a reallypowerful episode.
I think it's going to be used alot.
(36:14):
So if anyone wants to get incontact with you, is there any
way that we could do that?
What?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
do you think?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I'm like you put my name on Google, my name's
everywhere, like I'm first pageon everything.
So yeah, sean, sean, shahwnrub,aduecom.
Or if you type in the mortgagemoves on Google first page.
(36:44):
Ok, Feel free to reach out ifyou have any questions.
I know it's all over the place,but that you know.
You guys just got my whole, mywhole walk with the Lord here in
.
You know, 48 years and 36minutes.
I think that's pretty good,right there.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Hey, we got.
We got our money's worth.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Right, awesome, you let me on the podcast.
Sean I, if you guys haven'tbought his book, I'm telling you
simple grace, like I'm sendingit out to everybody.
It's seriously like a profoundversion of grace that will get
you thinking and it will.
(37:26):
It will change you.
I mean, it's impossible forthat, for you not to get a
nugget out of it.
It's impossible for you not tocome away with a better
understanding of grace and whatgrace means to your life.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Ah, man, those are kind words.
I'm humbled.
So thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
All right, we're going to wrapit up here.
Thank you so much, everybodyfor joining us.
Your loved and God has is fullof grace for you.
Always remember that We'll seeyou next time.
All right, here we go .
Well, I've broken my string ofNathan's, so got a couple in
there.
My first few interviews wereall Nathan's, but today we're
going with a Sean not me, but mynew friend Sean.
How do you see I'm going tobring you in here?
How do you say your last name?
(00:22):
Ruba do, ruba do.
Okay, that's fun to say, by theway.
But, nobody probably knows thatthat's your name, because
everybody knows you as moose,which is very fun to say also.
So moose is my new friend.
(00:42):
I'd say we haven't known eachother too long, but we met at a
function and we've been, we'vetalked a little bit and so I'm
very excited to have you on thepodcast today.
I think everyone will see whytoday that you're on the podcast
as we kind of get into it.
But I'd actually like to startour conversation by bringing the
word of God in, just to kind ofguide us today.
(01:04):
So I'm going to read John,chapter one, versus 14 and 16,
to just kind of get our heartsmoving.
And it says the word becameflesh and dwelt among us and we
beheld his glory, the glory asof the only begotten of the
Father, full of grace and truth.
(01:25):
Of course that's talking aboutJesus being the word and he is
so full of grace and truth.
And then in verse 16 is as andof his fullness.
We have all received grace forgrace, which means grace upon
grace upon grace and neverending supply of grace.
(01:46):
And I think your life has beena picture of a never ending
supply of grace.
But I'm going to let you kindof take it over?
And why don't you tell us howthe moose got loose?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
The funniest thing the moose got loose.
So I was named moose in thesixth grade and it's a great
little story.
I'll start off with how theyget, how they become the moose.
Right In sixth grade we'replaying a game and literally the
first day of school and I'm a Iwas a quiet, fat kid and I'm
(02:24):
like I'm going to make friends.
So first recess we go out and Iget the ball and I run straight
toward people and I hit thefirst guy and he just flew.
I mean hits the ground, glassesfall off.
He gets up and goes you'renothing but a big moose.
I just ruined my chance.
(02:47):
Like right off my first recess.
I go into class, teacher callsmy name and he and the kid goes
no, his name's moose.
And she did not even ask.
She just crossed out my nameand my name was moose and
everyone in the class called memoose from that point on.
So I've been a moose for a longtime.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So when did you start liking the name?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Actually I liked it.
The second I'm like out all theother things that people have
called me moose is actuallypretty cool.
You know, kids are not nice andso, hey, calling me a moose I
was like, hey, there's my alterego right there, I am the moose,
and so so where'd you, where'dyou grow up, where are you from,
and what did that look like?
(03:32):
I'm from Southern California,born in Huntington Beach, raised
in Riverside that's where I didmy junior high, high school.
Found God at like 24.
My home life wasn't wasn'tideal.
I didn't have that loving,nurturing mom.
(03:55):
My mom was a drug addict, so Istarted drinking at 14.
By the age of 20, my liver wasmalfunctioning, so I switched to
smoking marijuana, which, youknow, I carried on up until like
(04:18):
two years ago, where I smokedevery single day, 24 hours a day
, kept a hidden from everyone.
Came to God, though.
So my first encounter with Godwill start there.
First encounter with God.
I'm 24 years old.
God, you know, was in the army,got out of the army, was just
(04:44):
kind of drifting along in life.
Got fired from a job for noreason.
I'm sitting in my bathroom andI'm an avid reader.
I read tons of books and I'mlike All right, god, I'm not
going to read another book,another magazine, nothing until
I finish the Bible, just goingto read it from start to finish.
(05:06):
You know some people saystarting the New Testament.
You know that's because theywant you to get all the warm and
fuzzy feeling Like I read likethe first three chapters of
Matthew and they're talkingabout the Old Testament.
So I'm like I don't even knowwhat the heck they're talking
about.
So I just went, I'm going startcovered cover and that started
(05:30):
my journey with Christ rightthere.
So I didn't really give my lifeto Christ until about 10 months
ago is when I fully like I dovein the water I guess that's the
best way to put it Like I wouldput my foot in, put my foot out
(05:53):
, do the hokey pokey, turnmyself around.
I was from 20, after I read theBible, was active in church,
was a youth minister, was aworship leader, but there were
so many hidden aspects of mylife that I just was a chameleon
(06:14):
.
So, whatever, if I'm at church,here's my church face, right,
oh you know.
But if I'm out with my homiesfrom the neighborhood, we'll
still have to.
You know, like there wasn't anyGod in it.
It was completely differentpeople.
And then I met this wonderfulwoman.
(06:38):
I mean, she's a start.
That changed my life.
She's no longer my woman, butthat's because of the whole
transformation on.
You know, when you're good andyou're bad, meat right.
When the good finally takesover, you have to count for all
the bad, which is why your bookon grace was one of my final
(07:00):
pieces in finishing where Godwanted me to be.
So I met her.
Prior to her I really didn'tcare about anything in life,
like I didn't care, I didn'tcare really about.
I cared about myself, my kids,like I love my kids
unconditionally, but I came froma woman who showed only
(07:22):
conditional love and a fatherwho didn't really talk much up
until like two years prior tohim dying of cancer 10 years ago
, like that's when we becamebest friends and we started like
talking and being a fatherfigure and mentor and stuff.
So meet this wonderful woman.
(07:45):
Her whole family's in God andI'm going to church.
You know I go to church buteven when I first met her I
still had all the masks that Ikept with everybody.
Like I showed her the bestversion of myself, right, like,
but I kept a lot of thingshidden from her and just
(08:05):
insecurities within myself, youknow, low self-esteem coming
from the upbringing that I didnot trusting.
Then I realized like, oh mygoodness, she's phenomenal.
And now I'm like, wow, how do Ideal with all the things I
haven't told her for the lastyear?
(08:25):
And I had right.
And then God is all of a sudden, you know she lets out the
emotional box.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So I'm having I think something got muted on your end
.
Let's double check that realquick.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Okay, I don't know why.
Yeah, so sorry about thateveryone.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So yeah.
So now I got a backtrack.
She opens up this emotional box.
I'd never felt unconditionallove, I never trusted anyone
until her, and now I got allthese emotions that I've never
dealt with because I suppressedfrom weed and alcohol and sex.
And so I got those, like I'mnot doing weed, sex or alcohol
(09:23):
anymore.
And now I have all theseemotions because I want to be my
true, authentic self with her.
But I have all this baggagethat I'm bringing in.
So I was a mess really, youknow, because up until 18 months
ago I never felt guilt, I neverfelt shame, like if it was a
(09:47):
negative emotion.
I just suppressed it, put it ina box, push it way down and
then smoked it away and madesure I didn't feel it or deal
with it or anything, and it wentaway.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I've never met anyone who's ever done that before.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Right, finally, all the darkness of just everything.
I go like my dog dies, whichtriggers me into like when my
dad died Cause in 2013, my dogdied, my dad died and my wife
divorced me all within sixmonths of each other.
(10:23):
So last year my dog dies andnow I'm an emotional guy and
here's my first trigger.
And then my ex-girlfriend plansa trip without me.
That triggers my ex-wife, andnow I got all the and then I
lost my job because I'm in themortgage industry and so I got
(10:45):
all these things going on andit's just getting dark and I'm
like what is going on?
And then my ex-girlfriend,finally, it's like I can't,
we're in two different spots andI'm pressuring her to marry me
because I'm binge drinking onthe side, I'm trying to get
(11:09):
attention everywhere and I'mlike, well, if she just marries
me, then all my problems will goaway.
Right, you know?
And turns out, if I just turnedto God, all my problems went
away.
So, and I was having strifewith my kids, my family, like it
was just she was the only piecein my storm, and then she left,
(11:34):
and so, of course, you'recrying, you know, like, oh, my
God, now my one piece is gone,and that's when God comes to me
and is like all right, are youready to be real, like let's go
through all these sins that youjust didn't think I knew about.
(11:55):
And so we talked.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And you think that's gonna be a scary conversation.
But you realize that he's notdoing it to rub it in your face.
He's doing it to set you free.
Yes, right, because I've neverheard God yell at me or, with
disappointment in his eyes, saywow, I really expected more of
(12:25):
you, right?
All that I've ever heard fromGod in those situations is love,
grace and mercy, or what about?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
you.
I would tell you that that,well, when I heard his voice it
was a little scary.
I ain't gonna lie Like I'm likeoh, okay, like I'm crying out
and he answers and I'm like, oh,and his first thing was are you
ready to be real with me?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And it was just love, grace and mercy, like I felt.
Like afterwards I feltinstantly like the start of the
transformation.
Right, because I've been sober,hadn't plugged in yet.
(13:18):
But he's like you thought thatdoing all this, that I was gonna
bless you.
I was never gonna bless you.
While you were like that andit's true, like I just like
nothing ever came easy for me,but I was just mass my
(13:38):
insecurities with overconfidenceand arrogance and I didn't feel
anything.
So I never felt fear.
So I was like I'll do it, let'sgo, I'll run through it.
Well, I don't care.
Oh well, this happened, don'tworry, I got it.
You know it was that I got it,not like God's got it right.
So God was like I just wantedto see how long you could go,
(13:59):
yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Let me know how that goes.
Let me know when you're done.
It seems like we've all beenthere.
It's even Paul.
You know Paul.
In 2 Corinthians, paul, at thevery beginning, chapters one,
two and three, he's like man, Iwas going through something that
hurt so bad.
He describes it and it reallymeant a lot to me with the
(14:23):
suffering that I've gone throughin my life.
Paul says I have gone throughsomething that was above measure
, beyond strength, so that itdisparate even of life.
And those three descriptionsjust hit me so powerful, above
measure, like you could.
No one can know how deeply I'mhurting right now, because if
you tried to measure it, there'sno measuring tape that can go
(14:44):
that deep.
And then above measure, beyondstrength, meaning there is
absolutely nothing I can do toget myself out of this.
I am here and it seems like I'mgonna be here forever, but
there's not.
I have to be rescued.
I can't rescue myself.
And then so I had to spare iteven of life.
And Paul says Paul, the greatapostle is like, yeah, I would
(15:08):
have rather died.
Yeah, suicide was definitelytossed around.
He, whether it was actualsuicide or just like Lord, let
it end, I would rather die thango through this pain that I'm
going through, and we've beenthrough that.
But Paul says this and hiswhole point in bringing that up.
(15:28):
He says so that I would stoptrusting in myself but instead
learn to trust in the God whoraises the dead.
You see, our own life.
We have to come to thisdeadness where we just resign
ourselves to that.
We have been on the cross withJesus.
(15:48):
I'm gonna crucify my flesh myflesh was crucified with Christ
that type of like resignation.
And then new life is always aresurrection life.
The thing that is resurrectedhas to be dead first.
So the pain yes, it's painful.
It's so much pain that itactually is kind of like death.
(16:12):
And as we die in this dying toself into the self sourced life
man, he rushes in withresurrection life, giving us
grace upon grace, like thatverse and John 1, 16 that we
read, just grace upon grace.
So tell me, what was that gracelike in your life?
(16:38):
What did it feel like?
What kind of verses were usedto impact you and, relationally
with God, what did that?
What did that mean?
You've already talked about alittle bit, but go deeper on
that for me.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah.
So that whole rush in, I don'tknow how fast he was rushing.
He was kind of like, yeah, youneed to feel this one.
So you know, the verse that Istuck to the most was Isaiah 40,
(17:15):
31,.
Right, that's kind of like mygo to.
You know, actually, I guess thebackup it would have been more
like 40, 28.
Have you not known?
Have you not heard?
(17:36):
The Lord is the everlasting God, the creator of the ends of the
earth.
He does not faint or grow weary.
His understanding isunsearchable.
He gives power to the faint andto him who has no might, he
increases strength.
Even you shall faint and beweary, and young men shall fall
exhausted, but they who wait forthe Lord shall renew their
(17:57):
strength.
They shall mount up with wingslike eagles.
They shall run and not be weary.
They shall walk and not befaint.
So you know, that's one of them.
I always go to good oldPhilippians.
(18:19):
The one that, yeah, the one thatmy pastor always says we always
say it wrong.
He's always the misquoted versein the Bible.
I'm like, I know, but it's agood one.
So you know.
And yeah, 413, where you know Icould do all things through
(18:45):
Christ, who strengthens me,right.
But you know, philippians 412,the.
I know how to be brought lowand I know how to abound in any
and every circumstances.
I've learned the secret offacing plenty and hunger,
abundance and need.
I can do all things throughChrist, who strengthens me.
You know, that's one of theones that I always just say to
(19:15):
myself John first.
John 419, we love because hefirst loved us, right, like
where did I get my love from?
And I use that one.
And then another one that Ilove to do is Isaiah 4110, fear
(19:43):
not, for I am with you, be notdismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you, I willhelp you, I will uphold you with
my righteous right hand.
And those were the verses and Ikeep them like in my phone.
I literally read them every daybecause truthfully, I would not
like.
My whole mission which is whyI'm speaking to like 11th and
(20:06):
12th graders as a youth leaderis to try to help people to
never have to go through.
I know why Paul wrote waswriting for what he wrote
because the last eight months ofmy life I would wish for nobody
like that, refined by fire.
That's no joke, it's.
(20:28):
Yeah, you feel grace but to getto the grace you gotta burn off
that old self, you gotta burnthrough, you have to atone for
your sins.
You know I lost the single mostimportant thing to me but I
(20:49):
gained an immense blessing.
Like I lost something which Iknow that the Lord, like Job,
you know, like I'm hoping thatI'm a Job 2.0.
Right, like he's just gonnagive it all back to me Because
(21:12):
the blessings that have happened, now that I'm transparent, I've
confessed my sins to everyone,I am my authentic self.
I love myself down to my corebeing.
I am who God made me to be andI hear the blessings from other
people because of who I am rightnow.
(21:33):
Right, and that's when thegrace, when I felt grace and
then read your book and reallylike embrace the grace, right,
because you got years of oldself, that you feel guilty and
shame and you know, you knowwhat you did cost you a lot and
(22:00):
yet it's just by the grace ofGod and you start thinking about
your but I have salvation.
And look at all the otherpeople that I'm now leading to
Christ.
You know Hearing things likeSean, if it wasn't for you, you
saved my life, my family.
Like if everything didn'thappen the way it did, I
(22:25):
wouldn't be a church everysingle Sunday, like I am now,
and go into men's group.
And you know and it wasn't justone person who said that and I
go to church and the men'spastor is like, yeah, I calls,
like gets my email.
I don't even know I get gets myemail.
(22:46):
And he's like, yeah, everyone'sbeen talking about you.
I got to, I got, you know Ineed to sit down and meet you
and talk to you.
And you're like I've been inthe church for nine years and no
one reached out and saidanything to me.
Right, like you know, youstarted hearing that because now
you're walking with God andGod's blessing me.
(23:08):
He restored my children and ourrelationships.
Where my daughter called me dadfor the first time in like five
years.
Like when she said that thefirst time, I didn't even
recognize it.
I was like, oh wait, you'retalking to me.
Like I haven't heard that fromyou in like forever, like you
(23:29):
know.
So there's so many blessings.
And then going through your book, just on grace and the Old
Testament and law, and Irealized like I was beating
myself up still about my sinsthat I committed, instead of
realizing like God forgave mefor all those.
(23:51):
Jesus died on the cross, forevery single one of them, and I
confessed and I did everythingthat God asked me to do and now
I'm just there to go spreadgrace and tell everyone about
how wonderful grace is and it'sthe same for everyone.
(24:12):
And that's another great pointin your book that I love.
Like grace is the same foreveryone.
If you're a murderer, guesswhat?
And you give your life toChrist, that's covered in grace.
Paul was a murderer.
Paul before you know.
He was a Pharisee and used tocondemn Christians before God
got ahold of them right, like alot of people forget.
(24:33):
Like the guy that wrote whatthree quarters of the New
Testament was a murder.
Like killed Christians, youknow.
And so it really justfundamentally changed my view
and helped me and I know this isweird, but really regained my
(24:58):
masculinity and God Like to knowthat I am a man, that God
speaks to me and as a man, I'msupposed to be controlled,
steadfast which, as an emotionalwreck I was, I realized like,
(25:21):
oh you know, god kind of had atalk with me, like, okay, I
understand I was speaking God toyou and you didn't understand.
So let me dumb it down for youI'm not gonna.
Steadfast means you controlyourself and you stay within my
peace and my joy and myhappiness because of the grace
(25:41):
that I've given you.
I forgive you already, but youneed to be a good example going
out and to do that you must bebold and brave and secure and
emotionally stable, becausepeople are gonna say things and
you're not gonna like them andyou have everything in control.
(26:02):
And it was really like the finalpiece was just going through
your book and the bullet pointsthat you put in there and going
back and reading them and reallycontemplating like I guess I
shortchanged grace prior to yourbook it's the best way I could
(26:25):
put it in moose terms Like Ijust shortchanged grace, like I
didn't realize how vast and howbig.
And that was the whole reasonwhy.
You know they talk aboutforgive your sins.
Right, like Christ died toforgive your sins.
Where, reading your book, abetter analogy for it is Christ
(26:49):
died so you can have the graceof God upon you, and it's more
how I now see it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, you mentioned responding, you know, just
having a steady steadiness, andso I made this video for my
ministry and it's been out onFacebook and stuff and so I get
some weird comments every oncein a while and just to show you,
I still like.
You know, I was like, oh what?
(27:20):
So this guy commented becauseit's like connect with simple
grace or whatever.
And he commented he's like youshould connect with a shaver.
And I was like, oh man, come on, why do you gotta be like that?
But it reminds me of the versein Hebrews 13, 9 that says it is
(27:44):
good for the heart to beestablished by grace.
You know, so many times ourheart can be up and down and so
many Christians would describethat as their experience
spiritually is up.
You know, when I'm performinggood, I have an up and then when
I'm not doing so great, myemotions follow and I'm down and
(28:06):
up and down and up and down.
Well, when you learn aboutgrace and you learn about the
new covenant, it just it setsyou free by establishing your
heart, to keep you from gettingtoo high, because it emphasizes
humility and the importance ofhumility and acknowledging that
you still need God, even ifthere's good things in your life
so you don't get too high, andthen you don't get too low
(28:27):
either, because God's grace isthere to just pick you up and
remind you of your forgivenessand also the deliverance that we
had, the sanctification andtransformation power working
inside us, his Holy Spirit.
So always good to have theheart established by grace helps
our emotions to have moresteadiness, like you were
(28:49):
describing, and when you're, andthat's the pride, right?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
The pride is what I'm doing, it right.
The highs and lows I found weremore my pride in it when I
realized God is the provider ofall things.
It's not me, yeah, it's not me.
Now my free will will obviously, like, put God in spots where
(29:23):
he's not thrilled, right, likefor 24 years after I confessed
to him and you know, you sayyou're this Christian and you're
doing all these things.
He wasn't gonna bless me, likeit.
Just, you're not walking on thenarrow path, you're making your
own path and I'm just gonnamake it like the rough in golf.
(29:47):
So feel free to go find thatgolf ball, but you are never
gonna find it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
I like the picture of grace islike a waterfall.
God is so full of grace andactually that's like the verse
we read Jesus is full of graceand he has every intention of
just providing grace to us, ourwhole lives, everything we need.
He's promised to give us.
(30:14):
But we have the option ofstanding under that waterfall in
humility and saying, yes, giveit to me.
I wanna do your will, I wannabe used by you, I need you.
But then when we go into therough, when we go on our own
path, we're removing ourselvesout of where the blessing is
(30:35):
right.
And so God's heart for us neverchanges.
His plan for us never changes.
He's not upset with us.
But we are experiencing maybe afamine type experience, not the
blessings that we know kind ofin our heart that belong to us.
It's like, wait a minute, I'myour son, I'm supposed to have
(30:57):
the blessing here, but yet ifwe're walking after the flesh,
walking in our own sufficiency,we're just not going to
experience it.
Because he says I give grace tothe humble, but I oppose the
proud.
So it's that humility piecethat really kind of can trip us
up.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Oh, definitely.
That's the whole reason thatthe house of cards came falling
down.
It's because I was walking inthat rough thinking it was me
and God had told me he'd beenasking me to come follow him for
(31:36):
24 years.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Inviting you yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And he knew that there was finally one.
There was one thing in my lifethat he knew would that would
lead me to him, and when he tookit away, if she doesn't come in
my life.
And now, mind you, and I got toadd this low back story because
(32:04):
this is really how God worksand it's kind of crazy.
So we both had a best friendand her name was Rachel and
eight years ago, god, god, tellsme like you need to reach out
to this girl, mind you, me andher in high school.
This girl, I knew her sincehigh school.
(32:25):
I, we did not like each other,we were not friends.
We, she was popular, I waspopular, but we both had
attitude and our attitudesdidn't like each other's
attitudes.
Like I wrote something soterrible in her face in like her
yearbook.
It was like, when can I get myturn?
Which is that's how I signedher yearbook?
(32:45):
Like because I just did notcare.
So we graduate had never didn'ttalk to her 20, some odd years.
God's like you need to reachout to her.
I'm like, god, that's a badidea.
Like I haven't talked to her.
Like I'm not reaching out toher.
(33:05):
God's like, yes, you are.
I'm like, no, I'm not.
And so it was like a month ofme saying no, I gave grace that
God gave me a month and thenfinally, it's literally like I
was sitting down right here andit was just in my head so much
he was just in my head.
I couldn't work, I couldn'tmove, I couldn't do anything, I
(33:25):
was just stuck.
And I finally send out thisFacebook message to her and I'm
like look, hi, rachel, you'regoing to think I'm crazy, and I
think I'm kind of crazy rightnow too, but God wants you to
hear this.
And I wrote down justeverything that God put.
(33:46):
Well, she happened to be in anabusive relationship, was like
at the low of her lows and likeready to give up on life.
And she responds back.
I'm bawling, you know.
So mean her become best friends.
Well, three years ago, a mutualwe're on Facebook me, my
(34:14):
ex-girlfriend and Rachel and myex-girlfriend we're on like this
guy's talking about single moms, and I just kind of pipe in
like, well, what about a singledad's?
Because I have 100% custody ofmy sons?
And so you know, I'm everything, I'm dad, mom.
I do dishes, laundry, likeclean the house, like go provide
(34:36):
, make you know, I do it all tooLike a single dad's.
We got to we're tough out here,and so my ex-girlfriend hearted
it.
And then my best friend Rachelgoes oh, Chelsea's flirting with
you.
I'm like she's not flirtingwith you, she's all watch, put
right anything else.
And I bet she hearts it.
And so I write something elseand Chelsea hearts it.
(34:59):
And that's how me, that's howme and Chelsea met was.
If it wasn't for me listeningto God to talk to Rachel and
Rachel and Chelsea were best,lifelong best friends, then I
would have never met Chelsea andmy life wouldn't be my life.
That it is right now, becauseChelsea is the one that chain
(35:24):
that made me open up my ears toGod and, by losing her, give my
whole life to God, because Iknew I wasn't living the right
way.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's a neat story, that's a
neat story.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Right, Like I mean, you can't even write a Hollywood
script like that one rightthere.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Awesome.
Well, you're, you're now amortgage broker, you're being
used by God and and you're,you're spreading God's grace.
So thank you so much for beingmy guest on the podcast.
I think this was a reallypowerful episode.
I think it's going to be used alot.
(36:14):
So if anyone wants to get incontact with you, is there any
way that we could do that?
What?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
do you think?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I'm like you put my name on Google, my name's
everywhere, like I'm first pageon everything.
So yeah, sean, sean, shahwnrub,aduecom.
Or if you type in the mortgagemoves on Google first page.
(36:44):
Ok, Feel free to reach out ifyou have any questions.
I know it's all over the place,but that you know.
You guys just got my whole, mywhole walk with the Lord here in
.
You know, 48 years and 36minutes.
I think that's pretty good,right there.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Hey, we got.
We got our money's worth.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Right, awesome, you let me on the podcast.
Sean I, if you guys haven'tbought his book, I'm telling you
simple grace, like I'm sendingit out to everybody.
It's seriously like a profoundversion of grace that will get
you thinking and it will.
(37:26):
It will change you.
I mean, it's impossible forthat, for you not to get a
nugget out of it.
It's impossible for you not tocome away with a better
understanding of grace and whatgrace means to your life.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Ah, man, those are kind words.
I'm humbled.
So thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
All right, we're going to wrapit up here.
Thank you so much, everybodyfor joining us.
Your loved and God has is fullof grace for you.
Always remember that We'll seeyou next time.
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