November 18, 2024 • 32 mins
What if you could find peace and purpose after facing life's toughest challenges? Join us in this episode as we uncover the inspiring journey of Gage, a passionate advocate for autism awareness who transformed his early struggles into a powerful voice for change. Diagnosed with autism at age five, Gage didn't speak until then and found solace in building snack-box towers. His story is a testament to resilience and personal growth, taking us from a young boy in Pennsylvania to a determined advocate in Florida.
Gage opens up about confronting trauma and depression, particularly during the pandemic, a time that demanded introspection and healing. With the support of his older brother, who introduced him to meditation and personal growth practices, Gage navigated the challenges, learning patience and self-respect through his experiences at a diner. A pivotal move to Florida marked a new beginning, filled with optimism and the pursuit of his dreams. We explore how these experiences shaped Gage's journey towards becoming a motivational speaker, reigniting his passion through opportunities like the ICANN autism conference and Toastmasters.
Dive into the importance of spreading awareness and acceptance within the autism community through platforms like Gage's podcast, Autism Talk. By showcasing uplifting stories of individuals who overcome challenges without adopting a victim mindset, Gage aims to inspire and educate listeners. Be ready to hear heartfelt advice for parents of children with autism and encouraging words for adults diagnosed later in life. This episode is a celebration of potential, collaboration, and the power of sharing impactful stories that uplift and inspire.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to the SJ Child Show, where a little bit
of knowledge can turn fear intounderstanding.
Enjoy the show.
Hi, thanks for joining the SGChild Show.
(00:33):
I'm so excited today to catchup with Gage, and I was on his
podcast a couple of weeks agomaybe a month or so and so he
got to know me.
But it's time to flip thescript and get to know Gage and
find out more about him, and itwas a wonderful conversation
(00:55):
with you that time.
So thank you so much for beinghere.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's a pleasure to be here and thank you for asking
me to come on.
I'm really excited to talk alittle bit about autism and I
see where the discussion goes.
It usually flows in a differentway, so it goes all ways, but
it's always interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, and always learn so much from other
people's experiences, theiradvice, their lessons that
they've learned that they canshare.
So that's always nice when youhave things that you can take
away, plus the great connections, like you said, and
opportunities that can come fromyou know, getting to know or
(01:39):
other people listening to thepodcast for both of us, on both,
both end, because, um, as weget into this discussion, we're
going to talk about your ownshow that you created and, yeah,
it just goes up from there.
So, before we get intoeverything, um, exciting and
wonderful, give us theintroduction of gage and kind of
(02:03):
what brought you here today.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
No, what brought me here today?
It starts back when I was fiveyears old.
That's when I was diagnosedwith autism and I grew up
showing signs of autism early on.
Like I didn't talk until I wasfive, I would create boxes.
Against where the snacks were,I would create boxes and climb
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on them.
So I showed a lot of signsearly and, as far as podcasting
goes, I've been doing that forthe past five years.
I started in 2019.
So I was about 19 years old andand it just started.
It wasn't even about autismoriginally.
It was just about a tv show Ijust wanted to record and talk
about and see if where it went,and it went to football and then
(02:53):
it led to autism.
I got inspiration last year.
I um just had this superspiritual experience.
It came a couple months after Ihad a severe autism burnout and
I went to uh, I went to thisretreat, um that I spent a
couple months at and I just hadthis epiphany and a vision that
(03:16):
I wanted to bring more awarenessand more acceptance and to
build a bridge of the communityand it's not just me, but
everybody, you know.
I think it takes community andI felt a vision there with my
podcast.
I was like you know what I I'm,the past podcast didn't work
out.
You know they had some successbut I didn't feel connected to
(03:38):
it.
Um, but I can use that for mycommunity and for autism.
So so main goal, my podcast,which is called autism talk, is
to bring acceptance andawareness to the autism
community and, uh, I have guestslike you on and people that are
in the autism community couldbe parents, could be advocates,
um, and that's sort of sayingand it's been, it's been a
(04:01):
beautiful experience.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And it's been a beautiful experience.
I love that.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.
And only because I love birdsmore, I'm a crazy bird lady.
If that's what you think, tellus where you're at and what the
heck is that bird that's makingall that noise behind you.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, actually I'm not sure what's going on, but
there's like a, I guess ahelicopter in the background,
but um, but yeah, I'm in, uh, stpete, florida, and right now
I'm in my backyard.
There's, uh, the one thing I'mI don't like about here is the
sand.
I can't stand sand.
But uh, I love the palm trees,I love the weather for the most
(04:44):
part it gets a little warm outhere, but overall it's.
It's really nice here.
I moved down here about threeyears ago because I lived up
North majority of my life and Icame down here for more
opportunity because I felt likeI hit my wall when I came to up
North or where I came from inPennsylvania, near where the
civil war happened in Gettysburg, and I just I felt like I
(05:08):
wasn't growing and I wasstarting to go and kind of get a
little depressed.
So I was like you know, it'stime for a change and I moved to
my brother and we went toFlorida and ever since like it's
just been mind expanding andthere have been a lot of
connections.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I've made here, a lot of friends that became family
to me and these three years havebeen incredible kind of our,
our heart and not get out of ourhead, Like you said, you know,
(05:48):
kind of that depression andeverything that we can really
find and create peace andhappiness for ourselves.
And some people look andthey're like, oh, you're so
happy, like you're so luckybecause you have that or
whatever.
Oh boy, I worked hard for thishappiness.
You know it's not always gooddays there's.
(06:12):
You know you put your best footforward, like everybody has
kind of their own motto, if youwill or whatever.
But I think that just followingyour instincts and your heart,
like that, is so important.
So that's great that you didthat.
What was it like?
(06:32):
The community kind of growingup?
What kind of services were they, you know?
Did you feel they were good orcould they have used some, you
know, some work, or how do youfeel about that now, looking
back?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Definitely some work.
I, in their own way, I they didtry to help, but it actually
turned out to be worse than theywere originally intending.
That was mostly school.
That was mostly school.
Um, they would have us use jobsites because, uh, they were
trying to make us more, a littlebit more self-sufficient, but
(07:10):
it actually affected uslong-term wise.
Um, they would have us use jobsites like, uh, clean trash off
walmart and clean a laundromat,and it was, uh, it took a lot of
time off school.
So I'll be like I I'd be doingjobs like two to three days a
week and it took a lot of timeout of school and it just kind
(07:30):
of affected kids.
Kids knew that.
And not only that, but we alsocleaned the dust off tops of
locker rooms and the hallway, infront of everybody, and also in
the cafeteria, maybe duringmid-periods.
Not everyone would be there,but kids would ask questions and
it's kind of hard to avoidthose, especially when you're 13
(07:53):
, 14.
And then it caused a lot ofbullying and a lot of judgments
and it definitely hurt a lot and, personally speaking, it
affected my confidence and andeven against my own football
team.
You know, I didn't have toomany friends, um, and with my
(08:14):
classmates, always felt like, uh, because a lot of them looked
up to me, because I went to alot of classes and I was a
football player and I was doinga lot in that as far as being
autistic and um, and I felt likeI kind of had to protect them
and it was very difficultbecause it was a very confusing
time.
I was still trying to figureout this whole law.
I didn't find out I wasautistic until I was like 14, 15
(08:40):
, and it was a very confusingtime and I felt very angry at
the time.
I didn't know, I felt likethere was something wrong with
me and I didn't really think Ididn't look at it all too
ultimately as a positive thingat the time.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that that's somethingpeople can definitely relate
with about schools and educationand the kind of how do I put
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this the level of emotionalwellbeing that should be the
focus rather than the systemthat they have in place.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I think it needs to change, cause you look at even a
hundred years ago, the schoolsare exactly the same.
There might be small changes,but overall it hasn't changed
much and a lot of it is becausethey want to stick with what
works and what's not broken.
But actually is broken.
There's a lot of it has beenvery positive and as far as
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people with disabilities, I'msure you've heard stories as
well, but it has not been verypositive for majority of people
with disabilities, um, and therecould be definitely better
systems for that.
Um, and with the educationalsystem I'm only have seven hours
a day.
They can't individually helpeach child all the time, so I
(10:18):
can't really blame them, it'smore the system.
I feel like they put thefunding in the wrong areas.
I think they should reallyinvest into people that really
need the help and into investingmore into education.
Like, even statistically, whatI would do is like add standing
desks, like that provides up andproductivity, and bring
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different classes that are morerelative.
You know, even meditation, I say, could be a great tool for
people, for younger kids.
You know, looking back, I wish,I wish to god they would have
had that, because that wouldhave helped me so much in
classes when I felt anxiety andI felt depressed, like that
would have helped in such a bigway, and I just think there's a
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lot of things that could addinto it.
Um, that could help the schoolsystem very much.
So there's a lot of things theycan implement that could be
different.
I just think it's time tomodernize the school system
because it's an old system thatwas meant for factory workers
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originally.
It just needs to change.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I know a lot of people are afraid of change, and
change comes with an unknownsense just needs to change.
Yeah, and I know a lot ofpeople are afraid of change, and
and changes comes with anunknown sense of what could be
or what may be next.
However, um, you know, it'sfunny.
I just said this a minute agoabout people's life mottos and
somebody just uh did a postabout what's your life motto or
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what is a sentence that hadsomeone had said to you that's
changed your life.
And I put a sentence that myhusband actually said to me when
we were dating if you do whatyou always do, you get what you
always got.
And I was just like dang.
I don't remember what it wasabout, but it was a slap in the
face and I was just like okayokay, okay, I need to look at
(12:13):
this.
This is so true, um, but it'swise, it's so true and that's
what's happening.
We're, we're repeating andrepeating, and repeating and
repeating things.
The end, if it doesn't justyeah, it just needs to be like
flipped upside down and shakenout and ringed out right All of
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the things, and then we canbuild it back together from
there.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And the one last piece.
With that, I think it's moreabout building on strengths.
You know, like even disabilitylike once I began to is like
wording.
I believe words have power andI think it's getting like
disability means a lack ofability.
I think people with autism,like I think they have a great
ability, like there's so manyexamples of that musk, greta
(13:02):
vandenberg and um alberteinstein and I think in school
they need to work on thestrength instead of always
working on the weaknesses,because that's going to slow
them down and in school youdon't have that much time.
So I think really they shouldreally be focused on the
strengths of those students.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, how much could we create in that kind of an
environment.
I can't even imagine the powerand the inventions and the ideas
and the opportunities thatwould come from that kind of a
nurture of a wonderfulenvironment like that.
For sure so good things to putto the universe.
(13:41):
So we need you to work on thesethings please.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Just keep benefiting it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I love it tell us about um, that transition maybe
from, um, you know high schoolor whatever, to wanting to, to
kind of get out of there.
Or did you stay in pennsylvaniaand, like, go into the
workforce?
What did that look like?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
um, I actually didn't go to the workforce until after
the pandemic, um, because Ijust took a year off just trying
to figure out what I want to do.
Um, I didn't go to the workfirst until after the pandemic,
um, because I just took a yearoff just trying to figure out
what I want to do.
Um, I didn't go to the bestenvironment.
I actually ended up going tomaryland for a year.
Um, not the best decision ofmine.
I actually, uh, caused a lot ofdepression and, but it was
(14:24):
meant to be, because it reallyit really I had time.
It was during the pandemic, soI had time to really reflect and
I was forced to be with myself,which was I was always trying
to distract myself and there'sso much distractions, you know.
And and it really helped mefinally let go of all the trauma
(14:45):
because, like all the memoriesof getting bullied and my team
just like um, even this oneparticular memory, I was trying,
I was in the huddle and I, whenI say number three, it sounds
like I'm saying free and I usedto get bullied for that and or
when I try to say something inthe huddle, I'll be get shut
down immediately, and I justfelt like my voice didn't really
(15:07):
matter and and it crawled.
It was almost like a PTSDmoment.
It just kept replaying over andover and over and I was like it
was almost like I couldn't stopit and it took a lot of healing
to get through that and a lotof letting go.
And the pandemic really helpedme learn to let go, because I
(15:30):
got to the point.
You know I'm not going to gointo detail cause it's a little
dark, but, um, I got to a pointwhere I didn't really uh, I
wasn't sure if I was going tomake it to the next day.
And it finally got to the pointwhere it was like either this
is it for me or I.
I got to live life how I reallywant to and make my career,
(15:52):
carve out my own path, and thatwas the first start.
And then I started asking help.
I asked my older brother and heshowed me a lot of teachers
that he's been learning underand it changed my life.
You know, I started meditatingand started working out and this
is right after my best friend,who is like my older brother,
(16:13):
passed away and there's a lot ofthings that happened in that
year and I had to keep pushingthrough and I'm glad I did,
because it brought me here and alot of things transpired and a
couple of years about a year anda half later after that I moved
here and it brought me to thismoment.
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So that's kind of where it was.
And as far as the workforce, itwas very difficult.
It was kind of a transition.
I worked at a diner so that wasa hard job to do because I was
a dishwasher and a little bit ofa prep cook.
So it was hard at first and Ihad a lot of moments of like not
having very good bosses.
(16:54):
But it taught me a lot aboutpatience and to have a little
bit more self respect for myself, to not always allow people to
treat me that way.
So it took a lot of thoseexperiences but it helped me
grow and to be where I am today.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, I love that and thank you for being so
vulnerable and sharing and Ihave seen, you know, your videos
on your YouTube where you dotalk about suicide awareness and
you do talk about bringing avoice to those who feel
voiceless or feel like theycan't be heard or going through
(17:34):
you know hard times, so thankyou for doing that for others,
because it really is such ascary time in anyone's life when
they're feeling that they'realone and that they you know
have aren't, are being havinginjustice, and it really is
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horrible that humans areinhumane.
I'm not quite sure I understandthe how things and where things,
everything goes wrong there,but I do like see how, taking
that time for yourself like I'mso happy for you and so thankful
(18:21):
for your brother who's whostepped in and sounds like he
had some really wonderful waysthat maybe for healing that he'd
had on his own journeys, and soit's, it's so nice that you can
take those steps to recover foryourself and um and start a new
(18:42):
way of of being for yourselfand everything, and I love to
hear that you're happy now doingthat.
So I mean, tell us kind ofabout the, the move to Florida
and like what, when was the kindof like the aha moment and like
this is exactly what I shouldbe doing.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I remember exactly the moment, um, we went to the
beach.
Um, it was that it was the daywe, the day we were looking at
Florida visiting.
I'm trying to think if it waswe were visiting or when we
moved there.
You know what I think it waswhen we moved there.
It was like the first week.
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I still remember when I firstit was the apartment.
It wasn't the best placebecause we had a lot of cranky
neighbors.
But I remember just laying onthe ground I didn't have no bed
yet, my stuff wasn't in yet.
I just laid on the floor.
I was like I just couldn't stopsmiling.
I was like I'm finally here,I'm ready for my new journey.
Like it just felt like thedream.
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You know, I was like, wow, Ican't believe I'm actually here.
And it was the moment we wentto the beach, we're in the ocean
and there's a sunset, and meand my brother just looked at
each other and we're like wemade it, we really made it.
We're here.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Wow, that's amazing and that it's something you can
have forever.
That moment, that memory foryou to, you know, and that
feeling.
And now you know, you know,with manifesting, you just bring
that feeling up of being so atpeace and so blessed in that
(20:25):
moment and you attach it toanything you want in the future
and bring it closer.
Uh yeah, Steps of manifestation, one-on-one.
You couldn't catch that episode.
No, I'm just joking.
Um but yeah, isn't that?
Um, really I love that.
And now you're pursuing yourdreams and your desires, and
(20:51):
what does that look like?
What are you up to now and whatdo you have kind of coming up
in the pipeline for yourself?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's funny, you know, I didn't really.
I had this flash of a dream.
It was a couple of months I hadand then it kind of didn't
always transpire, but it was aseed.
I actually wanted to be amotivational speaker years ago
but I kind of gave up on it andreally pursued more to
podcasting thing.
But I got opportunity recentlyby an amazing person that is
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organization team awesomest,lynn Mossimus Lynn um, she, um,
she, really um.
She got me an opportunity to bea speaker at the ICANN autism
conference in April and so I'vebeen.
I'm really excited for theopportunity.
It's uh.
I was honestly, when she toldme I was like kind of blown away
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.
I was like what it was?
Uh, it was a beautifulexperience and now it really
pushed me, it really drove medown.
I'm like because I do plan onhaving my podcast, so like that
will always be my saying, but Iwant to be a speaker now.
You know that's what I'm kindof trained for now.
Like today, actually tonight,I'm going to Toastmasters.
(22:07):
I've been going like every day,these day, these past, like
maybe a month and a half, alittle over that.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And I'm just trying to be a speaker.
Actually, I've been talking tosomeone that's been speaking for
15 years and I've just beenlike, hey, what can I do as a
first time speaker?
He actually gave me his bookSpeaking to Grow Rich.
I'm big in getting into it, butman, it's just so powerful,
(22:39):
like I really just started itand I'm like blown away.
So it's been a beautifulexperience Good.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
That's fantastic.
I wish that I could be there.
That's fantastic, I'm, I wishthat I could be there.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I was also invited to be a speaker, but I can't
travel that far, and you knowwhat I have.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I might even just do this.
I might even just do this, butI have a joke with like two or
three other speakers that aregoing to be there, that
everybody just needs to wear anI know Sarah shirt and you can
all connect with one another.
Oh that is funny.
No, I I'm, yeah, I'm reallybummed that it was a wonderful
(23:23):
invitation, but I'm excited.
I'll be excited to watch youand to, to you know, hear you
again and to see you thrive inthat environment that you're
working so hard for.
And congratulations,toastmasters is a wonderful way
to go.
My husband did Toastmasters inthe past and he's always like
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you need to look into it and Iprobably should.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
It can be a lot.
You know, um, it's a greatsaying, I think it's.
It depends all what, uh, whatyour toastmasters looks like,
because they're all differentkinds.
Um, but the one I go to is froma church.
I go to, uh, the temple of theliving god and and luckily there
are a lot of amazing peoplethere.
I was nervous as heck.
You know, like my heart wasbeating for my chest and a part
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of me was like, should I just goto the bathroom and leave?
But I walked out there, spokeand I felt I'm very critical of
myself.
So sometimes I don't always see, I always think I did bad.
But everyone's like, gage, youdid great.
You know, you did pretty goodand cause it was like it was
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like a papal topics, like a twominute Lego, apples or PC, and I
was like, yeah, I was trying tomake it more comical and it
kind of turned out that way.
So it was fine.
But the one thing I'm learningis to give myself a little more
love and to be patient, becauseit was only my first time really
speaking, because I haven'tspoken like six months and and
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that was only one time, so itkind of goes, dissolves away
pretty quickly.
So that really felt like myfirst time and and we'll see how
it goes tonight hopefully alittle bit better yay, well, and
I wish you the best on that andthat's going to be wonderful.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, make sure to like stay in touch and get me,
you know, your speaking cardsand things that I can help
promote you as the speaker, toofor that event.
I would love to do that.
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Absolutely no.
That's wonderful.
Well, what is some advice thatyou would leave with our
listeners and viewers?
How about advice for parents ofyounger kiddos under the age of
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10?
And then advice for adults thatare, you know, late diagnosed
or, as you know, just adultautistic adults that are, you
know, just they are now.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well, with the parents.
I would uh say, if your child,you know, especially ones of all
that have autism, um, bepatient with them, have an open
mind, because they learndifferently, they see things
differently, um, and just get,be there as support and love
them, you know, and just sendthat love, because someday it
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can be very difficult andsometimes we forget how
difficult it can be to beautistic, you know, and or be
labeled as a disability, andespecially those going to school
, like it's very difficult.
From speaking from experience,you know, and from what I heard,
hasn't gotten better.
Um, so, just be present withthem, just, you know, um, just
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be loving and supporting them.
And and if, if they, especiallyif they have anxiety, I would
recommend, like they have, like,uh, meditations for kids and
things like that.
So I recommend going on youtube, uh, looking up a short video
of meditation and, you know, uh,introducing that to your kid.
You know, they're not all, uh,kids are not always interested
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in meditation, so you might haveto put in a way that will get
them to interact with it, but Ihighly recommend that.
And, yeah, just be there forthem, you know, because that's
ultimately what I wish.
I would have had Someone myparents.
They did the best possible theycould, but they always weren't
mentally there, and so beingpresent with them is the best
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thing you could offer them.
And for autistic adults andthose of like, I recommend
giving yourself love, because wecan be very hard on ourselves
and when you feel like you failat something or like you don't
feel good at something you wantto be at, I will say this be bad
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, be good.
It's a quote I have to remindmyself after my first time
speaking.
No one's coming out of the womblike, yeah, man, I can sing
like uh, I can see like stevienicks and I can work out like,
uh, like a bodybuilder.
Um, you're not gonna come outlike super crazy good, you know
it.
It takes work, you know, andyou might not be good right away
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, but doesn't mean you can't getbetter.
So it's all work.
And, and if you guys arestruggling with anxiety or
depression, start frommeditation.
You know it's being presentwith yourself and not always
listening to your head all thetime, cause that's where I heard
this quote.
Not believe, if you're in yourhead, you're dead.
You know you're not reallypresent, you're not really there
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.
It's like when you scroll on acell phone, you're not really
there and you're like where didI just go, you know?
So just be present yourself andgive yourself love, and that's
the best way you, that's thebest way to go and the best way
to start out.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I love both of those pieces of advice.
I think that's so fantastic andsorry if you hear noise in my
background I have a cat diggingthrough a box because of course
that's what he needs to do rightexactly at this moment.
No regard.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, I have airplanes.
I don't know why they keepflying around the time I've
never heard.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh, that's so funny, gage.
This has been such a greatconversation.
I'm so glad that we couldconnect and I'm really excited
for the opportunities that youhave coming up for you and I'm
going to be able to kind ofwatch you grow and yeah, so
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looking forward to that.
And I'm so glad that you tookthe time to be here with me
today and you took the time tohave me on your show as well,
and I just went on before wecame on here and posted it and
said go listen to thisconversation so that you can
come back and listen to myinterview with him later.
So hopefully that you know, weget some good cross promotion on
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both of our shows there.
So let's talk about your podcast, because we can't not talk
about the show and what you liketo talk about, who you talk to
and the name of it, all of thegood stuff, so that we can give
everybody the info of where togo.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So it's called autism talk.
Um, I couldn't guys, someoneelse claimed, uh, the ad on
YouTube but uh, it's autism talkof gauge.
Um, and I had.
I talk, like I have dailymessages.
I give every day, um, or atleast like five to six times a
week, depending on what's goingon with my schedule, um, but I
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also have guests on that areautistic a parent of a that has
autistic child, or a advocatefor autism.
Um, I had some educators on.
I'm actually having onetomorrow.
She's been educated for, I think, around 30 years or over 20
years, somewhere around that,and so I'm just really want to
spread awareness and acceptanceto the autism community and I
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like to have people on that areuplifting, to have a great
message, because we all have areason to complain or be upset,
you know, but I like the peoplethat have pushed through that
and that don't go into like thevictim mindset, like we all can.
You know I've done it before,but we really, uh, we need more
people that are uplifting andthat are showing the path, like
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you can do this.
You can do more than youpossibly, than you think you can
, you know, and I'm gratefulthat my I can bring that and to
bring any messages I've learnedon my path that can help you and
I'm just super grateful to beable to do that and, and I'm
hoping, autism talk and becomesomething that's well known,
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same if your pocket.
You know, these are thepodcasts that I want to be
well-known and to get theattention it deserves, because
we both work very hard countlesshours.
So I'm grateful for thesepodcasts and these talks.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I couldn't agree more 100% and I put it down YouTube
Autism Talk with Gage AutismTalk, gage G-A-G-E for those of
you who are listening.
Thank you so much for your timetoday and I just wish you the
best, but we're going to be intouch all the time anyways, so
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I'll know what's happening andI'll make sure you know we can
come have you back on for acatch up later and after that
event maybe, and you can tell uswhat your experience was.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, I would love that.
You know it's always a pleasureto come on here and I'll look
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Hey, thank you so much for your time today.
We'll be in touch, thank youfor inviting me on.
Absolutely.
Welcome to the SJ Child Show, where a little bit
of knowledge can turn fear intounderstanding.
Enjoy the show.
Hi, thanks for joining the SGChild Show.
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I'm so excited today to catchup with Gage, and I was on his
podcast a couple of weeks agomaybe a month or so and so he
got to know me.
But it's time to flip thescript and get to know Gage and
find out more about him, and itwas a wonderful conversation
(00:55):
with you that time.
So thank you so much for beinghere.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's a pleasure to be here and thank you for asking
me to come on.
I'm really excited to talk alittle bit about autism and I
see where the discussion goes.
It usually flows in a differentway, so it goes all ways, but
it's always interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, and always learn so much from other
people's experiences, theiradvice, their lessons that
they've learned that they canshare.
So that's always nice when youhave things that you can take
away, plus the great connections, like you said, and
opportunities that can come fromyou know, getting to know or
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other people listening to thepodcast for both of us, on both,
both end, because, um, as weget into this discussion, we're
going to talk about your ownshow that you created and, yeah,
it just goes up from there.
So, before we get intoeverything, um, exciting and
wonderful, give us theintroduction of gage and kind of
(02:03):
what brought you here today.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
No, what brought me here today?
It starts back when I was fiveyears old.
That's when I was diagnosedwith autism and I grew up
showing signs of autism early on.
Like I didn't talk until I wasfive, I would create boxes.
Against where the snacks were,I would create boxes and climb
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on them.
So I showed a lot of signsearly and, as far as podcasting
goes, I've been doing that forthe past five years.
I started in 2019.
So I was about 19 years old andand it just started.
It wasn't even about autismoriginally.
It was just about a tv show Ijust wanted to record and talk
about and see if where it went,and it went to football and then
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it led to autism.
I got inspiration last year.
I um just had this superspiritual experience.
It came a couple months after Ihad a severe autism burnout and
I went to uh, I went to thisretreat, um that I spent a
couple months at and I just hadthis epiphany and a vision that
(03:16):
I wanted to bring more awarenessand more acceptance and to
build a bridge of the communityand it's not just me, but
everybody, you know.
I think it takes community andI felt a vision there with my
podcast.
I was like you know what I I'm,the past podcast didn't work
out.
You know they had some successbut I didn't feel connected to
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it.
Um, but I can use that for mycommunity and for autism.
So so main goal, my podcast,which is called autism talk, is
to bring acceptance andawareness to the autism
community and, uh, I have guestslike you on and people that are
in the autism community couldbe parents, could be advocates,
um, and that's sort of sayingand it's been, it's been a
(04:01):
beautiful experience.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And it's been a beautiful experience.
I love that.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.
And only because I love birdsmore, I'm a crazy bird lady.
If that's what you think, tellus where you're at and what the
heck is that bird that's makingall that noise behind you.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, actually I'm not sure what's going on, but
there's like a, I guess ahelicopter in the background,
but um, but yeah, I'm in, uh, stpete, florida, and right now
I'm in my backyard.
There's, uh, the one thing I'mI don't like about here is the
sand.
I can't stand sand.
But uh, I love the palm trees,I love the weather for the most
(04:44):
part it gets a little warm outhere, but overall it's.
It's really nice here.
I moved down here about threeyears ago because I lived up
North majority of my life and Icame down here for more
opportunity because I felt likeI hit my wall when I came to up
North or where I came from inPennsylvania, near where the
civil war happened in Gettysburg, and I just I felt like I
(05:08):
wasn't growing and I wasstarting to go and kind of get a
little depressed.
So I was like you know, it'stime for a change and I moved to
my brother and we went toFlorida and ever since like it's
just been mind expanding andthere have been a lot of
connections.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I've made here, a lot of friends that became family
to me and these three years havebeen incredible kind of our,
our heart and not get out of ourhead, Like you said, you know,
(05:48):
kind of that depression andeverything that we can really
find and create peace andhappiness for ourselves.
And some people look andthey're like, oh, you're so
happy, like you're so luckybecause you have that or
whatever.
Oh boy, I worked hard for thishappiness.
You know it's not always gooddays there's.
(06:12):
You know you put your best footforward, like everybody has
kind of their own motto, if youwill or whatever.
But I think that just followingyour instincts and your heart,
like that, is so important.
So that's great that you didthat.
What was it like?
(06:32):
The community kind of growingup?
What kind of services were they, you know?
Did you feel they were good orcould they have used some, you
know, some work, or how do youfeel about that now, looking
back?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Definitely some work.
I, in their own way, I they didtry to help, but it actually
turned out to be worse than theywere originally intending.
That was mostly school.
That was mostly school.
Um, they would have us use jobsites because, uh, they were
trying to make us more, a littlebit more self-sufficient, but
(07:10):
it actually affected uslong-term wise.
Um, they would have us use jobsites like, uh, clean trash off
walmart and clean a laundromat,and it was, uh, it took a lot of
time off school.
So I'll be like I I'd be doingjobs like two to three days a
week and it took a lot of timeout of school and it just kind
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of affected kids.
Kids knew that.
And not only that, but we alsocleaned the dust off tops of
locker rooms and the hallway, infront of everybody, and also in
the cafeteria, maybe duringmid-periods.
Not everyone would be there,but kids would ask questions and
it's kind of hard to avoidthose, especially when you're 13
(07:53):
, 14.
And then it caused a lot ofbullying and a lot of judgments
and it definitely hurt a lot and, personally speaking, it
affected my confidence and andeven against my own football
team.
You know, I didn't have toomany friends, um, and with my
(08:14):
classmates, always felt like, uh, because a lot of them looked
up to me, because I went to alot of classes and I was a
football player and I was doinga lot in that as far as being
autistic and um, and I felt likeI kind of had to protect them
and it was very difficultbecause it was a very confusing
time.
I was still trying to figureout this whole law.
I didn't find out I wasautistic until I was like 14, 15
(08:40):
, and it was a very confusingtime and I felt very angry at
the time.
I didn't know, I felt likethere was something wrong with
me and I didn't really think Ididn't look at it all too
ultimately as a positive thingat the time.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that that's somethingpeople can definitely relate
with about schools and educationand the kind of how do I put
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this the level of emotionalwellbeing that should be the
focus rather than the systemthat they have in place.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I think it needs to change, cause you look at even a
hundred years ago, the schoolsare exactly the same.
There might be small changes,but overall it hasn't changed
much and a lot of it is becausethey want to stick with what
works and what's not broken.
But actually is broken.
There's a lot of it has beenvery positive and as far as
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people with disabilities, I'msure you've heard stories as
well, but it has not been verypositive for majority of people
with disabilities, um, and therecould be definitely better
systems for that.
Um, and with the educationalsystem I'm only have seven hours
a day.
They can't individually helpeach child all the time, so I
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can't really blame them, it'smore the system.
I feel like they put thefunding in the wrong areas.
I think they should reallyinvest into people that really
need the help and into investingmore into education.
Like, even statistically, whatI would do is like add standing
desks, like that provides up andproductivity, and bring
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different classes that are morerelative.
You know, even meditation, I say, could be a great tool for
people, for younger kids.
You know, looking back, I wish,I wish to god they would have
had that, because that wouldhave helped me so much in
classes when I felt anxiety andI felt depressed, like that
would have helped in such a bigway, and I just think there's a
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lot of things that could addinto it.
Um, that could help the schoolsystem very much.
So there's a lot of things theycan implement that could be
different.
I just think it's time tomodernize the school system
because it's an old system thatwas meant for factory workers
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originally.
It just needs to change.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I know a lot of people are afraid of change, and
change comes with an unknownsense just needs to change.
Yeah, and I know a lot ofpeople are afraid of change, and
and changes comes with anunknown sense of what could be
or what may be next.
However, um, you know, it'sfunny.
I just said this a minute agoabout people's life mottos and
somebody just uh did a postabout what's your life motto or
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what is a sentence that hadsomeone had said to you that's
changed your life.
And I put a sentence that myhusband actually said to me when
we were dating if you do whatyou always do, you get what you
always got.
And I was just like dang.
I don't remember what it wasabout, but it was a slap in the
face and I was just like okayokay, okay, I need to look at
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this.
This is so true, um, but it'swise, it's so true and that's
what's happening.
We're, we're repeating andrepeating, and repeating and
repeating things.
The end, if it doesn't justyeah, it just needs to be like
flipped upside down and shakenout and ringed out right All of
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the things, and then we canbuild it back together from
there.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And the one last piece.
With that, I think it's moreabout building on strengths.
You know, like even disabilitylike once I began to is like
wording.
I believe words have power andI think it's getting like
disability means a lack ofability.
I think people with autism,like I think they have a great
ability, like there's so manyexamples of that musk, greta
(13:02):
vandenberg and um alberteinstein and I think in school
they need to work on thestrength instead of always
working on the weaknesses,because that's going to slow
them down and in school youdon't have that much time.
So I think really they shouldreally be focused on the
strengths of those students.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, how much could we create in that kind of an
environment.
I can't even imagine the powerand the inventions and the ideas
and the opportunities thatwould come from that kind of a
nurture of a wonderfulenvironment like that.
For sure so good things to putto the universe.
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So we need you to work on thesethings please.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Just keep benefiting it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I love it tell us about um, that transition maybe
from, um, you know high schoolor whatever, to wanting to, to
kind of get out of there.
Or did you stay in pennsylvaniaand, like, go into the
workforce?
What did that look like?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
um, I actually didn't go to the workforce until after
the pandemic, um, because Ijust took a year off just trying
to figure out what I want to do.
Um, I didn't go to the workfirst until after the pandemic,
um, because I just took a yearoff just trying to figure out
what I want to do.
Um, I didn't go to the bestenvironment.
I actually ended up going tomaryland for a year.
Um, not the best decision ofmine.
I actually, uh, caused a lot ofdepression and, but it was
(14:24):
meant to be, because it reallyit really I had time.
It was during the pandemic, soI had time to really reflect and
I was forced to be with myself,which was I was always trying
to distract myself and there'sso much distractions, you know.
And and it really helped mefinally let go of all the trauma
(14:45):
because, like all the memoriesof getting bullied and my team
just like um, even this oneparticular memory, I was trying,
I was in the huddle and I, whenI say number three, it sounds
like I'm saying free and I usedto get bullied for that and or
when I try to say something inthe huddle, I'll be get shut
down immediately, and I justfelt like my voice didn't really
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matter and and it crawled.
It was almost like a PTSDmoment.
It just kept replaying over andover and over and I was like it
was almost like I couldn't stopit and it took a lot of healing
to get through that and a lotof letting go.
And the pandemic really helpedme learn to let go, because I
(15:30):
got to the point.
You know I'm not going to gointo detail cause it's a little
dark, but, um, I got to a pointwhere I didn't really uh, I
wasn't sure if I was going tomake it to the next day.
And it finally got to the pointwhere it was like either this
is it for me or I.
I got to live life how I reallywant to and make my career,
(15:52):
carve out my own path, and thatwas the first start.
And then I started asking help.
I asked my older brother and heshowed me a lot of teachers
that he's been learning underand it changed my life.
You know, I started meditatingand started working out and this
is right after my best friend,who is like my older brother,
(16:13):
passed away and there's a lot ofthings that happened in that
year and I had to keep pushingthrough and I'm glad I did,
because it brought me here and alot of things transpired and a
couple of years about a year anda half later after that I moved
here and it brought me to thismoment.
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So that's kind of where it was.
And as far as the workforce, itwas very difficult.
It was kind of a transition.
I worked at a diner so that wasa hard job to do because I was
a dishwasher and a little bit ofa prep cook.
So it was hard at first and Ihad a lot of moments of like not
having very good bosses.
(16:54):
But it taught me a lot aboutpatience and to have a little
bit more self respect for myself, to not always allow people to
treat me that way.
So it took a lot of thoseexperiences but it helped me
grow and to be where I am today.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, I love that and thank you for being so
vulnerable and sharing and Ihave seen, you know, your videos
on your YouTube where you dotalk about suicide awareness and
you do talk about bringing avoice to those who feel
voiceless or feel like theycan't be heard or going through
(17:34):
you know hard times, so thankyou for doing that for others,
because it really is such ascary time in anyone's life when
they're feeling that they'realone and that they you know
have aren't, are being havinginjustice, and it really is
(18:00):
horrible that humans areinhumane.
I'm not quite sure I understandthe how things and where things,
everything goes wrong there,but I do like see how, taking
that time for yourself like I'mso happy for you and so thankful
(18:21):
for your brother who's whostepped in and sounds like he
had some really wonderful waysthat maybe for healing that he'd
had on his own journeys, and soit's, it's so nice that you can
take those steps to recover foryourself and um and start a new
(18:42):
way of of being for yourselfand everything, and I love to
hear that you're happy now doingthat.
So I mean, tell us kind ofabout the, the move to Florida
and like what, when was the kindof like the aha moment and like
this is exactly what I shouldbe doing.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I remember exactly the moment, um, we went to the
beach.
Um, it was that it was the daywe, the day we were looking at
Florida visiting.
I'm trying to think if it waswe were visiting or when we
moved there.
You know what I think it waswhen we moved there.
It was like the first week.
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I still remember when I firstit was the apartment.
It wasn't the best placebecause we had a lot of cranky
neighbors.
But I remember just laying onthe ground I didn't have no bed
yet, my stuff wasn't in yet.
I just laid on the floor.
I was like I just couldn't stopsmiling.
I was like I'm finally here,I'm ready for my new journey.
Like it just felt like thedream.
(19:45):
You know, I was like, wow, Ican't believe I'm actually here.
And it was the moment we wentto the beach, we're in the ocean
and there's a sunset, and meand my brother just looked at
each other and we're like wemade it, we really made it.
We're here.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Wow, that's amazing and that it's something you can
have forever.
That moment, that memory foryou to, you know, and that
feeling.
And now you know, you know,with manifesting, you just bring
that feeling up of being so atpeace and so blessed in that
(20:25):
moment and you attach it toanything you want in the future
and bring it closer.
Uh yeah, Steps of manifestation, one-on-one.
You couldn't catch that episode.
No, I'm just joking.
Um but yeah, isn't that?
Um, really I love that.
And now you're pursuing yourdreams and your desires, and
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what does that look like?
What are you up to now and whatdo you have kind of coming up
in the pipeline for yourself?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's funny, you know, I didn't really.
I had this flash of a dream.
It was a couple of months I hadand then it kind of didn't
always transpire, but it was aseed.
I actually wanted to be amotivational speaker years ago
but I kind of gave up on it andreally pursued more to
podcasting thing.
But I got opportunity recentlyby an amazing person that is
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organization team awesomest,lynn Mossimus Lynn um, she, um,
she, really um.
She got me an opportunity to bea speaker at the ICANN autism
conference in April and so I'vebeen.
I'm really excited for theopportunity.
It's uh.
I was honestly, when she toldme I was like kind of blown away
(21:44):
.
I was like what it was?
Uh, it was a beautifulexperience and now it really
pushed me, it really drove medown.
I'm like because I do plan onhaving my podcast, so like that
will always be my saying, but Iwant to be a speaker now.
You know that's what I'm kindof trained for now.
Like today, actually tonight,I'm going to Toastmasters.
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I've been going like every day,these day, these past, like
maybe a month and a half, alittle over that.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And I'm just trying to be a speaker.
Actually, I've been talking tosomeone that's been speaking for
15 years and I've just beenlike, hey, what can I do as a
first time speaker?
He actually gave me his bookSpeaking to Grow Rich.
I'm big in getting into it, butman, it's just so powerful,
(22:39):
like I really just started itand I'm like blown away.
So it's been a beautifulexperience Good.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
That's fantastic.
I wish that I could be there.
That's fantastic, I'm, I wishthat I could be there.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I was also invited to be a speaker, but I can't
travel that far, and you knowwhat I have.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I might even just do this.
I might even just do this, butI have a joke with like two or
three other speakers that aregoing to be there, that
everybody just needs to wear anI know Sarah shirt and you can
all connect with one another.
Oh that is funny.
No, I I'm, yeah, I'm reallybummed that it was a wonderful
(23:23):
invitation, but I'm excited.
I'll be excited to watch youand to, to you know, hear you
again and to see you thrive inthat environment that you're
working so hard for.
And congratulations,toastmasters is a wonderful way
to go.
My husband did Toastmasters inthe past and he's always like
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you need to look into it and Iprobably should.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
It can be a lot.
You know, um, it's a greatsaying, I think it's.
It depends all what, uh, whatyour toastmasters looks like,
because they're all differentkinds.
Um, but the one I go to is froma church.
I go to, uh, the temple of theliving god and and luckily there
are a lot of amazing peoplethere.
I was nervous as heck.
You know, like my heart wasbeating for my chest and a part
(24:14):
of me was like, should I just goto the bathroom and leave?
But I walked out there, spokeand I felt I'm very critical of
myself.
So sometimes I don't always see, I always think I did bad.
But everyone's like, gage, youdid great.
You know, you did pretty goodand cause it was like it was
(24:35):
like a papal topics, like a twominute Lego, apples or PC, and I
was like, yeah, I was trying tomake it more comical and it
kind of turned out that way.
So it was fine.
But the one thing I'm learningis to give myself a little more
love and to be patient, becauseit was only my first time really
speaking, because I haven'tspoken like six months and and
(24:57):
that was only one time, so itkind of goes, dissolves away
pretty quickly.
So that really felt like myfirst time and and we'll see how
it goes tonight hopefully alittle bit better yay, well, and
I wish you the best on that andthat's going to be wonderful.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, make sure to like stay in touch and get me,
you know, your speaking cardsand things that I can help
promote you as the speaker, toofor that event.
I would love to do that.
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Absolutely no.
That's wonderful.
Well, what is some advice thatyou would leave with our
listeners and viewers?
How about advice for parents ofyounger kiddos under the age of
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10?
And then advice for adults thatare, you know, late diagnosed
or, as you know, just adultautistic adults that are, you
know, just they are now.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well, with the parents.
I would uh say, if your child,you know, especially ones of all
that have autism, um, bepatient with them, have an open
mind, because they learndifferently, they see things
differently, um, and just get,be there as support and love
them, you know, and just sendthat love, because someday it
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can be very difficult andsometimes we forget how
difficult it can be to beautistic, you know, and or be
labeled as a disability, andespecially those going to school
, like it's very difficult.
From speaking from experience,you know, and from what I heard,
hasn't gotten better.
Um, so, just be present withthem, just, you know, um, just
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be loving and supporting them.
And and if, if they, especiallyif they have anxiety, I would
recommend, like they have, like,uh, meditations for kids and
things like that.
So I recommend going on youtube, uh, looking up a short video
of meditation and, you know, uh,introducing that to your kid.
You know, they're not all, uh,kids are not always interested
(27:05):
in meditation, so you might haveto put in a way that will get
them to interact with it, but Ihighly recommend that.
And, yeah, just be there forthem, you know, because that's
ultimately what I wish.
I would have had Someone myparents.
They did the best possible theycould, but they always weren't
mentally there, and so beingpresent with them is the best
(27:26):
thing you could offer them.
And for autistic adults andthose of like, I recommend
giving yourself love, because wecan be very hard on ourselves
and when you feel like you failat something or like you don't
feel good at something you wantto be at, I will say this be bad
(27:48):
, be good.
It's a quote I have to remindmyself after my first time
speaking.
No one's coming out of the womblike, yeah, man, I can sing
like uh, I can see like stevienicks and I can work out like,
uh, like a bodybuilder.
Um, you're not gonna come outlike super crazy good, you know
it.
It takes work, you know, andyou might not be good right away
(28:09):
, but doesn't mean you can't getbetter.
So it's all work.
And, and if you guys arestruggling with anxiety or
depression, start frommeditation.
You know it's being presentwith yourself and not always
listening to your head all thetime, cause that's where I heard
this quote.
Not believe, if you're in yourhead, you're dead.
You know you're not reallypresent, you're not really there
(28:31):
.
It's like when you scroll on acell phone, you're not really
there and you're like where didI just go, you know?
So just be present yourself andgive yourself love, and that's
the best way you, that's thebest way to go and the best way
to start out.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I love both of those pieces of advice.
I think that's so fantastic andsorry if you hear noise in my
background I have a cat diggingthrough a box because of course
that's what he needs to do rightexactly at this moment.
No regard.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, I have airplanes.
I don't know why they keepflying around the time I've
never heard.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh, that's so funny, gage.
This has been such a greatconversation.
I'm so glad that we couldconnect and I'm really excited
for the opportunities that youhave coming up for you and I'm
going to be able to kind ofwatch you grow and yeah, so
(29:30):
looking forward to that.
And I'm so glad that you tookthe time to be here with me
today and you took the time tohave me on your show as well,
and I just went on before wecame on here and posted it and
said go listen to thisconversation so that you can
come back and listen to myinterview with him later.
So hopefully that you know, weget some good cross promotion on
(29:55):
both of our shows there.
So let's talk about your podcast, because we can't not talk
about the show and what you liketo talk about, who you talk to
and the name of it, all of thegood stuff, so that we can give
everybody the info of where togo.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So it's called autism talk.
Um, I couldn't guys, someoneelse claimed, uh, the ad on
YouTube but uh, it's autism talkof gauge.
Um, and I had.
I talk, like I have dailymessages.
I give every day, um, or atleast like five to six times a
week, depending on what's goingon with my schedule, um, but I
(30:35):
also have guests on that areautistic a parent of a that has
autistic child, or a advocatefor autism.
Um, I had some educators on.
I'm actually having onetomorrow.
She's been educated for, I think, around 30 years or over 20
years, somewhere around that,and so I'm just really want to
spread awareness and acceptanceto the autism community and I
(30:58):
like to have people on that areuplifting, to have a great
message, because we all have areason to complain or be upset,
you know, but I like the peoplethat have pushed through that
and that don't go into like thevictim mindset, like we all can.
You know I've done it before,but we really, uh, we need more
people that are uplifting andthat are showing the path, like
(31:22):
you can do this.
You can do more than youpossibly, than you think you can
, you know, and I'm gratefulthat my I can bring that and to
bring any messages I've learnedon my path that can help you and
I'm just super grateful to beable to do that and, and I'm
hoping, autism talk and becomesomething that's well known,
(31:43):
same if your pocket.
You know, these are thepodcasts that I want to be
well-known and to get theattention it deserves, because
we both work very hard countlesshours.
So I'm grateful for thesepodcasts and these talks.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I couldn't agree more 100% and I put it down YouTube
Autism Talk with Gage AutismTalk, gage G-A-G-E for those of
you who are listening.
Thank you so much for your timetoday and I just wish you the
best, but we're going to be intouch all the time anyways, so
(32:20):
I'll know what's happening andI'll make sure you know we can
come have you back on for acatch up later and after that
event maybe, and you can tell uswhat your experience was.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, I would love that.
You know it's always a pleasureto come on here and I'll look
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Hey, thank you so much for your time today.
We'll be in touch, thank youfor inviting me on.
Absolutely.
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