April 24, 2023 • 39 mins
In this episode of The Skeptic Metaphysicians, Will and Karen interview a guest who has lived with Bushman healers in the Kalahari and yogis in the mountains of India, where he was caught living in a cave at the beginning of the COVID pandemic. The guest shares his spiritual experiences, including shamanic training, ritual work, and fasting for 34 days, and offers no-nonsense tips on how to avoid being manipulated or lied to on the spiritual path and how to rid oneself of soul contracts.
In this episode, we discuss the dangers of blindly following a spiritual path without doing proper research and protection. Our guest shares his personal experience of being lied to and manipulated by otherworldly entities, and how he was able to break free from their grasp. We also touch on the importance of embodying the teachings of spiritual leaders like Jesus and Buddha, rather than simply inviting their spirits into our hearts.
For a lot more information about this episode, visit our website for the full show notes and summaries: https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/michael-falcone
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
Real Magick and Mysticism
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/real-magick-and-mysticism
My Interview with a Vampyre
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/my-interview-with-a-vampyre
Mysteries of the Unseen World
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/mysteries-of-the-unseen-world-benton-ryer
ABOUT OUR GUEST: Michael Falcone has a law degree from the University of Connecticut. After choosing not to pursue a career in law, he tried a little bit of everything before embarking on the spiritual path. In 2016, he trained with traditional healers in Zimbabwe, South Africa. He then trained with Bushmen healer Kunta Boo in Namibia in 2018, and from there moved on to India where he lived with yogis and searched for Mahavatar Babaji.
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In this episode, we discuss the dangers of blindly following a spiritual path without doing proper research and protection. Our guest shares his personal experience of being lied to and manipulated by otherworldly entities, and how he was able to break free from their grasp. We also touch on the importance of embodying the teachings of spiritual leaders like Jesus and Buddha, rather than simply inviting their spirits into our hearts.
For a lot more information about this episode, visit our website for the full show notes and summaries: https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/michael-falcone
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
Real Magick and Mysticism
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/real-magick-and-mysticism
My Interview with a Vampyre
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/my-interview-with-a-vampyre
Mysteries of the Unseen World
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/mysteries-of-the-unseen-world-benton-ryer
ABOUT OUR GUEST: Michael Falcone has a law degree from the University of Connecticut. After choosing not to pursue a career in law, he tried a little bit of everything before embarking on the spiritual path. In 2016, he trained with traditional healers in Zimbabwe, South Africa. He then trained with Bushmen healer Kunta Boo in Namibia in 2018, and from there moved on to India where he lived with yogis and searched for Mahavatar Babaji.
Guest Info:
Website:
https://intrepidtimes.com/2019/07/among-the-sherpas
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/panjsher123456/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=6847178
Connect With the Skeptic Metaphysicians:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/skepticmetaphysician_podcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SkepticMetaphysician
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcBaf4lhzharlTVxa6Vm9mg
Twitter: https://twitter.com/WillRodriguezFl
Website: https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com
Like the show? We'd love to hear your thoughts!
Please rate/review the show here:
https://lovethepodcast.com/SkepticMetaphysicians
Other Ethereal Network Shows You’ll Love:
The Derek Loudermilk Show
Website: https://derekloudermilk.com
Miracles Happen Fertility Podcast
Website: https://www.drmariarothenburger.com/
World Awakenings
Website: https://worldawakenings.com
The Stress Therapist
Website: https://thestresstherapist.com
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(00:01):
Karen. Yes, imagine spending threeyears living with bushman healers in the Kalahari
and Yogi's in the mountains of India. Then imagine being caught living in a
cave during the beginnings of COVID.Now what would these things possibly have in
common? You might ask, Well, I'm glad you asked, because it
(00:21):
just so happens that this is preciselywhat our next guest experienced. Now,
living in a cave is not hisonly claim to fame. He's also had
shamanic training and ritual work. Hestudied with noted gurus. He's fast in
the mountains for thirty four days.In short, he's really dedicated his life
to the spiritual path it sounds likeit. And today he's coming to us
(00:45):
with a very important message. Canyou guess what that is? I have
no idea what I'm dying to findout. Well, how can you be
sure you aren't being manipulated or lieto on the spiritual path like another spirit?
We wait to get some no nonsensetips on how to do that from
him, But we're also going tochat about how you can rid yourself of
any soul contracts that might exist.This is going to be a fun one.
(01:08):
I can't wait to hear about thecave. My name is Will and
I'm Karen, and unlike Molder andScully, both want to believe. So
we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in
the spiritual and metaphysical world. We'vethrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.
I even joined a coven of witchesand wait, you joined a coven yep,
all on the interest of finding something, anything, that will prove that
(01:32):
there's something beyond this physical, threedimensional world we all live in. This
is the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey,Will, Yes, Karen. You know
how we always try to talk aboutthe most uplifting stories and feature of these
(01:55):
incredible guests on the show. Yeah, We're always trying to raise the vibrations
of the planet we are, andin doing so, every once in a
while will happen upon someone who's havinga bit of a struggle with that.
We recently spoke with someone who triedas he might, was not able to
really pull himself out of that lowerfrequency, and he had a really interesting
(02:15):
story. You're talking about our guestsfor this week, Yes, the man
that lived in a cave, Theman who lived in the cave. Yes.
So this is a completely different typeof interview than we've ever done before,
And I think that's the one reasonwhy it's important to put it out
on the show, because not onlyin doing the show are we trying to
give people some ideas of what differentmodalities are like and what some different experiences
(02:38):
are like. We really want toshow the whole gamut of possibilities of people's
realities. So what he experience hasnot been our experience, and it's hopefully
not an experience to anyone else weknow has experienced. Because he had a
really hard time, He really did, and it seems like he's still having
a bit of a hard time.So we're putting this out there hoping that
all of you all will listen toit and keep him in mind and help
(03:00):
him to maybe raise his vibrations,send him some positive energy and some love.
Ye. If all of us thatlisten to the show do that for
him, I'm sure will be ableto help him overcome the deity that he
says is out to get him.There's no doubt about it. Now,
let's listen to his story. Welcometo the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm will and
(03:21):
I'm caring, and today we've gotMichael Falcone in our studio. Now you
might remember him as the American whowas caught living in a cave at the
very beginning of the COVID pandemic.But what you don't know is how much
work he's put into his own spiritualgrowth. And he's going to let us
in on the secret to identifying whethersomeone in the spiritual field might really be
trying to help you or not.Michael, welcome to the show. Thank
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you, it's nice to be here. Everything that you mentioned, like the
fasting and the wilderness and stuff likethat, those were all kind of tests.
And so when you said earlier youknow how to make sure you're not
being lied to, I'm actually talkingnot lied to from physical being sitting in
front of you that's trying to milkyou of your money and stuff. I'm
talking about you know, dreams,intuition messages that are coming. So that's
(04:11):
right. That is so much betterthan I thought it was. So yeah,
well okay, right, well thenin that case, let's go ahead
and start at the very beginning,How did you get to I want to
grow spiritually? What drove me tofinding the spiritual path was a completely broken
heart. Right, So I wasdropping weight for no reason, like I
was eating, but I was basicallykind of sick. Apparently in the medical
(04:35):
field it is actually a thing like, you know, your heartbreaks and it
does have health ramifications, and Ireally needed healing, and obviously a medical
doctor wasn't going to be able tohelp with this particular problem. So I
got a healing from like a chikong master, which kind of helped a
little bit, but it didn't reallyget everything done, and I ended up
(04:56):
contacting and working with a shaman thatI kind of just found online. It
was like, all right, youknow, I don't know what else to
do. So you were just kindof google searching some ways to get help,
because how do you go from aregular doctor to a che gung master?
Like that's not just like a nextstep sort of thing, ye about
this stuff? Or was it justyou searching and searching. I had a
(05:17):
friend at work that was really intocheek kung, you know, so he
led me to that. From there, like I said, it was just
a lot of searching and one thingthis man that I worked with will will
tell people that he works with,is to knock on a lot of doors
before you find what works for you. Basically, that's really been my story
(05:38):
for a long time, is knockingon a lot of doors. And before
I found what I thought was okay, the path I'm supposed to be on
and I'm going to Africa and Indiaand all that. So did you find
what you were looking for? Soyou study with this shaman, you participate
in these rituals, was shamanism?What was calling to you? Because the
shaman path and the gurus in India, for example, very different paths.
(06:02):
How did those cross? How didyou get to where you were now?
During that time, one of theshamans that I was working with would also
say, well, in our society, you really can't just be a shaman.
You need something that is kind ofyour foundation, you know. So
for example, if I was adoctor, I can say, oh,
I'm you know, Michael Falcone anda doctor and I'm also a shaman,
(06:24):
so people take me seriously. Inother words, During the beginning of this
journey, I actually joined the military. I was discharged for a condition existing
prior to service. Because of myfinger, because the radio listeners won't be
able to see that. But oneof my fingers is messed up, the
ring finger, one of the tendonsis messed up. But anyways, after
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I was discharged from the military,like and I was very depressed. I
had re entry depression is something thatone of the Shamans told me I kind
of had. You know, youspend a month in the wilderness, or
you spend a month in this orthat, and you come back to reality
quote unquote, you know, thereal world where you have to find a
job and all that, and you'redepressed because you know, you don't know
(07:05):
what to do and nothing feels quiteright. So during this time I just
try to very basic simple meditation,and that meditation, I don't know,
I guess I got it really right, but it just opened my heart completely.
And I was kind of sitting there, you know, hating myself and
(07:27):
wishing something that would happen that wouldget me out of this mess. Instead,
an incredible wave of peace came overme, and the thought that came
to me, they were kind ofwashed over me, was that I would
not make any more decisions based onwhat I thought others needed, and so
that maybe is really the beginning ofthis transitioning over to the Yogic path of
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the tiger, where you're you're basicallyon your own from the Shamanic. Then
felt the need to go to Indiaand study out there. Well, right
after this kind of awakening experience,I mean, obviously personally everything changed.
I didn't know exactly what I wasgoing to do with it, but this
is when Mahavatar Babaji came to mein a very vivid dream and didn't necessarily
(08:13):
tell me to come find him,but you know, I had a couple
of dreams about it. And thenI had autobiography of a Yogi sitting in
my garage when out picked it upand having to turn on the page where
he's talking about who the Bobaje is, and I kind of like threw the
book out of my hands. Iwas like, oh my god, that's
you know, that's him. Andso from that point, you know,
(08:33):
I started making plans, saving money. I was going to go to India,
starting in Africa actually with the Bushman, because that was always kind of
on my bucket list. I guessI don't remember why. That was always
kind of first on the list.But I was the reception when you went
to Africa and India and you said, hey, I'm here to study with
(08:56):
you all. You look very differentthan the bushman and the Indian gurus.
So were you accepted right away?Was it difficult? What was that experience
like? That? Was not sodifficult? The the Africa story is really
so I spent my first two ortwo and a half weeks in a in
Africa waiting on new bank cards becauseI had been mugged and choked unconscious in
(09:18):
Johannesburg. Oh my gosh, wowum. And so it really wasn't going
smoothly. But so I flew fromJohannesburg to Vindhook and I met someone on
couch surfing up in the north ofNamibia that turned out to be missionaries in
bushman Land. And when I gotthere, eight bushmen were staying with them,
(09:43):
learning, you know, about theBible and this and that. And
I said to one of them,Oh, I'm looking for kun Taboo.
Who's the name of a bushman Ihad, a very famous healer, and
he said, yeah, you know, he's from my village. So when
a couple of days later I traveledwith them in a pickup truck out to
their village. I'm obviously paraphrasing alittle bit, but I mean, you
(10:03):
know, ever since I was mugged, this like just flowed unbelievably smoothly.
I was gonna say, You've gotsome unbelievable courage, not just to just
get in the back of a pickuptruck with a bunch of bushmen and go
out to who knows where, butalso the story you sent me with the
article you actually just you went alongwith some dude in the powell who could
(10:24):
very easily have absconded with you andeverything that there is about you, and
you never are heard from again.So I commend you for your courage,
but also whoa like, how didyou did you not? Were you not
worried at all? Like you notthink of yourself? I could potentially be
in danger here. I was readyto give my life for this. I
mean, yeah, I was inI was in trouble quite a few times.
(10:48):
I got lost in the mountains attimes. I was out in the
in the bush with the bushmen andhad hardly any food or water and stuff
like that. But the main point, I guess is, once this awakening
happened, and this was the path. Like, that's how strongly I felt
that this is what I'm supposed tobe doing. And I was. So
you were willing to take any risksnecessary because you knew this is where you
(11:09):
had to be, right and aslong as they were kind of on that
path, right, So not necessarilylike careless risks, Yeah, yeah,
right, risks that I thought werenecessary or you know, to get where
I had to go. And ifI thought I was in the right place,
I could not be dissuaded, youknow. And one example would come
up and one of the villages Iwas staying at in India. One thing
(11:31):
that people maybe don't know about India. Once you get to near the Chinese
border and you're a lone foreigner,everyone is very worried about you. You
know, it's not going to lookgood if a foreigner dies in the mountains
of India. So at some pointthese policemen were at this village, at
this one village, and they wereasking They saw me and they were like,
(11:52):
okay, where where are your papers? Where's your permission? Who's responsible
for you? That was a commontheme for me in India was who's response
for you? You know, andas an American it's kind of like,
you know, what are you talkingabout. I'm an adult, I'm responsible
for myself. But in India it'snot like that. And so there were
definitely times also aside from the physicaldanger, was you should not be here.
(12:13):
You know, what are you doinghere? Blah blah blah. Well,
we're just getting started. We needto take a break. But when
we come back, we are goingto get into the nitty of the interview,
specifically, how can you be sureyou're not being manipulated alive too in
a spiritual path, how you canget rid of soul contracts that can exist,
and of course the story of thecave. When we come right back,
(12:45):
and we're back today, we've gotMichael Falcone on the show. He
is a gentleman who has thrown himselfinto wild and wooly adventures in the path
of enlightenment, including being found ina cave right as the COVID pandemic was
first starting. We talked a lotabout how you started going down this path
(13:07):
and now would like to take itto the meat of the interview. You
mentioned that you knew of a waythat you could be sure that you weren't
manipulated or lied to on the spiritualpath, and not about Joe Schmo who
wants to take you twenty bucks onto road reading. You're talking about how
you can be sure that beings thatyou encounter on the spiritual path aren't leading
you as straight. Yeah, andall of this backstory that I've just told,
(13:31):
really the whole time I was beinglied to. So that is so
being like to by whom my dreamsMahamatar Babaji is the name that is incorrect.
The real name is Shiva. Andthis also came in the form of
shamanic dreams intuition. And if Ihad to describe talk about the dreams that
(13:52):
I've had on this path, andpart of any good lie, right is
a lot of it is true.So a lot of the dreams that I
would have are very act curate orprophetic or whatever else. But the end
line goal was in fact a lie. And just I guess to give the
punchline. How I got rid ofall this far too late for me was
(14:15):
using ritual medicine that I have fromAfrica from an initiated shaman, which is
actually to dissolve these contracts. AndI found a couple of other people online
talking about this, that when ahuman being incarnates onto earth, we come
in faced with the head archon orSatan or whatever you want to call him.
(14:35):
And well, so technically an archonis a false angel, right,
I believe? So, I mean, I'm not The crazy thing about this
is that I'm not the first.I don't think. The part of the
confirmation I got for this soul contractthing is, I don't know if you've
heard of Jay Christna Murdy. Sureso, Jay Christna Murdy was raised,
(15:00):
is you know, I think wasbrought around and nurtured by early women associated
with the Theosophical Society. And oneday he's the head of this order that
they created and things like that,and he gives a speech saying, I'm
dissolving this order. You know,humanity needs to be free. And the
follow on organization to the Theosophical Societywas the Summit Lighthouse, led by Clear
(15:26):
Profit and they they are all aboutconnecting with ascended masters and all this stuff.
One that they follow very closely isMaster kot Whumi. I'm not sure
if I'm saying that right. Butthen he says in his channeled messages to
members that the soul enters thousands ofcontracts before it enters onto this earth.
And so basically what I did wasdissolve those and all the things that were
(15:50):
happening to me, most most ofthem very very bad. Towards the end
stopped. I haven't talking mostly aboutthe good stuff for now. You know.
The end of the story was quitea nightmare for me. But well,
well, before we go any further, I want to take just a
step back and say, how doyou How did you find out you were
being lied to? Like? Whatwhat led you to just stop believing this
(16:11):
was the right path for you?How did you know that you need to
dissolve these contracts? Oh man?Okay, so this is a long story
from most of the time, thingswere very very good for me. You
know, there were times in themountains, you know, I hadn't drank
in three years. I didn't eatmeat for three years. You know,
I was very disciplined, and therewere sometimes I felt so good that I
(16:33):
just felt like celebrating, Like ifI had a glass of wine, you
know, I would take a drinkjust to celebrate how happy I was.
And a lot of the tests thatI was put through, saye for example,
of the fastening and the wilderness test, I failed it, you know,
so I know that was my fault. And I came back from the
mountains down to Rishikesh, and therewere all sorts of times like that where
(16:53):
you know, I kind of knew, like the tests I was being put
through and the messages and things thatwere being sent to me, and I
always kind of knew what was whatI was doing wrong or like what I've
messed up. Then at some pointBoba G slash whoever else was involved in
this, started manipulating things for meto get together with a woman. And
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one thing I've learned by the way, is that these archons, whatever they
are, nothing attracts their attention morethan relationships. And so now the test
was to be with this woman asopposed to him. Like so getting together
with this woman and then we wouldboth kind of be disciples of Boba G.
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At some point I failed in thisendeavor to the point where she left,
you know, we were both inRishikesh. She took off with friends
into the mountains, you know,herself, and I said, you know
what, it's either with her orI'm done. I failed, You know,
you involved someone else and at thatpoint I realized I was being lied
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to about things that were going on. A lot of the tests I were
being I was being sent were justcomplete nonsense. And I know a lot
of this is hard to imagine,but when I say tests, you know,
I'm talking about, say, ifI went to sleep at say eight
o'clock, having dreams from eight inthe morning until six am about you know,
what I'm supposed to do, whereI was supposed to go, meditation,
(18:22):
this and that, in addition tovisions during the day while I was
awake, messages coming intuitively, andat this point I knew I could kind
of gather, you know, thatthings were not right, and once I
started to not to disobey. Soactually disobeying these messages is what made me
realize, WHOA, this is reallywrong, because this being now it's angry
(18:45):
and vengeful and spiteful. It's likehaving instead of you know, pleasant dreams
and good feelings, all of asudden, it's like I have something in
my dreams that's just very, veryangry. Let me just make sure I'm
falling. When you started on thespiritual path, you were getting dreams and
you started, I guess devoting yourpath towards this particular entity, this being
(19:10):
what I thought that I was inpursuit of an ascended man, you know,
someone like say a Buddha or aJesus. Okay, and I don't
I don't think that is the caseat all. I don't think this was
an actual person. This turned outto be a being who then became very
angry when when you decided to turnyour back on it. Yeah, so
my question would be, what wasthe point of that being sending you these
(19:36):
dreams or lying to you about aparticular path. Is it you just got
energy from being a disciple of his? Well that that really is the million
dollar question, because I mean,you know, I'm pretty much a nobody.
I hold absolutely no real world power. So it makes which is another
reason I think these are not infact physical beings, because otherwise, surely
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a physical being would have something betterto do than mess with me. But
again, if you look at theChristiana Murdy story, what he was supposed
to be was the vehicle for theLord my Trea to enter the world.
And so that's kind of what Ibelieve is I was supposed to be the
vehicle for Shiva to enter the world. That speculation. I'm not sure what
else would make sense for why hewould care so much, right, someone
(20:23):
like me? So then how doessomeone watch out for that? How can
someone you hear a lot about theNew each movement and meditations and all that,
this five D consciousness ascension, allthis that we're all waking up to.
How can you tell when when you'rebeing led astray? First? And
second, how do you prevent itfrom happening or stop it let it started?
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Well, my recommendation would be is, if you are being sent dreams
you know that come true or aboutother people, or you feel like you
really are and you know connection withyou know, otherworldly entities, do these
rituals first? Make sure that thereare no contracts that allow you to be
(21:08):
let astray, lie to, ormanipulated. So I would I would do
that as a baseline, Which iswhy one thing for me and the spiritual
path is if I came across apiece of truth or something something that needed
really needed to be shared, Ihave to share it, you know.
For example, if I was senta dream for someone else, it was
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my responsibility to relay that. Andso that's that's really why I've decided to
you know, do podcasts is too. Well, I mean, I don't
know how many people are ever goingto hear this message, but I feel
like somewhat responsible knowing this to atleast get it out there. Sure,
sure, So then how does someonemove forward on this path without fear?
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Like? How do you open yourheart to these kinds of things? How
do you let Jesus or Buddha whateverinto you knowing that there was these entities
out there? Well, I thinkhow I want to answer that is that
what you want to do is openyour heart so that the same spirit of
Jesus is embodied through you. Now, I mean if it does, if
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that does mean to you that Ineed to literally let the spirit of a
being called Jesus into my heart,then, like I say, I would
still at least do these rituals tomake sure as that process is happening,
like nothing malevolent can come in,certainly not contractually. And if things do
(22:36):
come in, there are usually waysto get them out or mitigate what's happening
to you. But in the caseof Jesus or Buddha, as I say,
I would more advocate for what you'redoing is trying to open your own
heart and embody, you know,kind of the Jesus consciousness through your heart.
(22:56):
So I'm assuming these medicines you keeptalking about is the way for you
to cancel these soul contracts that wehave been talking about. Yeah, and
I will say that I've come acrossa couple of people that have meditation protocols
for this that you know, Iassume take a number of weeks or months.
This was me having this very powerfulspirit medicine was kind of a short
(23:22):
cut, got it done pretty quickly. And as I mentioned before, I
don't know if you caught it,but I got it. I got this
medicine from an initiated shaman. So, in other words, this medicine comes
from someone with a soul contract inessence to dispose, to act as a
shaman, to dispose medicine to youknow, interpret dreams, whatever the case
(23:48):
may be. So in other words, he is contracted, he's legit.
He's legit, right. So,in other words, if I found the
same medicine, now I am onthe spear Ritual crap list. So I
could never be thanks for changing thename of the list to crap. Yeah,
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I mean I really am, SoI could never be a you know,
t a shaman TM or whatever becauseof them or because of you,
because I would say, don't cutyourself out, like don't cut yourself short,
because anyone can change, anyone canmake themselves better than what they were
before. Well, having this contractto be a shaman through these contracts,
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I can't have that. I've cutthe contract thing out. And the second
thing is, for as much asmy life is gotten better and a lot
of the attack that was happening tome has gone away, my dreams one
hundred percent of my dreams for thepast two years have all been still nightmares
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and clearly not my own, clearlysent from as I say, these beings
are extremely vindictive. They do notforget I am on the crap list,
that is, that is one thingI have not been able to change.
So well, you know what theysay. Health has no fury like a
scorned it's virtual being. So yeah, I can imagine they could make your
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life a little a little difficult ifyou if you cross them. Yeah,
that's scary. Now. So mybackground is I'm Hispanic. So in my
culture we have like Grandetos, whichwhich you can go and get something like
this kind of cleansed out of you. Have you considered doing something like that
to get this thing off your back? So as I say, like,
all of that is gone, youknow, and I can very firmly distinguish
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what's me and what isn't. Solike I say, the only thing that
remains is the dreams. And Idon't really know why. I don't know
how I could possibly get rid ofthat. I also don't know how that's
possible to be sent dreams like this, But I don't know if anyone who
knows the physics of it, howthat's actually possible. But another thing,
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so this master could Humie as he'stalking through members of the Summit Lighthouse,
we'll say, if you are atrue initiate or a true candidate to be
you know, whatever electrodes are placedin your field or your aura. And
I have no idea what he meansby electrodes, but that's the language that
he uses, and that's literally whatit felt like. I don't know if
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you're familiar. I mean, there'sa lot of ways actually I can kind
of describe using movies or what itwas like for me. But you've seen
the cartoons with you know, you'vegot like an angel on your one shoulder
and a little devil on the other. Yep. Story, Well, they
say in India, I can't rememberwhich shoulder it is, but they say
Shiva's you know, sits on oneof your shoulders. And that's really what
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it was like, you know,it wasn't It was mostly like someone around
me or behind me a lot ofthe time. And then when things were
very bad. I don't know ifyou've saw X Men Apocalypse. I'm a
big comic book fan, so yep, I've seen them all. Well,
do you remember when Apocalypse was tryingto you take over the consciousness of Charles
Xavier. That's what this the badtimes were like from for me, like
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being trying something was trying to takeme over, like that I was always
still there, like this me infront of you was always still here,
just with something trying to take itover. So you've mentioned Shiva a few
times, and the Shiva that Iknow about is known as the destroyer in
Hindu tradition, but also the supremelord that creates, protects, transforms the
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universe like a god. But you'rekind of making that being out to sound
much more like a devil than agod. Is that your intent, Yeah,
and very well, as I say, vindictive, jealous, definitely jealous.
Jealousy is often a big theme whenyou're talking about gods, I feel
like, from whatever culture, butjealous, vindictive. And also another thing
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that led me to believe that theseare not physical entities is kind of stupid
also, and what I mean bythat I can describe this to you in
comic book terms as well. Haveyou seen The Watchman? Oh? Yeah,
I love The Watchman. Well,you know, so Doctor Manhattan.
You know, he undergoes that radioactiveaccident and he becomes this kind of I
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don't know, fourth or fifth dimensionalbeing, but he kind of loses touch
with humanity and reality and he becomeskind of morally questionable when he kills Roarsatch
at the end. And so whenI say these beings are stupid, they're
kind of they're stupid in a waythat is, if you didn't have a
three dimensional body, if you didn'thave consequences for your actions. So I
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would say that maybe instead of callinga all powerful being stupid, maybe naive
might be a better term. Sorry, naive or given? Yeah, well
it's definitely not I mean, maybepartially ego driven, but I think lost,
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lost. Sorry, even ignorant mightbe better than stupid. I mean,
it just feels like you're poking thebear a little too much, you
know. Yeah, Okay, I'msorry. I guess there might be a
little bit of leftover. Yeah.Well, I mean I think when I
think about all this fifth dimensional stuffand three D reality and what we're doing
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here and all the ramifications of that, I think this three D reality really
enables a lot of the I mean, we are capable of a huge spectrum
of emotion, incredible reasoning and thoughtprocesses because we live, you know,
we're having to eat and you know, go to the bathroom, and you
know, make money in this andthat. They're very real consequences to our
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actions. And so I think ifyou know, say I were to undergo
a radioactive experiment and become a fifthdimensional being that you know, I okay
better than stupid? Yeah right,I would lose touch with that reality.
There you go. But I thinkalso lose touch with what it's like to
be in that reality, what it'slike for other people. So maybe that
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means the loss of empathy. Maybein some situations, it also means a
desire, like let's say, youknow, you've read a drug trip about
someone that is completely egoists and isreally just looking for how do I get
back to that three D grounded reality. So if you're in a situation like
that after undergoing this radioactive experiment,you know, what would you become or
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what would you lose? And thatI think these beings that we're talking about
because they are not grounded in athree D reality and part are jealous of
it. Jealous is definitely the rightword in this case, perhaps seeking to
return to it, and as Isaid before, nothing seems to attract their
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attention more than relationships. You know, one thing we learned from the Bible
is the the fallen angels came downto Earth because women were so beautiful.
I mean, not a lie.Yeah it's not a lie, they are
but yeah, so I think theirdesire I think four a three D reality
from whatever state that they're in,has lost a lot in that transition.
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And whatever caused that transition, Iyou know, I'm not sure. Really
super interesting thought process and conversation,But now we got to get to the
nitty right the question that opened theentire episode, how did you get into
that damn cave? Okay, SoI mentioned before that I failed the test
in the mountains fasting because on daythirty four a group of geologists came over
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the ridge and they offered me abunch of food, and I ate a
bunch of food because you were hung. That's a win at days. Yeah,
anything over a day is a winto me. Supposed to be part
of the messages coming to me werethat this happened, by the way,
on six six, which I thought, you know, okay, this is
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the day of the beast, right, and my birthday was six ten,
so I kind of had like apremonition that is supposed to last until six
ten, but of course it endedon six six, though there was no
you're four days away. Well,and I've often wondered too, like what
if I ever succeeded on this path? You know what if? Um,
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it's almost by the way I failedso many times, it's almost as if
something was keeping me from it.It's like you won by losing. Yeah,
And also it sounds like someone orsomething was watching over you making sure
you did win by losing. Right. So as much as we're talking about
these beings, it's selfish beings.Yeah, there, you got to you
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gotta think there's something else out theretoo that's not quite so petty. Oh
well, I mean I could alsovery easily say at this point that I
don't. I think it would bevery hard to live without faith of something
in this universe, being as asfragile as we are in this three D
reality, eating and having to goto the bathroom and all this, and
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the power that I've seen that canbe wielded over us, Like I say,
I think it's it's very it wouldbe very hard to live without faith.
Anyway. So I also was senton a pilgrimage through the mountains that
was three months walking from Ladoc toket our Nath, where I was mostly
alone, going through high mountain passesand stuff like that. And when I
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got to ket our Nath, Iwas supposed to meet him up the lake
in the mountains and I was supposedto wait again, kind of this waiting
game, fasting snowstorm moved in.I left. I failed. I mean,
it's cold, yeah, lived,it was full. That's a win
to me. So anyway, afterI failed the fasting test, there were
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a whole bunch of different tests.I'm getting the chronology a bit mixed up.
I came down to Rishikesh again witha mind that maybe you know,
what am I going to do now? Because winter is coming and I had
gone into Paul you know, acouple of winters before, because you can't
really be in the mountains in Indiain the winter. My visa was expiring,
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so I needed a place to hangout in the pall. That's why
I found the house. For sixmonths, as I was in Rishikesh wondering
what the hell to do? Theheck to do? The message came that
you are a disciple of Mahavatar Babaji. He's accepted you. Now all that
there is is to meet him,and the masters of light and darkness are
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going to play a game of chessthat you have to win. Oh oh
my god, yeah, I'm outso every and describing even a single night
during this time of what was happeningto me and how you know, the
energy and everything. You know,I probably couldn't do it. But so
this game was every night and everymorning, and I failed every every morning,
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by the way, so once againit's like almost not possible to fail
as much as I did. Andthen of course this is going into twenty
twenty and uh, March comes around. COVID is kind of you know,
I'm kind of aware of it fromthe newspapers and stuff. But the police
come around to hotels and guest housessaying, do not take any more people.
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We don't want people traveling from outof state. And I was the
only guest in my guest house.So on you know, March eighteenth or
something, I went to re upmy stay and they said, you know,
you can't stay here anymore. Thepolice are on our back or whatever.
So I just started, you know, I was living outside, basically
sleeping on the gots by the Ganga, and happened to meet a couple of
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other people that were in a similarkind of situation. Like I said,
the guesthouses wouldn't take anywhere else totake anyone else, so I couldn't find
another place to stay. So therewere initially about nine of us that moved
out to this cave slash at thebeach of the river. So and we
were by the way. We wereWe were pretty good out there. We
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were having a good time. Wedidn't want to be found. We were
ninety nine percent outside, you know, bathing in the river and cooking our
own food. And and really isolated. You were isolated as you were safe
from the virus at that point.Pretty pretty isolated. Yeah, so,
I mean a couple of us wouldwalk to town every morning, buy some
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food and come back. But yeah, pretty isolated. So when they found
you, they said, what areyou doing here? What happened? Did
they then charge you with the crimeor did they send you home? What
happened after that? They didn't chargeus with a crime. They probably would
like to. As I said,you know, one of the top brass
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and the police you know, lookedat me, you know, pretty angry
with like who will be responsible foryou? And uh, you know once
again like I said, you know, foreign or dying on the beach of
the Ganga would not look very good. They didn't want that, so they
just they just quarantined us. Itwas supposed to be for two weeks.
We ended up being there for three. I guess they just didn't know what
to do with us really so andkind of locked us in there and forgot
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about us. When you when youwe emerged, well you shocked at how
bad it actually was everywhere. No, um no. So, India was
divided into a red, green,and orange zones. I think, and
I was in a green zone.So we were moved to another ashram after
that, and we were pretty muchfree to come and go. And I
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had been used to living in mountainsand caves, so my life wasn't much
different, you know. I justkind of went for walks, you know,
down to where we had been stayingbefore, and things were fairly open.
They weren't completely open, but theydidn't seem very bad where I was,
so I never really experienced COVID.I I kind of feel left out.
No, you're no, you didnot miss anything. No worries,
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all right, Michael, Thanks Soulso much for coming on and telling us
your story. This has been fascinating. If anyone wanted to reach out to
you and contact you, we're goingto go ahead and put your social media
links on our show notes. Yourstory is fascinating and one that I'm sure
a lot of people are probably goingto resonate with. So thanks for coming
on. Thank you well, thanksfor coming along on this journey discovery with
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hope you've enjoyed this episode as muchas we have. That's all for now.
We'll see you on the next episodeof the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Until then,
take care,
Karen. Yes, imagine spending threeyears living with bushman healers in the Kalahari
and Yogi's in the mountains of India. Then imagine being caught living in a
cave during the beginnings of COVID.Now what would these things possibly have in
common? You might ask, Well, I'm glad you asked, because it
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just so happens that this is preciselywhat our next guest experienced. Now,
living in a cave is not hisonly claim to fame. He's also had
shamanic training and ritual work. Hestudied with noted gurus. He's fast in
the mountains for thirty four days.In short, he's really dedicated his life
to the spiritual path it sounds likeit. And today he's coming to us
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with a very important message. Canyou guess what that is? I have
no idea what I'm dying to findout. Well, how can you be
sure you aren't being manipulated or lieto on the spiritual path like another spirit?
We wait to get some no nonsensetips on how to do that from
him, But we're also going tochat about how you can rid yourself of
any soul contracts that might exist.This is going to be a fun one.
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I can't wait to hear about thecave. My name is Will and
I'm Karen, and unlike Molder andScully, both want to believe. So
we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in
the spiritual and metaphysical world. We'vethrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.
I even joined a coven of witchesand wait, you joined a coven yep,
all on the interest of finding something, anything, that will prove that
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there's something beyond this physical, threedimensional world we all live in. This
is the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey,Will, Yes, Karen. You know
how we always try to talk aboutthe most uplifting stories and feature of these
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incredible guests on the show. Yeah, We're always trying to raise the vibrations
of the planet we are, andin doing so, every once in a
while will happen upon someone who's havinga bit of a struggle with that.
We recently spoke with someone who triedas he might, was not able to
really pull himself out of that lowerfrequency, and he had a really interesting
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story. You're talking about our guestsfor this week, Yes, the man
that lived in a cave, Theman who lived in the cave. Yes.
So this is a completely different typeof interview than we've ever done before,
And I think that's the one reasonwhy it's important to put it out
on the show, because not onlyin doing the show are we trying to
give people some ideas of what differentmodalities are like and what some different experiences
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are like. We really want toshow the whole gamut of possibilities of people's
realities. So what he experience hasnot been our experience, and it's hopefully
not an experience to anyone else weknow has experienced. Because he had a
really hard time, He really did, and it seems like he's still having
a bit of a hard time.So we're putting this out there hoping that
all of you all will listen toit and keep him in mind and help
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him to maybe raise his vibrations,send him some positive energy and some love.
Ye. If all of us thatlisten to the show do that for
him, I'm sure will be ableto help him overcome the deity that he
says is out to get him.There's no doubt about it. Now,
let's listen to his story. Welcometo the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm will and
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I'm caring, and today we've gotMichael Falcone in our studio. Now you
might remember him as the American whowas caught living in a cave at the
very beginning of the COVID pandemic.But what you don't know is how much
work he's put into his own spiritualgrowth. And he's going to let us
in on the secret to identifying whethersomeone in the spiritual field might really be
trying to help you or not.Michael, welcome to the show. Thank
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you, it's nice to be here. Everything that you mentioned, like the
fasting and the wilderness and stuff likethat, those were all kind of tests.
And so when you said earlier youknow how to make sure you're not
being lied to, I'm actually talkingnot lied to from physical being sitting in
front of you that's trying to milkyou of your money and stuff. I'm
talking about you know, dreams,intuition messages that are coming. So that's
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right. That is so much betterthan I thought it was. So yeah,
well okay, right, well thenin that case, let's go ahead
and start at the very beginning,How did you get to I want to
grow spiritually? What drove me tofinding the spiritual path was a completely broken
heart. Right, So I wasdropping weight for no reason, like I
was eating, but I was basicallykind of sick. Apparently in the medical
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field it is actually a thing like, you know, your heartbreaks and it
does have health ramifications, and Ireally needed healing, and obviously a medical
doctor wasn't going to be able tohelp with this particular problem. So I
got a healing from like a chikong master, which kind of helped a
little bit, but it didn't reallyget everything done, and I ended up
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contacting and working with a shaman thatI kind of just found online. It
was like, all right, youknow, I don't know what else to
do. So you were just kindof google searching some ways to get help,
because how do you go from aregular doctor to a che gung master?
Like that's not just like a nextstep sort of thing, ye about
this stuff? Or was it justyou searching and searching. I had a
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friend at work that was really intocheek kung, you know, so he
led me to that. From there, like I said, it was just
a lot of searching and one thingthis man that I worked with will will
tell people that he works with,is to knock on a lot of doors
before you find what works for you. Basically, that's really been my story
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for a long time, is knockingon a lot of doors. And before
I found what I thought was okay, the path I'm supposed to be on
and I'm going to Africa and Indiaand all that. So did you find
what you were looking for? Soyou study with this shaman, you participate
in these rituals, was shamanism?What was calling to you? Because the
shaman path and the gurus in India, for example, very different paths.
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How did those cross? How didyou get to where you were now?
During that time, one of theshamans that I was working with would also
say, well, in our society, you really can't just be a shaman.
You need something that is kind ofyour foundation, you know. So
for example, if I was adoctor, I can say, oh,
I'm you know, Michael Falcone anda doctor and I'm also a shaman,
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so people take me seriously. Inother words, During the beginning of this
journey, I actually joined the military. I was discharged for a condition existing
prior to service. Because of myfinger, because the radio listeners won't be
able to see that. But oneof my fingers is messed up, the
ring finger, one of the tendonsis messed up. But anyways, after
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I was discharged from the military,like and I was very depressed. I
had re entry depression is something thatone of the Shamans told me I kind
of had. You know, youspend a month in the wilderness, or
you spend a month in this orthat, and you come back to reality
quote unquote, you know, thereal world where you have to find a
job and all that, and you'redepressed because you know, you don't know
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what to do and nothing feels quiteright. So during this time I just
try to very basic simple meditation,and that meditation, I don't know,
I guess I got it really right, but it just opened my heart completely.
And I was kind of sitting there, you know, hating myself and
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wishing something that would happen that wouldget me out of this mess. Instead,
an incredible wave of peace came overme, and the thought that came
to me, they were kind ofwashed over me, was that I would
not make any more decisions based onwhat I thought others needed, and so
that maybe is really the beginning ofthis transitioning over to the Yogic path of
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the tiger, where you're you're basicallyon your own from the Shamanic. Then
felt the need to go to Indiaand study out there. Well, right
after this kind of awakening experience,I mean, obviously personally everything changed.
I didn't know exactly what I wasgoing to do with it, but this
is when Mahavatar Babaji came to mein a very vivid dream and didn't necessarily
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tell me to come find him,but you know, I had a couple
of dreams about it. And thenI had autobiography of a Yogi sitting in
my garage when out picked it upand having to turn on the page where
he's talking about who the Bobaje is, and I kind of like threw the
book out of my hands. Iwas like, oh my god, that's
you know, that's him. Andso from that point, you know,
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I started making plans, saving money. I was going to go to India,
starting in Africa actually with the Bushman, because that was always kind of
on my bucket list. I guessI don't remember why. That was always
kind of first on the list.But I was the reception when you went
to Africa and India and you said, hey, I'm here to study with
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you all. You look very differentthan the bushman and the Indian gurus.
So were you accepted right away?Was it difficult? What was that experience
like? That? Was not sodifficult? The the Africa story is really
so I spent my first two ortwo and a half weeks in a in
Africa waiting on new bank cards becauseI had been mugged and choked unconscious in
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Johannesburg. Oh my gosh, wowum. And so it really wasn't going
smoothly. But so I flew fromJohannesburg to Vindhook and I met someone on
couch surfing up in the north ofNamibia that turned out to be missionaries in
bushman Land. And when I gotthere, eight bushmen were staying with them,
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learning, you know, about theBible and this and that. And
I said to one of them,Oh, I'm looking for kun Taboo.
Who's the name of a bushman Ihad, a very famous healer, and
he said, yeah, you know, he's from my village. So when
a couple of days later I traveledwith them in a pickup truck out to
their village. I'm obviously paraphrasing alittle bit, but I mean, you
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know, ever since I was mugged, this like just flowed unbelievably smoothly.
I was gonna say, You've gotsome unbelievable courage, not just to just
get in the back of a pickuptruck with a bunch of bushmen and go
out to who knows where, butalso the story you sent me with the
article you actually just you went alongwith some dude in the powell who could
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very easily have absconded with you andeverything that there is about you, and
you never are heard from again.So I commend you for your courage,
but also whoa like, how didyou did you not? Were you not
worried at all? Like you notthink of yourself? I could potentially be
in danger here. I was readyto give my life for this. I
mean, yeah, I was inI was in trouble quite a few times.
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I got lost in the mountains attimes. I was out in the
in the bush with the bushmen andhad hardly any food or water and stuff
like that. But the main point, I guess is, once this awakening
happened, and this was the path. Like, that's how strongly I felt
that this is what I'm supposed tobe doing. And I was. So
you were willing to take any risksnecessary because you knew this is where you
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had to be, right and aslong as they were kind of on that
path, right, So not necessarilylike careless risks, Yeah, yeah,
right, risks that I thought werenecessary or you know, to get where
I had to go. And ifI thought I was in the right place,
I could not be dissuaded, youknow. And one example would come
up and one of the villages Iwas staying at in India. One thing
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that people maybe don't know about India. Once you get to near the Chinese
border and you're a lone foreigner,everyone is very worried about you. You
know, it's not going to lookgood if a foreigner dies in the mountains
of India. So at some pointthese policemen were at this village, at
this one village, and they wereasking They saw me and they were like,
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okay, where where are your papers? Where's your permission? Who's responsible
for you? That was a commontheme for me in India was who's response
for you? You know, andas an American it's kind of like,
you know, what are you talkingabout. I'm an adult, I'm responsible
for myself. But in India it'snot like that. And so there were
definitely times also aside from the physicaldanger, was you should not be here.
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You know, what are you doinghere? Blah blah blah. Well,
we're just getting started. We needto take a break. But when
we come back, we are goingto get into the nitty of the interview,
specifically, how can you be sureyou're not being manipulated alive too in
a spiritual path, how you canget rid of soul contracts that can exist,
and of course the story of thecave. When we come right back,
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and we're back today, we've gotMichael Falcone on the show. He
is a gentleman who has thrown himselfinto wild and wooly adventures in the path
of enlightenment, including being found ina cave right as the COVID pandemic was
first starting. We talked a lotabout how you started going down this path
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and now would like to take itto the meat of the interview. You
mentioned that you knew of a waythat you could be sure that you weren't
manipulated or lied to on the spiritualpath, and not about Joe Schmo who
wants to take you twenty bucks onto road reading. You're talking about how
you can be sure that beings thatyou encounter on the spiritual path aren't leading
you as straight. Yeah, andall of this backstory that I've just told,
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really the whole time I was beinglied to. So that is so
being like to by whom my dreamsMahamatar Babaji is the name that is incorrect.
The real name is Shiva. Andthis also came in the form of
shamanic dreams intuition. And if Ihad to describe talk about the dreams that
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I've had on this path, andpart of any good lie, right is
a lot of it is true.So a lot of the dreams that I
would have are very act curate orprophetic or whatever else. But the end
line goal was in fact a lie. And just I guess to give the
punchline. How I got rid ofall this far too late for me was
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using ritual medicine that I have fromAfrica from an initiated shaman, which is
actually to dissolve these contracts. AndI found a couple of other people online
talking about this, that when ahuman being incarnates onto earth, we come
in faced with the head archon orSatan or whatever you want to call him.
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And well, so technically an archonis a false angel, right,
I believe? So, I mean, I'm not The crazy thing about this
is that I'm not the first.I don't think. The part of the
confirmation I got for this soul contractthing is, I don't know if you've
heard of Jay Christna Murdy. Sureso, Jay Christna Murdy was raised,
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is you know, I think wasbrought around and nurtured by early women associated
with the Theosophical Society. And oneday he's the head of this order that
they created and things like that,and he gives a speech saying, I'm
dissolving this order. You know,humanity needs to be free. And the
follow on organization to the Theosophical Societywas the Summit Lighthouse, led by Clear
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Profit and they they are all aboutconnecting with ascended masters and all this stuff.
One that they follow very closely isMaster kot Whumi. I'm not sure
if I'm saying that right. Butthen he says in his channeled messages to
members that the soul enters thousands ofcontracts before it enters onto this earth.
And so basically what I did wasdissolve those and all the things that were
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happening to me, most most ofthem very very bad. Towards the end
stopped. I haven't talking mostly aboutthe good stuff for now. You know.
The end of the story was quitea nightmare for me. But well,
well, before we go any further, I want to take just a
step back and say, how doyou How did you find out you were
being lied to? Like? Whatwhat led you to just stop believing this
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was the right path for you?How did you know that you need to
dissolve these contracts? Oh man?Okay, so this is a long story
from most of the time, thingswere very very good for me. You
know, there were times in themountains, you know, I hadn't drank
in three years. I didn't eatmeat for three years. You know,
I was very disciplined, and therewere sometimes I felt so good that I
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just felt like celebrating, Like ifI had a glass of wine, you
know, I would take a drinkjust to celebrate how happy I was.
And a lot of the tests thatI was put through, saye for example,
of the fastening and the wilderness test, I failed it, you know,
so I know that was my fault. And I came back from the
mountains down to Rishikesh, and therewere all sorts of times like that where
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you know, I kind of knew, like the tests I was being put
through and the messages and things thatwere being sent to me, and I
always kind of knew what was whatI was doing wrong or like what I've
messed up. Then at some pointBoba G slash whoever else was involved in
this, started manipulating things for meto get together with a woman. And
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one thing I've learned by the way, is that these archons, whatever they
are, nothing attracts their attention morethan relationships. And so now the test
was to be with this woman asopposed to him. Like so getting together
with this woman and then we wouldboth kind of be disciples of Boba G.
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At some point I failed in thisendeavor to the point where she left,
you know, we were both inRishikesh. She took off with friends
into the mountains, you know,herself, and I said, you know
what, it's either with her orI'm done. I failed, You know,
you involved someone else and at thatpoint I realized I was being lied
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to about things that were going on. A lot of the tests I were
being I was being sent were justcomplete nonsense. And I know a lot
of this is hard to imagine,but when I say tests, you know,
I'm talking about, say, ifI went to sleep at say eight
o'clock, having dreams from eight inthe morning until six am about you know,
what I'm supposed to do, whereI was supposed to go, meditation,
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this and that, in addition tovisions during the day while I was
awake, messages coming intuitively, andat this point I knew I could kind
of gather, you know, thatthings were not right, and once I
started to not to disobey. Soactually disobeying these messages is what made me
realize, WHOA, this is reallywrong, because this being now it's angry
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and vengeful and spiteful. It's likehaving instead of you know, pleasant dreams
and good feelings, all of asudden, it's like I have something in
my dreams that's just very, veryangry. Let me just make sure I'm
falling. When you started on thespiritual path, you were getting dreams and
you started, I guess devoting yourpath towards this particular entity, this being
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what I thought that I was inpursuit of an ascended man, you know,
someone like say a Buddha or aJesus. Okay, and I don't
I don't think that is the caseat all. I don't think this was
an actual person. This turned outto be a being who then became very
angry when when you decided to turnyour back on it. Yeah, so
my question would be, what wasthe point of that being sending you these
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dreams or lying to you about aparticular path. Is it you just got
energy from being a disciple of his? Well that that really is the million
dollar question, because I mean,you know, I'm pretty much a nobody.
I hold absolutely no real world power. So it makes which is another
reason I think these are not infact physical beings, because otherwise, surely
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a physical being would have something betterto do than mess with me. But
again, if you look at theChristiana Murdy story, what he was supposed
to be was the vehicle for theLord my Trea to enter the world.
And so that's kind of what Ibelieve is I was supposed to be the
vehicle for Shiva to enter the world. That speculation. I'm not sure what
else would make sense for why hewould care so much, right, someone
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like me? So then how doessomeone watch out for that? How can
someone you hear a lot about theNew each movement and meditations and all that,
this five D consciousness ascension, allthis that we're all waking up to.
How can you tell when when you'rebeing led astray? First? And
second, how do you prevent itfrom happening or stop it let it started?
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Well, my recommendation would be is, if you are being sent dreams
you know that come true or aboutother people, or you feel like you
really are and you know connection withyou know, otherworldly entities, do these
rituals first? Make sure that thereare no contracts that allow you to be
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let astray, lie to, ormanipulated. So I would I would do
that as a baseline, Which iswhy one thing for me and the spiritual
path is if I came across apiece of truth or something something that needed
really needed to be shared, Ihave to share it, you know.
For example, if I was senta dream for someone else, it was
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my responsibility to relay that. Andso that's that's really why I've decided to
you know, do podcasts is too. Well, I mean, I don't
know how many people are ever goingto hear this message, but I feel
like somewhat responsible knowing this to atleast get it out there. Sure,
sure, So then how does someonemove forward on this path without fear?
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Like? How do you open yourheart to these kinds of things? How
do you let Jesus or Buddha whateverinto you knowing that there was these entities
out there? Well, I thinkhow I want to answer that is that
what you want to do is openyour heart so that the same spirit of
Jesus is embodied through you. Now, I mean if it does, if
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that does mean to you that Ineed to literally let the spirit of a
being called Jesus into my heart,then, like I say, I would
still at least do these rituals tomake sure as that process is happening,
like nothing malevolent can come in,certainly not contractually. And if things do
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come in, there are usually waysto get them out or mitigate what's happening
to you. But in the caseof Jesus or Buddha, as I say,
I would more advocate for what you'redoing is trying to open your own
heart and embody, you know,kind of the Jesus consciousness through your heart.
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So I'm assuming these medicines you keeptalking about is the way for you
to cancel these soul contracts that wehave been talking about. Yeah, and
I will say that I've come acrossa couple of people that have meditation protocols
for this that you know, Iassume take a number of weeks or months.
This was me having this very powerfulspirit medicine was kind of a short
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cut, got it done pretty quickly. And as I mentioned before, I
don't know if you caught it,but I got it. I got this
medicine from an initiated shaman. So, in other words, this medicine comes
from someone with a soul contract inessence to dispose, to act as a
shaman, to dispose medicine to youknow, interpret dreams, whatever the case
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may be. So in other words, he is contracted, he's legit.
He's legit, right. So,in other words, if I found the
same medicine, now I am onthe spear Ritual crap list. So I
could never be thanks for changing thename of the list to crap. Yeah,
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I mean I really am, SoI could never be a you know,
t a shaman TM or whatever becauseof them or because of you,
because I would say, don't cutyourself out, like don't cut yourself short,
because anyone can change, anyone canmake themselves better than what they were
before. Well, having this contractto be a shaman through these contracts,
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I can't have that. I've cutthe contract thing out. And the second
thing is, for as much asmy life is gotten better and a lot
of the attack that was happening tome has gone away, my dreams one
hundred percent of my dreams for thepast two years have all been still nightmares
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and clearly not my own, clearlysent from as I say, these beings
are extremely vindictive. They do notforget I am on the crap list,
that is, that is one thingI have not been able to change.
So well, you know what theysay. Health has no fury like a
scorned it's virtual being. So yeah, I can imagine they could make your
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life a little a little difficult ifyou if you cross them. Yeah,
that's scary. Now. So mybackground is I'm Hispanic. So in my
culture we have like Grandetos, whichwhich you can go and get something like
this kind of cleansed out of you. Have you considered doing something like that
to get this thing off your back? So as I say, like,
all of that is gone, youknow, and I can very firmly distinguish
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what's me and what isn't. Solike I say, the only thing that
remains is the dreams. And Idon't really know why. I don't know
how I could possibly get rid ofthat. I also don't know how that's
possible to be sent dreams like this, But I don't know if anyone who
knows the physics of it, howthat's actually possible. But another thing,
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so this master could Humie as he'stalking through members of the Summit Lighthouse,
we'll say, if you are atrue initiate or a true candidate to be
you know, whatever electrodes are placedin your field or your aura. And
I have no idea what he meansby electrodes, but that's the language that
he uses, and that's literally whatit felt like. I don't know if
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you're familiar. I mean, there'sa lot of ways actually I can kind
of describe using movies or what itwas like for me. But you've seen
the cartoons with you know, you'vegot like an angel on your one shoulder
and a little devil on the other. Yep. Story, Well, they
say in India, I can't rememberwhich shoulder it is, but they say
Shiva's you know, sits on oneof your shoulders. And that's really what
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it was like, you know,it wasn't It was mostly like someone around
me or behind me a lot ofthe time. And then when things were
very bad. I don't know ifyou've saw X Men Apocalypse. I'm a
big comic book fan, so yep, I've seen them all. Well,
do you remember when Apocalypse was tryingto you take over the consciousness of Charles
Xavier. That's what this the badtimes were like from for me, like
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being trying something was trying to takeme over, like that I was always
still there, like this me infront of you was always still here,
just with something trying to take itover. So you've mentioned Shiva a few
times, and the Shiva that Iknow about is known as the destroyer in
Hindu tradition, but also the supremelord that creates, protects, transforms the
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universe like a god. But you'rekind of making that being out to sound
much more like a devil than agod. Is that your intent, Yeah,
and very well, as I say, vindictive, jealous, definitely jealous.
Jealousy is often a big theme whenyou're talking about gods, I feel
like, from whatever culture, butjealous, vindictive. And also another thing
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that led me to believe that theseare not physical entities is kind of stupid
also, and what I mean bythat I can describe this to you in
comic book terms as well. Haveyou seen The Watchman? Oh? Yeah,
I love The Watchman. Well,you know, so Doctor Manhattan.
You know, he undergoes that radioactiveaccident and he becomes this kind of I
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don't know, fourth or fifth dimensionalbeing, but he kind of loses touch
with humanity and reality and he becomeskind of morally questionable when he kills Roarsatch
at the end. And so whenI say these beings are stupid, they're
kind of they're stupid in a waythat is, if you didn't have a
three dimensional body, if you didn'thave consequences for your actions. So I
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would say that maybe instead of callinga all powerful being stupid, maybe naive
might be a better term. Sorry, naive or given? Yeah, well
it's definitely not I mean, maybepartially ego driven, but I think lost,
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lost. Sorry, even ignorant mightbe better than stupid. I mean,
it just feels like you're poking thebear a little too much, you
know. Yeah, Okay, I'msorry. I guess there might be a
little bit of leftover. Yeah.Well, I mean I think when I
think about all this fifth dimensional stuffand three D reality and what we're doing
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here and all the ramifications of that, I think this three D reality really
enables a lot of the I mean, we are capable of a huge spectrum
of emotion, incredible reasoning and thoughtprocesses because we live, you know,
we're having to eat and you know, go to the bathroom, and you
know, make money in this andthat. They're very real consequences to our
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actions. And so I think ifyou know, say I were to undergo
a radioactive experiment and become a fifthdimensional being that you know, I okay
better than stupid? Yeah right,I would lose touch with that reality.
There you go. But I thinkalso lose touch with what it's like to
be in that reality, what it'slike for other people. So maybe that
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means the loss of empathy. Maybein some situations, it also means a
desire, like let's say, youknow, you've read a drug trip about
someone that is completely egoists and isreally just looking for how do I get
back to that three D grounded reality. So if you're in a situation like
that after undergoing this radioactive experiment,you know, what would you become or
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what would you lose? And thatI think these beings that we're talking about
because they are not grounded in athree D reality and part are jealous of
it. Jealous is definitely the rightword in this case, perhaps seeking to
return to it, and as Isaid before, nothing seems to attract their
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attention more than relationships. You know, one thing we learned from the Bible
is the the fallen angels came downto Earth because women were so beautiful.
I mean, not a lie.Yeah it's not a lie, they are
but yeah, so I think theirdesire I think four a three D reality
from whatever state that they're in,has lost a lot in that transition.
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And whatever caused that transition, Iyou know, I'm not sure. Really
super interesting thought process and conversation,But now we got to get to the
nitty right the question that opened theentire episode, how did you get into
that damn cave? Okay, SoI mentioned before that I failed the test
in the mountains fasting because on daythirty four a group of geologists came over
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the ridge and they offered me abunch of food, and I ate a
bunch of food because you were hung. That's a win at days. Yeah,
anything over a day is a winto me. Supposed to be part
of the messages coming to me werethat this happened, by the way,
on six six, which I thought, you know, okay, this is
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the day of the beast, right, and my birthday was six ten,
so I kind of had like apremonition that is supposed to last until six
ten, but of course it endedon six six, though there was no
you're four days away. Well,and I've often wondered too, like what
if I ever succeeded on this path? You know what if? Um,
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it's almost by the way I failedso many times, it's almost as if
something was keeping me from it.It's like you won by losing. Yeah,
And also it sounds like someone orsomething was watching over you making sure
you did win by losing. Right. So as much as we're talking about
these beings, it's selfish beings.Yeah, there, you got to you
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gotta think there's something else out theretoo that's not quite so petty. Oh
well, I mean I could alsovery easily say at this point that I
don't. I think it would bevery hard to live without faith of something
in this universe, being as asfragile as we are in this three D
reality, eating and having to goto the bathroom and all this, and
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the power that I've seen that canbe wielded over us, Like I say,
I think it's it's very it wouldbe very hard to live without faith.
Anyway. So I also was senton a pilgrimage through the mountains that
was three months walking from Ladoc toket our Nath, where I was mostly
alone, going through high mountain passesand stuff like that. And when I
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got to ket our Nath, Iwas supposed to meet him up the lake
in the mountains and I was supposedto wait again, kind of this waiting
game, fasting snowstorm moved in.I left. I failed. I mean,
it's cold, yeah, lived,it was full. That's a win
to me. So anyway, afterI failed the fasting test, there were
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a whole bunch of different tests.I'm getting the chronology a bit mixed up.
I came down to Rishikesh again witha mind that maybe you know,
what am I going to do now? Because winter is coming and I had
gone into Paul you know, acouple of winters before, because you can't
really be in the mountains in Indiain the winter. My visa was expiring,
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so I needed a place to hangout in the pall. That's why
I found the house. For sixmonths, as I was in Rishikesh wondering
what the hell to do? Theheck to do? The message came that
you are a disciple of Mahavatar Babaji. He's accepted you. Now all that
there is is to meet him,and the masters of light and darkness are
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going to play a game of chessthat you have to win. Oh oh
my god, yeah, I'm outso every and describing even a single night
during this time of what was happeningto me and how you know, the
energy and everything. You know,I probably couldn't do it. But so
this game was every night and everymorning, and I failed every every morning,
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by the way, so once againit's like almost not possible to fail
as much as I did. Andthen of course this is going into twenty
twenty and uh, March comes around. COVID is kind of you know,
I'm kind of aware of it fromthe newspapers and stuff. But the police
come around to hotels and guest housessaying, do not take any more people.
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We don't want people traveling from outof state. And I was the
only guest in my guest house.So on you know, March eighteenth or
something, I went to re upmy stay and they said, you know,
you can't stay here anymore. Thepolice are on our back or whatever.
So I just started, you know, I was living outside, basically
sleeping on the gots by the Ganga, and happened to meet a couple of
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other people that were in a similarkind of situation. Like I said,
the guesthouses wouldn't take anywhere else totake anyone else, so I couldn't find
another place to stay. So therewere initially about nine of us that moved
out to this cave slash at thebeach of the river. So and we
were by the way. We wereWe were pretty good out there. We
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were having a good time. Wedidn't want to be found. We were
ninety nine percent outside, you know, bathing in the river and cooking our
own food. And and really isolated. You were isolated as you were safe
from the virus at that point.Pretty pretty isolated. Yeah, so,
I mean a couple of us wouldwalk to town every morning, buy some
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food and come back. But yeah, pretty isolated. So when they found
you, they said, what areyou doing here? What happened? Did
they then charge you with the crimeor did they send you home? What
happened after that? They didn't chargeus with a crime. They probably would
like to. As I said,you know, one of the top brass
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and the police you know, lookedat me, you know, pretty angry
with like who will be responsible foryou? And uh, you know once
again like I said, you know, foreign or dying on the beach of
the Ganga would not look very good. They didn't want that, so they
just they just quarantined us. Itwas supposed to be for two weeks.
We ended up being there for three. I guess they just didn't know what
to do with us really so andkind of locked us in there and forgot
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about us. When you when youwe emerged, well you shocked at how
bad it actually was everywhere. No, um no. So, India was
divided into a red, green,and orange zones. I think, and
I was in a green zone.So we were moved to another ashram after
that, and we were pretty muchfree to come and go. And I
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had been used to living in mountainsand caves, so my life wasn't much
different, you know. I justkind of went for walks, you know,
down to where we had been stayingbefore, and things were fairly open.
They weren't completely open, but theydidn't seem very bad where I was,
so I never really experienced COVID.I I kind of feel left out.
No, you're no, you didnot miss anything. No worries,
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all right, Michael, Thanks Soulso much for coming on and telling us
your story. This has been fascinating. If anyone wanted to reach out to
you and contact you, we're goingto go ahead and put your social media
links on our show notes. Yourstory is fascinating and one that I'm sure
a lot of people are probably goingto resonate with. So thanks for coming
on. Thank you well, thanksfor coming along on this journey discovery with
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