One Truth, Many Paths: Our Soul Awakening with Kara Goodwin

What happens when two spiritual explorers known for their curiosity and discernment get interviewed themselves?
 
In this special crossover episode, The Skeptic Metaphysicians, Will and Karen, take a turn in the guest seat on Soul Elevation with Kara Goodwin. It’s a beautifully candid conversation that dives deep into their personal awakenings, unexpected metaphysical experiences (wait till you hear about “the nut”), and the power of spiritual discernment in a world full of noise.
 
Why are we sharing this? Because Kara Goodwin, the brilliant host of Soul Elevation, is our next guest on The Skeptic Metaphysicians! So before we flip the mic on her, we’re giving you a front-row seat to the heart-expanding chat we had on her show.

What You’ll Discover:

• Why “One Truth, Many Paths” is more than just a motto; it’s a spiritual compass.
• The difference between healthy skepticism and spiritual cynicism.
• How Karen’s lifelong intuitive connection, and a ghost, saved her life.
• Will’s turning point from existential crisis to metaphysical mission.
• The mind-bending “missing nut” story that defies explanation (you’ll never see timelines the same way again).
• A spontaneous timeline jump… involving a milk carton?!
• Why discernment is crucial when exploring spiritual teachers and modalities.
• How New Reality TV is reshaping conscious media without fear, politics, or divisiveness.

Quotable Moments:
“If you think the world is a non-magical place… it absolutely will be.” – Will

“All these people are saying the same thing in different languages; love, light, community.” – Karen

“We’re not skeptics anymore...but our audience is. That’s who we’re here to serve.” – Will

“It wasn’t fear… it was a ghost who literally saved my life.” – Karen

“Discernment, not cynicism. That’s the real spiritual tool.” – Kara

Don’t Miss:
This conversation also previews the mission behind NewRealityTV.com, your new conscious content home featuring 40+ shows, each with dozens of episodes, meditations, and activations from spiritual leaders around the world; no fear-mongering, no politics, just high-frequency content. 

Learn more at: NewRealityTV.com
Catch Kara’s podcast: Soul Elevation with Kara Goodwin
Listen to our main show: The Skeptic Metaphysicians

This episode is perfect for:

• Seekers navigating spiritual awakening with healthy skepticism
• Anyone who’s been burned by “guru culture” and is craving authenticity
• Listeners curious about timeline shifts, energy work, and real-life magic
• Fans of Kara Goodwin’s soothing, insightful style

Stay tuned...next up, we interview Kara, and trust us… you’ll want to catch that one.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey there, it's Will. I'm glad that you're here. This
episode is a little bit different. It's actually a feed
drop from another show that we were on. Kara Goodwin
hosts the show Soul Elevation, and we are about to
release her interview here our next premiere release on Wednesday.

(00:21):
In the meantime, we wanted to give you a glimpse
into what the conversation was when we were guests on
her show, so we're releasing the full episode of her
show here now for you so that you can get
a taste for what awaits you on our next new release.
I hope you enjoy listening to it as much as

(00:42):
Karen and I enjoyed being on it. She's really wonderful
and we think you would like it. Without further ado,
here is Soul Elevation with Kara Goodwin with special guests
Karen and I.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Welcome to Soul Elevation, Guiding your Sension to New Heights.
I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. I'm so excited for you
to dive into this episode. With the hosts of the
popular Skeptic Metaphysicians podcast, Will Rodriguez and Karen Ensley, they
have some great stories to share about the mysteries they've
experienced since their spiritual awakening and the role of skepticism

(01:27):
and discernment. You're going to be inspired, odd and even
get some laughs from this episode. Will and Karen are
the dynamic duo behind the Skeptic Metaphysicians podcast, where spiritual
seekers and curious skeptics alike come to explore the mysteries
of consciousness. Will a self described metaphysical maverick, brings curiosity, humor,

(01:49):
and visionary drive to every episode, guiding listeners through topics
like energy healing, near death experiences, and esoteric wisdom, and
Karen balances ride with her intuitive insight, grounded discernment, and
heart centered presence, making even the most far out ideas
feel relatable. Together, they ask the big questions, challenge assumptions,

(02:12):
and invite us all to explore one truth many paths.
Their warm, witty chemistry has made their show a go
to for spiritual exploration and soul substance, and it's safe
to say that if you love the Soul Elevation podcast,
you're going to love their podcast too. So we'll get
started in just a moment, but first, please be sure
to check out all the great resources at Karagodwin dot com.

(02:36):
You can find out about my new book, You're Authentic Awakening.
I have free meditations. Under the free resources section, you
can learn to meditate, get your own personalized meditation, and
sign up for my upcoming online summit. I have so
many ways for you to nurture your spiritual evolution. And
if you're loving the podcast, it would really mean so

(02:57):
much if you send it along to others, scribe, and review.
I'd really appreciate your support and now enjoy this episode.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
By the way, I'm not sure if you're aware, but
congratulations making the top one hundred spiritual podcasts on one
million podcasts. I'm not sure if you know about that
or not.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I don't know where did you see that?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Actually? On Twitter?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
They actually they posted the link to it, and I
went to go see keep my fingers crossed, and sure
enough we were there, but so were you. So it
was nice to great, nice to see familiar face.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, thank you, congratulations to you too.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Thank you. That was not a fishing for compliment moment,
I promised, of course.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
But where when did that come out? Was that a
few months ago?

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yesterday? Actually?

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, well then, yeah, I definitely haven't heard that. So well,
that's awesome. I'll have to look into what was the source.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Again, one million podcasts. I'll send you the link you have.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
It, Okay, thank you, Okay, Well, welcome Bill and Karen.
I'm so excited to have you here. Thank you so
much for being here today.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Thanks for the invitation. We're thrilled to be on your show, absolutely, and.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I can't wait to come on yours too. We're going
to do a little pod swap which is going to
be awesome.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, so you have to tune in for part two
later on in our show.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
That's right. So I want to start by exploring the
one truth minipaths philosophy, which resonates so deeply with me. Also,
but I know that this is kind of the foundation
that your mission is built upon. So tell us what
this means and how it informs your work and passion
through the Skeptic Metaphysicians podcast and New Reality TV.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Sure, just just what it sounds like. To give you
a little bit of a background. Before I dove into
this world, I was very much one of those guys
that knew exactly the truth of life in every single
way and everything outside of that scope was absolutely wrong.
How could they possibly tool? I, like many people, had

(05:01):
a existential crisis right during COVID and realized what am
I doing? So we started doing the skeptic betemosicians because
I was seeking to find I look myself in the mirror,
did not like what I saw, didn't like how judgmental
I was, how angry it was all the time. So
it was a It was an attempt for me to

(05:23):
wrap my head around what is the truth? I figured
if I talked enough people, the truth will emerge.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
And so.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I have a one of my favorite stories that that
I learned a while back. If you don't mind, I'd
love to share it with you in your audience right now.
One day God was standing on his mountain of Truth
and he was looking down in the world, and he
likes what he sees, so he leans over a little
bit to get a closer look. But as he does so,
he loses his footing on the mountain of truth, and

(05:56):
as he scrambles to catch his footing, a few pebbles
from the mountain of truth fall down onto the world,
and he goes oh. And he looks over the edge
to see what just happened, and as he's looking, he
sees all the people from the world running grabbing these pebbles,
raising them over their heads and exclaiming, I have the truth,

(06:16):
when in essence, all they had was one of the
little pebbles from the mountain of truth. So when I
realized that this was the reality of it all, suddenly
it opened up everything.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
And we really saw that reflected in all of the
interviews that we've had, because we've had a few hundred,
and we have interviewed some incredible people and so many
different modalities. We are still learning about new ones that
we had no idea existed. But there is a very
central theme or message that we're getting in these interviews,
and really it's it's about love and light and community,

(06:52):
and it's all the same. They're saying it differently, but
all of these people are telling us the same thing.
So that kind of reinforces you what Will was saying
and everything that we've already been talking about. The many paths,
because like I said, many different modalities, but it's all
the same message, just different languages.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I love that and I think that that resonates with
so many people because even on the spiritual path, you know,
when you talk about you thought you knew everything and
every you knew where you know, if you didn't believe it, it
wasn't true type of thing I presume you mean. Was
that more in the material world or was that from
like a religious spirituality perspective just everything?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
A little bit of both.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Actually, I was raised Catholic, but I wasn't really truly
a practicing Catholic. But I had the tenets of Catholicism
drilled into me over the course of my upbringing. But
mostly it was in the material world because I wasn't as.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I wasn't as bought in.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I guess to the religious part of it that that
thought process came in.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
It just seemed to every part of my life.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
But remember, one of the biggest arguments that Karen and
I had was when we were going to send our
daughter to preschool, and Karen had heard that this research.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
She researched. My bad, so sorry. She researched the fact that.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
The best school, the best preschool in our area happened
to be a.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Presbyterian school.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
And I was a ghaest because there's no way that
I'm going to allow my child to be fed the
dogma and the fear based thought processes that come with
that type of organized religion, and we had this knockout
drag out only to find it, only to find years

(08:45):
later that wow, was I just so myopically thinking and
looking at things. Because she had a wonderful preschool and
they didn't brainwash her into thinking anything, she was able
to actually come up with her own modalies. That she's
fourteen now she's got a little bit more of a
sense of what's real for her.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
And it has nothing to do with anything.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
That we taught her or the school taught her. If
she came up on it on her own. And that's
another example of how everyone has a different path and
we support that wholeheartedly.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
One of the differences during this argument, I remember, you
were just these people just believe so blindly, and so yes,
maybe they believe things that you know, we didn't believe
or don't believe or did, but it's kind of nice
to have that amount of faith and whatever you believe in,
just to know that that is your truth and you

(09:36):
just couldn't see it just like, well, it's not my truth,
so it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, Well it's funny because this, of course we recognize
this with religion with spirituality, especially in the context of
like our podcasts for example, you know, that's what we're
exploring regularly. But this happens even within the scientific community
or even within like an agnostic or an a a

(10:00):
theistic viewpoint, where it's like there's almost so much of
this like clenching to what you know even when you
don't know, Like even when you're claiming that you don't know,
it's like yeah, but there there's still this clutching of like,
well it can't be because I haven't seen the proof

(10:21):
or I haven't accepted the proof, or I believe that
people are making up what they're saying that would give
me an inkling of truth. But I think a lot
of people can relate to that too, where it's we
even on even on a spiritual path, where it's it's

(10:42):
like I know what I know, and I believe what
I believe in. That's what's right, and I know, Like
for me when I kind of before my proper awakening,
that like as a child, for example, I was always
interested in near death experiences and I still am am
I love near death experiences, but I remember the first

(11:03):
few that I read, I thought that they were bringing
back exactly what happens when you die, and what will
happen when I die, and what happens when everybody dies,
and it was not exactly what I had learned in church.
And to be honest, I was not huge. I didn't
grow up in like a really dogmatic household. We didn't

(11:24):
go to church like all that often, but we had
a church and we went sometimes. And what I learned
in near death experiences was a lot more personal than
what it felt like in church. When I was hearing
these ancient stories and I didn't know who the people
were and I didn't have a lot of context for
the stories. It was so personal, you know. But whether

(11:49):
it involved Jesus, whether it involved angels, whether it involved
like deceased loved ones who had gone before, that was
the truth. That was what was real. And so it
was confusing when I'd come across a new one and
it didn't have Jesus in it, or it didn't have

(12:10):
an angel in it, or you know, it took place
flying through the air, like what's that about. I've never
come across that before. That can't be right, you know.
But it was this like starting to reject things that
I hadn't already been exposed to because it was new
and it didn't fit. And so I have come to

(12:35):
understand through my journey of like you're saying, like the
ability to just hold many truths, and I've never heard
that before, the analogy of God being on the truth mountain,
and how we get these little bits of it, these
little expressions of a bigger truth, and that's so important.

(12:56):
So was there one key moment for either of you
or both of you that really kind of cracked you
open to a new reality.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I don't know that there was one particular moment. I
think it was a combination of a bunch of different moments.
But ultimately I think I am one of those hard
headed people that had to have the proof. That's the
name of the show, The Skeptic met Physician, because I
needed to wrap my I wanted to believe, but I

(13:31):
need to wrap my head around the concepts that I
was being told and so I had to see it,
feel it, experience it, be told it repeatedly before I
started to open up that hard shell that said no, no, no.
The programming that we've all been a part of, In fact,

(13:57):
we have been a part of programming our daughter, we
catch ourselves doing. It is so ingrained in us that
it's hard to overcome that sometimes, especially somebody who I
grew up in the New York area and the people
can be a little misleading there.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
There can be.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Harsh, but they can be beautiful and wonderful too. It's
just a matter of perspective, which which direction you want
to look at it. And I was looking at it
from the negative side of.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Things, So everything that I saw was.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Tinted with that thought process. You know, over the course
of many years. We've been the show for four years now.
Finally the experiences I would have I was we were
having really showed me. I guess there is one that
really blew us both away. The nut, the nut, the one.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
That oh the nut.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
This was more like an edible nut.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
No, right, no, this is more like a in the
in the in the vein of.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Proof is in the pudding. See it to believe it.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yes, definitely, see to believe it.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
But it was it was about how we hop realities constantly.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I didn't think that was possible. We have one timeline,
one reality.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
But we were doing an interview on location one day
and these microphones are connected by the particular nut to
the arm and if you don't have that nut, you're
out of luck. You have to hold the microphone. So
we were setting everything up and as I was screwing
in the nut, Kerl was sitting next to me right
where as we are now we're on chairs, and as
I'm doing it, the nut falls out of my hands

(15:31):
and we both see it fall, bounce on the floor
and vanish and we're like, what the heck's We are
actually on our all fours looking for.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
This thing under furniture. I took a part a little
rock fountain. Maybe it fell into that. I mean it
was a white rug, so you would have seen it.
But we're like, you know, putting our hands kind of plush, you,
putting our hands to the rug. People were helping us,
pulling couch cushions off.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Tearing apart fountains. They had a fountain in there. She
was pulling the break by brick, pulling it apart from nut.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
And we were sitting like this right.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
You know how your pockets get, you know, they get
flattened out, so there's no way it could be anywhere
on us. So we said, okay, yeah, we're holding the microphone.
So we did the microphone holding it, and then when
it was finished, we were putting things away. We had
an audience that was watching at the time. They came
to us and they said, hey, I'm being told, because
of course there's audiences and audience of awakened folks, I'm being

(16:25):
told that you need to check your pocket. So because
I'm I wanna be nice, of course, Oh yeah, of course, right,
And I think of that, thinking to myself, there's no way,
no physical way, there's no way. We were sitting down,
My pockets are folded in on themselves. We saw it
hit it hit the ground and bounce. Okay, but I

(16:45):
will indulge them. And I put my hands, one hand
in each pocket. And when I did that, my face
fell because in my right hand when I pulled it out,
was that nut.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I'm telling you, there's no way. There is no way
this thing could have gotten into my pocket.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
It gives.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
We talked about it for weeks afterwards, because on my
way to the interview, I was kind of waffling and
I just set out to the universe.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I need I need to know, I need to.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Know if this is because we're starting to kind of
lose faith. Wow, be careful what you asked for, because
I literally cannot explain this and think fully, thankfully I
have someone who's a witness to it all, not just
me going crazy. There were a bunch of people, but
she was right next to me, and she firmly confirmed

(17:36):
there is no possible way could have gotten in your
pocket other than we hopped realities.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Or the universe. Just I don't know. I don't know.
I can't explain it.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
But the difference between the mystery, difference between me that
now and me then I'm okay with that. Knowing whatever
the mystery is, it's kind of the fun part of it,
all right.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
It is so fun. Yeah, Karen, that be your story too,
or do you have another one that comes to mind?

Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know, I've been very different from Will. I have
never not known and it's not I was raised Catholic,
I went to Catholic school. It wasn't super like dogma
down your throat. We didn't go to church much as kids,
but I just would have little things happen. I think
probably the when I really look back about it, probably
the biggest maybe experiences. I literally a ghost literally saved

(18:24):
my life. Oh so that I can't wait to hear
of size that whole feeling. Yeah, no, it's crazy. So
I'll just try to put in a little nutshell. I
had an apartment with a roommate and she was out
of town one weekend, and I had a little television
in my bedroom back in the day when they were small,
you know, And so I'd fallen asleep with the television on,

(18:46):
and I woke up and someone's turning the TV off,
and I'm like, from my first thought, oh, one of
Christie's friends is in here turning the TV off, you know,
And I'm like, oh, crap, you know this is not
so my plan was just to roll over time I'm sleeping.
And so meanwhile like kind of what's going through my
head is a thousand our fathers, oddly enough because I

(19:06):
hadn't been to church in years, but that starts going
through my head and me thinking, Okay, this person now
knows I'm awake, they're gonna leave. They just came in
to steal stuff, They're gonna leave. But actually he came
around to the side of my bed, fortunately the side
that was away from the door. So I just kind
of even though my plan was to still be sleeping.
My body just kind of you know, stretched, got up.
I went out to the front door. That's kind of

(19:26):
when it was just like the movies, because I get
to the door and I like land on the deadlocks
and I open them and I go to open the
door and the chain's locked, and I'm just like at
this point, I just panicgon, you know, trying to get
the chain open, shut the door, get the chain out.
I run upstairs stupidly into this little quad and then
he comes up and the neighbor I'm banging on the
door is finally I got into someone's house before he

(19:47):
got me, obviously, so all was good. And then we
found stuff that was there to tie me up and
a knife and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
So the reason I say I go this was a stranger.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, oh my god. Yeah. So the reason I say
that I go save my life was because I remember
what I was dreaming when I was right before I
woke up. Because I was a girl that could from Florida.
I slept through hurricanes like nothing would wake me up.
So to hear someone like just pushing the button of
the television to wake me up, that's very surprising. I
would sleep through alarm clocks, I mean, just you name it.

(20:17):
So in my dream, I was in this old house
and I was talking to a ghost and it was
a woman, and she was it was through she was
communicating me through through knocking knocking sounds. And somehow what
I figured out was so weird. It was that I
had to take her head and put it back with
her body so she could leave the earth. So I
found her head in this drawer and put it back

(20:39):
with the body, and I guess all was well, so
I'm researching this dream just in general, what does it mean?
And it was basically, you know, if there's a ghost
there and you're communicating and it's not fearful, it's a warning.
And then I did some more research about how in
certain areas when women were condemned as which is they
were decapitated, and they where their bodies were separated from

(21:01):
their heads because the belief was they couldn't ascend that way.
I had no knowledge of this, so I feel like
somehow I was helping her and she she was, you know,
helping me and waking me back up, like get you know,
wake up, get up, get out. And really, ever since then,
I've had this relationship with this female spirit. I call
her Lily. I don't know what her name really was,

(21:21):
and she appears every once in a while and you know,
does little things. But yeah, so that was probably the biggest,
like example, I.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Think, oh, that's so powerful. Wow, what great stories. You know.
One of the things you touched on very briefly was
when you woke up and you were pretending to sleep,
you said, like our father, you said, the prayer, the
Lord's prayers what you mean?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
And this is really powerful for me because in the
last like four nights, three nights, four nights, I've had
a dream, a thematic dream that has shown up that
is I'm driving a car and it's in two different ways.

(22:06):
One one, I'm driving straight up a mountain face like
completely vertical. It's slippery, it's like icy conditions. And I'm
in this old sedan and I'm going straight up and
I'm like, and I have people with me, you know,
I've got like my daughter, my mom and a couple
other people, and I'm like, I don't know how long

(22:27):
we can do this. And it's the car starts to
tip backwards, and I say, everybody pray. And as soon
as everybody starts praying, it goes back up against the mountain,
and I felt like that dream, you know, really stuck
with me. I really tried to kind of like integrate that,
and I felt that that was such a powerful message.

(22:48):
But last night I dreamt again that I was driving.
The traffic was really really tight, like bumper to bumper
and kind of like precarious, just dangerous. And I go
to make this turn and I realize that the turn
that I'm making, I'm now on beams. I'm on beams
up high like a building that was under construction, So

(23:10):
I'm having to drive on these beams and I start
to slip off the side, and I start praying, and
I immediately get right it, like immediately I go back
on the beams as soon as I remember to pray.
And those both of those for me, you know, the
driving like being in control of the car, but then
also the car like not coming out of control, but

(23:33):
then remembering that I've got the power of prayer and
the immediate effect of prayer, and then hearing like you
being in this very real danger. But also like there's
a sleep element to it, there's a dream element to it.
You chose to pray and then you came out of
harm's way through that, Like it's just all of this

(23:54):
in my world, Like the construction of reality is like
very very powerful through you that so oh wow.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
And when she talks about little things happening, they're not
little things.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
There are things that any one of them.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Would go, oh, okay, there's something going on here, but
we don't want to take up too much of your time.
But like things are just so it's always happened to
her that way because she's been open to it, yeah,
whereas with me, I've not been as open to it,
so things don't happen. And that's one of the things
that we learned over the course of doing the show

(24:31):
is that if you feel that the world is a
non magical place, it is absolutely going to be that way.
But however, if you're opening yourself up the possibilities, then
the university is gonna go whoah, all right, let me
show you something. And then suddenly, little by little it
opens up more and more until you go, Okay, we

(24:51):
live in a magical place, and you.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Really start recognizing it because you can look at something, oh,
it's just a coincidence, or you know, write it off
or whatever. Luck. But if you think about it and
in forms of it's a little miracle or it's a
you know something, it changes it. It changes your perspective.
It makes it so much more fun.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, it makes it just so much more fun to live,
and you know, it's beautiful life.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Absolutely well.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I think you may have just answered this, but I
was wondering the role of skepticism, like how skepticism and doubt,
like what role has that played in your journey, especially
since your awakening through COVID.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Unfortunately, in this in this industry, just as any other,
there there are lots of people who don't have your
best interest in mind. So I think a certain level
of skepticism, not cynicism, is important when you're looking into
these things, when you're trying to find your path, it's

(25:50):
really important to discern.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
The way forward. Better discernment, discernment.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yes, yes, yeah, In fact, there was a time obviously
no longer skeptical. I was very much a skeptical when
I first started the show, but over time I lost
that skepticism because I've experienced things, I know things, I
have evolved tremendously. The guy that I am right now

(26:17):
talking to you. Is not the same guy that I
was when we first started the show, for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
But.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
There was a time when I lost my skepticism. We
considered changing the name of the show because we're no
longer skeptical, so we you know, it doesn't it feels disingenuous,
But then we realized that.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
The show was never for us.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
We have gotten all kinds of messages and reviews and
things like that where people are saying, oh my gosh,
thank you for helping me to feel normal, thank you
for helping me to move down the path to find
my own way.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
So we were. Though I started for.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Very selfish reasons. I was trying to figure out my
way forward, it ended up that we were helping other
people as well, and so at that point we're thinking
about changing the name, we realize we need to think
about it because we may not be skeptic Betevosians anymore,
but our audience is. And so from that point forward,
our focus changed, and now it's not about us being skeptical,

(27:16):
but rather trying to get have these conversations with people
in a way that those that might be skeptical that
need a pragmatic way to approach it can have those
questions answered for them. So I do play a little
bit of a role in the show. The show is
much more it's lighthearted.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
We laugh a lot. We don't take ourselves very seriously.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
We take the topic seriously, but we position it in
a way where people hopefully are laughing. We're laughing, so
maybe they're laughing at us.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I do play a little bit of a role because
I do want to provide that that viewpoint contrast. Yeah,
where caring comes into it, and we have different perspectives
in a lot of ways.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Also, Yeah, so he does. He knows who we're interviewing.
He does all the research, he creates the introductions, all
of that. I don't know who we're interviewing until we
sit down and start talking to them. The reason for
that is so that I can be more of a
representative of the audience and kind of ask those questions
that are going to pop into your mind without that
background knowledge leading me to a certain questions.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, because sometimes I'm too close to it. I do
a lot of the research, and so yeah, I know
the answer. So when I'm asking questions, I assume in
my head subconsciously that people know the answer or you.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Ask him in a way to get the answer out
that you're hoping.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
For, right exactly where is Karen might be able to
check me on that. So we have the perspective of that,
we have the perspective where she's always known where I've
had to have that proof.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
We have the female male perspective.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
So it just it provides a really kind of a
cool dynamic, you know, in that sort of sense.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
And Karen and your evolution, as Will has gone through
his awakening and that kind of like one the interest
in exploring consciousness and the mysteries of the world, like
him kind of opening up to this part of you
that was already awake. Perhaps, how has that how has

(29:13):
that skeptical piece like worked with you in terms of
your own growth And were there times where that felt
frustrating for you or has it always kind of been
something that's helped to ground you, or how has that
worked for you well?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
With Will, it was a little we've had those challenges,
like that argument that we had about the preschool. But
I also so I've always believed in different stuff, but
I also am very I was going to be an
engineer in college, you know, very math science oriented as well.
So I don't know. I think maybe the I don't

(29:50):
know change. I don't know if this is really the
question you asked. But for me just learning how many
different things, maybe I was skeptical to the amount or
to the multitude of different paths that there are. You know,
Will talks about jumping timelines a lot the nut how
like I would not have necessarily thought that was a
time lun jump. I would have, you know, said something different.
I don't know. And then he has his stories of

(30:10):
when he experienced that. I'm like, okay, maybe you know,
are you sure? And then then yesterday we had gone
to the amazing day before yesterday, we go to the
grocery store and so he had put away the groceries
and I was doing something, making something for my daughter.
So I go to pull out and I was making
a cake. I go to pull out milk. We were
out of milk. So he bought a new milk and
I grab it and it's like halfway empty, and I'm like, okay,

(30:32):
he doesn't drink milk. How can he and I have
drank that much milk? Or you know, you hear about
the people going around the stores and opening things. I'm like,
oh my gosh. And as I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
About it, and she says, oh, he must have bought
a half hused carton of milk.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Well, I mean, you know that could happen really well
if you didn't open it. Maybe you just don't know
how much it normally weighs. So as I'm thinking about this,
the curton is getting heavier and heavier and heavier. What
and by the end, and I thought it's full on
heavy thing. I don't know. I was like, well, I

(31:06):
think I just don't Timeline.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Let me just reiterate that we're not the kind of
folks that will come up with stories, right, That's not us.
We are much more feed on the ground, in fact,
asking the questions like okay, were.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
You drinking when this happened?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
First, So to hear Karan say that she's experienced something
recently that she's not sure about, that the channeling and
all the kinds of stuff, and she's always asking is
it me? Am I making it up like she's always
questioned it. This was never a question. This was will
It was half empty and in my hands it filled up.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Oh that is so it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
When she says that I pay attention because she's not
the one to say things willy nilly like that, So
I just wish it happened to me.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Another I was just going, Aha. Another thing that a
lot of our audience on the Fate well they probably
know by now, but we have a lot of very
different beliefs about a lot of things, so we don't
just agree with each other all the time.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Different from each other, yeah, different from each other.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
People automatically assume, since we're married, we do the show together,
we have this new reality TV platform together, that we
would believe the same things.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
In fact, it's quite the opposite.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
There are many many times when we actually choose not
to talk about something because it's going to be a
trigger point. But the way, that's another way that helped
us to realize the many paths one truth mentality because
I see her and I see her reality. I see

(32:44):
her experiencing her reality and I'm experiencing mine, and they're
very different, and yet they're both so incredibly valid. And
then you start thinking about, you know, our thumb prints,
right and snowflakes, and how no two are the same.
So how could we possibly have the same spiritual path
if we are completely individual people down to our thumb prints.

(33:06):
So then it starts starts kind of making sense to
that point.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah, I love that. And you started by talking about
skepticism and discernment and that you know when you're in
you know, and this is a really important point because
for people who are on an awakening journey or who
are on a spiritual journey, there can be that temptation
to just especially if you're early on and you feel

(33:32):
like everybody is ahead of you. You know, you're jumping
into these waters that there it feels like people already
know what they're talking about, and so you just trust,
you know, and and I know that. You know, I've
had my podcast since twenty eighteen. I have had guests
on that I was wowed by, that I was so

(33:53):
excited about. And then time goes on and things start
to come to light and you realize like, oh, these
people weren't who they thought who they said they were.
They weren't what I thought they were. I've had to
take some shows down just to not mislead people. Like
once you know the truth, then it's like, okay, well,

(34:14):
you know, I'm sorry for you know, if people found
them through my platform. But the only thing I can
do at this point is to not let that happen
to anybody else. But I presume like you guys have
experienced things like that too.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Oh absolutely, and we do the same thing. We take
them down. In fact, there was a point where we
debated whether or not to put them up. You know,
you give sense for someone when you're interviewing somebody. We
had someone who came in and right off the bat,
they threw a truth bomb at us that it just

(34:50):
was impossible to accept. And then the interview, where does
it go from there? But so we debated for months
whether or not to release that episode. As it turned
out when we did publish it, but we published it
with a hey, this might not be your truth, but

(35:12):
it is a truth. And so from that point forward
we decided to reposition it as we're going to bring
us to light and let the audience figure out for
themselves whether it resonates with them or not. However, to
your point, if we find something which just recently happened,

(35:33):
actually just a few months ago, that someone that we
thought we knew really well suddenly turned out to be
not that through no fault with their own perhaps, but regardless,
we did have to take it down because it was
we felt it would be irresponsible to have our show
be the referral engine for someone who wasn't quite ready

(35:53):
to provide the services that they were saying that they would,
just because we saw that we didn't resonate with you know,
that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Y, And then you know, you have the people that
come on they just want to sell their book, they
want to sell their program and it's ten thousand dollars
or whatever and stuff like that, even if they can
actually do what they're saying they're doing. Our goal is
to help people and to have people that are broadcasting
messages of help. So if you're making it just about
sales or something that's inaccessible to the majority of the people,

(36:25):
that's not that's not our vibe.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
We totally understand everyone needs to make a living.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, so we.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Are one hundred percent on board with let's have a
conversation and then by all means, at the end we'll
talk about what it is that you're trying to move.
It's just it's a it's an exchange of energies. We're
happy to do that. But when every answer talks about well,
you could see that in my book. Oh good gravy.
Can we just not talk about your books for just
a second, just one question, just one question without have nothing.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
To do with your book. It gets it gets tiring.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Sometimes, Yeah, definitely. Well it is interesting and the other
piece to it too. And I believe that you guys
are conscientious about this too, because I've also seen things
with your programming with like we're really trying not to
stir up the fear, Like let's move forward to expand

(37:16):
our consciousness, but bring the fear, you know, let's keep
the fear out of it. And I've noticed with content,
you know, where I've had people that I really respect
and they've been fantastic conversations, but ultimately it is more
of a fear based approach. And what's so sticky as

(37:39):
a content creator is how popular that content is. And
that is a really interesting dichotomy for people who understand
the role of fear and that in the place for
it in our ascension, how it can be so hooky

(38:02):
and how it can draw people in. And I don't
know if you've have you noticed this as well, because
this is one of those things where it's like, oh, well,
if you want the followers, then go that like, they've
definitely got something. But that is a problem that we need.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
To solve as like as a as humanity, you know, sensationalizing.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
There's no question now.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
In fact, we talked about programming, right it's our programming
that makes us click on the things that are intriguing,
and unfortunately, the things that are the most intriguing to
society these days is sensationalism. Is how many times have
you seen someone whose thumbnail says absolutely unbelievable, they can't

(38:49):
be missed, right, life defire, you know, life changing. The
thumbnail is just so sensational, and then you listen to
the show thinking, oh my gosh, and then you.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Go, where's the message, where's yes?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
How does it.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
That's and that's unfortunate because it does work really, really well.
The algorithm on YouTube, for example, rewards that kind of thing,
and so people go to gravitate towards the listening of
the fear response in order to get the clicks, and
they get famous or popular or whatever because of it.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
So we specifically.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Went out to create something that was the complete opposite
because there's so much fear, there's so much division in
the world right now that again selfishly I don't want
to speak of Karen, but I wanted I needed content
that I knew I could go one place and every

(39:46):
bit of content was going to be safe and educational
and it would help me in my spiritual journey to
discover different paths or to learn lessons or to whatever
it is, but not ever be served something specifically because
I wanted a click. Right, So, all of our content
partners that come on New Reality TV, we enter into

(40:09):
agreements where the content won't be specifically designed to elicit
a fear responds. We understand, and shadow work is necessary.
We all have to work through things to get better,
to advance, to evolve. But if the content is presented
in a way that is meant to help someone process
these things, then we're good.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
But if it's just.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Meant to be, you'll never believe who just got possessed
and died or you know, things like that. It's just
it just isn't doesn't resonate. So we also, as I.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Say, and not to mention, so many of those you know,
you see that the faked hauntings and this and that,
So it really takes credibility away from the people that
really are working with light and with energy, So we
don't want to do that either.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah right, yeah, so we have those tenants. It's no fear,
no politics. We don't want to have devised device of conversations.
And there's not much more divisive than politics these days, unfortunately,
and really we don't want people to disparage each other
because we truly do believe the one truth, many paths,
and New Reality TV is meant to explore all these

(41:14):
different modalities. So if you come on as a content
partner and you start downplaying Cundolini astrology because it doesn't
resonate with you, then the next content partner that's coming
on after you might be a Kundalini practitioner or an astrologer,
and now it's awkward, right, So we just if it's
not your truth, it's perfectly okay, but it might be

(41:36):
somebody else's just accept.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
That and one of the good I guess benefits side
effects of this platform we've created. So Will loves all
the content that's like getting in there and watching them,
you know, meditations and the shows and the conversations and
they're wonderful for me. I love the meetings with our
content partners community because we do we have a community
outside of the platform where they can all kind of

(41:59):
get together, and there's starting to there. We have someone
going from Thailand to Alaska to be on each other's shows.
It's really becoming this amazing family. So I can be
in the worst mood, you know, I've gotten a carrect whatever,
and I'm like, oh, I got one of these meetings,
and I come up to it, and within like ten minutes,
I'm just like a and like the energy and just
the amount of love pouring out of all of these people.

(42:19):
It's really incredible. It's my favorite thing about it.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that's beautiful. Tell us about New Realities TV. So
you've told us about the tenants and the purpose of it,
but tell us what it is.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well, thanks for the opportunity. It's a new streaming platform
that we have created. We just launched a January sixth,
so not long ago. But it's like a Netflix meets
Gaya without the fear response.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Guya is a great platform, But a lot of their
things are not in alignment to alien abductions and demonic
possessions and things like that, conspiracy theories. It's not really
our thing. So it's really it has television shows it
has films, it has meditations and activation. We're working on
an audio stream as more like a radio aspect to it.

(43:05):
We have a twenty four hour live i'm sorry, twenty
four hour international broadcast that you just want to go
and be served a show to you, you can do that,
but if you prefer to dive into the on demand platform,
you have all the content there and then people can
go live to it too.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
So every once in a while you'll see.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
In fact, we have one content partner that goes live
every day, every weekday and he just does this show
live from the platform and people can ask questions and
engage and things like that, and then we'll.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Be doing like well, we recently had a summit, right
it was a weekend long, eight hours a day. It
was fantastic. And we also have a quarterly magazine that
we publish, an e magazine, so we're planning some retreats
and it's really just it's becoming so much more than
just a platform. It's really becoming like a new reality.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
And that's the thing to Karen's point, is really new
reality TV is really a community because it's not just
the content partners.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
We also have opened it up to those that.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Are that come in our part of the audience to
interact with the content partners, and so it's really meant
to be a place where you can go and know
that you're safe, that you're not going to be served
something that's going to trigger you, that you can dive
into the content to explore and learn in a safe

(44:20):
environment where you are going to know that every single
person on the platform is there specifically to help you
and your consciousness raise.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
And we do have it. We have it as a
membership because we obviously have to cover our operating expenses,
but we're keeping it really low because we do want
it to be accessible. We have two, well three tiers,
so we'll always have some free content for everyone. They'll
get the first three episodes of every show, and currently
we've got forty something shows on there and we've got

(44:53):
more coming in, so that right there is a ton
of content. Then the next level it's only five to
fifty five a month and you get access to seven
seventy seven. Oh, I'm sorry, that's why it was going
to be. Yeah, seven seventy seven. Sorry, So you get
access to the broadcaster and then all the content as
soon as it's dropped, so more than just those first.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Three episodes, so weekly episodes.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Yeah, yeah, so the weekly episodes and then the higher
level it's only eleven eleven I got that one right,
So super affordable. And with that one you get access
to the outer community portal where you can be in
touch with the content partners, So that one's really exciting.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, but the free part is that that's the most
important thing for us because our goal is to get
the messages out right this time around, we felt like,
I'm not psychic. I've been dying to ask project and
never been able to do it.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Not really healer, We're not.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
That's not what we're here for this time around. We
feel that I feel at this time my life this
time around is to be a messenger, is to help
broadcast these messages specifically.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Because that's our day job.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
We're TV producers by trade, and so we've taken our
expertise and we we have been called to bring our
skill sets into the world in this way in order
to help get the messages out. So even if no
one subscribes to the thing, we've done our job because
we've got the messages out as broaden as wide as

(46:16):
we possibly can because they're so important, especially these days.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
That's beautiful. Well, how can people find New Reality TV
and your podcast and more about you to connect.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
With you New Reality TV. It's very simple. It's just
the website New Reality tv dot com and once you
get on there, just feel free to pop and explore,
check out the broadcaster, look at some of the shows,
and then for our particular show, it is also on
New Reality but you can also go to Skeptic Metaphysicians
dot com and you can see all of the episodes
there and you can also find them on all of
the podcasting platforms.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
And I have to apologize because when I started the show,
it was just me, so it was a skeptic metaphysician.
So the website is Skeptic Metaphysician singular.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
It's okay, I am screwing.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I'd loved right, think itok. We took our daughter to
the airport this morning at four o'clock in the morning. Yes,
oh wow, so we were up at three. It's our
first trip away from us, and so I'm a little
frazz apologize for my screw.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Ups and then we're not freaked out about it at.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
All, not at all.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
And what type of what type of shows do you
have on New Reality TV? Can you give some examples
you name it.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
We have.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
They're mostly reality shows in terms of not like those
reality shows that you're thinking just now, but basically we
have some that are just ted talks or someone's just
doing like master classes speaking to you.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
We have others that are like this.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
They have interviews and they interview experts in particular fields.
There are others that are activations that are meant to
activate things inside you. There are others that are meditations.
That's all the others meditations. Then we have some one
particular is a Thai Buddhist monk who goes around to
all the holy sites in that area of the world

(48:01):
and gives tours and then does breath work or you know,
chee going or different things that go along with it.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
So there's all kinds of different shows.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
So the plant one is cool.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
So we have a lady who records plants their vibrations
and their energies and the music creates music out of them.
She's out in the field and this is what a
lily sounds like, and this is what you know, whatever
sounds like. It's really cool.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
And then we have another show that is a medium
in a chandler and they actually it's they bring in
they call it dead Talks, so they bring in different
entities and they actually so what he does is he
he picks a person, doesn't tell her who it is,
and then gives her clues.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Okay, we I need to find so she.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Has is it man or a woman? And he goes
man and then okay, so everybody who's a female, leave
the room. Leave the room in terms of spirits, right,
leave the spirits, leave the room. Okay, this person lived
in the eighteen hundreds. Okay, anyone who's no more modern,
leave the room. And eventually she needs to buy the
information she's getting. She realized she says who it is
that she's talking to to speak to. So it's just

(49:05):
it's very different types of content because some of the
stuff is going to be We have some films. We
just released a film today called Lucid about Lucid Dreamings,
Lucid Dreaming that is very highly produced, its beautiful work.
And then we have content that are it's very very relaxed,
very the product quality is just like what you're watching here,

(49:26):
or maybe even a little bit.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Lower, but we really do celebrate those shows because we
feel that right now, especially after COVID, everyone has become
so disconnected and people are craving that connection, and it's
so much easier to connect with someone that looks like
you and feels like you and sounds like you than
someone who is like you know, super fancy superstar and
this really super highly produced production. We do have some

(49:48):
of those as well. We've got something for everyone, but
we did want to have that opportunity for that really
kind of granular connection.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
YEA.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Our tagline is our unofficial tagline is regular people going
through spiritual awakenings helping other regular people going through spiritual awakenings.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
That's beautiful. Thanks well, Thank you so much. Thank you
for the work that you're doing to help to raise
consciousness on the planet and to make this content accessible
for everybody. Thank you so much for being here today
and it's been a beautiful discussion.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Thank you for providing the beautiful platform like just to
helproprede the word self.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Thank you for your time.

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