Authentic Awakening: How to Find Your True Soul Purpose Without Quitting Your Job

Is your spiritual awakening making you question… everything? From quitting your 9-to-5 to selling crystals on Etsy, it’s easy to wonder what “living your purpose” even means. But what if you didn’t need to burn your life down to wake up? What if spiritual awakening could look a lot more grounded?
 
This week, we’re diving deep with Kara Goodwin, host of the Soul Elevation Podcast, meditation guide, energy healer, and author of Your Authentic Awakening: A Guide to Everyday Spiritual Living. Kara joins us for a hilariously real and mind-expanding convo that’s one part TED Talk, one part ayahuasca ceremony, and all parts truth serum for your soul.
 
Whether you’re a spiritual newbie or a seasoned seeker secretly side-eyeing your job as a spiritual imposter, this episode is your permission slip to stop faking alignment and start living it, without needing to join a cult or relocate to a Peruvian jungle.

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:
✅ What “living your purpose” really means; spoiler: it’s not always about quitting your job or becoming a guru.
✅ The truth about spiritual awakenings: how to know if you’re in one and why your life might be crumbling (on purpose).
✅ How Kara’s personal tragedies cracked her wide open and sparked an authentic, life-changing spiritual journey.
✅ Plant medicine: sacred tool or spiritual bandwagon? Kara shares insights from her mushroom experiences and the dream that told her to walk away.
✅ The danger of spiritual dogma, even in “non-dogmatic” communities, and how to avoid becoming a cosmic copy-paste.
✅ How to stay in your life without losing your awakening (yes, you can have a family, a job and a foot in the fifth dimension).
✅ Why authenticity is the new enlightenment, and how to sniff it out (literally). 

Also in This Episode:
- Kara’s psychedelic experiences (including a psychic connection to mushroom chocolate before even eating it!) 

• Why some of her most powerful visions happen with just CBD, meditation, and a hypnagogic state
• Her honest take on energy healing, spiritual fads, and “awakening guilt”
• The subtle art of knowing when your guides are whispering… and how not to mistake them for imagination
• What Kara’s spirit guides would name their own podcast, and what the first episode would cover 

Who Should Listen?
📍 Seekers questioning their current path, but unsure what “authentic” really means
📍 Listeners curious about plant medicine, but wary of the hype and hustle
📍 Anyone experiencing the cosmic identity crisis of spiritual awakening
📍 People wanting to elevate their lives without ditching their earthly responsibilities
📍 Listeners tired of spiritual gatekeeping and thirsty for grounded, empowering wisdom

Connect with Kara Goodwin
Listen to her podcast: Soul Elevation Podcast
Get her book: Your Authentic Awakening – now available everywhere books are sold
Explore her world: karagoodwin.com
Follow her on Instagram: @karagoodwinmeditation

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Karen. Yes, if I asked you right now, right the second,
the second, if you feel you are truly living your purpose,
would you have a solid answer.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I would have a solid answer, really yes.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
And the answer would be no. Okay, well you're in
luckdown because today's guest has cracked the cosmic code on
authentic awakening. Now, let's just say it's not about quitting
your job to sell crystals on Etsy. Okay, I mean,
unless it is.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's a computer.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Right Today, we're diving deep into the sacred, the psychedelic,
and the seriously strange, from the transformative power of plant
medicine to dodging the spiritual equivalent of a multi level
marketing scheme or cults. Oh, we're covering it all. So
if this starts to feel like an ayahuasca ceremony crossed
with a ted talk, don't say any or you, Karen,

(00:52):
don't panic. But this just might be the episode where
you find out what your soul's purpose actually is, or
at least how to stop pretending you already know it.
The skeptic reposition starts. Now. My name is Will and
I'm Karen, and unlike Mulder and Scully, both want to
believe so we've embarked in a journey of discovery.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
metaphysical world.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
joined a coven.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Of witches and wait, you joined a coven yep.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
All in the interest of finding something, anything, that will
prove that there's something beyond this physical.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Three dimensional world we all live in.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey, can I tell you
about something I wish someone had told me about sooner.

(01:48):
It's called the Spiritual Investor Club, and honestly, it's kind
of like the best kept secret in the align the
abundance world. It's run by Elizabeth Ralph. You know, she
was on our shope not long ago, known as a
spiritual investor. She used to be at this high level
finance executive and now well now she teaches people how

(02:09):
to grow their money by sinking it with their frequency.
No hustle, no spreadsheets, just alignment. Inside the club, she
shares stock picks, energy upgrades, mindset rewires, all the stuff
they never taught me or us, maybe about how money
actually works when you're awake the best part. It's not

(02:33):
just theory, it's real tools, real energy shifts, and a
community that gets it. So have you been feeling like
your financial reality is stuck in the wrong paradigm? This
just might be your invitation out of there. I'll drop
the Lincoln the show notes to go peek inside. Just
just don't tell everyone, Okay, uh ohm, I kidding, share

(02:58):
the wealth, tell everybody. Let's get everybody aligned with abundance.
I'll drop the Lincoln show notes. I invite you to
go peek in size and see what you think. This
is what it's all about. Guys, So hey, join me
there because Karen and I were already there. Hey, there
on Will and I'm welcome back to an episode of
the Scutting Musicians that is not to be missed. We

(03:20):
are fortunate to have a guest here to help us
answer one of life's biggest questions. Biggest question, the question
is am I truly living my purpose now? Karen Goodwin
is the host of the Soul Elevation podcast, a skilled
energy healer and a meditation guide whose work bridges the
worlds of ascension, spiritual awakening, energy healing, and even extraterrestrial connections.

(03:44):
She's also the author of Your Authentic Awakening, a guide
to everyday spiritual living, a powerful guide book for anyone
ready to ditch spiritual imposter syndrome and start living a
deeply aligned, authentic life. And whether she's guiding people through
transformative practices or explore in the mysteries of consciousness, Kara's
mission is clear. She's here to help us elevate our

(04:05):
souls in align with our highest potential. I am thrilled
to welcome Kara Goodwin to the show. Kara, Nice to
see you today again.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Hello, Thank you so much for having me. We had
so much fun when you were on Soul Elevation, and
I'm so excited to join you here on your platform.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Right, We've got a lot to dive into because we
covered a lot in your show, but now we want
to cover the real good stuff on our show.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
And we cover.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Karen's story still like stays with me about waking up
and having all the guidance and yeah, we've covered some
great ground we did.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, And so if you haven't listened to our episode
Soul Relations, we definitely recommend you do that and we'll
send our links so you can hear it. But in
the meantime, now we are here to answer the biggest
questions of the all right, the life's purpose. So let's
just start that big What does it actually mean to

(05:07):
have a true soul purpose? Like is it to sell
crystals on that sy.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well, it's such a great question, and of course it
varies from person to person, But a lot of times
what I find when we're going through a spiritual awakening
is that we feel that our life has to change
one hundred and eighty degrees, and to some extent it
does because our whole perspective changes. You know, when we

(05:34):
start waking up out of the surfacetal mainstream what we've
been sold and what most people in this change us.
You cannot help when your perspective has changed for the
world to be different, you know, just by the very
virtue of your perspective changing, because you're the one that's
living through your perspective.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
So when when.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
You're looking at through one facet of a pre and
then suddenly you're like, wait a minute, there's a whole
other way to look at everything.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's very eye opening.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
But a lot of times people think that then that
means okay, now I have like my three D job
is no longer relevant. I need to go and shift
what I'm doing. I need to be a healer, or.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I need to sell crystals on Etsy.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
I love that, and thank God that there are people
selling crystals on Etsy. I'm very grateful for that, definitely.
But it's a lot of people confuse their career with
their purpose, and which I totally get because we spend
a lot of our time on our work, right, so

(06:51):
it can be very tempting to say, like I'm just
going to ditch the whole thing, but our purpose is
not necessarily how we make money. And I think that's
a big, a big shift for people where I love
when I see people who are working in you know,

(07:13):
they've had a full on spiritual awakening and there's still
a mail carrier for now, you know, there's still I
had a guest on who jokes because now he's a
psychic medium and he is doing that full time, but
for a long time he was a mail carrier and
he says, I was delivering messages. I was delivering messages

(07:35):
like during the day and spirit messages at night.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
You know, couldn't he was kind of had a foot
in both worlds.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
But yeah, but it really is this, this ability to
walk with a foot in each world. And I think
that there is great opportunity there because if everybody who
had a spiritual awakening then turn their back on mainstream society,

(08:04):
turn their back on working an office job, for example.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Where would we be?

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Like we I feel that there is a community of souls,
a big community of souls who is here on the
planet right now, and we're scattered. You know, we've incarnated
together over multiple lifetimes. We are mission driven in terms
of raising the consciousness, but we're intentionally not all in

(08:31):
one community, in one space, in one location, sequestered off
so that we can live here on earth in the
way that we want to. And it's such a delicate
balance because it is our lives. So if we're stuck
in a job, in a relationship and with friends, that
and no, and we can't see a reflection of how

(08:51):
we feel in anybody, that is a hard place to be.
So it's not saying say stuck, stay sucked. It's not
because it's too hard to say.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
That's why.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
So I'm not saying stay stuck because you you know,
you have to be in service in this way, and
you have to be miserable because that's your mission.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's not that at all.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
You know. We continuously use our circumstances to feel our way,
navigate our way through life. And it may be that
we it's most appropriate for us at this juncture in
our life path to have more of a mainstream job.
But that doesn't mean that we don't keep nurturing that

(09:38):
spiritual awakening. We don't keep there's there are so many
resources out there right now, and we have the Internet
which gives us, you know, access to that spiritual nourishment
really easily. You know, I mean, think of how many
episodes you guys have of the metaphysic. There are a
lot of words I can't say right now, A skeptical,

(10:00):
a physician, and people can be accessing that in their
free time and it is helping them to shift and
it's helping them to nurture that awakening. But it doesn't
necessarily mean that they have to turn their back on
their whole lives. And another you know, saying that, I
think people another place where people get stuck is, you know,

(10:21):
they they may be a certain amount of the way
through their lives where they have a family, they have
a spouse, they have children, and they may feel like, wait,
I'm the only one who's awakened in my house and
feel like they you know, I mean there are people
who do then run off to a cave and or

(10:44):
you know, go and leave their family and go and
join a group. And I would just really really encourage
anybody who's feeling like that you deeply consider three hundred
and sixty degree ramifications of that, because while that may

(11:07):
feel like it's going to create wholeness in some part
of us, if we think about your life's purpose, your
karmaic ties, the trauma that you create, the waves of
trauma that you create through abandonment, we want to see
a complete picture and really really be sure when we're

(11:30):
stepping away from something that we have participated in creating
that would have deeply traumatic impacts on people. Right.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
And I do like how you say stress the importance
of it. You don't have to quit your job or
your one life, because I think that's a big fear
that a lot of people have. If they start to
they're starting to wake up it, they're starting to see
and understand different things, they feel like, well, I have
to leave this and become this other type of person.
But that's not the case. We're all supposed to wake
up who it's like, to amplify who we are. And

(12:04):
part of you know, your job might be providing for
your family or you know, teaching children or whatever. So
I do think it's important to know that you don't
have It doesn't have to be one.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Or the other.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Fact.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, in an argument could possibly be made for staying
in place so that your example will help awaken others
in that space that would not have had that example
had you decide to remove yourself from the situation.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Absolutely, And now that there are more resources like our
podcasts or you know, just go online, you'll see that
it's not just the you know, crazy old lady that
lives with all the cats down the street. It's the
doctor and the account and the lawyer and the pharmacist
and the stay at home mom, Like everybody is starting
to have these awakenings. And I think the internet, you know,

(12:50):
that's good, good and bad. But I think one of
the good things is that you can find other people
in that situation. You can be connected so you don't
feel so isolated, which awakenings can often leave.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
And that's not to say they're having a lot of
cats is crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Now we just say a bigger house and a dog
that wouldn't eat them.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
That's true. Yes, our dog would very hungry dog to
have a lot of cats. Quite I settle for one, honestly.
All Right, So that's beautifully said. That that's a lesson
that a lot of people really need to organically ingest
inside themselves because there is a big push towards picking

(13:28):
up and going somewhere. Now there there is sometimes an
occasion when a spiritual awakening happens that is so debilitating
because it is so impactful in so many ways that
someone might be might find it necessary to take some
time for themselves to find a way through. But there

(13:50):
are people there that can help with that and when
it comes down to it. So but now your book
you talk about your book is called Your Authentic Awakening, right,
and you talk a lot about the importance of authenticity.
Can you tell why is it so important to be
really authentic when you're going through things like this?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, there are multiple ways that we look at this,
and in one of the ways is something that you
touched on in the beginning, which is kind of following
in the footsteps of others or spiritual organizations where we
you know, and this was part of my path was
even so I do have more of a culty experience,

(14:32):
and then I have the sort of spiritual organization that
helped me get kickstarted. And I don't see that one
particularly as a cult. It was definitely alternative kind of spirituality,
but it wasn't I wouldn't say that it was like
particularly culty, but it did have a guru.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
And it was teaching.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
I use I was in this organization to help me
learn how to meditate and get my feet in terms
of spirituality that wasn't wrapped up in religion. And they
I remember so many times them talking about how this
path was without dogma. That was a problem with religion.
There's so much dogma in religion, but there wasn't dogma

(15:18):
in this path. And yet each step I took, I
was sort of like, there's so much dogma here. And
it really one example of that that really was is
crystallized in my mind with it was I had discovered
the enneagram. Are you familiar with the enneagram? You know,

(15:39):
kind of a personality assessment sort of thing, And I
had heard about it, and I asked one of the
elders in this organization if he had heard of the
enneagram and if he thought it was useful, and you know,
at this time, I was really like very conscientious of
is this going to take me off my path type
of thing, right, And he said, well, Master didn't teach

(16:03):
about the enneagram, so why would I pursue that, and
and just shut me down, like you know, with that
with just a like don't even look at that, just
keep your blinders on, because we're only going to be
focused on the things that the Guru talked about. And
the Guru died one hundred and no not one hundred
and died in nineteen fifty two, so they were keeping

(16:28):
his lineage alive through the talks that he gave, you know,
one hundred years ago and between you know, seventy and
one hundred years ago, and so it was it was dogmatic,
you know, it was like, well, I'm only going to
put energy and value into things that have that are

(16:50):
part of this path, and I'm not going to explore
anything else.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
And this is a.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Great, big, wide universe with and so much has come
about since you know, even in this century, much less
the latter half of the last century that they're just disregarding.
And so what I had found and what ultimately why
I left that group was there really wasn't a lot

(17:16):
of room for growth. It was just this rehashing and
rehashing and rehashing of the same material and looking at
it from new ways. Of course, you know, this thing
popped up in my life, this new experience. Now, how
do I apply this to things that this master had
said in their teachings? And there is value in that,

(17:37):
But it did get to the point where I just
felt like I was in this tight spiral of like
looping and looping and looping, and it was like, but
I think the Aneagram's fascinating. I want to know more
about myself from that angle. And what about reiki, which
wasn't around when he was alive, and you know, I
want to explore that, and I want to explore he

(17:59):
never talked to out aliens.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Maybe I want to learn about aliens.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know, all of these pieces of my spiritual path
now because I let go of trying to fit into
somebody else's box of saying this is how you awaken
and this is what is valuable and not valuable, and
so that is one of the ways that I see
the importance of authenticity is we all have like a

(18:26):
soul signature or a soul blueprint, however you want to
think about it, a soul frequency, and it's unique to us,
and it is we have it based on our experiences
before this life and this life that we've been living
all these years has also colored our soul, and our

(18:50):
soul has colored it. But when we enable ourselves and
give ourselves the freedom to say what brings me joy,
what brings me excitement, what interests me, and follow that,
that is really what's going to help us to keep
finding what is relevant to us and to keep growing

(19:11):
rather than to always be you know, looking around at Okay, well,
that person seems further along than me. So what courses
have they taken, what courses are they offering, what are
you know, what methods do they use? And you there
is some of that that is still valid because we
are all helping each other. We're we are walking each

(19:33):
other home. That beautiful expression that was it rohmdaus or us? Yeah,
we are. We are doing this together as a community,
and we are offering you know, a hand back to
the people who want to come forward, and we are
accepting the hands of those who can help to lift
us up also, and we have these unique expressions of

(19:57):
who we are, and we will find so much purpose
and joy in our lives when we take the cues
of what lights that spark within us, and that helps
us to express ourselves as that true soul.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, we talk about it all the time on the show.
How I mean our fingerprints are uniquely ours. How can
we expect everyone's path to be uniquely the same, right
or the same when we strongly believe that our spiritual
paths are very independently different and unique to each person.

(20:38):
There's that the whole tenant of one truth, many paths.
It's sometimes people need those I don't want to say
crutch because it's not really crutch, but those aids where
there's a structure and you follow the structure, you have
a roadmap to where you need to go. However, there
are those, and I would say maybe it allows more

(21:01):
of a I don't want to say the wrong thing
because I don't want to offend anybody, but sometimes people
need those road maps, and sometimes you need to go
off the beaten path in order to find your own path,
and you chunk a bunch of things together and that
makes who you are. There was a time when I
was in meditation felt this message come through that united

(21:22):
all these different things like the astrology, numerology and your gams,
all these kinds of things, human design, all these kinds
of things that were imprinted on us the minute we
were born, because we were meant to say, here's all
the different dimensions of you. Pick which one makes sense
so that you can understand yourself, and that's how we
move that thing forward. So that's a kind of New

(21:43):
Reality TV. The al reason we're doing New Reality to
be that we're doing right.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Absolutely, you just don't know what's going to resonate with
someone else. I think the good thing about the structured spirituality,
whether you want to call it religion or a cult,
because the cult doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I would pause the that religion might be a cult itself.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
They are.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Actually that's one the first thing they teaches an anthropology.
People have get offended by that. So it's just basically
everyone having a same belief system and following a certain
set of practices. But I think for a lot of
people can be a good starting point. Sometimes you don't
know what you need until you're in a situation where
you're getting what you don't need, right, and it can

(22:23):
be like, oh well, in theory, this sounds interesting, but
it is not resonating, so I'm going to look for
something else or it can help. I mean, there are
some really wonderful people that are just true believers of
whatever spiritual body or organization that they're with, So I
think there could be good and bad for both.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think the.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Problem is so often in any sort of organized spiritual system,
whether it's religion or a traditional cult, hm you want
to call it, that there are often those players that
like having that power, They're like feeling important, and that
becomes that becomes their driving force. And we've seen how
that's happened in the cap religion and other organized religions.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, I feel so attacked right now, but okay, I'll
forward just kidding. I'm just kidding. So we all agree
of one thing, and that is that spiritual awakening is
really an individual thing. It doesn't. You know, whatever tool
you need or you find that residents will use the
way that you should go. However, there are those out

(23:23):
there who are just starting on the path who may
think Is this a spiritual awakening? Is it not?

Speaker 4 (23:29):
So?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
What kind of signs, What kind of signs would you
say someone should look for to identify whether or not
they are perhaps going through with spiritual awakening.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
What a great question, and you know it is. It's
another one of those such an individual thing. Classic spiritual
awakening is like is your life falling apart right now?
Or has your life recently fallen apart? I know that
was the awakening path for me where I had you know,

(24:04):
I was very sure about a lot of things. I
was kind of just riding the surface of life and
enjoying myself, and then I just had tragedy after tragedy
after tragedy of people that I'm very close to, whether
that was them dying, having heart transplant, being hit by

(24:26):
a motorbike when they crossed the street, having surgery on
their brain stem, being diagnosed with a brain tumor, all
of that happening within like seven months. And these are
people that I'm very very close with, like family. So
for me, I just got into like this whirlwind of

(24:47):
tragedy where I just couldn't recognize my life anymore and
I felt like I needed I needed like it felt
like I needed to hold on to something because I
felt like I was just and around in the wind,
and it was like what's going to be next? You know,
you start to get in this like trauma cycle of
like I don't want to answer my phone because that's

(25:10):
like people will text you unless it's really bad news,
and then they you know, they want to call you,
and I you know, it almost became a joke of like, well,
I don't want to answer that because it's my dad
and he's calling, and and then it would be like
and then it would literally like I'd answer the phone
and I'd be waiting for the bad news, and then
I would get terrible news. You know.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
It's like you know, waiting for the other shoe to
drop and realizing your centipede.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yes, I love that.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
So a lot of times that is what kicks starts
somebody's spiritual awakening, and it is I think from like
a spiritual perspective, you know, at least speaking in my case,
I feel like the time was really right. I came
here to experience a certain a certain way of living

(26:01):
life and looking at life and radiating myself, and I
wasn't doing that on my own, and so it does.
Looking back, it does feel like it was very purposeful
for all of those things to happen in such a
concentrated time where I just felt like because I just
wasn't getting I can see now there were little clues

(26:24):
of like trying to get me to, you know, have
the space to be able to experience myself in a
more spiritual way, and I was like just distracting myself.
But you know, it also can just be that you're
becoming interested in these things, you know, and there is

(26:47):
something called synchronicity, and I know that you guys are
very familiar with synchronicity. But when you start to feel
like the universe is talking to you and maybe you're
hearing over and over similar concepts that are new to you.
So let's just say, you know everything is energy, and
somebody starts talking about how everything is energy and you've

(27:10):
never really thought about that before, but it does make sense,
and wow, if that's true, then what does that mean?
Like I've been limiting myself because I've been experiencing everything
as like either solid.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Liquid or gas.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
But if it is true that everything is energy, then
how does that change my limitations? And what is possible
that I have believed is impossible, and maybe then you're
just everywhere you turn, it feels like people are talking
about how everything is energy, and it's like just getting
you thinking more and more about reality in a different way.

(27:47):
And that's just one example, but there may be different
ways that the universe starts to talk to you, to say, like,
here is a new way of looking at things. Here,
here are some glimpses into what reality really is under
the surface of what we've been fed. So I think,
I mean, those are just a couple of different ways,

(28:09):
but they're and for some people it's just this. They've
just felt this their whole lives. But they've gone along
with the mainstream and they've gone along with what they've
been taught. I mean, one of the things I talk
about in the book is like how we've been conditioned
and we've been programmed, and it's been you know, society
does it just by virtue of being in society. Schooling

(28:32):
does it. By virtue of being in school. We're being
molded and programmed, and our family does it, and the
media does it, you know, And I mean, you guys,
thank goodness, you're creating like this, you know, true platform
where people can explore a different view of reality so

(28:53):
that you know, we can have an alternative to what
the mainstream is telling us is true. But all of
these ways are ways that we've been programmed. But there
are a lot of people who from the time that
they've been born something has felt not right, but they've
just been going along with it because nobody else is
talking about things in a different way.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
And then that.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Starts to get stronger and stronger when the time is right.
You know, we can never force the roads to bloom,
but once it's ready, there's so many different ways that
it can express.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
So what I'm hearing you say in the crux of
it all is just pay attention.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, pay attention.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Things can be tricky.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, oh yeah, I know it's very real.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well until it breaks your leg in Europe.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Right, which which may or may not have happened, actually,
but I always say the universe starts with a whisper
in the wind and ends with a two by four
to the head, yes, or the ank right. Well, something
that people are turning to more and more to do
a spiritual weakening is plant medicine. And I know that
you have some experience with this, so how can you

(30:00):
How can someone know for sure whether or not plant
medicine is something that they should turn to to look
at their spiritual weakening process or if it's just the
fad that's that's going around now, how does someone discern
between those two?

Speaker 3 (30:14):
That is such a great question, and it's it's two
in a row. Yes, good job.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
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Speaker 3 (30:51):
Some people do like they might.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I know of people who just kind of they get
curious about something like bufo or mushroom.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Looking up frog. I just can't imagine that.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
But I don't think you have to. I think you can.
I don't know if they smoke it. I mean, but
I don't think. I don't well, I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Big rolling paper there.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I think I was assuming that they did. There was
no actual live frog involved. But now you've got my questioning.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Welcome to metemusicians.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
No. I know people, for instance, who have done like
very hardcore like psychedelic experiences and they did it more
from for lack of a better term, for a party reason,
you know, like they were just they just wanted to
experience like an alternate consciousness, but more in a party sense,
and then just had their whole world rocked where they're like, oh,

(31:55):
I've got to sell all these things that I thought
were important, but I don't care about that stuff anymore.
And it's a silly that's a silly thing that I'm
letting go. And so it really kind of unexpectedly had
an awakening impact on them. And then there are a
lot of people who are, you know, going to South America,

(32:15):
going to Central America having ayahuasca ceremonies. I don't personally
have experience with ayahuasca. I do know that it is
so many people have really beautiful, valid awakening experiences where
they're just experiencing reality in a different way. They're seeing

(32:36):
into the matrix, they're experiencing, you know, spirits that are
coming to them and talking to them. But it's tricky
territory for many reasons. You know, one just being you're very,
very vulnerable in that state, and so you know you're
going to a foreign country.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
You don't know the shamans.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
The shamans are why to you know, there are a
lot of people performing this who aren't actually shamans. And
you're not only vulnerable in just your physical but it's
an energetic experience and if and there are people who
know how to manipulate energy for their you know, which

(33:18):
is for their gain and for your loss. So that
is just something to definitely be aware of. I wouldn't
I wouldn't go out and listen to stories of ayahuasca
and just take them at face value and think like, yes,
this is the path I'm one day into my spiritual awakening,
and this is step two. You know this is going
to be my day too. You know, you really want

(33:40):
to be mindful and cautious, but it can be a
great tool. Now I personally have experience with mushrooms sometimes
and I've had some beautiful experiences with that. But what's
interesting because I am going through my own sort of

(34:01):
personal change with regards if we want to call it
plant medicine. So I live in Indiana, and you can't
get THHC. It's not illegal, like you can't even get it.
I don't think you can even get it for like medical,
but you can get CBD, and so I have had
experiences where I've taken some CBD at night, but it

(34:24):
does have TCHC in it. So this is where I
get confused because I'm like, well, it says there's TC anyway.
So that's why I'm only saying that because of the
plant part. Like I consider it plant medicine even though
I'm taking like a.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Gummy or something.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
But I don't know if it's because I have had
a couple of experiences with mushrooms that really opened up
my psychic perception in terms of being able to see
like very psychedelic. I mean, it's a very psychedelic experience.
But there are plenty of times where I have had
had CBD and then in that space like between wakefulness

(35:05):
and sleep called the hypnagogic state, I have had very
psychedelic experiences, but without psychedelics. One time it actually happened.
I had somebody had given me like a bar of
mushroom chocolate, and I had it in my bedside table
drawer and I hadn't taken any of it, but I

(35:27):
started having psychedelic experiences just by having it, just because
it was in my field, like it was it was
near by, like it was very close to my body.
But I hadn't actually ingested any of it. And I
was like, why am I this is so powerful?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Why am I seeing this? And I was like, I've
got those chocolates.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Right there, and we only just found out that there
is such a thing as mushroom chocolate. So yeah, that's
an interesting thing.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
So how can you discern, like if someone is going
to an Ayahuascar retreat and they've done all their research
and this is a good one, how can you tell
if what you're going through is actually a spiritual situation
or you're not just tripping on the drugs.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean, is it exclusive for each other?

Speaker 3 (36:12):
It can be I a thing.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, it's that's a great question.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
And you know, I mean this, I think that that's
a bigger question about how do you discern spiritual experiences
from you know, generally, like if you're experiencing something in meditation,
you know, how can we how can we be sure
this goes to the imagination versus the true experience.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
And that was a that was.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
A line for me for a long time where it
was like is this my imagination? And not necessarily again,
like not necessarily with ayahuasca or with plants or anything,
but just even in meditation or in a dream, like
I would have a dream and I would feel like, God,
that was so real, and I was with this person
who passed away, and you know, they gave me a
hug and I felt them like I could feel them

(37:04):
when I was hugging them. They felt solid. And yet
I was dreaming was it a dream? Or was it
like a special dream? You know?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
And it was an either or.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
And that's something that through my spiritual awakening, I've softened
that either or where it's like the imagination in our
perception is so powerful and when we try to say
like is it this or this? Was it real or
was it my imagination? It's like, well, what is your imagination?
You know, your imagination is real and it is connecting you.

(37:38):
But what I was doing was shutting off these things
that could have been really great experiences because I was like, hm,
I think it was just my imagination. And then you know,
it's like, it's taken me some time to like soften that,
like just the imagination and be like, what is my

(38:00):
imagination leading me to?

Speaker 1 (38:02):
And we have a propensity to try to explain away everything, right,
so it's just my imagination, so that that's our that's
our knee jerk. We go to that automatically. But the
more that you start, we talk about all the time,
the more you suspend your disbelief and you allow magic
to happen, you open yourself up for more magic to happen,
and then more synchronicities happen, and more coincidences that we

(38:26):
call little miracles, right, Karen called them little miracles. And
if you don't, I don't. I no longer I used
to always say, oh, there's there's gotta be valid explanation
for this and find the scientific way to explain it.
I don't do that anymore because I now just enjoy
the magic that's thanks to her.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, it's like it'sycling to a magic show.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know, it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Then you find out how they did it, and it
just it's not fat impressive anymore.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
In fact, there's this thing that happens when I meditate.
Now it used to happen to Karen. I don't know
it still doesn't know. But I'm seeing these colors like
I'm seeing purple yea, and so everything inside me is going, Okay,
I need to I need to research what are these
colors that I'm seeing in my head like, and I've
scientifically explained them, but I stop myself from doing it
because I don't want to know. Yeah, I'm enjoying the experience.
I'm allowing I'm allowing my mind to think whatever I

(39:17):
want to think about it and just going with it.
And it was it's still it's beautiful. It's really fun
to have that.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Well, and kind of bringing it around to Karen's Karen's
thoughts about like, well, how do you know if this
is real or not? And this is kind of where
that evolution is happening for me with the CBD, because
it's so much easier for me to have these experiences,

(39:42):
these metaphysical experiences at night. I don't know if it's
just that it's helping me to stay in that in
between space because I don't fall asleep as quickly, and
or if it's actually helping my focus in terms of
there's you know, you know how you focus your eye,
and you depending on the distance of what you're looking at,

(40:04):
your focus changes well in your inner site that is
also happening, So it's it's very similar to.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
How your eyes focus, but there's.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
It's like the chaos and noise of the static that
you see behind closed eyes. When I start to have
these experiences, it starts to organize and there starts to
be structure in the chaos, and then I start seeing
these energy patterns and these and I'll get insights downloads.

(40:35):
Usually I'm not seeing like form. I'm not seeing people
or landscapes. Usually it's energy patterns and they're moving and changing.
And depending on how I focus that inner focus depends
on what I see. You know, I might see space.
I might see just like it's like I'm in space.
I might see it more like I'm in a dome

(40:57):
and I'm seeing column very like moss slash cathedral like
senses at different times, lots of seeing liketeroidal fields from
the side and it's moving, which also has it like
psychedelic tree look to it also. So it's been one

(41:18):
of those things because I enjoy those experiences so much.
It was like, oh, well, CBD helps me to be
able to experience these more. And then I guess it
was like two months ago. Now, maybe I had a
really strong dream, and I won't go into the ins
and outs of it, but essentially I got to this

(41:39):
gatekeeper and in the dream, and I was looking for
my passport and I only had expired passports and I
couldn't find.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
And this guy was like so nice, it was such
a such a great guy.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
And I was looking through my backpack and I found
all these gummies, these red gummies, and I just I
had to like two handfuls of them, and I said,
do you have like a bin?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Can I put these in your bin?

Speaker 4 (42:07):
And he like handed me this bucket and I put
the gummies in the bucket and then I kept looking
looking looking, and there were a lot of different There
were a lot of symbols in this dream. So it
took me a while. And actually, I don't know if
you've ever heard of Robert Moss.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I have heard the name. I'm not sure if I'm
not very familiar with them.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
So he is like this dream shaman.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
He's been around for a long time and he's but
he's very He's written a ton of books. And I
actually interviewed him right after this dream. So we used
the dream to kind of unpack all of this and
and so, but I it had been heavy on my
mind and I kept thinking, are the fact that I

(42:48):
threw these gummies away?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Am I being invited to throw away the CBD? And
And that was how I ended up taking that.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
As soon as I had the dream, I stopped and
I was doing I was having it like maybe twice
a week or so, because the downside, I can't remember
my dreams when I take it very easily, and so
I was like, well, I like to remember my dreams.
I like to feel that I'm engaging with my dreams.
And so anyway, all of that to say that I
felt that the dream was inviting me not to do

(43:21):
that anymore.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
And so it's been interesting to.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
See what I can quote unquote what I can do
when I don't have that aid and I am having
experiences where I am still seeing those things.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
It is a little bit harder for me but.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I am like, oh my god, I am doing it
without the AID and so but I do feel so
much that it served, you know, it helped me to carve.
What I feel like is happening is that I've carved
these pathways and I can get into I can get
to these states because I have these pathways carved and

(44:03):
I no longer necessarily need that AID to be able
to take me there. So it's interesting how these things
evolve and how they can be valid aids until you know,
but then we might kind of graduate out of them
and maybe they'll become an AID again in the future.
But it does really seem that right now it's important
for me to not right.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, it does sound like that you're being told you
don't need this.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, it does. Well, we all know the powers inside
it's within. So Okay, So we are quickly running out
of time, So I want to make sure that we
take some time to talk about your show, because we
were you graciously invited to be guests on your show.
We had a wonderful time that your show talks about
all kinds of stuff, right the name of the show

(44:47):
is a sole Elevations podcast. You explore some really cosmic
territory like ascension and et contact and energy healings, all
kinds of stuff. How do all these threads together in
your show, in your work.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yeah, it's a really appropriate question because for a long
time the podcast was called Meditation Conversation because when I
started it back in twenty eighteen, it was really around meditation.
And then with after a couple of years, I started
having much more consciousness based conversations. But it took me

(45:22):
forever to change the name because I liked the the
you know, rhythm of meditation conversation.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
But eventually, I mean literally.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
It's just been in the last few months that I
changed the name to Soul Elevation because the conversations are
really focused on the broader consciousness and I'm not really
talking about meditation.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
I haven't for a very long time. So it's like.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Both of like, if you want to show that's going
to talk about meditation, this is not your show. And
if you don't want to listen to something because you're
not interested in meditation, this could be your show. But
it's when we think about consciousness, there are all these
different threads. It's again kind of going back to that
prism where We've got a prism of consciousness, and the

(46:11):
light that shines into it then has these rainbow fractals
that go out, and that one stream might be energy healing,
and one stream might be ets and how they're helping
us with our spiritual development, and one might be alternative
health and healing and so but the common factor with

(46:33):
all of it is that we are more than the physical,
and we are more than our minds, and there is
something that is connecting all of us, and if we
really utilize that, we can be so much more than
what we think we can be. And so that's really
the core of what I like to explore on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
And here I thought Et just wanted to phone home.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
He wanted out of here.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah today, all right, So when if someone and I've
been listening to your show, and sometimes you do interviews
like what you did with us, and sometimes you do
solo shows where you actually impart messages and lessons for
people to learn. Is there is there a particular person
that you think would be the most appropriate to listen

(47:23):
to your show and really truly have some good takeaways.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
From Yeah, I anybody who is going through spiritual awakening,
and that can there are, like we've been talking about
this whole time. There are different levels of awakening. There
are different ways that we awaken. Some people, for example, awaken,
you know, back to an early question. Some people awaken

(47:47):
because they realize, you know, they go the more of
the conspiracy route, for example, where it's like and sometimes
that's related to like a medical thing where they do
a deep dive and they're like, wait, why don't we
do it this way? Why are we having to take farma?
You know, why Farma is being shoved down our throat?
But there are these other legitimate things and then you

(48:07):
kind of go down that rabbit hole and there's some
really gnarly stuff going on there, and that makes people
start to question their reality. I appreciate a good conspiracy
as much as the next guy, but it's not really
like I don't really go down those rabbit holes on
the show so much. I have.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I've had guests like jk Ultra, who is amazing. I
love her. I don't know if you're familiar with her,
but she, you.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Know, jk Ultra like mk Ultra, you know, so she
is very like conspiracy heavy. I've had Reuben Langdon on
that's kind of his thing too, But I don't really
like all of those discussions are more spiritual in nature
than conspiracy. So that's I would say, you know, you're
not going to find a ton of that kind of content,

(48:54):
but really around more of the empowerment. My issue with
conspiracy is a lot of time it makes us feel
so disempowered, and so even though I love it, I
can feel it within myself of like, oh I'm starting
to feel hopeless, I'm starting to feel drained.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I'm starting to feel.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Like, you know, is like the deck is stacked against me,
and so I prefer to keep my attention, you know,
in other places that make me feel more empowered, because
that is really important. Empowerment is a critical component to
our ascension.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
No, definitely couldn't agree more with you on that one.
All right, So every whenever we have a guest on
the show, every once in a while, we like to
throw some curveball questions at them just to see what
comes out. If you would be okay with doing a
couple couple of those, get a couple here, ready to
throw your way? Okay, So, m here we go. Here's
the first question. If your Spirit Guides ran a podcast,

(49:56):
what would it be called, and what would the first
episode be about?

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Oh, oh, what a great question.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
You know. It's funny because before we started recording, Will
and I were talking about because Karen changed the temperature,
and we were talking about how when the energy gets
really like big, and you're having deep conversations and you're
feeling like spirit is coming in and maybe speaking through
you or definitely influencing your thoughts, it can make you hot.

(50:28):
And so you were sharing stories about that, and I
was like, yeah, I just hosted a workshop last night,
and oh my god, like I got all read and
I was sweating, and but it felt like the it
felt so palpable that there was there was presence there
beyond myself.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
And so I do feel that.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
I work closely with my spirit team, and I do
feel that they helped me to change the name of
the Pie Cast recently, Like I was talking about from
meditation conversation, like that seemed to be more of a
suggestion from outside of myself because I'd been not interested

(51:11):
in doing it for so long, and then it just
was like all of a sudden, like on a dime, Oh,
I'm going to do it this way, And so many
things lined up to support that happening all at once
where I had that idea, and then different I mean,
for example, the imagery that you see behind me with
the geometry sacred geometry, like that came in right when

(51:35):
I was rebranding everything, but it was completely a.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Coincidence, so to speak.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
But different things like that where it's like, oh, the
first episode, one of the first episodes I have under
the new name, it's got a different backdrop, and there's
you know, lots of things changed all at once, but
not by design. So the answer to your question, I
would say that they would call it Soul Elevation.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
That's the name they wanted.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
And then you know what seems to feel really relevant
to a lot of the content that it a lot
of times that my conversations come back to, you know,
don't forget you've got this support from the on the
other side. You've got this team that is backing you up.
Don't forget about them and call on them. And so

(52:27):
I think that that would be an easy first topic
that they would want.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Okay, that's a great, great answer to that question. Okay,
here's a second curveball question, and I love this one,
but you're probably gonna hate it. If authenticity had a smell,
what would it be and why?

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Oh gosh, you know, for me, it's a woodsy okay,
and I like but truly yeah, or like cedar or
you know, but I get that what I immediately saw was
like the bark of a tree, right, And so I
think I would have to pick that apart a little

(53:08):
bit to like, you know, how that happens sometimes where
it's like, well here's my answer. Now, let me see
if I can figure out why that's my answer. But
I think maybe because there is just something so grounding
and so present with like a wooded area or trees,
and there's that stability, there's there's the the network, the

(53:31):
tree network that's happening under the ground where they're all
communicating in this really mysterious way for us on the
surface of life.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Let's go with that. Let's go with woodsy sedery. I
like it.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Karen, you're a big smelt person. What do you think
it would be? Chocolate choc maybe mushroom chocolate.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, I was thinking I was kind of taking apart
to like, okay, well, cuckoos, you know what they used
it in the ancient civilizations for different ceremonies, so that
was always very important. And now that we're trying to
make this more palatable, we're we're mixing it with sugar
and milk, and you know it's it's a lovely feeling
because we eat chocolate. It just it popped into my.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Head, right because cacao is kind of as bitter actually
though the actual is actually a bitter taste.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
It was very limited only the very special people that
right right now it's like, get your little hoshy bar.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Right, that's not real chocolate altway, I mean it is.
It's amazing. Yeah, all right, Karen, this has been wonderful.
If someone wanted to a listen to your show or
be reach out to you to have a deeper conversation
with you, what's the best way for someone to reach.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Out, Well, you can go on my the podcast website
is Soul Elevation Podcast.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
You can reach me through there.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
And I have another website that is karagodwind dot com.
I spelled Kara with a K and I'm on Instagram
is kind of the the one that I'm on the most.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
That's Kara Underscore, Goodwin Underscore Meditation.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Okay, we're going to add direct links to all that
in our show. So if you didn't have a pen
at that particular point in time, you still want to
connect with Caroen, just go to the Skeptic Imposition dot
com go to her episode page. You'll see all those
links laid into directly, so it's easy to say, hey, Kara.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
We were all waiting, Hey Kara, Yeah, no, that was it, Karen,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
That's it, Just like quick, all right, is there anything
that we haven't talked about? You want to make sure
that the audience definitely gets from a takeaway from our conversation.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
I think I would just read I love to reiterate
where we kind of left things when you asked about
if my Spirit Team had a podcast, and the focus
would be you have assistance on the other side, And
I think that we It can be really tricky because
there is so much invisible happening that's influencing us that
we can tap into and let those beneficial helpers really

(55:58):
connect with us. And everybody can do that, and it
does take some subtle perception. You know, there are some
things that you can do to help to be able
to perceive those subtle energies better. But even if you
can't perceive them. It starts with trust, it starts with faith,

(56:21):
and so I would just encourage everybody to know that
you can strengthen that and then play with that and
let your team in on this physical experience.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Beautifully said, that's a perfect way to end the show. Kara,
thank you so much for coming on the show. It's
been a pleasure getting to know you. I know we'll
be in Touched much much longer and I look forward
to listening to more of the shows.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Likewise, thank you, thank you.