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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Karen, Yes, have you ever heard your body speak to you?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I've heard your body speak to me.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
That was private information.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Wow, that's a loaded questions.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well, I guess it won't come as a surprise to
you then, to know that our body has talked to
us all the time, and not in the way that you're.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Talking about talking about hunger, stomach growling.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Or flatulence. No, nothing like that. Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
No.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
In fact, our bodies are talking to us all the time,
but we're just not really good at listening. Okay, Now,
what if I told you that your body has the
ability to tell you exactly what you need and when
at all times.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I wish you would tell me more clearly.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And what if just by listening to your body you
can remove obstacles and even heal yourself of some of
the most nefarious diseases out there.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
That would be incredible.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, you're in luck because today we're speaking with someone
that's here to show us us how to do that.
If you've tried everything else and you're ready to be
the creative director of your own life, you're in the
right place. Welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is
Will and I'm unlike Boulder and Scully, so we've embarked
in a journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Medicians Classic.

(01:28):
You are listening to the classic Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome to
our version of a walkdown Memory Lane as we present
classics from the Skeptic Metaphysician Library, warts and all. Can

(01:58):
you remember a very good friend of the shows, Leora Leone.
Of course I had to share this because she sent
me an email just yesterday that really moved me. And
she didn't have to do this, but she took the
time to send us an email. This is. This shows
you the kind of person that Leora is that she
took the time to do this. Well, a while back,

(02:20):
as some listeners will remember, I released a past life
regression after a lot of thought and consideration. I wasn't
sure I was going to release it, but I did.
Leora actually gave me a past life regression. It was
very successful one. I visited I think three or four
different lives and there's some personal stuff in there. I
released it as is when I finally did, but for

(02:41):
some reason I don't remember not letting Leora know. But
apparently I didn't that I released it, So it just
so happened. She was coming through some videos to put
together some highlights and things like that and came across
the regression and she got a message from her spirit guys,
and she felt the need to tell me what this work.

(03:01):
And now I'm going to share that with you today. Okay,
she says, hey will infarenthes and Karen says, I hope
you are all well. I was putting together some of
my interviews for highlight reels for Instagram and I came
across your past life regression. I didn't know you posted it. Sorry, Leora. Anyway,
while I was listening, my guides came in with a

(03:21):
message for you, and I'm very touched that they would
actually take the time to send her a message for me. Well,
it's about you being highly evolved or elevated. Per our discussion,
that quote unquote cool spiritual things don't happen to you.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
That's something you would say, That's what I say all
the time.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Right, Well, she says, they told me to tell you
that you are highly evolved, the reason being you were
readily able to go into past lives and did it
well when a lot of people have difficulties regressing and
they want you to know. Oh no, they want you
to quit trying quote unquote and allow things to happen.
You are already there. I know, I know, I know,

(04:03):
I know. I've heard it so many times, Leora, thank
you and thank your guides for sending me this message.
It's like the universe hitting me over the head with
the message over and over again until finally, at some
point I will listen and I will learn. But it's
just so hard for me to just let go and
let things happen. What are you letting go of the

(04:24):
expectation the I want it? I want it that kind of.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Thing, you know, well, you know, it's kind of like
you see something and that's not good enough and you
want more, and then you want more.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
No, are we talking about my spiritual awakening or ice cream?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
All of it? All of it?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Maybe both? Yes? Well, yes, I am trying so Leora,
thank you and your guide so much for sending this
message along. I am going to try to stop trying
and allow things to happen. And if you are out
there like me, you are constantly trying. You so want
it so bad that you keep trying and things aren't happening.

(05:03):
Maybe this message was meant for you as well. Maybe
it's time for you to let go, stop trying, and
just let things happen. Now, today's special guest has over
thirty years working as a healer and almost twenty years
of teaching experience. So you know, that's a great combination

(05:27):
that she's combined several different healing modalities to help spiritual
people identify and remove blocks that are holding them back
from creating their healthiest, most successful selves. And it all
starts with listening to the clues that our bodies are
giving to us. Now, there's no way to really succinctly
explain what she does and how it helps people, so

(05:47):
I'm just gonna let our guests explain herself. Welcome to
the show, Jillian Schlager.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Hello, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Now we are excited to have you. We should set
the table really quickly. Let everybody know you actually raciously
gifted each of us a session of your healing technique,
and we're going to talk about that a little bit later.
But first and foremost, let's us understand what exactly did

(06:15):
I talk about when I said there were bodies speak
to us.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
You are talking about plied kinesiology or muscle testing.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Ah, and what are the digit Yeah? Can you? Can
you go into a little bit more detail.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
So plied kinesiology was actually developed by a chiropractor in
the nineteen sixties. He noticed that when he was talking
to his clients and talking about something positive or true,
their muscles were strong, and when he was talking with
something that was not true or they were fibbing about
something the answer was no to a question, their muscles

(06:50):
went weak. And this is across the board. So our
bodies will say yes to us all the time or
no to us all the time, and we just there
is a way to you listen, and that that way
is muscle testing.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
So it's not like your body a little voice in
your body is saying or it's actually you have to
do something. You have to test your body by doing
something that allows your body to speak to you through
the language of the body, which is physicality.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
And you're also you're not talking about like getting butterflies
in your stomach or something like that, or are you
as well?

Speaker 3 (07:22):
That can be I think butterflies in the stomach for
us could actually be a notorious.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
A what, a no, or a yes, oh, a no,
or yes, yes, I thought you said a notorious. I
was like, oh, that's a new term. I have yarded it.
Like okay, So then you you physically have to ask
your body does this taste like chocolate? And it'll tell

(07:50):
you no if you're eating vanilla. But you're not talking
such minute things. You're talking about like is this good
for me or not?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
That kind of thing right right, Yes, we want to
be the conscious creator of our lives, and in so doing,
we want to be able to know which path is
the best one to go down to get us to
our destination in mind, So.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
How is it that your body knows these things? Like
if you're thinking about it and logically you know, but
your body is telling you no, and you're thinking yes,
like how does your body know better than what your
brain knows?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Excellent question, care, really good question. Our brain is usually
aligned and agreeing with stories, facts in quotation marks from
other people. So we think that we should grow up
and be a police officer like our mom or dad,
or join be a doctor, but really our soul's mission

(08:46):
is to be a chiropractor or a librarian or something different.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
And so then like your body, it's like your physical
body is its own kind of consciousness that sometimes didn't
communicate with your brain consciousness.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, our brain is like a computer. And what doctor
Joe Dispensa says all the time is our body is
our subconscious mind.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Okay, I get that, that makes sense, But sometimes it's
just so hard to trust your subconscious mind or your body.
You know, like if you're not doing like the muscle
testing that that you're talking about, how would you know.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I guess you wouldn't know. I guess that's why we're
all screwed up.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, that's why we're here right to talk about that,
because people are You can't always can't always trust your
intuition because your brain speaking, it's your egos, your it's
your mask that you're wearing. Your body. However, there's more
than just your subconscious Your body is your physical reality.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
So when people say trust your gun, yeah, and really
trust your body, you're right.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Makes sense.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
And getting back to the butterflies, if we're trusting our gut. Oftentimes,
if you're on stage, or you're about to go on
stage to give a speed or to you know, do
a podcast or do something where you're maybe a little
nervous and you get those butterflies in your stomach, and
somebody says to you, you know, don't be afraid. They're

(10:11):
assuming that those that physiological reaction is fear, but maybe
it's excitement. How do you tell by muscle testing? You
can tell by muscle testing.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, so how does the muscle testing process work? You know,
you met with Will first and you kind of went
through a session with him. His experience was a little
different than mine, So let's talk about his first How
did that have that?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's what's beautiful about this because it's different with everybody.
And we had a conversation before hitting record, and you said,
how much can we share? And I want to share
everything about as much as you guys want to share.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't know. Everything is a little much.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Wait a minute, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, no, it's just a flat out like you know,
I want to share everything. Well something, let's keep some
things private because not with our session. Our session, everything
that we talked about is perfectly fine. In fact, by
the time people listen to this, if you haven't listened
to a previous episode and talked about the cancer that
was fighting, this might be the time that you find out.
In fact, in order to touch on that we should

(11:24):
mention the fact that you are a cancer survivor as well,
and through the course of several different things that happened,
it brought you to learning this modality.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yes, absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Then when you and I spoke about my immediate problem,
which was prostate cancer, one of the things that really
stood out to me was the fact that you said,
when you remove the energy from something, it can't survive.
So essentially what we did was we removed the energies

(11:59):
around that thought process and therefore that wasn't able to exist. Now,
spoiler alert, my list biopsy showed all benign. Right, you
couldn't see anything. I'm not necessarily saying that this is
the reason. But my question to you, because we did
it not very long ago, could it have worked that

(12:19):
quickly or is this something that probably people have to
wait months and years of applying this technique before something
as severe as cancer would go away.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
I think it depends on the person and your belief
and your ability to be open to change. I've had
I had cancer in the past. I also had something
called hydratinitis, which is cancer is nasty, but this is
nasty as on a totally different level. It's where the
tissue of the skin or tissue underneath the skin starts

(12:51):
to eat itself. It's almost a flesh eating disease, and
no one really knows what it is or why it occurs.
And I had it for on and off for years,
and I finally just got really sick of no answers,
so I just tried to pull the energy out of it,

(13:12):
and within a very short amount of time it went away.
It dissolved and it did not come back. And this
is something you had for years years.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, Yeah, And that's one of the interesting things I
found about your modality is that it's really about visualizing,
but with an emotional connection to it. You look at
something that you're emotionally connected, there's an energy behind it,
and then you physically through visualization, physically kind of bring
it down to I mean, the way we talked about

(13:45):
it was a like a dial like from one to ten,
and you just take that dialogue that if you're feeling
a ten, just drag it down to a one, and
then you see is it still there? Is it gone?
How do you feel? Is it is anxiety still there?
What numbers are at? And it's really you learn to
intuitively listen to your body without having to actually do

(14:06):
the muscle test. And we'll go over the little trick
that you gave us to do the muscle test in
a minute. But what I can tell you is that
there was a situation that the energy behind what happened
at three years ago or whatever when I was diagnosed,
that that was high energy, high anxiety, and by when

(14:26):
I physically used that dial to bring it down, it
was a little stubborn. It came back to probably like
an eight or nine, and they hopped back up to
a five, forced it back down to zero, and eventually
it seemed like it was right around there like one, two,
three area, which was which was great. But then the
added benefit, if nothing else, is as suddenly that anxiety,

(14:47):
that that emotion, those emotions I had in me were
a lot less than it was when we first started.
So this thing is really good for lots of different things, right,
It's it's not just now let's put in the disclaim
this does not substitute you talking to your medical doctor
and a whole deal. But this could potentially help you

(15:07):
to heal some stuff. But also it can help with
subconscious blockages that you have as well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
That's the most fun I think with creating our own reality.
We get this tool and there's a lot of modalities
that talk about seed or of the mind, or using
something in front of you that you're looking at, like
a frame in the Silva method. By using the kinet
divination tools, we're showing our body or mind or subconscious

(15:39):
this is what's in my life. But I would like
this instead. So with the body as a subconscious mind,
we're actually showing the subconscious. I want this, but I
want that.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Can I just say that I love that term kinetic divination.
I think I mentioned to you during during our with
a very cool term.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
I had a lot of struggle with that name.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Let us struggle.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, oh is that because I wanted to be open
for everyone to be comfortable to use these tools, and
I think there may be some people who go divination.
Actually story, I moved to Nova Scotia from Ontario and
a family member said, so, there's a health and wellness expo.
Why don't you phone them and see if you can

(16:26):
get a table. So I did and they said, well,
we'll check you out. That's fine. So I gave them
my website and they went to it and they said, ooh, yeah,
you're not a good match. They didn't let me in
because of the word divination.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
You're kidding.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, I love the name too, so I'm glad to
hear that you like it as well. But I did
struggle with keeping that name.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah. I guess for those that aren't in this space
that we're in right now, the term divination does have
a like a carnival type of imagery behind it, right
the gypsy on the with the crystal ball for telling
your future. And unfortunately there's a lot of Charlatan's out
there that practice this kind of yeah term around but
the I guess that's a challenge. Though. We are talking

(17:15):
about this from a metaphysical spiritual point of view, and
this does help tremendously in that sense when you take
out all the wo at the end of the day,
this is really a great psychological tool to help you
to remove blocks and able to and let's back to
the metaphysical manifest your own reality in the way that
you want it to.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Well.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I think one of the greatest things about it is
that it's hands on. It feels like you are back
in the driver's seat with your body, with your subconscious
with your choices. It gives you a tool that you
can actually physically interact with, and I like.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
There are a few different tools that you have. Because
my assession was a little bit different than Will's. I think, well,
it's about being receptive. I think I just have like
a stubborn ass subconscious, you know, not let any.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Comfort learning something.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, but like there was so many of the questions
she was asking me, you know, is your subconscious willing
to and it is like no, like really I said that.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Like this is good for you. Shut up, say yes,
there are.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
So I guess we probably have to touch on your
session than Karen, because.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well let's start with yours well, because there so we
can get the contrast.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Have we not been speaking about mine all this time? Well?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Really, I mean no, Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
So the way that it worked for us is we
had a conversation ahead of time. We talked about different challenges,
and she has this really cool canvas that she would
put down keywords and help us to understand what it
is that we're battling. Truly at the heart of it,
not well, you know, I can't sleep well night, right,
so what's what's hidden behind it, and we dove deeper

(18:57):
into each one of those things until we've found what
we felt was the crux of situation. And then we
used a meditation, a very brief meditation. We use a
Silver method, And for those of you who are not
familiar with the Silver method, it is a really old
My parents were doing it when I was six five,

(19:19):
six seven years old and they taught me some of
the tenets from it, so it was kind of an
old friend to come back to something I haven't thought
about in a long time. But use a Silver method,
which is an account from three down to one, and
it gets you into the alpha state and there that way,
it kind of removes any kind of blocks that you
might have between you and your body so that you
can communicate freely. And then after I was in that

(19:42):
ready state, which I should mention one of the things
that you mentioned, Jillian, is that you were never able
to muscle test appropriately or correctly until you started doing
a meditation. If you were too close to it, it
wouldn't work for you.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah. Well, we were talking about the map of consciousness
and I was in a resonance of shame, which is
the lowest point of the map of consciousness, it's at
twenty megahertz. So to accurately, like doctor David Hawkins says,
to accurately muscle test and receive answers from our body,

(20:18):
we need to be at the energetic resonance of two
hundred or courage or above. So doing the Silver method
is one way where we can unhook from the high
functioning beta brain where we're trying to analyze. I'm totally analytical.
I analyze everything. So the Silver method allows us to
get into the alpha state and that detaches from the

(20:43):
beta and then we can allow ourselves to kind of
raise their consciousness. And the next step that you may
be talking about next is after the alpha breath we
talk about and sink and feel into the gratitude of something, someplace,
some one, and that really jacks up the resonance of

(21:04):
our body in our mind, right.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
And that's what you were saying. The muscle testing never
worked for you unless you were in a state of gratitude.
And that makes a lot of sense because you are
raising your vibrations, you're vibrating a certain hurts rate that
aligned you with the language of your body.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, i'd muscle test, I'd be dating a dude, and
I'd be like, Oh, this is the one, this is
the guy. I can just feel it, and I'd muscle test,
is this the guy? And I'd get a yes, and
then we'd break up a week.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Later, but my body said he was the guy.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, my body like him very much.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
This is a family show, Jillian.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Right now, we can actually use that.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I work with my clients sometimes to see where muscle
tests the body to see where you're actually attracting love
for relationships or friendships, or that job or that client
or that money into your life. And we should really
be be attracting from our hearts, and oftentimes we're not.
We're attracting people from different areas for different reasons.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Which point then she had me and I don't want
to give it away just yet, but she had me
do the test and I could ascertain a yes from
my body from a no, and based on that, we
narrowed it down even further. Now we need to take
a break, so when we come back, we're going to
talk about exactly how you do muscle testing so that

(22:32):
anyone listening to this right now could do it immediately
with positive results. And we'll also talk about why Karen's
maybe wasn't quite so positive. We will be right back.

(22:56):
We're back on the skeptic and positions today. We're talking
to Gillian Schlager, who who is an expert kinetic divinator.
How did you like I twisted that around a.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Little bit like that?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Is it divinator?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Divinator diviner?

Speaker 4 (23:13):
I know.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
It just reminds me of a We're talking about muscle
testing and how our body speaks to us. By speaking
and being in contact or in tune with our bodies,
we can actually help remove a lot of blockages that
are keeping us back, not just physically, but mentally and
psychologically as well. And right before we went to the break,
we teased that we were going to teach people how

(23:36):
to muscle test. So before we go into care and session,
let's go ahead and put it out in the open.
How does someone go about testing themselves right at home?
Right now?

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah? So right now, and you guys can pause this,
take a minute and do some deep breathing to connect
with your body. Deep breath in, relaxing, exhaling, and visualizing
and repeating three three times. Taking another deep breath in

(24:07):
and exhaling, visualizing and repeating two three times. Another deep
breath in, and as you exhale, visualize and repeat one
three times and breathing normally. Imagine someone, someplace, sometimes something

(24:33):
a pet that you love unconditionally, someone something that you're
grateful for, and imagine that gratitude and ask that gratitude
to give you an image that is clear in your

(24:54):
mind of why you're grateful for that person, place, or thing,
and ask your brain to turn it up. Turn up
the gratitude, turn up the happiness, turn up the intensity
of that gratitude, and that this space of gratitude is

(25:17):
when you can tune in and muscle test your body.
You're going to ask your body for a yes or
no answer, but first we're going to do a baseline,
and you can do different baselines with muscle testing. One
of the easiest one is pinch your finger, middle finger
and thumb together and then loop them together so you're

(25:38):
making a chain and pinch really hard and then pull
against each other just to test. Have a baseline test,
and then you ask your body what is yes? What
does yes feel it? So you're going to say yes, yes, yes,
and pull against and it should stay strong, And then

(25:58):
ask your body, what does know feel like? Pinch and
pull yeah, and your.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Fingers Madearin, you have to be in a state of
gratitude to be thankful when you're asking the question.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
The other thing is, and I think a lot of
some men and a lot of women want to feel
and be strong and independent and then control and in
that space we're not allowing our body to feel. That
just a little bit of a difference between yes and no.

(26:35):
But the next one that I really love is just
putting your dominant hand. So if you're right with your
right hand, put your right hand on your clabical, your
color bone. Put your hands flat, your thumb, your fingers flat,
but raise your index finger with your other hand with
your just testing the baseline, pushing down and that finger

(26:58):
is going to resist the pushed. And then ask again,
what does yes feel like? And was no feeling? You
just want to Sometimes it's that little subtle difference between
yes and no and you connecting with your body. You're
allowing your body to show you what yes feels like

(27:22):
and what no feels like.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Karen, did that one work for you?

Speaker 4 (27:25):
So this is the issue that we had during my session.
And I don't know if it's something about my subconscious
wanting to stay in control. But the thing that I
loved so much about Jillian was that she did not
give up on me. And we went through a few
different tests and somehow she got this information out of
me that was nothing like what I thought we were
originally going to talk about, because we kind of talked

(27:46):
about just need to feel like I can do things again,
and I've become invisible and I want to know be
this person that I used to be and now I'm
just it's all about me. Well, sorry, you opened the cannon.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
So no, I wanted to be about you.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
So by the end of the session we realized that
really with my my yes, Gidget, whatever, is this really
incredibly strong sense of emotional responsibility I have about my family,
Like I feel like I hold all of their emotions
because of me, they're holding it together, which obviously cannot
be the case. But when she was asking, you know,
like subconscious or my higher self, are you willing to

(28:20):
let go of that? It was like no, because I
think feeling like if I let go, it's going to
be bad for them, and I can't let that also
part of your idemedy and it's become such a part
of me. Well, me, I cry all the time, but
but this time it was like it was really it
was incredible and she you know, we talked about the

(28:41):
intentions and that's something I'm still doing all the time,
and thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
For that tool.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
But it was really, it was just really a very
it was it was a great session. I mean, like
I said that, I was like, this isn't going to work,
and then I felt bad because the stuff what's working
for me?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
But she never never made me fish.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
She made me feel comfortable to say, yeah, it's not
working instead of them I feel bad, right, and then
to keep pushing through and figuring out a way.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
To really discover what was going on and to help
me with that.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
It's all feedback.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
And I suppose that if you were to do this
in person with a kinesiologist, you put your arm out
and they would push it down or not. And then
really it's not up to you, it's to your body
either allowing it or doesn't. So this is this it's
almost like a psychological mind trick that you're playing on
yourself that you're not allowing yourself to really feel the

(29:32):
difference because it's you yourself. So I understand.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, I have a really fun story. I'm writing a
book for hey House. It's called Dancing with Shadows.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Congratulations, that's awesome, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
So kind of a preemptive. I went into school to
talk to the kids about bullying and what it does
to your body, and I had a classroom full of kids.
I brought one kid up to the front of the
class with me, and I had cards with positive and
negative words on them. So the one kid faced away
from the class, and I showed this card to the

(30:05):
class of the other kids. They read the word, they
did not say it. If the word was positive, and
they all the class was thinking the positive word and
projecting it think written on the kid's back. If it
was positive, the kid tested strong. If the word was negative,
the kid tested weak. And the kid never saw the word. Wow.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Interesting, that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah. Yeah, just goes to show you that there's a
physical response that you don't have to have belief it's
there or it's not. I think when your brain comes
into it, that's when things become a little bit more
challenging for you.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah. We have all these stories of what we should
do or be, or can do or be that gets
in the way of us creating the life you desire.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
And I think for me, part of it was also
my parents split up when I was really young, and
my mother heard thing was, you have to go to school,
you have to be independent, you have to get your career.
You don't need anybody. You have to be strong, strong, strong, strong,
you know. So maybe saying yes to everything to me
was more of a weakness than a strength, and like
you have to say no and this doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
I think maybe somehow my body might be a little
bit muddled on what's what really being strong means, you know,
an independent, So that might be part of it too,
Like it's kind of been ingrained since I was, you know,
seven eight years old.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Sounds like you're gonna have to talk to Jillian a
lot coming up here.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Well, And there is quantum entanglement. We become entangled with
other people's perceptions, energy's thoughts, beliefs.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's true that now you opening up a whole other
cannon worms that, you know, how do you disentangle yourself
at the quantum level?

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Reading your Facebook posts and I love them, I'm like, oh,
look at this.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
All of her on Facebook?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
She posts great stuff entangling on VICI disentangling is just
I eject this from my body.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, and you bring up that term that I wouldn't
bring up because it was so cool. We both agreed
that when we when you use it with us, we
both just up right. When we had one of the
things we talked about is empathy and taking other people's
energies or other things energies into us that doesn't really
belong there. And you said, very simply, just when you're

(32:13):
doing these types of exercises, it's a very simple phrase
to tell yourself, and that is I eject all outside energy.
And I'll tell you what. When we both had the
same response, that is such a powerful phrase that when
we say to ourselves, it gives us a sense of
peace and reduces the energy so much that it's become

(32:38):
our mantra now and our everyday mantra.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
And then add to that what she told me, you know,
I claim my body. Yes, that to me, So first
I eject and then I claim that's my Well.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
She didn't tell me to claim, so maybe she didn't
want me to claim my own body.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I mean, I just had more issues.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
But I think men are raised to own our own bodies.
I think women, and I think the old and as
when we had the coming out party, we were actually claiming, hey,
we're an adult now, we don't have that anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, that's true, that's very true. Yeah. So then after
we tested, we did the muscle testing and we had
got a BASELINEUS, so what was yes or no? Then
was the fun part. Then we started asking questions about
that particular topic that we had narrowed it down to
in saying is this minus is not? Is this this
is that? Whatever? And then what Depending on the answers,

(33:35):
we then took it a step further, and that was
the visualization process, right. And I loved your image of
the big whiteboard, the number with the number line on it. Yeah,
and that's what I was talking about earlier because my
particular challenge was a heavy duty number like nine ten,

(33:55):
the energy that was charged with such negative energies that
through with your help, I actually asked me to grab
that energy in that timeline that was nine ten and
physically drag it down to a one. And then you
had different versions. One was the timeline that was straight
across the whiteboard. The other one was like a like

(34:16):
a pendulum chart thank you. Pendulum chart and you you know,
and that's the one that helps me. That's what I
use as the pendulum chart. So I'm able to bring
it and dial it down. And I guess maybe the
act of dialing it down also psychologically helps me to
really own it in that sense.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Did you use the same I think the number line
worked better for me, but it was this is another thing.
It was like, you know, are you willing to give
some you know, let go some of this Nope, some
of that responsibility.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
It did change, it did get better.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
I think my results might not have been as good
as yours because my sometime much more stubborn. Yeah, but
it definitely did make a significant difference for me.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah. In full disclosure, I was dealing with cancer, right,
so I was very motivated to make this thing work.
So because that motivation, whatever whatever it took, I was doing,
I threw myself with abandon into this thing.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
And when the desire is there, I use that to
quit smoking, Oh wow, to quit smoking. Yeah, And I
did it one time and it worked, but my desire
to quit smoking was at just the highest point. Plus
what I did in somebody anybody can use this when

(35:31):
you're listening, or if you're listening right now, posit and
think of a whiteboard in front of you. And just
like we use the muscle testing with a finger, or
you can use the arm for muscle testing, the whiteboard
is muscle testing as well, but.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
On a quantum level. Right, because it's not your physically,
you're not doing anything. It's all in your mind.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes, it is your mind, but it is your mind
relaying a yes or no response to your body in
all of muscle testing. So even with a pendulum, a
pendulum and any divining tool is muscle testing.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Right. You actually mentioned, and I forgot you had mentioned
that some people get to the point where they don't
actually have to do muscle testing. Right, you can actually
divine it. You intuitively know what the answer is as
you started asking questions as your energy heroes are there,
I kept asking, but after a while it just it
would instantly. I would instantly know. And you also did
a yes or no, So which one was lit up

(36:33):
for me when you ask the question? And it's one
of these things that it is. It's so subtle and
so fast that if you think about it, you're going
to get the wrong answer. Right, It's got to be
something that is just like an immediate answer, what is
the first answer that comes to mind? And I was
able to jump into it. Now people say I'm Claire cognitive.
That might be something that helped, but I suddenly started

(36:55):
being able to intuit the answer and it seemed to
have worked well for me.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, I think using these tools again and again will
strengthen that.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well. I've been using it almost daily since then, so
thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, there's they're just they're easy to use. I like that.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
It's not like oh I got to do this, you know.
It's like, oh, this mantra or this you know visualization
and it helps a lot.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, so sure does. Now what kind of things can
you use this for? Is there anything that you can't
use it for?

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I think the stumbling block is when you we are
vaper emotional about something. That's when it kind of gets muddled. Yeah,
I mean people like for you to help, right, Yeah,
and a lot of empaths And this is why I'm
very empathic. And I was told so many times growing

(37:45):
up stop being so emotional. And I thought, when I
was older, there has to be a reason our bodies
are so smart, so there needs to be there has
to be a real and for these emotions. So this
is a way that we can use our emotions as feedback.

(38:06):
But if we're a highly emotional about something, so yesterday
I couldn't find my cat, and I had seen a
car outside my neighbor's house yesterday afternoon and I thought
I heard them say, oh, we'll just we'll just take them.
We'll put them in the cart and we'll take them.
And then a few hours later I couldn't find my cat.
So my brain went to go, oh my god, it's

(38:28):
something me steal my cat. I was so highly emotional
there was no way I could muscle test. So I
just waited, calmed down, intended for the best possible who
come in. Then he came in a few hours later.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I was gonna say, acquiring minds need to know where.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Is the cat? It is hard.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I think that was the issue that I had.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I was so emotional about everything.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
And you know it's like, you know, well, you're focused
on you know, getting rid of the cancer, and that's
something that you desperately want and it's only a good outcome.
But my mindset was if yes, I will feel better
if I don't bear the responsibility of all these people's emotions,
good for me, but bad for them because.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
They're going to be flailing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
So there was like also in my mind a negative
outcome as well.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
So that's where my struggle.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Is, right, and I think I kind of need to
define it a little bit clearer. Yes, my motivation was
to get rid of the cancer, but talking with Jillian
help working with her helped me to understand that there's
an energy behind that that could have contributed to my
getting it absolutely, and that is the energy that we

(39:40):
were trying to completely deflate. Right, So that's what I
was thinking about when I was doing that timeline, and well,
damn it, I'm gonna say it worked. So because then
that that emotion that I was carrying around with me
is decreased tremendously. I'm hoping it says that way, but
if it does, nah, I know how to bring it

(40:02):
back down.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Well.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Coming back to thank you for that, and I'm so glad.
I'm so grateful to hear that you think that this
could have had any impact, But it really, I believe
does when we take control of our body, our mind,
and our emotions. And like I said before, I was
add an energetic resonance of twenty megaherts, which was shame.

(40:26):
They've actually done testing and found that cancer grows at
forty two megahertz and helone. So I know that I
was living in shame for decades, and that's such a
motivating factor for me to come online bring these tools
to people. I'm so passionate about not cheating anything hidden.
I want people to know these tools because they're so simple.

(40:48):
They're so simple and easy.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
It's not something that's intuitive. God forbid, someone in the
West actually says, oh, just think your cancer away.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Now.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Everyone who's in this who knows anything about metaphysics knows
that it is one possible to heal yourself. There are
full on documentaries about healing yourself. Doctor Joe Despenza himself
healed himself in with his mind from a terrible accident
that he had and he talks about it all the time.
So it is possible, but you have to be in

(41:21):
the right mindset, you have to have the right tools
to do it. You can't just wish it away. There's
some work you have to do, and so far we've
done carrying a lot of different healing modalities, a lot
and who knows which one of them. Maybe a combination
of them all is what helped get rid of it.
But these tools, Jillian, that you shared with us are

(41:42):
so simple and yet seemingly so powerful. Because the minute
I walked out of this room after our session, I
felt lighter than when I had walked into it. So,
whether it is a placebo fact or not, I loved it.
And I can't advocate enough for people to reach out
to you to do this for themselves, because it's nice

(42:02):
to hear about it on the show. And sure you
could practice it yourself while you're listening to this or
watching this, but please don't do it while you're driving
a car. But there's no substitute to actually being in
contact with Jillian and having her walk you through it.
She's infinitely patient, and the way that she's able to
find her way to the root of the issue is
nothing short of miraculous.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
I mean, I had no idea I was going a
completely different, completely different Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Well, we a lot of times our worst problems are
so hidden from us because we're too close to it.
So this really helped to reveal a lot of things
that I didn't realize that I was still carrying around
with me.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
And then another thing I liked about the session was
she was telling me to take your life and put
it into segments and just you know, if you're going
to the mall, make that be a segment and then
have an intention for that segment. So I tried it,
and running late to pick up Sana from school, I'm like, hey,
this is a segment that drive to school. It's normally
a seven minute drive and I had six minutes to
at there. I'm like, not going to get any mid lights.

(43:02):
It's going to be a great jove. I can get
there on time and just us hitting the last light
because all the rest of them were being turned red,
but it just turned green and I did not have
to stop.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
I'm not saying you can do this for everything and
you don't want to abuse it.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
I'm like, Oh, I can't do this every time, but yeah,
I don't know. The same is you're I'm there in
six minutes instead of seven.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Segment tinking is something that Abraham talks about a lot.
And when you are segment intending, look at what you
want to create, intend for and have that intuchin. So
next time and look for this and your areas that
you're saying segment, attending or creation in general, look for

(43:48):
deep positive So you don't want so if I'm attracting hurtner,
a friend, someone to date, I don't want to say
I don't want to I don't want a smoker. I
say I want someone who is conscious. So I don't
want red lights and use instead I want all green lights.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
I just was like, I'm going to get there on time. Yeah,
I had one bit less than normal, but I was
going to get and I did.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
That's a great, great point that we didn't talk about.
You were very much about keeping it on the positive
side of things, because everyone knows manifesting, you're telling the
universe what you want, not what you don't want. And
when we're negative, we're showing a universe what we don't want.
I don't want red lights, Oh well.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, the universe only ever says yes to you. Right,
So you say I always get red lights, the universe
goes yes, you'll yeah, always yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And if you say I don't want red lights and
never says okay, let's keep them not wanting red lights
because you keep getting red lights.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah. The actor I was thinking about the active component
of each sentence. We say, so the active component is
red light.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
So then what you're saying is I'm going to have
all green lights and spin it in the positive and
that really helps. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Same like if you said, don't think of alving.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Uh, I'm not. I'm no, I refuse.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
And I love that term segment tending.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Segment intending.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Oh well, I put it all together as one and
call it segment tending.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Words up as you go along.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
You're just great. It's the language of will.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I'm still trying to figure that out.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, it takes a lifetime. All right, Well, is there
anything that we haven't talked about? Jilli and I want
to make sure that we touch on before before we
say goodbye.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I think this is a good place to just close out,
asking people to really focus on the positive and please
ask your body. Please use your body and your emotions
as feedback. See the life that you see in front
of you as feedback, not the end result. And be
brave to chiggers what you actually desire.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
That's great, that's great.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
And if you are not understanding your body language, contact Tilian.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
She can translate.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
She's the body whisperer is, but the muscle I guess
muscle whisper is probably a better term. Well, Jillian, I
can't thank you enough, not only for coming on the
show today and sharing of your wisdom, but also for
sitting with us individually and helping us to go through
these things and maybe helping me to get rid of
my cancer. So let's keep that positive. Thank you so much.

(46:29):
And if someone wanted to reach out to you to connect,
what's the very best way for them to do that?

Speaker 3 (46:34):
And the best way I'm always on Facebook, so you
can helme reach out on my main Facebook page, or
I have a website that's chileanligger dot com.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Easypsy. We're going to add direct links to Gillian's website
and social media on our show notes, so you can
just go to Skepticmanaposition dot com find her episode right
there in her episode show notes you'll see the links
directly there. It's just a click away. Again, Jillian, thank
you so much. Thrilled to have you on the show,
and I'm sure we're to stay in touch for sure, and.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
We're excited to see that book when it's done.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yes, and when you have the book, let us know
so we can just put it on our show notes
as well. We'll add a link to it.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
I will thank you so much. It's been great chat. Guys.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Hi, my name is Bob and I am getting in
touch to you guys about the Judah Collective podcast I
just listened to today. There is a study that was
done by the Monroe Institute and it was called the
Explorer Files. It was from nineteen seventy four to nineteen ninety.

(47:42):
I think it's a collective of about thirty different tests
over in these years. And when the Judah Collective, when
the lady went into the spiritual world.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
The way that she spoke, it almost gives me chills.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
The extreme resemblance how they speak from how she does
versus this study in the Explorer Files. I would greatly
greatly recommend listening to them, and I'll try to send
you a link.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
You just heard a voicemail message from Robert trego He
used the handy little voicemail application that we have on
our website. Go to Skepticmanavision dot com. You'll see a
little tab on the right hand side saying leave us
a voicemail. We'd love to hear from you as well.
So please feel free to leave us any kind of
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(48:37):
prefer that we air it or we keep it to ourselves.
We absolutely love feedback, as we said many many times,
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you as well, So Skepticmanavsian dot com hit the leave
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We look forward to hear from you really soon, and Bob,

(48:58):
thank you so much for taking the time and leaving
us a voicemail and then the follow up link that
you promised in the audio. We got it and we
can't wait to check it out. Thanks again, well thanks
for coming along on this journey discovery with us. We'd
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(49:20):
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That's all for now.

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