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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Karen, let's test your knowledge of will. Oh boy, what
is the number one thing I've always wanted to do?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Astro project?

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Astral project? That's right?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
That and eat unlimited cake.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Oh, we need to get someone about cake. No.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
No, this one's about astral projection. It's that all elusive
skill set that I've been trying to gain forever. Well,
I think today we're going to solve it.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Whoa, Yep.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
This episode is all about astral projection. What is it really?
What are the benefits of leaving your body? And most
of all, how.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
To do it? Step by step?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yep, We're diving into the easiest way to master out
of the body travel. Welcome to another episode of the
Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm garous, and
unlike Boulder and Scully, both want to believe. So we've
embarked in a journey of discovery.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Welcome to Skeptic Medicians Classic. You are listening to the
Classic Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome to our version of her walkdown
Memory Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic met

(01:15):
Physician Library, warts and all.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, today's story is.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Called the Blind Girl. There was a blind girl who
hated herself purely for the fact that she was blind.
The only person that she didn't hate was her loving boyfriend,
as he was always there for her. She said that
if she could only see the world, she would marry him.

(01:51):
One day, someone donated a pair of eyes to her,
and now she could see everything, including her boyfriend. So
her boyfriend dropped to one knee and asked her, now
that you can see the world, will you marry me.
The girl was shocked when she saw that her boyfriend
was blind too, and she refused to marry him.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
The boyfriend walked away in tears and later wrote her
a letter saying, I understand, Please just take care of
my eyes.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Dear.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I won't even give you the moral of this story.
I'm sure the message is loud and clear. Hey everyone,
I'm will We are your guides of this journey of discovery.
Today we've got a special treat. Florentine Eonita is an
astral projection teacher and explorer who has created the world's

(02:50):
most complete astral projection program, the Astral Projection Accelerator Program.
He's helped hundreds of students achieve out of by experiences
with the help of this systematic training methodology, and I
could not be more excited to talk to him today. Florentine,
thanks for being on show. Hello, Hello, thanks to thank

(03:10):
you for having me. So We've got a lot to
talk about, and I know Karen's going to tell you
that I can talk about this stuff forever. So I'm
going to try to keep it as concise as I
can and let you speak for a little bit. But first,
let's set the table so that everyone is on the
same page. Astral projection out of body experiences, what exactly
is it. There's a lot of misconceptions out there, right,

(03:31):
so let's put some of those misconceptions to rest.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, great, So that's a good price to start, because
there is a lot of misconceptions. So the first one
is the idea that we are leaving our bodies and
that our body is going to be empty, and that
someone's going to take over the body maybe or something's
gonna happen to their body, and there's a fear there,

(03:54):
maybe that we're not able to come back if we
travel somewhere. There's all this whole idea of sep from
the body kind of thing. And although it feels like
we are moving away from the body, that we're leaving
the body in a strained way when we're doing it.
I think the truth is more like, we are not

(04:15):
in our bodies in the first place. Our consciousness is
not in our brain. Our consciousness is beyond this dimension
in the first place, and it's projecting itself to our
physical body, to a human experience. And then when we
have to project, it's basically our consciousness projecting itself somewhere
else in a different reality. That would be where ass

(04:38):
projection is. So you can also be in multiple plays
at the same time. So you can be occupying your
physical body while you're doing this practice, aware of the
physical body, and at the same time you can be
aware of a complete different reality as well. You can
have multiple parallel projections.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
So so if someone coming into this topic cold, you
just dropped about fifteen bombs.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Now that sounds exist.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
In less than two minutes. So let's take it back
for a second. You mentioned that the consciousness does not
reside in the body. That you're talking of course about
the theory that our consciousness is not developed by a brain,
but rather it lives outside of our brain, and our
brain is actually just a filter that allows us to
live in this three dimensional body. It's a super interesting

(05:30):
thought and one that I've talked about and thought about
a lot, because the thought of projecting our consciousness into
our bodies to the use of our brains is intriguing
and it opens up a lot of possibilities in the
quantum realm. If this resonates with you, then this conversation
is going to be easy one for you. If it
doesn't resonate with you, then we have got some work

(05:52):
to do. If they're first and foremo so, then you
are also talked about being in multiple places at one time.
At that point, now you're talking about the fact that
we are an infinite being. Also, the quantum physics thought
that there is no time, that all time is happening simultaneously,
so that could be something along those lines. So trying

(06:12):
to catch up those that aren't as versed in some
of these concepts. If someone doesn't resonate with some of
these concepts, for lack of a better word, is astra
projection completely out of bounds for them?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
No h So there's like two different beliefs that you
can have with this. You can believe that, like I
was just saying before that consciousness is beyond the body,
beyond the brain, and you can therefore trouble to different
realities that are outside of you. Or you can believe
that consciousness is in your brain and that everything that's

(06:47):
happening to you is always in your in your mind,
in your imagination, and that's all. That's okay. You can
have that belief, and you can still ask the project.
You can still have these experiences and now you can
kind of make what you want out of it. You
can still you can believe that, oh, that was just
some type of dream or that was happening in my mind.

(07:10):
It's okay. You could have that belief, and I think
a lot of people do have that belief in the beginning.
I think it's healthy to have the belief of maybe
this is all just the illusion or a dream or
imagination and whatever. And then you know, you have that belief,
you have that skeptic kind of mindset, but you still
have an open mindset with that because you are willing

(07:32):
to try this out for yourself. To start with the practice,
you start doing the actual work and you start having experiences,
and then through that journey of experience, you start to
shift your belief system, you start to have experiences that
maybe you won't be able to explain with that theory
that it's all in your mind, because maybe you will
have an experience where you see something outside of your room,

(07:56):
maybe your neighbor's room, that you have never seen before,
and then you go out in the physical the next
day you check out the roof and you see actually
the same thing. You know, things like this happen all
the time, or that people go to people's houses and
they overhear conversation and they can come back and recall
exactly what happened. Tell that brand I saw you having

(08:18):
this conversation with this person in these clothes. Is that true? Like, yes,
that's that happened. And those are those kind of confirmations,
personal confirmations that then take your experience, your perception of
reality to another level where you start to expand what
you believe is true about this reality and about yourself
and about the universe. And it's kind of the whole

(08:39):
purpose of this is to take you on that journey
of truth where you start to unravel more of what
reality is and what you are and what is going on.
And so it's totally okay to have that belief in
the beginning that everything is happening out here, it's totally okay.
One of the main questions I guess from people when
it comes to this topic is why why would you

(09:03):
do this? Why would you leave your body and go
into different dimensions? And what's the point? Like iasy like
for you and for you, you didn't. You didn't actually
ask me that question because it's so clear to you
why And I wanted to ask you why. Why do
you want to ask the project? Why do you think
this is something that you would That's a great question

(09:23):
for me. It's a way of validating that this stuff
is all real. So in the show Open you'll hear
we talk about the fact that we're like Molder and Schully,
we really want to believe. But I'm the kind of
mindset that I have to feel it. I have to
sense it, taste it, touch it. Right, I've got to
know it's real before I can just full on believe it.
And I got that when it became a Reikie practitioner.

(09:46):
I did feel these energies, which then led me to think, Okay,
if this is real, then there's boundary other things out
there that are real as well, but it's eluding me.
So I figured if I can ask for project and
if it as real as you're saying, like as palpable,
as it's not a dream state kind of real, then

(10:07):
that is going to prove without a shadow of doubt
for me that this stuff is real. So that's really
that's my why, That's why I've always wanted to ask
to project. So for you is confirmation that this stuff
is real, correct, And it's very much the same for me.
I'm very much like you, like I need to have
the experience to believe something a conscious like believe in everything.
That's kind of the whole purpose with afterprojection specifically, it's like,

(10:30):
don't believe what people tell you, don't read books about
all kinds of stuff. Go ahead and just have the
experience yourself. Learn how to do it, find out for yourself,
because the difference between believing something and knowing something experiencing
something is massive, It's completely different territory. There's one thing
to believe that you might continue after physical death, there

(10:52):
might be an afterlife, your uncle, that I might be
somewhere out there, and knowing through experience a difficult different
state of mind, right, so you know, think about how
that would feel to have that knowing through your personal experience.
So it's a it's a very different experience as a

(11:12):
and if someone was motivated like I am about confirmation.
I think you alluded to earlier that there are certain
benefits to astral projection. Can you share some of those
with us? Yes? So, to me, asks projection is a
tool for spiritual evolution. It's a it's a tool to
discover your spiritual essence. And I think when you are

(11:33):
in the spiritual community and you learn about these different
topics and you find out that, oh, you are not
a physical body, human being, you're something more, You're something
beyond this, the question comes up, like then what what
am I? What am I more than this? And how
can I like experience this? And this will be the
way to experience this. And you can experience this stuff

(11:55):
with psychedelics. It can take different substances, but that's a
completely different thing, and it's usually maybe a bit more intense,
and not many people already ready for that. This stuff
is very smooth, you know. It's like I said before,
you you will take it to places that you're ready for,
So it just smooths the journey that you can go
on and start finding about finding out about your essence,

(12:19):
who you are, where you are, about the universe. And
it's also a tool to connect with somebody that has
passed away, that has basically left from this physical realm
and gone into different realm. You can connect with them.
And we have students that do that all the time.
And I mean seeing a students that had lost their
loved one connecting with them in the astrol and then

(12:41):
having the talk with them afterwards and seeing how happy
they are and how like you know, it's it's it's
amazing because there's such a healing experience built to talk
to somebody that you love that you you think you've lost,
but then you find out that you haven't lost them.
They're still there and this is a tool for them
to connect with somebody like that. And then of course

(13:01):
is the connecting with spiritual guides is a which is
a big one as well. Many people want to connect
with their spiritual guides that knows everything about them and
get guidance on their life and what to do that
wants to it called Ashwin. He found out his life's
purpose with the help of his guides and this is
one of those super important things to do, which is

(13:22):
one of those keystones things that you want to do
as well, Like you want to connect your spiritual guide
to get guidance, to get help to navigate the astral
because you want know where to go that you will
know they can help you. It seems like a no
brainer to me.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
That's more of my motivation. I don't need the proof
because I do believe it, but I feel like it's
something we're supposed to do to become more and that's
what that's what I want.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Right So in your estimation, Florentine, you think eventually everyone
will get to the point where they do this regularly.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Is this part of our spiritual evolution? Then I really
believe that. I really believe that this is what we're
supposed to do to evolve our consciousness constantly, and I
understand what we are and what we are not and
understand the true, the truth about this reality. Right So
that's kind of alter what it is about, understanding the
bigger picture, and with that comes great, great peace, great healing,

(14:19):
great I mean, the more I think for you guys too,
the more you find out, the more kind of amazed
you be about what's happening, and the more the more
loves comes from that, from knowing the bigger truth. And
so I think it's definitely a part of our evolution
to go on this journey of truths and expansion.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
So you said that some people might think, well, was
that a dream? So kind of take expanding on that.
Sometimes when you sleep, you have these dreams that are
just incredible and seem incredibly vivid, like you are right there,
I mean, could you be I guess while you're sleeping
as for projecting and not on accident, but like not
inten doing it. But is it something that could just happen.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yes, that's something that happens actually to like ten percent
of the population. People have these spontaneous out about experiences
and for the most part they shreak out because they
don't know what's happening. And it's very scary if you
don't know that this is possible to start leaving your body.
Might you might think you're dying, You might you know,
I think something weird is happening. And then also it

(15:23):
happens a lot in our sleep. When we're sleeping, we
have more unconscious experiences. For the most part, we might
not remember them, or you might remember some pieces, maybe
that we are flying and we saw a village or something,
but we come back from that experience and always kind
of disregarded to be a dream, but sometimes could actually
be something more than a dream. But I think the

(15:46):
best way to do this is to describe what is it?
There was the difference between a dream, and then ask
projection because of the you know, the lines are kind
of blurry. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
In fact, I was going to ask if someone's freaking
out because they do this in this and suddenly they
freak feel they're dying. It must feel different because that's
always been my big thing, Right, is it me just
dreaming or using my imagination and feeling like I'm leaving
my body? Like does it feel other physical sensations when
you leave your body? Do you feel the wind whistling

(16:16):
through your hair as you're lying through the night or
is it really just a mental projection?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Great question. So that's why people freak out because it's
so real. They don't even know that they're I mean,
they don't even know that they're out of body. A
lot of times I have students when they go out
of body, they actually think there are standing in their
room physically, and so they they leave their body and
they're like, oh, oh, I'm just I'm still physically standing

(16:43):
in my room. Everything looks the same. They go back
to bed, and then they wake up and then they realize,
oh my god, that I was out of body just now.
But it was so real that I thought it was
physical reality. Okay, So it's that level of realism, and
sometimes people report that it's even more real than their
physical experiences.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Definitely encouraging to me because you talk to people and
they're like, oh, it's just like it's like just like
it's in your imagination. And to me, it's kind of
a compout if I'm not feeling it, but I if
I don't feel something different, it feels like I'm not
really astro projecting. So I'm hearing from you that it
is indeed feels like you are physically somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, it's it's insane. It's it's really insane. Like I mean,
when you it's only when you have the first time
that you can just like grasp what would just what
just happened? Because it's I remember for me when I
heard this as well, I was also a bit skeptic.
I was also thinking, hmmm, maybe these guys, these people
just imagining these things, because I would go to different retreats,

(17:48):
to different workshops, meitation workshops, and I always meet these
people that they always had this very interesting stuff happening
for them. When they're closing their eyes, they all kinds
of stuff, and I was like, nah, I don't see anything.
It's just I'm just I'm not even Yeah, nothing is happening.
And I was always wondering if these people are just
kind of making things up or they're just measuring things. Yeah,

(18:10):
because people so it wasn't stuff around all the time,
Oh yeah, when I left my body or it's such
a buzzword. It's like everyone in this space is talking
about astro projection or leave out of body experiences, like
just throwing around like if it was hotcakes. But that's
what makes someone like me who's been struggling trying hard

(18:31):
to do it for so long, get super frustrating and thinking, no,
you guys are full of crap. This is not it
can't be real. So yeah, totally, I mean that's exactly
what happens if you tried for a while and then
don't get very far. Then you know you're you're going
to have all kinds of stories that you're going to
tell yourself, like this is not real, or maybe you're
going to have the limiting belief that I had, which is,

(18:52):
I'm not gifted enough to do this. I don't have
the ability to do this. This is for special people.
This is for someone that has meditary for ten years exactly,
and I'm not one of those people. So a lot
of things can come like that, and that can also
become a limiting belief which blocks you from actually being
able to do it, because now you're creating a belief
system around it that you cannot do it, which is
not helping you. So it's but yeah, it's the moment

(19:16):
that you have the experience is the moment that you
truly go, Okay, this is possible, and the experience is
extremely real. It's it's very physical and you you can
feel things, you can touch things with your hands, you
can smell things, you can see things, you can hear things.
Sometimes you're hearing can be so and halls that you

(19:39):
can hear things that are really really far away from
the room that you're practicing in. Like for example, if
I practice, if I do the practice in a city
like London, I would be I can get into a
state where I start hearing conversations of lots of different
conversations taking place, as if there's like people sitting in

(19:59):
my room. And in the beginning, a lot of times
I actually got confused. I actually thought someone walked into
my room, and so I took off my headphones and
looked around, like, what's happening here? Is someone's coming into
my room? There's nobody there, but it's so clear. The
sound is so clear. And if I do it in
a place that's like just nature around the area, I
can hear birds and the river creaking, and like the

(20:23):
sounds that will be in that environment I hear very
clearly as if they're next to me. So it's very
very interesting how our senses when we get into these states,
get very heightened beyond the physical possibility that we have
with our physical senses.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
That's interesting because sometimes when I dream, I can I
can smell things, or I can taste things. I just
thought that was normal dreaming, And I don't know, will
do you smell and taste in your dreams? I never
asked you that.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't think I ever have No, I don't smell
or taste or I mean hear things.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
But well you got to hear things well, but well in.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
A dream, i'm more.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm it's more less less hearing it more seeing it
in my mind, Like I know that they're someone saying something,
but it's not like auditory really Yeah, yeah, I mean
I don't I don't think. At the same time, I
also don't remember my dreams a lot. Very seldom do
I remember my dreams, so.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Like when you have a dream that you're flying, you
don't feel it.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Like the only dreams I've had have been and it's
it's been a very long time since I had one
of them is falling. I've had dreams I've been falling
and that has been really unnerving. Yeah, yeah, really unnerving.
And now that I think about it, Florentine, could that
have been an astral travel in my dreams? I mean
it feels like you feel, you know, when you are
on a roller coaster and you go down one of

(21:39):
those the drops and you feel in your stomach. It
kind of felt like that, believe it or not, in
the dream?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Could that possibly have been a projection?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah? So I wanted to do this before as well.
It's to define what a dream would be, and I
won't ask for it actually will be because they are
cousins in a way. So the way I see it
is that there are multiple dimensions and they have different
quality or different purpose as well. And so to me,

(22:11):
a dream is also a projection. Your consciousness is projecting
itself into a reality, and you're now experiencing it as
as it is your only reality in that moment. But
the dream space, this dimension of the dream, we call
it the mental plane. It's kind of like a mixture

(22:31):
of everything that you know, you know, every everyone you meet.
It's it's kind of your little simulated reality. You know,
you might see a picture and then your dream about
that thing that was on that picture, and your thoughts
are very much blended with that reality, and it's changing.
It's very kind of liquidy. You know, you can look

(22:54):
at one direction, you see something, you look at the
other one that when you look back that the whole
seri is now changed. Two door changes to the window.
It's not very solid. And usually in a dream, or
you will have your child with friends, maybe your family,
maybe lots of familiar characters might be in that experience,

(23:14):
and then a lucid dream would just be the fact
that you become lucid, You become aware in the dream
that you are dreaming, and then you can just see
it's where it is, you can see it. Oh, I'm
in a dream. Now, I'm in a dream reality dream
dimension now a master projection or an etheric projection, or
there's this other dimension you go to. When you go

(23:37):
to those places, they will be they'll have different a
completely different There'll be a different environment. It will not
be the environment of your own creation. There will be
an environment where you're meeting more objective realities, places that
are actually that exist but on a different frequency of reality,

(23:57):
and there things usually are more solid. If you look,
you see a building on the right, you look to left,
we look back, the building is still there. And you
cannot just change the environment as as you wish, like
you can an a lucid dream where you can kind
of change colors of the walls, or you can. You
kind of have this power over that experience because it's

(24:17):
your generated reality that you are experiencing. You are also
creating that reality. Elucid dream and a dream, but an
ass projection you occupying a place that's occupied by other
consciousness beings as well, and you cannot just change things
as you want. Things are more solid, and a lot
of times when you project yourself to these places, you

(24:38):
end up on a street maybe that's just completely empty,
there's nobody there. You have to kind of look around
to find something to do. It can be a bit
empty in the beginning, and to find maybe so much
talk to or to your figure out where you are.
It's a bit like you're just being dropped at in
a you know, a different city, in a different world,
or maybe in a forest or that you know, there's

(24:58):
countless places to go? Is it?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
And you bring up a good point, all these places
you go. We've heard that you can go to astral school.
We've heard that you can talk to God. We've heard
that you can see past loved ones. Is this just
a traveling of the mind? Is it you can go anywhere?
Or these are actual physical places that you go to,
physical places there there are non physical places that you

(25:22):
go to. Maybe you can also go to physical places
as well. There will just be a different shift of frequency.
But for the most part, when we leave our when
we project our awareness out of our bodies or in
different realms. We the frequency that our consciousness is in
that in that state is it's usually a frequency that

(25:45):
doesn't really it's harder to be it's it's harder to
be in a physical dimension. So it's harder for somewhere
to to get into this physical realm with a non
physical body than there is for them to be in
a non physical realm.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I see.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
So it's not like I can go visit my daughter
at school in astral form and just kind of sit
and watch her in school, or yes.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
You can, you can, just saying that it's a bit
more unnatural and a bit more difficult for you to
do that versus to be in the astral which is
like completely your natural environment to be in when you
are in this form, in this set of consciousness.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So in one of those environments, is everybody else else
in there also astral projecting?

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, so you you might go for the most part
of this is this is a hard question because there's
so many ways that this could This could leave it
to caring to ask the hard questions. But yeah, you
could be uh, you know, traveling out of body and visits.
So I would say like this, some people naturally, they're

(26:50):
as soon as they're out of body, they're like in
their flats, they're in their house, they're like looking around,
they're going through the wall, going out their neighborhood. They're
seeing things in their physical reality very easy, Like their
energetic body has that kind of has that frequency that
it's going to kind of drawn to the physical a lot,
and it's very easy to to be there. While other

(27:11):
explorers when they got a body, they always end up
in a completely different reality. They're never in their surroundings,
and it's kind of difficult for them to go to
the physical world, so to speak. But you can go anywhere,
like you know, you can train yourself to go to
different places, and we have the ability to do both.

(27:32):
I think a good way to think about it because
we all have the Internet nowadays, so we understand how
there's different websites on the Internet that you can access
with your computer, and that there's a network that connects
all of these websites. You can think about that in
the same way with dimensions. You have multiple dimensions that
there will be like same as a website, and then

(27:52):
you have the network that connects the different websites, which
is the quantum field which connects all these different dimension
and then with your consciousness you're able to travel to
this different websites or dimensions. And they're countless of them.
I mean, I don't know if we didn't even know
how many there are. There can be infinite amounts of

(28:15):
different places to go to. And some of them are supervolves.
You know, they're in the future. You know, they have
like flying cars and technology we can understand. And others
might be super like primitive and having an invented fire
and they're kind of, you know, very confused, and ah,
there's everything.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, there are so many questions. I mean, so many questions.
We are just getting started. When we come back, we
gotta take a break. When we come back, we're going
to start talking to Florentine about potential dangers with astral
projection and then get into the n idea of how
to do it. So stay with us when we come back.
You're not going to want to miss the rest of

(28:55):
this interview. And we're back with the skeptic metaphysicians. Today
we're talking to Florentini or Anita, who is a master
astral projector. He's a teacher who taught hundreds of people

(29:17):
how to achieve out of body experiences. He's got a
systematic training, a methodology that is shore fire. So we
are picking his brain about all things astral projections because,
as you know, this is my favorite topic in the world.
We talked a lot about what astral projection is and
all that kind of stuff before the break. Now I

(29:38):
want to get into the nitty florentine first and foremost.
I've read Bob Monroe's book, Journeys out of the Body,
and a lot of people who are listening know about
the Monroe Institute and all the research that they've done
with hemi sync, which is sinking the two hemispheres of
the brains using binaural beats, all that kind of stuff.
The CIA has a whole document now that you can

(29:58):
look for it yourself. Right now, you can downloaded the
Gateway project. It talks about hemi sink and things like
that to achieve out of body experiences. But in Bob
Monroe's book, there's a part that made me very scared
because he started talking about encounters with entities that maybe
aren't the best things to run into in the astral plane.

(30:22):
Is there anything that we should be afraid of when
we first leave our bodies. You've already mentioned that no
one's going to come over and take our bodies or anything,
But are there any entities out there that we might
get a little nerve wreck over, you know, demons or
beings or astral beings that maybe don't want the best
for us?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Okay, So first, what I would like to share is
that when we leave our when we project our awareness
and we leave our bodies in this way, we are
still going to be in a world of duality. We're
not leaving duality anytime soon, you know. We're still there.
So of course there's going to be dark, darkness and

(31:05):
light that's going to be feared. That's going to be love.
So there's going to be beings of lower vibrations and
beings of high vibrations. It's going to be dimensions where
there are weird creatures and sick people and all kinds
of weird stuff going on, and it's going to be
places that are full of light and love and beauty

(31:27):
and amazing and profound. There's everything. Just like on the internet,
you can go and you can find crazy websites and
you can find beautiful websites and just like in the
physical reality, you can go to places that are very

(31:48):
scary and dangerous, it can go to places that are
beautiful and amazing. And it's interesting because sometimes I wonder, like,
before we incarnated here, did we get any debreachs from
somebody what is going to be like to have a
human physical life? And if we did, how did that being,

(32:10):
you know, describe it to us. It's it's interesting because
I think even I will believe that even you know,
we will probably know a lot about this place before
we come. And even though we know that there are
crazy things going on here and you can get killed,
and there's wars, and there's rape, and there's so many

(32:31):
bad things that can happen to you, we still choose
to come here and experience a physical life because there's
so much growth, there's so much potential to have this
physical life. And so I see an abjection a bit
like that too. There's everything out there, but there's so
much amazing things out there that those negative things that

(32:53):
are out there shouldn't sort of stop you from going
out of body. So that's the first thing. And then
the second thing is that we are indestructible. We are
not fragile when we got a body we you know,
the other day, I was in a dimension where I

(33:15):
was witnessing a fight and there was some sort of
police force fighting some other people. I don't know what
it was exactly, but I as soon as I saw that,
I ended up just in the middle because a lot
of times, when you focus on something, you just arrived
there because your focus is there. And this actual police

(33:35):
officer of some sort started to attack me, started to
punch me, and the punches went through me like nothing.
I couldn't feel anything. It wasn't hurting me. There was
no pain, there was nothing. It was just like it
was a strange, little bit strange.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
So I've had dreams where someone's fighting me and I,
you know, either I don't feel it or I can't
hit them right.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
But I've always known it is a dream.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Now, what you talked about before the break, you said
that it is a definite, palpable difference from a dream.
You you were there, more real than real, almost, is
what you said. So these punches when he was going,
he was hitting you, and it was good, just going
right through you. It wasn't a dream. You were there.
The astrol cop was there, and he was throwing punches
at you and you just weren't feeling it. It's just

(34:21):
it's kind of hard to wrap your head around how
that could.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, it's hard to wrap your hand around it. Well,
I think too, I think what it could be? Uh
what help is? Think about as a like we we
are physical right now, We're in a physical body, and
when we touched things in the physical, these things, these
objects in the physical, they're vibrant at the same frequency,

(34:45):
so there's solid to us. We cannot put our hands
through the table, you know, it's it's a hard surface.
But when we are out of body in this non
physical format, like I can touch my table in my room,
and I can actually put my hand through the table.
I can still feel that it's an object, that can
feel the surface of it. But if I press I'll

(35:07):
actually be able to put my hand through it. So
we are a bit like a ghost, but not a
ghost like made of air that just kind of like
just disappears and appears. It's a bit more solid, But
it depends on the frequency that you're occupying, the dimension
that you're in, you know, the vibrations of that dimension
and the vibrations of the body that you're having in

(35:28):
that moment. It is complicated stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
For sure, he was punching in his hands were going
through you. Was were you maybe in a physical dimension
where he was like we are now here? That makes sense,
so like, yeah, he couldn't put his hand through the
table sort of thing, but since you were astra he
could put his hand through you. Do that makes sense
at all?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
It is asking, Yeah, though it makes a lot of
a lot of sense. And to be honest, I don't know.
I don't know everything, Like I don't know why he's
his hand went through me. I was surprised. But I
also know that sometimes I got a body, and I
have a body, and sometimes I don't have a body.
So sometimes I look down and there's nothing and it's

(36:10):
I'm just a point of awareness in space, and sometimes
I have a body. Sometimes I look myself in the
mirror and I see something. I see someone not necessarily mean.
Sometimes it can be different to me than a parrelel
dimensions weird. Sometimes I can see myself it's cool. Yeah,
Sometimes I look myself in the mirror, but I see

(36:31):
through me. I'll see the see in the background, as
if I don't even exist. What I've what I've seen
is that a lot of times when I when I
look at my hands, which is one of the reality checks,
is look at your hands to see if you're you know,
you have five fingers, because then you know, okay, if
you have five fingers and they look normal for the

(36:51):
most part, you're going to be in the physical But
if you have weird looking fingers, then you are most
likely in no physical environment. Now it often happens to
me is that when I take out my hands, I
don't even have hands. I just I'm used to it
from the physical, from being a human, that I'm supposed
to have hands. But in a all physical I do
like this, and I don't see them. But because I'm

(37:12):
focusing on having hands, I can see how they start
to grow out, like I see my palm growing out,
and I can see my fingers popping out one by one,
like and then I have hands because I projected them,
like you can create things in these dimensions with your consciousness.
Your consciousness is extremely creative in that. And that kind

(37:32):
of brings me to the other point I wanted to
make about the original question, which is entities and all that. Yep,
your consciousness is going to be a very important sort
of starting point for your experiences. The background you have,
your knowledge, the way you see reality in stead of being,

(37:53):
it's going to have a past impact. So if you're
somebody that has a lot of steer, if you're someone
that has been assuming a lot of fearful content about
ass projection, or you're super religious and you think this
is a sin and that the devil is going to
come in after you, or that there's demons to come
in after you, it's very possible that you're going to
create that kind of experience for yourself because your consciousness

(38:18):
isn't separate from the experiences. You can see that in
the physical. You can see how in the physical manifestation
works like that. You know, you can focus on something
like a car or something that you want to happen,
and then that would then appear in your physical reality,
usually with some sort of delay, usually take maybe hours, weeks,
years for you to manifest the thing that you've been

(38:40):
focusing on. Now, in these non physical realities, you can
manifest things very quickly. They just happen very instantly.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Right right, So it goes back to always creating your
own reality in that world there is no veil, so
you can manifest much more immediately than you can in
this swe dimensional world. Take the answer about whether there
are dark endies out there as a check, Yes, there
are first, but it's really dependent on your mindset. So
if there's that such a thing, and I totally get

(39:12):
why there would be entities like that, how do you
protect it? Well, you mentioned that we were indestructible, so
it really is known. Is there a need for protection
or is there something we need to do or prepare
ourselves other than think good thoughts before we start doing
this stuff? Well, yeah, so there's still los so much
to say about this. So one other thing is that

(39:32):
thinking good thoughts can not necessarily That doesn't necessarily work
because you can think good thoughts on the surface, on
the conscious level, but on the subconscious level, you might
have a lot of fears and limits and beliefs and
all kinds of stuff lingering there which you might not
know of or you might know. Obviously, you kind of
go deeper with yourself, so it's very important to deal

(39:55):
with that kind of stuff, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
When I learned about these things, but when I learn
about ass projection, the first experiences I've had were very pleasant.
There is no there's there's nothing negative of anything. I've
started to have more weird experiences when I started reading
about the weird stuff online. That's when I start to
have more weird experiences. Uh. And I've seen that there

(40:20):
is a connection between the things that you think, the
things that you worry about, your fears, and the experiences
that you will have. And I've also started to see
how there's this you know, there's this mechanism of consciousness
to take you on a spiritual journey to get you
to heal, to get you to evolve. And you know
how how consciousness works, Like as soon as there is

(40:42):
fear in your physical reality, Uh, then consciousness arranges itself
so that you can face that fear, so that you
can overcome that fear, so you can hear heal that fear.
We are constantly taken on a journey of healing. And so,
mister Sam in these others, if you have a bunch
of fears or worries, you will be taken onto experiences

(41:06):
that will challenge those fears and will essentially help you
to over I mean it's that they're mate so that
you're supposed to overcome them. You're supposed to kind of
look at them and kind of laugh at them. You know,
see a demon let's trying to attack you. Instead of
being like, oh my god, it's real, I'm going to die,
it's just kind of like, ah, I don't believe in
you go away, and they kind of vaporize.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Apparently our dog wants to get involved in the conversation
as well, probably saw one of the entities and he's
trying to ward it off.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Right now, how they say animals are very sensitive.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah they are. Yeah, So what you're saying makes so
much sense. Now, I just wish I had not read
Bob and wrote the book, because that's what I hadn't
thought of dark entities until I read his darn book.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Now that's all I could think about. Well, but it's okay,
because you know, if the really cool thing about it
is that think about it this way. To me, the
way I look at it is that physical reality is
it's way more dangerous than non physical realities. Why. Well,
because in a physical reality, if you are in a

(42:10):
situation that you don't want to be, if you're perhaps
you're going down a dark alley and someone wants to
rob you or do something bad to you in that moment.
In the physical reality, you're gonna have to fight, or
you're gonna have to run, or it's tricky and you
can get hurt. You can even die. Maybe you get
run by a car that hits you and you get

(42:32):
really injured and your physical body dies and came over
in the physical realm. But if you're out of body
having these experiences, which by the way, you're having all
the time when you're sleeping anyway, non consciously, unconsciously. When
you are, then let's say in a place that you
don't want to be, maybe you're seeing some weird entity

(42:53):
that is coming towards you or whatever, you can just
think about returning back to the body. You can just
think about your room, or think about, oh, I want
to go home now, and boom, witness in me a second.
You're now waking up in your bed and you're completely
safe and sound. There's nothing, nothing bad happening to you.

(43:14):
So any weird experience that you don't like, you can
just come back in to your comfort of your home
and your pajamas and just be completely comfortable and safe.
How often can we do that in the physical You know,
you're in somewhere you don't want to be, and then
you're just like, oh, I want to go home, and
then you're back in your in your house, safe and sound.
That doesn't happen. You have to go home somehow, right,
it will be nice. So we have stuper powers. When

(43:36):
we're out of body. We can teleport basically, we can fly.
We can fly, we can go through walls, we can
do things that we cannot do with our physical bodies.
Because of that, we are sort of like superhuman. And
in this about a state, you have a question here.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
You want me to go nod because I know what
you want to ask, so the ahead.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Okay, that all sounds great.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
And sometimes I know that I met some certain parties
that I really wish I was home. You know, you
kind of have to kind of have to be there,
but you have to just sit there and bear it.
It's probably some some work functions. But that all sounds
understandable completely.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
I get it. It, Yeah, makes sense, And I would
like to before you go on to the next question,
I would like to just share a little story just
to hit it home a little bit better for some people. Okay,
because there is there is not enough information about this stuff.
You know, it's there's a lot of misconceptions. So a

(44:35):
lot of times people see dark figures and it can
be it can be very confusing and also can be
very scary if you don't know what it is sometimes. Right. So,
so a friend of mine went out of body and
in the kitchen saw this dark figure in the corner,

(44:56):
and for the most part, most people just get scared
at that point and and no, thank you, come back
to the body and just go, oh my god, there's
a demon in my kitchen. I have to sell the house. Yes,
right now, exactly what my thought process was tonight. We
can't stay yeah, exactly now. Luckily, this guy had a

(45:18):
very different mindset. He was very open minded, which is
one of the key things you want to be with this.
And he was like, there's a dark looking figure in
my in the corner of my kitchen. I wonder what
it is. So he goes closer to this figure, and
as he gets closer, he then realizes that because this
this this darkness starts to kind of disappear and he

(45:39):
now sees clearly what it is, and it was his son.
And his son was having not a bad experience. Oh, well,
he was sleeping in the other room, and now he's
having an interesting conversation with his son, a little kind
of back and forth daddy and son kind of conversation,
and it's a beautiful experience. The next day he wakes

(46:00):
up or he wakes up from the experience and he's like,
oh my god, I had this experience, goes and talk
to his son. His son didn't remember anything of that, unfortunately,
but for him that was a beautiful experience. So he
came back from the experience going, oh my god, this
was amazing. I met my son out of body in
the kitchen. He's beautiful. And the only difference if you

(46:23):
look at this, like the difference is what filters you
put on to the experience. You know, do you go
into fear sort of way because you don't know where
it is and you discard it as something scary, or
do you go into like open mindedness and you kind
of go and find out what it is. And this
is what happens a lot of times as well, that
people just kind of freak out and they run away
and they report something negative. A lot of times there

(46:43):
could be something completely different than you and you think, right,
So instead of going into it with fear, maybe your
suggestion is to go into it with curiosity. That makes sense, yes, curiosity,
open mindedness.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Love.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
So one of the things that we do with our
students is before the practice while in the practice, when
they're starting the process, is to focus on filling themselves
with love so that that raises their vibration to this
vacancy of love. And it's also one of the protective
mechanism that you can use when you're out if you
are experiencing like some sort of negative anths that they

(47:20):
don't want to talk to. Now you you can project
your love out to that being or fill yourself with
love and for the most part, that will just dissolve.
They'll just kind of disappear away. I'd love it. You're
helping me to get over my fear. So maybe that
could start doing this.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
And that's a great tip for anybody listening too, if
they're kind of starting to explore a little bit, just
you know, fill yourself with love and besides feeling good,
it'll protect you as well.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
All Right, Florentine, let's get to the nitty of it.
Now that we're getting closer to the end of the show.
What's the best way for someone to experience something as
miraculous as an out of body experience? What's the best way?

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Well, the best way I would say is to work
with somebody that has done it and that can show
you the way because it is a confusing journey and
as you can sell by this just conversation, there's so
many details to it. So if you're trying to figure
this out on your own, you're most likely going to
get stuck quite a few times on the on the journey.
So it's it's really helpful to have somebody that you're

(48:18):
going to be spending time with, asking your questions, doing
the practice, and then asking more questions, and that back
and forth is really really key because this is a
it's a very it's a very serious practice. You don't
want to just like throw yourself in there with not
knowing what you're doing. You want to have somebody help
you with that process. So that's what I would say. Now,

(48:41):
are you looking for to to know some techniques or
some tricks like that, or if it's.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
And we're going to I know that you teach a
class on this. You've helped hundreds of people to achieve
these results. In by the way, you're going to gain
another student here shortly after the show. Oh no, Karen,
We're going to add the links to your program directly.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
On the show notes.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
So if you're interested to grow skepticmposician dot com, go
to his episode page. You'll see the link there directly
laid in for you, so it's easy for you to
access it. But if someone wasn't ready to reach out
to you to talk to you about getting into your program,
is there anything that you can provide, any tips on
how to prepare themselves for doing something like this or
even maybe achieving a small moncum of success with it

(49:22):
before reaching out to you.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
So I would say, before reaching out to me, there's
nothing you have to do, because we rework on everything
from the beginning with the program that I've created, because
that was the whole idea. It was like, Okay, I've
discovered something amazing. I want to show this with the world.
People don't believe me when I tell them about this,
so the only way to share with them is to
make them have the experience themselves by teaching them how

(49:45):
to do it from the beginning. So I knew that
I wasn't the gifted person. When I started this, I
wasn't a master meditator, and I know that the people
going to teach or the wayst I thought of it, it
was like, I want to teach someone like me that
is not gifted. You know, superhero at this stuff doesn't
meditate for make sure for years. So how do I

(50:06):
help that person? From step one? You know, what do
they have to do? So we covered all of that
with the program and there's nothing you really have to
do before that. In the program, we work on in
the beginning, we talk about what it is that you're
going to do, you know, how this stuff works, to
what to expect, and it's we talk about the mindset.

(50:26):
We talk about different blockages they might have, and we
work with healers and hypo therapists to to help you
overcome some blockages that you might have. Like if you
know you have a fear of going out a body,
we need to work on that. You can't have that
fear and practice it because it's not going to work.
You're gonna you're going to stop yourself, like your subconscious
knows when you're ready for these different steps. And that's

(50:48):
another thing that I didn't mention before. But it's almost
like there is a safety mechanism built in place the
whole time. You will not be taken too far if
you're not ready for it. You'll be taken to you know,
as far as you're ready. So a lot of times
people might have given fear to get out of body
in the first place. And so if you have that
fear when you're in that state and you started to

(51:10):
get close, you'll then feel free, fearful, and then it
will stop, so you won't be able to get out
if you have that fear. So then we have to
be incorporated, you know, a solutions that which is working
the therapist to help you overcome those fears so that
you then can feel relaxed and so you can get
into this state. And then the program continues with videos

(51:32):
on teaching the three main methods of how to get
a body you know. The first method is a way
to do it through dreaming to become conscious that you're dreaming,
and the you can transition from a dream into naster projection.
The second one is one of one of the more
powerful one which is in when you're going to sleep.
There is a special soundtrack that have created that wakes

(51:53):
you up just enough staate you to form some sort
of techniques that can then take you out a body
from sleep from some waking up from sleep. And then
the third one is of course through deep meditation. We
meditate yourself into this very very deep state where then
can get a body. So we teach all of these
different methods and we teach that with videos and we

(52:17):
have soundtracks, special soundtrack for each method. And then we
have the coaching, of course, which is so key. That's
where you can ask questions personal questions about your situation,
how you are doing the practice, and how you have
to change the practice it's more successful for you. So
that that's how the program works. And if you wanted

(52:38):
to prepare anything for the program, if you felt if
you still feel like, oh I still want to do
some sort of work before this program, then I recommend
watching our video. We have a video on the website
that is about half an hour long that goes through
a bunch of stuff like this. And another one is

(52:59):
to meditate, to learn how to meditate, so learn how
to concentrate your mind on one thing very important for
the practice. That's how we get more control over where
we go and what we.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Do great get starting points.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
So the very best way to learn how to ask
to project is to reach out to Florentine Unita and
join his accelerator program because he's going to walk you through.
He's going to hold your hand and walk you through
every step of the process safely. So people like me
who are afraid of and counting end of these or
dark ended easer beings that maybe don't want me out there,

(53:39):
you can help us through it. So that's great, all right,
I'm sold, you sold me.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
I'm on board.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
But we're going to add direct links to that program
in our show notes. Like I mentioned earlier, we're also
going to add links to your social media so people
can reach out to you. If they're so inclined. Go
to skepticmanephosition dot com so you can connect with Florentine directly.
If you have any questions about astro projection, he's the
man to go to. You can certainly come to us,
but we're not going to be able to answer him.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
So we'll tell you where to go. Yeah, in a
good way.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, where to go, and I'll tell you where to
find some answers.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
That's right, that's right, Allia Florentina. It's been an absolute pleasure.
Thank you so much for coming on the show and
sharing your wisdom with us.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me and
looking forward to see you in the Asstow soon. It
sounds good to me. Yeah, we have a party.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Well.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Thanks for coming along on this journey discovery with us.
We'd love to continue our conversation with you on our
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(54:48):
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All of our shows, including this one, can be found
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(55:10):
appreciate hearing from you.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I hope you've enjoyed this episode as much as we have.
That's all for now.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
We'll see you on the next episode of Dyskeptic Metaphysicians.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Until then, take care of

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