Ontology, Neuroplasticity & Spiritual Awakening: Discovering the Nature of Being

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Karen. Yes, you stared up at the sky and wondered
who am I?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh, of course I think everybody has.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
I mean really wondered, like in that deep soul searching
existential way where you're halfway through a tub of ice
cream and questioning the universe even notices your lactose intolerant.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I can one up the ice cream I did in
the Sahara desert, yep into like the blackness of the sky.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Are you just ruined the joke?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm sorry, ice cream. Yeah, and I had my tub
of ice cream in.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
The desert and wondering, questioning if the universe even notices
your lactose intolerant. Yeah, I worked really hard.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I was kind of just trying to right.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well, today's episode might just blow your mind because today
we're talking about ontology. Oh that's right, ontology. You know
what that is?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I think I think I used to know. It sounds
very familiar. Well, and I'm not confusing with ornithology.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I was just gonna say, not to be confused with
ornithology unless you're contemplating the nature of being while watching birds.
Ontology is the metaphysical study of existence itself.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was way wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
But fear not, We've got someone here who can help
us untangle this cosmic spaghetti. Doctor val Rautova is here
to answer that question that's been burning in the back
of your brain, what does it really mean to be?
And spoiler alert, it's probably not just about binge watching
Netflix and forgetting your Amazon passwords, although same now. Doctor

(01:28):
Ritova is a brainiac in every sense of the word.
She combines neuroscience, epigenetics, and metaphysical magic to help us
understand the nature of reality. Wow, and trust me, by
the end of this episode, you'll either be enlightened or
at least be able to drop the word ontology at
your next dinner party and sound like an absolute genius.

(01:49):
So grab your fevorite beverage, shy tea kumboo chair, or hey,
that third cup of coffee and let us dive into
that big question, what does it really mean to exist?
Don't worry, we'll ask the questions so you don't have
to awkwardly google them later. The Skeptic Metaphysicians starts. Now,
my name is Will and unlike Mulder and Scully, believe

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so we've embarked in a journey of discovery.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
metaphysical world.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
joined a coven of witches.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
And wait, you joined a coven yep.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
All on the interest of finding something, anything, that will
prove that there's something beyond this physical.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Three dimensional world we all live in.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
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is a powerhouse of knowledge and inspiration, seamlessly blending the
worlds of neuroscience and spirituality. Doctor val Ratova is a

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behavior neuroscientists with a PhD specializing in the brain mechanisms
behind fear and anxiety related behaviors. With over seven years
of studying and applying ontology, a profound sub branch of metaphysics,
she's uniquely positioned to guide us in understanding the very
essence of being now. As a self proclaimed neurosciences spiritualist,

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to profound life changes. A burning questions he's here to
address today. Get ready for an enlightening conversation that bridges
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welcoming the brilliant and inspiring Doctor Val Retova to the show,
Doctor Val, how are you doing today?

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Hi, thanks so much for having me. I'm doing great.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Awesome, awesome doctor. We are excited to be here because
you study ontology, which means you know the answer to
the burning question that humankind has been asking themselves for eons, right,
the meaning of life?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Ha ha, Yeah, look I did. That's right, that's right,
that's me. Okay, awesome, So we're all years Oh you
want to know now, I.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Mean, no time.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Let the present, Doc Rbrook. Having engaged in that subject
of ontology, which, as you said, is the branch of
metaphysics that studies being with the capital B, I can
tell you that the meaning of being where your existence
is actually created moment by moment, each second, each moment.
I know time is a linear concept in our brain,

(07:00):
but it's not really linear regardless. Let's just stick to
how our human brain proceeds time and we'll just say
it's linear for now. But yeah, the study of being
ontology is really gives you the opportunity to create your
life moment by moment, and if you do it right,

(07:20):
so to speak, you'll be able to do it free
from the past.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
So then does that mean that The answer to the
question we'll just ask is always changing, correct.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Just like ourselves, We're always evolving. It's always an interaction
between us, as you know, our physical beings, metaphysical beings,
energetic beings, whatever beings, beings with a capital being.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I see what you do there.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
It's ever changing. It really is ever changing. Nothing is
set in stone.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
But then you are one of those rare breed of
doctors or scientists that are okay, living in the gray areas, right,
because most scientists wouldn't accept an answer like that, Like
scientists need a definitive yes or no, black or white,

(08:12):
something that is measurable and is repeatable. So you're talking
about something that is, by its actual nature not repeatable. Well,
how do you come to terms with that as a scientist?

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, well I like to live black on the edge,
so to space. You know, you're right as a neuroscientist.
As a scientist, I am very much. You know, my
skill set is in the three days, so to speak. Yeah,
I like to look at every little molecule underlying whatever
behavior and say, hey, that's the molecule it is this,
So yes, that inspect ive very much enjoyed that kind

(08:49):
of pragmatic application of science, not to say that as
a scientist, I also know that whatever we say now
in twenty years time in the world of science will
likely be outdated. You know, people will say, hey, what
you said, or I will say, hey, I reviewed this
podcast that we did twenty years ago, and you know

(09:10):
what everything I said was was is not the case today.
So I'm very much aware of the nature of science
and that respect to as much as we'd like to
attach ourselves to some sort of certainty, I don't think
certainty really exists in that sense. So we do live

(09:31):
in an uncertain world, maybe pretending that there is certainty.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
So like getting a definitive answer that's not finite.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, but is that really an answer then though? Really,
because it just brings more questions, Right.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
What's an answer for them? In the moment?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
But the moment? So it's so far who is Michael
Singer right in the book I'm reading right now, he
says that moment is the moment you just you're facing
right now, that moment in front of you. But you
turn to the left, there's a different moment. Then you
turn to the rate, there's a different moment still, and
then behind you. So there's moments are fleeting, and so
that answer is fleeting, And how can you accept an

(10:10):
answer that is so fleeting.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
But it's a slow fleeting, it's like a meandering.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
This is tough, doc, This is really hard to wrap
your mind around.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, no, I'm with you. It took me a while
to write my mind around that. I think every day,
every morning, every second. Really, I have to force myself
to get unattached from hey, I know this to be
the case, and then bring curiosity to hey, maybe I
don't know what this person's really like. I just think
I know because of my neural pathways, you know, or whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
So after spending time with researching neuroscience, how did you
branch off into this whole metaphysical realm.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Well, I'm obsessed with human beings with a capital B.
I don't know where that came from, but I just
am obsessed, like I did. I'm a nerd, right, So
I've got lots of lots of degreeings. Apart from the
neuroscience degree, I've got a degree in anthropology, immunology, like
all sorts of stuff, you know, And I really delved

(11:16):
into the study of ontology based on being so interested
in the human being. You know, so I've studied the
behavior from a neuroscientific perspective, I've studied the history from
that you know, anthropology degree, so to speak. And then
I was like, well, what about the being? What about
the thing that we can't see, that's between the lines?
And I really got into that, really really wow.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Well, then, how does the study of ontology help us
to make sense of our connection with the universe? Then?
Because this is this is the big question, right, there's
two big questions, why are we here? And how are
we connected? So we dove as nebulously as we did
with why are we here? But how are we connected

(12:02):
to the universe? How does ontology help us solve that problem?

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah? Great, wells at a certain point through my experience
or you know, study of ontology and more more on
an experiential level like ontology, and we can talk about
it like we are now. But then there's actually the
in the living of your life, which I think a
lot of ontology lives because it is about being. So

(12:29):
we're being, and at a certain point, when you be
enough in the present moment, you get to realize or
you get to experience that the being of me is
exactly the same as the being of you and we
really are one another in a sense of being. There's
no separation. So it's not like, you know, I didn't

(12:51):
have to go through a psychedelic experience to experience that,
But it's really through my delving into the study of ontology,
where I just covered that in the living of my life.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
So now you're diving deeply into quandam physics. And because
that's a key concept of quandam physics, right, the entanglement
the connection of one.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yes, yeah, well ontology is a branch of metaphysics, so
I guess, yeah, the two go hand in hand. And
I've had experiences all sorts of experience where I really
experienced myself not separate from any other being, so to speak,
even visually. So you know, you can go into all
sorts of places.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Did you do that through meditation or in other ways?
Meditation is what you got.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Either many different past plays, so meditations, weekend long retreats.
Also in the space of a conversational domain with other
human being, like in conversation.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
So spontaneously you felt the connection while you were having
a conversation with somebody.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, that and well we first had a conversation and
then allowed a pause and an opportunity just to just
be with one another. And after a certain time the cula,
you know, there was no more separation and the experience
was really what, well, here we are, you know, work here?

(14:17):
This is like that.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
You make it sound so matter of fact, but this
is life changing, earth shattering, universe spanning experiences that people
in the space try to achieve on a regular basis
but failed to on.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So what if it actually is matter of fact? We
have been conditioned and we've learned so many things throughout
our lifetime and our ancestors and history that it's no
longer a matter of fact. Now it's like, oh, you know,
it's mind blowing.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Now.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
I mean, I guess we lived in a three D world,
so it would be mind blowing. Though if if it's
because we were so separate, well, we used to.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Be, I think because I also have a degree in anthropology,
so we have something in common. Who we used to
have such more of a connection as we evolved to nature,
to the earth. So maybe at that time we had
this knowledge and as we evolved and became interested in
you know, money and power and progress, that became the

(15:28):
focus and everything else faded away because everyone says that
we're all born with us. We just have to figure
out how to tap into it, which would lead me
to think it's it's in our genes, so to.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Speak, were it is it actually is, so just all
that thought it is it is an orange than in fact,
and it is our brains in fact. But yes, I
can go on, yes, yes these do yes. Yeah. So look,
we are evolutionarily speaking, I mean on a neuroscientific level,
at a brain level, and at a genetic level, we

(16:00):
are beings that are intricately supposed to be in nature,
not in urban environments. And over time, most of the
time we actually have been up until very recent times,
you know where last one hundred years to you, maybe
fifty years even, But prior to that, we have really

(16:21):
evolved to be in nature. And yeah, a lot of
indigenous wisdom speaks to that, as you pointed out, in
neuroscientific research, you know, epigenetic research, which is how our
environment in fact impacts our DNA expression. You know, depending
on what environment you place yourself is what your DNA
will express. So some of our DNA is so clumped

(16:44):
up together and inaccessible until we go into nature spaces
and really connect with nature and allow it to nurture
such that we express the parts of our DNA that
couldn't be expressed otherwise.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Well, that makes sense because that explains why people go
on these retreats or they have these experiences. And it's
never like, oh, I went to New York City and
had this spiritual awakening. It's always like I went on
a walk about or you know, I went to Bali
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I don't know when that guy held me up at
gunpoint one the heck of us virtual awakening. I was
praying for God, like you have no idea.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
But yes, I think it could happen in both ways. Actually,
I think it can happen, you know, in New York
in an apartment. I'm not opposed. I'm open to that.
I'm just saying that, evolutionarily speaking, our physiology and our
brains and our DNA is predisposed to be in nature,
and I think that's where we fry and flourish, if

(17:44):
you will, which is an artsy way of saying scientific ring.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
We like arty things are two ways of putting things.
So that you work a lot with neuroplasticity and fear
and anxieties, your specialty and things like that. So how
does that work into the metaphysics of things? How why
do we develop these fear based programs that prevent us

(18:10):
from being the best we can be if we are
all that is.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, I think you answered it yourself just before when
you said it's the condition, the human condition that we're
born into predisposes us to that kind of brain wiring,
physiological wiring, behavioral patterns as well. It's the condition of
being human. If we're born into the condition of being
a cat, it would be a different kind of thing,

(18:38):
you know, Whereas, of course things like fear survival modes.
You know, a lot of people talk about the amygdala,
the little red butt like that. Emotional circuitry very much
evolutionarily concerned between cats, rats, whatever species, because we need
it for survival. However, right now, these days, it's being
overly used by us in situations which don't really where

(19:02):
where it's not required, you know, we're under const threat, Whereas,
whether real or imagined, Whereas most of the time it's
not really there. It's not like you and I are
running away from predators most of the time.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right right, But the night is young, So let's see.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
I mean it's only in one year. I'm in Australia,
so we'll see how Yeah, yeah, I don't have that
answered your question, but you can ask me it again
and I'll probably answer it in a different way because
it's a different moment.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think we're all on the same page. We would
have all said the same thing. But then, how can
we utilize neuroplasticity to move away from those types of reactions?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah? Perfect in near plasticity hot topic right these days.
Although it's a neuroscientist, I'm like, gosh, it's an old
topic now. But regardless, questicity is the capacity of your
brain to rewire itself based on novel experience. Yeah. So
if you've got this wiring, we're born into human conditioned
where we're preconditioned from a young age to fear certain

(20:13):
things maybe you know, family members or whatever, certain interactions,
certain relationships. You can actually reuire your brain by yeah,
uncle John, but placing yourself in a novel environment to
actually retrain your brain to create new nural pathways, yeah,
to to alter behavior. That's how you effectively, that's how

(20:35):
you do it. And there's no twenty one day habit
saying that's gonna it's that that's a myth. By the way,
I'm going to ask you that you have to do
it for days six days. It's really yeah, no, let's
not bring your knowlogy into this. But it's just important
you can. But it's not. Actually, there's not a said

(20:57):
amount of time. It's very much a an individual experience. How
long it will take you to rewire your brain. For
some people can pick them all of it, for other
people who could take a lifetime, you see. So it
really it does depend on your environment. The fastest way
to do it is to alter your environment. So if
you alter your environment that's now conducive of your new behavior,

(21:20):
your new neural passways that you have formed, that's probably
the most effective way to So.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
What you're saying is you should go on the retreat
for twenty one days and that is going to make
you change.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Right, not necessarily twenty one days.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Well, sixty six days, whatever the number is, right.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Impastful retreat, not dearly.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
You know. What I'm actually saying is if you go
in that retreat with a bunch of people that you know,
and then those people keep hanging around you after the retreat.
That will make it stick because then you'll all be
speaking the same language that you'll learn there.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Interesting, Okay, gotcha. So it's really it's about continuing the
pattern that you started in a conducive environment, bringing that
environment then with you mental That's interesting, Okay, that's true.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
And it could it could be a conversational environment. You know,
you learn some new things and then you're all in
that conversation together, forwarding whatever it is that you discovered
or actually physical environment, I mean whatever environment.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, And I think if you're having good results, even
if just the commys conversations are stimulating or whatever, you're
going to want to continue that. So it's not even
about the twenty one days. It's about seeing it, enjoying it,
and you just become it.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
All the more reasons we have to start the New
reality retreats. Absolutely, okay, anyway, so then let's flip it.
Then let's talk about neuroplasticity. Since we can do that
to remove fear and anxiety and all that kind of stuff,
then can you use that for spiritual weakenings instead.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, spiritual awakenings from the point of view in your science,
is a novel. Brain pathway that's now been formed or
formulated by the brain, you know, whereas before it was
some other wiring, furilated wiring. But wow, you've had this.
Everybody goes through the awakening process in a different way, right,
however they get to that it's different. But let's say,

(23:18):
oh I did the spiritual retreat. I've now opened up
this neural pathway for awakening, and I want to train
that pathway, so I want to use it more and
more and more. That's how neuroplasticity works. The more you
use the pathway, the more likely it'll be the go
to pathway used by your brain. Okay, so yeah, you
can either review the retreat or engage in those kinds

(23:43):
of practices if you will, that will allow for that
awakening to.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Be Okay, So then you go in this retreat, and
you go with ten of your closest friends, and you
all live together, and you're living and breathing and eating
together constantly in the retreat. And then you leave and
you are constantly you're you're in it, and you're reinforcing
the thought patterns and those neuropathways that you have opened

(24:10):
up in the retreat centers and things like that. But
you leave because you've got to go to work, and
then after that you've got to go pick up the kid,
and then you've got to make dinner for the family
and then this, so then you're not using the neuropathways.
So is it how constant do you have to be
in those neuropathways to keep them going? Or can you

(24:32):
We live in a three D world, right, so, like,
can you do it a day and then not again
for a week and then come back to it a
day or tune then go back to three D world?
Or how much do you have to be in it?
We need to take a quick pause, but we'll be
right back right after these messages. Okay, real talk life

(24:53):
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a day and then not again for a week and
then come back to it a day or tune and
go back to three D world? Or how much do
you have to be in it?

Speaker 4 (26:31):
I think? I mean, look, I think you can, but
that would defeat the purpose of the learnings. You know,
you want to integrate them into your life. So whether
and however you do that, I think is up to you. Like,
you know, if you're a neuroscientist like me, you like
to have a pop up thing in a calendar that says,
are you doing practice.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Or what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So like are you a daily basis?

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah? On daily basis? Like I literally have pop ups
in my calendar that pop up and say are you
like what kind of conversation are you engaged in now?
And then I'm like, yeah, you know I'm making someone wrong,
you know, just but to actually spark that, like that
the neural pathway again, you know. Yeah, and however you

(27:19):
do that, that's up to you. Certain people, you know,
choose to move countries or you know, go and live
with this within certain communities, or you know, you even
move to a certain neighborhood that's more aligned with your process.
I think it depends on what you're sort of into.
I think that's the beauty of being humans.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
So what I'm hearing is that you can't really half asset,
right you You really got to be committed to it,
otherwise you're not going to make any significant change.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
So it's not like muscle memory, correct in a way.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Look, it depends because it can be like muscle memory
with Okay, so the thing with experiencing when you're plasticity,
if you peer it with an emotion, the memory will last.
That's the whole basis of things like PTS. Did you know?
But also with the really joyful experiences in life. You know,
you really remember that really happy memory because it was

(28:17):
associated with such a strong emotion of joy. So if
you can pare a memory with a strong emotion of
joy or whatever emotion he prefers, it'll lot, it'll stick.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Oh I like that. You're trying to remember something, aren't you.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Okay, well so, and the reason why I bring that
up is because there's a lot of armchair of spiritualists
out there that they meditate every day and they don't
do anything else, but they are on their spiritual journey.
I'm one of them. I'm a self proclaimed spiritualist. Right,
I am on a spiritual journey. But all I do

(29:00):
is meditate. I mean, I read books here and there,
I listen to podcasts, I do the show. I run
a streaming network of shows in this kind of thing,
and right, I'm in it, but I don't really live it, right,
I don't have the conversations. I don't surround myself with
like minded people A lot. I don't. I don't surround

(29:21):
myself all the time I am in the three D world.
I have a job that is outside of the scope altogether.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
So it's difficult for me for things to stick. I've
been talking for four years about wanting to ask for project,
but I don't do anything to make it happen.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
What I'm hearing you say is I am out of
luck because I'm just not putting in the work, right.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah, Lin, But yeah, you've got to really you've got
to really throw your head over the wall and jump
into it and you know, let loose and discover something.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
It's through discovery again, you know where that where things
will stick. That's so the link to ontological research between
near plastic city and ontology is the discovery. A lot
of ontological stuff is, as I said before, through life,
through the experience of it. It's it's experiential in nature,

(30:26):
existential in nature. So you living it is what will
have at stick. Because it's also through discovery and discovering
something's very exciting.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
So yeah, well, we we have kind of like a different,
I don't know, type of awakening. We've we've had how
many hundred interviews that we had now.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Two hundred over two hundred. We've released.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
So a lot, and we've talked to people in all
different paths of life, all different levels of spiritual awakenings.
And we have talked to several people that have said, well,
I was in a car accident and then I start
hearing voices and I realized it wasn't voices or just
I've always been like this, or all of a sudden,
one day this happened, and they're not doing anything, And
I think that's where your frustration lies, because they didn't

(31:11):
have to do the work. Is there a difference in
someone who has that type of spiritual awakening, then, I
guess in the brain than someone who has to work
for it, Like it is is one I don't want
to say better or stronger or more connected than another.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Hmm. I don't think one's better, you know, or stronger
or anything than the other. They're just different experiences that
cause the same result. So neuroplasticity the formation of new
neural pathways, such as awakening, which is a neural pathway
on a three diner assience level. That can be caused
through an event like a near death experience, or it

(31:51):
can be caused willingly by you actually immersing yourself in
an environment that is conducive of that awakening. Like you know,
people go and I WASCA retreats and they say things
they have full and they're like, whoa, there's there. I'm
never saying, you know, I'm seeing things that really you know,
and and and like that. Right, but then it they

(32:12):
was that like for whatever reason, you know, I'm not
going to go into the the reason behind it, whether
they were soul searching, whatever, they went there, they did that,
but it was like it was an action taken from
from from a whill, from a will, Like I went
there and I did that, versus I was in a
car accident and you know, now I have guardian angels

(32:33):
and angels and sparaing guides talking to me all day long,
and you know, they just won't shut up. So I
have to do it. And it's like it's different, it's
different one. It's not better than the other, it's just different.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
So really it's a way of life, right, It's a
decision that you make to to follow and it's not
necessarily a bad thing. If you have one foot in,
one foot out, it's perfectly okay, that's what I mean.
If that's what you're after. I am after a deeper connection,
and I just need to take more action in order

(33:06):
to get a deeper connection.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's like the commercials we were watching today. There's all
these commercials for weight loss. Take this shot and you'll
lose all this weight. You want the shot because it's like, oh,
you take the shot, can lose all this weight, or
you could, you know, eat healthy and maybe exercise. But
it's that wanting the fast you to fast track it,
that instant gratification.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well you know they got that shot for the weight loss, now.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Maybe several but then did you see the side effects.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Maybe tomorrow they'll have a shot for spiritual awakening. You
never know, Well.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
That would be kind of cool. I might actually take that.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, then let's get back to your profession, right, neuroscience,
because it is fascinating to me. We've had someone who
starties the brain before and he measured the brain wave
activity of a healer in a psychic while she was
performing certain things channeling. So in your studies have or

(34:03):
have you heard of any concrete studies where spiritual experiences
have been validated through scientific means.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Not in my personal studies, but yeah, I've seen studies
like that. I mean there's a lot of studies you know,
meditation things like that. But as you say, people channeling
where this is this one guy Newburg is his last name.
He's a scientist that studies people that lead certain lifetimes,
like he studies the brains of Tibetan monks and then
he goes and looks set out nuns, you know, how

(34:37):
lead a particular lifestyle. Right, So those studies definitely have
been done, and yeah, there's brain alterations in people that
engage in those kinds of behaviors all say, as in
you're a scientist, Yeah, whether it's a psychic channeling behavior
or you know, or meditation behavior or where you acts

(34:59):
seeing the realms we're astral projecting. There's definitely studies out
there for sure. And you know one what's that book
Pends of Lie right by Barbara Something. She used to
be a NASA physicist. I mean she's dead now but
in the physical realm.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
But she's transitioned doctor, She's transitioned worry.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
I don't know. Maybe she didn't right there, but I
can't see her. But ultimately I'm channeling her right now.
I'm kidding. But no, Actually, the book is incredible because
she's a not She's a very three D person, right,
three D NASA physicist that started to see auras and
started healing people through the quantum sealed and became like

(35:43):
a really really, really great practitioner. And yeah, so the
more I delve into that book, the more it studies
like you say, I read in her research. So yeah,
they exist, they're there, and for sure, I'm a believer
that everything comes from from the theoric field before it's
in the physical. It's not physical out, it's the other
way in were kind of joking, maybe she's right here.

(36:06):
What is your take on ghosts or spirits coming to visit?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Is it a real thing or do you like? Do
you how would you explain that?

Speaker 4 (36:18):
I think, well, through the I can't explain it scientifically. Again,
it would have to be experience. I think through the
realm of ontology, metaphysics, through the study of being. But yeah,
when a physical thing disappears, the thing that's there still there,
you know, without the physical Beer and so whether you
call it a ghost or a spirit or an entity

(36:41):
or whatever, right the the being is still there, just
not in their physical form, and of course are limited
capacity for seeing those things. I'm not saying we all limited,
because as you said, there's people that see people like that,
but yeah, that's my take on it.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's just that they're there without their physical appearance.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Right. Energy can't be destroyed, it can only be transformed, right, correct.
So then if that's the case, there's a huge, a
big conversation piece going these days that preferable but not
really having to do with it. But I'm really just
curious what your thoughts in the whole UAP phenomenon, the
whole disclosure thing. What is a neuroscientist's view on the

(37:24):
UFO phenomenon.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
My view personally as a neuroscientist, as a spiritual neuroscientist
is yeah, of course there's things that I mean, gosh,
if we think we're the only things, living things in
the universe, I think it's a very skewed view of life.
That's my personal view. I mean, gosh, like do you
look at the amount of start and going back to
the side of the conversation, when you're there and you're

(37:48):
looking at the stars. If you're think this, like a
billion of us is the only thing that exists viably. Oh,
I don't know. I'm not with that. I'm not with.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
That, right.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
But also, in the beginning of the conversation, you talked
about time being a construct and not being linear. So
if time is a construct, can we use neuroplasticity or
some sort of brain training techniques to access like past
lives in parallel dimensions and things like that. Is that possible?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
I mean people do do that, right, quantum healers and
quantum hypnosis like attempts to do that. I don't know
if you've had a past life regression and definitely went
back in time and I was like a dude in
one of them and a woman and the others, you
don't know what's happening all right now? I was like,
when is this happening? It's happening now, So it's all
happening at once. But the capacity of our brain most
of the tipe is this linear fashion, whereas in fact,

(38:45):
there are experiences or a practitioners that can allow your
brain to expand in a way that you can actually
perceive different times at once. That's that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, And that's so the way that I explained it
to someone the other day is that time is happening
at one time. All time is happening simultaneously. It's just
our brain can only process it in a linear fashion,
So that's why we are experiencing it that way. If
we were to remove our brain function and be able

(39:15):
to experience existence, we would be experiencing all time at
one moment, and that would be you know how you
put something in a microwave and it just like pops
to be us that it would be our head because
woul Yeah, we wouldn't be able to process it. So

(39:35):
that's how I see it makes sense. It's a deep thought, right.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And I think it's also easier for people to fix
it on the linear because our body is changed in
a linear manner. It's not like tomorrow, I feel kind
of young and spry. I'm just like getting older and
you just kind of watch your body progress in a
linear way. So it's kind of we attach ourselves to that. Yeah,
we're catched to the physical, which, as I said, it's

(39:59):
not about it good thing, it's just I think the
reality of it is as long as we know, it's
just how our brain perceives time. It's not really what's
so it's a powerful place to stand.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
So you help people with overcoming anxiety and fear based
thought processes and things like that, how do you go
about it as a spiritual neuroscientist? How do you help
people get through those things?

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, well in conversation, really, I think to a certain extent,
to a certain extent, knowledge is powers. So provide people
clarity about their brain. You know, just like you said, Hey,
our brain perceives time in this way, but it's not
really like that. It's kind of a kind of conversation
I have with people is listen, this is what's happening
to you on a brain level. The fact that you
think there's a you there is just in your own

(40:45):
loop firing over and over again. You know, somebody calls
you val that many times in life you really think
there's a valve there. There's not. It's just in your
old pattern, just like every other behavior. So I think
once people get the.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
You know, the the neural basis of things, which is
pretty like three days simple, the charge is taken out
of all the other stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
And people find freedom in that. If you will, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
You make it sound so simple. Yeah, just take it out.
It's good. I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than that.
But like so, then if I'm not will, who am I?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Well, you're you're no thing? But also everything all at once.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
That's that's not helpful.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
But I just told you it right you when you
discover that for yourself, and there may have been times
where you really did discover it in that moment that
was profound.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
But as talking about that now, of course isn't helpful.
You've got to go out and experience that for yourself,
and how I do that is totally up to you.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
So are we This is a question that people have
asked through the ages, in this space especially, But are
we the thoughts in our mind? Are we the bodies
we inhabit? Are we the observer behind the thoughts? What exactly?
And we're back to ontology, right, who are we? What

(42:21):
is when we're the study of human beings? What is
a human being? I don't really ask the question who
are fair enough?

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Fair enough? I think you know we're from the start,
we're nothing, literally blank space, and then some energy behind that, well,
starts to formulate maybe from that from that nothing, and
then eventually you enter the human conditioning and you start
to formulate those loops and neural patterns and behaviors and

(42:58):
the conditioning that makes you who you are today. But
at an essential level, you're really nothing. There's nothing there.
It's just like the bunch of conditioning that has made
you who you think you now are.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
So then when you die, you go back to being nothing.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Think you you know, No, I don't necessarily think you
go back to being nothing. I think you just continue
on the journey, not in the physical form.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
So then what about reincarnation.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Well, then you get another body.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
So then how long ago were we nothing?

Speaker 4 (43:34):
It depends on the soul. Maybe depends on your soul.
I mean, I've been around so many times I think
I've lost down.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
So there was a point where we were nothing. But
it could have been a long, long, long time ago.
It's not that we were always in existence. We weren't
always were. We weren't always there.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah, I think there is a starting point to it
before which there was nothing, no thing. That's my personal
kind of view. Yeah, maybe ball of energy, and then
at some point we're still a Bullivanta ball. We're not
even a bowl but an energetic being. I don't know energy.
We're an energy in a physical form.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
So then where does consciousness come from?

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Oh yeah, well if we're one consciousness, you know, experiencing
itself and whatever for then we're just part of that
and at some point the consciousness became aware of that
it's conscious.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
God, this is rippy.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
It's trippy because of a human brain, like we're Actually
there's things that the human brain cannot understand language at all, anything.
This is one of those things. For now. I'm not
saying forever, but for now, it's very difficult for us
to actually explain these things. Maybe that's why better to
just experience them.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
That's a client.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
So how would you suggest one experience it? If I
wanted to experience it? Do Do I reach out to
you and we we connect and you help me get there?
Or is there other ways? You meditate every day? Or
I mean we ti already do, but I don't get there?
So how can I get there?

Speaker 4 (45:15):
I think it depends on the It really depends on
the person. Yeah, you can work with someone like myself
or other people you know, some people like you know
to reach out to energetic healers or shamans. You know,
that's kind of whatever you're into, really, or it could
be a personal discovery through I don't know, maybe you'll

(45:35):
go and live in the forest for twenty years and
discover that for yourself. It's really that's really up to.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, that's naked and afraid.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
And I think it really depends on the person. That's
the beauty of human existence. You can choose, You can
really choose and explore that for yourself. And if there's
a Will, there's a way. I know it's a cliche
thing to say, but I think so.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
He tells me that all the time.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yes, especially because I'm always there. Yes, and his name
is Will, and there's always a way glow.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you now.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
All right, Well, uh, doctor, if someone wanted to reach
out to you, to work with you, what's the best
way for someone to reach.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Out buy my website Triple W Doctor Valrytova dot com.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
All right, well, we're going to add a direct link
to that website on our show notes as well. So
if you wanted to connect with doctor val just go
do Skepticmaneposition dot com. If you prefer just so you
can just click a link and you have complete access
to her immediately. Is there anything that we haven't touched
on you want to make sure that you mentioned before
we close out.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
No, I think we've explored enough for the human brain
to for now.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yes, I might not sleep tonight, but you know.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
When you should reach out to me by my website.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yes, yes, I may just do that all right, Doctor Valp.
Thank you so much for being on the show. This
was absolutely fascinating. I think I'm I had some coffee
and I probably shouldn't have I probably should maybe go
and find an iauasca retreat or something to try to
process some of the stuff. But it's been a great conversation.

(47:23):
We really appreciate you having you on the show.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Oh my pleasure. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
There. It's Will just stepping in here for a second
to ask you for a favor. See, the main reason
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You are the reason we do this show, and knowing

(48:11):
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