Spiritual Intelligence Explained: How to Find Inner Peace & Purpose Daily

What if the missing piece in your spiritual journey isn’t more meditation apps, rituals, or retreats—but something as practical as spiritual intelligence? In this enlightening and surprisingly fun episode, Will & Karen sit down with Dr. Yosi Amram, licensed clinical psychologist, CEO leadership coach, best-selling author, and pioneering researcher in the field of spiritual intelligence. With roots in mystical Judaism, Buddhism, Kundalini Yoga, and the Diamond Approach, Yosi bridges ancient wisdom and modern science to show how spirituality can actually be lived...right here, right now.
 
From gratitude practices that shift your heart in seconds, to reframing life’s red lights as blessings in disguise, to uncovering your evolving sense of purpose, Yosi provides listeners with both timeless insight and practical tools they can start using today.
 
Along the way, expect plenty of laughs, like what happens when Will compares spiritual bypassing to Monty Python’s “it’s just a flesh wound” moment, or when Karen presses Yosi on who really has the higher spiritual intelligence. Spoiler: the answer might surprise you.
 
By the end of this episode, you’ll discover that cultivating spiritual intelligence doesn’t require quitting your job, moving to a monastery, or renouncing Netflix binges. It’s about small, conscious choices that deepen self-awareness, expand compassion, and connect you to a sense of purpose, while making daily life a whole lot more peaceful (and even joyful). 

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• What spiritual intelligence really is, and how it differs from emotional intelligence or mindfulness
• The 22 timeless spiritual qualities that traditions across the world all agree on (like gratitude, humility, and service)
• Practical, bite-sized ways to grow your spiritual muscles daily, without adding “3 hours of meditation” to your calendar
• How suffering, trust, and purpose weave together in the journey of spiritual growth
• Why our personal awakenings ripple outward into healthier relationships, workplaces, and even societies
• The inconvenient truth about spiritual growth that nobody wants to hear, but absolutely needs to

Resources & Links Mentioned

• Take the Free Spiritual Intelligence Assessment: AwakeningSI.org
• Yosi’s Award-Winning Book: Spiritually Intelligent Leadership (available on Amazon & major booksellers)
• Learn More About Dr. Yosi Amram: YosiAmram.net

Ready to Raise Your Spiritual IQ?
This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating a spiritual awakening and wondering how to practically integrate it into everyday life. Whether you’re brand new to the path or years in, Dr. Yosi Amram’s insights will help you align with purpose, deepen compassion, and discover why inner peace is more possible than you think.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Karen, very important questions for you. Got a very part answer,
Are you sure? No? I much prefer your honesty for sure. Okay,
here we go. How can someone go from engineer at
MIT to Harvard MBA to spiritual Jedi master with a
PhD in psychology? I don't know, You don't.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I can't even think of like a clever answer to that.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I will not be dispointed. Well, you meditate your way
through quantum mechanics. Well, but not only do you meditate
your way through quantum mechanics, you also breathe through I
pos and chakra align your way into the C suite.
Makes total sense, easy for you to well. This week's
guess is basically what happens when Einstein goes on a

(00:47):
silent retreat and comes back. Quoting Roomy, He's coached a
billion dollar CEOs, founded nonprofits that awaken masculinity and love,
and wrote the literal book on spiritual, spiritually intelligent leadership.
Again easy for you to say, But Karen, don't worry.
He's way more than is, way more than theory. He's

(01:10):
got tools, practices, and probably even an interdimensional calendar system
for scheduling spiritual breakthrough somewhere. I'm per sieved there. So
stay tuned and enlightenment may come closer than your next
to do list. On the Skeptic Metaphysicians, my name is
Will and I'm Karen, and unlike moulderin Scully.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Both want to believe.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
So we've embarked in a journey of discovery.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
metaphysical world.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
joined a coven.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Of witches and wait, you joined a coven.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yep, all on the interest of finding something, anything, that
will prove that there's something beyond this physical.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Three dimensional world we all live in.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
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of the Skeptic Positions, today's guest is none other than
Doctor You'll see I'm Wrong, a man who's basically the

(03:36):
spiritual love child with the Dolly Lama and Steve Jobs.
Oh if Steve had traded turtlenecks for prayer beats any uterus.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
So it as a love child, Donnie Lama. Steve Jobs
is splitting.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Hair security anyway. And you'll see has not only launched
companies into billion dollar IPOs, but now he's launching souls
into self actualization. With over twenty years eat and mystic Judaism, Buddhism, Kundalini, yoga,
and the Diamond Approach, Oh, the Diamond Improveance. Yosi doesn't
just talk about spiritual intelligence, he embodies it. His book

(04:11):
Spiritually Intelligent Leadership is a best seller and an award winner.
That's basically what would happen if a Ted talk and
a monk at a very wise baby. He's here to
shows that enter piece can be practical, spirituality can be scientific,
and yes, your Google calendar can make room for enlightenment.
So how does someone cultivate spiritual intelligence in everyday life

(04:32):
without quinning your job or moving to a monastery. We're
about to find out as we Welcome to the show, Yosi,
I'm run to the show. Welcome Josie, nice to see.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Here, Thank you, thank you, will and ken. Wow, after
that introduction, I'm bound to disappoint you and your audience.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
So that is that is not a good start there,
I know.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
I already disappointed you. See, I prove myself. I just
wive myself right.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Nothing else. You are a man of your word?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, No, I can predict the future as you can see,
have have psychic abilities. You forgot to mention that.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Oh, I think we're about to prove you wrong here
which will prove me right?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Then? Oh?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
This give me a fun one I can already tell us. Okay,
most important question, right, spiritual intelligence? How do you define that?
How's a difference from like mindfulness, for example.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Or emotional intelligence?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
You might integence, yeah, which.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Most people are familiar with. So let's start there with
what we know. So, emotional intelligence is the ability to
draw on emotional resources and information to help manage emotions
in ourselves and others. So by analogy, spiritual intelligence is
the ability to draw on spiritual resources and information and

(05:55):
embody timeless wisdom in the modern day life. So what
are these spiritual qualities and resources? You might say, these
are the virtues that for millennia, thousands of years across
all the world's traditions have been spoken about like purpose, service, gratitude, trust, beauty, compassion, forgiveness, humility, presence,

(06:21):
and so on. So these qualities came through in my
interviews with seventy one teachers across all the world's traditions,
and regardless of their cosmology or theology, whether they believe
Moses went up to the mountain and saw God face
to face, or Jesus was the Messiah, Muhammad was the
final prophet, or there's Shiva Shakhti or Father Sky, Mother Earth,

(06:46):
whatever their theology and cosmology, the one thing they could
agree on is living a life of purpose, service, gratitude, trust,
humility is the good life. And so this has been
known for humanity for thousands of years. What is exciting
now is we have modern research, not just my own,

(07:08):
but the whole field of positive psychology. People like Marty
Seligman you may have heard of, developed this thing called character, Strength,
Inventory and Values in Action, and they define twenty four
qualities lo and behold over half of the qualities of
what came through my research. Twenty two qualities of spiritual

(07:28):
intelligence map one to one with qualities of positive psychology.
So you have convergence through the ancient, timeless traditions, the
modern science. Not just my own, but you know, worldwide
research across different cultures and traditions that show the benefit
of spiritual intelligence in terms of greater satisfaction, quality of life,

(07:54):
deeper meaning more resilience, individual productivity, group productivity, and then
this field of positive psychology and leadership development. So I
know I'm saying a lot. I'll stop. I asked you
to interrupt me when I go off.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
But here's the thing, though, YO, see you you are
already been proven wrong. You were not disappointing. In fact,
you were going way beyond what they expected you to answer.
That's why that you go on and on, so you
could see that unit disappointment you go, you're over delivering.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
That's honored. I'm honored.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Absolute.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
So quick question for at aside, if you may. So
you went and did a silent meditation that the sound
of retreatation that transformed you will did one and he
came back and just kind of wanted to talk a
lot like where's the disconnect here?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think that's a shot. I think you took a shot,
and they just have.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Well, so the introduction was if as if he had gone.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
On a sanitary I thought, and you said you did.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well, what if both of you are right as if
and I did? So you know what you imagine might
be true too. I mean, you know that's the whole
thing of visualization. You know, you can manifest. If you
imagine it, it becomes true. So that's another thing right there,
you go.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, so let's say that you wanted to exponentially increase
your spiritual intelligence. How does someone go about doing that?
Or or is there do it? Is it like? Is
it like? Is it like? Is there an spiritual IQ
test you take? You know, like you're this smart spiritually
or you're this dumb spiritually?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well there is. I do offer a free assessment of
your spiritual intelligence and k yeah, you can go to
my site and and so on. We could drop that
in the show notes if you care, absolutely. But the
point actually is not to give you an absolute score
to others is because that just engages your ego and

(10:02):
it's like, oh and well, let me ask you which
of the two of you has higher spiritual intelligence. I
got in trouble, okay, I should I got all three
of us in trouble.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
You're all about that Pandora's box.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
And then just like to stir the pot.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But here's the question. Who has the greater spiritual talent?
Is who thinks they.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Have any That is the question here and the question.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah, so actually what we what we do in the
assessment is not tell you. We normalize it relative to yourself.
So we tell you these qualities you you're really high
in purpose and service and you know someone else is
really high enjoy and gratitude or whatever. So it's like

(10:51):
identifying your relative strength. It's like your question is if
I wanted to get instantly physically fit, what would I do? Well,
you can't. You got to go to the gym and
you have so many muscle groups in your body.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Whether it's I thought you were actually going to answer
that question, I was all excited.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, well I am, I am. I'm working up to it.
Oh okay. So the first thing, the first thing you
do is you set an intention. Like anything in life,
you got to set an intention. So if you set
an intention and say I want to grow my spiritual intelligence,
that's your north star. So right now, if you're listening,

(11:32):
you know, the two of you or anybody listening, just
see what it's like to connect with your intention and
say I wish to develop greater spiritual intelligence. So tell
me what do you experience right now as you say that,
or do you think that as you set that intention
in yourself, what happens to your physiology, your body, your

(11:53):
sense of aliveness, your chest, your breathing, your spine, what
have you?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I get the sense a long way to go.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well, you make the point of if you want to
get in shape, you know you have to go to
the gym, you have to work out, and that's we
know that. It's like I know how to get in shape,
do it, but I know how to do it, but
I have no idea how to get in spiritual shape.
What exercises? Is it just meditation? And there's got to
be more than that.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, you know the stage is into a lot of
say gurls' hands, it could exist.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Okay, Well, now the point about setting an intention, though,
is is then you like with your gym, with your
physical thing, is then you say, okay, I have these
muscle groups. Do I work on my ads? Do I
work on my triceps? Do I work on this? So,
as I said, we have twenty two quality as a
spiritual intelligence. So there are some essential ones that I

(12:48):
would recommend people start with, which would be gratitude or purpose.
So gratitude, for example, is a capacity that you know,
really fundamentally alters are moved, and we know that people
that live with the attitude of gratitude are happier, you know,
are healthier physically, emotionally, spiritually. So one place to begin

(13:11):
is a gratitude practice. I wake up in the morning,
I begin with gratitude. I go to sleep. At the
end of the day, I go with gratitude. I go
through my day and now I look for moments that
I tonight gonna think about for gratitude and I express it.
So like right now, the two of you could look
at each other and think about, you know, oh what

(13:33):
am I grateful for here and my partner in crime
and maybe oh there we go sharing. Yeah, yeah, look
at that sweet smile. I notice how it affected you,
and you know, Karen reached out and affectually touched your face.
So you know, when we express gratitude, we expand our

(13:56):
heart's capacity and it makes good, feels good for those
receipt receiving it, and it's good for us. So where
it's not like I'm spending a dollar out of the
one hundred dollars I have. The more I express gratitude,
the more gratitude I have in my heart. So it's
a perpetual motion machine that creates a positive feedback. So

(14:17):
you build the habit around gratitude. Then you pick another quality,
let's say purpose. You know, what is my purpose? What
is my calling? So you know there's the Japanese arch
of ekey guy, the purpose of being? And we think
about you think about what are my unique gifts, talents
and superpowers that life has granted me? What are you?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, but before we go down too far down the rabbit, Well,
let's go back to gratitude for a second, because Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I'm grateful for you interrupting me and following up on
my request.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's gratitude. We all know gratitude is a wonderful first step. Yeah, However,
sometimes people find it really difficult to find things that
they can be truly grateful. So how do you recommend
that someone Actually, if it's difficult for someone to think
about and nothing good happen to you today, what how

(15:12):
can you still practice gratitude if like you didn't win
the lottery.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Well, that's a good question. We don't need to win
the lottery. I mean the very the very fact that
we are alive and breathing. I can enjoy my ice cream,
my burrito, my whatever. I have running water at home.
Then I woke up in bed, in safety. So there
are the basic things that I think we can We

(15:41):
can usually find something to be grateful for.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
So I honestly, this is I'm going to admit this.
Hunts is a bad thing, and this is cheat. First,
the gratitude comes, but it is sometimes it's hard and
I feel like everything's going wrong, and you know, yes
you have harder driving, but it's hot, the ac doesn't
work well whatever. So I try to think, well, you know, hey,
look you know and it's like you shouldn't compare, and
then you shouldn't compare yourself to people in a lesser situation.

(16:08):
But at least that kind of helps me be thankful
for the fact that my legs were or something. Is
that is that wrong too?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
I think that's great. I mean, I'm grateful that I
could take a breath right now. Let's see what happens
if I just let myself feel the fact that I
can breathe and what's it like? Is there pleasure that
I can derive just from breathing? Now? The interesting thing
is one of my favorite things speaking about Sometimes we

(16:36):
have really tough days and what have you, and it's
hard to find gratitude. One of my favorite things I
do with Thanksgiving, when we were supposed to go into gratitude,
everybody's like, I'm grateful for this, I'm grateful for that,
which is wonderful. And I like to up the game
and say, okay, tell, let's share something that happened in

(16:57):
your life that seemed like a it's a real difficult,
painful disaster and how did it turn out? So people
speak about, oh, I lost my job, I went through
a divorce, God forbid or whatever it is. But you know,
when I lost that job, I thought it was terrible.
I was under financial pressure, et cetera. But then I

(17:19):
really discovered something much better and new calling I changed
my career. So you know, sometimes it's hard to see
we're in the midst of it. But but you know,
for example, one of my practices, I'm rushing, I'm driving,
and then I'm trying to get someplace on time, and
on behold, the light turns red just when I get there. Okay,

(17:42):
except I don't know if that ever happened to you,
or it just happens to me as an unlucky kind
of guy. You guys are all blessed, so that doesn't
happen to you.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I mean, we are blessed, but that does happen to us.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Okay, Well that's the point. That's the point. It is
a blessing. So when that happened, I work on reframing. Okay,
how can I be grateful for this red light? Okay,
you've been rushing, you see, you're all pumped up. Your
nervous system is amped up. This red light? What is
it inviting you? Oh, let's say, take a look at
the sky. It's blue sky, or there's this tree over here,

(18:18):
or it's time for me to take a breath and
calm my nervous system. So something that seemed like, you know,
not something to be grateful for. I can find gratitude.
And that's an advanced practice, so it may not be
available for everybody, but I suggest that when we think

(18:38):
about our history and our past, we often can find
things that you seem difficult, challenging, and then in hindsight,
we discover that they actually worked on for the best,
and that actually helps us cultivate this related quality of
spiritual intelligence with trust, which is so foundational having that

(18:59):
trust in ourselves and in life that we are okay,
that things will be okay, and there will be okay
at the end, and if it isn't okay, then it's
not the end.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
That's the line from a movie, you know, right, that.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Was that the universe is actually working for us and
not doing things to us. So then let's transition into purpose,
which I'm really interested in because sometimes you may think
that you know you're pos but then all of a
sudden the rugs pulled out from under you, or some
people don't even have an idea what their purpose actually is, Karen,

(19:37):
So how does someone find their purpose?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Okay, so let's break it down. I like the fact
that you said that you think you know your purpose
and then the rug gets pulled out from under you,
so which to me highlights the fact that you know
our purpose in different phases of life may change. I mean,
when I'm in kindergarten, my purpose is to play and
break as many toys as I can so I can.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Full disclosure that's still my purpose. So just so we're clear.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Okay, good, So I get it. I get it. But
then you know, I graduate to college and my purposes,
you know, to get drunk and get laid or whatever
it is.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Oh wait, wait, don't know that's my purpose right here?
Well yo, by womb, my mom watches.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
This, so you can erase me. My point is that
you know, and then you know, in the Hindu tradition
they talk about these life stages in cycles. So then
we are in our twenties and thirties and we're working
on our career and building family, et cetera, and we
moved to our forties and fifties, and then our purpose

(20:47):
often becomes a lot more spiritual growth, et cetera. Not
that we can't start earlier. So I think it's okay
to think of our life as you know, evolutionarily, and
as Jung said, the way we live the morning is
not the way we want to live the afternoon of

(21:08):
our lives. The day, the day's energy and the sun
in the morning is different than in the afternoon, and
then it calls for different activities. So I'm just trying
to highlight that what felt like purposeful at one stage
in life, like for me, was to build a company
as an entrepreneur, to build an organization based on a

(21:29):
certain culture. It was my passion, it was my calling.
I was fully in and then at some point I
was like, Okay, I've done being an entrepreneur and I've
done that. I've been there, I've done that. I'm ready
to do And then I discovered this other thing, which
is I want to research spiritual intelligence. I want to
help people do healing, etc. So I've gone through different

(21:55):
phases in life and what seemed like my purpose has
evolved and changed. But in every stage, you know, so
going back to them, how do we find it? We
think about what are unique gifts and talents and and
and powers that So for you, it's like being funny
and being curious, and oh you don't think that's funny.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Okay, I'll give you curious, but I don't think I'm funny.
You know, I think I think Karen is a funny one.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Karen is the funny one. Okay, the two of you
are are funny as a couple.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
So you know, I was just saying that, I was
just gonna say that she stealed my jokes all the time.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
But that's makes such a good point about people's purpose evolving.
So our daughter is now going to high school and I,
for the most part stay at home after I've had
her to do the mom thing, to take care of her,
always be there. She needed Nissa. Now she doesn't really
need me like that anymore. And I feel totally bossed.
And so that I am. I was struggling with trying

(22:57):
to figure out what the heck I'm supposed to do now.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Kepting men a physician.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
So there's some grief perhaps going on, Yeah, absolutely, which
is like I had this role, I had this purpose,
and now it's gone. I'm feeling a loss. Well, that
loss is an invitation to discover a new thing. Like
that door is closing and then a new door is
opening and you don't know what it is yet, and
that gives you a chance to practice trust and be

(23:25):
in curiosity until you discover what your purpose might be.
And then so when we think about what are my
unique talents? So I'm curious, I am a good listener
or whatever it is, So how can I apply that?
Because when we apply the gifts that life has given us,

(23:45):
then we're actualizing our potential. Then we feel fulfilled. Naturally
when we're applying our gifts and we feel fulfilled, we're
going to be good at it, which further gives us
a sense of joy and satisfaction and mastery. And then
when we use that to contribute to others, then our
life has meaning and through that contribution to others, we

(24:08):
feel connected. So we become embedded into the web of life.
And one of the major issues that we're facing as
a society is this loneliness epidemic and this connection. And
so when we know our gifts and we can use
them and we actualize them and use them to contribute
to others, then we are remembering ourselves. We become members

(24:32):
in the web of life, and that gives us a
sense of belonging. Just like every cell in the human
body is embedded into an organ. It has its unique
individual identity, right, it has a cell membrane, it has
to keep itself safe, it has its own immune system,
et cetera. But it knows that I am part of

(24:54):
the thyroid or I'm part of the liver, and I
am participating in this fun and my well being it
depends not only on my individual cell, but how I
my organist functioning and how this whole organism is functioning.
And so when we understand our purpose and how we

(25:15):
contribute to the greater whole, it gives us a sense
of belonging and that further fuels our sense of well being. Now,
what is interesting, just staying on this analogy of the
human cell, is that all the human cells in your
body and my body come out of the same DNA,
come out of the same stem cell. So somehow the

(25:38):
intelligence of the overall organism is helping it differentiate and say, no,
you coming off the same DNA stem cells as Oh,
no you're going to be a cell in the retina
of the eye. No you're going to be a neuron.
No you're going to be a piece of hair. And
but they're all important. They're all important, and we're all

(26:00):
made in the image and likeness of the divine if
I were to go there, So we're coming off some
common thing, but we differentiated.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So and the trick is to find what cell you are.
Because there's a lot of talk about spiritual weakenings and
everyone's going this, this is the right path, this is it,
this is the way to go. But if we are
all a different cell, like, I'm a hairshell and you're right.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Right, I I was gonna choose hair.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Different purpose best because of my wonderful shair line. Right,
we have a different your eye, the eye has different
purpose in the hair. Such is a spiritual band as well, right,
I would assume.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, so there is no one path for everyone, and
thank God that makes life more interesting. You go into
the forest and there are many, many life forms, and
they all are part of the ecology, and so they
all feed each other, and the leaf that decomposes, you know,

(27:05):
forms the foundation for the next sprout. And so we
don't know how it's all, but we are we are differentiator.
I'm glad you guys figured out who's the hair and
who's the heart.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
So, yeah, but I don't I don't want anyone to
eat me. I don't know. I don't want to go
in the forest. You've done a lot of research into
a lot of different spiritual practices. Can you share what
are two studies or insights that show how these practices
act and change as whether mentally or spiritually or even physical.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, yeah, one of my favorite practices is practice from
Buddhism that is called tongue len which is giving and receiving.
It has to do with compassion. So you know, one
of the domains I work on. You mentioned my coaching
CEOs and multi billion dollar companies. I do enjoy doing that.
But the other thing I love to do is do

(28:01):
couples counseling. And I'm not trying to do any couples
counseling here with you, guys.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Ah, come down now.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
But oftentimes, you know, couples get stuck into something and whatever,
and they feel the pain for themselves. And one of
the ways I like to shift the energy is to
do this practice of tong len, where you take the
suffering of others you inhale it in, and then you
exhale out kindness and compassion. And you know, I don't

(28:33):
know if you guys have ever done that, but you might.
You know, I think we all.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm constantly breathing in care and suffering.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
She makes sure it, yeah, and you and you and
you exhale out loving kindness, right, yes, exactly. And so
when people do that, our heart's capacity expands and it
just feels good. I mean, I know, it's paradoxical. I
think I have enough of my own suffering. Why why
would I anybody want to take on someone else's suffering

(29:02):
to add to my own. Well, this is the amazing
alchemy of our heart's capacity, is to take in suffering
and then turn it into gold, turn it into compassion,
turn it into love. So that's a practice I adopted
from Buddhism, and that I do all the time. I
teach to my clients, whether it's in business where you know,

(29:27):
I work routinely with cels and they go through ups
and downs in the economic cyclone, they have to implement
a very painful layoff for people they hired, et cetera.
And then they go into this mindset, why is this
happening to me? And what have you? And and so
one of the things is always good is to remember, Okay, well,

(29:48):
can you think of other people going through the same challenge,
whatever it might be, whether it's a it's a job loss,
being laid off, going through a divorce, going through a
medical diagnosis. No, they're They're hundreds or not millions of
people going through the same problem. So imagine those people
in front of you along with you, and inhale their

(30:09):
suffering and then exhale out compassion to them. And then
all of a sudden you feel. It does two things,
is like I belong I'm not alone in this suffering,
and I use my heart's capacity to take suffering and
transform it into the gold of loving kindness and compassion.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So it's not exactly like misery loves company, but kind
of kind.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I mean, we want to know that I'm not the
only screwed up guy who who's got this problem, so
it normalizes it. It's good to know that you know
the problem I'm having. I'm not that unique and special.
I mean, we have enough things that feed our narcissism
and all the ways we're unique and special. But at

(30:56):
least my suffering is not that unique and special. I
know some people feed their narcissism. I am the most
miserable person that ever lived, and you know some people
are like, I'm the smartest person that ever lived. But
both are really forms of narcissism that makes us uniquely special.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And you feel seen, you feel seen, right, I.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Feel them being shot at from all directions.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
So I have a questiononality to derail you. But you
have done all of this research, You've had all these interviews,
You've learned so much. Kit, what was one of the
lessons or maybe surprises that you learned something that they
didn't expect to learn about this research.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
We need to take a quick pause, but would be
right back right after these messages and now back to
the show.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Well, I mentioned something that was surprising is to discover
that the virtues and the qualities that these people across
all the traditions cultivate was unique. I did not expect that.
You know, you've got all these religious wars and which
path is better and you know the Yeah, I won't

(32:09):
get into the politics of all of this which is
going on in the world right now, but you know
what was really heartening to me is to find our
shared humanity across all these traditions and that these people
that are wives that have been practicing and embodying and
nominated by their peers, really when it comes down to it,

(32:31):
our speaking of cultivating the same human virtues. And I
think to me that was super exciting and hopeful that
if we could focus on, like right now, there's so
much polarization in this country and politically et cetera, but
when you think about it, underneath it all, we all
want peace and love in our lives. We might you know,

(32:55):
think about the best way to get there is a
little different and so on. So to me, that was
really exciting to find the commonality, the shared humanity across
these different wisdom traditions.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, it's someone listening or watching this today, if you
wanted them to walk away with one thing about spiritually
and spiritual intelligence, what would you want to make sure
that that person gets well?

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think I would say one or two things. One is,
you know, human cognitive intelligence IQ has been tremendous in
advancing humanity. It's landed us on the moon. We split
the ATAM, we deciphered the genome. Now we have AI,
which was smarter than most of us, at least me.
I don't know about you guys. You do you guys

(33:48):
look maybe smarter than AI. But but you know, so
we have all of that, and then we have and
we have emotional intelligence we have discovered. You know, up
until nineteen ninety when the first academic paper on emotional
intelligence came out, we used to think that emotion and
reason are in opposition. I'd say to you, do you

(34:09):
know people in your life that are emotional? And you
might think of some people, but that wouldn't necessarily be
a compliment. You know, they're prone for drama and whatever.
But if I say to you, do you have people
in your life that are emotionally intelligent, I'm like, oh,
you know, they're applying emotion in an intelligent way. So

(34:30):
emotion and someone could be emotional and reasonable. It doesn't
mean like they're out of control. Now, we have a
similar dichotomy between spiritual and practical. We think that spiritual
is like some kind of woo woo and it's esoteric
and you know, whatever beliefs you might have. So the

(34:51):
point is, though, that spiritual intelligence kind of bridges that
gap between the spiritual and the practical and spiritually intelligent.
Spiritual intelligence is not the same as spiritual belief Whether
you believe in God or reincarnation or whatever time travel
that you believe in, those are spiritual beliefs. You can

(35:13):
also have spiritual experiences. I could be meditating and my
egos dissolved, and or I'm walking in the forest and
I'm one with nature and whatever. Those are important spiritual experiences.
But spiritual intelligence is the ability to embody these qualities
and wisdom, timeless wisdom in daily life. Now, so that's

(35:34):
one key thing I want people to get is that
spiritual intelligence is very practical, and the research shows that
people with greater spiritual intelligence are more effective leaders, they
produce better financial results, they're happier, they're more fulfilled, they
are more resilient, they have better quality relationships, they're more
productive individually and as groups, et cetera. And I think

(35:58):
it's the antidote that we needed right now because despite
cognitive intelligence and emotional intelligence, the world looks like a mess,
you know, I mean, you have soaring anxiety, depression rates, loneliness,
substance abuse, addictions, suicide rates, wars, political polarization, and I

(36:19):
think the missing ingredients the third leg on the stool
of cognitive intelligence emotional intelligence is a spiritual intelligence. And
I think it's particularly important right now in the age
of AI, where you know, some of the things that
kind of differentiated us are going to get automated, and

(36:40):
you know AI is going to do for us. So
what's going to keep us as humans feeling like we
have worth and value on this planet is going to
be our spiritual intelligence.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh, I was gonna say lots of beer.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I was going to say, lots of beer?

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean that's why it's called spirits. You know,
when you don't have spiritual intelligence. When you don't have
spiritual intelligence, you need spirits.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Oh so it's a knowledge of what kind of like
woodbourbon differentiated between whiskey differentiat. That's it's intelligent spirit intelligence.
I get it. There, you get it. Okay, yeah again,
she's so we from time time we have some guests
that we asked to ask the really deep curveball questions.

(37:31):
Would you be open to do some kind of cookie
weird curball questions?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Well, your normal cookie. Let me just get it straight,
because so, I mean, I might be okay with one,
but I don't know if it's a combo of both.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Okay, we could choose, right, we can do.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I got very serious.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I've gotta love me too. I've got a list of
cookie curveballs, cookie care level, and in a list of
deep curveballs. So which one would you like? Cookie or deep?

Speaker 3 (37:58):
I'm gonna trust you. I'm going to the spiritual intelligence.
I'm going to trust your judgment for the betterment of
the greater whole, for your audience, for you guys, and
for me.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Good God, he's giving me all the credit. That's a
kookie curveles. Okay, you're given Karen, choose this one. Okay,
you're given one mystical power for twenty four hours. It's telepathy,
time bending, instant inter piece for anyone you touch. Which
one do you choose? And why?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Out of those three or any any any any spiritual power,
any spiritual Yes, well, my spiritual power would be to
bring in world peace.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I knew you were going to say that.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Really, world piece, that's your spiritual power, telepathy. You read
his mind totally ex Well, that's a that's a great answer. Actually,
I wish I had thought it. All right, I'm gonna
go a deep curve box, and I'm curious for your answer.
What do you now know that you think your soul
was trying to your entire life, but you only just

(39:02):
now understand.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Hmm. Everything is an expression of the one divine reality
that we're a part of, including you and you and

(39:23):
me and you listening. Now, if we should take that in,
I think that would be pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, very amazing action. I like to deep. Okay, if
everything you've ever taught about spiritual childes suddenly vanished, but
you could whisper one sentence into the heart of every human.
What would it be.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
One sentence into the heart of rehuman? You are love
loving itself.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
These are good questions.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
What's your sentence was skin and receive love?

Speaker 3 (40:09):
When, oh, that's a good sentence to Mmm, I'm receiving
right now?

Speaker 1 (40:17):
All right? So just prodded a question. A lot of
people believe that in order to be spiritual intelligent, or
to to be enlightened, you have to go through suffering.
Is that a true statement? Is someone who is someone
who never suffers in their life, can they actually be
spiritually intelligent?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I don't know. I mean to tell you the truth,
I haven't met such I mean, the way I understand
life is that pain and suffering is one of our
greatest teachers. And without some suffering and understanding, it's hard
to develop the compassion and empathy that we need for

(40:56):
ourselves and others. So it's like, know, whoever designed the
human body gave us pain? Now, would you want to
live a life without pain? I mean, I think we
Pain is painful if you believe it or not. Pain
is painful if you haven't.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I found that to be true.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
You've found that out to be true. Yeah, But people
who don't experience pain. You know, are are pretty dangerous
to themselves and others.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
So absolutely, But you know, if I were.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
To blame God for a moment, and you know, maybe,
I mean people asked this question, if God was all
powerful and alling, why and all loving? Why is it
that we have so much suffering? Et cetera. There are
many philosophical questions. But but you know, God, in their
infinite wisdom, somehow gave us suffering and pain. And who

(41:52):
am I to second guess God? You know?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I mean, yeah, there was a stay on Broadway or
off our way else living in New York comes to mind.
It was that they had a commercial all the time.
The show is called Your Arms Too Short to Box
with God. That just reminded me to know when a
box with God? Because okay, this is fun.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
We having fun?

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yet yeah I'm having I'm.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Just picture in a boxing Oh yes done.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Is there such a thing as too much spiritual growth?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I don't think so. They're spiritual bypassing. I wouldn't want
to be doing spiritual bypassing, but real spiritual girls, I
don't think that's too much.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Can you can you define that spiritual bypassing?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well? I mean, it's not a term I use, I invented.
I think John Well would point it if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I did.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
A lot of people are talking are throwing around that
term spiritual bypassing.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Well, spiritual bypassing is actually not spiritual. It's like using
spiritual concepts to avoid dealing with reality. So you know,
it's it's uh yeah, So I think that's not very
spiritual intelligent because you know, if I'm going through a

(43:16):
pain or a loss and just somehow being pollyannish about it,
then I'm not really feeling. I'm not going to learn,
I'm not going to derive the nutrition that is embedded
into that difficulty. So we don't want to pollyannish, you know,
put lipstick on a pig, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yes, And I love how you said that you don't
get the NUTRITI behind that. Back to that incidence, because
you're right, it's this show, this person that you're seeing
right now on the camera, that you're listening to on
the microphone, would not exist were it not for a
severe amount of pain that not only did I go through,

(44:00):
right put a lot of people through. So we all
have grown from these experiences and you're right. It's really
important when you're going through something to feel it, to
allow yourself to feel it and process it, because it's
when we like very deep down inside of us. Oh never,
bro No, fine, you know it might be a bonding

(44:21):
python and the whole grail of the night. His arm
gets cut off and goes, oh, fight you with the
one arm, and he gets the other. Well, I'll kick
you to death and you get both lads cut off
and all bite comeing home. But you did that right? No?
You ow, my arm is gone, rights to say, and
then you have a chance of fighting the guy again.
But I think it's it's important to process it. And
I'm glad you brought it up because it's it's easy

(44:43):
to distress.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Well, and I think that's a processing It makes the
pain the lesson effect, not just you, but it won't
around you because then you also will understand more maybe
what they're going through, and len that compassion and that
for the next person and they'll learn it too and
it kind of will spread that way.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Right We Actually people are talking now in spirituality. Personal
spirituality actually can affect society as a whole. Do you
agree with that? And so what does that mean exactly,
because I have no idea what I just said.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Well, I do know that there's scientific research that shows
that in cities where there's a critical massive people that meditate,
that crime rates go down, so you know, and we
do know that people who live near large bodies of
water or bodies of water also derive some kind of
energetic benefit from it, and controlling for everything, crime rates

(45:39):
and go down and well being goes up. So yeah,
we have believe it or not. They tell us that
we are all connected. We're all you know, vibrations of
light and frequency and how those frequencies you know, get
propagated through that medium. But we do know that for example,

(46:03):
right now, the two of you I'm betting or sitting
within six feet of each other, and science tells us
that our heart produces an electromagnetic field that affects those
that are in our vicinity. So your hearts right now
are in some kind of interaction or feedback loop that

(46:24):
affects each other. So yeah, I mean, so I see,
I see the sweetness, I see the love between the
two of you and and the radiance. So that's beautiful.
So it is real. We also know that we have
this thing called mirror neurons, and we also don't know
how that works. But when two people are watching each other,

(46:46):
it's even monkeys. You know, one monkey sees another monkey
eating the banana, and the brain regions of banana eating
are lighting up, and this other monkey. Now the I
didn't know that everyone you like bananas. I mean, I
think I don't know for sure. I can't vouch for it,

(47:07):
but I suspect that works for Keiwilliam strawberries too about
So yeah, that's pretty fruity. Yeah, but yeah, but you know,
we skipped something that you said that I was curious about.
And I don't know if you want to go into it,
but you spoke about the pain you've experienced and how

(47:27):
it made you who you are, and I just kind of, oh,
I was wondering, like, what what is that? Would you
be willing to say a few words?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah, longtime listeners know all about it to talk about
it on the show a lot that I went to
an existential crisis when I during COVID as we were
as we were shutting down, I was forced to look
at myself when we realized I was not that cool
guy I thought it was. I was very judgmental, very angry.
I was not a good guy. I was under the

(47:58):
impression though it was my entire life, and all of
a sudden, the house of cards came tumbling down and
I realized, Holy crap, I've I've ruined everything. I almost
lost everything. And if I hadn't gone through that crisis
and come out from the on the other side of it,
I do believe I wouldn't be hearing.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, so you that was crisis was an opportunity. It
was a painful thing, but you came out stronger. You know,
in Chinese character the word for crisis an opportunity, or
the symbols the saint so crisis an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Wow, you know, I'd love that, because the more we
talk to people in the show, the more we learn,
We go on classes, and we we start really diving
into this stuff. It really is that that statement we
said earlier about the universe always working in our favor,
not doing things to us. It is truly astounding when

(48:58):
you raise your person back to enough to understand that
that that this is true, that this is a thing,
That that car that pulls up in front of you
and slams to a stop and makes you late for work.
Why it just saved you from our sixteen car pile
up somewhere in the highway, right, so you just don't know.

(49:19):
So I love that, and I think I'm going to
see if I can get that somebole because I want to.
I have I have these sticking out over the place
of little things that helped me to remind myself of
my spirituality, things like.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Stup on the paper puffs.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Right, it's amazing thing. It says, your attachments are the
source of all your problems, right so, and and it's
it's funny.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
We got to let you attached to the to the attachers,
and it is attached right now, attached, it's non attached,
non detachable now because it's it's my way of expressing
my attachments onto that so that.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I love them. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
But we actually we got a message from one of
our listeners who who talked to us about that that
she always assumed that attachments in that saying meant like
physical things. But no, it's it's your attachment to being, right,
It's your attachment to winning, it's your attachment to all
these things emotionally you think you have to be when
in essence. If you just chill yeah, and you really

(50:27):
pay attention to what's important, you find those things that
big a deal.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
It can be really hard to strip on the lighting.
Oh then there you are naked.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Absolutely absolutely, But I think that's what we have to
get to get to be. We have to allow ourselves
to face ourselves naked in the mirror and say, be
okay with it, right and be okay?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
And what about our attachment to letting go of all
our attachments? Is that an attachment that's.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
The biggest one. Actually, that's the biggest one, right, because
it's it's it's what makes us who we are. That
our attachments are what we feel is our identity.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
So just chill out. I think that your best part
was like, okay till you know.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Chill ow. That's that's give me the title of the show,
chill out.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
We're talking about that recently, about how you know, you
think these things that have happened, and you know they
have effected your life and how you've grown up and
developed and it's my childhood and I just got to
get rid of it. And you focus on get rid
of it, or you can look at it like a friend,
be like Okay, you protected me. What I need to do?
I don't really need to do that much, right, So.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
See, I see it more like a run of the ladder.
Like you recognize that you put it in place, and
you step on it to move yourself forward, to propel
yourself upwards. Right, it becomes a part of your ladder.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Way more welcoming your ways? What more welcome? I'm like,
thank you for protecting me.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yes, well you can think it when you're putting it
down and step one you are feeling thank you, just
kicking the face and you are not particular.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, it sounds like one of you is higher up
on the line.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Or I wonder which one that is the one that
actually has that.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I'm staring trouble here aroundside you are.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
We love you for it, You love me for it?

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
One last question before we call it a day, because
I'm really curious what your answer is. Can meet to
this one your estimate? What's the most inconvenient truth about
personal growth that people don't want to hear? Absolutely neat
mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
The inconvenient truth about personal growth? Well, it's an endless
journey and you can never get to the top of
the mountain.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
There's no things answer. That's so true.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
So you're never you're never gonna get there, but you
might as well enjoy the journey.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
That's the trick, right, And it's it's it's the journey,
not the destiny, at the scenery that you've enjoy your life,
be in the moment and appreciate what you have. Now
we're going back to gratitude, right, yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
But you are climbing up this mountain, you know, just
you know, so there's no there's you're never going to
get to the peak, but you know you're going to
enjoy the climbing, right right.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
I love that. That's a perfect answer.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
So if someone wants to take this spiritual assessment that
you have, what's how can someone do that? Word? Where
does someone go?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Well, the website is called Intelligency dot com. It's the
World that's a play on the word intelligence, but instead
of CE at the end, it's SI. But because people
are not going to remember that, I recommend you go
to another website which might be easier to remember the
spelling of. It's called Awakening SI dot org. It's a

(53:57):
nonprofit that I run, and from there you can click
and it says, free assessments. Click here will take it
out of the website, So Awakening si dot org. You
can you can go there and from there you find
all the other stuff I do. And yeah, well we're.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Gonna add a direct link to that in our show notes.
Or if you are interesting team assessment, how you use
vote skepticmanization dot com go or U sees episode and
you'll see the neck directly laid in there, and it's
who want to get your book? Spiritually intelligent Leadership, which
we didn't even talk about with the Okay, let this
take take a moment and tell us what what is
what is your book so beautifully titled have to do
with spiritual intelligence? Well everything, I'm just setting him up.

(54:43):
I'm just setting him up.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
You are so great, are so gracious? So yeah, it
looks at each of these qualities, the spiritual intelligence, and
how it applies in leadership and how it helps us
get inspired, because you know, leadership and inspira first and
foremost as an inside job. You can't lead or inspire
anybody else until when we lead and inspire ourselves. So

(55:08):
it looks at each of these qualities of spiritual intelligence.
We talked about some of them with gratitude, purpose, service,
you know, humility, et cetera. And there's a chapter that
has a case study with a client, a CEO client
that I had or a problem. They had a crisis
in their life and how working and cultivating that quality

(55:29):
in our sessions was really the solution to their problem.
So it's very practical, it's not just theoretical. Their case
studies and for each quality, there exercises that people do
that I guide people so that you can work on
cultivating it. So again, you don't just read the theory
of spiritual intelligence. You've got to go to the gym

(55:51):
or to the forest or wherever you do your workout,
and so you got to develop these muscle groups. So
the book is built around these exercises and case study.
So it brings it down to Earth, brings Heven down
to earth Twinget.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
That mandatory reading for every government official everywhere in this country.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, Don Robert, I was going to ask, is the
sequel for those of us that don't like to work
out the sequel?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, I mean you just visualize, you can just our exercises.
You know, there's research that visualizing you know, doing your
golf stroke or shooting hoops in basketball improves their game.
So I'm not making this shut up. I mean it's so.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I'm going to visualize lifting fifteen hundred and not well,
lose all these weights, all this weight, all right, And
if someone wants to work with you, that they can,
they can reach you through that website.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Of that's my contact information. That's true, and particularly these days,
interested in and keen on working with couples who want
to develop not just spiritually intelligent relationships and to ignite
and grow and deepen their passionate sacred love. So yeah,
if anybody is interested in that, I'm also doing a

(57:11):
study right now with couples, and so there's an assessment
that people could take as part couples and they get
a report about strength in their relationship and issues. And
it's looking at spiritual intelligence, emotional intelligence, and attachment style.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
So you don't want to know. Yeah, yeah, that much sious,
But might be tough to find clienc these days, right,
and not a lot of guys are are are kind
of walking on the spiritual intelligence path. Just yeah, right,
the more and more are waking up, yeah, no, more,
definitely more and more waking up.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
But is it, particularly guys you think are hard or
I mean, is.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
The usually guys are like not spiritually into it.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I know, I know you and I might be the exceptions.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Well, yes we are. We're the exception.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
And we're so humble too, right, Oh, yes, I know,
we're really I score, I'm one of the most humble
people I know, you know, But I mean, fortunately I
have more clients than I usually need, so it hasn't
and actually most of my clients believe it or not.
Our men, but you know, there's hope for for for mankind,

(58:30):
you know. And there's the Mankind Project, you know. Also
it's it's it's the kind of men we need, which
are mankind kind, more kind man kind man But there
are still in our power and our strengths, So you know,
we're not We're not just you know, it's not like
this toxic masculinity and and whatever, which is why I

(58:54):
I one of my nonprofits was True Masculinity, and I
did a whole conference on Jenner Engendering Love, which was
a play on gender. So we need to we need
to understand how these energies is the masculine and feminine
play in all of us. And you know, whether we're
identify as male or female or non binary or whatever.

(59:17):
But these energies are, you know, the source of life,
and they come together physically and spiritually. It brings our
wholeness and brings life. So anyway, I know we're kind
of joking around, getting off topic, but it is about
inner wholeness, which is one of the qualities of spiritual intelligence,
is the ability to go beyond polarities. So we can

(59:39):
embrace and embody the feminine and masculine in all of us,
whether we're men or women. We can go beyond paradox,
beyond either or sinking to a both. And and I
think that's important. So we could be compassionate, we could
be fierce. We need to know when to be fears
and when to be compassionate, when to be kind. It's

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not kind to be kind all the time without being fierce.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Right now, and you have to live not that is yo. See,
you are a beautiful soul. It's such a wonderful conversation
you've had with you. Well, really appreciate you coming on
and so much fun. Yeah, and thanks for playing along
with us. We you know, we we know we sometimes
push some buttons, but we're grateful that you played a
lot with us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Will we hope I didn't push your buttons and you know, not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
At all, not at all. We love we love these
types of conversations absolutely, all right. Well, if you are
interested in working with Jose or getting the assessments or
reaching out getting his book, all you do is go
to Skeptic Inneposition dot com is actually page see the
links track that they did in there, so it's easy
for you to access all the about So it's been

(01:00:48):
an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much being a show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yeah, thank you both. You guys are a delight and
it's so fun to play along with.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
You either on will welcome back to the show. That
you hit play on the Skeptic better positions that was
really bad, let's do because they knew they play they
already playing Wow truly hotly. It was it just me
sitting next to you massive lightly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
You're just trying to Oh

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
We look good though, only we need every little bit
of help we can get