February 6, 2020 • 26 mins
CHILI BOWL Episode 2: The Skinny continues with episode 2 of the Chili Bowl 2020 Preview. Hosted by Rico Elmore along with guest hosts Ken Stout and Rob Klepper, our guests include Rico Abreu, Cory Kruseman, Rob Klepper and special guest Tony Stewart!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to this special edition of the Skinny Catched
out with your Rico Elmore in the house or Rob
Clipper here with us smoke Yes, Tony Stewart in the
house as well, and a couple of calling guests, two
time Chili Bowl winners Rico Abrew and Corey Kruzman. Stay
with us. It's gonna be fun. The only reason we
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really brought Clipper in here so I can put him
on the spot every now and again. So give us.
Give us your best New Zealand story, you and you
and your brother down there tearing things up, and uh,
you've got to have something. We got to go down
there twice in ninety nine. Then we were there from
ninety nine to two thousands, so for the millennium switch
and New Zealand's the first country across the International date line,
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so it was the first country on the planet to
move into the New millennium, which meant in Auckland, we
got that going for us, but we also got in trouble.
I think it was the media day. You've been down
to Western Springs. I'm sure they do a media day.
They put the drivers out on the track, local news
shows up, you know, Shoot, some interviews with the drivers.
The first year we went it was it was a
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bunch of young guns, my myself, my brother, Ricky Shelton
and Steve Payton. The first year of the second year
we went with Jerry Coon's j Drake went down there
with this market Beaumont. But that first year media day,
we're in the country for a day and a half.
Still messed up on jet lag. I said, listen, they
didn't prep the track. It's completely flat, no bank at all. Right,
it's a beautiful facility. I said, go run a couple
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of laps, you know, running through the corner. We'll try
and guests on the gear and try and learn something
out of this to get ready for the first race.
And it was I think the second lap he jumped
on the gas, went down into turn number three, full bore,
backed it into the wall, destroyed the tail tank, wrecked
the rear of the car. And when he got back,
I said, well, what the heck was that he saw?
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I was curious if I could flat foot three and four.
I go, it's media day. Now we got a jumped car.
Were in the country for twenty four hours, We got
a jumped car. Sports page next day welcome to New
Zealand and accomplished. It is like awesome, appreciate that. So yeah,
day one we're already fixing race cars and uh yeah.
From then on it was dude, really you gotta try
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and flat foot? Media day not good going for it? Man,
make the headlines, right. I guess that's the racer mentality.
I I. You know, you look at the track and
you go chili bolth small. But if it's right, I
should be able to flat foot. Let's see if we
can get through three and four. Make sure if I'm
I'm only laughing because when I went to Australia ninety
five after winning the triple Crown, I did the same thing.
On media day. I looked at it and all the
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media is there. Same deal. I rifled and the only
thing is I didn't back it in the fence. But
I was sitting there the whole time going I think
I can flat footed around there. And you know, for us,
it's a huge deal to go overseas like that, so
when you go there, you want you want to make
a splash. You know that. Uh you know what the
country thinks of the American drivers when they go over there,
So you want to show them that that, you know,
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you live up to the hype. And I remember that day,
same thing. I'm like, man, I want to go out there.
I want to look good in hot laps, I want
to look good to the camera. Here's here's the local
media that doesn't know if you're that. You could be
a second over the track record or under the track
record and they wouldn't know the difference. But as Americans,
we wanted to sit there and we wanted to to
you know, represent our country and and make everybody proud.
And uh for Media Day, we always wanted to go
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out there and see if we could run wide open
around or we thought it would impress the media and
they had no clue what was going on. Anyway, it
impressed the media. They got a bunch of cool photos
to put in the newspaper the next day. And I'm like, really,
welcome to New Zealand's great. What is that deal? Like?
By the way you go down there, you're the Americans.
You're competing with the with the New Zealanders and the Australians,
and those guys have already made a name for themselves
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and you're coming down there to steal a little bit
of that limelight. Is that rivalry pretty pretty bitter. It
was weird because some of the guys you raced with
were just thought it was really cool that that we
came over and they were excited to meet us and
and race with us. There's a handful of them that
are better and and envious of what we were doing.
I guess and and I don't know, for lack of
better terms there, but um, we're not quite as happy
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to see us so over there. But um, you know,
the racing was fun and the whole time we were
over there, I mean, the every one of those guys
when we were away from the racetrack, we're a blast
and made sure you had a good time and had fun. Uh.
The best part for me was here. I was a
young guy in my early twenties and went over there,
and the best part was having two girls argue about
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which one was going to come over and help do
my laundry. I thought that was the best part of
the whole trip. Was like, I can't even get I
can't even get people on my floor to help me
do my laundry, and here's they're fighting to see which
one's gonna come over and do the laundry. So I thought, man,
this is pretty pretty cool. I'd like to come to
Australia more race. I know, I've never been down there.
Early on in my career I worked a lot with
Larry Rice and late Larry Rice just a wonderful guy
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and uh and so talented of course and in his time.
But he told me, he said, of all the places
that I ever went to and raced, he said, in
New Zealand is a one place I would move to.
Absolutely loved it. Yeah, I mean all the people are amazing,
their uh their hospitality just through the roof. They love
their racing. But that the countryside. Uh, you know, we
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we traveled a lot while we were there and drove
everywhere just because we wanted to see everything. So both
our trip to New Zealand or trips to to Australia
just unbelievably cool trips. Would would do it over and
over again. Thereko, you've been down there. I've been to
Australia a couple of times and I've been to New
Zealand twice. So it was that was the biggest thing
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that stood out about me, is how well how prepared
they were for us to come over there. For those
months or those periods of time, and how well we
were taking care of you know, they the family I
went and raised for the second year in New Zealand.
I stayed at their house and they comfort us really well,
and we raced their cars, you know, and no matter
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if we raised good or bad, it was still the same. Uh,
you know, how they took care of us. It was
it was a lot of fun. Uh. You know, I
just going that many years for me, Uh, I really
uh kind of grew up in the last few years
and realized how important it is for me to be
home during these holidays, uh, with my family, just because
I'm I'm gone so much racing in the summertime and
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I never get to go home like I used to.
So I take this time to be home and uh
and the summertime I hit it hard. Part of that
is because I'm his family in the summertime. I mean,
it's my roommate. He's not a cheap roommate, by the way.
I mean, there's nothing cheap about having him stay with you.
You think, you know, he's He's easy enough that the
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hardest part with him is his fishing program. His fishing
program almost costs as much as the racing program does.
And no cheap bottles of wine for that guy. No, no, no, no,
definitely not. He definitely has a taste for a good
Sutuizit wines. Is this where he flips the car? Oh? Yeah,
right there. I would have passed down about the third
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time it went around that way? Did you have the
steering wheel? So I thought, I thought you took the
string wheel. My head was glued to the sideboard and
it was all, well, this is the best part. I
was dizzy right here. I'm dizzy. I mean, did you
know did you plan right at this point to jump one?
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We're looking at Keith, but he ended up jumping on Brian. Well,
we were. We were at a bar a couple of
nights before that after I won my freelom night and
I did donuts that night and Brian. We met up
with Brian and Lauren after the after the races, and
Brian was telling me how he's one, you know, X
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amount of sprint car usack races and he's done this
many donuts and I said, well, I just you know,
like to give like show show my fans the appreciation,
you know, That's kind of my way of giving back
and uh, you know, I said, uh, And then we
ended up making a deal. I don't know how it got.
I had maybe too many Budweisers, but uh, I don't
know how it turned into. Uh, if if I won
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on Saturday, he would be at the car to catch
me and Big three line and that's how. Oh, I
don't know. There, I love you. You lose track about
halfway period, that's what we got Big Carl here for
Carl supposed to have this information. He was accounting them.
They rolled that back. Well, I mean the reason I
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bring it up, as you said, he told you how
many donuts He didn't you have to do? You have
to do more than him, So I thought maybe he did.
He was just making it sound like he does, like
he's won so many races, he's hand zero donuts, and
I just I don't know. I don't know. I honestly,
I've never done donuts ever since that chill that race
right there, I've never done. I don't think you can
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beat that. I don't think you can. I agree. I
mean it's it's one and done. I mean perfectly. Yeah.
The only thing I'm not sure the Russian judge scored
him properly. He didn't think the the Russian judge thought
he didn't stick the landing. He said over something. That
thing was on all four corners, one at a time
at different points during that landing before he just didn't
stick the landing like you should. But I mean it
was pretty impressive. He sent me a picture, you know,
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on Monday or Tuesday after the race, and my phone
actle was bent. After that. I wonder why peg all
the weight down on one picture? Fine? Alright, so Stewart,
your first win. Tell us about getting to the Chili Bowl.
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I think I know the story my very first Chili
Bowl driving for RALEI hemling so um, and I don't remember.
Somebody had offered to fly me down there in some
little single engine airplane and blah blah blah. I'm like, yeah,
this is great. You know, it's a long drive from
from Indiana, from Rushville, and I remember the day that
I was supposed to leave, I had like a hundred
three point five degree fever and some big storm was
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and through St. Louis and the guy called about two
hours before we were supposed to leave and say, hey,
we're not gonna We're not gonna be able to go.
I'm like, well, I I gotta go. So I had
my bag packed. I get I'm I'm living with Larry
Marts and his family in Rushville. And I grabbed my
bag and and uh, your mom was happy to two
D two D. Mart's Larry's wife. She goes, what are
you doing? I said, well, I I gotta get in
the car and go. She goes, You're not going anywhere.
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She goes, you gotta fever. I said, I have to go.
I have to go now. So I drove all the
way to Tulsa all night with a hundred and three
point five degree fever. I remember, back in those days,
Rico won't understand this. I bought a discman that you
had the work for. It was a cassette with a
wire hanging out of it. You put in the tape deck, yeah,
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and plugged it into uh, plugged it into the discman.
And I had one CD. I could only I barely
could afford the money for one CD. So I listened
to the same CD wide open. I had the radio
up full blast. I did have a radar detector because
that proved to be a great investment, by the way,
saved me a lot of money, but how did it up?
And wide open? And I ran wide open all the
way down there to drive Raleigh Hemling's car. I think
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I think Corey's on there. Let's try to try to
bring him up here. Corey Kruseman in the house. He's
cruising another two time Chili Bowl winner. How are you
guys today, good Man, Yeah, you're you're pretty glory on
our end. But you sound good. Yeah, you look like
you're in hyper state. Yeah, he looks fast right now.
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I usually feel fat, so fast as good for a change.
We've just been telling some of the stories about getting
to the races and some of the crazy stuff that's
that's happened over the years. And I know you certainly
have no shortage of stories over the course of your career.
Tell us, tell us something, bring us something. We've had
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a lot of good times. It was actually kind of
cool just last I guess a couple of weeks ago
out here at Turkey Night, getting to spend a little
bit of time with with the other rico um getting
rained out. But it was a bit of a fiasco
out here, but we were able to get the race
in and had a good time. I think all in all,
there was only one happy person, which typically is what
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happens on any race night. But yeah, life's good right now.
We're just still real busy in the off road stuff
and in getting cars ready for chili bowl. I just
realized why he looks so fast right now, because his
daughter's been in years. How I'm good man. Hey, I
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was curious how many how many cars you guys bringing
a chili bowl this year? As of right now we
only have four, So but you kind of start banking
on you know, five six, six is the most week
we can do. But uh yeah, four ought to be
like a vacation right now. But it's still be fun.
I kind of wish we were there at the Dome.
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I was just gonna say congratulations on your twentieth year
for the Corey Cruiseman Sprint Car and Midget driving school
coming up here in two thousand twenty. Right, Yeah, it
seems like a blink of an eye. It went by
pretty fast. But still blessed every day to be able
to do something that's not work. Um, you know, it's
not many of us get to live that dream out
and I have been fortunate enough to be able to
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drive in circles my whole life and teach people how
to do it. So it's been a great, a great
run for us, you know, especially with now branching off
into the off road stuff. It's it's kind of like
sprint cars on steroids, you know it. Uh, it would
be imagine putting a jump in the middle of Eldora
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and sitting sprint cars around it. So it's it's pretty
exciting for us. And I actually tried getting Smoke in
the truck a couple of years ago. Unfortunately the rain
didn't help us out, but I think he would be
phenomenal in one Well, it's funny Stout and I have
covered off road for a long time, but uh, you know,
those drivers are always telling me man, I'll tell you
those sprint car guys and midget guys, those guys are
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absolutely nuts. And then I go talk to the sprint
and midget guys and they go, you cover an off
road this year, And I said, yeah, those guys are nuts, man.
And it's it's funny how the different versions of what's
insane to do um from these professional race car drivers.
Because short course off road, as you know, is is
pretty insane. It is nuts. I mean, I like to
screw around and run side by sides, and and I
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get about a foot or two foot off the ground,
and I think I'm doing something and it scares the
crap out of me. And then he wants me to
run a four wheel drive truck. And and I see
these guys jump there jumping. They can jump over school
buses and stuff, and it's like, this doesn't seem like
a very good idea to me. For some reason. I
think there's parts of what I would like, And there's
part where where you're supposed to get really high in
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the air and jump a long way, and I'm like, yeah,
I think I'll just kind of roll over this and
then get back on the gas. I don't know if
I could do it. I have this picture to my
son's are in here for just a second here as
he won the championship on a side by side and
the Lucas Oil Off Road Racing Series this year. But Crusman,
thank you, um you're gonnattest to this. Wheatland got rained
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out this year, actually torn a to hit the race
track and destroyed the place it was, destroyed, the grand stand, everything.
I mean, if you saw the grand stance by the way,
it was a story of its own. I mean you
you we think about the strength of mother nature, but literally,
these big, gigantic ibeams from the grand stands were twisted
like spaghetti. It was like, oh my god, how's that
even possible? But it came. It came from It came
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like from the west right to the east, and it
didn't even hit the circle track stands right. Yeah, like
a lot of the track was still fine, but the
off road hit and the drag the drag boat strip
was the ones that got whacked in the back of
that track. And it's a phenomenal track for off road.
It really has a little bit of everything, real real
long arching and high bank turns, really tight left and
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right turns, the tunnel, a little bit of everything, a
tunnel jump that goes over the top of the tunnel
and uh. And then they had this table top in
the back that is a table top and I think
it's I think it's ninety foot if I'm not mistaken.
It was something like it was seventy to ninety foot
flat the flat like edge to edge. And I have
a picture of my son and his Yamaha side by
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side mid air because he launched. It got him mid
table top and they were sticking the landing on the
other side, and he's got to be three stories in
the air. And I'm looking at this and I'm like,
that is just absolutely insane, man. I mean, talk about
a car that was never designed to do what it's doing.
And then it comes back and we're like, well the
front ends a little worn out. Oh you think that's
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why with Corey wanted me to do this test. It
seemed like a really good idea. But the problem is
they have radios, so I can just imagine I'm gonna
be in this thing and I'm gonna barely get the
tires off the ground, and then you're gonna have Corey
in the background going alright, sweetheart, that's really good. He
did good there. Now we're gonna try to jump this
thing over this hill. Now that just doesn't seem well.
One night, I don't remember what if we was. We
were in Phoenix. It was the same week in his
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NASCAR and we had you and I think you in stenhouse.
We're at the off road track and we got to
interview you guys the same thing. It was kind of like,
it looks fun from the stands, but probably not going
to go out there. And when number of guys along
the way back in the core days like uptill two
thousand and eight when Cora went away. But uh, Paul
Tracing came out and was in one and super aggressive
as as you would expect Paul to be. But did
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a nice job and he just needed some seat time.
But um, they adapt to it pretty quickly. And the
big trucks, the big trucks are pretty forgiving. It's the
smaller trucks that really you get in trouble with the
pro lights just don't have the wheel travel, and you know,
the sideway sides don't have the wheel travel. They hook
a rut and you know, and it wants to launch it.
But the Pro twos and the pro fours really soak
up you know a lot, and uh, needless to say,
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you know, the nine horsepower helps you get over some
of the big jumps, but you can also sail them
too far. I mean it doesn't take much of a
blurb on the throttle to fly it too far. Well,
it's you know, we watched these guys do with the
Robber Kachran's the car Rentis editors. They go run this thing.
They make it look simple. You know, you just drive
around the race track and it's no big deal. They
come watch these guys, you know, ripped the cushion in
a non wing card El Dora and and these guys
make it look simple and it's no big deal. He
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just toss her in there and bounce off the fence
and it's no big deal. You know. Um, and it's
both are equally impressive. I think that the turning right
would be very odd on the dirt, probably for an
oval track guy, knowing that you're going to toss it
in and kind of go the opposite way. I mean,
do you know how many road course wins a little
different on the dirt. That's what I'm saying. It's it's
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gotta be a little awkward to go in there and
do it on the dirt. I think the part that
probably made me go this probably may not be the
right deal for me was we went. I think we
went both nights of that weekend, and uh, that was
one of the bigger shows out there, and and so
I remember going the second day and uh, in practice
or something, they were watching film of of Adler getting
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upside down and Corey was trying to sit there and
analyze what was going on, what to do to fix it.
And I'm sitting there and I don't know enough about
these trucks to to get it. But it's like I
kept asking quarm like, is it has it got enough?
Drooping the lifter? So We're sitting here watching this thing
frame by frame, but I'm watching the same When it
gets ready to go upside down, I'm like, I gotta
work a lot harder than that to get upside down
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in a sprint car. He didn't have to work hard
all to get that truck upside down. I don't know
if this is a good idea. And he's like, oh,
to be fine, did you drive it yet? You drive
it first and tell me if it's all right. Well
that's the other question. How when when does Corey Krusman
ever going to drive it off? He's been he's been
helping drivers out for so long onceome titles with Degan
and other drivers, and and still as you have to
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get behind the wheel. You know, Actually I did a
test with Patrick Clark about I don't know, five six
years ago, um before me and Smoke talked about it.
So but that was appropriate. Is there any video footage. No,
that's when there's not a right But I tell you
the intimidating part is when you come up to the job.
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It's like driving up to the side of your enclosed trailer.
You can't see how far it is. You can't see
if it goes left to right, you can't singing is
And I'm gonna tell you when I drove it, I
bet I went up that jump full flat out at
about twelve miles and and scared me to death. So
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I'm like, all right, I know they're laughing because I
can hear them over the radio. So the next and
about ripped the rare bumper off because I landed on
the tailgate of the damn thing. So I finally black
up and let's go. So the next lap I was
pretty good, but it's you know what, I really enjoyed
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it because you could run anywhere you wanted on the
racetrack without the fear of turning over. You know, we
wiggle toush in and that's our that's our. Um these
ones you can go up over it. And like I said,
I think Smoke and Ricky both would have had a
great time in it. And and hopefully one day we'll
be able to accomplish that. But it's such an impressive
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sport that there's a reason there's ten people every time
we go. Yeah, the Pro twos, I think you would
fall right in, like you you'd be sucking a turn
a Pro two. The Pro four is different just because
of the way you have to drive, and you gotta
flick them in so hard. You're so committed at you know,
really before the turn even starts, you know, to get
all the momentum to what about it perfectly? But what
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about Rico? Rico? Would you do it? I'd hammer him. Yeah,
they sound amer I mean just like Wheatland. Wheatland scares
me because I mean those guys were jumping in over
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two hundred feet on the landing and they finally all
of the drivers gather and they're like, all right, we're
not gonna do this. It's unsafe. It's you know this,
the jumps too big, it's too fast, And I'm like
at the driver's meaning, I'm like, you guys, know the
throttle pedal is on a hinge. You do have a
brake pedal, as you know, this is something you can control.
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But stupid talk. Yeah, there they're wanting to redo the
jump because we're jumping too far as the posed to.
You know, we could just slow down a little bit.
Let me tell you. Let me tell you exactly where
he's going with this and why this doesn't make sense
to race car drivers. Because when Jason Leffler first came
back to run for Keith and Pete in Indiana, he
lived with me too. I I must be like the
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shelter for wayward boys and battered men or something. But
he lived with me, which that kid never saw the
crack of nude. I mean about four or five o'clock
his bedroom door to open for the first time. But
we bought these little p fifties, and we had watched
Krusty Demons a dirt and here he had jeff Emmick
and all these guys and and they bought these fifties
and they had this little this little track in M's backyard.
And what sold me is it was five dollars to
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win the race, five dollars for the best takeout. Moving like,
we gotta get some of these. So we went down
the net. The only place we could find four of
them was in Nashville, Tennessee. So we drive to Nashville,
get four these p fifties and fire him up in
the parking lot. That's what Hanna does, load him up
in the truck. We had him strapped down Rome, straight home,
straight to the middle of the night. I live in
a residential neighborhood. Thank God. My neighbors are old people
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that have known me in my entire life and know
that I'm a dumbass. Immediately know I'm a dumbass. We
were getting painters. Everybody was exactly. The whole neighborhood knows
I'm a dumbass. But we bought We had painters. Lights
that were in the garage, and we had anything. We
had fluorescent lights from the ceil, and we had a
mount hooked up to two ladders, anything where we could
get light in the backyard. We're in running these things
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till midnight until somebody, and it wasn't my immediate neighbors,
because they were out watching in lawn chairs. Somebody in
the neighborhood called the cops. But we raced and raced
and raced, and we raced around a pine tree and
then we had a right rear sprint car tire that
was dismounted and that was the marker for the other side,
and we just ran the oval. So that got to
where that wasn't good enough. So then we took a
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garden hose and watered the grass to make it slick,
and then in the element of difficulty went up and
it finally got sketchy. So I was just like what
Corey said. I said, well, if we take our helmets
off and don't ride with helmets, will slow down because
we're you know, we won't be as wild and crazy
if we don't have helmets on. That lasted about half
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a half. The lap is all the longer that last,
and then when the leveler went by me, it pissed
me off and I went back to hammer down without
a helmet, which was much better idea. So tell him
about being his legs out when he tried standing up. Well,
that was the five dollars best takeout move. I mean,
you'd get somebody five bucks on the line. I mean,
come on, who is the guy Jeff whom? Jeff? Yeah? Okay,
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So so we learned real easy. If you got on
the inside of somebody and could get on the gas
and get get up beside him, uh, you could reach
over there and hit their kill switch and just enough.
I mean you have to take your hand off the
throttle do it. But you could just get the kill
switch and get back on the throat along enough to
clear him and go on away. But that worked for
a little while. And then the only way you really
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got a really good jump on a guy as if
you could get all the way beside him and get
you know, half a bike linked ahead. I mean, if
you could take your right foot and kick the front
of his tire while he's leaning this way and pick
it this way. He goes slam on the ground. So
then by the time that they went woke back up,
got propped back up. Now keep in mind it's a fifty,
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so your legs are at a triangle to hit the ground.
It's not like you're on a full sized bike standing
up and down. Their legs are hanging out well. By
the time they they go to kick at you're coming
around again. So they got all their weight on the
left leg and they're going to kick start this thing,
and about that time it's like Daniel Son, you sweep
the leg, sweep the leg, and then they try to
like it. They fall like a tree because they cannot
physically get their leg back fast enough so you watch
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them on a slow fifty go and the cycle starts
all over. So that would normally get the best takeout movie.
Normally took the twenty dollar pot and celebrated it was
It was a lot of motorcycle and mind you, all
these motorcycles were bought for that five dollar pool. Yeah,
I think they cost us about a piece though, to
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win five dollars at a time. It was just like
any other racing divisions. You don't pay you enough, You're
having to get news as the promoter. Let us race
at all hours at the night, at least till the
cops pot. Thanks for watching this edition of the Skinny.
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Welcome back to this special edition of the Skinny Catched
out with your Rico Elmore in the house or Rob
Clipper here with us smoke Yes, Tony Stewart in the
house as well, and a couple of calling guests, two
time Chili Bowl winners Rico Abrew and Corey Kruzman. Stay
with us. It's gonna be fun. The only reason we
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really brought Clipper in here so I can put him
on the spot every now and again. So give us.
Give us your best New Zealand story, you and you
and your brother down there tearing things up, and uh,
you've got to have something. We got to go down
there twice in ninety nine. Then we were there from
ninety nine to two thousands, so for the millennium switch
and New Zealand's the first country across the International date line,
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so it was the first country on the planet to
move into the New millennium, which meant in Auckland, we
got that going for us, but we also got in trouble.
I think it was the media day. You've been down
to Western Springs. I'm sure they do a media day.
They put the drivers out on the track, local news
shows up, you know, Shoot, some interviews with the drivers.
The first year we went it was it was a
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bunch of young guns, my myself, my brother, Ricky Shelton
and Steve Payton. The first year of the second year
we went with Jerry Coon's j Drake went down there
with this market Beaumont. But that first year media day,
we're in the country for a day and a half.
Still messed up on jet lag. I said, listen, they
didn't prep the track. It's completely flat, no bank at all. Right,
it's a beautiful facility. I said, go run a couple
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of laps, you know, running through the corner. We'll try
and guests on the gear and try and learn something
out of this to get ready for the first race.
And it was I think the second lap he jumped
on the gas, went down into turn number three, full bore,
backed it into the wall, destroyed the tail tank, wrecked
the rear of the car. And when he got back,
I said, well, what the heck was that he saw?
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I was curious if I could flat foot three and four.
I go, it's media day. Now we got a jumped car.
Were in the country for twenty four hours, We got
a jumped car. Sports page next day welcome to New
Zealand and accomplished. It is like awesome, appreciate that. So yeah,
day one we're already fixing race cars and uh yeah.
From then on it was dude, really you gotta try
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and flat foot? Media day not good going for it? Man,
make the headlines, right. I guess that's the racer mentality.
I I. You know, you look at the track and
you go chili bolth small. But if it's right, I
should be able to flat foot. Let's see if we
can get through three and four. Make sure if I'm
I'm only laughing because when I went to Australia ninety
five after winning the triple Crown, I did the same thing.
On media day. I looked at it and all the
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media is there. Same deal. I rifled and the only
thing is I didn't back it in the fence. But
I was sitting there the whole time going I think
I can flat footed around there. And you know, for us,
it's a huge deal to go overseas like that, so
when you go there, you want you want to make
a splash. You know that. Uh you know what the
country thinks of the American drivers when they go over there,
So you want to show them that that, you know,
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you live up to the hype. And I remember that day,
same thing. I'm like, man, I want to go out there.
I want to look good in hot laps, I want
to look good to the camera. Here's here's the local
media that doesn't know if you're that. You could be
a second over the track record or under the track
record and they wouldn't know the difference. But as Americans,
we wanted to sit there and we wanted to to
you know, represent our country and and make everybody proud.
And uh for Media Day, we always wanted to go
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out there and see if we could run wide open
around or we thought it would impress the media and
they had no clue what was going on. Anyway, it
impressed the media. They got a bunch of cool photos
to put in the newspaper the next day. And I'm like, really,
welcome to New Zealand's great. What is that deal? Like?
By the way you go down there, you're the Americans.
You're competing with the with the New Zealanders and the Australians,
and those guys have already made a name for themselves
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and you're coming down there to steal a little bit
of that limelight. Is that rivalry pretty pretty bitter. It
was weird because some of the guys you raced with
were just thought it was really cool that that we
came over and they were excited to meet us and
and race with us. There's a handful of them that
are better and and envious of what we were doing.
I guess and and I don't know, for lack of
better terms there, but um, we're not quite as happy
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to see us so over there. But um, you know,
the racing was fun and the whole time we were
over there, I mean, the every one of those guys
when we were away from the racetrack, we're a blast
and made sure you had a good time and had fun. Uh.
The best part for me was here. I was a
young guy in my early twenties and went over there,
and the best part was having two girls argue about
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which one was going to come over and help do
my laundry. I thought that was the best part of
the whole trip. Was like, I can't even get I
can't even get people on my floor to help me
do my laundry, and here's they're fighting to see which
one's gonna come over and do the laundry. So I thought, man,
this is pretty pretty cool. I'd like to come to
Australia more race. I know, I've never been down there.
Early on in my career I worked a lot with
Larry Rice and late Larry Rice just a wonderful guy
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and uh and so talented of course and in his time.
But he told me, he said, of all the places
that I ever went to and raced, he said, in
New Zealand is a one place I would move to.
Absolutely loved it. Yeah, I mean all the people are amazing,
their uh their hospitality just through the roof. They love
their racing. But that the countryside. Uh, you know, we
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we traveled a lot while we were there and drove
everywhere just because we wanted to see everything. So both
our trip to New Zealand or trips to to Australia
just unbelievably cool trips. Would would do it over and
over again. Thereko, you've been down there. I've been to
Australia a couple of times and I've been to New
Zealand twice. So it was that was the biggest thing
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that stood out about me, is how well how prepared
they were for us to come over there. For those
months or those periods of time, and how well we
were taking care of you know, they the family I
went and raised for the second year in New Zealand.
I stayed at their house and they comfort us really well,
and we raced their cars, you know, and no matter
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if we raised good or bad, it was still the same. Uh,
you know, how they took care of us. It was
it was a lot of fun. Uh. You know, I
just going that many years for me, Uh, I really
uh kind of grew up in the last few years
and realized how important it is for me to be
home during these holidays, uh, with my family, just because
I'm I'm gone so much racing in the summertime and
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I never get to go home like I used to.
So I take this time to be home and uh
and the summertime I hit it hard. Part of that
is because I'm his family in the summertime. I mean,
it's my roommate. He's not a cheap roommate, by the way.
I mean, there's nothing cheap about having him stay with you.
You think, you know, he's He's easy enough that the
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hardest part with him is his fishing program. His fishing
program almost costs as much as the racing program does.
And no cheap bottles of wine for that guy. No, no, no, no,
definitely not. He definitely has a taste for a good
Sutuizit wines. Is this where he flips the car? Oh? Yeah,
right there. I would have passed down about the third
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time it went around that way? Did you have the
steering wheel? So I thought, I thought you took the
string wheel. My head was glued to the sideboard and
it was all, well, this is the best part. I
was dizzy right here. I'm dizzy. I mean, did you
know did you plan right at this point to jump one?
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We're looking at Keith, but he ended up jumping on Brian. Well,
we were. We were at a bar a couple of
nights before that after I won my freelom night and
I did donuts that night and Brian. We met up
with Brian and Lauren after the after the races, and
Brian was telling me how he's one, you know, X
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amount of sprint car usack races and he's done this
many donuts and I said, well, I just you know,
like to give like show show my fans the appreciation,
you know, That's kind of my way of giving back
and uh, you know, I said, uh, And then we
ended up making a deal. I don't know how it got.
I had maybe too many Budweisers, but uh, I don't
know how it turned into. Uh, if if I won
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on Saturday, he would be at the car to catch
me and Big three line and that's how. Oh, I
don't know. There, I love you. You lose track about
halfway period, that's what we got Big Carl here for
Carl supposed to have this information. He was accounting them.
They rolled that back. Well, I mean the reason I
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bring it up, as you said, he told you how
many donuts He didn't you have to do? You have
to do more than him, So I thought maybe he did.
He was just making it sound like he does, like
he's won so many races, he's hand zero donuts, and
I just I don't know. I don't know. I honestly,
I've never done donuts ever since that chill that race
right there, I've never done. I don't think you can
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beat that. I don't think you can. I agree. I
mean it's it's one and done. I mean perfectly. Yeah.
The only thing I'm not sure the Russian judge scored
him properly. He didn't think the the Russian judge thought
he didn't stick the landing. He said over something. That
thing was on all four corners, one at a time
at different points during that landing before he just didn't
stick the landing like you should. But I mean it
was pretty impressive. He sent me a picture, you know,
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on Monday or Tuesday after the race, and my phone
actle was bent. After that. I wonder why peg all
the weight down on one picture? Fine? Alright, so Stewart,
your first win. Tell us about getting to the Chili Bowl.
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I think I know the story my very first Chili
Bowl driving for RALEI hemling so um, and I don't remember.
Somebody had offered to fly me down there in some
little single engine airplane and blah blah blah. I'm like, yeah,
this is great. You know, it's a long drive from
from Indiana, from Rushville, and I remember the day that
I was supposed to leave, I had like a hundred
three point five degree fever and some big storm was
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and through St. Louis and the guy called about two
hours before we were supposed to leave and say, hey,
we're not gonna We're not gonna be able to go.
I'm like, well, I I gotta go. So I had
my bag packed. I get I'm I'm living with Larry
Marts and his family in Rushville. And I grabbed my
bag and and uh, your mom was happy to two
D two D. Mart's Larry's wife. She goes, what are
you doing? I said, well, I I gotta get in
the car and go. She goes, You're not going anywhere.
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She goes, you gotta fever. I said, I have to go.
I have to go now. So I drove all the
way to Tulsa all night with a hundred and three
point five degree fever. I remember, back in those days,
Rico won't understand this. I bought a discman that you
had the work for. It was a cassette with a
wire hanging out of it. You put in the tape deck, yeah,
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and plugged it into uh, plugged it into the discman.
And I had one CD. I could only I barely
could afford the money for one CD. So I listened
to the same CD wide open. I had the radio
up full blast. I did have a radar detector because
that proved to be a great investment, by the way,
saved me a lot of money, but how did it up?
And wide open? And I ran wide open all the
way down there to drive Raleigh Hemling's car. I think
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I think Corey's on there. Let's try to try to
bring him up here. Corey Kruseman in the house. He's
cruising another two time Chili Bowl winner. How are you
guys today, good Man, Yeah, you're you're pretty glory on
our end. But you sound good. Yeah, you look like
you're in hyper state. Yeah, he looks fast right now.
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I usually feel fat, so fast as good for a change.
We've just been telling some of the stories about getting
to the races and some of the crazy stuff that's
that's happened over the years. And I know you certainly
have no shortage of stories over the course of your career.
Tell us, tell us something, bring us something. We've had
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a lot of good times. It was actually kind of
cool just last I guess a couple of weeks ago
out here at Turkey Night, getting to spend a little
bit of time with with the other rico um getting
rained out. But it was a bit of a fiasco
out here, but we were able to get the race
in and had a good time. I think all in all,
there was only one happy person, which typically is what
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happens on any race night. But yeah, life's good right now.
We're just still real busy in the off road stuff
and in getting cars ready for chili bowl. I just
realized why he looks so fast right now, because his
daughter's been in years. How I'm good man. Hey, I
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was curious how many how many cars you guys bringing
a chili bowl this year? As of right now we
only have four, So but you kind of start banking
on you know, five six, six is the most week
we can do. But uh yeah, four ought to be
like a vacation right now. But it's still be fun.
I kind of wish we were there at the Dome.
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I was just gonna say congratulations on your twentieth year
for the Corey Cruiseman Sprint Car and Midget driving school
coming up here in two thousand twenty. Right, Yeah, it
seems like a blink of an eye. It went by
pretty fast. But still blessed every day to be able
to do something that's not work. Um, you know, it's
not many of us get to live that dream out
and I have been fortunate enough to be able to
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drive in circles my whole life and teach people how
to do it. So it's been a great, a great
run for us, you know, especially with now branching off
into the off road stuff. It's it's kind of like
sprint cars on steroids, you know it. Uh, it would
be imagine putting a jump in the middle of Eldora
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and sitting sprint cars around it. So it's it's pretty
exciting for us. And I actually tried getting Smoke in
the truck a couple of years ago. Unfortunately the rain
didn't help us out, but I think he would be
phenomenal in one Well, it's funny Stout and I have
covered off road for a long time, but uh, you know,
those drivers are always telling me man, I'll tell you
those sprint car guys and midget guys, those guys are
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absolutely nuts. And then I go talk to the sprint
and midget guys and they go, you cover an off
road this year, And I said, yeah, those guys are nuts, man.
And it's it's funny how the different versions of what's
insane to do um from these professional race car drivers.
Because short course off road, as you know, is is
pretty insane. It is nuts. I mean, I like to
screw around and run side by sides, and and I
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get about a foot or two foot off the ground,
and I think I'm doing something and it scares the
crap out of me. And then he wants me to
run a four wheel drive truck. And and I see
these guys jump there jumping. They can jump over school
buses and stuff, and it's like, this doesn't seem like
a very good idea to me. For some reason. I
think there's parts of what I would like, And there's
part where where you're supposed to get really high in
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the air and jump a long way, and I'm like, yeah,
I think I'll just kind of roll over this and
then get back on the gas. I don't know if
I could do it. I have this picture to my
son's are in here for just a second here as
he won the championship on a side by side and
the Lucas Oil Off Road Racing Series this year. But Crusman,
thank you, um you're gonnattest to this. Wheatland got rained
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out this year, actually torn a to hit the race
track and destroyed the place it was, destroyed, the grand stand, everything.
I mean, if you saw the grand stance by the way,
it was a story of its own. I mean you
you we think about the strength of mother nature, but literally,
these big, gigantic ibeams from the grand stands were twisted
like spaghetti. It was like, oh my god, how's that
even possible? But it came. It came from It came
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like from the west right to the east, and it
didn't even hit the circle track stands right. Yeah, like
a lot of the track was still fine, but the
off road hit and the drag the drag boat strip
was the ones that got whacked in the back of
that track. And it's a phenomenal track for off road.
It really has a little bit of everything, real real
long arching and high bank turns, really tight left and
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right turns, the tunnel, a little bit of everything, a
tunnel jump that goes over the top of the tunnel
and uh. And then they had this table top in
the back that is a table top and I think
it's I think it's ninety foot if I'm not mistaken.
It was something like it was seventy to ninety foot
flat the flat like edge to edge. And I have
a picture of my son and his Yamaha side by
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side mid air because he launched. It got him mid
table top and they were sticking the landing on the
other side, and he's got to be three stories in
the air. And I'm looking at this and I'm like,
that is just absolutely insane, man. I mean, talk about
a car that was never designed to do what it's doing.
And then it comes back and we're like, well the
front ends a little worn out. Oh you think that's
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why with Corey wanted me to do this test. It
seemed like a really good idea. But the problem is
they have radios, so I can just imagine I'm gonna
be in this thing and I'm gonna barely get the
tires off the ground, and then you're gonna have Corey
in the background going alright, sweetheart, that's really good. He
did good there. Now we're gonna try to jump this
thing over this hill. Now that just doesn't seem well.
One night, I don't remember what if we was. We
were in Phoenix. It was the same week in his
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NASCAR and we had you and I think you in stenhouse.
We're at the off road track and we got to
interview you guys the same thing. It was kind of like,
it looks fun from the stands, but probably not going
to go out there. And when number of guys along
the way back in the core days like uptill two
thousand and eight when Cora went away. But uh, Paul
Tracing came out and was in one and super aggressive
as as you would expect Paul to be. But did
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a nice job and he just needed some seat time.
But um, they adapt to it pretty quickly. And the
big trucks, the big trucks are pretty forgiving. It's the
smaller trucks that really you get in trouble with the
pro lights just don't have the wheel travel, and you know,
the sideway sides don't have the wheel travel. They hook
a rut and you know, and it wants to launch it.
But the Pro twos and the pro fours really soak
up you know a lot, and uh, needless to say,
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you know, the nine horsepower helps you get over some
of the big jumps, but you can also sail them
too far. I mean it doesn't take much of a
blurb on the throttle to fly it too far. Well,
it's you know, we watched these guys do with the
Robber Kachran's the car Rentis editors. They go run this thing.
They make it look simple. You know, you just drive
around the race track and it's no big deal. They
come watch these guys, you know, ripped the cushion in
a non wing card El Dora and and these guys
make it look simple and it's no big deal. He
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just toss her in there and bounce off the fence
and it's no big deal. You know. Um, and it's
both are equally impressive. I think that the turning right
would be very odd on the dirt, probably for an
oval track guy, knowing that you're going to toss it
in and kind of go the opposite way. I mean,
do you know how many road course wins a little
different on the dirt. That's what I'm saying. It's it's
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gotta be a little awkward to go in there and
do it on the dirt. I think the part that
probably made me go this probably may not be the
right deal for me was we went. I think we
went both nights of that weekend, and uh, that was
one of the bigger shows out there, and and so
I remember going the second day and uh, in practice
or something, they were watching film of of Adler getting
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upside down and Corey was trying to sit there and
analyze what was going on, what to do to fix it.
And I'm sitting there and I don't know enough about
these trucks to to get it. But it's like I
kept asking quarm like, is it has it got enough?
Drooping the lifter? So We're sitting here watching this thing
frame by frame, but I'm watching the same When it
gets ready to go upside down, I'm like, I gotta
work a lot harder than that to get upside down
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in a sprint car. He didn't have to work hard
all to get that truck upside down. I don't know
if this is a good idea. And he's like, oh,
to be fine, did you drive it yet? You drive
it first and tell me if it's all right. Well
that's the other question. How when when does Corey Krusman
ever going to drive it off? He's been he's been
helping drivers out for so long onceome titles with Degan
and other drivers, and and still as you have to
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get behind the wheel. You know, Actually I did a
test with Patrick Clark about I don't know, five six
years ago, um before me and Smoke talked about it.
So but that was appropriate. Is there any video footage. No,
that's when there's not a right But I tell you
the intimidating part is when you come up to the job.
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It's like driving up to the side of your enclosed trailer.
You can't see how far it is. You can't see
if it goes left to right, you can't singing is
And I'm gonna tell you when I drove it, I
bet I went up that jump full flat out at
about twelve miles and and scared me to death. So
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I'm like, all right, I know they're laughing because I
can hear them over the radio. So the next and
about ripped the rare bumper off because I landed on
the tailgate of the damn thing. So I finally black
up and let's go. So the next lap I was
pretty good, but it's you know what, I really enjoyed
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it because you could run anywhere you wanted on the
racetrack without the fear of turning over. You know, we
wiggle toush in and that's our that's our. Um these
ones you can go up over it. And like I said,
I think Smoke and Ricky both would have had a
great time in it. And and hopefully one day we'll
be able to accomplish that. But it's such an impressive
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sport that there's a reason there's ten people every time
we go. Yeah, the Pro twos, I think you would
fall right in, like you you'd be sucking a turn
a Pro two. The Pro four is different just because
of the way you have to drive, and you gotta
flick them in so hard. You're so committed at you know,
really before the turn even starts, you know, to get
all the momentum to what about it perfectly? But what
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about Rico? Rico? Would you do it? I'd hammer him. Yeah,
they sound amer I mean just like Wheatland. Wheatland scares
me because I mean those guys were jumping in over
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two hundred feet on the landing and they finally all
of the drivers gather and they're like, all right, we're
not gonna do this. It's unsafe. It's you know this,
the jumps too big, it's too fast, And I'm like
at the driver's meaning, I'm like, you guys, know the
throttle pedal is on a hinge. You do have a
brake pedal, as you know, this is something you can control.
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But stupid talk. Yeah, there they're wanting to redo the
jump because we're jumping too far as the posed to.
You know, we could just slow down a little bit.
Let me tell you. Let me tell you exactly where
he's going with this and why this doesn't make sense
to race car drivers. Because when Jason Leffler first came
back to run for Keith and Pete in Indiana, he
lived with me too. I I must be like the
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shelter for wayward boys and battered men or something. But
he lived with me, which that kid never saw the
crack of nude. I mean about four or five o'clock
his bedroom door to open for the first time. But
we bought these little p fifties, and we had watched
Krusty Demons a dirt and here he had jeff Emmick
and all these guys and and they bought these fifties
and they had this little this little track in M's backyard.
And what sold me is it was five dollars to
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win the race, five dollars for the best takeout. Moving like,
we gotta get some of these. So we went down
the net. The only place we could find four of
them was in Nashville, Tennessee. So we drive to Nashville,
get four these p fifties and fire him up in
the parking lot. That's what Hanna does, load him up
in the truck. We had him strapped down Rome, straight home,
straight to the middle of the night. I live in
a residential neighborhood. Thank God. My neighbors are old people
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that have known me in my entire life and know
that I'm a dumbass. Immediately know I'm a dumbass. We
were getting painters. Everybody was exactly. The whole neighborhood knows
I'm a dumbass. But we bought We had painters. Lights
that were in the garage, and we had anything. We
had fluorescent lights from the ceil, and we had a
mount hooked up to two ladders, anything where we could
get light in the backyard. We're in running these things
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till midnight until somebody, and it wasn't my immediate neighbors,
because they were out watching in lawn chairs. Somebody in
the neighborhood called the cops. But we raced and raced
and raced, and we raced around a pine tree and
then we had a right rear sprint car tire that
was dismounted and that was the marker for the other side,
and we just ran the oval. So that got to
where that wasn't good enough. So then we took a
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garden hose and watered the grass to make it slick,
and then in the element of difficulty went up and
it finally got sketchy. So I was just like what
Corey said. I said, well, if we take our helmets
off and don't ride with helmets, will slow down because
we're you know, we won't be as wild and crazy
if we don't have helmets on. That lasted about half
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a half. The lap is all the longer that last,
and then when the leveler went by me, it pissed
me off and I went back to hammer down without
a helmet, which was much better idea. So tell him
about being his legs out when he tried standing up. Well,
that was the five dollars best takeout move. I mean,
you'd get somebody five bucks on the line. I mean,
come on, who is the guy Jeff whom? Jeff? Yeah? Okay,
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So so we learned real easy. If you got on
the inside of somebody and could get on the gas
and get get up beside him, uh, you could reach
over there and hit their kill switch and just enough.
I mean you have to take your hand off the
throttle do it. But you could just get the kill
switch and get back on the throat along enough to
clear him and go on away. But that worked for
a little while. And then the only way you really
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got a really good jump on a guy as if
you could get all the way beside him and get
you know, half a bike linked ahead. I mean, if
you could take your right foot and kick the front
of his tire while he's leaning this way and pick
it this way. He goes slam on the ground. So
then by the time that they went woke back up,
got propped back up. Now keep in mind it's a fifty,
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so your legs are at a triangle to hit the ground.
It's not like you're on a full sized bike standing
up and down. Their legs are hanging out well. By
the time they they go to kick at you're coming
around again. So they got all their weight on the
left leg and they're going to kick start this thing,
and about that time it's like Daniel Son, you sweep
the leg, sweep the leg, and then they try to
like it. They fall like a tree because they cannot
physically get their leg back fast enough so you watch
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them on a slow fifty go and the cycle starts
all over. So that would normally get the best takeout movie.
Normally took the twenty dollar pot and celebrated it was
It was a lot of motorcycle and mind you, all
these motorcycles were bought for that five dollar pool. Yeah,
I think they cost us about a piece though, to
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win five dollars at a time. It was just like
any other racing divisions. You don't pay you enough, You're
having to get news as the promoter. Let us race
at all hours at the night, at least till the
cops pot. Thanks for watching this edition of the Skinny.
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