August 13, 2025 • 66 mins
Buckeye fall camp is in full swing, which means we take our take on our depth chart projection. The Silver Bullets are stacked! Depths and movements on the offensive line. How great will the pass rushers be?
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Anchors up sells it from Welcome to the swep pass.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Aden A Jared doing all right, you're doing, my friend, nutradition.
Good your days.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's all I did. That's how I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I think we're all doing fine because we all we
all smell it, Jared.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
We all smells like smell smell football. Football is in
the air. Football is in the air. We've got fall camp,
we got We've got position battles to talk about. Man,
this is this is exciting times.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And I think not only do we have position battles stuck,
but I think we got some good position battles talk about.
And I'll explain what I mean by because sometimes sometimes
there are good position battles and sometimes there are bad
position battles. And I think I'll just explain what that means. Now,
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there are good position battles. These are position battles where
you have multiple starters and you have more starters than
you have starting spots. Then there are a bad position
battles where you're just desperately looking for someone. There are
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good position battles, and then there's twenty nineteen justin Fields
versus Chris Chughanov. Did they ever pretend that was a battle.
I don't remember. My memory doesn't go back that far anymore.
I don't remember anything before twenty twenty. Did they actually pretend? Okay,
I'll say this, and I know that there's consternation about this,
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and I guess we can just sort of start the show.
As far as getting into the depth chart prediction of
it all, Yeah, I believe. I believe there is a
quarterback battle of sorts. And I know that's a controversial take.
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And while I do feel very confident that saying ends
up winning said quarterback battle, I think that a lot
of the hype around Lincoln Keenholes is legitimate and if
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Ohio State absolutely had to, and if Ohio State absolutely
had to, they could play with Lincoln and win football games.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I like what Austin said in the in the chat here, Jared,
I think I think there's a Julian You're you're winning,
so don't lose it, but you can lose it battle.
I think I think I think that kind of fits
fits a fits the bill right there. This is Julian
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saying position here, but but he can ease, he can
easily lose it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Though, I'll say this, how about this, this would be
more of a quarterback battle. If this was still Urban
Meyer's football team, I think I think a lot of
the hype you hear from Lincoln or about Lincoln rather
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is that he's really good at the read option, He's big,
he's powerful, all of these things. Yeah, exactly, Spikes, he'd
be in love with Link I think so too. That
being said, this is Ryan Day's football team, and I
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think Julian saying is more the Ryan Day quarterback. Austin
said that Lincoln was always a stash and developed guy,
which is like, yeah, he played small high school ball.
There was always potential there. He was never going to
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be a guy who won the job as a He's
from South Dakota, exactly. They don't have big high schools
in South Dakota. Maybe they do, I don't know, but
if they, regardless, I don't know anything about South Dkota.
Point is is that the level competition there was not high.
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He was never going to be a guy who competed
in his first or second year to start. He was
always going to be a developmental guy, even if he
was really talented, and he is. So it's not that
like Lincoln showed up out of nowhere and all of
a sudden, it's a good quarterback. No, this was always
his timeline. This was always his timeline. And again, if
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this was Urban Meyer's football team, I think this is
a very legitimate tight battle. But this is not Urban
Meyers football team, which is why I I think the
hype around I think the like the hype around Link
is legitimate. But one of these guys is a is
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a Ryan Day style quarterback and the other one is not.
Who is better at leading the team? I think that's
a great question, and I've and from what I've been hearing,
saying is getting more comfortable in that role, and I
think early in camp that that was not necessarily the case,
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and that that was certainly a missing piece and one
of the reasons why this battle was legitimate. And I
think that's something saying is going to have to continue
to get better at in order to be like the
formal winner of the battle. Then you have Saint Clair,
who has a brilliant future at Ohio State. But you know,
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Week one is Texas, So you gotta get the you
gotta get the player, you gotta get this year's guys, ready,
you do, absolutely, That's that's where we are with Saint Clair.
If I if this was a if this were a
opening season where your big bad off season or your
big bad out of conference team was Cal and you
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played it in Week three, maybe Saint Clair is getting
more reps during spring camp. But this is that's not
this season. Sure, so hopefully we don't see Saint Clair
for a year or two, because if we get to
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Saint Clair this season, it's it's it's it's bad. That's there.
There are bad circumstances that lead to that happening. And
but I do want to reiterate that I think he
has a brilliant future at Ohio State where you want
to go. What are you wanna talk about.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Next, Kyle, Let's do the running backs. We State lost
their pair of thousand yard rushers. Yeah, and income Income's talent,
still talent, but inexperienced running backs here?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, I think you have, but.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I mean you have you have the you have the
incoming transfer of C. J. Donaldson. So for me, you've
got you've got some experience there. We've seen we've seen
spurts of James people's from time to time last year
like what we've seen so far. And of course we've
got bo Jackson. And I'll just make the obvious joke.
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With a name like that, you can't go wrong, right right, right.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And I don't have sam William Dixon on the graphic,
but he'll be utilized this year because he has a
unique skill set that you know, I don't necessarily know
that he gets a lot of he just goes by
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Samuel Dixon. Now, oh, okay, you have Samuel Dixon. Now
I totally miss that, but he'll he'll get in in
probably more specialty type situations. But I do think that.
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And there's Jackson apparently had a fantastic scrimmage. I guess
he was maybe sick during the first part of camp,
but he's better now and he's starting to make some waves.
And people are like, oh, could this be a three
running back rotation? And I'll say this, Ohio State doesn't
do a three running back rotation if everyone's healthy, just
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historically correct, it doesn't happen. Yep, I it does not happen.
When everyone's healthy, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
But I do agree with what you have there, Jared
change people's you're starting running back C. J. Donaldson and
then Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, And and I do think the two headed beast
will be People's in Donaldson, and we'll see Bo Jackson
like we saw People's last year in some late blowout
situations and and and whatever else Sonic and knuckles.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, all right, Yeah, we're going to want to do
I want to do the easy ones. Do the wide
receivers at least for the starters, at least, I.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I yeah, I would say, I have you know, for
the most part, I'm doing too deep. I know the
first two we pulled where I have three deep, but
the wide receivers are only too deep. Most of the
positions are only too deep. I feel very confident I
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have six, you know, I just opened up the three.
I hear that JJ guy might start right six wide
receivers up on the board right now. I feel totally
one hundred confident in my placement of five of them,
including who's starting and who's not and and all of that,
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including you know Nis with Graham behind Innis and the
slot you know, Smith and Tate as your starters on
the outside. I feel totally confident that Quincy Porter is
probably your guy behind Jeremiah Smith and I and I
currently have Bryson Rodgers is the guy behind Tate. I
feel good about that. But if someone wants to try
and talk me out of talk me out of Rogers
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being the guy behind behind Tate, I'd listen. But the
other five I feel are are rock solid.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, I can't really disagree with that. I think the
only maybe the other exception might be bobobkin Miller maybe,
but I do, but I do, but I do. I
think those six, I think those six.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Are I'd feel very confident.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Excuse me, oh, I feel well if you're very confident
about those six, Jared.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, Austin says Bodpin is a twenty twenty six two
deep guy, and I agree with that assessment. I would,
I agree. I think I think these are the six
guys and the six guys in these six positions, and
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I think I think I'm gonna stick to that. Again,
those are your starters with Smith and Tate on the outside,
and this is the slot Porter behind Smith, Mile and
Graham behind Ennis and Bryson Rodgers behind Tate. I feel
good there.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
All right, let's let's finish up. Let's finish up with
the tight ends here.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Tight ends Kyle O High State might have the best
tight end room in the country. It's actually, is this
the year?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Is this the year?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Jared?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Ask it? Every year? Ask it every year?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Is this the year? Tight end? I want to point
out that we had a year of the tight end
only two seasons ago. Kate Stover deserves his flowers on
that we had the year of the tight End two
seasons ago. Pay Kate's over his due respects. That being said,
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I don't think Ohio States has ever had Max Clare
at tight end before. And I don't mean that literally,
They've never had mac Claire. I don't think they've ever
had someone like Max Claire at tight end before, not
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even just Claire. The room is so deep, oh I
one hundred percent kick Merrick has proven himself as a
totally reliable blocker and a guy who can make some
catches when needed. Same with Bennett Christian, a guy he
made a huge reception in the playoffs, primarily a blocker,
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but can absolutely you know, make catches when needed. Claire
is just all of it. Maybe not as good as
a blocker as the other two guys, but still, you
know is that guy and Thurman has been getting a
ton of buzz this camp. I mean, that's four deep
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four deep on the tight ends right now. I don't
even have Thurman up on the board right now. I
did not myself go four deep anywhere. The best tight
end room in the country, best tight end room Ohio
State has ever had. And I feel very confident in
saying both of those things, like I'm not even I'm
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not going to hedge that, I'm not going to qualify that.
That's that's it. That's the entire sentence. I guess both
two entire sentences. Shut up, Jared, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Kyle?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, I think Claire Is is your starter. Kakamerica, You're
backup in Christian the third tight end there.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
So I agree with that. I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And yet I still fully expect Thurman to get snaps
this year.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Crazy depends on how much running, how much running Coach
Day wants to do this year.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Well, and it's just it's just like all because everyone's oh,
you have all of these tight ends, and you're like,
oh my goodness, you have all these tight ends, So
what are we gonna start running this formation in that formation?
And are we going to see more two tight end sets?
And da da da, And like I have to explain
to people. You know, if you put an extra tight
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end on the field, you're taking Brennan Nis off the field, right,
Like two tight ends means one less wide receiver like
uh and and by the way, and no disrespect to
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James People's or CJ. Donaldson, who I think are gonna
have great years. But look at these wide receivers and
look at these tight ends. Look at these wide receivers
and look at these tight ends. This is why Sayan's
winning the job. Yeah, all right, this is not this
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is not J. T. Barrett's offense.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
All right, let's let's do the slobs.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Let's let's this is controversial. I tell you what, let
me I'm gonna do center. I don't think anyone's gonna
disagree with this. I think this one's there's there's I
said at the beginning of the show. There's good position
battles and there's bad position battles. And in years past
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when we talked about the offensive line, it was bad.
It was bad position battles. It was like we got
like three guys and five positions, and I guess we
kinda got it. Now we'll do an ad before or
after the and we could you want to do it now,
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we're into it. Let's just let's let's go, Let's go,
let's go, keep going. This is a good position battle.
I think Ohio State legitimately has nine starters on the
team right now for the offensive line. I'll say that again.
I think Ohio said is nine starters on the offensive line.
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And in years past, we've been doing the show for
ten years now, Kyle. In years past, it was like
three or four starters for five positions that we felt
good about. Oh I said, is like nine starters right now.
And even if I didn't say, no, nine starters, if
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I if I, if I've raised the bar a bit,
I would still say I'd say, you have three starting tackles,
two starting centers, and three starting guards. And that's me
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raising the bar a bit. I think center is the
most obvious here. You have Hinsman with Padilla Padilla rather
behind him. I think this is the least controversial spot
you can get on the offensive line right now.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I'll stick with the interior because I feel like it's
a little more set. I'll go left guard. Got Luke
Montgomery at left guard. I think that's pretty solid right now.
I got Gabe van Sickel who is making moves this
camp behind him. I don't think he's gonna unseat Montgomery,
but Van Sickle has been turning some turning some heads.
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I think uh starter in waiting in Van Seckel rights guard.
Uh Tigra is maybe one of the most veteran guys
on the team right now. I think it's his spot.
Could he get unseated in the next couple of weeks.
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I'm not gonna say no, but I would be surprised
if it happens. I have, now that being said, have
Philip Daniels behind him at right guard, and we're gonna
have to have that conversation that that's just a conversation
we're gonna have to have when when we get to
the tackles. Tager did so well in the playoffs. He did,
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and he is definitely a guy who we've all criticized
in the past too. So he's a guy who as
has grown a lot because he was definitely someone who
we rightfully criticized for for a long time left tackle.
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It was said on Monday during the rhyan DA press
conference that Austin Sarahveld is playing almost I forget the
exact phrase, but I think he said almost exclusively at
left tackle, which turned some heads. I don't this is
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not how I if we had done this last week,
this I would not have had Sarahveld at left tackle. Yeah,
I think I would have had Sarahveld at right tackle. Yep.
Behind him, you have Ian Moore, who is a starter
in waiting. I think he's just young right now. I
think is the biggest knock on Ian or it'll be
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in the conversation to start next year for sure. I
do think he's currently the fourth tackle on this team, though,
and that's that's not a knock because I think that
there are three big, ten quality starting tackles on this
team at right tackle I currently have. I currently have
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Ethan at right tackle starting, and I have Philip Daniels
behind him. I kind of just have Philip Daniels as
the sixth.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Guy period, the next man up.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I mean, obviously center is a little bit different. Center
can be a little bit different. So it's probably still
Padilla coming in at center if anything should happen there.
But I think otherwise, if there's an injury, and they
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might have to shuffle some stuff around because maybe you
want to you you want to look Daniels. You know,
it's sort of like, well, who's a better tackle versus
who's a better guard. If say Tiger goes down, you know,
maybe you bump Ethan inside and let Daniels take over
at right tackle. Maybe you just bump Daniels right into
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right guard if something happens to Tegra, you know, I
think that's what I think that's a lot of what
they're still trying to figure out right now is like
who plays well out of position. I think that's one
of the reasons why if you look at a lot
of the news coming out of camp right now, that
there's a ton of like, well, this guy's playing here,
and this guy's playing there, and that guy's playing over here.
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I think that they're just trying to figure that stuff out,
which they did that last year too, and it kind
of worked out when you had to bump your left
guard out the tackle.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, So having that information and maybe it feels wasteful.
Maybe if you're kind of old school like me, you're like, no,
build solidarity, get everyone in their spots and and leave
them there and build chemistry and YadA YadA YadA. Seeing
who played well where served them pretty damn well last
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year when when it was needed. So you're a dude,
and you know, as I said, I would have I'd
have Ethan and Austin swapped if we did the show
last week.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Kind of kind of how I was.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I was thinking, as well, havn't Ethan left and Austin right?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I think another name.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't think he's gonna I don't think he's gonna
sniff up here and like steal a starting starting role here.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
But uh, carter Low.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I think it could be like maybe that third third
left tackle.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Maybe I shit you not, Kyle carter Low would be
in the conversation for starting last year or two years ago.
That's it. Like, I think he would be in the
conversation for a starting spot if the if the offensive
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line room was as shallow as it was the past
few years.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The only reason why carter Low is not currently in
the too deep is because the room is is so deep.
It's not a comment on him. And along and along
those same lines, Austin asks the question, any comment on
some people saying Ethan has been lackluster? It's not that
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m I haven't heard that well, because I think there's
a lot of people who were like, well, he's gonna
be the left tackle, and then it's like, well, he's
not gonna be the left tackle, he's gonna be the
right tackle. And then some people are like, well, well
Philip Daniels might be the right tackle. So maybe Ethan
isn't so people. Maybe one we might be reading, we
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might be reading too much into like the news coming
out of camp, and we might be reading it as
a negative of like even getting dropped down the board. Sure,
but it's not people, it's not that. It is just legitimately,
you have three starting tackles on this team and they're
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just trying to figure out how to slot three guys
into two slots.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
If you want a tenth name here, just because Jared
has Philip Daniels on here, I think maybe maybe you
could put in, like, uh, Jake Cook at right ard
you could as a name as well.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't, I don't. I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Okay, I mean, all right, we'll go ahead and we'll
go ahead and take of doing it.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I'll do it. But no, I I I I think
these are this is a good I get what you're saying, Austin,
because especially in regards to the offensive line. We've had
a lot of those bad position battles recently. This this
is a this is a glod position battle. This is
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you have too many damn starters. That's what's happening right now.
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back to talk about the defense.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
All right, talking about the defense now, Kyle.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Defense, I will say I'm giving away the game.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Hold on you are you are?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Geez? Good job, Jared, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Defense here, defense here is I'd say like ninety percent
of the positions are just stacked and loaded.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, absolutely, you know you say ninety percent like that.
It's the tackles. It's the defensive tackles that we're worried
about right now.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Also, this even though last year's defense number one in
the nation, Like, how can you live up to that?
At how can you, how can you do that? How
can you get that much better? And yeah, I agree
with Austin here it says defense could be more talented
than last year's team. Yeah, that's the scary part. Like
they have the talent. You look at all the names
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that we're about to excuse me, all the names that
we're about to mention here. Just a lot of experience
and a lot of experience, a lot of a lot
of no names already or even players who had weren't
starting last year but played a lot as well too.
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And that's really helped out for what this defense can
do this year.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Absolutely, where do you want to start?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Well, let's do Let's start with the let's start with
these safeties here. Obviously, Caleb Downs, Ah, Caleb Downs is
your one of your safeties there, and yeah, and Malik
Hert Hartford is your other one. I feel pretty confident
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in both of those.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, And I have Hartford and McClain at like, okay, realistically,
hold on realistically and no offense. But it's it's this
is is more? Is more accurate. There's been talk of
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Caleb playing the nickel, well.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
It's been talk of Caleb playing everywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
About that, I may have also made but we'll come
back to that later. Hold on a quick peak. There's
another quick peak, okay, but we'll come back to that later.
We'll talk about that later, Austoin. But yeah, you have okay,
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once again, you have three startings. These in two safety positions.
You will see I think Malie Cartford is probably going
to be like the starter, and but you'll see plenty
of Jalen MacLean, especially if, as Austin was saying, they
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just sort of give Caleb Downs. You know, you call
it a nickel if you want to call it a nickel,
call it a whatever you want to call it, but
just sort of like the ability to roam the field
and do whatever the hell he wants because he's got
that kind of football IQ. He's just a smart guy
who understands the field and he's got the speed and
the agility to get anywhere. Call the position, whatever you
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want to call the position, it's entirely possible. And I
did also make that depth chart that you see Hartford
and McLay is your two starting safeties, and then Downs
is just also on the field doing something which he
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did that a few times last year too. Yeah, absolutely,
corners yeah, yep, corners, Iggy, Iggy, Matthews right, absolutely. Maybe
more interesting is who's going to back them up? Because
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it is it is Iggy and Matthews. Mm hmm. I said,
right now, I have Adam Scott backing up Iggy, I
have Sanchez backing up Matthews. And I also say I
did I put zero thought into who went behind.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
To I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I don't know that it actually matters that much. I
quite frankly don't know how under the new defensive coordinator.
You know, are they boundary? Are they you know? I'm
not a hundred percent sure. I'd love to see Sanchez
take a step and force one of those into the
slot in three cornerback sets. My understanding as of right now,
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the slot corner is is still your your your elder
Styles brother, Lorenzo Styles Junior, and you probably have Aaron
Scott backing him up at that spot or excuse me,
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not Aaron Scott uh blanking other second, your quarner corner
back from Ohio. Someone helped me words hard, Bryce West, Yes, yes, yes, yes,
So if you're talking specifically a slot corner, I would
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say it's probably those two in that order at least
for an hour, I Austin. I know he's had his struggles.
I know he's had his struggles, Lorenzo Styles Junior. But
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he's swapping positions. We saw him, you know, swapping positions.
And there's value in having veterans in the lineup and
and and for what it's worth, I don't get he's
not a starter. You want me to compare him. That's
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that's not true. And even if that was true, they
don't have to start him to make anyone happy. Quite frankly, like,
even if what you said is true, that doesn't mean
he has to start. But I don't think that's true.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
All right, so Iggy Matthews and then yeah, I think
I think Scott and Sanchez backup is our prediction. I
think I think it's fine. I think it's fine there.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And again I don't I don't have the slot corner
on the field, but I think it's Styles in Bryce West.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, all right, Uh linebackers, I think your your two
two main linebackers is going to be Sonny and Uh
and Reese.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, r Vill Reese, Sonny Styles and Peyton Pierce. If
they go three linebackers, and I don't know, I don't
know if there even even is a base formation for
a High States defense right now, quite frankly, and maybe
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that base defense is actually this defense with the nickel.
I don't know. I don't know, but right now, I
just wanted to look at things as the four to three.
We'll treat that as the base. Perhaps you take Peyton
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Pierce off the field, and you you know, I think
we talked about this last year, where there's like ten
starters and then you have like that flex position. Sometimes
you bring in a third safety, sometimes you bring in
a third corner, sometimes you bring in a third linebacker.
And that's a good thing. And I think it's good
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to have multiple sets and multiple positioned groups. I think
it's situational, which is good. Yeah, absolutely awesome. So yeah,
it's like you have your two corners, your two safety,
your two linebackers. You're four defensive linemen, and then you
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have this eleventh spot, which might just be Caleb Downs
doing whatever the hell he wants. It might be Peyton Pierce,
you know, it might be a a nickel corner, whether
that be Lorenzo Styles or Bryce West in that role.
(37:27):
You know, so you kind of just have this eleventh
spot and and that's that's fine, that's good even. But yeah,
I would say style styles, Reese and Pierce are are
three starters. I do think it's do you think it's
primarily recent styles? When they're in two linebackers, it's going
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to be recent styles. But but Peyton Pierce is in
that conversation. For sure, it could be a CJ. Hicks
as the jack. We'll find only see the jack. We're
not going to finally see the jack. But by the way,
it might be a fifth rusher. Of course, in my mind,
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that fifth rusher is probably not coming. It's probably at
the expense of a linebacker and not like the the
eleventh position. It's probably in those situations going to be
a defensive back taking over that eleventh position and one
of the linebackers just either sunny style is just going
up on the edge by just just being Sunny styles
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up on the edge, or maybe potentially as you as
you said, replaced by uh, maybe it wouldn't be styles
being replaced quite frankly, probably be Reese with C. J.
Hicks or you know, an additional edge rusher with his
hand in the proverbial dirt. We call it a penny front.
Jared thank you.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Right, the defensive sloms here.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I think the obvious ones of the your tackles here
with Caden McDonald and Edric Houston as your starters, but
because of the the injury, with Houston a lot more,
he's more of the backup guys are getting more more
experience in there as well during camp. But yeah, depth,
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depth in the tackles is a little eh right now.
And that's why I said at the beginning of talking
about the defense here that of this defense is like
is like really good and solid, like deep? Yeah, this
is where that ten percent is here. It's it's the tackles.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I'd question your math because it's too out of eleven.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Don't don't don't.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Let me just move on.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, listen, you're always ripping on me for not being
able to do math on the podcast. I thought i'd.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Return the favor.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Are you Are you pulling up a calculator right now?
A right? Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And then it's eighteen percent?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Jared, I knew you were pulling up a calculator. He
wasn't doing math, he was asking his calculator to do math. Yeah,
I think Caiden McDonald, Cad McDonald's you're starting nose tackle, Edrickuster,
Edric Houston is your starting three tech. Right now, it's
starting to look like Will Smith Junior is the second
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three tech and nose tackle. You have a battle between
Malone and More as to who's going to be that
backup nose tackle. I talked a lot about how they
are good position battles and bad position battles. I think
the not the You have two starting defensive tackles and
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then you have some bad position battles going on behind
them to figure out who's going to be in the
two deep. Quite frankly, I think, is what's happening right now.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Becaule, you want to talk about stacked, You want to
talk about being absolutely stacked. Edge rushers go crazy right now.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Edge rushers go crazy.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I didn't even put logan George on here, like it's
it's actually yeah, it's I'm shocked. I'm shocked that I
don't have Katon Curry as a starter at the moment.
I think Cayden Curry's fantastic. I think he's absolutely fantastic,
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and I don't have him as as a starter right
now because they picked up bo Adkinson out of the
transfer portal. And and by the way across the other
side of the field, I of Kenyatta Jackson with CJ.
Hicks backing him up. Those are both start All four
of those guys are starters. All four of those guys
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are starters.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
They're gonna, they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
If people don't know these defensive ends names right now,
they're they're going too soon. They're going too soon. Just
like everybody everybody knew j T and Captain jack people are.
People are going to know Atkinson, They're gonna know Curry,
They're gonna know Kenyana Jackson. See, I think I think
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there's a good handful of people that know about c J.
Hicks already, but more people are gonna know about c J.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Hicks as well.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, and and Austin makes a good point. He says
there's a good chance Kayden Curry plays the early downs
and bo plays on passing downs, same with Kenyata and CJ. Well,
here's the thing about out that, Austin, it might not
just be that, Because it might not just be that,
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you know, Kayden Curry and Kenyata Jackson leave the field
on obvious passing downs. It might be that they become
the defensive tackles and obvious passing downs. Yes, and that
is what you call a rushman package. Don't get me
a hot and bothered listen. Aside from I think Edward
(43:34):
Houston is a pass rusher, it can be a He's
a guy can play as a is a defensive tackle
pass rusher. I think Kayden Curry can't, or excuse me,
Kayden McDonald can as well. But I don't think you
have like I don't think you have like a you know,
(43:59):
have an nose tackle who's going to get at the
quarterback on this team. Edward Houston will see and and
I think he I think he can and he could.
But if you're trying to get your defensive tackles off
the field because you don't have a lot of good
depth at defensive tackle and you're trying to get those
guys some breathing room, it might just be a good
(44:23):
rotational tactic to get them off the field and obvious
passing downs so that they're ready for the running downs.
That's a way you can rotate your defensive tackles without
rotating your defensive tackles. Hicks, Curry, Houston, Kenyatta and bow
(44:43):
a penny front. I think that works. Yeah, Sonny in
the middle, Iggy Sanchez downs, Hartford Matthews.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
I forgot how big McDonald was or is.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, he's a big boy.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
As a it has a big boy to try to
try to make a gap from Yeah sixth for those
that don't know, six three three twenty six per per
the Oaste Athletics page.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, dude's huge.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
He eating gaps.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, and for what it's worth, I do think Edward
Houston is a it could be a good pass rusher.
I mean it's obviously yeah, scene.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
But.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
When it lost my train of thought, Oh, Edward Houston
was recruited as a defensive end. It was always known
that he was going to be kind of a tweeener
that that was known coming in. He would make a
perfect defensive end in a defensive three four you know
(46:01):
who should he go on to the next level, you know,
he would be perfect in like the you know Steelers,
like he could be very Cam Heyward esque. I think,
is you know what you're shooting for if you're Ederick Houston. Yeah,
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any additional thoughts, concerns questions on the defense.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
No, I I do agree with this.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
I think I feel a lot more. I feel a
lot more confident just because the whole offensive line is
you can throw you can throw players around, just because
of how many how many starters there there really are
on the offensive line. But I feel that I feel
the defense is a lot more solidified.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
But man, I feel I feel it's just so so
good about the defense this year. Not not saying the
offense isn't gonna gonna do well or anything like that,
but but the defense, Man, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I have a few more points. But Kyle, you want
to take us to another ad break first after you
take a quick off or whatever.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, sorry, I'm trying trying to get over whatever this.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Don't don't apologize for involuntary human actions, Kyle.
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Speaker 1 (48:48):
Hey doing Kyle, Kyle's struggled. I am struggling, man, Kyle,
who's the block out?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And don't I didn't even I wasn't even thinking.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I know, I I dropped that on you everyone, because
here's the thing. I feel like that's been a topic
of conversations a lot during our pre seasons, but we
haven't really done it a lot this year because we
all just assume it's going to be Sunny Styles, and
I think it will be Sunny Styles, but if it isn't,
(49:32):
If it's not Sunny Styles, Kyle, who is it? And
I'm asking the chat too, I want I want the
Chat's opinion on this. It is not.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I mean, he's pretty much the lockdown. I'm looking through
the I'm looking through the list. Who else, who else.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Wouldn't be I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I'm trying to figure out, Kyle, if it would help
you or hurt you if I gave you an answer,
because I'd be taking that answer off the board.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Let me let me let me look at let me
look at the seat, Let me look at the the
upper classmen here.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
Let me look at the upper classmen.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Okay, that's the question. Who's the block Oh and you're
not allowed to say sunny styles. That's the question because
I think we all, I think we all think it's
gonna be sunny styles.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
I have kind of an so some I think some
of the veteran ones. Uh you could put Curry Hicks
uh huh.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Styles the other styles?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, who's actually?
Speaker 3 (50:45):
How about how about how about a corner?
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Jared mhm?
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Would could you could you ever give a transfer the
blockout that I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not
I'm asking the question. I am I am. I am
simply asking questions. Kyle Transfer is getting it would be Caleb.
(51:21):
Caleb's not a senior, although we all it's been a
senior every single time, and yes, we all acknowledge that
this is his last season at Ohio State. Like, I
don't think there's any chance in hell, any chance in
hell he's coming back for a third year, fourth year
in total. But they've always given it to a senior.
(51:47):
They've always given it to a final year player. I
should say, uh literally a safety. And people have said
he's the number one prospect in the draft and we'll
go top five. I know zero chance in Helly's coming back,
but they've never given it to someone who has the
eligibility to return. Now, could they give it to JJ
(52:12):
next year? Maybe it's possible. I won't deny it, all right, Kyle,
how do you feel about Carson Hinzman. I think that's
where I go if I have to go. I think
(52:32):
he's a guy who has started a lot for Ohio State.
I think he was a guy who was in the
doghouse at Ohio State for a bit due to some
things he said publicly after his freshman year. He's a
guy who worked his way out of the doghouse. He's
a guy who has played guard, played center, He's moved
(52:54):
around it won't even be sunny. Austin thinks he's onto something.
Sonny loves six too much, and you have to take
the block out if it's given to you though right now,
of course, if Hensman gets it, it would be a
patch oh, because you're not allowed to weigh zero on
(53:15):
the offensive line. But we've seen that, we've seen that
happen before aid Off. It could be David Adolph. They've
kind of they've given it to the they've given I
mean kind of the way the same way X got it.
But the thing is that X was gonna be a
(53:37):
member of Like, I don't know how much Aidof gets
on the field, and X was always going to get
on the field even as a former walk on. Yeah,
Adolf is the seventh receiver. Yeah, what the third or
fourth wide receiver?
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Again, this is since this is the year the tight ends.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
Let's give it to Let's give it to U.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Let's give it to either Christian or Kakamir, both fourth
and fifth year seniors.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Kick Merrick's a transfer. I'll believe it when I see it,
And you know, maybe maybe Iggy because this is now
his third year to Ohio State, like he even though
he's a transfer. It doesn't quite feel as he is
(54:37):
this third year to Ohio State. I don't hintsman didn't
play for Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I don't care where they're from. They chose to come here.
You don't get to choose where you're born. You do
get to choose where you go to college, especially when
you have options like these guys have options.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
I think it is this week. I think, I think
I think it's going to be announced this week. Jared
of who's going to get block? Oh I, if I
remember correctly, it has has to be announced this week.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, the bloco is almost always an Ohio kid. I
don't think that's true. I I don't have those I
don't have it in front of me to look. But
I don't think that's true. Yeah, I again, I don't.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
Do you get do.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
You guys know where Cody Simon's from? Where's Cody Simon's from?
He's he's a New Jersey kid.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Well there's one you want to roll down the list? Kyle.
I think I think sun Gard was just gonna be like,
they're gonna call me out on this. I think he
was just going to try and roll into that answer
with confidence and just assume we weren't gonna call him
out on it. It almost worked. No, it didn't. I
(56:16):
do respect it, though I do respect I do respect it.
So Jonathan Cooper, Sun Card, you've had a couple takes
that you truly believe that ended up being terrible. To
be fair, you are very face blind.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
As an example, Jonathan Cooper, Where was Jonathan Cooper?
Speaker 1 (56:44):
No one's arguing you don't go hard in the paint,
sun Card. That's why we love you. But going hard
in the paint isn't the same as, you know, actually
putting it in the bucket. Jonathan Cooper was from Ohio.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
Yes, he was from.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Ol In Tangy Orange. Actually, for some reason, I actually
know the high school ol In Tangy Orange mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (57:13):
And then and then it was their Munford. He was
the one that couldn't wear zero.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, where was he? Where's I don't remember where Thayer's from.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
He's from Cincinnati, Okay.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
See Austin is at least kind of onto something.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
Here, Okay, Cameron Bob, Bob's from where leveland right, he's
from Columbus.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Columbus since he is almost Ohio is maybe the funniest
thing you've ever said in this discord service on card
since he is almost Ohio is a banger sentence?
Speaker 3 (57:55):
And where was X from?
Speaker 4 (57:57):
And where was X?
Speaker 1 (57:58):
I don't I think Ohio. I'm almost certain Ohio. I don't.
I don't know where he was a walk on? You
know that's true. That does add credibility that he's Yeah,
that's good point. Awesome he is from Yeah.
Speaker 4 (58:35):
I get I guess. Yeah. I was just trying to
just double check it.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
It does say he is from Cincinnati, Okay, I was
just I was just double just double checking.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
I mean, I was given us or I was giving
some card crap. But there was at least some merit
to this.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
There was at least some merit to it, although the
it did get busted last year.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, interesting because there was from Ohio state page.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
Here.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
I'm trying to figure out who the second one is
says this. It was an article from a year ago. Uh,
Cody Simon, a Jersey City, New Jersey native, who is
the second non Ohioan to wear a block.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Oh uh, And.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
I'm like Cameron, but but we just went through all
of them. Sun Card says wasn't bobbed from Cincinnati or
excuse me, Saint Louis. I have Cincinnati on the brain.
Speaker 4 (59:41):
Now, uh let me let me look.
Speaker 3 (59:44):
Oh yeah, no, you're right, yep, it is Saint Louis.
Speaker 4 (59:47):
Okay, that's the other one.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
All right, there you go. So, I mean there's only
some merit to it. That selection. We'll just call that
Kyle Squarer. There's a bit of selection bias there because
like what somewhere between a third and a half of
the players on the team or from Ohio. So there's
a little bit of a you know, all right, are
(01:00:15):
we we're calling?
Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I do have one more? I do have one more?
Because this is interesting?
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Is this.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Preseason rankings Scott's crap and and you shouldn't We shouldn't
unless it's shouldn't care unless that episode. So in the
ap Ohio State is third, second in the coaches and
Texas is number one, So a one versus three matchup here. Currently,
(01:00:44):
Ohio State is a two and a half point favorite
over the Longhorns, which would be a first ever for
a preseason ranked number one team to be an underdog
in Week one.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
That's a fun factoid. I will point out out the
two and a half at home does mean that Texas
would be favored on a neutral yes, yep. For the record,
that that that would translate into, I think, depending upon
the book, either one or a either one and a
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half or half point for Texas if if it were
played on a neutral field.
Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Yep, I promise that was it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
That that's it, all right, that's it, Kyle. It was
announced this week that Ohio State will be doing new
I think it was actually last week, a new like
in stadium stuff, new new traditions, new routines, new YadA,
(01:01:59):
YadA YadA, aditional tradition evolved, tradition evolved, which is such
a marketing bullshit thing. We're evolving tradition. Oh so you're
changing it. No, we're evolving it. We aren't changing it,
We're evolving it. One of the things they said that
(01:02:21):
they were going to do was incorporate some like a
new playlist playing songs in the shoe. I actually really
wanted to do and thought about doing an episode where
I was like, Okay, here's the new third down song
and here's the new the kickoff song. Because as much
as I like the White Stripes, we do need to
acknowledge that they're from Michigan. And maybe we shouldn't have
(01:02:46):
maybe we should let seven Nation Army go. And I
thought about, like I thought about like mapping out the
whole thing. I think as an example, uh, I think
the third down song should be trees by by twenty
one pilots. I think that would go hard. I thought
about doing a whole episode where I mapped it out,
but I thought it was gonna be lame if I
(01:03:07):
did it, and I didn't actually do music drops, but
if I can't really do music drops on the show
because of YouTube, so I just decided not to do it.
But one of the and we don't know like the
full soundtrack yet, of the of like what all the
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changes are gonna be, they did say that they were
going to incorporate a song called Ohio from the band camp,
which is spelled with two a's for anyone trying to
google that at home. I decided I'm just gonna go
ahead and end the show with that today in case.
And of course, like once again, I can't play music
(01:03:47):
on YouTube, so that's only for gonna it's only gonna
be for the podcast listeners, only gonna be for the
audio listeners. But if you are watching on YouTube, I
will put a link like I always do. I always
end the show with music YouTube. People never hear you're
the music, but you can always go down into the
show notes and click the link to the music as
a as an alternative. So I thought, hey, let's just
(01:04:07):
play that song. And uh, in case you were like, hey,
what's this new song that they're gonna play at the
shoe now as a part of a new tradition, Well
you're about to hear it on on the on the
podcast side YouTube side link in the description. So, Kyle,
with all that being said, I'd like to encourage everyone
(01:04:28):
to drink local beer, listen to local music, and of
course port local podcasters. Uh. The name of this band
is camp Once again, name of this band is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
No Not Grow Up look Back.
Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Thanks on the.
Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Roll the Dice on the weekend conversation with a couple
of smoking cigarette I'm screwing my best never forget me too,
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Football and Tar Tree. You are a mad man, Simon.
Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
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Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Some thing's caplicating like your fast guess one of the
beaches in the seventh grade. Damn mens Boodie's memory shooting
shoot us down my spine.
Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Make him in the Madidons.
Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
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Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Should be well?
Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Who should be well? Do not go up, don't go back,
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and get the play in size
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Aden A Jared doing all right, you're doing, my friend, nutradition.
Good your days.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That's all I did. That's how I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I think we're all doing fine because we all we
all smell it, Jared.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
We all smells like smell smell football. Football is in
the air. Football is in the air. We've got fall camp,
we got We've got position battles to talk about. Man,
this is this is exciting times.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And I think not only do we have position battles stuck,
but I think we got some good position battles talk about.
And I'll explain what I mean by because sometimes sometimes
there are good position battles and sometimes there are bad
position battles. And I think I'll just explain what that means. Now,
(01:48):
there are good position battles. These are position battles where
you have multiple starters and you have more starters than
you have starting spots. Then there are a bad position
battles where you're just desperately looking for someone. There are
(02:09):
good position battles, and then there's twenty nineteen justin Fields
versus Chris Chughanov. Did they ever pretend that was a battle.
I don't remember. My memory doesn't go back that far anymore.
I don't remember anything before twenty twenty. Did they actually pretend? Okay,
I'll say this, and I know that there's consternation about this,
(02:32):
and I guess we can just sort of start the show.
As far as getting into the depth chart prediction of
it all, Yeah, I believe. I believe there is a
quarterback battle of sorts. And I know that's a controversial take.
(03:02):
And while I do feel very confident that saying ends
up winning said quarterback battle, I think that a lot
of the hype around Lincoln Keenholes is legitimate and if
(03:24):
Ohio State absolutely had to, and if Ohio State absolutely
had to, they could play with Lincoln and win football games.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I like what Austin said in the in the chat here, Jared,
I think I think there's a Julian You're you're winning,
so don't lose it, but you can lose it battle.
I think I think I think that kind of fits
fits a fits the bill right there. This is Julian
(03:55):
saying position here, but but he can ease, he can
easily lose it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Though, I'll say this, how about this, this would be
more of a quarterback battle. If this was still Urban
Meyer's football team, I think I think a lot of
the hype you hear from Lincoln or about Lincoln rather
(04:23):
is that he's really good at the read option, He's big,
he's powerful, all of these things. Yeah, exactly, Spikes, he'd
be in love with Link I think so too. That
being said, this is Ryan Day's football team, and I
(04:45):
think Julian saying is more the Ryan Day quarterback. Austin
said that Lincoln was always a stash and developed guy,
which is like, yeah, he played small high school ball.
There was always potential there. He was never going to
(05:06):
be a guy who won the job as a He's
from South Dakota, exactly. They don't have big high schools
in South Dakota. Maybe they do, I don't know, but
if they, regardless, I don't know anything about South Dkota.
Point is is that the level competition there was not high.
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He was never going to be a guy who competed
in his first or second year to start. He was
always going to be a developmental guy, even if he
was really talented, and he is. So it's not that
like Lincoln showed up out of nowhere and all of
a sudden, it's a good quarterback. No, this was always
his timeline. This was always his timeline. And again, if
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this was Urban Meyer's football team, I think this is
a very legitimate tight battle. But this is not Urban
Meyers football team, which is why I I think the
hype around I think the like the hype around Link
is legitimate. But one of these guys is a is
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a Ryan Day style quarterback and the other one is not.
Who is better at leading the team? I think that's
a great question, and I've and from what I've been hearing,
saying is getting more comfortable in that role, and I
think early in camp that that was not necessarily the case,
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and that that was certainly a missing piece and one
of the reasons why this battle was legitimate. And I
think that's something saying is going to have to continue
to get better at in order to be like the
formal winner of the battle. Then you have Saint Clair,
who has a brilliant future at Ohio State. But you know,
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Week one is Texas, So you gotta get the you
gotta get the player, you gotta get this year's guys, ready,
you do, absolutely, That's that's where we are with Saint Clair.
If I if this was a if this were a
opening season where your big bad off season or your
big bad out of conference team was Cal and you
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played it in Week three, maybe Saint Clair is getting
more reps during spring camp. But this is that's not
this season. Sure, so hopefully we don't see Saint Clair
for a year or two, because if we get to
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Saint Clair this season, it's it's it's it's bad. That's there.
There are bad circumstances that lead to that happening. And
but I do want to reiterate that I think he
has a brilliant future at Ohio State where you want
to go. What are you wanna talk about.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Next, Kyle, Let's do the running backs. We State lost
their pair of thousand yard rushers. Yeah, and income Income's talent,
still talent, but inexperienced running backs here?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, I think you have, but.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I mean you have you have the you have the
incoming transfer of C. J. Donaldson. So for me, you've
got you've got some experience there. We've seen we've seen
spurts of James people's from time to time last year
like what we've seen so far. And of course we've
got bo Jackson. And I'll just make the obvious joke.
(08:53):
With a name like that, you can't go wrong, right right, right.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And I don't have sam William Dixon on the graphic,
but he'll be utilized this year because he has a
unique skill set that you know, I don't necessarily know
that he gets a lot of he just goes by
(09:18):
Samuel Dixon. Now, oh, okay, you have Samuel Dixon. Now
I totally miss that, but he'll he'll get in in
probably more specialty type situations. But I do think that.
(09:40):
And there's Jackson apparently had a fantastic scrimmage. I guess
he was maybe sick during the first part of camp,
but he's better now and he's starting to make some waves.
And people are like, oh, could this be a three
running back rotation? And I'll say this, Ohio State doesn't
do a three running back rotation if everyone's healthy, just
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historically correct, it doesn't happen. Yep, I it does not happen.
When everyone's healthy, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
But I do agree with what you have there, Jared
change people's you're starting running back C. J. Donaldson and
then Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, And and I do think the two headed beast
will be People's in Donaldson, and we'll see Bo Jackson
like we saw People's last year in some late blowout
situations and and and whatever else Sonic and knuckles.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, all right, Yeah, we're going to want to do
I want to do the easy ones. Do the wide
receivers at least for the starters, at least, I.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I yeah, I would say, I have you know, for
the most part, I'm doing too deep. I know the
first two we pulled where I have three deep, but
the wide receivers are only too deep. Most of the
positions are only too deep. I feel very confident I
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have six, you know, I just opened up the three.
I hear that JJ guy might start right six wide
receivers up on the board right now. I feel totally
one hundred confident in my placement of five of them,
including who's starting and who's not and and all of that,
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including you know Nis with Graham behind Innis and the
slot you know, Smith and Tate as your starters on
the outside. I feel totally confident that Quincy Porter is
probably your guy behind Jeremiah Smith and I and I
currently have Bryson Rodgers is the guy behind Tate. I
feel good about that. But if someone wants to try
and talk me out of talk me out of Rogers
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being the guy behind behind Tate, I'd listen. But the
other five I feel are are rock solid.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, I can't really disagree with that. I think the
only maybe the other exception might be bobobkin Miller maybe,
but I do, but I do, but I do. I
think those six, I think those six.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Are I'd feel very confident.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Excuse me, oh, I feel well if you're very confident
about those six, Jared.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, Austin says Bodpin is a twenty twenty six two
deep guy, and I agree with that assessment. I would,
I agree. I think I think these are the six
guys and the six guys in these six positions, and
(13:02):
I think I think I'm gonna stick to that. Again,
those are your starters with Smith and Tate on the outside,
and this is the slot Porter behind Smith, Mile and
Graham behind Ennis and Bryson Rodgers behind Tate. I feel
good there.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
All right, let's let's finish up. Let's finish up with
the tight ends here.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Tight ends Kyle O High State might have the best
tight end room in the country. It's actually, is this
the year?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Is this the year?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Jared?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Ask it? Every year? Ask it every year?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Is this the year? Tight end? I want to point
out that we had a year of the tight end
only two seasons ago. Kate Stover deserves his flowers on
that we had the year of the tight End two
seasons ago. Pay Kate's over his due respects. That being said,
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I don't think Ohio States has ever had Max Clare
at tight end before. And I don't mean that literally,
They've never had mac Claire. I don't think they've ever
had someone like Max Claire at tight end before, not
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even just Claire. The room is so deep, oh I
one hundred percent kick Merrick has proven himself as a
totally reliable blocker and a guy who can make some
catches when needed. Same with Bennett Christian, a guy he
made a huge reception in the playoffs, primarily a blocker,
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but can absolutely you know, make catches when needed. Claire
is just all of it. Maybe not as good as
a blocker as the other two guys, but still, you
know is that guy and Thurman has been getting a
ton of buzz this camp. I mean, that's four deep
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four deep on the tight ends right now. I don't
even have Thurman up on the board right now. I
did not myself go four deep anywhere. The best tight
end room in the country, best tight end room Ohio
State has ever had. And I feel very confident in
saying both of those things, like I'm not even I'm
(15:34):
not going to hedge that, I'm not going to qualify that.
That's that's it. That's the entire sentence. I guess both
two entire sentences. Shut up, Jared, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Kyle?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, I think Claire Is is your starter. Kakamerica, You're
backup in Christian the third tight end there.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
So I agree with that. I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
And yet I still fully expect Thurman to get snaps
this year.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Crazy depends on how much running, how much running Coach
Day wants to do this year.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Well, and it's just it's just like all because everyone's oh,
you have all of these tight ends, and you're like,
oh my goodness, you have all these tight ends, So
what are we gonna start running this formation in that formation?
And are we going to see more two tight end sets?
And da da da, And like I have to explain
to people. You know, if you put an extra tight
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end on the field, you're taking Brennan Nis off the field, right,
Like two tight ends means one less wide receiver like
uh and and by the way, and no disrespect to
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James People's or CJ. Donaldson, who I think are gonna
have great years. But look at these wide receivers and
look at these tight ends. Look at these wide receivers
and look at these tight ends. This is why Sayan's
winning the job. Yeah, all right, this is not this
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is not J. T. Barrett's offense.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
All right, let's let's do the slobs.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Let's let's this is controversial. I tell you what, let
me I'm gonna do center. I don't think anyone's gonna
disagree with this. I think this one's there's there's I
said at the beginning of the show. There's good position
battles and there's bad position battles. And in years past
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when we talked about the offensive line, it was bad.
It was bad position battles. It was like we got
like three guys and five positions, and I guess we
kinda got it. Now we'll do an ad before or
after the and we could you want to do it now,
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we're into it. Let's just let's let's go, Let's go,
let's go, keep going. This is a good position battle.
I think Ohio State legitimately has nine starters on the
team right now for the offensive line. I'll say that again.
I think Ohio said is nine starters on the offensive line.
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And in years past, we've been doing the show for
ten years now, Kyle. In years past, it was like
three or four starters for five positions that we felt
good about. Oh I said, is like nine starters right now.
And even if I didn't say, no, nine starters, if
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I if I, if I've raised the bar a bit,
I would still say I'd say, you have three starting tackles,
two starting centers, and three starting guards. And that's me
(19:23):
raising the bar a bit. I think center is the
most obvious here. You have Hinsman with Padilla Padilla rather
behind him. I think this is the least controversial spot
you can get on the offensive line right now.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I'll stick with the interior because I feel like it's
a little more set. I'll go left guard. Got Luke
Montgomery at left guard. I think that's pretty solid right now.
I got Gabe van Sickel who is making moves this
camp behind him. I don't think he's gonna unseat Montgomery,
but Van Sickle has been turning some turning some heads.
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I think uh starter in waiting in Van Seckel rights guard.
Uh Tigra is maybe one of the most veteran guys
on the team right now. I think it's his spot.
Could he get unseated in the next couple of weeks.
(20:30):
I'm not gonna say no, but I would be surprised
if it happens. I have, now that being said, have
Philip Daniels behind him at right guard, and we're gonna
have to have that conversation that that's just a conversation
we're gonna have to have when when we get to
the tackles. Tager did so well in the playoffs. He did,
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and he is definitely a guy who we've all criticized
in the past too. So he's a guy who as
has grown a lot because he was definitely someone who
we rightfully criticized for for a long time left tackle.
(21:16):
It was said on Monday during the rhyan DA press
conference that Austin Sarahveld is playing almost I forget the
exact phrase, but I think he said almost exclusively at
left tackle, which turned some heads. I don't this is
(21:38):
not how I if we had done this last week,
this I would not have had Sarahveld at left tackle. Yeah,
I think I would have had Sarahveld at right tackle. Yep.
Behind him, you have Ian Moore, who is a starter
in waiting. I think he's just young right now. I
think is the biggest knock on Ian or it'll be
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in the conversation to start next year for sure. I
do think he's currently the fourth tackle on this team, though,
and that's that's not a knock because I think that
there are three big, ten quality starting tackles on this
team at right tackle I currently have. I currently have
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Ethan at right tackle starting, and I have Philip Daniels
behind him. I kind of just have Philip Daniels as
the sixth.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Guy period, the next man up.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I mean, obviously center is a little bit different. Center
can be a little bit different. So it's probably still
Padilla coming in at center if anything should happen there.
But I think otherwise, if there's an injury, and they
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might have to shuffle some stuff around because maybe you
want to you you want to look Daniels. You know,
it's sort of like, well, who's a better tackle versus
who's a better guard. If say Tiger goes down, you know,
maybe you bump Ethan inside and let Daniels take over
at right tackle. Maybe you just bump Daniels right into
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right guard if something happens to Tegra, you know, I
think that's what I think that's a lot of what
they're still trying to figure out right now is like
who plays well out of position. I think that's one
of the reasons why if you look at a lot
of the news coming out of camp right now, that
there's a ton of like, well, this guy's playing here,
and this guy's playing there, and that guy's playing over here.
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I think that they're just trying to figure that stuff out,
which they did that last year too, and it kind
of worked out when you had to bump your left
guard out the tackle.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, So having that information and maybe it feels wasteful.
Maybe if you're kind of old school like me, you're like, no,
build solidarity, get everyone in their spots and and leave
them there and build chemistry and YadA YadA YadA. Seeing
who played well where served them pretty damn well last
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year when when it was needed. So you're a dude,
and you know, as I said, I would have I'd
have Ethan and Austin swapped if we did the show
last week.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Kind of kind of how I was.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I was thinking, as well, havn't Ethan left and Austin right?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I think another name.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't think he's gonna I don't think he's gonna
sniff up here and like steal a starting starting role here.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
But uh, carter Low.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I think it could be like maybe that third third
left tackle.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Maybe I shit you not, Kyle carter Low would be
in the conversation for starting last year or two years ago.
That's it. Like, I think he would be in the
conversation for a starting spot if the if the offensive
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line room was as shallow as it was the past
few years.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The only reason why carter Low is not currently in
the too deep is because the room is is so deep.
It's not a comment on him. And along and along
those same lines, Austin asks the question, any comment on
some people saying Ethan has been lackluster? It's not that
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m I haven't heard that well, because I think there's
a lot of people who were like, well, he's gonna
be the left tackle, and then it's like, well, he's
not gonna be the left tackle, he's gonna be the
right tackle. And then some people are like, well, well
Philip Daniels might be the right tackle. So maybe Ethan
isn't so people. Maybe one we might be reading, we
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might be reading too much into like the news coming
out of camp, and we might be reading it as
a negative of like even getting dropped down the board. Sure,
but it's not people, it's not that. It is just legitimately,
you have three starting tackles on this team and they're
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just trying to figure out how to slot three guys
into two slots.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
If you want a tenth name here, just because Jared
has Philip Daniels on here, I think maybe maybe you
could put in, like, uh, Jake Cook at right ard
you could as a name as well.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't, I don't. I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Okay, I mean, all right, we'll go ahead and we'll
go ahead and take of doing it.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I'll do it. But no, I I I I think
these are this is a good I get what you're saying, Austin,
because especially in regards to the offensive line. We've had
a lot of those bad position battles recently. This this
is a this is a glod position battle. This is
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you have too many damn starters. That's what's happening right now.
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I'm going to take that first ad break and be
back to talk about the defense.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
All right, talking about the defense now, Kyle.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Defense, I will say I'm giving away the game.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Hold on you are you are?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Geez? Good job, Jared, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Defense here, defense here is I'd say like ninety percent
of the positions are just stacked and loaded.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, absolutely, you know you say ninety percent like that.
It's the tackles. It's the defensive tackles that we're worried
about right now.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Also, this even though last year's defense number one in
the nation, Like, how can you live up to that?
At how can you, how can you do that? How
can you get that much better? And yeah, I agree
with Austin here it says defense could be more talented
than last year's team. Yeah, that's the scary part. Like
they have the talent. You look at all the names
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that we're about to excuse me, all the names that
we're about to mention here. Just a lot of experience
and a lot of experience, a lot of a lot
of no names already or even players who had weren't
starting last year but played a lot as well too.
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And that's really helped out for what this defense can
do this year.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Absolutely, where do you want to start?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Well, let's do Let's start with the let's start with
these safeties here. Obviously, Caleb Downs, Ah, Caleb Downs is
your one of your safeties there, and yeah, and Malik
Hert Hartford is your other one. I feel pretty confident
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in both of those.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, And I have Hartford and McClain at like, okay, realistically,
hold on realistically and no offense. But it's it's this
is is more? Is more accurate. There's been talk of
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Caleb playing the nickel, well.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
It's been talk of Caleb playing everywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
About that, I may have also made but we'll come
back to that later. Hold on a quick peak. There's
another quick peak, okay, but we'll come back to that later.
We'll talk about that later, Austoin. But yeah, you have okay,
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once again, you have three startings. These in two safety positions.
You will see I think Malie Cartford is probably going
to be like the starter, and but you'll see plenty
of Jalen MacLean, especially if, as Austin was saying, they
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just sort of give Caleb Downs. You know, you call
it a nickel if you want to call it a nickel,
call it a whatever you want to call it, but
just sort of like the ability to roam the field
and do whatever the hell he wants because he's got
that kind of football IQ. He's just a smart guy
who understands the field and he's got the speed and
the agility to get anywhere. Call the position, whatever you
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want to call the position, it's entirely possible. And I
did also make that depth chart that you see Hartford
and McLay is your two starting safeties, and then Downs
is just also on the field doing something which he
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did that a few times last year too. Yeah, absolutely,
corners yeah, yep, corners, Iggy, Iggy, Matthews right, absolutely. Maybe
more interesting is who's going to back them up? Because
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it is it is Iggy and Matthews. Mm hmm. I said,
right now, I have Adam Scott backing up Iggy, I
have Sanchez backing up Matthews. And I also say I
did I put zero thought into who went behind.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
To I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I don't know that it actually matters that much. I
quite frankly don't know how under the new defensive coordinator.
You know, are they boundary? Are they you know? I'm
not a hundred percent sure. I'd love to see Sanchez
take a step and force one of those into the
slot in three cornerback sets. My understanding as of right now,
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the slot corner is is still your your your elder
Styles brother, Lorenzo Styles Junior, and you probably have Aaron
Scott backing him up at that spot or excuse me,
(33:34):
not Aaron Scott uh blanking other second, your quarner corner
back from Ohio. Someone helped me words hard, Bryce West, Yes, yes, yes, yes,
So if you're talking specifically a slot corner, I would
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say it's probably those two in that order at least
for an hour, I Austin. I know he's had his struggles.
I know he's had his struggles, Lorenzo Styles Junior. But
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he's swapping positions. We saw him, you know, swapping positions.
And there's value in having veterans in the lineup and
and and for what it's worth, I don't get he's
not a starter. You want me to compare him. That's
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that's not true. And even if that was true, they
don't have to start him to make anyone happy. Quite frankly, like,
even if what you said is true, that doesn't mean
he has to start. But I don't think that's true.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
All right, so Iggy Matthews and then yeah, I think
I think Scott and Sanchez backup is our prediction. I
think I think it's fine. I think it's fine there.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And again I don't I don't have the slot corner
on the field, but I think it's Styles in Bryce West.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, all right, Uh linebackers, I think your your two
two main linebackers is going to be Sonny and Uh
and Reese.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, r Vill Reese, Sonny Styles and Peyton Pierce. If
they go three linebackers, and I don't know, I don't
know if there even even is a base formation for
a High States defense right now, quite frankly, and maybe
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that base defense is actually this defense with the nickel.
I don't know. I don't know, but right now, I
just wanted to look at things as the four to three.
We'll treat that as the base. Perhaps you take Peyton
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Pierce off the field, and you you know, I think
we talked about this last year, where there's like ten
starters and then you have like that flex position. Sometimes
you bring in a third safety, sometimes you bring in
a third corner, sometimes you bring in a third linebacker.
And that's a good thing. And I think it's good
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to have multiple sets and multiple positioned groups. I think
it's situational, which is good. Yeah, absolutely awesome. So yeah,
it's like you have your two corners, your two safety,
your two linebackers. You're four defensive linemen, and then you
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have this eleventh spot, which might just be Caleb Downs
doing whatever the hell he wants. It might be Peyton Pierce,
you know, it might be a a nickel corner, whether
that be Lorenzo Styles or Bryce West in that role.
(37:27):
You know, so you kind of just have this eleventh
spot and and that's that's fine, that's good even. But yeah,
I would say style styles, Reese and Pierce are are
three starters. I do think it's do you think it's
primarily recent styles? When they're in two linebackers, it's going
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to be recent styles. But but Peyton Pierce is in
that conversation. For sure, it could be a CJ. Hicks
as the jack. We'll find only see the jack. We're
not going to finally see the jack. But by the way,
it might be a fifth rusher. Of course, in my mind,
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that fifth rusher is probably not coming. It's probably at
the expense of a linebacker and not like the the
eleventh position. It's probably in those situations going to be
a defensive back taking over that eleventh position and one
of the linebackers just either sunny style is just going
up on the edge by just just being Sunny styles
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up on the edge, or maybe potentially as you as
you said, replaced by uh, maybe it wouldn't be styles
being replaced quite frankly, probably be Reese with C. J.
Hicks or you know, an additional edge rusher with his
hand in the proverbial dirt. We call it a penny front.
Jared thank you.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Right, the defensive sloms here.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I think the obvious ones of the your tackles here
with Caden McDonald and Edric Houston as your starters, but
because of the the injury, with Houston a lot more,
he's more of the backup guys are getting more more
experience in there as well during camp. But yeah, depth,
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depth in the tackles is a little eh right now.
And that's why I said at the beginning of talking
about the defense here that of this defense is like
is like really good and solid, like deep? Yeah, this
is where that ten percent is here. It's it's the tackles.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I'd question your math because it's too out of eleven.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Don't don't don't.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Let me just move on.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, listen, you're always ripping on me for not being
able to do math on the podcast. I thought i'd.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Return the favor.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Are you Are you pulling up a calculator right now?
A right? Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And then it's eighteen percent?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Jared, I knew you were pulling up a calculator. He
wasn't doing math, he was asking his calculator to do math. Yeah,
I think Caiden McDonald, Cad McDonald's you're starting nose tackle, Edrickuster,
Edric Houston is your starting three tech. Right now, it's
starting to look like Will Smith Junior is the second
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three tech and nose tackle. You have a battle between
Malone and More as to who's going to be that
backup nose tackle. I talked a lot about how they
are good position battles and bad position battles. I think
the not the You have two starting defensive tackles and
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then you have some bad position battles going on behind
them to figure out who's going to be in the
two deep. Quite frankly, I think, is what's happening right now.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Becaule, you want to talk about stacked, You want to
talk about being absolutely stacked. Edge rushers go crazy right now.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Edge rushers go crazy.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I didn't even put logan George on here, like it's
it's actually yeah, it's I'm shocked. I'm shocked that I
don't have Katon Curry as a starter at the moment.
I think Cayden Curry's fantastic. I think he's absolutely fantastic,
(41:44):
and I don't have him as as a starter right
now because they picked up bo Adkinson out of the
transfer portal. And and by the way across the other
side of the field, I of Kenyatta Jackson with CJ.
Hicks backing him up. Those are both start All four
of those guys are starters. All four of those guys
(42:07):
are starters.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
They're gonna, they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
If people don't know these defensive ends names right now,
they're they're going too soon. They're going too soon. Just
like everybody everybody knew j T and Captain jack people are.
People are going to know Atkinson, They're gonna know Curry,
They're gonna know Kenyana Jackson. See, I think I think
(42:32):
there's a good handful of people that know about c J.
Hicks already, but more people are gonna know about c J.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Hicks as well.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, and and Austin makes a good point. He says
there's a good chance Kayden Curry plays the early downs
and bo plays on passing downs, same with Kenyata and CJ. Well,
here's the thing about out that, Austin, it might not
just be that, Because it might not just be that,
(43:07):
you know, Kayden Curry and Kenyata Jackson leave the field
on obvious passing downs. It might be that they become
the defensive tackles and obvious passing downs. Yes, and that
is what you call a rushman package. Don't get me
a hot and bothered listen. Aside from I think Edward
(43:34):
Houston is a pass rusher, it can be a He's
a guy can play as a is a defensive tackle
pass rusher. I think Kayden Curry can't, or excuse me,
Kayden McDonald can as well. But I don't think you
have like I don't think you have like a you know,
(43:59):
have an nose tackle who's going to get at the
quarterback on this team. Edward Houston will see and and
I think he I think he can and he could.
But if you're trying to get your defensive tackles off
the field because you don't have a lot of good
depth at defensive tackle and you're trying to get those
guys some breathing room, it might just be a good
(44:23):
rotational tactic to get them off the field and obvious
passing downs so that they're ready for the running downs.
That's a way you can rotate your defensive tackles without
rotating your defensive tackles. Hicks, Curry, Houston, Kenyatta and bow
(44:43):
a penny front. I think that works. Yeah, Sonny in
the middle, Iggy Sanchez downs, Hartford Matthews.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
I forgot how big McDonald was or is.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, he's a big boy.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
As a it has a big boy to try to
try to make a gap from Yeah sixth for those
that don't know, six three three twenty six per per
the Oaste Athletics page.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, dude's huge.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
He eating gaps.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, and for what it's worth, I do think Edward
Houston is a it could be a good pass rusher.
I mean it's obviously yeah, scene.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
But.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
When it lost my train of thought, Oh, Edward Houston
was recruited as a defensive end. It was always known
that he was going to be kind of a tweeener
that that was known coming in. He would make a
perfect defensive end in a defensive three four you know
(46:01):
who should he go on to the next level, you know,
he would be perfect in like the you know Steelers,
like he could be very Cam Heyward esque. I think,
is you know what you're shooting for if you're Ederick Houston. Yeah,
(46:24):
any additional thoughts, concerns questions on the defense.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
No, I I do agree with this.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
I think I feel a lot more. I feel a
lot more confident just because the whole offensive line is
you can throw you can throw players around, just because
of how many how many starters there there really are
on the offensive line. But I feel that I feel
the defense is a lot more solidified.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
But man, I feel I feel it's just so so
good about the defense this year. Not not saying the
offense isn't gonna gonna do well or anything like that,
but but the defense, Man, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I have a few more points. But Kyle, you want
to take us to another ad break first after you
take a quick off or whatever.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, sorry, I'm trying trying to get over whatever this.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Don't don't apologize for involuntary human actions, Kyle.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
The swoopcast dot com is your go to link everything
and anything swoop cast related. Mentioned some of our links
in our first uh in our first ad break. Here,
I'll mention about the seventy seventy one store. It's a
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(48:00):
podcast related, Jared, Jared's made some kind of cool ones
over there. Whether it's city based or Ohio beers or
just some just some plane ones have a I have
a gray one that just says Ohio like a like
a block formation. There just this Ohio pretty cool design.
(48:21):
There a lot of really neat designs. If you're kind
of into the more Ohio themed type of shirts, check
out check out seventy seventy one or seventy seventy one
link over at thesgas dot com. We'll take that second
ad break so I can take a drink of water
real quick and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Hey doing Kyle, Kyle's struggled. I am struggling, man, Kyle,
who's the block out?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And don't I didn't even I wasn't even thinking.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I know, I I dropped that on you everyone, because
here's the thing. I feel like that's been a topic
of conversations a lot during our pre seasons, but we
haven't really done it a lot this year because we
all just assume it's going to be Sunny Styles, and
I think it will be Sunny Styles, but if it isn't,
(49:32):
If it's not Sunny Styles, Kyle, who is it? And
I'm asking the chat too, I want I want the
Chat's opinion on this. It is not.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I mean, he's pretty much the lockdown. I'm looking through
the I'm looking through the list. Who else, who else.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Wouldn't be I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I'm trying to figure out, Kyle, if it would help
you or hurt you if I gave you an answer,
because I'd be taking that answer off the board.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Let me let me let me look at let me
look at the seat, Let me look at the the
upper classmen here.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
Let me look at the upper classmen.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Okay, that's the question. Who's the block Oh and you're
not allowed to say sunny styles. That's the question because
I think we all, I think we all think it's
gonna be sunny styles.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
I have kind of an so some I think some
of the veteran ones. Uh you could put Curry Hicks
uh huh.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Styles the other styles?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, who's actually?
Speaker 3 (50:45):
How about how about how about a corner?
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Jared mhm?
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Would could you could you ever give a transfer the
blockout that I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not
I'm asking the question. I am I am. I am
simply asking questions. Kyle Transfer is getting it would be Caleb.
(51:21):
Caleb's not a senior, although we all it's been a
senior every single time, and yes, we all acknowledge that
this is his last season at Ohio State. Like, I
don't think there's any chance in hell, any chance in
hell he's coming back for a third year, fourth year
in total. But they've always given it to a senior.
(51:47):
They've always given it to a final year player. I
should say, uh literally a safety. And people have said
he's the number one prospect in the draft and we'll
go top five. I know zero chance in Helly's coming back,
but they've never given it to someone who has the
eligibility to return. Now, could they give it to JJ
(52:12):
next year? Maybe it's possible. I won't deny it, all right, Kyle,
how do you feel about Carson Hinzman. I think that's
where I go if I have to go. I think
(52:32):
he's a guy who has started a lot for Ohio State.
I think he was a guy who was in the
doghouse at Ohio State for a bit due to some
things he said publicly after his freshman year. He's a
guy who worked his way out of the doghouse. He's
a guy who has played guard, played center, He's moved
(52:54):
around it won't even be sunny. Austin thinks he's onto something.
Sonny loves six too much, and you have to take
the block out if it's given to you though right now,
of course, if Hensman gets it, it would be a
patch oh, because you're not allowed to weigh zero on
(53:15):
the offensive line. But we've seen that, we've seen that
happen before aid Off. It could be David Adolph. They've
kind of they've given it to the they've given I
mean kind of the way the same way X got it.
But the thing is that X was gonna be a
(53:37):
member of Like, I don't know how much Aidof gets
on the field, and X was always going to get
on the field even as a former walk on. Yeah,
Adolf is the seventh receiver. Yeah, what the third or
fourth wide receiver?
Speaker 3 (53:56):
Again, this is since this is the year the tight ends.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
Let's give it to Let's give it to U.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Let's give it to either Christian or Kakamir, both fourth
and fifth year seniors.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Kick Merrick's a transfer. I'll believe it when I see it,
And you know, maybe maybe Iggy because this is now
his third year to Ohio State, like he even though
he's a transfer. It doesn't quite feel as he is
(54:37):
this third year to Ohio State. I don't hintsman didn't
play for Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I don't care where they're from. They chose to come here.
You don't get to choose where you're born. You do
get to choose where you go to college, especially when
you have options like these guys have options.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
I think it is this week. I think, I think
I think it's going to be announced this week. Jared
of who's going to get block? Oh I, if I
remember correctly, it has has to be announced this week.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, the bloco is almost always an Ohio kid. I
don't think that's true. I I don't have those I
don't have it in front of me to look. But
I don't think that's true. Yeah, I again, I don't.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
Do you get do.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
You guys know where Cody Simon's from? Where's Cody Simon's from?
He's he's a New Jersey kid.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Well there's one you want to roll down the list? Kyle.
I think I think sun Gard was just gonna be like,
they're gonna call me out on this. I think he
was just going to try and roll into that answer
with confidence and just assume we weren't gonna call him
out on it. It almost worked. No, it didn't. I
(56:16):
do respect it, though I do respect I do respect it.
So Jonathan Cooper, Sun Card, you've had a couple takes
that you truly believe that ended up being terrible. To
be fair, you are very face blind.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
As an example, Jonathan Cooper, Where was Jonathan Cooper?
Speaker 1 (56:44):
No one's arguing you don't go hard in the paint,
sun Card. That's why we love you. But going hard
in the paint isn't the same as, you know, actually
putting it in the bucket. Jonathan Cooper was from Ohio.
Speaker 4 (57:03):
Yes, he was from.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Ol In Tangy Orange. Actually, for some reason, I actually
know the high school ol In Tangy Orange mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (57:13):
And then and then it was their Munford. He was
the one that couldn't wear zero.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, where was he? Where's I don't remember where Thayer's from.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
He's from Cincinnati, Okay.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
See Austin is at least kind of onto something.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
Here, Okay, Cameron Bob, Bob's from where leveland right, he's
from Columbus.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Columbus since he is almost Ohio is maybe the funniest
thing you've ever said in this discord service on card
since he is almost Ohio is a banger sentence?
Speaker 3 (57:55):
And where was X from?
Speaker 4 (57:57):
And where was X?
Speaker 1 (57:58):
I don't I think Ohio. I'm almost certain Ohio. I don't.
I don't know where he was a walk on? You
know that's true. That does add credibility that he's Yeah,
that's good point. Awesome he is from Yeah.
Speaker 4 (58:35):
I get I guess. Yeah. I was just trying to
just double check it.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
It does say he is from Cincinnati, Okay, I was
just I was just double just double checking.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
I mean, I was given us or I was giving
some card crap. But there was at least some merit
to this.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
There was at least some merit to it, although the
it did get busted last year.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, interesting because there was from Ohio state page.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
Here.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
I'm trying to figure out who the second one is
says this. It was an article from a year ago. Uh,
Cody Simon, a Jersey City, New Jersey native, who is
the second non Ohioan to wear a block.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Oh uh, And.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
I'm like Cameron, but but we just went through all
of them. Sun Card says wasn't bobbed from Cincinnati or
excuse me, Saint Louis. I have Cincinnati on the brain.
Speaker 4 (59:41):
Now, uh let me let me look.
Speaker 3 (59:44):
Oh yeah, no, you're right, yep, it is Saint Louis.
Speaker 4 (59:47):
Okay, that's the other one.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
All right, there you go. So, I mean there's only
some merit to it. That selection. We'll just call that
Kyle Squarer. There's a bit of selection bias there because
like what somewhere between a third and a half of
the players on the team or from Ohio. So there's
a little bit of a you know, all right, are
(01:00:15):
we we're calling?
Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I do have one more? I do have one more?
Because this is interesting?
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Is this.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Preseason rankings Scott's crap and and you shouldn't We shouldn't
unless it's shouldn't care unless that episode. So in the
ap Ohio State is third, second in the coaches and
Texas is number one, So a one versus three matchup here. Currently,
(01:00:44):
Ohio State is a two and a half point favorite
over the Longhorns, which would be a first ever for
a preseason ranked number one team to be an underdog
in Week one.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
That's a fun factoid. I will point out out the
two and a half at home does mean that Texas
would be favored on a neutral yes, yep. For the record,
that that that would translate into, I think, depending upon
the book, either one or a either one and a
(01:01:19):
half or half point for Texas if if it were
played on a neutral field.
Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Yep, I promise that was it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
That that's it, all right, that's it, Kyle. It was
announced this week that Ohio State will be doing new
I think it was actually last week, a new like
in stadium stuff, new new traditions, new routines, new YadA,
(01:01:59):
YadA YadA, aditional tradition evolved, tradition evolved, which is such
a marketing bullshit thing. We're evolving tradition. Oh so you're
changing it. No, we're evolving it. We aren't changing it,
We're evolving it. One of the things they said that
(01:02:21):
they were going to do was incorporate some like a
new playlist playing songs in the shoe. I actually really
wanted to do and thought about doing an episode where
I was like, Okay, here's the new third down song
and here's the new the kickoff song. Because as much
as I like the White Stripes, we do need to
acknowledge that they're from Michigan. And maybe we shouldn't have
(01:02:46):
maybe we should let seven Nation Army go. And I
thought about, like I thought about like mapping out the
whole thing. I think as an example, uh, I think
the third down song should be trees by by twenty
one pilots. I think that would go hard. I thought
about doing a whole episode where I mapped it out,
but I thought it was gonna be lame if I
(01:03:07):
did it, and I didn't actually do music drops, but
if I can't really do music drops on the show
because of YouTube, so I just decided not to do it.
But one of the and we don't know like the
full soundtrack yet, of the of like what all the
(01:03:27):
changes are gonna be, they did say that they were
going to incorporate a song called Ohio from the band camp,
which is spelled with two a's for anyone trying to
google that at home. I decided I'm just gonna go
ahead and end the show with that today in case.
And of course, like once again, I can't play music
(01:03:47):
on YouTube, so that's only for gonna it's only gonna
be for the podcast listeners, only gonna be for the
audio listeners. But if you are watching on YouTube, I
will put a link like I always do. I always
end the show with music YouTube. People never hear you're
the music, but you can always go down into the
show notes and click the link to the music as
a as an alternative. So I thought, hey, let's just
(01:04:07):
play that song. And uh, in case you were like, hey,
what's this new song that they're gonna play at the
shoe now as a part of a new tradition, Well
you're about to hear it on on the on the
podcast side YouTube side link in the description. So, Kyle,
with all that being said, I'd like to encourage everyone
(01:04:28):
to drink local beer, listen to local music, and of
course port local podcasters. Uh. The name of this band
is camp Once again, name of this band is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
No Not Grow Up look Back.
Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Thanks on the.
Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Roll the Dice on the weekend conversation with a couple
of smoking cigarette I'm screwing my best never forget me too,
(01:05:03):
Football and Tar Tree. You are a mad man, Simon.
Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Now man man nohow g wy.
Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Wow g.
Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Some thing's caplicating like your fast guess one of the
beaches in the seventh grade. Damn mens Boodie's memory shooting
shoot us down my spine.
Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Make him in the Madidons.
Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Blame me, us and my play man, whow.
Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Should be well?
Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Who should be well? Do not go up, don't go back,
(01:06:44):
and get the play in size
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