December 4, 2025 • 49 mins
Ohio State takes on Indiana in the Big Ten Conference Championship. Buckeyes haven’t won it since 2020 and Indiana hasn’t since the 1960s. We got you covered and more in this 1 vs 2 matchup!
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Anchor's up sails A cool welcome to the subcast.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Agents say all right, Jared, how are you doing good?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Doing good?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Doing good? Set?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
If I'm going around, that's a hit a char twipss. Sorry,
it's all good, Kyle.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Regular season Finnish Michigan vanquished. Now is the postseason. And
as weird as it is to say, because I don't
think I don't think we've said this, not this late
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into the season anyway, Since two thousand and six, best
two teams in the country are in the Big Ten,
the long national nightmare of the SEC thinking that it
(01:42):
is so much better than everyone else has come to
an end. I mean maybe they still think it. They
probably still think it, but we can all laugh at
them now. Where it started off being not that true,
then the perception and the narrative was pushed so hard
(02:04):
that the recruits bought in, which eventually made it true.
But we're not living in those times anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The best two teams in college football right now are
in the Big Ten, and so weirdly one of them
is Indiana. Well, hypothetical wins don't count as much anymore.
I mean you have that too, I mean, Ohio State
doesn't win either of their last two national titles in
(02:40):
the BCS era period, they don't. They don't get to
play for them, they don't get to prove it on
the field.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, all right, let's go ahead and talk about are
the Indiana Hoosiers in the Big Ten Championship game. Yeah,
it's just so weird seeing.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
A good Indiana, a good.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Indiana, Like you got Ohio State who hasn't won the
Big Ten title in five years, and you have Indiana
who has who has only ever ever won the Big
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Ten conference title twice in it's in its program history.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Where either of this time where either of those times
full championships. Because for the young folks in the crowd,
you used to have co champions fairly often because there
was no Big Ten Title game, and we used to
have the lamest tiebreaker on earth for the Rose Bowl.
(04:01):
As as anyone who remembers that season remembers when Ohio
State got jobbed out of the Rose Bowl because they
were co champions last time they Werewestern.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yep, last time they the last time they were a
conference champion. It was a three way tie with Indi,
with Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota. Back in nineteen sixty seven.
What one they did win it? They did, Yeah, they
did win it once. They did win it. Wan outright
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back in nineteen forty five when they went nine to
oh and one.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Were we still at war.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Nineteen forty five, because.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Because it feels like maybe we might have still been
at war, m definitely still occupying people in the post.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Part Army Army was the national champion that.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Year because we were at war. We had a draft.
I'm not even kidding, we had a draft. You you
played for army. If Army said you played for army,
now that's gets hurting.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, let's get to know Indiana.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Army was world champions in nineteen forty five, Esquire, True.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
This is true? Yes, all right, let's look. Let's let's
look at Indiana.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Here ended in September of nineteen forty five, which like that,
that's well after National Signing Day. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
All right, all right, we got to move on Indiana.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
These history jokes are hitting, trust me.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, Indiana here.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Defensively, it's like looking like both teams kind of looking
at themselves in the mirror, very very similar in terms
of statistics here, Statistics like points per game Indiana third,
Ohio State. One points per play, Indiana fifth, Ohio State
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one points per play, four yards per yards per game,
Indiana sixth Ohio State one.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm sorry, you're looking at the defense, My bad, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I mean offensive offensively. Yeah again, if you look just
at the stats, yeah, Indiana, Indiana has the slight edge,
slight edge over over Ohio State. Like they are like third, fourth, ninth,
eighth in like the major categories offensively, while a house
state is like seventeenth, twenty seventh, seventeenth.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Are those per play averages, So.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
If I'm doing per play, if I'm doing per play,
because I think.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
We need to look at per play the way o
High State's been playing offense.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, So points per play, points per play, Indiana's fourth,
Ohio State is tenth, okay. And if we do rushing
yards per rush, Ohio State is thirty eighth, so they
improve they hasn't been improving in that. Indiana's twelfth, okay,
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and then the last the last one here, So passing
Ohio State yards per pass is eleventh at nine yards
per pass, and Indiana is sixth that nine point two.
There you go, so pretty much even pretty much even there.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Statistically they're they're just right there. And I think the
really important one here, Jared, the really really important one.
Look at the third down conversions. Look at the third downs.
Indiana is number two, they're completely they are They are
converting fifty five percent of their third downs and letting
up just under twenty nine percent.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Ohio State is number one offensively at at fifty just yeah,
fifty five point two eight and Indiana's fifty five point
two to two, so exactly the same comments. And then
Ohio State is number two defensively converting third downs at
twenty seven point nine to four. So it's one whole percentage.
(08:33):
That's the whole percentage different.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's an entire percentage point that represents several first downs.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Oh man, this is just going to be just like
just iron on iron if you're looking at statistic statistic wise, though,
But I think I think the big thing and then
we'll get to the players here. I think the huge,
huge thing here of the difference is the turnovers. Look
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at looking at the turnovers here, uh, they are number four,
actually they're tied for fourth, and offensively turnover like yeah,
offensively turnovers per game, they are only letting up zero
point six per game, which is exactly what Ohio State
is defensively. They are getting two point two turnovers defensively
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a game. That is absurd and.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
That's really really good. Now, before we get.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Why, Ohio State is only getting zero point eight, which
is near the very very bottom.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So we're probably losing the turnover battle. We've lost the
turnover battle most of the games recently. Although I say
that when you look at it keeper, I think the
fact I think Ohio State is actually tied.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
There there they are situation of the turnovers, or they
are plus zero point two, just a tad on the
on the good on the good side.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Now now here, here's here's the problem with all these stats, Kyle. Now,
our stats wouldn't count the Indiana State game, as Indiana
State is an FCS school, soph doesn't, O High State
doesn't get to count their Grambling numbers, and Indiana State
doesn't or in Indiana doesn't get to count their Indiana
State numbers. That being said, out of conference Kennasa State
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and Old Dominion. Now even some pretty hardcore college football
fans would probably tell you that those two teams are
FCS schools. They aren't, but they were recently. This is
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the worst out of conference schedule I have ever seen.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And yeah, it was terrible.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Old Dominion Domain, Indiana State.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
They looked bad against oh Dominion.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It's it's offensively, it's it's it's rough, like, yeah, this
is this is those week one. But yeah, but this
is a rough out of conference schedule. I don't mean rough.
I don't mean rough in a challenging way. I mean
rough in an embarrassing way.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, so I guess we have to look at we
have to we have to compare.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
The the teams that both that both Indiana and Ohio
State has played.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Honestly, I'm not even that interested in doing that because
I think you kind of put forth a certain amount
of I'm only interested in doing that if we're looking
purely at the differential, the point differentials, because I know
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Indiana's probably put up, especially on the offensive side, some
more gaudy numbers because Ohio State was shortening games, right.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
So.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Be like, oh, well, you know they scored thirty on well,
Ohisi didn't play Oregon, but Indiana scored fifty six points
on Purdue. How many did Ohio State score and it's
probably I don't remember what it was, but it's nowhere
near fifty six.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Ohio State just simply wasn't interested, especially through November, unless
you're Michigan, in playing full football games, which is part
of the reason why I specifically asked you to look
at the per play average. When we're looking at the stats,
because Ohio State has been shortening games, they different up
(12:47):
to gaudy numbers because they if I'm going to don't
care to if I'm going to compare to four games Illinois,
Penn State, Wisconsin, and UCLA.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay, those those four.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Games, I might there might have been another, might have
been another went in there, but I'm going to pick
those four games again, there might have been another one.
But if I do did those four together, the point
differential is Ohio State one hundred and fourteen points m
HM Indiana one hundred and thirty. It was one one
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hundred and seventy seven points four and forty seven given
up for Indiana versus Ohio State one hundred and fifty
four and let up forty So just seven points less
than than Indiana.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, so advantage Indiana on that. But again.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Sure, So let's let's let's look at the players.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If I State wanted to, they could have beat UCLA
fifty sixty six.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Sure, and in the in the big thing, the big
thing here. I think we heard this in a number
of places before last Before last week, there was a
stat out there that Ohio State has ran a full
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game less plays than Indiana. So they pretty so Indiana.
So hase has played pretty much one less game in
terms of plays than Indiana.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Sure. And I know we talked a lot on Scarlett
and Grade and probably the decent amount on last week's
Know Your Enemy about you know, how much healthier Ohio
State is or was compared to Michigan m And you know,
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the injury situation at Indiana isn't necessarily.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Bad.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I know they didn't have E. J. Williams last week,
but you know, they they don't appear to be, you know,
as injury riddled as as say Michigan was last week.
(15:22):
It all it helps that unlike Michigan, in more like
Ohio State, that they haven't been in a ton of
competitive football games. Indiana hasn't been. They they were in
a barn burner with Penn State a few weeks ago,
but there the organ game was also close, but for
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the most part, they've also had the opportunity to mix
in other teams. The Iowa game was also close. I
think it's worth I think it's worth noting that anytime
they've played a decent football team, and for the sake
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of decent, I'm going to say Iowa, Oregon, Penn State,
especially Penn State later in the season, they played a
better Penn State than Ohio State played. Let's be honest
about that, right, Penn State started to sort of figure
some stuff out later in the season. Ohio State had
Penn State at their at their near worst. So you know,
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credit to Indiana, those weren't the same football teams. Like,
I'm not trying to be a number here, Indiana.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Indiana has had four games where they were within two score,
where their opponents were within two scores for the final score.
That is, they four games Penn State by three, uh
Oregon by two, Iowa by five, and Old Dominion by thirteen.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
And how many games.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Would you think and how many games would you think
Ohio State opponents have in the final score have been
within two scores?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Texas just Texas. Yeah, yeah, So again that was week one. Yeah,
I don't know, it's not you would think this would
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be easy to compare.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's it's it's really it is really here, It's really not.
We've got we've got a lot of a lot of
numbers up here if you're watching us on the YouTube.
We got a lot of numbers up here for like
Mendoza very accurate. Seventy uh thirty two accounts is accurate
in in in Bloomington. That's yeah, thirty touchdowns, six rushing,
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only five interceptions. They got to do a running back
who's which they have almost seventeen hundred yards and thirteen
touchdowns between the two. And they got a pair of
wide receivers who each have who are each over six
hundred yards and eleven touchdowns each as well too.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
No, the the running game for Indiana is top notch.
They are they are one of they're one of the
top teams in terms of rushing. Yeah, they're rushing over
two hundred yards per game. Puts some number nine. I
think Michigan was tenth, and we saw Oho S holding
them to one hundred yards for the entire game there.
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But yeah, I think this this team really does well
Indiana because their defense puts them in really good position
to be able to score too. As I mentioned before,
their averaging causing two point two turnovers a game. That's
that's absurd. That's that's a lot. And you look at
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you look at some difference makers, and it really starts
with their their safeties. Their safeties have a combined over
one hundred tackles nine interceptions between the two Like that's
that's a that's a big difference maker right there. And
then you have you have their edge rusher h Steph
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Dally who has almost twenty tackles for loss as well,
and their defensive tackle, their tackle has ten tackles for
loss as well. So their defensive line getting it done
up up front, linebackers are doing what they need to do,
and their their safeties are just cleaning up too. It's
just it's just a really really well balanced uh defense
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that Indiana has.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I mean well balanced actually really just describes the entire
team that well as well. I mean, this is the
most balanced team Ohio States played all year offensively and defensively.
They're you know, athlete for athlete, they can't stay on
the field with Ohio State. But also there's no holes
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with with Michigan, it was like, well, if you can
get some points up on them and force them to
pass and get away from their run game, or if
you load the box and you you know, take out
their run game and force them to pass, then they'd
be in trouble, which you know we said last week
and then we saw on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You're you're You're not going to get any such ease
against Indiana. Ye, it's they have an incredibly effective run
game and pass game. On the defensive side, they stopped
the run well, they stopped the pass well. There are
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no holes in Indie Indiana team. They are solid across
the board. And again I will say athlete for athlete.
They can't stick with Ohio State. If Ohio State executes
to the best of their ability, Ohio State will win.
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But the margin of error is slim, probably the most
slim it's been since Texas, more slim than it was
against Michigan. This is a better football team than Michigan,
if that needs to be said, If if you need
to hear it point, I mean, if you fuck Vegas,
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just this is you know, Michigan had injuries and Michigan
has an anemic passing game. Indiana, I would say, in
spots can't even necessarily hang with Michigan athlete for athletes
in spots in certain position groups. But what Indiana has
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over Michigan, even if it's not the top notch athletes,
what Indian absolutely has is consistency across the board. Is
also a very veteran team, whereas Michigan was a very
young football team. As much as we enjoyed that victory
over Michigan, and you should know that that is a
very young football team Ohio State beat. Now you could
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also say Ohio State, it's a very young football team,
and on the offense, that's certainly true. But that's a
very young Michigan team. Ohio State beat. If they can
keep that band of players together, which in this day
and age is not a given, but if they can
keep that band a player, you know, that's going to
be a better Michigan team next year. Yeah, all right,
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I'm just saying it's a Michigan's a young team. This
Indiana team is not. This is a veteran football team.
And you know, I also don't want you to think
that like I'm saying that Indiana doesn't have athletes. Indiana
does have athletes. Hembi and Black are excellent running backs.
Amari Cooper is an excellent wide receiver. All three of
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their receivers are very good again, athlete for athlete, not
as good as High States wide receivers, but they're still very,
very very good. This is not a team you can
take lightly, and this is not a team that you
can sleep walk and beat. If you're Ohio State, you
need to come out and you need to execute. The
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margin for error here is much slimmer than it was
against even Michigan or Penn State, much more similar to
the slim margin of error you had when playing Texas.
High States should win this game, but Indiana can win
this football game. This is this is not a given.
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All right, let's go.
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Speaker 1 (25:12):
Esquire in the chat says we're going to finally uncork
the offense. I think sayan is built for a dome.
Sayan's built for a dome. Uh Smith is built for
a dome. Ryan DA's offenses are built for domes. You know.
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Ryan Dai didn't dwell on it a lot. But during
the postgame press conference after the Michigan game, he said,
and I interpret this as him thinking that the offense
was held back, but he said something along the lines
of this game plays out very differently in different weather
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if you have an athlete advantage, which again Ohio State does.
If you have an athlete advantage, playing in a dome
is beneficial to you greatly. It turned it essentially turns
into a track match at that point, not a track match,
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a track meet.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
A track.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Game, a track competition. Kyle, this is where so that you,
the track person, are supposed to make fun of me.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm I'm just gonna just move on. It's okay, Indiana.
Look Indiana, Jared looking for their first win over Ohio
State since nineteen eighty eight. I mean, this is the
this is their best shot since twenty twenty that they'll
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really I mean, this is their best This is the
best their best shot since twenty twenty that they'll they
have that chance to to beat Ohio State here now,
I mean sure.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You can look at like you can look at last year.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, you can look at last year about Hio State
just dominated, absolutely dominated.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
That came well.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I think that's the thing maybe worth exploring, is
that the last two the last time these two teams met,
and granted they are different football teams. Saying wasn't on
that team, I mean he was on the team, but
he was red shirt freshman or excuse me, he was
a true freshman who was red shirt didn't play. He
didn't play, thank you, Kyle, Mendoza wasn't on the football team.
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Lots of players are different. So it's it's it's it's
lazy to just be like, these teams played last year
and Ohio State crushed them. M but it's still more
true than it isn't. It's more true than it isn't,
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Spike says, but knowing we may see them again in
the playoffs, does Day empty the tank to win this one?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Ohio say it has not won the Big Ten since
twenty nineteen, and Ryan Day knows that.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You could say the same thing with Indiana too. I
mentioned they haven't one that's big.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I'm answering Spikes's question specific Sure, when I say that
Day's not going to hold anything back, I'm just saying
that specifically.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Within there's there's some out dumb outlets out there that
or say, maybe these teams should they should hold back
and uh and rest like does this game really mean anything?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yes, it means it means everything.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because there's a lot of talk about like the Georgia
and Alabama, like does the SEC championship game really mean
anything nowadays? When both of them are going to get
in and this and that, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It really should? It really should? Uh, Esquire asks first,
He says, I bet say, and throws a mean javelin. Sure,
I have no reason to doubt that he could do
that if he wanted to. But then he says, will
we blitz Mendoza. I wonder the way the defense is
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operated so far this year is they will selectively blitz,
they will situationally blitz. They they they kind of have
a tendency to like, Oh, we're just gonna we're just
gonna send three guys. Oh we're just gonna send three guys.
Oh we're just gonna send three guys, and then sort
of build the confidence up of the quarterback a little bit,
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make them think they can hold the ball a little
bit longer, and then boom, five guys, Yeah, burgers and fries,
Like here comes the blitz, m hm, And so it's.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Ready to do ready to do some slip series here?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Sure? Sure?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
All right?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
All right?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
First question here, Haw State player to watch in this
in this game?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Here? To me, I think I think it's to me,
I think I think it's.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's going to be Julian sand He needs to just
continue being himself that he has been all year, just
the just absolute legend that he is and has been
all year.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Being able to just just.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Move the ball with ease, converting those third downs and
keep keeping those drives alive. There. It's it's going to
come down to Julian say, being able to put the
ball where it needs to go into his playmaker's hands there.
So yeah, I'll go with Julian sand Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
You know, I got saying in Mendoza in the thumb Now,
I'm definitely gonna pick Mendoza on the enemy player to watch. Yeah,
and a lot, And we haven't talked, we haven't touched
on it because I don't. I don't care about the heisman.
Quite frankly, it's not important to me. It's political and
it's people will submit their votes before they even get it.
(31:21):
It's the voting's regional. The heisman is stupid. I don't
really care about it. But according to a lot of people,
the people who do care about it, this game is
not just for the Big ten, it's also for the heisman,
according to some.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So I'm I but I don't. I don't care. I
don't care about the heisman. I'm gonna go Mendoza for
enemy player to watch. But on the Ohio State side,
I'm more concerned about the defense. Well, I state it
will get their points. I don't care how good Indiana
I thinks their defense is Ohio State will get at
worst twenty seven points. This defense is yet to allow
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more than seventeen points this year, and does Indiana break that?
Does Indiana put up a new high against this defense?
It's it's legitimately possible. Again, this is the most complete defense,
excuse me, the most complete offense Ohio State has played
all year. It is entirely possible. I've never felt more
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concerned that a team is going to score twenty plus
on this defense. So to me, the key is the defense,
and therefore I'm going Caleb Downs.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yep, yeah, Indiana, I mean Mendoza was the I think
the easy, easy choice here, but I'll I think I'll
pick the their safety Lewis Moore six eighty six tackles
five interceptions for for the safety there, sure, I'll pick
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him as the Indiana player to watch.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Is he going to is he going to.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Give saying any kind of issues when he's trying to
throw the ball deep or to throw it into specific
coverage that saying things that they may be and too,
So I'll go I'll go with the Lewis Moore for
Indiana player to watch. Uh key matchup for the key matchup. Yeah,
I think, honestly, I know this whole this whole game
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has revolved around saying versus Mendoza, but honestly, like it's
the running attack from Indiana that's been really the the
big thing in this this game. Here they they got
too two headed back here, uh him being black that
we discussed before, we mentioned at the start of the
season that that Penn State has has the best dual
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running back. Now I also think, I think, uh, athletically
why Penn State still does.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
But if you look in terms of the stats.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Pen uh uh wow, Indiana has the two headed back
monster right now too. So I think it's it's it's
Ohio State's front seven being able to being able to
stop these two running backs because there they may they
may be able to just to try to run run
at Ohio State. Seeing the type of success at times
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that that Michigan had against Ohio State, and can they
replicate that with him being black and be able to
get the.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
What were they averaging?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Uh? Or was it here five point five yards per carry?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, I'm going along those same lines. I'm gonna take
a little different focus than you, but along those same lines.
I'm going with the interior of the Indiana offensive line
versus the interior of the Ohio State defensive line. If
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Ohio State can stop the easy stuff up the middle
and push the running game to the outsides, where you
know Downs and Reese and of course styles can get
involved and clean stuff up, I think I think it'll
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be okay on the running game. But in order to
do that, you have to stop the interior running game.
And so I'm going I think that's maybe as much
the key to the game as anything else. Is Caden McDonald,
who's on a wild streak of dominating right now, Edward Houston,
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Will Smith, Junior, Taiwan Malone. That's the matchup I'll be
watching most closely on on Saturday night. By the way,
just real real quick, Uh, the SEC is playing in
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the afternoon and the Big tennis playing in primetime.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
That's how That's how it has been.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I that's how it has been for the big tension
for the conference championships. Yes, totally backwards for the regular season.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
The spread Jared Well I see is a five and
a half point favorite against the Hoosiers in this matchup here, Yeah,
is Nope, heat left. So our guest picker, sun Card
did pick a state to cover. So did Jared, and
so did I. Yeah, but what do you have as
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the final.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Score, though, Jared?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I have.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Ohio state thirty eight, Indiana twenty thirty eight to twenty
thirty eight to twenty all.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Right, I have Ohio state twenty four. Yeah, you're just
making sure my math. My math's right, twenty four, Indiana seventeen. No, yeah, spikes,
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the spikes. That was my pick. You got to pick
something else, these spikes. I said it first.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It's not even the rules. You can't change the rules
just because you don't like the way I'm playing. We
can have this same score.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, all right, awesome, all right, cool.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
You did not get it out before Kyle did. I'm
sure from your perspective, because of stream delay, you did.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
So from your perspective, i'm sure you think that's true.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
We're gon we're gonna go to the tapes. We'll go
to the tapes and look at it.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
The tape. Well, i'm the tape I'm recording. I know
Kyle got it out first, But from Spike's perspective, I'm
sure he legitimately thinks he got it out first, because
from his perspective.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
He did.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Anyway, important thing here is that Indiana blows.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, all right, that is our.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Don't make my mail Conference Championship preview. Got anything else,
any any anything else you want to I want to
mention here before we before we wrap things up.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Don't we have Do we have Austin's over unders?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
We do not.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
We don't thought for sure he did.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Did he put them in there?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Oh? He did. I didn't. I didn't see it. I
did not see him.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Put that in there, Austin. I expect the team, Jared,
when when you go to listen to this, just any okay,
in the slipcats only wherever you want in the discord.
But I just just just drop a single team, Jared O.
I know what it means.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Right here we go rapid fire Tate and JJ cutches
nine and a half over over for me as well,
Aiden Fisher and tackles or I'm sorry, Aiden Fisher tackles
at eight and a half. Who who is the leading
tackle linebacker? Yeah, the leading linebacker tackler.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
For this isn't Hardy?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Uh oh no, no, you're right, Hardy, Yes, yep, I
was too small party.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, it's it's close.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I'm going, I'm going under. I'll go under.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I'll go over, all right, Uh, Reese, Jackson and Curry
Sachs at one point five one. I'm going I'm gonna
go under.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
I'm gonna go over.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yap Uh Mendoza passing yards at two twenty four and
a half.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I'll go I'll go over.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Let's see, they are currently as a team at least
passing at two forty two point seven a game. M hm,
So that's not much below average. So I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
All right, Bo and West rushing yards hundred twenty two
and a half.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
This feels like a passing game. I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, I'm thinking under as well, not by much, I
think both for just over one hundred.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, it's a good number, all right.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
And Hemby and Serat touches.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
The Serat's their second wide receiver, yep to Surat to
their second receiver.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Hemby is their leading rusher in terms of back rushes
and yardage. I'd call him back one a sure sixteen
and a half touches. Yeah, I'll go over. I'll go
over because touches also includes receptions as well.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
For Hemby.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, does he get I don't. I don't have that
in front of me. Does he get a lot of receptions?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I will try to find that real quick.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I don't right off, I.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Only have his rushing stats in front of me. Sat
is their second leading wide receiver at forty eight total
for the year.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
If I do it receiving, he's down there a little
bit there receiving number rooman Hemby. He has thirteen receptions
for the year. So won a game roughly, Yeah, yep,
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I'm still going over.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay, right, and last one is saying completion at seventy
seven point six seven percent.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
We saw one bad drive then we then we saw
say in back on his like after a couple If
he games without his wide receivers, you know, then last
week he's playing in the weather a bit didn't seem
to slow him down too bad. Now we get him
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in a dome. We know he has Tate, we know
he has Smith. Yeah, give me the over. He's he's
popping going, He's popping eighty plus this game. He hasn't
popped in eighty I just described to you why he
hasn't popped in eighty in a bit. I know, literally
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just said it.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I know, November eighth seventy four, sixty eight percent, and
then last week seventy three percent. I'm going with the
recent numbers here, and I'll go slightly under at like
seventy six percent.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Unlike those three games, he has both of his wide receivers,
and we playing in good weather, which he hasn't had,
which he hasn't got to do since November eighth.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Sure, sure, but he hasn't he hasn't faced a secondary
like this, and.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
This secondary hasn't faced a wide receiver crew or period.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, ever, yeah, yeah, all right, all right, quote, all right,
that is everything on our list here, Jared, all right,
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Agents say all right, Jared, how are you doing good?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Doing good?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Doing good? Set?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
If I'm going around, that's a hit a char twipss. Sorry,
it's all good, Kyle.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Regular season Finnish Michigan vanquished. Now is the postseason. And
as weird as it is to say, because I don't
think I don't think we've said this, not this late
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into the season anyway, Since two thousand and six, best
two teams in the country are in the Big Ten,
the long national nightmare of the SEC thinking that it
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is so much better than everyone else has come to
an end. I mean maybe they still think it. They
probably still think it, but we can all laugh at
them now. Where it started off being not that true,
then the perception and the narrative was pushed so hard
(02:04):
that the recruits bought in, which eventually made it true.
But we're not living in those times anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The best two teams in college football right now are
in the Big Ten, and so weirdly one of them
is Indiana. Well, hypothetical wins don't count as much anymore.
I mean you have that too, I mean, Ohio State
doesn't win either of their last two national titles in
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the BCS era period, they don't. They don't get to
play for them, they don't get to prove it on
the field.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, all right, let's go ahead and talk about are
the Indiana Hoosiers in the Big Ten Championship game. Yeah,
it's just so weird seeing.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
A good Indiana, a good.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Indiana, Like you got Ohio State who hasn't won the
Big Ten title in five years, and you have Indiana
who has who has only ever ever won the Big
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Ten conference title twice in it's in its program history.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Where either of this time where either of those times
full championships. Because for the young folks in the crowd,
you used to have co champions fairly often because there
was no Big Ten Title game, and we used to
have the lamest tiebreaker on earth for the Rose Bowl.
(04:01):
As as anyone who remembers that season remembers when Ohio
State got jobbed out of the Rose Bowl because they
were co champions last time they Werewestern.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yep, last time they the last time they were a
conference champion. It was a three way tie with Indi,
with Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota. Back in nineteen sixty seven.
What one they did win it? They did, Yeah, they
did win it once. They did win it. Wan outright
(04:34):
back in nineteen forty five when they went nine to
oh and one.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Were we still at war.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Nineteen forty five, because.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Because it feels like maybe we might have still been
at war, m definitely still occupying people in the post.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Part Army Army was the national champion that.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Year because we were at war. We had a draft.
I'm not even kidding, we had a draft. You you
played for army. If Army said you played for army,
now that's gets hurting.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, let's get to know Indiana.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Army was world champions in nineteen forty five, Esquire, True.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
This is true? Yes, all right, let's look. Let's let's
look at Indiana.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Here ended in September of nineteen forty five, which like that,
that's well after National Signing Day. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
All right, all right, we got to move on Indiana.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
These history jokes are hitting, trust me.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah, Indiana here.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Defensively, it's like looking like both teams kind of looking
at themselves in the mirror, very very similar in terms
of statistics here, Statistics like points per game Indiana third,
Ohio State. One points per play, Indiana fifth, Ohio State
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one points per play, four yards per yards per game,
Indiana sixth Ohio State one.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm sorry, you're looking at the defense, My bad, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I mean offensive offensively. Yeah again, if you look just
at the stats, yeah, Indiana, Indiana has the slight edge,
slight edge over over Ohio State. Like they are like third, fourth, ninth,
eighth in like the major categories offensively, while a house
state is like seventeenth, twenty seventh, seventeenth.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Are those per play averages, So.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
If I'm doing per play, if I'm doing per play,
because I think.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
We need to look at per play the way o
High State's been playing offense.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, So points per play, points per play, Indiana's fourth,
Ohio State is tenth, okay. And if we do rushing
yards per rush, Ohio State is thirty eighth, so they
improve they hasn't been improving in that. Indiana's twelfth, okay,
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and then the last the last one here, So passing
Ohio State yards per pass is eleventh at nine yards
per pass, and Indiana is sixth that nine point two.
There you go, so pretty much even pretty much even there.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Statistically they're they're just right there. And I think the
really important one here, Jared, the really really important one.
Look at the third down conversions. Look at the third downs.
Indiana is number two, they're completely they are They are
converting fifty five percent of their third downs and letting
up just under twenty nine percent.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Ohio State is number one offensively at at fifty just yeah,
fifty five point two eight and Indiana's fifty five point
two to two, so exactly the same comments. And then
Ohio State is number two defensively converting third downs at
twenty seven point nine to four. So it's one whole percentage.
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That's the whole percentage different.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's an entire percentage point that represents several first downs.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Oh man, this is just going to be just like
just iron on iron if you're looking at statistic statistic wise, though,
But I think I think the big thing and then
we'll get to the players here. I think the huge,
huge thing here of the difference is the turnovers. Look
(09:00):
at looking at the turnovers here, uh, they are number four,
actually they're tied for fourth, and offensively turnover like yeah,
offensively turnovers per game, they are only letting up zero
point six per game, which is exactly what Ohio State
is defensively. They are getting two point two turnovers defensively
(09:27):
a game. That is absurd and.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
That's really really good. Now, before we get.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Why, Ohio State is only getting zero point eight, which
is near the very very bottom.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So we're probably losing the turnover battle. We've lost the
turnover battle most of the games recently. Although I say
that when you look at it keeper, I think the
fact I think Ohio State is actually tied.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
There there they are situation of the turnovers, or they
are plus zero point two, just a tad on the
on the good on the good side.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Now now here, here's here's the problem with all these stats, Kyle. Now,
our stats wouldn't count the Indiana State game, as Indiana
State is an FCS school, soph doesn't, O High State
doesn't get to count their Grambling numbers, and Indiana State
doesn't or in Indiana doesn't get to count their Indiana
State numbers. That being said, out of conference Kennasa State
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and Old Dominion. Now even some pretty hardcore college football
fans would probably tell you that those two teams are
FCS schools. They aren't, but they were recently. This is
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the worst out of conference schedule I have ever seen.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And yeah, it was terrible.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Old Dominion Domain, Indiana State.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
They looked bad against oh Dominion.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It's it's offensively, it's it's it's rough, like, yeah, this
is this is those week one. But yeah, but this
is a rough out of conference schedule. I don't mean rough.
I don't mean rough in a challenging way. I mean
rough in an embarrassing way.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, so I guess we have to look at we
have to we have to compare.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
The the teams that both that both Indiana and Ohio
State has played.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Honestly, I'm not even that interested in doing that because
I think you kind of put forth a certain amount
of I'm only interested in doing that if we're looking
purely at the differential, the point differentials, because I know
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Indiana's probably put up, especially on the offensive side, some
more gaudy numbers because Ohio State was shortening games, right.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
So.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Be like, oh, well, you know they scored thirty on well,
Ohisi didn't play Oregon, but Indiana scored fifty six points
on Purdue. How many did Ohio State score and it's
probably I don't remember what it was, but it's nowhere
near fifty six.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Ohio State just simply wasn't interested, especially through November, unless
you're Michigan, in playing full football games, which is part
of the reason why I specifically asked you to look
at the per play average. When we're looking at the stats,
because Ohio State has been shortening games, they different up
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to gaudy numbers because they if I'm going to don't
care to if I'm going to compare to four games Illinois,
Penn State, Wisconsin, and UCLA.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay, those those four.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Games, I might there might have been another, might have
been another went in there, but I'm going to pick
those four games again, there might have been another one.
But if I do did those four together, the point
differential is Ohio State one hundred and fourteen points m
HM Indiana one hundred and thirty. It was one one
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hundred and seventy seven points four and forty seven given
up for Indiana versus Ohio State one hundred and fifty
four and let up forty So just seven points less
than than Indiana.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Okay, so advantage Indiana on that. But again.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Sure, So let's let's let's look at the players.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If I State wanted to, they could have beat UCLA
fifty sixty six.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Sure, and in the in the big thing, the big
thing here. I think we heard this in a number
of places before last Before last week, there was a
stat out there that Ohio State has ran a full
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game less plays than Indiana. So they pretty so Indiana.
So hase has played pretty much one less game in
terms of plays than Indiana.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Sure. And I know we talked a lot on Scarlett
and Grade and probably the decent amount on last week's
Know Your Enemy about you know, how much healthier Ohio
State is or was compared to Michigan m And you know,
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the injury situation at Indiana isn't necessarily.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Bad.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I know they didn't have E. J. Williams last week,
but you know, they they don't appear to be, you know,
as injury riddled as as say Michigan was last week.
(15:22):
It all it helps that unlike Michigan, in more like
Ohio State, that they haven't been in a ton of
competitive football games. Indiana hasn't been. They they were in
a barn burner with Penn State a few weeks ago,
but there the organ game was also close, but for
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the most part, they've also had the opportunity to mix
in other teams. The Iowa game was also close. I
think it's worth I think it's worth noting that anytime
they've played a decent football team, and for the sake
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of decent, I'm going to say Iowa, Oregon, Penn State,
especially Penn State later in the season, they played a
better Penn State than Ohio State played. Let's be honest
about that, right, Penn State started to sort of figure
some stuff out later in the season. Ohio State had
Penn State at their at their near worst. So you know,
(16:35):
credit to Indiana, those weren't the same football teams. Like,
I'm not trying to be a number here, Indiana.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Indiana has had four games where they were within two score,
where their opponents were within two scores for the final score.
That is, they four games Penn State by three, uh
Oregon by two, Iowa by five, and Old Dominion by thirteen.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
And how many games.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Would you think and how many games would you think
Ohio State opponents have in the final score have been
within two scores?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Texas just Texas. Yeah, yeah, So again that was week one. Yeah,
I don't know, it's not you would think this would
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be easy to compare.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's it's it's really it is really here, It's really not.
We've got we've got a lot of a lot of
numbers up here if you're watching us on the YouTube.
We got a lot of numbers up here for like
Mendoza very accurate. Seventy uh thirty two accounts is accurate
in in in Bloomington. That's yeah, thirty touchdowns, six rushing,
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only five interceptions. They got to do a running back
who's which they have almost seventeen hundred yards and thirteen
touchdowns between the two. And they got a pair of
wide receivers who each have who are each over six
hundred yards and eleven touchdowns each as well too.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
No, the the running game for Indiana is top notch.
They are they are one of they're one of the
top teams in terms of rushing. Yeah, they're rushing over
two hundred yards per game. Puts some number nine. I
think Michigan was tenth, and we saw Oho S holding
them to one hundred yards for the entire game there.
(18:53):
But yeah, I think this this team really does well
Indiana because their defense puts them in really good position
to be able to score too. As I mentioned before,
their averaging causing two point two turnovers a game. That's
that's absurd. That's that's a lot. And you look at
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you look at some difference makers, and it really starts
with their their safeties. Their safeties have a combined over
one hundred tackles nine interceptions between the two Like that's
that's a that's a big difference maker right there. And
then you have you have their edge rusher h Steph
(19:34):
Dally who has almost twenty tackles for loss as well,
and their defensive tackle, their tackle has ten tackles for
loss as well. So their defensive line getting it done
up up front, linebackers are doing what they need to do,
and their their safeties are just cleaning up too. It's
just it's just a really really well balanced uh defense
(19:57):
that Indiana has.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I mean well balanced actually really just describes the entire
team that well as well. I mean, this is the
most balanced team Ohio States played all year offensively and defensively.
They're you know, athlete for athlete, they can't stay on
the field with Ohio State. But also there's no holes
(20:23):
with with Michigan, it was like, well, if you can
get some points up on them and force them to
pass and get away from their run game, or if
you load the box and you you know, take out
their run game and force them to pass, then they'd
be in trouble, which you know we said last week
and then we saw on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You're you're You're not going to get any such ease
against Indiana. Ye, it's they have an incredibly effective run
game and pass game. On the defensive side, they stopped
the run well, they stopped the pass well. There are
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no holes in Indie Indiana team. They are solid across
the board. And again I will say athlete for athlete.
They can't stick with Ohio State. If Ohio State executes
to the best of their ability, Ohio State will win.
(21:31):
But the margin of error is slim, probably the most
slim it's been since Texas, more slim than it was
against Michigan. This is a better football team than Michigan,
if that needs to be said, If if you need
to hear it point, I mean, if you fuck Vegas,
(21:53):
just this is you know, Michigan had injuries and Michigan
has an anemic passing game. Indiana, I would say, in
spots can't even necessarily hang with Michigan athlete for athletes
in spots in certain position groups. But what Indiana has
(22:17):
over Michigan, even if it's not the top notch athletes,
what Indian absolutely has is consistency across the board. Is
also a very veteran team, whereas Michigan was a very
young football team. As much as we enjoyed that victory
over Michigan, and you should know that that is a
very young football team Ohio State beat. Now you could
(22:39):
also say Ohio State, it's a very young football team,
and on the offense, that's certainly true. But that's a
very young Michigan team. Ohio State beat. If they can
keep that band of players together, which in this day
and age is not a given, but if they can
keep that band a player, you know, that's going to
be a better Michigan team next year. Yeah, all right,
(23:05):
I'm just saying it's a Michigan's a young team. This
Indiana team is not. This is a veteran football team.
And you know, I also don't want you to think
that like I'm saying that Indiana doesn't have athletes. Indiana
does have athletes. Hembi and Black are excellent running backs.
Amari Cooper is an excellent wide receiver. All three of
(23:26):
their receivers are very good again, athlete for athlete, not
as good as High States wide receivers, but they're still very,
very very good. This is not a team you can
take lightly, and this is not a team that you
can sleep walk and beat. If you're Ohio State, you
need to come out and you need to execute. The
(23:49):
margin for error here is much slimmer than it was
against even Michigan or Penn State, much more similar to
the slim margin of error you had when playing Texas.
High States should win this game, but Indiana can win
this football game. This is this is not a given.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
All right, let's go.
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Speaker 1 (25:12):
Esquire in the chat says we're going to finally uncork
the offense. I think sayan is built for a dome.
Sayan's built for a dome. Uh Smith is built for
a dome. Ryan DA's offenses are built for domes. You know.
(25:33):
Ryan Dai didn't dwell on it a lot. But during
the postgame press conference after the Michigan game, he said,
and I interpret this as him thinking that the offense
was held back, but he said something along the lines
of this game plays out very differently in different weather
(25:56):
if you have an athlete advantage, which again Ohio State does.
If you have an athlete advantage, playing in a dome
is beneficial to you greatly. It turned it essentially turns
into a track match at that point, not a track match,
(26:20):
a track meet.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
A track.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Game, a track competition. Kyle, this is where so that you,
the track person, are supposed to make fun of me.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm I'm just gonna just move on. It's okay, Indiana.
Look Indiana, Jared looking for their first win over Ohio
State since nineteen eighty eight. I mean, this is the
this is their best shot since twenty twenty that they'll
(26:57):
really I mean, this is their best This is the
best their best shot since twenty twenty that they'll they
have that chance to to beat Ohio State here now,
I mean sure.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You can look at like you can look at last year.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, you can look at last year about Hio State
just dominated, absolutely dominated.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
That came well.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I think that's the thing maybe worth exploring, is
that the last two the last time these two teams met,
and granted they are different football teams. Saying wasn't on
that team, I mean he was on the team, but
he was red shirt freshman or excuse me, he was
a true freshman who was red shirt didn't play. He
didn't play, thank you, Kyle, Mendoza wasn't on the football team.
(27:39):
Lots of players are different. So it's it's it's it's
lazy to just be like, these teams played last year
and Ohio State crushed them. M but it's still more
true than it isn't. It's more true than it isn't,
(28:01):
Spike says, but knowing we may see them again in
the playoffs, does Day empty the tank to win this one?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Ohio say it has not won the Big Ten since
twenty nineteen, and Ryan Day knows that.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You could say the same thing with Indiana too. I
mentioned they haven't one that's big.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I'm answering Spikes's question specific Sure, when I say that
Day's not going to hold anything back, I'm just saying
that specifically.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Within there's there's some out dumb outlets out there that
or say, maybe these teams should they should hold back
and uh and rest like does this game really mean anything?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yes, it means it means everything.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because there's a lot of talk about like the Georgia
and Alabama, like does the SEC championship game really mean
anything nowadays? When both of them are going to get
in and this and that, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It really should? It really should? Uh, Esquire asks first,
He says, I bet say, and throws a mean javelin. Sure,
I have no reason to doubt that he could do
that if he wanted to. But then he says, will
we blitz Mendoza. I wonder the way the defense is
(29:25):
operated so far this year is they will selectively blitz,
they will situationally blitz. They they they kind of have
a tendency to like, Oh, we're just gonna we're just
gonna send three guys. Oh we're just gonna send three guys.
Oh we're just gonna send three guys, and then sort
of build the confidence up of the quarterback a little bit,
(29:48):
make them think they can hold the ball a little
bit longer, and then boom, five guys, Yeah, burgers and fries,
Like here comes the blitz, m hm, And so it's.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Ready to do ready to do some slip series here?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Sure? Sure?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
All right?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
All right?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
First question here, Haw State player to watch in this
in this game?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Here? To me, I think I think it's to me,
I think I think it's.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's going to be Julian sand He needs to just
continue being himself that he has been all year, just
the just absolute legend that he is and has been
all year.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Being able to just just.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Move the ball with ease, converting those third downs and
keep keeping those drives alive. There. It's it's going to
come down to Julian say, being able to put the
ball where it needs to go into his playmaker's hands there.
So yeah, I'll go with Julian sand Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
You know, I got saying in Mendoza in the thumb Now,
I'm definitely gonna pick Mendoza on the enemy player to watch. Yeah,
and a lot, And we haven't talked, we haven't touched
on it because I don't. I don't care about the heisman.
Quite frankly, it's not important to me. It's political and
it's people will submit their votes before they even get it.
(31:21):
It's the voting's regional. The heisman is stupid. I don't
really care about it. But according to a lot of people,
the people who do care about it, this game is
not just for the Big ten, it's also for the heisman,
according to some.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So I'm I but I don't. I don't care. I
don't care about the heisman. I'm gonna go Mendoza for
enemy player to watch. But on the Ohio State side,
I'm more concerned about the defense. Well, I state it
will get their points. I don't care how good Indiana
I thinks their defense is Ohio State will get at
worst twenty seven points. This defense is yet to allow
(32:09):
more than seventeen points this year, and does Indiana break that?
Does Indiana put up a new high against this defense?
It's it's legitimately possible. Again, this is the most complete defense,
excuse me, the most complete offense Ohio State has played
all year. It is entirely possible. I've never felt more
(32:30):
concerned that a team is going to score twenty plus
on this defense. So to me, the key is the defense,
and therefore I'm going Caleb Downs.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yep, yeah, Indiana, I mean Mendoza was the I think
the easy, easy choice here, but I'll I think I'll
pick the their safety Lewis Moore six eighty six tackles
five interceptions for for the safety there, sure, I'll pick
(33:06):
him as the Indiana player to watch.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Is he going to is he going to.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Give saying any kind of issues when he's trying to
throw the ball deep or to throw it into specific
coverage that saying things that they may be and too,
So I'll go I'll go with the Lewis Moore for
Indiana player to watch. Uh key matchup for the key matchup. Yeah,
I think, honestly, I know this whole this whole game
(33:38):
has revolved around saying versus Mendoza, but honestly, like it's
the running attack from Indiana that's been really the the
big thing in this this game. Here they they got
too two headed back here, uh him being black that
we discussed before, we mentioned at the start of the
season that that Penn State has has the best dual
(34:03):
running back. Now I also think, I think, uh, athletically
why Penn State still does.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
But if you look in terms of the stats.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Pen uh uh wow, Indiana has the two headed back
monster right now too. So I think it's it's it's
Ohio State's front seven being able to being able to
stop these two running backs because there they may they
may be able to just to try to run run
at Ohio State. Seeing the type of success at times
(34:36):
that that Michigan had against Ohio State, and can they
replicate that with him being black and be able to
get the.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
What were they averaging?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Uh? Or was it here five point five yards per carry?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, I'm going along those same lines. I'm gonna take
a little different focus than you, but along those same lines.
I'm going with the interior of the Indiana offensive line
versus the interior of the Ohio State defensive line. If
(35:17):
Ohio State can stop the easy stuff up the middle
and push the running game to the outsides, where you
know Downs and Reese and of course styles can get
involved and clean stuff up, I think I think it'll
(35:39):
be okay on the running game. But in order to
do that, you have to stop the interior running game.
And so I'm going I think that's maybe as much
the key to the game as anything else. Is Caden McDonald,
who's on a wild streak of dominating right now, Edward Houston,
(36:03):
Will Smith, Junior, Taiwan Malone. That's the matchup I'll be
watching most closely on on Saturday night. By the way,
just real real quick, Uh, the SEC is playing in
(36:23):
the afternoon and the Big tennis playing in primetime.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
That's how That's how it has been.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I that's how it has been for the big tension
for the conference championships. Yes, totally backwards for the regular season.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
The spread Jared Well I see is a five and
a half point favorite against the Hoosiers in this matchup here, Yeah,
is Nope, heat left. So our guest picker, sun Card
did pick a state to cover. So did Jared, and
so did I. Yeah, but what do you have as
(37:05):
the final.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Score, though, Jared?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I have.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Ohio state thirty eight, Indiana twenty thirty eight to twenty
thirty eight to twenty all.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Right, I have Ohio state twenty four. Yeah, you're just
making sure my math. My math's right, twenty four, Indiana seventeen. No, yeah, spikes,
(37:44):
the spikes. That was my pick. You got to pick
something else, these spikes. I said it first.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It's not even the rules. You can't change the rules
just because you don't like the way I'm playing. We
can have this same score.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, all right, awesome, all right, cool.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
You did not get it out before Kyle did. I'm
sure from your perspective, because of stream delay, you did.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
So from your perspective, i'm sure you think that's true.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
We're gon we're gonna go to the tapes. We'll go
to the tapes and look at it.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
The tape. Well, i'm the tape I'm recording. I know
Kyle got it out first, But from Spike's perspective, I'm
sure he legitimately thinks he got it out first, because
from his perspective.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
He did.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Anyway, important thing here is that Indiana blows.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, all right, that is our.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Don't make my mail Conference Championship preview. Got anything else,
any any anything else you want to I want to
mention here before we before we wrap things up.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Don't we have Do we have Austin's over unders?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
We do not.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
We don't thought for sure he did.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Did he put them in there?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Oh? He did. I didn't. I didn't see it. I
did not see him.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Put that in there, Austin. I expect the team, Jared,
when when you go to listen to this, just any okay,
in the slipcats only wherever you want in the discord.
But I just just just drop a single team, Jared O.
I know what it means.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Right here we go rapid fire Tate and JJ cutches
nine and a half over over for me as well,
Aiden Fisher and tackles or I'm sorry, Aiden Fisher tackles
at eight and a half. Who who is the leading
tackle linebacker? Yeah, the leading linebacker tackler.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
For this isn't Hardy?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Uh oh no, no, you're right, Hardy, Yes, yep, I
was too small party.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, it's it's close.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I'm going, I'm going under. I'll go under.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I'll go over, all right, Uh, Reese, Jackson and Curry
Sachs at one point five one. I'm going I'm gonna
go under.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
I'm gonna go over.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yap Uh Mendoza passing yards at two twenty four and
a half.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I'll go I'll go over.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Let's see, they are currently as a team at least
passing at two forty two point seven a game. M hm,
So that's not much below average. So I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
All right, Bo and West rushing yards hundred twenty two
and a half.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
This feels like a passing game. I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, I'm thinking under as well, not by much, I
think both for just over one hundred.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, it's a good number, all right.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
And Hemby and Serat touches.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
The Serat's their second wide receiver, yep to Surat to
their second receiver.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Hemby is their leading rusher in terms of back rushes
and yardage. I'd call him back one a sure sixteen
and a half touches. Yeah, I'll go over. I'll go
over because touches also includes receptions as well.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
For Hemby.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, does he get I don't. I don't have that
in front of me. Does he get a lot of receptions?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I will try to find that real quick.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
I don't right off, I.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Only have his rushing stats in front of me. Sat
is their second leading wide receiver at forty eight total
for the year.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
If I do it receiving, he's down there a little
bit there receiving number rooman Hemby. He has thirteen receptions
for the year. So won a game roughly, Yeah, yep,
(42:39):
I'm still going over.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay, right, and last one is saying completion at seventy
seven point six seven percent.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
We saw one bad drive then we then we saw
say in back on his like after a couple If
he games without his wide receivers, you know, then last
week he's playing in the weather a bit didn't seem
to slow him down too bad. Now we get him
(43:15):
in a dome. We know he has Tate, we know
he has Smith. Yeah, give me the over. He's he's
popping going, He's popping eighty plus this game. He hasn't
popped in eighty I just described to you why he
hasn't popped in eighty in a bit. I know, literally
(43:36):
just said it.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I know, November eighth seventy four, sixty eight percent, and
then last week seventy three percent. I'm going with the
recent numbers here, and I'll go slightly under at like
seventy six percent.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Unlike those three games, he has both of his wide receivers,
and we playing in good weather, which he hasn't had,
which he hasn't got to do since November eighth.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Sure, sure, but he hasn't he hasn't faced a secondary
like this, and.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
This secondary hasn't faced a wide receiver crew or period.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, ever, yeah, yeah, all right, all right, quote, all right,
that is everything on our list here, Jared, all right,
do you have anything in Kyle's corner? I'll just I'll
just reiterate on last episode. Just head on over to
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