December 8, 2025 • 62 mins
Ohio State took its first loss in the Big Ten Championship, getting upset by Indiana. We're diving into the Buckeyes' grades to see what went wrong and where the Hoosiers really stepped up.
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Anchors up sells at full Welcome to the sneak Cast.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Den? All right? How are you doing? Jared?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm gonna answer that question with a question. The first
and foremost good tradition, good tradition. The My answer to
your question with a question is.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Is bere good for a bad throat?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It is not.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Are you sure?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm not sure because I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
There was a point in time in my life in
which I believed, and I and you did too. There's
nothing better for a throat than jager, I mean, and
that's alcohol, right.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Warm tea, warm tea?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
What about beer? Beer is tea? It's it's hot tea. Sure,
this is scientifically accurate, but it want to drink that
warm though, Jared? They do in Ireland, all right, although
that's stout, which is not what I'm drinking.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Another episode here of Jared, Scarlet and grade here a
little bit different as Ohio State, I guess our first
loss of the year for in the Big Ten Conference
championship to Indiana, uh, right down to the wire there.
I think I had it being a one score game
as well, just not not the way that I thought
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it was going to be here, and yeah, I mean,
you just got to give hats off to Indiana. They
just just overall they just played better than the Ohios
Ohio State. Here my my initial thoughts here, and we'll
get to the grading here. Indiana converted third downs when
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they needed to. In Ohio State didn't correct, and Indiana
was able to extend drives. And there was a period
of time that Indiana just had the ball so much
longer than Ohio State and in Ohio State just couldn't
really do much. It's especially on the in the ground game.
They're able to able to figure something out as the
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second half went along. But yeah, just a little too late,
too to a little too late. And I think what
hurts me the most in this game here, Jared, what
hurts me the most is those two drives in the
second half. They're twelve plays, seventy yards seven minutes in
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a fifteen play eighty one yards eight minute drives, zero points.
To me, that's what hurt me the most. Not so
much the not not the interceptions, not the number, not
the not the field goal in the red zone, not
the punts. It's it was those two drives right there
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that that really just hurt me because those are those
were the drives a house stage just absolutely just dominated
on that. They just executed so well all your.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Stuart, although one was not sufficient.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah. So yeah, I mean, got hats off to Indiana.
It's such a great defense. Confused staying confused. Ohio State
coaches offensively, but the defense played played pretty well too. Yeah.
I think they should have been able to stop them
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on on third downs at times there.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Indiana has the they were the number one ranked offense
in the country and teen points.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I'm not going to rip the defense.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
No, I'm not either. No, I'm not either. The one
downside to the defense, though, is that third downs is
not is not holding Indiana down on those third downs.
They ended up going six for thirteen, say seven for
thirteen with the one for one fourth downs there. That's
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that's tough. That's tough to swallow. Sure, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I know, I just I mean, it sucks. You wanted
to win the Big Ten. Oh, I say, doesn't won
the Big Ten in now six years yep, six years now,
And that sucks. It's this isn't this isn't Trestle's Big
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Ten anymore. Is one thing I think people need to
settle with. The Big Ten is so much better now
than it was twenty years ago. It's the best conference,
at least at the top in the country. SEC is deeper,
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I'll acknowledge that, but at the top, I mean the
playoff committee really just cemented that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
What was is.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Four five, three of the top five in the final
playoff committee, we're Big ten teams.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I think so Oregon came fifth, right, yeah, because Ole
Miss was sixth. So yes, yes, at the top. The
Big Ten's the best conference in the country right now,
and winning it is tough, and it's going to continue
to be tough, and in the age of nil because
everyone can pay players now, and in the age of
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the transfer portal where there is no more oversigning, because
everyone can oversign now because there's one hundred and there's
no more scholarship cap. There's just a roster cap, so
effectively you have one hundred and five scholarships. When a
player wants to leave, they leave. Over Signing is irrelevant now.
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Every one pays players now. The SEC's unfair advantages that
they were able to roll on for so many years
are gone now and now the Big Ten gets to
use its unfair advantages of the fact that the North
has money that most of the South doesn't have. There's
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not a lot of money in Arkansas and Ole miss
and a lot of these southern states. It's going to
be more difficult to pay players when the budget has
gone up, because if everyone can pay players, the budget
goes up. And I just say all of this to
say Big ten's the conference now. Period. The Big Ten
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is the conference now. And you know, we'll talk more
about the playoffs later this week. I think we'll we'll
do a Collegiate Chaos on Thursday or Wednesday or something,
so we'll talk more about the playoff during during that time.
Right now, we're just gonna talk about Ohio State in Indiana.
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And the fact of the matter is is that while
I still believe Ohio State is the better team, they
didn't execute. They did not execute on the key plays
such as and and it's execution, but it's also play calling.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, well let's let's let's let's get into the report
card and we can go more in depth out into it.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
But just to put a bow on like the game
in general, it basically came down to two plays, which
was a missed field goal, which is what it is.
And a decision to sneak the ball when it was
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a yard and a half. That's a long distance for
a snake. You change the outcome of those two plays,
you win this football game, and that's football. Your margin
of error o High State was the better team, is
the better team in my belief. But the margin of
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error against Indiana, who is also very very good, was
very very thin. And Ohio State made too many mistakes
and the weren't able to overcome them.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yep, all right, let's get into it all right. First off,
talking to offense game plan, I'm gonna say D. I'm
gonna say D. Honestly, there's I liked some of the
plays I saw on the passing side there, But what
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the hell is the coaches doing running third teen personnel
that much? I can understand from time understand, but as
much as they did, which essentially means that you're taking
out you're taking out Carnel Tate, you're taking out Brandon Innis,
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and at times you took out Jeremiah Smith as well,
like get your best players on the field there, right,
there was way way too much thirteen personnel in that game,
and any and any time that they were in thirteen personnel,
they didn't do well. I don't I don't have the
exact numbers in front of.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You, but the I've seen the numbers floating around and
they're devastating. It's bad, It's really bad. But then when
Jeremiah and Carnell are on the field positive positive yardage.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Why lesson?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Listen, Sometimes you lose a game, and sometimes you have
to learn a lesson from losing that game. And the
lesson learned that that needs to be learned from this
game is essentially just feed your wide receivers. And that's
not to say a band in the running game by
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any means, but maybe the strategy when you have this
crew of wide receivers and you have this insanely accurate quarterback,
maybe your run strategy shouldn't be to go heavy and
try to ram the ball down people's throats, but rather
spread them out. We were watching the game together in
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the social screen in the Discord server on the social screen,
and one of the things I was pointing out was
your best blocker down in the red zone was Jeremiah Smith.
Your best blocker in the red zone is Jeremiah Smith? Why?
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Because when he's all when you're on one hash and
he's all the way over damn near the sidelines on
the other side of the field, the safety has to
kind of go over there too, effectively taking the safety
out of the play. The game run the ball by
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spreading them ount. I don't mind that they tried the
thirteen personnel. I don't try all of I don't mind
all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I am.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So I'm gonna go like a see, I'm going to, however,
slam them for not moving away from it. In the
next category.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, yeah, And and game coaching, I'm gonna say enough.
I'll say enough because of exactly what you said, Jared.
They kept sticking with it like it was just just
a it was like the stubborn Ryan Day from the
Michigan game last year, just kept trying the same thing
over and over again. And it's like, no, like, you're
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you're playing to Indiana's strength there, And I understand at
times they're oha State's offensive line. I'll just leave it
at that. The offensive line struggled, and I understand, okay,
getting some more bigger bodies in there, but like, what
are you going to do when you only have one
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wide receiver? Out there, like being able to run a
more deep up route there, right.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I just didn't like it, No, it was it was puzzling.
And you know they they made a switch on the
offensive line later in the game that I should have
just been how they started the game.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Ye, curious if that's going to be the same in
what three and a half weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's not the first time that Gabe van Sickle was
plugged into a game, and he clearly performs better, So
I don't know why he hasn't been starting the past
few weeks. Quite frankly, Yeah, all right, quarterbacks, they Vansickle
is a clear upgrade.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, all right. Quarterback Jared I on on the stats
here saying didn't do wasn't that bad? Seventy two percent
against this kind of defense here? Two fifty eight yards
one touchhdowt win interception here? Is that wise? He wasn't
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that bad? But there was times he definitely was confused.
This was the first time, yeah, I think saying was
had to think a lot more. And again it's just
the level of competition. Yeah, and he took him a
little bit to get to But those two drivers in
the in the second half, really I think just in
the second half. In general, he he did really well.
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He's starting to be able to figure the defense out
and was making the right the right throws there. It
just took a little bit longer than what we're accustomed
to seeing, SAYD So I'll say, I say, like a
C plus. I'll say like a C plus for me, again,
just expectations from what I've seen from from saying here.
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Definitely definitely not. I think it was definitely his worst
game overall, not not just the stats, but just in general,
reading the defense and and all that too.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, I mean, so what did you say, see a
C plus. I'm gonna I'm putting this more on the
coaches personally, and I know you are too. I don't
mean to suggest otherwise, but I'm gonna be I'm gonna
be more lenient here. I'm gonna go just like a be.
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He struggled, for sure. He is still a freshman, a
right heart freshman, but he's still a freshman. And I
feel like his coaching staff failed him more than anything else.
It was. It was a tough week. In all fairness
to the staff, heartline maybe a bit preoccupied. Ohio Sate
clearly put everything into beating Michigan this. You know, I'm
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not trying to make excuses here by any means, but like, hi,
everything in Columbus if you're Ryan Day, and you know,
every conversation he has had since winning the national title
was congrats on wishing winning the national title. But you
got to go beat Michigan now. You got to go
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beat Michigan now. And Ohio State built their entire season
around going and beating Michigan. This year pays off, but
then there's kind of a letdown afterwards. And meanwhile, Indiana
played Perdue last week and that's an advantage, it's not
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a giant advantage. But then you also have like recruiting
because we apparently it's a good idea to have National
Signing Day in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So dumb, so dumb. They got to change that. They
have got changed. What the was.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Wrong with February? What was wrong in February. So you
have all these coaches and the reason, the reason you have,
the reasons don't matter because the reasons are bad. Quite frankly,
you have a situation in which coaches are being hired
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and fired and interviewing for jobs. You have teams preparing
for their conference championship games. And you have players signing
documents that will determine, you know, the path they're going
to be on for at least the next year, if
not more. And we're all going to cram all of
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that into one week.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah. I don't want to go too deep into this
because we're gonna spend too much time on this here.
But it's they wanted this early signing and so that
and so that these players can earlier enroll in January
to the program. That's that is the reason why, right.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But the problem was is that it became an optional
thing that players could do two right, a mandatory thing
that was expected of players to do immediately. Like there
wasn't even a warming suiot there.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Ye, all right, let's let's move on to run blocking here, Jared,
what would you great? I'll let you. I'll let you start.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It probably like a D.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I was thinking D minus. I was thinking D minus.
And only because they finally gotten things figure it out
in the in the second half there when if I'm
looking at the if I'm looking at the the numbers here,
Actually they didn't really do all that that one in
each head.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Actually they had one good drive where they were running
the ball well, and that was about it.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And that was that second long drive in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Runs but only when we caught them off guard. Spikes.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, two point six yards, one yard, one point four
yards and four point three yards per rush. We were
running the beach quarter.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
We were running the ball well when Indiana was expecting
us to throw the ball. Yeah, maybe a lesson to
be learned for the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
In pass blocking. I think I'm gonna say I'll say enough, Yeah,
say enough like you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, there we go. That's that. That was a piss
poor performance from the pass blocking.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Every everybody is not just one player.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Including Julian Sayan, including the tight ends, including the running backs.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yes, we'll just including that, including the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
All right, running running whenever Bo was able to get.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The ball, he I thought he did space yea, so.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He averaged five yards of carry. Well. Wes West struggled
a little bit there. He had one, he had one
decent run, but then ow the the other two were
just bad. But to carry against this defense.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But the one time Isaiah West actually had an opportunity
where he wasn't immediately engulfed, he looked good.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, so I'll say running, I'll say B. I'll say B.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I'm actually gonna leave it at an A because they
just weren't getting any assistance from when they had an
opportunity to run, they ran. Well, yeah, it's just that
the blocking was never there.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
All right, receiving whenever they threw the ball. I didn't
really have any issues with the receivers.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, I'll say this, and I think some of this
is on Saane, and I think some of this is
on the coaching. I would say most of it's probably
on Sayane in the coaching saying was having trouble finding
open receivers. Now, without being able to view the twenty
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two's the game film, I can't say for certain how
often was the case of saying not finding them and
how often was the case of their just not being
anyone open. Sure, I know there was at least one
play in which Ennis was running down the field by
himself and why just didn't find him. I don't know
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how common that was. You know, that's not information on
the receivers. That's not on the receivers in those cases.
But I'm saying there were a lot of situations and
would say and didn't find an open receiver, and without
having from the TV angle, which is all we have
right now, from the TV angle, I can't tell you
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at a high level of certainty you know where the
receiver is not getting open or we're saying not finding them.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I'll stick with a B.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, there's just I'm I'm mostly just uncertain because I
just don't know if I have the information available to
me to make sure decision right now. But I'll say
a B plus.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
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Speaker 1 (23:38):
All right, Spike says, I wonder how much was say
in tunnel visioning and predetermining and predetermined targeting.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Hard.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, it's with without the twenty two's, it's hard to tell.
But a young quarterback who was seeing defenses he hadn't
seen before and getting more pass rush than he's had
all season, that's a thing that very well could have happened.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Sure, all right. Drives and conversions, Uh, who is this
f across the board? I mean one over State was
over four in the first half and then was one
for seven going into the fourth quarter. You can cannot
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win football games.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Okay, that's what But that's that's not that's not the
most devastating drives off versions, Yeah, and then no, no,
that's not the most devastating.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And it was the fourth being for one on fourth downs.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Traditionally, Kyle, in drives and conversions, we've also included red
zone statistics.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
In this red zone.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
They entered the red zone four times and scored once.
They entered the red zone four times and scored once.
Was it scored once or got one touchdown? I I
forget what were the numbers on that, Kyle?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Do you have that? Was it?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Io State red zone? Two for four? They were two
for four.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
One for four four untouchdowns two for score on two
for four unscoring correct? Yes, Uh, I don't know if
we go across the do we go across the board
on this or just.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Say d uh? I mean I would say d.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'll say, I'll say n F.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, that's fine. And an explosiveness. I actually haven't looked
Jared at explosives for Ohio State here. So if I
looked at their big plays here, uh, five plays of
fifteen plus yards and two rushes of ten or more yards,
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it's for this kind of defense here, it's it's okay.
You would like to get it's okay. So because it's okay,
I'll say a C.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, you have to consider the defense they're playing. I'd
say ultimately the biggest problem would be.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I think it's the rushing on the rushing side. Only
being able to get two plays of going ten or
more yards, That's that's tough.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
What was Cartnell Tate's longest reception twenty yards that's bad. Yeah,
that's no, I'm not putting that on tape. For the record,
that's not me slamming Tate. That's me slamming the offense
as a whole.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
All right. What do you give grading goard explosiveness?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Probably like a C.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Plug all right, and I give a C in a
C for chat. All right. I'm gonna quickly move into
the defense here. Uh, defensively again, you held Indiana, who's
one of the top offensive teams in the country in
a variety of stats, including points per game, and you
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held them to thirteen yards. You Heldza, yeah, thirteen points. Yeah,
you held Mendoza in check for most of the game.
And we'll go more into all the all them here.
So I think overall, I think the defense was did
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what they did what they needed to do for the
most part. So I'll say b I say he as
a for the game plan, I.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Think you're I think it's an a personally, especially I'm
gonna I'm gonna be a little bit harsher on in
game coaching. But as far as starting the game, you know,
you hold them to no touchdowns in the first half,
you hold them to six points in the first half,
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You know again, considering this is the number one offense
in the country, I felt like they did really good
early on against Indiana. Okay, and the way, as far
as the defense is concerned, the three first quarter points
that Indiana had the offense handed to them.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Sure, yeah. In game coaching, I'm gonna say I'll say
a C. There you could tell you could tell which
players because there's two players in particular that Indiana was
going after when they were passing the ball, especially on
third down, they knew, they knew who to attack. Okay, yeah,
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there's two players, Yeah, who to attack? And can they
give earn third downs? Six for thirteen on third downs?
They that's on the coaches for not getting getting them
more help. So I'll say a C.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, I feel like Indiana did a much better job
coming out of the half on both sides of the ball,
did Indiana. Yeah, Indiana just seemed much more prepared in
the second half, don't. I don't think it's quite as
bad as a See again, you held the best offense
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in the country statistically, speaking to thirteen points, I'm not
gonna In fact, I probably go like a B plus,
but I am going to grade this one a little
more harshly.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, right, tackling. I I don't really recall any any
big issues with tackling overall. I mean, black Wood black
had himself a pretty good game running the ball, and
he ran with some force and so he was able
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to get a couple of extra yards. But it wasn't
really a tackling issue because there wasn't really really any
like mistackles or anything. So I think did a pretty
good job. So I'll say like an a minus.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Uh, I think I I'm just gonna just gonna second
what you said.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, all right, and a minus for chat as well.
All right, run stop. You held Indiana thirty four rushing attempts.
That's a lot one hundred and eighteen yards three and
a half yards per per carry. There, that's on paper.
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That's that's not bad. That's not bad at.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
All for Kyle will was Indiana's what was Indiana stats
coming into the game. Let's say, one of the top
five rushing teams in the country by most metrics, by
most statistical measurements.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
They were let's see here, I am zooming in real quick. Whoops, sorry, Jared.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
You're fine.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Let's say rushing rushing, rushing, They were number nine in
the country with two twenty three yards per game, and
you held them to how many yards did?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I say a little over one hundred?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So half that almost half was What about the per
carry five point five and you held them to three
three point five?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, that's the last performance.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, I'll say hey, yeah, I'll say, hey, I'm going.
I'm going.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Plus, I don't I don't feel like we should just
immediately docs in a docs doc, a full letter off
of every grade just because they lost the game.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I said no, no, no, no, no no no, I'm not
saying you are. I'm I'm just saying like, I don't
think that. I don't think the fact that this game
was a loss versus a win means we should like
just blanket downgrade all the grades. That's all.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Pass rush Kateen, Curry and McDonald had had themselves a
spectacular game, especially early on, especially early on. I'm going
to give an a as well for the pass rush.
I was. I was really, I was really impressed with
with the defensive line getting to the quarterback. I mean,
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I mean, Curry set the tone from the first snap there,
from the first snap. Yeah, I'm you can hear you
gotta tip you gotta tip your hat off, Tim and
doze being able to day and and and do well
and do well.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, So a couple of thoughts on that one. He
is the most awkward like pocket scrambler I've ever seen
in my life. He's also an incredibly awkward talker, but
we're gonna leave that off the podcast. Just very phony,
but again we're gonna leave that off the podcast. There's
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zero chance in hell that Indiana did a concussion test
on him. Yeah, his brain got rattled hard on that
Curry hit. He left the play, He left the game
for one play. Zero chance in hell they did any
concussion testing on him. Now, and to Indiana's defense, he
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looked fine for the rest of the game. He didn't
play concussed for the rest of the game. But correct
if you saw the way. But I just made a
brand new gift of that hit. I watched that play
in slow motion about as because when you go and
you do the editing to make a new gift like that,
you end up watching like the play and then all
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the replays like thirty times. Just as you're like fine
tuning the editing. His head whipped nasty. There's zero excuse
for him not getting concussion testing on the sideline. And
I'm not gonna step because I wanted him out of
the game or because I wanted.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I was going to say, don't get us wrong, don't
get us wrong, right that this want him the game
to compete.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
This is this is someone who has had like concussions
in his life and like takes concussions seriously like that.
This isn't me talking as an Ohio State fan. I'm
not saying Mendoza was or wasn't concussed. I'm saying there's
zero excuse for the fact that he Indiana did no testing.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
All right, All right, let's move a little quicker here.
So past coverage, I I gotta say, see, I'll say, see,
there were times that they did well. Now other times
its special on third downs that it was just pitiful.
So I'll be in the middle there. See.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I think that's a I think that's a good way
of saying it. I think overall they did fine as
a pass coverage unit, but we're not clutch when the
moments mattered, like on third downs. As Kyle said, Indiana
is the one that came through more often than not
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so I will also say.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
See A right, impact plays, Jared.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
They had a lot of impact plays, lots of past breakups,
got an interception, a bunch of sacks, a bunch of
hits on the quarterback, wrecking ball. Impact play is probably
like an A plus.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah I was, I'll say an A. Yeah, I'll say I was,
say an A for this one. Yeah, very defense to
what they needed to do. We'll just keep it that simple.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Both the Cadens were beast. I know that you're talking
about McDonald by the way you spelled it spikes, but
both of the Cadens were beasts.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, all right, stops, all right, this is where I'm
going to give stops a D.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, six for this is where that lack
of clutch really comes into play.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Six for thirteen and one for one on fourth downs.
That's got to get off the field. Got to get
off the field there. So, and credit to Indiana being
able to to diagnose and see where they can attack
the weakest link or links on the defense there So,
you got gotta give credit to them. So I'm going
to say D.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I think the D is a little harsh, and I
hear what you're saying about the third downs, and I
think that's valid, but I think we also have to
take into consideration red zones, and Ohio State's defense came
in clutch in the red zone several occasions. Again they
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were Indiana was gifted a fuel goal, but defense worked
to make that fuel goal a field goal. Ohio State
forced another field goal that was missed. Both teams had
short field goal misses in this game. That should also
be noted because I know I was talking about Ohio
State missing a field goal earlier. Well, Indiana also missed
a short field goal.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I would agree. I would agree with you, Jared, if
the third downs were like third and third and two,
third and three, that's the average they averaged on third
downs and third down distance to go over six yards average. Now, House,
I know we're talking about the defense, but Ohio State
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offensively was worse. They were averaging seven and a half
yards to go on third downs. Yikes.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, all right, Which is why, which is why I
was a little bit more lenient on saying and a
little bit more harsh on the coaching because they kept
insisting on throwing three tight ends out there and running
the ball, putting saying in must must, pass must pass
situations on third and longs on such a consistent basis.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Sure, all right, and don't breaks.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
And by the way, both coaching staffs did that. I
just want to state that, for the record, both coaching
staffs were insanely insistent on establishing a run game that
was not there. Both teams would have benefited greatly by
throwing the ball a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Holy crap, Jared, I just real line. Oh no, no,
that's that's different. Never mind all right. And last one, Jared,
is don't break.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And it didn't have many like big plays.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
They had a total of.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
There was like a third and short that they got
a big play on, but it's really they remember, Yeah,
they had four long four past plays of fifteen or
more yards and only two rushes of ten or more yards. Now,
the one rush was right at the.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, it wasn't the beginning the game, but it was.
It was in the first quarter though, where Black ran
off for like thirty five or so yards. Then, right, yeah,
and Mendoza only held Yeah, like I said, four times
of being able to pass the ball fifteen or more yards.
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So I think don't break was it was pretty good,
especially against this defense here.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
So i'll the fifty one yarder is is ways havy though, Yeah,
that's tough.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And then and then their last big play was the
you can pretty much called out when this the the uh,
the silencer, the game killer. When Mendoza just threw that
up for that first down on on that third and
third and five or third and six, it was that
that was that was the clutch throw there by Mendozo. Yeah,
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so I'll say b, let's say b.
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Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oops, wrong one in game coaching.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Overall, in game coaching out gosh again, I'll say on
average here, I'll say, I guess it's like a C
C plus. So I say, I say C plus.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay, I think I'll go like A yeah, I think
that's fair.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Okay, all right, motivation and effort.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I think there was a motivation. I don't know if
there was a motivation issue. I really I started to
talk myself out of that. I I don't know, how
about that. How about me just saying I don't know
that that breaks all the podcast rules, But that's just
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kind of how I feel. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I think the effort efforts there. I think the effort
was there. My motivation maybe, sorry, go ahead, I'll say
the efforts definitely there. I just yeah, it was hard
seeing the motivation because you didn't really see anybody. You
didn't see that the fire in people's eyes. You didn't
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you didn't see them on this, at least from the
broadcast that we saw. Maybe I don't Maybe there was.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I don't know, I don't know if that's I'd say
there's a lot of passion, at least on the defensive side.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, so I'll I'll say be I'll say be h
overall overall execution, I man, this is this is this
is tough because offensively, offensively, well, defensively they executed pretty well. Yeah.
(43:54):
But then offensively, yeah, offensively there was a lot of
execution issues, lot of questionable formations and play calling as well.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Well that's that's that's that's coaching. That's not execution.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Sure, so us I'll say like a C plus. Okay,
all right, discipline is our next grading here. Uh, I'll say,
only only two penalties in this game, two penalties for
twenty yards? Pretty good? Pretty good here, So I'll say
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an A for a discipline.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
No, that's fine, I'm okay with that. Also, just don't
have a strong opinion.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
All right, special teams, all right, before before anybody says anything, yes, yeah,
we know Fielding, we know Fielding missed the field goal.
But let's not I know he wasn't. Let's not put
the entire blame on Fielding. Should have made that. Absolutely, absolutely,
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you should have made that.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
That is surprisingly tough kick from that.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Fielding is not the reason Ohio State lost. Fielding is
not he is. He is a result. No, you could
group a group effort. It was a group effort of
the team losing this game, not because fielding missed a
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short field goal. Listen.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I must say this because people maybe who don't understand
a right footed kicker. And you can blame Brian Day
for this or Brian Hartline for this if you want to,
for putting him in this position a right footed kicker.
We saw that the Indiana kicker do the same thing.
By the way, a right footed kicker kicking that close
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from the right hash is a difficult kick. I know
it's close, and I know that they should make it,
and you don't see it in the NFL because the
hashes are a lot close. In the NFL, the hashes
line up with the goalposts, which makes that kick a
hell of a lot easier for NFL kickers. Yep, if
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you don't know that when you're running a college kicker,
those hashes are outside of the goalpost. That is a
tough kick. Again, we saw the Indiana kicker earlier in
the game basically miss the same kick. I am coming
to fieldings of defense on this.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, and looking at the other side like McGuire
had maybe his best punting of the season. Yeah, and
he had all three All three of his punts were
inside the twenty. That's what you needed, That's what you
need from your punter, and that really helped. That really helped.
Ahouse stayed out so that this game could have been
(46:57):
a lot worse if he had his typical punning average
here but still out. I'll say I'll say A, say
like A, I don't know, C plus, say C plus
for special teams as the one should Yeah, all right,
turnovers each team had one. I mean I don't consider yeah,
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I don't consider the the loss of downs a turnover,
but so one one each one interception for each team.
There the benefit was a state got three points out
of their their turnover that they got and Indiana didn't
get any for these what Yeah, they didn't get any point.
(47:47):
No they did. They did to get a touchdown. They No,
we got the touchdown. They got three points. That's what
it was. Sorry, Yes, we got a touchdown. They got
three points. So we benefited off of our turn over
Indiana turnover then then the other way around. So I'll
say B. I'll say B. Just because of.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
That, I'll say I'll keep it looking, I'll say A minus.
You got you said it. You got there eventually, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
All right, overall offense, overall offense here, I'll say C minus.
I'll say C minus. And if this was not Indiana
and it was a different team, I would have given
an F here.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
So I'll say I'll say C minus.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, No, that's fair, said minus. Actually the hell am
I doing?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
What would you great?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Jared? I don't know. I'm just struggling with the keyboard
at the moment. The you know, this font does something
weird with the season, the minuses. It's been bugging me
all season. I'm not using this font again next year,
if there is a next year. But that's a different conversation. Yeah, uh,
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offense that you know what kind of I think you?
I think you said it. I'm gonna make it just
a regular see, not because I disagree with you, but
because I don't because of the font.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Alright and deep end see it says chat as well
and defensively, I'm just kind of looking down. They did fine. Say,
I'll say, other the other than this stops really other
than the the stops the third down specifically, Yes, that's
what it was because I feel like they did the
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defense pretty good.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Zone.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, the defense did pretty good. So I'll say B.
I'll say B thirteen thirteen points led up. Yeah, I'll
say B.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I'm gonna a minus, all right, and.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
We got a B plus all right, and overall, he
it's a tale of two of two sides of the ball.
There defensively did their job. The offense did not. So
I'll say I'll say C plus. You were just you
were like a couple play. I think Jared said that
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at the beginning of the episode. You're just a couple
plays away. There's a couple plays that could have turned
the turn the game over and we'd be talking about
it seventeen to thirteen Buckeye victory here for all we know.
So I'll say C plus.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Like, and I'm not saying the replay was wrong, because
it wasn't. Uh sayan was clearly short. But if they
just like, don't run that replay.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Oh hi, I say they've done that before. They've done
that before, sure, but.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
You understand what I'm saying. Yeah, if if they they don't,
if they don't buzz down for that replay, Ohio State
might win this game. That's I think that's simple. I
really honestly think it's that simple. Yeah, and again I'm
not saying that the replay booth was wrong to do that.
(51:09):
I think they were very clearly right to do that.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
But yeah, oh well, point is I think I think
the walk I think the walk away lesson here is
that you're still in the playoff. Playoff committee only drops
a high of state one spot. We'll talk about the
playoff in more in more detail later this week, but
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playoff committee, I think did a lot of right things
in general. Among those correct right things was only dropping
Ohio state one spot. Now, the way the the bracket
shook out, that would rather have been dropped the third
I think Georgia has a much easier Yes, I'd rather
(51:57):
play Old Miss than either Texas A and M or Miami. Yeah,
and it doesn't even bring in the fact that that
Georgia could theoretically play too Lane instead. I don't know
what's wrong with the bracketing system and why the third
seed got such a better draw. I think I'll Miss
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just shouldn't have been ranked sixth. Quite frankly, I think
it's probably the I think Texas A and M is.
I think Texas A and M, in my opinion, is
better than Georgia, I think, and Georgia won the SEC
and they should be ranked where they are. I'm not
saying otherwise, I think is legitimately. I would, I honestly
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would put Texas A and M either fifth or sixth.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I mean you say that this the second the second
spot there is the is the tough draw, second year
in a row. The number one spot is in a
tough draw there like.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
System was broken last year and we are and they
fixed it for a reason, the whole the whole conference
champions automatically get the buy was a mistake from the beginning,
and they corrected that. Just just think of Kyle. Under
last year's system, Ohio State would be ranked sixth.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yes, Indiana plays Alabama or oklare fifth. That's tough, that
would be ranked fifth. Yeah, anything else shared anything.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I think Oklahoma sucks quite frankly, I don't think Oklahoma
is all that good.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
But whatever, we'll talk about that more later. That's that's
that's for that's for later in the week.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
No, I think I'm good, and I'm probably gonna lose
my voice here in a second anyway, So.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
All right, Well, I'll finish. I'll finish off then Jared,
with that Kyle's corner, Caleb Downs wins the lot Impact Trophy.
For those that do not know, the Loft Impact Trophy
is for it's pretty much like for on and off
the field excellence. Yes, it is a national award. Yes,
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it's on and off the field excellent. And he was
it was finalist and obviously he won it. Here, I'm
trying to look real quick of.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Whose legs is asking for a very specific reason if
you didn't catch that guy?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yes, oh no, I know, I know it is. Yes, yes, yeah,
I think I think Alabama. I think there was an
Alabama player as well too, that one you see. It
was a Georgia player, Ohio State player, Miami player, and
a Texas Tech player. So all that made the made
(54:58):
the playoffs. There were finals here and Caleb Down's and
up out of wind there. So congrats to him. And
that's it. Jared, Well, we'll leave it that that.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Okay, I change of the on on on screen gift.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Oh for a reason, such a hit.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Oh, it's I'm making it bigger. I'm making it bigger.
Screw this, I'll cover me because covering Kyle feels rude.
There's no way he shouldn't have gone through concussion testing.
Zero chance in hell he should not have gone through
concussion testing. That head whip is nasty. There's zero chances
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his brain didn't rattle in there for a second. That's
all I'm saying. Oh, and now I'm breaking everything. Everyone's
seeing all of the layers of the thing. All right,
there we go, put that back in its place.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
All right.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I might get demonetized for that. Actually, now that I
think about it, I should maybe you know, Actually, hey,
it's probably fine. Script it's all black and white and
I cut it, so maybe it's fine. I don't know.
We'll find out. Tonight's ending music Rocky by the Sidekicks.
There a band out of Cleveland. I think it's Cleveland.
(56:18):
If it's not, I apologize. So with all that being said,
I'd like to encourage ever to drinking for here, less
of clips and of course mort level podcasters. Let's get
inside side Kicks.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
I tried to get to know that Steve.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
Couldn't really access Sonny.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Those thoughts starts as a childhood familiar feel, and.
Speaker 5 (56:50):
It all just gets lost and long.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Foughts Like every gigantic Cross. It's made by the same
gigantic White Cross company. He and I think about that
because I'm from the Midwest and I have a vague
interest in the art of market corner. Hey, maybe someday
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he'll have a baby.
Speaker 5 (57:31):
Same way we were bad being. Who isn't that shit crazy?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (57:44):
I think in these terms late lease, happiness comes in ours.
Distraction is a day. Lovers deserve flower.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
Love is just a phrase.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
That I invented somewhere around Summit Avenue.
Speaker 6 (58:24):
I'm in love with the idea of you.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Started searching form of my story, followed jazzon that man.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
At the center of all the plots with.
Speaker 6 (59:03):
Ohhead, there's her character again.
Speaker 5 (59:10):
But if I rearrange the story or magnify what I see,
who recks acute to freeze frame.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Moments?
Speaker 4 (59:31):
Chin just be so if happiness comes in ours, it
looks like it gets that time again for me. Gravestone
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deserve flower, Lommers deserve poetry.
Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
It all crafted cleverly.
Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
I'll be sung in kive Jim.
Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
To give a moment some clarity to you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
We'll poly say it, moms like, let's say it's like.
Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
A picture and a friend.
Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
The cloud before the rant, the rumbling of the train
before the tracks abruptly in.
Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
It's the car before it quits on Wait your first
day or it was the last day of school. Still
feeling the cool of the air through your patents in Monroe.
Here on the blown sung waer mumbling some sung truth.
Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
It was your daily rock block with Jimmy.
Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
Joni and jam It's been coming cow.
Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
As born your chorus just be bardy engines.
Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Like cow, barn, job.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Cow or job coming home, cow, war show coun
Anchors up sells at full Welcome to the sneak Cast.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Den? All right? How are you doing? Jared?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm gonna answer that question with a question. The first
and foremost good tradition, good tradition. The My answer to
your question with a question is.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Is bere good for a bad throat?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It is not.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Are you sure?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm not sure because I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
There was a point in time in my life in
which I believed, and I and you did too. There's
nothing better for a throat than jager, I mean, and
that's alcohol, right.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Warm tea, warm tea?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
What about beer? Beer is tea? It's it's hot tea. Sure,
this is scientifically accurate, but it want to drink that
warm though, Jared? They do in Ireland, all right, although
that's stout, which is not what I'm drinking.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Another episode here of Jared, Scarlet and grade here a
little bit different as Ohio State, I guess our first
loss of the year for in the Big Ten Conference
championship to Indiana, uh, right down to the wire there.
I think I had it being a one score game
as well, just not not the way that I thought
(02:13):
it was going to be here, and yeah, I mean,
you just got to give hats off to Indiana. They
just just overall they just played better than the Ohios
Ohio State. Here my my initial thoughts here, and we'll
get to the grading here. Indiana converted third downs when
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they needed to. In Ohio State didn't correct, and Indiana
was able to extend drives. And there was a period
of time that Indiana just had the ball so much
longer than Ohio State and in Ohio State just couldn't
really do much. It's especially on the in the ground game.
They're able to able to figure something out as the
(02:58):
second half went along. But yeah, just a little too late,
too to a little too late. And I think what
hurts me the most in this game here, Jared, what
hurts me the most is those two drives in the
second half. They're twelve plays, seventy yards seven minutes in
(03:23):
a fifteen play eighty one yards eight minute drives, zero points.
To me, that's what hurt me the most. Not so
much the not not the interceptions, not the number, not
the not the field goal in the red zone, not
the punts. It's it was those two drives right there
(03:43):
that that really just hurt me because those are those
were the drives a house stage just absolutely just dominated
on that. They just executed so well all your.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Stuart, although one was not sufficient.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah. So yeah, I mean, got hats off to Indiana.
It's such a great defense. Confused staying confused. Ohio State
coaches offensively, but the defense played played pretty well too. Yeah.
I think they should have been able to stop them
(04:20):
on on third downs at times there.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Indiana has the they were the number one ranked offense
in the country and teen points.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I'm not going to rip the defense.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
No, I'm not either. No, I'm not either. The one
downside to the defense, though, is that third downs is
not is not holding Indiana down on those third downs.
They ended up going six for thirteen, say seven for
thirteen with the one for one fourth downs there. That's
(05:00):
that's tough. That's tough to swallow. Sure, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I know, I just I mean, it sucks. You wanted
to win the Big Ten. Oh, I say, doesn't won
the Big Ten in now six years yep, six years now,
And that sucks. It's this isn't this isn't Trestle's Big
(05:28):
Ten anymore. Is one thing I think people need to
settle with. The Big Ten is so much better now
than it was twenty years ago. It's the best conference,
at least at the top in the country. SEC is deeper,
(05:51):
I'll acknowledge that, but at the top, I mean the
playoff committee really just cemented that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
What was is.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Four five, three of the top five in the final
playoff committee, we're Big ten teams.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I think so Oregon came fifth, right, yeah, because Ole
Miss was sixth. So yes, yes, at the top. The
Big Ten's the best conference in the country right now,
and winning it is tough, and it's going to continue
to be tough, and in the age of nil because
everyone can pay players now, and in the age of
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the transfer portal where there is no more oversigning, because
everyone can oversign now because there's one hundred and there's
no more scholarship cap. There's just a roster cap, so
effectively you have one hundred and five scholarships. When a
player wants to leave, they leave. Over Signing is irrelevant now.
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Every one pays players now. The SEC's unfair advantages that
they were able to roll on for so many years
are gone now and now the Big Ten gets to
use its unfair advantages of the fact that the North
has money that most of the South doesn't have. There's
(07:22):
not a lot of money in Arkansas and Ole miss
and a lot of these southern states. It's going to
be more difficult to pay players when the budget has
gone up, because if everyone can pay players, the budget
goes up. And I just say all of this to
say Big ten's the conference now. Period. The Big Ten
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is the conference now. And you know, we'll talk more
about the playoffs later this week. I think we'll we'll
do a Collegiate Chaos on Thursday or Wednesday or something,
so we'll talk more about the playoff during during that time.
Right now, we're just gonna talk about Ohio State in Indiana.
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And the fact of the matter is is that while
I still believe Ohio State is the better team, they
didn't execute. They did not execute on the key plays
such as and and it's execution, but it's also play calling.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, well let's let's let's let's get into the report
card and we can go more in depth out into it.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
But just to put a bow on like the game
in general, it basically came down to two plays, which
was a missed field goal, which is what it is.
And a decision to sneak the ball when it was
(08:58):
a yard and a half. That's a long distance for
a snake. You change the outcome of those two plays,
you win this football game, and that's football. Your margin
of error o High State was the better team, is
the better team in my belief. But the margin of
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error against Indiana, who is also very very good, was
very very thin. And Ohio State made too many mistakes
and the weren't able to overcome them.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yep, all right, let's get into it all right. First off,
talking to offense game plan, I'm gonna say D. I'm
gonna say D. Honestly, there's I liked some of the
plays I saw on the passing side there, But what
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the hell is the coaches doing running third teen personnel
that much? I can understand from time understand, but as
much as they did, which essentially means that you're taking
out you're taking out Carnel Tate, you're taking out Brandon Innis,
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and at times you took out Jeremiah Smith as well,
like get your best players on the field there, right,
there was way way too much thirteen personnel in that game,
and any and any time that they were in thirteen personnel,
they didn't do well. I don't I don't have the
exact numbers in front of.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You, but the I've seen the numbers floating around and
they're devastating. It's bad, It's really bad. But then when
Jeremiah and Carnell are on the field positive positive yardage.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Why lesson?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Listen, Sometimes you lose a game, and sometimes you have
to learn a lesson from losing that game. And the
lesson learned that that needs to be learned from this
game is essentially just feed your wide receivers. And that's
not to say a band in the running game by
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any means, but maybe the strategy when you have this
crew of wide receivers and you have this insanely accurate quarterback,
maybe your run strategy shouldn't be to go heavy and
try to ram the ball down people's throats, but rather
spread them out. We were watching the game together in
(11:33):
the social screen in the Discord server on the social screen,
and one of the things I was pointing out was
your best blocker down in the red zone was Jeremiah Smith.
Your best blocker in the red zone is Jeremiah Smith? Why?
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Because when he's all when you're on one hash and
he's all the way over damn near the sidelines on
the other side of the field, the safety has to
kind of go over there too, effectively taking the safety
out of the play. The game run the ball by
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spreading them ount. I don't mind that they tried the
thirteen personnel. I don't try all of I don't mind
all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I am.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So I'm gonna go like a see, I'm going to, however,
slam them for not moving away from it. In the
next category.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, yeah, And and game coaching, I'm gonna say enough.
I'll say enough because of exactly what you said, Jared.
They kept sticking with it like it was just just
a it was like the stubborn Ryan Day from the
Michigan game last year, just kept trying the same thing
over and over again. And it's like, no, like, you're
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you're playing to Indiana's strength there, And I understand at
times they're oha State's offensive line. I'll just leave it
at that. The offensive line struggled, and I understand, okay,
getting some more bigger bodies in there, but like, what
are you going to do when you only have one
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wide receiver? Out there, like being able to run a
more deep up route there, right.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I just didn't like it, No, it was it was puzzling.
And you know they they made a switch on the
offensive line later in the game that I should have
just been how they started the game.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Ye, curious if that's going to be the same in
what three and a half weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's not the first time that Gabe van Sickle was
plugged into a game, and he clearly performs better, So
I don't know why he hasn't been starting the past
few weeks. Quite frankly, Yeah, all right, quarterbacks, they Vansickle
is a clear upgrade.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, all right. Quarterback Jared I on on the stats
here saying didn't do wasn't that bad? Seventy two percent
against this kind of defense here? Two fifty eight yards
one touchhdowt win interception here? Is that wise? He wasn't
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that bad? But there was times he definitely was confused.
This was the first time, yeah, I think saying was
had to think a lot more. And again it's just
the level of competition. Yeah, and he took him a
little bit to get to But those two drivers in
the in the second half, really I think just in
the second half. In general, he he did really well.
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He's starting to be able to figure the defense out
and was making the right the right throws there. It
just took a little bit longer than what we're accustomed
to seeing, SAYD So I'll say, I say, like a
C plus. I'll say like a C plus for me, again,
just expectations from what I've seen from from saying here.
(15:07):
Definitely definitely not. I think it was definitely his worst
game overall, not not just the stats, but just in general,
reading the defense and and all that too.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, I mean, so what did you say, see a
C plus. I'm gonna I'm putting this more on the
coaches personally, and I know you are too. I don't
mean to suggest otherwise, but I'm gonna be I'm gonna
be more lenient here. I'm gonna go just like a be.
(15:44):
He struggled, for sure. He is still a freshman, a
right heart freshman, but he's still a freshman. And I
feel like his coaching staff failed him more than anything else.
It was. It was a tough week. In all fairness
to the staff, heartline maybe a bit preoccupied. Ohio Sate
clearly put everything into beating Michigan this. You know, I'm
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not trying to make excuses here by any means, but like, hi,
everything in Columbus if you're Ryan Day, and you know,
every conversation he has had since winning the national title
was congrats on wishing winning the national title. But you
got to go beat Michigan now. You got to go
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beat Michigan now. And Ohio State built their entire season
around going and beating Michigan. This year pays off, but
then there's kind of a letdown afterwards. And meanwhile, Indiana
played Perdue last week and that's an advantage, it's not
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a giant advantage. But then you also have like recruiting
because we apparently it's a good idea to have National
Signing Day in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So dumb, so dumb. They got to change that. They
have got changed. What the was.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Wrong with February? What was wrong in February. So you
have all these coaches and the reason, the reason you have,
the reasons don't matter because the reasons are bad. Quite frankly,
you have a situation in which coaches are being hired
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and fired and interviewing for jobs. You have teams preparing
for their conference championship games. And you have players signing
documents that will determine, you know, the path they're going
to be on for at least the next year, if
not more. And we're all going to cram all of
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that into one week.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah. I don't want to go too deep into this
because we're gonna spend too much time on this here.
But it's they wanted this early signing and so that
and so that these players can earlier enroll in January
to the program. That's that is the reason why, right.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But the problem was is that it became an optional
thing that players could do two right, a mandatory thing
that was expected of players to do immediately. Like there
wasn't even a warming suiot there.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Ye, all right, let's let's move on to run blocking here, Jared,
what would you great? I'll let you. I'll let you start.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It probably like a D.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I was thinking D minus. I was thinking D minus.
And only because they finally gotten things figure it out
in the in the second half there when if I'm
looking at the if I'm looking at the the numbers here,
Actually they didn't really do all that that one in
each head.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Actually they had one good drive where they were running
the ball well, and that was about it.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And that was that second long drive in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Runs but only when we caught them off guard. Spikes.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, two point six yards, one yard, one point four
yards and four point three yards per rush. We were
running the beach quarter.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
We were running the ball well when Indiana was expecting
us to throw the ball. Yeah, maybe a lesson to
be learned for the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
In pass blocking. I think I'm gonna say I'll say enough, Yeah,
say enough like you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, there we go. That's that. That was a piss
poor performance from the pass blocking.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Every everybody is not just one player.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Including Julian Sayan, including the tight ends, including the running backs.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yes, we'll just including that, including the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
All right, running running whenever Bo was able to get.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The ball, he I thought he did space yea, so.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He averaged five yards of carry. Well. Wes West struggled
a little bit there. He had one, he had one
decent run, but then ow the the other two were
just bad. But to carry against this defense.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But the one time Isaiah West actually had an opportunity
where he wasn't immediately engulfed, he looked good.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, so I'll say running, I'll say B. I'll say B.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I'm actually gonna leave it at an A because they
just weren't getting any assistance from when they had an
opportunity to run, they ran. Well, yeah, it's just that
the blocking was never there.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
All right, receiving whenever they threw the ball. I didn't
really have any issues with the receivers.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, I'll say this, and I think some of this
is on Saane, and I think some of this is
on the coaching. I would say most of it's probably
on Sayane in the coaching saying was having trouble finding
open receivers. Now, without being able to view the twenty
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two's the game film, I can't say for certain how
often was the case of saying not finding them and
how often was the case of their just not being
anyone open. Sure, I know there was at least one
play in which Ennis was running down the field by
himself and why just didn't find him. I don't know
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how common that was. You know, that's not information on
the receivers. That's not on the receivers in those cases.
But I'm saying there were a lot of situations and
would say and didn't find an open receiver, and without
having from the TV angle, which is all we have
right now, from the TV angle, I can't tell you
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at a high level of certainty you know where the
receiver is not getting open or we're saying not finding them.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I'll stick with a B.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, there's just I'm I'm mostly just uncertain because I
just don't know if I have the information available to
me to make sure decision right now. But I'll say
a B plus.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
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Speaker 1 (23:38):
All right, Spike says, I wonder how much was say
in tunnel visioning and predetermining and predetermined targeting.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Hard.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, it's with without the twenty two's, it's hard to tell.
But a young quarterback who was seeing defenses he hadn't
seen before and getting more pass rush than he's had
all season, that's a thing that very well could have happened.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Sure, all right. Drives and conversions, Uh, who is this
f across the board? I mean one over State was
over four in the first half and then was one
for seven going into the fourth quarter. You can cannot
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win football games.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Okay, that's what But that's that's not that's not the
most devastating drives off versions, Yeah, and then no, no,
that's not the most devastating.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And it was the fourth being for one on fourth downs.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Traditionally, Kyle, in drives and conversions, we've also included red
zone statistics.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
In this red zone.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
They entered the red zone four times and scored once.
They entered the red zone four times and scored once.
Was it scored once or got one touchdown? I I
forget what were the numbers on that, Kyle?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Do you have that? Was it?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Io State red zone? Two for four? They were two
for four.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
One for four four untouchdowns two for score on two
for four unscoring correct? Yes, Uh, I don't know if
we go across the do we go across the board
on this or just.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Say d uh? I mean I would say d.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'll say, I'll say n F.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, that's fine. And an explosiveness. I actually haven't looked
Jared at explosives for Ohio State here. So if I
looked at their big plays here, uh, five plays of
fifteen plus yards and two rushes of ten or more yards,
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it's for this kind of defense here, it's it's okay.
You would like to get it's okay. So because it's okay,
I'll say a C.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, you have to consider the defense they're playing. I'd
say ultimately the biggest problem would be.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I think it's the rushing on the rushing side. Only
being able to get two plays of going ten or
more yards, That's that's tough.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
What was Cartnell Tate's longest reception twenty yards that's bad. Yeah,
that's no, I'm not putting that on tape. For the record,
that's not me slamming Tate. That's me slamming the offense
as a whole.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
All right. What do you give grading goard explosiveness?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Probably like a C.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Plug all right, and I give a C in a
C for chat. All right. I'm gonna quickly move into
the defense here. Uh, defensively again, you held Indiana, who's
one of the top offensive teams in the country in
a variety of stats, including points per game, and you
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held them to thirteen yards. You Heldza, yeah, thirteen points. Yeah,
you held Mendoza in check for most of the game.
And we'll go more into all the all them here.
So I think overall, I think the defense was did
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what they did what they needed to do for the
most part. So I'll say b I say he as
a for the game plan, I.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Think you're I think it's an a personally, especially I'm
gonna I'm gonna be a little bit harsher on in
game coaching. But as far as starting the game, you know,
you hold them to no touchdowns in the first half,
you hold them to six points in the first half,
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You know again, considering this is the number one offense
in the country, I felt like they did really good
early on against Indiana. Okay, and the way, as far
as the defense is concerned, the three first quarter points
that Indiana had the offense handed to them.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Sure, yeah. In game coaching, I'm gonna say I'll say
a C. There you could tell you could tell which
players because there's two players in particular that Indiana was
going after when they were passing the ball, especially on
third down, they knew, they knew who to attack. Okay, yeah,
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there's two players, Yeah, who to attack? And can they
give earn third downs? Six for thirteen on third downs?
They that's on the coaches for not getting getting them
more help. So I'll say a C.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, I feel like Indiana did a much better job
coming out of the half on both sides of the ball,
did Indiana. Yeah, Indiana just seemed much more prepared in
the second half, don't. I don't think it's quite as
bad as a See again, you held the best offense
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in the country statistically, speaking to thirteen points, I'm not
gonna In fact, I probably go like a B plus,
but I am going to grade this one a little
more harshly.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, right, tackling. I I don't really recall any any
big issues with tackling overall. I mean, black Wood black
had himself a pretty good game running the ball, and
he ran with some force and so he was able
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to get a couple of extra yards. But it wasn't
really a tackling issue because there wasn't really really any
like mistackles or anything. So I think did a pretty
good job. So I'll say like an a minus.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Uh, I think I I'm just gonna just gonna second
what you said.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, all right, and a minus for chat as well.
All right, run stop. You held Indiana thirty four rushing attempts.
That's a lot one hundred and eighteen yards three and
a half yards per per carry. There, that's on paper.
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That's that's not bad. That's not bad at.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
All for Kyle will was Indiana's what was Indiana stats
coming into the game. Let's say, one of the top
five rushing teams in the country by most metrics, by
most statistical measurements.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
They were let's see here, I am zooming in real quick. Whoops, sorry, Jared.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
You're fine.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Let's say rushing rushing, rushing, They were number nine in
the country with two twenty three yards per game, and
you held them to how many yards did?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I say a little over one hundred?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So half that almost half was What about the per
carry five point five and you held them to three
three point five?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, that's the last performance.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, I'll say hey, yeah, I'll say, hey, I'm going.
I'm going.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Plus, I don't I don't feel like we should just
immediately docs in a docs doc, a full letter off
of every grade just because they lost the game.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I said no, no, no, no, no no no, I'm not
saying you are. I'm I'm just saying like, I don't
think that. I don't think the fact that this game
was a loss versus a win means we should like
just blanket downgrade all the grades. That's all.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Pass rush Kateen, Curry and McDonald had had themselves a
spectacular game, especially early on, especially early on. I'm going
to give an a as well for the pass rush.
I was. I was really, I was really impressed with
with the defensive line getting to the quarterback. I mean,
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I mean, Curry set the tone from the first snap there,
from the first snap. Yeah, I'm you can hear you
gotta tip you gotta tip your hat off, Tim and
doze being able to day and and and do well
and do well.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, So a couple of thoughts on that one. He
is the most awkward like pocket scrambler I've ever seen
in my life. He's also an incredibly awkward talker, but
we're gonna leave that off the podcast. Just very phony,
but again we're gonna leave that off the podcast. There's
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zero chance in hell that Indiana did a concussion test
on him. Yeah, his brain got rattled hard on that
Curry hit. He left the play, He left the game
for one play. Zero chance in hell they did any
concussion testing on him. Now, and to Indiana's defense, he
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looked fine for the rest of the game. He didn't
play concussed for the rest of the game. But correct
if you saw the way. But I just made a
brand new gift of that hit. I watched that play
in slow motion about as because when you go and
you do the editing to make a new gift like that,
you end up watching like the play and then all
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the replays like thirty times. Just as you're like fine
tuning the editing. His head whipped nasty. There's zero excuse
for him not getting concussion testing on the sideline. And
I'm not gonna step because I wanted him out of
the game or because I wanted.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I was going to say, don't get us wrong, don't
get us wrong, right that this want him the game
to compete.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
This is this is someone who has had like concussions
in his life and like takes concussions seriously like that.
This isn't me talking as an Ohio State fan. I'm
not saying Mendoza was or wasn't concussed. I'm saying there's
zero excuse for the fact that he Indiana did no testing.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
All right, All right, let's move a little quicker here.
So past coverage, I I gotta say, see, I'll say, see,
there were times that they did well. Now other times
its special on third downs that it was just pitiful.
So I'll be in the middle there. See.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I think that's a I think that's a good way
of saying it. I think overall they did fine as
a pass coverage unit, but we're not clutch when the
moments mattered, like on third downs. As Kyle said, Indiana
is the one that came through more often than not
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so I will also say.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
See A right, impact plays, Jared.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
They had a lot of impact plays, lots of past breakups,
got an interception, a bunch of sacks, a bunch of
hits on the quarterback, wrecking ball. Impact play is probably
like an A plus.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah I was, I'll say an A. Yeah, I'll say I was,
say an A for this one. Yeah, very defense to
what they needed to do. We'll just keep it that simple.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Both the Cadens were beast. I know that you're talking
about McDonald by the way you spelled it spikes, but
both of the Cadens were beasts.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, all right, stops, all right, this is where I'm
going to give stops a D.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, six for this is where that lack
of clutch really comes into play.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Six for thirteen and one for one on fourth downs.
That's got to get off the field. Got to get
off the field there. So, and credit to Indiana being
able to to diagnose and see where they can attack
the weakest link or links on the defense there So,
you got gotta give credit to them. So I'm going
to say D.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I think the D is a little harsh, and I
hear what you're saying about the third downs, and I
think that's valid, but I think we also have to
take into consideration red zones, and Ohio State's defense came
in clutch in the red zone several occasions. Again they
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were Indiana was gifted a fuel goal, but defense worked
to make that fuel goal a field goal. Ohio State
forced another field goal that was missed. Both teams had
short field goal misses in this game. That should also
be noted because I know I was talking about Ohio
State missing a field goal earlier. Well, Indiana also missed
a short field goal.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I would agree. I would agree with you, Jared, if
the third downs were like third and third and two,
third and three, that's the average they averaged on third
downs and third down distance to go over six yards average. Now, House,
I know we're talking about the defense, but Ohio State
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offensively was worse. They were averaging seven and a half
yards to go on third downs. Yikes.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, all right, Which is why, which is why I
was a little bit more lenient on saying and a
little bit more harsh on the coaching because they kept
insisting on throwing three tight ends out there and running
the ball, putting saying in must must, pass must pass
situations on third and longs on such a consistent basis.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Sure, all right, and don't breaks.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
And by the way, both coaching staffs did that. I
just want to state that, for the record, both coaching
staffs were insanely insistent on establishing a run game that
was not there. Both teams would have benefited greatly by
throwing the ball a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Holy crap, Jared, I just real line. Oh no, no,
that's that's different. Never mind all right. And last one, Jared,
is don't break.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And it didn't have many like big plays.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
They had a total of.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
There was like a third and short that they got
a big play on, but it's really they remember, Yeah,
they had four long four past plays of fifteen or
more yards and only two rushes of ten or more yards. Now,
the one rush was right at the.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, it wasn't the beginning the game, but it was.
It was in the first quarter though, where Black ran
off for like thirty five or so yards. Then, right, yeah,
and Mendoza only held Yeah, like I said, four times
of being able to pass the ball fifteen or more yards.
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So I think don't break was it was pretty good,
especially against this defense here.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
So i'll the fifty one yarder is is ways havy though, Yeah,
that's tough.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And then and then their last big play was the
you can pretty much called out when this the the uh,
the silencer, the game killer. When Mendoza just threw that
up for that first down on on that third and
third and five or third and six, it was that
that was that was the clutch throw there by Mendozo. Yeah,
(40:35):
so I'll say b, let's say b.
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Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oops, wrong one in game coaching.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Overall, in game coaching out gosh again, I'll say on
average here, I'll say, I guess it's like a C
C plus. So I say, I say C plus.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay, I think I'll go like A yeah, I think
that's fair.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Okay, all right, motivation and effort.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I think there was a motivation. I don't know if
there was a motivation issue. I really I started to
talk myself out of that. I I don't know, how
about that. How about me just saying I don't know
that that breaks all the podcast rules, But that's just
(42:52):
kind of how I feel. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I think the effort efforts there. I think the effort
was there. My motivation maybe, sorry, go ahead, I'll say
the efforts definitely there. I just yeah, it was hard
seeing the motivation because you didn't really see anybody. You
didn't see that the fire in people's eyes. You didn't
(43:14):
you didn't see them on this, at least from the
broadcast that we saw. Maybe I don't Maybe there was.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I don't know, I don't know if that's I'd say
there's a lot of passion, at least on the defensive side.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, so I'll I'll say be I'll say be h
overall overall execution, I man, this is this is this
is tough because offensively, offensively, well, defensively they executed pretty well. Yeah.
(43:54):
But then offensively, yeah, offensively there was a lot of
execution issues, lot of questionable formations and play calling as well.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Well that's that's that's that's coaching. That's not execution.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Sure, so us I'll say like a C plus. Okay,
all right, discipline is our next grading here. Uh, I'll say,
only only two penalties in this game, two penalties for
twenty yards? Pretty good? Pretty good here, So I'll say
(44:31):
an A for a discipline.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
No, that's fine, I'm okay with that. Also, just don't
have a strong opinion.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
All right, special teams, all right, before before anybody says anything, yes, yeah,
we know Fielding, we know Fielding missed the field goal.
But let's not I know he wasn't. Let's not put
the entire blame on Fielding. Should have made that. Absolutely, absolutely,
(45:01):
you should have made that.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
That is surprisingly tough kick from that.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Fielding is not the reason Ohio State lost. Fielding is
not he is. He is a result. No, you could
group a group effort. It was a group effort of
the team losing this game, not because fielding missed a
(45:29):
short field goal. Listen.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I must say this because people maybe who don't understand
a right footed kicker. And you can blame Brian Day
for this or Brian Hartline for this if you want to,
for putting him in this position a right footed kicker.
We saw that the Indiana kicker do the same thing.
By the way, a right footed kicker kicking that close
(45:55):
from the right hash is a difficult kick. I know
it's close, and I know that they should make it,
and you don't see it in the NFL because the
hashes are a lot close. In the NFL, the hashes
line up with the goalposts, which makes that kick a
hell of a lot easier for NFL kickers. Yep, if
(46:16):
you don't know that when you're running a college kicker,
those hashes are outside of the goalpost. That is a
tough kick. Again, we saw the Indiana kicker earlier in
the game basically miss the same kick. I am coming
to fieldings of defense on this.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, and looking at the other side like McGuire
had maybe his best punting of the season. Yeah, and
he had all three All three of his punts were
inside the twenty. That's what you needed, That's what you
need from your punter, and that really helped. That really helped.
Ahouse stayed out so that this game could have been
(46:57):
a lot worse if he had his typical punning average
here but still out. I'll say I'll say A, say
like A, I don't know, C plus, say C plus
for special teams as the one should Yeah, all right,
turnovers each team had one. I mean I don't consider yeah,
(47:24):
I don't consider the the loss of downs a turnover,
but so one one each one interception for each team.
There the benefit was a state got three points out
of their their turnover that they got and Indiana didn't
get any for these what Yeah, they didn't get any point.
(47:47):
No they did. They did to get a touchdown. They No,
we got the touchdown. They got three points. That's what
it was. Sorry, Yes, we got a touchdown. They got
three points. So we benefited off of our turn over
Indiana turnover then then the other way around. So I'll
say B. I'll say B. Just because of.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
That, I'll say I'll keep it looking, I'll say A minus.
You got you said it. You got there eventually, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
All right, overall offense, overall offense here, I'll say C minus.
I'll say C minus. And if this was not Indiana
and it was a different team, I would have given
an F here.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
So I'll say I'll say C minus.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, No, that's fair, said minus. Actually the hell am
I doing?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
What would you great?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Jared? I don't know. I'm just struggling with the keyboard
at the moment. The you know, this font does something
weird with the season, the minuses. It's been bugging me
all season. I'm not using this font again next year,
if there is a next year. But that's a different conversation. Yeah, uh,
(49:10):
offense that you know what kind of I think you?
I think you said it. I'm gonna make it just
a regular see, not because I disagree with you, but
because I don't because of the font.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Alright and deep end see it says chat as well
and defensively, I'm just kind of looking down. They did fine. Say,
I'll say, other the other than this stops really other
than the the stops the third down specifically, Yes, that's
what it was because I feel like they did the
(49:42):
defense pretty good.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Zone.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, the defense did pretty good. So I'll say B.
I'll say B thirteen thirteen points led up. Yeah, I'll
say B.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I'm gonna a minus, all right, and.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
We got a B plus all right, and overall, he
it's a tale of two of two sides of the ball.
There defensively did their job. The offense did not. So
I'll say I'll say C plus. You were just you
were like a couple play. I think Jared said that
(50:17):
at the beginning of the episode. You're just a couple
plays away. There's a couple plays that could have turned
the turn the game over and we'd be talking about
it seventeen to thirteen Buckeye victory here for all we know.
So I'll say C plus.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Like, and I'm not saying the replay was wrong, because
it wasn't. Uh sayan was clearly short. But if they
just like, don't run that replay.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Oh hi, I say they've done that before. They've done
that before, sure, but.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
You understand what I'm saying. Yeah, if if they they don't,
if they don't buzz down for that replay, Ohio State
might win this game. That's I think that's simple. I
really honestly think it's that simple. Yeah, and again I'm
not saying that the replay booth was wrong to do that.
(51:09):
I think they were very clearly right to do that.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
But yeah, oh well, point is I think I think
the walk I think the walk away lesson here is
that you're still in the playoff. Playoff committee only drops
a high of state one spot. We'll talk about the
playoff in more in more detail later this week, but
(51:33):
playoff committee, I think did a lot of right things
in general. Among those correct right things was only dropping
Ohio state one spot. Now, the way the the bracket
shook out, that would rather have been dropped the third
I think Georgia has a much easier Yes, I'd rather
(51:57):
play Old Miss than either Texas A and M or Miami. Yeah,
and it doesn't even bring in the fact that that
Georgia could theoretically play too Lane instead. I don't know
what's wrong with the bracketing system and why the third
seed got such a better draw. I think I'll Miss
(52:19):
just shouldn't have been ranked sixth. Quite frankly, I think
it's probably the I think Texas A and M is.
I think Texas A and M, in my opinion, is
better than Georgia, I think, and Georgia won the SEC
and they should be ranked where they are. I'm not
saying otherwise, I think is legitimately. I would, I honestly
(52:41):
would put Texas A and M either fifth or sixth.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I mean you say that this the second the second
spot there is the is the tough draw, second year
in a row. The number one spot is in a
tough draw there like.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
System was broken last year and we are and they
fixed it for a reason, the whole the whole conference
champions automatically get the buy was a mistake from the beginning,
and they corrected that. Just just think of Kyle. Under
last year's system, Ohio State would be ranked sixth.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yes, Indiana plays Alabama or oklare fifth. That's tough, that
would be ranked fifth. Yeah, anything else shared anything.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I think Oklahoma sucks quite frankly, I don't think Oklahoma
is all that good.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
But whatever, we'll talk about that more later. That's that's
that's for that's for later in the week.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
No, I think I'm good, and I'm probably gonna lose
my voice here in a second anyway, So.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
All right, Well, I'll finish. I'll finish off then Jared,
with that Kyle's corner, Caleb Downs wins the lot Impact Trophy.
For those that do not know, the Loft Impact Trophy
is for it's pretty much like for on and off
the field excellence. Yes, it is a national award. Yes,
(54:17):
it's on and off the field excellent. And he was
it was finalist and obviously he won it. Here, I'm
trying to look real quick of.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Whose legs is asking for a very specific reason if
you didn't catch that guy?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yes, oh no, I know, I know it is. Yes, yes, yeah,
I think I think Alabama. I think there was an
Alabama player as well too, that one you see. It
was a Georgia player, Ohio State player, Miami player, and
a Texas Tech player. So all that made the made
(54:58):
the playoffs. There were finals here and Caleb Down's and
up out of wind there. So congrats to him. And
that's it. Jared, Well, we'll leave it that that.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Okay, I change of the on on on screen gift.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Oh for a reason, such a hit.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Oh, it's I'm making it bigger. I'm making it bigger.
Screw this, I'll cover me because covering Kyle feels rude.
There's no way he shouldn't have gone through concussion testing.
Zero chance in hell he should not have gone through
concussion testing. That head whip is nasty. There's zero chances
(55:42):
his brain didn't rattle in there for a second. That's
all I'm saying. Oh, and now I'm breaking everything. Everyone's
seeing all of the layers of the thing. All right,
there we go, put that back in its place.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
All right.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I might get demonetized for that. Actually, now that I
think about it, I should maybe you know, Actually, hey,
it's probably fine. Script it's all black and white and
I cut it, so maybe it's fine. I don't know.
We'll find out. Tonight's ending music Rocky by the Sidekicks.
There a band out of Cleveland. I think it's Cleveland.
(56:18):
If it's not, I apologize. So with all that being said,
I'd like to encourage ever to drinking for here, less
of clips and of course mort level podcasters. Let's get
inside side Kicks.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
I tried to get to know that Steve.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
Couldn't really access Sonny.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Those thoughts starts as a childhood familiar feel, and.
Speaker 5 (56:50):
It all just gets lost and long.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Foughts Like every gigantic Cross. It's made by the same
gigantic White Cross company. He and I think about that
because I'm from the Midwest and I have a vague
interest in the art of market corner. Hey, maybe someday
(57:25):
he'll have a baby.
Speaker 5 (57:31):
Same way we were bad being. Who isn't that shit crazy?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (57:44):
I think in these terms late lease, happiness comes in ours.
Distraction is a day. Lovers deserve flower.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
Love is just a phrase.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
That I invented somewhere around Summit Avenue.
Speaker 6 (58:24):
I'm in love with the idea of you.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Started searching form of my story, followed jazzon that man.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
At the center of all the plots with.
Speaker 6 (59:03):
Ohhead, there's her character again.
Speaker 5 (59:10):
But if I rearrange the story or magnify what I see,
who recks acute to freeze frame.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Moments?
Speaker 4 (59:31):
Chin just be so if happiness comes in ours, it
looks like it gets that time again for me. Gravestone
(59:52):
deserve flower, Lommers deserve poetry.
Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
It all crafted cleverly.
Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
I'll be sung in kive Jim.
Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
To give a moment some clarity to you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
We'll poly say it, moms like, let's say it's like.
Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
A picture and a friend.
Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
The cloud before the rant, the rumbling of the train
before the tracks abruptly in.
Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
It's the car before it quits on Wait your first
day or it was the last day of school. Still
feeling the cool of the air through your patents in Monroe.
Here on the blown sung waer mumbling some sung truth.
Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
It was your daily rock block with Jimmy.
Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
Joni and jam It's been coming cow.
Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
As born your chorus just be bardy engines.
Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Like cow, barn, job.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Cow or job coming home, cow, war show coun
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