October 13, 2025 • 58 mins
It wasn’t pretty, but Ohio State got the win at Illinois. We grade the Buckeyes on how they did against the Fighting Illini.
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Anchor's up sales at full Welcome to the sleep Cassia.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Don't see that all right, Jared, how are you doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Doing good? Doing good, doing good? I'm gonna a new tradition, tradition.
We're gonna do that quickly because the past couple of
weeks we've done a little bit over on scarletting grade.
So uh, let's let's it's not goof.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's just go for it.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Sound a good thing. Sounds good. Thirty four sixteen final
score and champagne. Another good quality road victory for Ohio State. Yeah,
I think overall happy with the win. A little banged
up with with a few players here, but yeah, I
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think I think overall. Before we get into the report
card here, just my thoughts of the game. Sure, I'll
say it's probably the sloppiest game I've seen of the
team so far. Eh, overall.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Ohio Ohio is sloppier.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I don't know, I know, but either way, either way though, yeah,
it seems it just seemed like really sloppy. And as
the game game got along went along here, Ohio State
started taking care of business and then Illinois started doing
some up tempo, got some ball movement and for the
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first time scored a touchdown in the red zone against
Ohio State or Ohio State let up a red zone touchdown.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yep, that's hurts one, but two yeah, and first time
an opponent scores over ten points against Ohio State. We
let you know on know your enemy that Altmeyer's a
very good quarterback and he is.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, he was sixty eight. So that's really good, really
good against this Ohio State defense.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we again we told you this
is a very good quarterback that the Ohio State had
to play, you know, had some bad love. Two.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I think it was like at sixty percent or under
sixty percent that Ohio State was letting or letting quarterbacks complete,
So definitely well above that average.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah. And you know this this was a game of
like ups and downs for the defense because as you mentioned,
I mean, this was is you know, if you just
look at like yards allowed and points allowed, this was
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the defense's worse today of the season so far. At
the same time, they did force those three turnovers, right.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Three turnovers. I was not expecting that, especially with Ohio
State not really turning the ball over surprisingly or causing
turnovers on on defense here. And yeah, two fumbos in
a in a pick in this.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Game, all three turned into twenty one points. Like they gave.
They gave the offense short field. So you know what
I said, kind of an up and down day for
the defense. Lots of impact plays, but you know, maybe
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didn't manage the downs in distance the way we've seen
them do through the year.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But let's let's get into the report card.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
All right, Yeah, let's let's go and start early here.
So as always, Jared, we start with the offense here.
Game plan here, Oh, game plan. I didn't really mind.
I didn't really mind.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Have new issues with the offensive game plan.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, I would say, honestly, i'd probably saying I was
saying a minus. I think I think there was some
I think there was some think I think there were
some things that I would like to have seen how
how State do, especially especially when they needed to get
a play to get get the offense going here. But
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I think overall, I think the game plan I I
can't really complain too much about. So, yeah, a minus.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
In game coaching, I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Think you say, I know, what would you say, Jared?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They were supposed to be terrible on defense and we
struggled a bit, says Spikes. Yeah, I don't think that
was I don't think.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I don't think that was a game plant of coaching.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, in game coaching, I would say there were adjustments
that weren't made that probably could have been made to
sort of free up the running a bit. So for that,
I'll probably just say like a B MINX, I.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Was going to say B plus and Z. Spike says
Z plus or ZZ plus B plus Yeah, wow, Z
plus Z plus. Yes, all right, quarterback play, I gotta
look see if I can try to pull it up
real quick. Here Julian stan nineteen for twenty seven, one
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hundred and sixty six yards and two touchdowns. No picks. Yeah,
in this game? Was this his? No, he definitely threw
a lot less in uh in the Texas game. This
was his. I guess you could say his worst performance
game in terms of yardage and percentage completion since that
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Texas game, which is crazy to say because at Texas
he threw the ball sixty five percent completion and here
he was seventy percent, so so really accurate. Yeah, no picks.
Still't like, I'm really really pleased have making.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's been a few games since he's thrown.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
One h yeah, since Ohio when he threw two.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Right again, sloppiest game. So, uh, you know, nothing spectacular
from Julian saying this game didn't do anything wrong, per
se didn't put up a lot of yards. A lot
of that had to do with the fact that they
faced a lot of short fields thanks to the defense. Yep,
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I'll you know, I'll go, I'll go minus. He took
care of the ball, which I think at this point
is what you expect from him.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's kind of what I'm thinking too, that he took
care of the ball. He did what he needed to,
didn't really need to force it where he where he
didn't need to got he I think we're coming up
here with the receivers here shortly but distributed the ball
really really well here. Yeah, so I thought, yeah, a
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minus for me, and Chat says a minus as well.
All right, Jared run block. I think I think this
is where we need to grade a little bit harsher here.
No for sure, if you, if you, if you remember
when we didn't know your enemy, I am trying to
pull it up here. Illinois was seventy second in running
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yards per game at one hundred and fifty eight and
twenty seventh and rushing yards per rush at four point seven,
I would say had one hundred and six on thirty
seven carries for two point nine yards per rush.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, Jackson didn't get a lot of carries in this game.
Retweaks his ankle. Jackson was running well. He had just
shy of a five yard per carry average. The next
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Donaldson is who he is, which is mostly a short
yardage get you three or four yards kind of guy.
Ohio State needs to look at their at their running
back depth and see if they have a third running back,
because at this point I'm pretty comfortable in saying people's
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isn't it. I don't know if it's Isaiah West, I
don't know who it is, but you know, one freshman
running back is already your best running back on the team.
Maybe it's time to take a look at some of
the other young guys. Now that being said, the run
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blocking was not exceptionally good this game either, because what
we're supposed to be talking about right now not the
running backs, which I kind of just jumped on to
there for a second, but yeah, they they should have
been a game in which Ohio State went up and
down the field at ease basically all the time. I
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mean Indiana, and you know, maybe some credit to the
defensive coaching staff at Illinois, maybe Indiana exploited a bunch
of things that Illinois sort of you know, self scouted
on and corrected, and maybe those angles of exploitation were
no longer quite as bad. I don't really know. I
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don't you know, I haven't seen film yet, so I
can't say for sure. But yeah, the run blocking based
off of expectation was was was was bad. I'm gonna
say a D.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, it was not it was not good. I was
going to go with I was gonna go with a
C minus just because there there were times when they
need to get the couple of yards on third and
short and on that fourth down the defense or not
the defense, the offensive line did get the push they
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needed to, but didn't need to be put into that
situation where they needed to get that one yard they
should have had the first down or the touchdown, or
where the case may have been. So I'll give them
a little bit of credit, So I say C minus.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah. Uh, pass blocking, I felt.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Like saying most of the time, had like all day
to throw. I think the run or the past block
has been exceptional, and yeah, I'm I can't really complain
about it, so I'm gonna say an a, I thought
past block was spot on.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
No no sack again, no sacks in this game.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
No sacks. I don't particularly remember saying being forced to
scramble all that much. I mean, there were some planned
scrambles as far as rollouts and whatnot, but uh, for
the most part, I don't remember him taking any big hits.
I don't remember. I'm not gonna say he was totally clean.
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I think he was hit a couple of times, but
he did take a.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Big hit on a scramble out where he got one
yard or if that and he got he got a
big hit there, but that was that was off of
a scramble though, Right, Okay, all right, running I said.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
My piece here, if the run game is gonna struggle,
if if Jackson is going to have if he's gonna
have to be limited due to injury, and he's a
true freshman and he's already having some injury issues, you
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know they Yeah, I thought Jackson looked great. Unfortunately his
day was shortened. I'm gonna I'm gonna do like a
B minus.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's that's kind of what I was thinking to B minus.
There were times when they got hit in the backfield,
but I was able to make something out of nothing there.
So I'll give him a little bit of credit for
not taking too many tackle for losses which oissely had
four for tackle for losses on offense. Not not that great.
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They didn't lose much like on the stats sheets here,
Illinois had four tackle for losses for for five yards.
Some wasn't like they went back a lot and all that.
But but so that told you. That told you that
Hot State did not get any kind of push when
running the ball. The sneaker.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeahjillian saying had like kneeded inches and got like three
yards something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, yep, all right. Receivers, no one, no one really
stood out here. There was there were some moments here.
Jeremiah Smith with with a couple of uh splashes there,
Uh Tate with another toe tap catch in the game here.
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Nothing nothing spectacular. They just they they got the job done.
Is kind of how I took the receivers here. What
was he here? For five catches by Ohio State's tight ends.
They're really really getting really getting the tight ends involved
these past few games here, as we're starting to see
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a lot of twelve and even thirteen formations here.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean part of the problem there is,
you know, to maybe jump back to the run blocking
real quick. Claire had a couple bad misses from a
run blocking a really point Yeah. So unfortunately, right, Wow,
it looks like you're in a situation where you have
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your blocking tight end and you have your pass catching
tight end, and that you know, you can't just have
one end when you're gonna run and one in when
you're gonna pass. That's a little too obvious of a tell.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Ye in the in the one miss block and that
got Smith like really hurt there, got Amation worried up there.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Spikes points out down in the chat. Yeah, but now
I think I thought the receivers did fine. Unfortunately, Illinois
deployed the the dreaded you know, umbrella defense and was
sort of forcing everything underneath for Ohio State. There's a
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lot of holes in the Illinois defense, but their safeties
are not one of those holes. You know. I think
Cox had a great game for them. It was all
over the field. Uh, but yeah, high expectations for the
receivers didn't necessarily meet those high expectations. I'll say, like a.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Bee, yep, I was thinking b plus, they did what
they needed to. I can't really I can't really think
of like a a drop or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, I mean they didn't do I mean, they didn't
do anything wrong. That's why I didn't take them down
into C your d territory. But I didn't. You know,
no one exactly took over.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The game either, yep, okay, uh drives and conversion. So
howse State was eight for fifteen and one for one
on on eight for fifteen on third downs and one
for one on fourth downs, so over fifty percent. When
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let's see Illinois was well, yeah, they were letting up
forty five percent, which is one of the worst in
the in the country. There, so did what they needed to,
But I felt like they could have converted more of
those third downs if if they run blocking got got
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a little bit better there.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Sure, say like as also had to settle for two
field goals. Again, twenty one of the thirty four points
we're off of short field, you know, off of short
field provided by the defense. You know, Yeah, I think
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I think I think B minus is probably fine. Okay,
is that what you said too? Yep?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
B minus yep, and Chet says be minus all right.
Last one, explosiveness According to what I see here, I
do comparison, if I do big plays, actually the longest.
What would you think about how State's longest play was?
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How many yards?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I think I know it was Claire for twenty two?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Twenty two yards? Yeah, they're they're.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Outside.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
They only had three three questions with.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
The Jackson long handoff pass which ended up going for
a touchdown. I don't know, I just didn't. They didn't
feel explosive at any point to me.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Correct Yep. Three three plays that went over fifteen yards
in the passing and three plays that went ten yards
or more on on the ground and looking at the
other way, Illinois had nine big plays if I'm wanting
to flip that. But we'll cover that on the defensive side.
So explosiveness not good, I'm going to say. I'm going
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to say D plus not good. Yeah, I said, especially
when you especially when you needed to, you should have
been able to move the ball a little bit better
on this defense. I mean we were, we were just
when we talked about this, Illinois defense. We were like, hus,
it's going to be able to just sort their will
on this team and be able to just move at ease.
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And there's times like they really couldn't. They couldn't get
anything done on the ground again, two point nine yards
on the trail.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Just look at what Indiana did against them.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, yep, all right, and Chat says a d Yeah,
I got it. Yeah, all right with that, that is
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Speaker 1 (21:08):
All right, Kyle, Time for the defense.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
All right, defense here. First thing. I can't complain too
much of what they were trying to do, And honestly,
I thought overall that the defense did really well, and
we talked about it on Friday's Friday Thursday's episode, that
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Altmeyer's a really good quarterback, very very accurate passer. Maybe
the best accurate passer or Ohio State will face all
season here, and he he lived up to it sixty
eight percent. But I thought Ohio State really contained him
and his his his passing attack here, and we knew
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we knew he was going to make some place here.
But I thought were all what the defense was trying
to do. I can't really can't really complain too much
about it. Yeah, he was definitely frustrating that first half. Yeah,
those first two drives, you can definitely see the Ohio
State got got into his head his head there, But
as soon as Illinois went up tempo there, all of
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a sudden kind of got hot State off balance. And
how State did kind of respond a little bit after that,
but they did catch a State off guard there. So
I'll say an A minus for the game plan.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I'll go with the I'll go with the standard day, Okay.
I think the in game coaching was more my concern
as far as you know, maybe they weren't expecting Illinois
to go up tempo, they didn't necessarily adjust to it
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well or quickly, you know. At the same time, the
second Illinois touchdown was kinda whatever, like the game was
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over at that point. The starters were still in don't
get me wrong, but like whatever, but still would like
to see the passion stay up. Still would like to
see the you know, everyone keep coaching. But Illinois made
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some adjustments in Ohio State just kind of didn't necessarily
seem to care that much. So I'll probably go with
like a bee here.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I mean that's fair. I was kind of thinking of
B plus I, yeah, I can't complain too much. I'm
definitely going to gray. I'm a little bit lower there.
But man like, even though Aho State did let up
to touchdowns in the red zone, especially that first drop,
that first time that Illinois got into the red zone,
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and everybody was just going absolutely nut to be like
how can they how can they keep getting away with this?
That that kind of uh. But but all good things
do come and end unfortunately, But yeah, I think it'd
be pluses is uh is a good grade. Uh Tackling.
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This is a very very well coached and disciplined team
when it comes to tackling. I don't really see any
mistackles none that I can really think about. Hand. I
feel like I'm repeating myself from last week. So A
I thought tackling was right on. Yeah, I agree, Hey, okay,
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all right, well we'll move on to run stop. State
still very very good when it comes to stopping the run.
One of the best top ten opponents yards per rush
helped them out here that they held Illinois to one
point seven yards per rush here twenty seven attempts forty
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seven yards. You can't get much better than that. I
can't get much better, So heck i'll get I'll throw
an eight plus on there. I thought it was really
good you held you held Illinois to one point seven
yards when yeah, I mean, they weren't the best team
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offensively when running a ball when they were averaging three
point three per carry, But yeah, I was really happy
with how they were stopping Illinois rushing attacks.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Out eight plus one of their running backs at a
six point three per carry average. I can't give them
the plus.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Sure, and he had he had and that one run
was half was half of his yardage there.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I understand how many carries eight eight at eight eight
carries fifty yards a touchdown along of twenty three.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
All right, pass rush for sacks. We knew that Altmire
is got hit, is constantly getting hit all season. He
had nineteen going into this game, tack on four more
after this one for twenty three times this year. You
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gotta protect your quarterback there. I thought the pass rush did.
I thought they did well later on in the game.
Early on, I felt like I felt like we weren't
getting getting getting home in time. But I feel like
that's spent all year. It's kind of see how Illinois
plays plays offensively and then build a game plan from there.
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That's kind of how I see it though. But i'd
say an as I thought, I thought they did pretty
well from the pass rush.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, there are definitely situations, and I think it's not
as bad as some OHIS fans think it is, because
there are definitely situations in which the defense just kind
of rushes three and sits back in innate person zone
and it's hard to get pressure in those situations. But
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at the same time, they aren't winning enough when it's four,
when there's four defensive linemen and they're all going after
the quarterback. They need to win those battles more often
and quickly quicker than they're doing than they're doing now.
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They weren't even trying to shed the block instantly locked up. Yeah,
and there was still a bit of containment happening too. Yeah,
I mean it's not Yeah, I mean I'm definitely going
with like a bee. They need to be better when
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rushing just four.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Sure, I was trying to find the number. I think
I might have found it. I think he was. He
was averaging. It was right around two and a half
seconds per throw. Yeah, so he's getting rid of the
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ball quickly. So it's hard hard getting home on average there.
But I think the times that he did hold onto
the ball a little bit longer out of state did
did make them pay there. Pass coverage, past coverage, man,
this is this is tough, just because we knew Altmeyer's again,
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I feel like being a broken record here apologized very
accurate passer sixty eight percent. He was thirty for forty
four two forty eight yards touchdown interception. I thought pass coverage,
they didn't really, they didn't let anything deep. Everything was
in front of them. They they made alt Meyer just
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work for every completion, really worked through it. And I thought,
I thought, overall the past coverage is there? Who just
Allmyer just made just made better better throws. And you
hear it all the time too about I think it
like it in a basketball analogy, where you can play
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you can have a really good defense, but if you
just got someone who can just just shoot up a
three with a with a hand in your face, that's
just a heck of a shot. This is just a
heck of a quarterback making plays there. Even with the
defensive backs just all over the uh the receivers.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
There, they weren't always all over them though.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I thought overall they were. Yes, there were times that
they weren't, but I thought overall they the defensive backs
did a pretty good job.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We've talked a lot about how Ohio State has sort
of allowed, you know, they they they're super strict on
like the run and the short stuff, and they're super
strict on not letting any big plays behind them, and
as a result, the middle of the field kind of
sometimes it gets lost. And they were doing that again
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this game. But I think the difference here being that
Altmeyer was good enough to take advantage of that. You know,
you could you could up until this point with every
quarterback they played. You could basically threaten them. You could
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say to them, yeah, just try and hit those intermediate
passes consistently, we dare you. Just try and build your
entire offense or on that problem was is that you
know not you know, they have good receivers, they have
a great quarterback. They were able to do that and
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that's how, you know, So we could probably maybe call
this more of a defensive scheme issues. Maybe we revisit,
you know, game plan as opposed to the players in
pass coverage. I'm actually sort of talking myself into that.
I think I'm gonna maybe drop the defensive game plan
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down to a BE because I think they were basically
in the in game coaching. Maybe down to a B
minus because I think they were basically kind of running
the same defense of just like daring the quarterback to
complete those intermediate passes all game. But Altmeyer was capable
of doing that.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So would you say the past coverage then is.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I'm gonna say a B because I think it was
mostly a game plan issue and not necessarily a player issue.
So maybe even more like a B plus.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Okay, yeah, I was saying I was thinking B plus
for for the past coverage too. I don't let's see,
let's see if this actually has it. I don't know
if this covers uh past breakups. Uh i'se had six
past breakups in this game, Yeah, I had Iggy had
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four of those.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
He also had a couple uncalled penalties if we're being honest,
I mean sure, sure, all right, Uh impact plays.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Impact plays three four seven turnovers, And it has to
be said those three turnovers led to twenty one points
that itself, right, there is an impact play itself. So
absolutely it's gonna be an A plus. That's gonna be
an a plus.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah. Defense essentially, you know, sets up twenty one offensive points.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, all right, all right, stops Illinois four for fourteen
on third downs. Okay, that's good, But then there were
three for five on fourth down. So if you take
that in combination up third downs, they were seven for
fourteen in conversions fifty Not good. That's not good in
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terms of how of what Ohio State has done historically,
Like they they held teams to twenty one percent twenty
one percent, well, but it actually was lower than that.
It was like eighteen percent before this game, eighteen or
nineteen percent, but it's higher now. Uh yeah, not good
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in my eyes here. So I'm gonna say see, I'll
say a sea one stops.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, I'll go B minus. But yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And chat say and C plus all right, Jared, And
the last one is don't break.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
They didn't have what their longest play was twenty yards?
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Uh? Their longest play was twenty three yards by that
one rush? Oh okay, yeah, but their longest pass was
twenty yards.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Longest pass was twenty longest reception or excuse me, longest
reception was twenty longest run was twenty three. Yeah. No,
I mean in a large part to the fact that
they're a very disciplined tackling team. This defense is still
doing a really good job not allowing big plays.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, yep, allowed two plays of twenty plus yards, but
zero of thirty plus. Yeah. I mean, so I'll say,
as this is just the spoiled person in me, I
was saying A minus honestly keeping everything in front. That's
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just kind of defense out how state is right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, I think the A minus is fine.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay, all right, anything else before we take an ad
break and talk about the team overall.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Here, yep, let's do that, all right?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
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our ratings all right overall, in game contract, in game,
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in game coaching. I'll say in a.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, I think I would have preferred Yeah, chat is
saying b I'm more I'm more on their side of
it as far as you know. And I'm going to
bring this up again when we talk about motivation and effort.
You they they did not keep their foot on the pedal,
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and I think that needs to be criticized.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, no, you're a yeah, changed mind to be. I
was kind of looking at kind of cross like average
of game playing across but no, you're you're right, yeah,
in game coaching. Yeah, I kind of wish they may
made all myer. They took away those intermediate intermittent intermediate,
(38:09):
if I can talk, passes a little bit more motivation.
But the motivation was there, I didn't an effort was there.
I can't. I can't really ring down from them there.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So I say, like, I disagree because I think they
started off with good motivation and effort, but I think
they're kind of just going through the motions in the second.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Or would I say so, I would? Okay, all right,
I'll say a mis execute execution execution. I think I'm
gonna I'm gonna judge Harshall on the execution side, offensive
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line not getting it done on the rushing side. And yeah,
I'm I'm gonna say execution wise like a like a
C plus, I'll say C plus on execution.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Interesting, I'm leaning more towards there were I'm not gonna
say there weren't execution issues, because there were, But I
think my blame's more on the coaches this week than
field execution personally.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Okay, yep, C plus for a chat as well here
discipline AUSSI had a lot of a lot of penalty
seven uncharacteristic for them. Seven pen penalties for fifty nine yards?
What what are they?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
They were?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, they were one of the top in the country.
They were averaging it was like right at four penalties
per game. That that raised that up to four point
eight per game right now, So very uncharacteristic of Ohio State.
But go into a hostile environment on the road against
the top twenty five opponent at the time.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
There, do we know what the penalties were?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I can, yes if I go here. Penalties all right,
So we had illegal forward passing that was that they
just lined up there, Yes, that did. Yeah, that's bad. Delay.
There's two delay of games that were on the hunting,
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which I thought that was really odd. Yeah. And then
they had an off side as well, which that was
that was on the kickoff then, so really there really
the offensive side it was fine. Offensive side it was fine.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well, the offensive side lined up didn't know how to
line they didn't know how to line up Guyle.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah. And then there was the offsetting one with Jeremiah
Smith too, but that doesn't is it added in there?
And then there were three there were three penalties on defense.
All of them were pass interference. Okay, they were not
all only Iggy had one of them. He should have
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had more, but he only had. For the stats, he
only had one. Maybe had one, uh second one. Wow,
there's a long one paragraph there passing interference on Sanchez
and then the third one was on Germaine Matthews.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Okay, discipline, I'm gonna say like a B minus.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I think, yeah that was that was what i' That's
where my head was going to be minus.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
The delay. Games on punts are annoying, but not necessarily impactful.
Pass interferences can happen, sure all right, uh special teams
Jared uh special team and has had a good return.
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He did, and it's as seems.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
To have one good one at a game on average
right now he seems to have a one in there.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
He also uh pretty skillfully prevented the on side kick.
So but like not knowing how to line up for
punts is bad, The entire punting game is bad. The
entire punting game is the not not the punt return game,
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but the actual punting game was was egregious. Yeah, yeah,
I agree. We cover kicks well, I think pretty much
All of my issues right now are specifically with the
punting game, so part of me wants to great Girl
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harshly because of that. But there are a lot of
other phases to it, so I'll probably go like a
B minus.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah I was, I was thinking of a B minus
as well. Yeah, the punny game, punny game needs needs help.
You can get away with in this in this game
in other games, but sooner or later it may it
may bite you in the bite you in the butt
where you're deep in your your own side, and then
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you need a good punt to to try to swap
fields and you're only averaging in this game thirty seven
zero point eight yards per punt that it's not going
to do it.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, yeah, I know. There's another punter on the on
the roster, another scholarship punter who's a huge human being.
I've my understanding is that there are consistency issues there.
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So it sounds like there's like a yeah, one guy
who's consistent but not necessarily has a lot doesn't necessarily
have a lot of distance, another guy who apparently has
a lot of distance but isn't super consistent. I guess
would be my my general understanding of what's happening there,
and they're just going with the consistent guy at the moment.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Sure, all right, turnovers, I mean ay plus, Yeah, you're
your plus three three three turnovers on defense. You didn't
let up any turnovers, no, no dumb turnovers on special teams. Yeah,
A plus overall offense, overall offense. I'm just kind of
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looking at the average here. It's gonna be like A.
I say, C plus. I I'm seeing for my average.
I agree, and Chat says B minus and defense. Kind
of looking at the average here, my average is kind
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of looking like it's a solid B A B yeah,
Chat has B minus.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, I guess I was. I was considering putting a
plus on that. Again. Altmeyer very very good.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
He's very good, very good.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
We said that during your Enemy. I think he's a
very good quarterback. So part of me wanted to kind
of throw him a plus on the B plus because
of the expectations of what the other team was capable of.
But yeah, overall, overall grade.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Overall grade, kind of look at this you thirty four sixteen,
you cover the spread. No, no huge injuries. I mean
we're still keep an eye on I think J. J.
Smith is fine. Keep an eye on what's happening with
Bo Jackson here. Yeah, I think overall here, I guess
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i'll say like a B B minus. So I'll say
a B. I'll stick with a B and B minus
for chat as well. Yeah, I'm just a little noo.
I'm just a little annoyed about Uh. Again, this is
just the spoiled Ohio State fan and me that sixteen
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points when I think, I think the defense is better
than that, and I think they know they're better than
that too.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
But again, I think the offense.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Looking on the other side of myer of Altmeyer being
a really good quarterback, really accurate quarterback too, There's just
there are just some dumb moments in there. You wish
that the defense had back to be able to to
stop them and get off the field.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, And honestly, my bigger issue here was on the
offense side. I'm actually like, I still have the report
card up on this monitor. I know I've taken it
off of the screen, but I think the offensive game
plan being an anus Spikes said be and I think
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he was probably at least closer to correct I the
more I think about it, I think that the offensive
game plan wasn't great coming into this game. Yeah it is.
I mean, I guess it is what it is. It's
you know, it's still you go on the road against
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a ranked Big ten opponent and you double them up
plus one, and you know that's still a good thing.
That's still a very good thing. And also, and I
including myself in this, we as Ohio State fans, we're
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the fans kind of still have this chip on their
shoulder like we got to prove something to everybody, and
I don't necessarily, I mean, that's not true anymore. We're
defending national champions. And also, like the public perception of
things used to really matter. Public perception of your team
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used to matter because you had to make it to
the top two in a popularity contest. Then you had
to make it into the top four based off of
a popularity contest. You're now in a situation where you
can just win and get in. You win your conference,
you're in, and it doesn't know one else's opinion matters
(49:54):
after that. And as proven last year, even if the
opinion you aren't necessarily super high, it's it's a much
lower bar to be one of twelve as opposed to
one of two or one of four and you can
still get in and prove yourself.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
I don't. I think we need to get out of
this mindset that any game, every single game, has to
be a game where we, you know, do a live
execution of the other team on the field, that we
need those style points every single week. When you just
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don't more correct, Yeah, you doubled You doubled up your opponent,
your conference opponent, who was ranked on the road. That's
a good day.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yep, I was trying to find it. There's no official
step but home going off of average here Ohio State punting,
if we're going off of their average punt, would put
them ranked ninety sixth in the country, roughly.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Roughly crazy to say it'd rather see Oregon in Indie
for the Big Ten Championship than Indiana. Well, too bad.
Indiana's upcoming schedule is not that great. But we can
talk about that on the Wednesday show, which is called
(51:36):
Collegiate Chaos. We have a lot to talk about on
Collegiate Chaos. Kyle, I'm not even gonna say James Franklin's
name on here when we're already fifty minutes into the show.
So ye, Kyle, is there anything in Kyle's corner.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Without talking without talking about college scope bit in general? Here,
where would you write? Where would you think of House
state opening up favored against Wisconsin this weekend? Where would
you think it opened it up at?
Speaker 1 (52:09):
I mean, I just didn't thought they just lose to Wisconsin,
like thirty seven to nothing, or excuse me, they are Wisconsin.
They just lost to Iowa.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Thirty seven nothing. Yes, my first thought was thirty one
and a half. That was my first thought was thirty
one and a half, thirty four and a half, thirty
four and a half. Spike Sas twenty five point five
Esquire twenty four, twenty eight and a half.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
That's not Kyle, that's not enough.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's not enough. All right, That's it. That's all I got.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
And Ohio State depending upon which book you looked at,
because I think depending upon the book, they either did
or didn't cover against Ohio.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Every game.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
But but I believe every other game they have definitively covered.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yes they've covered. Yes, they've they are one, two, three, four,
they are five oh and one.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Well no they're they're they're five and oh or they're
either six and o or five and one, depending upon
which casino you're using, I would say, yes, yep, correct, Yeah,
guyst a Fickle. Oh that's oh geez, that's egregious.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Who who would have thought? Who would have thought? Here
we are that Fickle would still be a head coach?
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah? No, I would not have taken that bet. Hey,
someone comes up to you to get who loses their
job for James Franklin or Luke Fickle? I know which bet.
I know which bet I would have taken.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
That's all I got. That's all I got.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Oh, man, Kyle, I think I think our Wednesday show
is going to be a binner. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
A third a third of the.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Top twenty five lost again this weekend. This last weekend,
a third of the top twenty five lost. Roughly it
was eight, which is twenty four, and there's twenty five.
But hey, let's you know, do do a little bit
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Don't see that all right, Jared, how are you doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Doing good? Doing good, doing good? I'm gonna a new tradition, tradition.
We're gonna do that quickly because the past couple of
weeks we've done a little bit over on scarletting grade.
So uh, let's let's it's not goof.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's just go for it.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Sound a good thing. Sounds good. Thirty four sixteen final
score and champagne. Another good quality road victory for Ohio State. Yeah,
I think overall happy with the win. A little banged
up with with a few players here, but yeah, I
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think I think overall. Before we get into the report
card here, just my thoughts of the game. Sure, I'll
say it's probably the sloppiest game I've seen of the
team so far. Eh, overall.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Ohio Ohio is sloppier.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I don't know, I know, but either way, either way though, yeah,
it seems it just seemed like really sloppy. And as
the game game got along went along here, Ohio State
started taking care of business and then Illinois started doing
some up tempo, got some ball movement and for the
(02:16):
first time scored a touchdown in the red zone against
Ohio State or Ohio State let up a red zone touchdown.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yep, that's hurts one, but two yeah, and first time
an opponent scores over ten points against Ohio State. We
let you know on know your enemy that Altmeyer's a
very good quarterback and he is.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, he was sixty eight. So that's really good, really
good against this Ohio State defense.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we again we told you this
is a very good quarterback that the Ohio State had
to play, you know, had some bad love. Two.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I think it was like at sixty percent or under
sixty percent that Ohio State was letting or letting quarterbacks complete,
So definitely well above that average.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah. And you know this this was a game of
like ups and downs for the defense because as you mentioned,
I mean, this was is you know, if you just
look at like yards allowed and points allowed, this was
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the defense's worse today of the season so far. At
the same time, they did force those three turnovers, right.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Three turnovers. I was not expecting that, especially with Ohio
State not really turning the ball over surprisingly or causing
turnovers on on defense here. And yeah, two fumbos in
a in a pick in this.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Game, all three turned into twenty one points. Like they gave.
They gave the offense short field. So you know what
I said, kind of an up and down day for
the defense. Lots of impact plays, but you know, maybe
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didn't manage the downs in distance the way we've seen
them do through the year.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But let's let's get into the report card.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
All right, Yeah, let's let's go and start early here.
So as always, Jared, we start with the offense here.
Game plan here, Oh, game plan. I didn't really mind.
I didn't really mind.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Have new issues with the offensive game plan.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, I would say, honestly, i'd probably saying I was
saying a minus. I think I think there was some
I think there was some think I think there were
some things that I would like to have seen how
how State do, especially especially when they needed to get
a play to get get the offense going here. But
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I think overall, I think the game plan I I
can't really complain too much about. So, yeah, a minus.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
In game coaching, I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Think you say, I know, what would you say, Jared?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They were supposed to be terrible on defense and we
struggled a bit, says Spikes. Yeah, I don't think that
was I don't think.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I don't think that was a game plant of coaching.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, in game coaching, I would say there were adjustments
that weren't made that probably could have been made to
sort of free up the running a bit. So for that,
I'll probably just say like a B MINX, I.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Was going to say B plus and Z. Spike says
Z plus or ZZ plus B plus Yeah, wow, Z
plus Z plus. Yes, all right, quarterback play, I gotta
look see if I can try to pull it up
real quick. Here Julian stan nineteen for twenty seven, one
(06:42):
hundred and sixty six yards and two touchdowns. No picks. Yeah,
in this game? Was this his? No, he definitely threw
a lot less in uh in the Texas game. This
was his. I guess you could say his worst performance
game in terms of yardage and percentage completion since that
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Texas game, which is crazy to say because at Texas
he threw the ball sixty five percent completion and here
he was seventy percent, so so really accurate. Yeah, no picks.
Still't like, I'm really really pleased have making.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's been a few games since he's thrown.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
One h yeah, since Ohio when he threw two.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Right again, sloppiest game. So, uh, you know, nothing spectacular
from Julian saying this game didn't do anything wrong, per
se didn't put up a lot of yards. A lot
of that had to do with the fact that they
faced a lot of short fields thanks to the defense. Yep,
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I'll you know, I'll go, I'll go minus. He took
care of the ball, which I think at this point
is what you expect from him.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's kind of what I'm thinking too, that he took
care of the ball. He did what he needed to,
didn't really need to force it where he where he
didn't need to got he I think we're coming up
here with the receivers here shortly but distributed the ball
really really well here. Yeah, so I thought, yeah, a
(08:31):
minus for me, and Chat says a minus as well.
All right, Jared run block. I think I think this
is where we need to grade a little bit harsher here.
No for sure, if you, if you, if you remember
when we didn't know your enemy, I am trying to
pull it up here. Illinois was seventy second in running
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yards per game at one hundred and fifty eight and
twenty seventh and rushing yards per rush at four point seven,
I would say had one hundred and six on thirty
seven carries for two point nine yards per rush.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, Jackson didn't get a lot of carries in this game.
Retweaks his ankle. Jackson was running well. He had just
shy of a five yard per carry average. The next
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Donaldson is who he is, which is mostly a short
yardage get you three or four yards kind of guy.
Ohio State needs to look at their at their running
back depth and see if they have a third running back,
because at this point I'm pretty comfortable in saying people's
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isn't it. I don't know if it's Isaiah West, I
don't know who it is, but you know, one freshman
running back is already your best running back on the team.
Maybe it's time to take a look at some of
the other young guys. Now that being said, the run
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blocking was not exceptionally good this game either, because what
we're supposed to be talking about right now not the
running backs, which I kind of just jumped on to
there for a second, but yeah, they they should have
been a game in which Ohio State went up and
down the field at ease basically all the time. I
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mean Indiana, and you know, maybe some credit to the
defensive coaching staff at Illinois, maybe Indiana exploited a bunch
of things that Illinois sort of you know, self scouted
on and corrected, and maybe those angles of exploitation were
no longer quite as bad. I don't really know. I
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don't you know, I haven't seen film yet, so I
can't say for sure. But yeah, the run blocking based
off of expectation was was was was bad. I'm gonna
say a D.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, it was not it was not good. I was
going to go with I was gonna go with a
C minus just because there there were times when they
need to get the couple of yards on third and
short and on that fourth down the defense or not
the defense, the offensive line did get the push they
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needed to, but didn't need to be put into that
situation where they needed to get that one yard they
should have had the first down or the touchdown, or
where the case may have been. So I'll give them
a little bit of credit, So I say C minus.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah. Uh, pass blocking, I felt.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Like saying most of the time, had like all day
to throw. I think the run or the past block
has been exceptional, and yeah, I'm I can't really complain
about it, so I'm gonna say an a, I thought
past block was spot on.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
No no sack again, no sacks in this game.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
No sacks. I don't particularly remember saying being forced to
scramble all that much. I mean, there were some planned
scrambles as far as rollouts and whatnot, but uh, for
the most part, I don't remember him taking any big hits.
I don't remember. I'm not gonna say he was totally clean.
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I think he was hit a couple of times, but
he did take a.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Big hit on a scramble out where he got one
yard or if that and he got he got a
big hit there, but that was that was off of
a scramble though, Right, Okay, all right, running I said.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
My piece here, if the run game is gonna struggle,
if if Jackson is going to have if he's gonna
have to be limited due to injury, and he's a
true freshman and he's already having some injury issues, you
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know they Yeah, I thought Jackson looked great. Unfortunately his
day was shortened. I'm gonna I'm gonna do like a
B minus.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's that's kind of what I was thinking to B minus.
There were times when they got hit in the backfield,
but I was able to make something out of nothing there.
So I'll give him a little bit of credit for
not taking too many tackle for losses which oissely had
four for tackle for losses on offense. Not not that great.
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They didn't lose much like on the stats sheets here,
Illinois had four tackle for losses for for five yards.
Some wasn't like they went back a lot and all that.
But but so that told you. That told you that
Hot State did not get any kind of push when
running the ball. The sneaker.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeahjillian saying had like kneeded inches and got like three
yards something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, yep, all right. Receivers, no one, no one really
stood out here. There was there were some moments here.
Jeremiah Smith with with a couple of uh splashes there,
Uh Tate with another toe tap catch in the game here.
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Nothing nothing spectacular. They just they they got the job done.
Is kind of how I took the receivers here. What
was he here? For five catches by Ohio State's tight ends.
They're really really getting really getting the tight ends involved
these past few games here, as we're starting to see
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a lot of twelve and even thirteen formations here.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean part of the problem there is,
you know, to maybe jump back to the run blocking
real quick. Claire had a couple bad misses from a
run blocking a really point Yeah. So unfortunately, right, Wow,
it looks like you're in a situation where you have
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your blocking tight end and you have your pass catching
tight end, and that you know, you can't just have
one end when you're gonna run and one in when
you're gonna pass. That's a little too obvious of a tell.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Ye in the in the one miss block and that
got Smith like really hurt there, got Amation worried up there.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Spikes points out down in the chat. Yeah, but now
I think I thought the receivers did fine. Unfortunately, Illinois
deployed the the dreaded you know, umbrella defense and was
sort of forcing everything underneath for Ohio State. There's a
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lot of holes in the Illinois defense, but their safeties
are not one of those holes. You know. I think
Cox had a great game for them. It was all
over the field. Uh, but yeah, high expectations for the
receivers didn't necessarily meet those high expectations. I'll say, like a.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Bee, yep, I was thinking b plus, they did what
they needed to. I can't really I can't really think
of like a a drop or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, I mean they didn't do I mean, they didn't
do anything wrong. That's why I didn't take them down
into C your d territory. But I didn't. You know,
no one exactly took over.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The game either, yep, okay, uh drives and conversion. So
howse State was eight for fifteen and one for one
on on eight for fifteen on third downs and one
for one on fourth downs, so over fifty percent. When
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let's see Illinois was well, yeah, they were letting up
forty five percent, which is one of the worst in
the in the country. There, so did what they needed to,
But I felt like they could have converted more of
those third downs if if they run blocking got got
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a little bit better there.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Sure, say like as also had to settle for two
field goals. Again, twenty one of the thirty four points
we're off of short field, you know, off of short
field provided by the defense. You know, Yeah, I think
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I think I think B minus is probably fine. Okay,
is that what you said too? Yep?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
B minus yep, and Chet says be minus all right.
Last one, explosiveness According to what I see here, I
do comparison, if I do big plays, actually the longest.
What would you think about how State's longest play was?
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How many yards?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I think I know it was Claire for twenty two?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Twenty two yards? Yeah, they're they're.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Outside.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
They only had three three questions with.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
The Jackson long handoff pass which ended up going for
a touchdown. I don't know, I just didn't. They didn't
feel explosive at any point to me.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Correct Yep. Three three plays that went over fifteen yards
in the passing and three plays that went ten yards
or more on on the ground and looking at the
other way, Illinois had nine big plays if I'm wanting
to flip that. But we'll cover that on the defensive side.
So explosiveness not good, I'm going to say. I'm going
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to say D plus not good. Yeah, I said, especially
when you especially when you needed to, you should have
been able to move the ball a little bit better
on this defense. I mean we were, we were just
when we talked about this, Illinois defense. We were like, hus,
it's going to be able to just sort their will
on this team and be able to just move at ease.
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And there's times like they really couldn't. They couldn't get
anything done on the ground again, two point nine yards
on the trail.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Just look at what Indiana did against them.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, yep, all right, and Chat says a d Yeah,
I got it. Yeah, all right with that, that is
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Speaker 1 (21:08):
All right, Kyle, Time for the defense.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
All right, defense here. First thing. I can't complain too
much of what they were trying to do, And honestly,
I thought overall that the defense did really well, and
we talked about it on Friday's Friday Thursday's episode, that
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Altmeyer's a really good quarterback, very very accurate passer. Maybe
the best accurate passer or Ohio State will face all
season here, and he he lived up to it sixty
eight percent. But I thought Ohio State really contained him
and his his his passing attack here, and we knew
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we knew he was going to make some place here.
But I thought were all what the defense was trying
to do. I can't really can't really complain too much
about it. Yeah, he was definitely frustrating that first half. Yeah,
those first two drives, you can definitely see the Ohio
State got got into his head his head there, But
as soon as Illinois went up tempo there, all of
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a sudden kind of got hot State off balance. And
how State did kind of respond a little bit after that,
but they did catch a State off guard there. So
I'll say an A minus for the game plan.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I'll go with the I'll go with the standard day, Okay.
I think the in game coaching was more my concern
as far as you know, maybe they weren't expecting Illinois
to go up tempo, they didn't necessarily adjust to it
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well or quickly, you know. At the same time, the
second Illinois touchdown was kinda whatever, like the game was
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over at that point. The starters were still in don't
get me wrong, but like whatever, but still would like
to see the passion stay up. Still would like to
see the you know, everyone keep coaching. But Illinois made
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some adjustments in Ohio State just kind of didn't necessarily
seem to care that much. So I'll probably go with
like a bee here.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I mean that's fair. I was kind of thinking of
B plus I, yeah, I can't complain too much. I'm
definitely going to gray. I'm a little bit lower there.
But man like, even though Aho State did let up
to touchdowns in the red zone, especially that first drop,
that first time that Illinois got into the red zone,
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and everybody was just going absolutely nut to be like
how can they how can they keep getting away with this?
That that kind of uh. But but all good things
do come and end unfortunately, But yeah, I think it'd
be pluses is uh is a good grade. Uh Tackling.
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This is a very very well coached and disciplined team
when it comes to tackling. I don't really see any
mistackles none that I can really think about. Hand. I
feel like I'm repeating myself from last week. So A
I thought tackling was right on. Yeah, I agree, Hey, okay,
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all right, well we'll move on to run stop. State
still very very good when it comes to stopping the run.
One of the best top ten opponents yards per rush
helped them out here that they held Illinois to one
point seven yards per rush here twenty seven attempts forty
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seven yards. You can't get much better than that. I
can't get much better, So heck i'll get I'll throw
an eight plus on there. I thought it was really
good you held you held Illinois to one point seven
yards when yeah, I mean, they weren't the best team
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offensively when running a ball when they were averaging three
point three per carry, But yeah, I was really happy
with how they were stopping Illinois rushing attacks.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Out eight plus one of their running backs at a
six point three per carry average. I can't give them
the plus.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Sure, and he had he had and that one run
was half was half of his yardage there.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I understand how many carries eight eight at eight eight
carries fifty yards a touchdown along of twenty three.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
All right, pass rush for sacks. We knew that Altmire
is got hit, is constantly getting hit all season. He
had nineteen going into this game, tack on four more
after this one for twenty three times this year. You
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gotta protect your quarterback there. I thought the pass rush did.
I thought they did well later on in the game.
Early on, I felt like I felt like we weren't
getting getting getting home in time. But I feel like
that's spent all year. It's kind of see how Illinois
plays plays offensively and then build a game plan from there.
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That's kind of how I see it though. But i'd
say an as I thought, I thought they did pretty
well from the pass rush.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, there are definitely situations, and I think it's not
as bad as some OHIS fans think it is, because
there are definitely situations in which the defense just kind
of rushes three and sits back in innate person zone
and it's hard to get pressure in those situations. But
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at the same time, they aren't winning enough when it's four,
when there's four defensive linemen and they're all going after
the quarterback. They need to win those battles more often
and quickly quicker than they're doing than they're doing now.
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They weren't even trying to shed the block instantly locked up. Yeah,
and there was still a bit of containment happening too. Yeah,
I mean it's not Yeah, I mean I'm definitely going
with like a bee. They need to be better when
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rushing just four.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Sure, I was trying to find the number. I think
I might have found it. I think he was. He
was averaging. It was right around two and a half
seconds per throw. Yeah, so he's getting rid of the
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ball quickly. So it's hard hard getting home on average there.
But I think the times that he did hold onto
the ball a little bit longer out of state did
did make them pay there. Pass coverage, past coverage, man,
this is this is tough, just because we knew Altmeyer's again,
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I feel like being a broken record here apologized very
accurate passer sixty eight percent. He was thirty for forty
four two forty eight yards touchdown interception. I thought pass coverage,
they didn't really, they didn't let anything deep. Everything was
in front of them. They they made alt Meyer just
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work for every completion, really worked through it. And I thought,
I thought, overall the past coverage is there? Who just
Allmyer just made just made better better throws. And you
hear it all the time too about I think it
like it in a basketball analogy, where you can play
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you can have a really good defense, but if you
just got someone who can just just shoot up a
three with a with a hand in your face, that's
just a heck of a shot. This is just a
heck of a quarterback making plays there. Even with the
defensive backs just all over the uh the receivers.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
There, they weren't always all over them though.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I thought overall they were. Yes, there were times that
they weren't, but I thought overall they the defensive backs
did a pretty good job.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We've talked a lot about how Ohio State has sort
of allowed, you know, they they they're super strict on
like the run and the short stuff, and they're super
strict on not letting any big plays behind them, and
as a result, the middle of the field kind of
sometimes it gets lost. And they were doing that again
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this game. But I think the difference here being that
Altmeyer was good enough to take advantage of that. You know,
you could you could up until this point with every
quarterback they played. You could basically threaten them. You could
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say to them, yeah, just try and hit those intermediate
passes consistently, we dare you. Just try and build your
entire offense or on that problem was is that you
know not you know, they have good receivers, they have
a great quarterback. They were able to do that and
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that's how, you know, So we could probably maybe call
this more of a defensive scheme issues. Maybe we revisit,
you know, game plan as opposed to the players in
pass coverage. I'm actually sort of talking myself into that.
I think I'm gonna maybe drop the defensive game plan
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down to a BE because I think they were basically
in the in game coaching. Maybe down to a B
minus because I think they were basically kind of running
the same defense of just like daring the quarterback to
complete those intermediate passes all game. But Altmeyer was capable
of doing that.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So would you say the past coverage then is.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I'm gonna say a B because I think it was
mostly a game plan issue and not necessarily a player issue.
So maybe even more like a B plus.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Okay, yeah, I was saying I was thinking B plus
for for the past coverage too. I don't let's see,
let's see if this actually has it. I don't know
if this covers uh past breakups. Uh i'se had six
past breakups in this game, Yeah, I had Iggy had
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four of those.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
He also had a couple uncalled penalties if we're being honest,
I mean sure, sure, all right, Uh impact plays.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Impact plays three four seven turnovers, And it has to
be said those three turnovers led to twenty one points
that itself, right, there is an impact play itself. So
absolutely it's gonna be an A plus. That's gonna be
an a plus.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah. Defense essentially, you know, sets up twenty one offensive points.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, all right, all right, stops Illinois four for fourteen
on third downs. Okay, that's good, But then there were
three for five on fourth down. So if you take
that in combination up third downs, they were seven for
fourteen in conversions fifty Not good. That's not good in
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terms of how of what Ohio State has done historically,
Like they they held teams to twenty one percent twenty
one percent, well, but it actually was lower than that.
It was like eighteen percent before this game, eighteen or
nineteen percent, but it's higher now. Uh yeah, not good
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in my eyes here. So I'm gonna say see, I'll
say a sea one stops.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, I'll go B minus. But yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And chat say and C plus all right, Jared, And
the last one is don't break.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
They didn't have what their longest play was twenty yards?
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Uh? Their longest play was twenty three yards by that
one rush? Oh okay, yeah, but their longest pass was
twenty yards.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Longest pass was twenty longest reception or excuse me, longest
reception was twenty longest run was twenty three. Yeah. No,
I mean in a large part to the fact that
they're a very disciplined tackling team. This defense is still
doing a really good job not allowing big plays.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, yep, allowed two plays of twenty plus yards, but
zero of thirty plus. Yeah. I mean, so I'll say,
as this is just the spoiled person in me, I
was saying A minus honestly keeping everything in front. That's
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just kind of defense out how state is right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, I think the A minus is fine.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay, all right, anything else before we take an ad
break and talk about the team overall.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Here, yep, let's do that, all right?
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our ratings all right overall, in game contract, in game,
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in game coaching. I'll say in a.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, I think I would have preferred Yeah, chat is
saying b I'm more I'm more on their side of
it as far as you know. And I'm going to
bring this up again when we talk about motivation and effort.
You they they did not keep their foot on the pedal,
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and I think that needs to be criticized.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, no, you're a yeah, changed mind to be. I
was kind of looking at kind of cross like average
of game playing across but no, you're you're right, yeah,
in game coaching. Yeah, I kind of wish they may
made all myer. They took away those intermediate intermittent intermediate,
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if I can talk, passes a little bit more motivation.
But the motivation was there, I didn't an effort was there.
I can't. I can't really ring down from them there.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So I say, like, I disagree because I think they
started off with good motivation and effort, but I think
they're kind of just going through the motions in the second.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Or would I say so, I would? Okay, all right,
I'll say a mis execute execution execution. I think I'm
gonna I'm gonna judge Harshall on the execution side, offensive
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line not getting it done on the rushing side. And yeah,
I'm I'm gonna say execution wise like a like a
C plus, I'll say C plus on execution.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Interesting, I'm leaning more towards there were I'm not gonna
say there weren't execution issues, because there were, But I
think my blame's more on the coaches this week than
field execution personally.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Okay, yep, C plus for a chat as well here
discipline AUSSI had a lot of a lot of penalty
seven uncharacteristic for them. Seven pen penalties for fifty nine yards?
What what are they?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
They were?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, they were one of the top in the country.
They were averaging it was like right at four penalties
per game. That that raised that up to four point
eight per game right now, So very uncharacteristic of Ohio State.
But go into a hostile environment on the road against
the top twenty five opponent at the time.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
There, do we know what the penalties were?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I can, yes if I go here. Penalties all right,
So we had illegal forward passing that was that they
just lined up there, Yes, that did. Yeah, that's bad. Delay.
There's two delay of games that were on the hunting,
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which I thought that was really odd. Yeah. And then
they had an off side as well, which that was
that was on the kickoff then, so really there really
the offensive side it was fine. Offensive side it was fine.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well, the offensive side lined up didn't know how to
line they didn't know how to line up Guyle.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah. And then there was the offsetting one with Jeremiah
Smith too, but that doesn't is it added in there?
And then there were three there were three penalties on defense.
All of them were pass interference. Okay, they were not
all only Iggy had one of them. He should have
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had more, but he only had. For the stats, he
only had one. Maybe had one, uh second one. Wow,
there's a long one paragraph there passing interference on Sanchez
and then the third one was on Germaine Matthews.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Okay, discipline, I'm gonna say like a B minus.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I think, yeah that was that was what i' That's
where my head was going to be minus.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
The delay. Games on punts are annoying, but not necessarily impactful.
Pass interferences can happen, sure all right, uh special teams
Jared uh special team and has had a good return.
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He did, and it's as seems.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
To have one good one at a game on average
right now he seems to have a one in there.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
He also uh pretty skillfully prevented the on side kick.
So but like not knowing how to line up for
punts is bad, The entire punting game is bad. The
entire punting game is the not not the punt return game,
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but the actual punting game was was egregious. Yeah, yeah,
I agree. We cover kicks well, I think pretty much
All of my issues right now are specifically with the
punting game, so part of me wants to great Girl
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harshly because of that. But there are a lot of
other phases to it, so I'll probably go like a
B minus.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah I was, I was thinking of a B minus
as well. Yeah, the punny game, punny game needs needs help.
You can get away with in this in this game
in other games, but sooner or later it may it
may bite you in the bite you in the butt
where you're deep in your your own side, and then
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you need a good punt to to try to swap
fields and you're only averaging in this game thirty seven
zero point eight yards per punt that it's not going
to do it.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, yeah, I know. There's another punter on the on
the roster, another scholarship punter who's a huge human being.
I've my understanding is that there are consistency issues there.
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So it sounds like there's like a yeah, one guy
who's consistent but not necessarily has a lot doesn't necessarily
have a lot of distance, another guy who apparently has
a lot of distance but isn't super consistent. I guess
would be my my general understanding of what's happening there,
and they're just going with the consistent guy at the moment.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Sure, all right, turnovers, I mean ay plus, Yeah, you're
your plus three three three turnovers on defense. You didn't
let up any turnovers, no, no dumb turnovers on special teams. Yeah,
A plus overall offense, overall offense. I'm just kind of
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looking at the average here. It's gonna be like A.
I say, C plus. I I'm seeing for my average.
I agree, and Chat says B minus and defense. Kind
of looking at the average here, my average is kind
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of looking like it's a solid B A B yeah,
Chat has B minus.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, I guess I was. I was considering putting a
plus on that. Again. Altmeyer very very good.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
He's very good, very good.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
We said that during your Enemy. I think he's a
very good quarterback. So part of me wanted to kind
of throw him a plus on the B plus because
of the expectations of what the other team was capable of.
But yeah, overall, overall grade.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Overall grade, kind of look at this you thirty four sixteen,
you cover the spread. No, no huge injuries. I mean
we're still keep an eye on I think J. J.
Smith is fine. Keep an eye on what's happening with
Bo Jackson here. Yeah, I think overall here, I guess
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i'll say like a B B minus. So I'll say
a B. I'll stick with a B and B minus
for chat as well. Yeah, I'm just a little noo.
I'm just a little annoyed about Uh. Again, this is
just the spoiled Ohio State fan and me that sixteen
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points when I think, I think the defense is better
than that, and I think they know they're better than
that too.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
But again, I think the offense.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Looking on the other side of myer of Altmeyer being
a really good quarterback, really accurate quarterback too, There's just
there are just some dumb moments in there. You wish
that the defense had back to be able to to
stop them and get off the field.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, And honestly, my bigger issue here was on the
offense side. I'm actually like, I still have the report
card up on this monitor. I know I've taken it
off of the screen, but I think the offensive game
plan being an anus Spikes said be and I think
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he was probably at least closer to correct I the
more I think about it, I think that the offensive
game plan wasn't great coming into this game. Yeah it is.
I mean, I guess it is what it is. It's
you know, it's still you go on the road against
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a ranked Big ten opponent and you double them up
plus one, and you know that's still a good thing.
That's still a very good thing. And also, and I
including myself in this, we as Ohio State fans, we're
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the fans kind of still have this chip on their
shoulder like we got to prove something to everybody, and
I don't necessarily, I mean, that's not true anymore. We're
defending national champions. And also, like the public perception of
things used to really matter. Public perception of your team
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used to matter because you had to make it to
the top two in a popularity contest. Then you had
to make it into the top four based off of
a popularity contest. You're now in a situation where you
can just win and get in. You win your conference,
you're in, and it doesn't know one else's opinion matters
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after that. And as proven last year, even if the
opinion you aren't necessarily super high, it's it's a much
lower bar to be one of twelve as opposed to
one of two or one of four and you can
still get in and prove yourself.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
I don't. I think we need to get out of
this mindset that any game, every single game, has to
be a game where we, you know, do a live
execution of the other team on the field, that we
need those style points every single week. When you just
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don't more correct, Yeah, you doubled You doubled up your opponent,
your conference opponent, who was ranked on the road. That's
a good day.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yep, I was trying to find it. There's no official
step but home going off of average here Ohio State punting,
if we're going off of their average punt, would put
them ranked ninety sixth in the country, roughly.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Roughly crazy to say it'd rather see Oregon in Indie
for the Big Ten Championship than Indiana. Well, too bad.
Indiana's upcoming schedule is not that great. But we can
talk about that on the Wednesday show, which is called
(51:36):
Collegiate Chaos. We have a lot to talk about on
Collegiate Chaos. Kyle, I'm not even gonna say James Franklin's
name on here when we're already fifty minutes into the show.
So ye, Kyle, is there anything in Kyle's corner.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Without talking without talking about college scope bit in general? Here,
where would you write? Where would you think of House
state opening up favored against Wisconsin this weekend? Where would
you think it opened it up at?
Speaker 1 (52:09):
I mean, I just didn't thought they just lose to Wisconsin,
like thirty seven to nothing, or excuse me, they are Wisconsin.
They just lost to Iowa.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Thirty seven nothing. Yes, my first thought was thirty one
and a half. That was my first thought was thirty
one and a half, thirty four and a half, thirty
four and a half. Spike Sas twenty five point five
Esquire twenty four, twenty eight and a half.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
That's not Kyle, that's not enough.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's not enough. All right, That's it. That's all I got.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
And Ohio State depending upon which book you looked at,
because I think depending upon the book, they either did
or didn't cover against Ohio.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Every game.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
But but I believe every other game they have definitively covered.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yes they've covered. Yes, they've they are one, two, three, four,
they are five oh and one.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Well no they're they're they're five and oh or they're
either six and o or five and one, depending upon
which casino you're using, I would say, yes, yep, correct, Yeah,
guyst a Fickle. Oh that's oh geez, that's egregious.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Who who would have thought? Who would have thought? Here
we are that Fickle would still be a head coach?
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah? No, I would not have taken that bet. Hey,
someone comes up to you to get who loses their
job for James Franklin or Luke Fickle? I know which bet.
I know which bet I would have taken.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
That's all I got. That's all I got.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
Oh, man, Kyle, I think I think our Wednesday show
is going to be a binner. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
A third a third of the.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Top twenty five lost again this weekend. This last weekend,
a third of the top twenty five lost. Roughly it
was eight, which is twenty four, and there's twenty five.
But hey, let's you know, do do a little bit
a rounding for me, all right. Tonight's ending music brought
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to you by a band called My Own Desert Island.
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