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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Sojo
Show with Jen and AJ, where
you'll dig deep into God's Wordalongside two imperfect,
frequently ineloquent women, aswe discover fresh ways to walk
out God's truth together.
Hello, welcome to the Sojo Show.
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My name is Jen.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And I'm AJ and we are
together.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Together.
We are sitting side by side.
There should be a song aboutthat.
Is there a song about that?
I'm sure there is.
I'm sure there is too, butwe're together and we are going
to chat today.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yay, about some fun
things, I know, and it's been a
little bit since we've put outan episode.
So yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Jen.
Yeah, welcome back, aj.
So if you guys are listeningand you want to keep listening,
give us ideas of what to chatabout, because we chat a lot but
we don't know what you want tohear.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, we don't know
if it's any good or not.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, we don't know
if it's any good or not.
We don't know if we're actuallyhitting any anybody where they
need to be hit, so but butwelcome to the Sojo show.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
So I have a question
for you really quickly.
We used to start the shows withlike personal questions I was
going to say silly questions,but personal questions and this
question is we've kind of beentalking a little bit about this
this weekend, a little bit.
But so here's my question toyou have you ever been called a
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boomer and are you a boomer?
No offense to the boomers inthe world.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So are you asking me?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm asking you.
I'm asking you how often do youget?
Are you asking me?
I'm asking you.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I'm asking you how
often do you get?
That is just mean.
That was that was mean, becauseI'm not a boomer.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, we have a lot
of boomers that are listening
right, so it's.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
it's not mean to call
somebody a boomer if they are
one, but it is mean to callsomeone who is, like, not a
boomer.
So what are you?
So I have Gen X man, I'm thebest generation.
I get this all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I know me too.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I'm the best
generation, me too.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So we're both firmly
Gen X.
We're like the older Gen X too.
No, you're like middle.
I'm older Really.
Yeah, you're that much olderthan me, I, yeah that much older
than me, I think the youngestGen X right now is about 45.
And the oldest is like 58.
I don't know, I don't rememberexactly.
I looked it up at one point,but the point is that we're kind
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of mid Gen X but we are firmlyin the Generation X camp.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes, and I'm so pro
Gen Xers.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'm telling you, the
older I get, the more I'm so pro
Gen Xers.
I know.
I'm telling you like the olderI get, the more.
Just, I'm just a champion.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Why I?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
don't know.
I really do feel it's the bestgeneration, and I'm sorry I'm so
many people mad right now, Iknow that but so I just feel
like it's the best.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, so maybe this
podcast should be on our
identity being in Christ and notin generation.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, so there's a
reason that you asked maybe that
ties into why I'm saying this,you know, and why we need to
have this conversation.
So why is is this question?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, yeah, so we've
heard a lot more about, I think
that we've heard a lot moreabout generations recently, you
know, and maybe it's becausethere's like the whole Gen Z
generation is now old enough tokind of call themselves out and
now there's a whole Gen Alpha,right so, but they're still
babies, not babies, but they'relittles.
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The Gen Z people are like grownup, they're like turning into,
they're like grownups.
Gen z people are like grown up,they're like turning into,
they're like grown-ups.
They are grown-ups, a lot ofthem.
And then the millennials, whoused to be the youngsters, the
babies.
They're like like starting,they're hitting their stride,
man, yeah, and then, um, so sothe point is is that I'm where
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people are identifying withdifferent generations and
they're generalizing thecharacteristics in many
generations, right, and thereason I'm bringing this up is
because sometimes we are not asgracious as we should be to
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other generations and I'm usingthat term very, very loosely,
just to other people that wedon't completely understand, and
we saw this kind of exhibitedrecently.
Someone who made, you know,made a comment that was
interesting and it made it, madeus kind of realize that we all
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have the same goal and as we getolder, as we get, as we Gen
Xers get older and boomers andwhat's above them, silent,
there's still some of thosearound.
Yeah, I don't know the ages,but anyway.
But the point is that as we getolder, we start to think about
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things more and how we should beliving and how we should be
pouring ourselves out for thegospel and how sometimes we
don't do that well.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, yeah, and
that's really what we're going
to talk about today.
Well, yeah, and that's that'sreally what we're going to talk
about today.
The.
The crux, the crux of what wewant to discuss is how we are to
be lived, poured out.
We are to lay it all on thefield, we are to hold nothing
tightly, and in order to do that, we need to be super gracious
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to others, especially when wedon't understand them and when
we think we're convinced in ourhearts they're just flat out
wrong, like what they're doingis wrong, their approach to
whatever is wrong.
You know, their ideologies arewrong and we have maybe even
biblical backup for that, ourstance, but that doesn't change
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the fact that we are still toserve and to be gracious and to
love, and to love and to begenerous, you know, to people
who we don't feel give us thesame thing in return.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Right, right, and I
think that as we do get older,
where, however old you are,you're getting older, and I
think that we do sometimesbecome more fixed in our ways,
although I do think that we dothink that this younger this is
maybe just maybe it's already,but I think this younger
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generation is they have anidentity and kind of they, they
kind of believe in a lot.
I'm not talking about biblicalbeliefs.
Our theology should all be this, or not necessarily our
theology, but our stance on thetruths of the gospel should all
be the same.
But, um like, socially,culturally, I think that they
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have a lot of beliefs, but as weget older, the point is is that
, as we get older, I think thatwe need to be clear on those
things and what is the mostimportant to like stick our flag
in the ground about.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So yeah, so what is
like the verse that we are
trying to kind of springboardoff of, because I think this
whole concept is part of abigger concept thought, and so
let's just kind of back out andlook at the whole overall
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concept from scripture thatwe're trying to make clear, and
I think that'll give us a betteroverview.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Rail it in a little
bit, okay, so rein it in a
little bit, I should say so.
In Philippians, the verse wherewe kind of are focusing on is
in Philippians, chapter two, andthis is when Paul is talking to
the Philippians, obviously.
And he says in verse 14, do allthings without grumbling or
disputing that you may beblameless and innocent children
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of God, without blemish, in themidst of a crooked and twisted
generation, which I mean, howapical is that?
Hello, right Among whom youshine as lights in the world.
Okay, this is what he's tellingthe Philippian church, and the
Holy Spirit is also telling usHolding fast to the word of life
so that in the day of Christ Imay be proud that I did not run
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in vain or labor in vain.
And then this verse 17, even ifI am to be poured out as a
drink offering upon thesacrificial offering of your
faith, I am glad and rejoicewith you all.
Likewise, you also should beglad and rejoice with me.
So what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, so I mean
there's a lot there, but the key
phrase we want to talk about onthis episode is what it means
to be poured out and what itmeans to be that kind of
sacrifice.
What kind of life does thatlook like?
You know, especially in themiddle of a perverse generation
that we are honestly we are atodds with and they are at odds
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with us?
There's no, and this hasnothing to do with age.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, we're not
talking about generations like
Gen X and Gen Z.
We're talking about the culture, the evil that is in the world
today.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Right the day and age
that we live in.
It is full of antagonismagainst the things of Christ,
and so how do we willinglyaccept being poured out as a
drink offering?
I mean, what is thesignificance of that from the
Old Testament, Jen, Because wetalked about this a little bit
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before we came on.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, well, it comes
from the verse.
I mean the reference.
There is the verse in Numbers,if you do cross-referencing, and
it's just when they're talkingabout the offerings and they,
you know, they offer a lamb inthe morning and a lamb at
twilight, and there's a drinkoffering that is poured out to
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the Lord onto the lamb.
Basically, I mean it is, it isa, it's a sign of surrender, is
what it was, and it wasbasically where they are.
It was a sacrificial system.
Of course we know that thatsacrificial system is a
precursor, is a look to thesacrifice that you know.
We no longer have to sacrificelambs in the morning, in
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twilight.
Right, thank, goodness Thankgoodness, because Christ came
and he, of course, fulfilled thelaw, and so Christ was a
sacrificial lamb, but in thatday they poured out drink in
order to show their reverence toa holy God.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, and if I'm not
mistaken, this was not like one
of the required sacrifices.
This is one that was donevoluntarily, so it is a.
So when Paul uses this, he'sbasically saying I'm voluntarily
giving my life away, I'mletting it be poured out.
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It wasn't one of the you knowrequirements.
It was to be freely given.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Mm-hmm, well, and
then.
So then Paul uses this in thiscurrent setting, when he's
talking to the Philippians andhe's basically cause, he's
comparing himself to thatoffering, to the, because he's
comparing himself to thatoffering, to the drink, right,
and so the drink offering wasvaluable, what was in the vessel
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was valuable, but it was pouredout, completely for God, and
he's describing himself likethat, like, even if I am poured
out and there's nothing left ofme, he says this this is what
I'm saying, I am glad and Irejoice, and you should be glad
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and rejoice with me.
And so, of course, paul is mostof his writings.
He was not in, he was beingpoured out and he was in prison.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, which that kind
of is convicting to me.
Because how many times have Ithought in my heart when doing X
, y, z task, or seeing a taskthat I'm doing as a burden, how
many times have I thought thisis a waste of my time?
I've thought that a lot, youknow, like if somebody needs me
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because they've forgottensomething and I have to stop
what I'm doing and go take careof their need, go pick up the
book they forgot in their youknow closet buried under their
clothes, you know, and I'mthinking this is such a waste of
my time.
You know that is not a biblicalperspective, because I'm not
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willingly saying okay, I amwilling to be poured out, I'm
willing to do things that don'tfeel like they're worth my time
because I'm loving someone andI'm ultimately loving Christ by
caring for this person.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
And we as the church
it becomes.
I mean it's part of ourtestimony, it's part of our
witness to an onlooking world.
I mean, you know, just thatsimple example of something.
If we are grumbly, grumbly,grumbly about things in our
lives, they don't have to beeven particularly related to our
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service in the church, but ifwe're grumbly about it, then
that is not a sweet aroma.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
And you know that it
can be, it's convicted.
We all fail in this, but Ithink it's important to
recognize that our goal is to bepoured out Right.
It is to be poured out for thesake of the gospel and that's
why I was saying at thebeginning that as we get, as
we're Gen X and as we get older,we recognize that this is
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important.
I mean, I don't want to leavethis earth and not have done all
that that God wants me to dofor the kingdom.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And a lot of times,
though, when we take that
approach, we do start to think,we start to label things, we
start to label activities asbeing worthy or not worthy, but
the fact of the matter is beingpoured.
Out can look any number of ways, and not only that, but we're
not just to be poured out, weare to be glad in the pouring
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Right, and I think that isreally significant too.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And you know.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It kind of goes back
to how can we rejoice in this?
Because we're following inChrist's footsteps, because
Christ was the ultimate drinkoffer right, he poured himself
out for us.
Obviously it's differentsituation, but he, he gave his
all for us and did it willingly,and we then can do, we can
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follow in that, and so we canpour ourselves out too, and I
like to use the phrase leave iton the field when we were
talking about this kind ofconcept.
It always makes me think of afootball game.
I actually looked it up onetime and I think it's more
related to soccer, I know but,but I always knew it based on
football, because I have afootball player or raised one.
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He's not, he's grown now.
But the point is that you knowthat's what coaches say.
You know, leave it all outthere, it'd be completely spent
at the end of the game,completely spent, nothing left
to give.
And that's the way we're to beat the end of our lives for his
glory, and that is when we'rethe most satisfied.
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I really, really believe thatand that's it's a constant
struggle.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Well, and so just
thinking about how we don't do
that, how we fail to do, that iswhen we hold things too tightly
, whether that's our timewhether that's our affection,
which we can do, ladies, whetherthat's generosity in our, in
our pocketbooks, or just ouremotional generosity, you know,
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of giving somebody what theyneed in that moment.
Whatever that is, it's when wehold things too tightly because
we don't, we're afraid ofletting it go, or we just don't
feel like we want to.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You know that is the
opposite of being poured out and
leaving it all in the field.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah.
And no matter how old you are,no matter which generation you
fall in Z, millennial, x, boomer, silent or even alpha, no
matter what generation I mean,you have life to live and you
have life to give Right, and weshould all be looking for ways
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to build one another up and topoint others to the cross.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I kind of like how
you said that, because it's not
just a life to live.
It's, ultimately it is a lifeto give.
And maybe if we thought of ourlives not in terms of living but
in terms of giving, then we'dbe on more on point.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And and you know,
going back to you mentioned, you
know we can follow Christ inthis.
We can also look to him as theultimate example of it being
worth it, because you know, whenwe live this lifestyle, people
may take advantage of us, peoplemay hurt us, people may scam us
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.
You know people will notappreciate us.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And yet, well, they
will hate us, the world will
hate us, right, they will hateus, the world will hate us,
right.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
They will oppose us
but and that can make it harder
to live open-handedly like that.
But when we look to Christ, weknow it's all worth it in the
end.
You know it, it will be worthit.
We will not regret the decisionto live this way.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right, yeah, and I
just think it's a good reminder.
It's a really good reminder,and we can look at other people
with so much more grace when wethink through the lens of the
gospel all the time and we thinkof living and giving.
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Yeah, I love.
I think it's a reminder for me.
It's a good reminder for me, metoo.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
We needed this
conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Okay, so I hope that
we're.
We would love to know.
So, ladies, comment in thecomment section of the podcast
area-ish, if you, if you'relistening on Apple, there's a
comment section.
I know I don't know about theother places, but leave us a
comment and let us know what,what generation are you and how
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you know and and justrecommitting to giving, leaving
it all in the field and givingit all away for the gospel being
poured out for the gospel.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So yeah, it's a great
way to live.
It is a great way to give.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It is a great way to
give yes, and we are studying
this in August of 2024 in SojoAcademy, the it's called.
We're doing a study calledBeautiful Emptiness, so if
you're listening to this at atime around that, go check that
out.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
We'll link it below,
but um yeah, this is a study I
think we all need, just it'ssuch a good reminder.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It is it is.
And we hope that you are not,yes, maybe a little convicted,
but mostly encouraged.
Encouraged and ready to fightanother day.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, yeah.
And to know that you can becountercultural.
You know it's okay to notlisten to all the messages out
there that are like don't letanybody get one over on you and
live for yourself and all allthe things, and you can follow
the voice of Christ and berewarded for that.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, yeah, a hundred
percent, all right.
Well, you guys have a great dayand we will see you next time
on the Sojo show.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
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