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Family connections intertwine with ghostly tales in this engaging episode featuring Billy Shadow and his son, Aaron Johnson. They share both amusing and eerie stories from their lives, focusing on supernatural experiences, childhood fears stemming from horror movies, and their encounters with sleep paralysis. 

• Exploration of a mysterious water incident in Billy's apartment 
• Aaron recounts a similar paranormal encounter 
• Discussion of favorite horror films and their impact 
• Insights into the phenomenon of sleep paralysis 
• Light-hearted banter reflecting familial bond and shared experiences

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, it's producer David Fine, back here
with you in the studio.
Folks, this episode is epic.
I just got finished editing andI couldn't stop laughing.
Of course we had another ShadowKid.
Actually we had two Shadow Kidson this week.
We had the youngest, levi.
He dropped by, gave his twocents on some movies and some

(00:21):
hauntings that he has been apart of at a young age, and we
talked to Aaron Johnson.
Of course, billy's other kidand rumor has it Billy's other
kid is kind of jealous andjonesing to be on the program,
so he will be on coming up verysoon.
Of course.
I make my voice and presenceknown.
Come to find out what myfavorite movie is.

(00:44):
It's a great episode that talksabout uh hauntings, but we go
off on a little tangents, onscary movies, on just different
fun things.
It's a it's a fun episode thatyou're definitely, definitely
gonna laugh about.
So, without further ado, mrannouncer man, take it away.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Welcome to the Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast dedicated to
all things strange, mysteriousand just plain out of the
ordinary.
Your guide on this audioodyssey is Billy Shadow.
Billy's travels and experienceshave led him to witness
exorcisms, cult mind controlevents, ghosts and other
supernatural phenomena.
It is because of his interestin these experiences that this

(01:27):
podcast was created.
And now your host, billy Shadow.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Welcome again to the Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast.
I'm your host, billy Shadow, asthe announcer said earlier, and
today we have a very specialguest, my son, aaron Johnson,
joining us from Albany, georgia,and today we're going to get
into probably a little bit ofeverything, of course, him being
he being my son, we'll talkabout maybe some things that we

(01:57):
both can relate to as far as hischildhood and my adulthood, and
maybe some few scary stories inthere.
We're going to start off withletting aaron talk a little bit
about himself.
It's it's very strange to be onwith my uh, he's my oldest son,
by the way, aaron is.
I have four, four children andhe's the oldest son, and I have

(02:18):
a daughter that is the actualoldest child of mine.
Without, without further ado,I'm going to let Aaron tell us a
little bit about himself, whathe does down there in Albany and
how excited he is to be on theSonic Hitchhiker podcast.
What do you think, aaron?

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I think asking me to tell you about myself is the
worst thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Why.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know.
If I asked you first of all, myname is Aaron.
But if I asked you, tell meabout yourself, what would you
say?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I would say I have an electrical company in Atlanta,
georgia.
I am also a singer-songwriter.
I write my own music and I alsoplay in bands from time to time
, and have been doing that for along time.
On top of that, I also havethis podcast, which I'm very
proud of, with my producer,david Fine, here in Atlanta as

(03:18):
well.
And now today is a very specialday for me because I am talking
to you, my oldest son, which isvery strange to have a podcast
and then have your oldest son on.
It's just very surreal.
You never know where life isgoing to take you and it's
always interesting to find outwhere it does take you.
And now today, or tonight, it'staken me to talking to you on

(03:42):
the Sonic Hitchhiker podcast.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Well, you did a lot better job than I did.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Did I?
Well, I will say a little bitof something about Aaron.
Aaron, I'm very proud of him.
He is a manager of a car washorganization very nice car wash
organization in Atlanta I meanin Albany, georgia, and a few
other areas throughout SouthwestGeorgia that he manages and he

(04:09):
does a very good job at it.
He's very successful.
He owns his own home, has anice family, has bought into my
life two grandchildren who I'mvery proud of, and they are cute
as a button.
So if he won't talk abouthimself right away, I'll say
that for him and I'm veryexcited to have him here.
First of all, that we this isour second attempt as at a

(04:31):
recording, because we did recorda podcast with him not too long
ago, as was announced onfacebook, but we had some
technical difficulties with theconnection between us here in
atlanta and between and with hethere in Albany, georgia.
But we have that straightenedout tonight and so we're going

(04:51):
to have a good time talking.
And one thing we talked aboutthe last time on the podcast was
, as you know, as you listenersknow, we like to talk about
supernatural experiences on here, but we we will dive into some
other topics related toparanormal, supernatural mind
control.
We're also going to havesomeone coming up while I'm

(05:13):
while I'm on this subject.
Uh, that's going to be talkingabout the relationship between
the body and the mind when itcomes to working out, when it
comes to exercise, and how, uh,exercise in your physical body
can be highly enhanced if youknow how to use your mind
correctly in accordance to yourbody.
So we'll be talking about thatin a future episode too.

(05:34):
I can't wait to talk about thatwith a friend of mine who is
also a great musician.
But I want to talk to Aaronabout something.
We had talked this on our firstattempt at a podcast episode
together, where I had anexperience with his mom and he
remembers this because his momhas related, it has relayed this
story to him as well uh,aaron's mom and I, when we were

(05:58):
married, had not long beenmarried, I had just come out of
the military and we had gotten avery nice apartment in Americas
, georgia.
We were on the second floor andjust to give you a reference to
, or to give you an idea of,what this apartment was like and
how secure it was it was agated community, we were living

(06:21):
in a second floor apartment andwe had deadbolts and chains on
the door, like most.
You know, most apartments arepretty secure, and ours was no
different.
Well, one night we were in thebed asleep and woke up to the
sound of water just rushing inthe bathroom.

(06:42):
We had a master bath right offof the bedroom and you could
just hear water suddenly come onfull blast, like someone was in
there taking a shower.
Well, as you can imagine, ifyou were in your home and you
heard that and knew that no oneelse was in the house, you would
automatically assume someonehad broken into the house and
was taking a shower or was justin there playing around in your

(07:04):
bathroom, and it would.
It would alert you, you wouldbe on high alert.
I didn't have a weapon otherthan a big bowie knife that I
kept under my mattress at thetime.
I didn't have a.
I had always had a gun, but Ididn't have one at this part of
my life.
I just got in the military andhad plenty of you know, plenty
of gunplay there.
So I got up and went to thebathroom, grabbed the knife,

(07:27):
thinking I would find someone inthe bathroom.
There was no one in thebathroom, but the water in the
tub was on full blast.
I, I kid you, not hot water,cold water, they were just the
water was just shooting out intothe tub.
Well, the first thing I did wasgo through the house.
I was trying to find out ifanyone was in the house, because

(07:49):
I assumed someone had to turnit on.
I looked through every closet,through the other bedroom,
through the pantry.
I looked everywhere.
No one was in the house.
The front door was still locked, the chain was still on, the
windows were all locked, no onewas in the house, but the water
was on full blast in thebathroom.

(08:09):
Now, to this day, I can'texplain that.
I I researched it at a library,local library, to see if maybe
in the plumbing world some stufflike this happens.
It does, but not like this.
Water will come on barely, orit'll drip or it'll stream a
little bit, but never full blastlike these were.
I remember staring at after Ichecked the house out.

(08:30):
No one was there.
I just went into the bathroom.
The water was still on fullblast and I remember hesitating
to go touch the handles becauseit's just a strange thing to see
and to um to experience.
Finally I got the nerve to gotouch the handles and they were
on so tight that I had to reallyuse strength to turn both
faucets off.

(08:50):
That was a strange event I'vetalked about in in the first
episode that I've had and in thethe announcer says that I've
had several experiences in mylife that I can't explain and we
talked about a ghost that Ithree ghosts that I saw as a
young child.
That's the most intense thingthat I've ever had happen to me.
But the shower water coming onwas another one that I to this

(09:15):
day can't really explain.
Never happened again.
I wasn't afraid in thatapartment.
I didn't.
I never felt any negativeenergy or any maliciousness from
some spirit or anything there.
It was just something thathappened.
It never happened again, so Ilet it go.
But that was a.
That was a strange story thathappened with Aaron's mom and I

(09:36):
when I was in I think yeah, Iwas in my early twenties.
Aaron, have you ever had I knowyou, you relate a story about
an apartment where somethinghappened to you?
Just tell me a, tell me a quickstory some, because you were
talking about in the episodethat we weren't able to put on
air that something happened toyou in an apartment do you want

(09:59):
to talk about that story now, ordo you want to wait?

Speaker 4 (10:02):
I can talk about it a little bit okay uh, it's not as
good as that one, but kind ofsimilar okay I'll tell you two
stories.
I tried to tell you last time,but we know how it went, yep
david, the producer, is laughing.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
He knows how it went it was.
It's too bad, people won't hearthat episode because it was
funny maybe it'll'll be a.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I see it Because of what happened last time when I
told this story.
I don't even want to tell itagain.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Why.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
It was kind of the same thing.
I was texting somebody.
I was in my room in ourapartment by myself.
I was on the opposite side ofthe bed.
I had the master bedroom, sothe bathroom was in my room.
I was on the opposite side ofthe bed, I had the master
bedroom, so the bathroom was inmy room.
I was on the opposite side ofthe bed, away from the bathroom.
I heard what I thought was mye-cig at the time going off, so

(10:54):
I was looking all over the roomtrying to find it.
I got closer to the bathroomand opened the bathroom door and
the sink was just turned onfull blast.
So that's kind of that's reallyall that happened.
I don't know what happened.
I didn't even go in thebathroom.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Just one side like hot and cold, or just one side
of it?

Speaker 4 (11:18):
It's one of those ones where it's just got the
thing on top.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh, just the one handle.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, it was just on full blast.
I had already known that storyfrom that you just told, so it
made me think about it your momhad told you that story before
this happened to you.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Isn't that weird that the same kind of the same thing
happened to you that happenedto us?

Speaker 4 (11:38):
kind of.
But the part that you don't sayyou didn't say it last time
either.
At first was mama said thatit's not like water boy my mama.
Mama said uh, she said that ifthey were all like the hot water
was so tight, like on so tightyeah that you couldn't barely

(11:59):
turn it like it was.
You had to, like, force it toturn off.
That's right, that's correct.
Yeah, I had to, really.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, I had to like force it to turn off.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
That's right, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, I had to really .
Yeah, I had to.
Really.
Yeah, I mentioned that I reallyhad to use my strength to turn
them both.
Both were tight, but the hotwater seemed to be really tight.
Yeah, to this day I can't.
I can't explain it.
I mean, maybe there's one outthere that says, oh, that
happens to people all the time,but I don't know how it could be

(12:26):
on so tight that you had toreally put a grip on it to turn
it off.
That I don't understand.
So when you went to turn it off, was it really hard to turn off
as well?

Speaker 4 (12:33):
No, no, just cut it off.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
But it was creepy.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Because I don't know why it was on, I don't know how
it turned on.
So at the time I just toldmyself, um, like maybe I went in
there and subconsciously leftit on and just forgot about it,
and just didn't hear it and Idon't know well, let me ask you
this what do you think?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
what do you think about, uh, about your dad having
a podcast, about this kind ofstuff.
How do you feel?
About be, honest ghost yeah,about any of this podcast um,
that depends.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
If you ask me now, not surprising.
If you ask me 10 years ago, no,not 10 years ago, let's say
when I was little definitelysurprising what surprises me too
.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
A lot of things right we weren't.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
We weren't allowed to watch scary movies or watch
anything well, you were allowedlater yeah later.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
very little we ended up watching I let you guys very
movies, I think once we moved to, because we we lived in several
places when you were, but whenwe moved to academy street in
leesburg, ge, georgia, Idefinitely let you, especially
you.
Yeah, you, yeah, we watchedscary movies.
As a matter of fact, sleepyHollow was one we watched a lot.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
That was the first scary movie you let us watch was
Sleepy Hollow.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, we watched that one quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
And then yeah, darkness.
Falls, I think was the next one.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Darkness Falls.
Yep, I'll let you guys watchthat one I'll be honest,
watching all those movies isprobably why every time I go
outside, I think well, I'll tellyou what happened to me, uh, to
your dad here, when, uh, when Iwas a man, I was probably,

(14:25):
maybe I was 11 years old.
I think my youngest son, levi,he's he's almost 11.
So yeah, I was almost.
I think I was around 11 yearsold.
I grew up in Oklahoma.
I lived there for a long time,but I grew up, also as a little
kid, in Georgia, tennessee, andwe, we, we, as we traveled all,
we've lived a lot of places.
We just lived a long time inGeorgia, tennessee, and we, as

(14:45):
we traveled all, we've lived alot of places.
We just lived a long time inOklahoma.
So I talk about that in Georgiamore than anything else.
However, for a very brief time,when I was a kid, my family and
I lived in Edison, georgia, andwe had this big house that used
to be like a nursing home typething and it was creepy enough

(15:06):
as it was.
I hated that house honestly.
It was so creepy at night andin the bathroom because, you
know, people died in there.
You know, older people died,you know what I mean.
It was like a nursing home andthere were still like pictures
of old residents living in thehallway.
That net.
Net was never taken down, whichwas even creepier.

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So to set the stage for whatI'm about to tell you, the house
is already was already.
As an 11 year old it wasalready creepy enough to me, at
night especially, and it hadthis long hallway, this old
wooden hallway, and it creaked,everything creaked.
But my dad was a member of thelocal video store and he would

(15:51):
send me to get movies for him tobring back home for him to
watch.
And so they knew that I wascoming to get movies for him.
But they, so they knew that ifI got rated r movies my dad
approved I could bring him home.
So they never questioned melike if I just my dad approved,
I could bring them home.
So they never questioned meLike if I just my dad would just
give me some money and say, goget some movies, get this, this

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and this, and I would do it.
But one day I wasn't feelinggreat.
I stayed home from school.
I think mom was.
Mom was out doing something anddad was gone and I was all by
myself.
So I go down to the video storeand decide I'm going to watch a
scary movie.
My dad wouldn't let me watchthose scary movies like that.
So I went down and said my dadwants me to get a scary movie.

(16:35):
And they're like what do youwant to get?
I said you said to give me one.
They gave me the Shining, whichI had never seen, and that's
probably for me that was one ofthe worst movies I could have
seen as an 11-year-old in thisold, creepy house by myself.
But I watched it and I had Idon't know if I'd say I had
nightmares, but every time Iwould go in this bathroom at

(16:56):
night to take a bath, because wedidn't have, there wasn't a
shower, it was just a giantbathtub in the middle of this
big room.
So I don't know if you've everseen the Shining, but you have
right, aaron room.
So I don't know if you everseen the shining, but you have
right, aaron.
Yeah, multiple times in thescene there is an old woman that
comes out of the tub in thishotel room.
That's all I could think aboutwhen I went in this bathroom.
I couldn't close my eyes.
If I washed my hair, I had tokeep my eyes open because it

(17:18):
scared me so much.
But yeah, that was my firstintroduction to horror movies,
really, and that was probably agood one to get on to.
What's your favorite?
Like that's, I would say,because of the music.
I read the book.
The book was really good, theStephen King book, the Shining
but that's in my top five horrormovies of all time, that one

(17:44):
for sure.
I know there are a lot of greathorror movies out there.
I know we're on this subjectnow, which I love talking about
horror movies with people anyway, and I know you've seen a lot
of marin and I have, and we'veseen a lot of them together too,
but to me, for whatever reason,I've got to put sinister, the
first one as my top, becausethat one, that one, actually

(18:08):
gave me nightmares for real.
That one I don't know why, butthat well, I do know why, and
ethan hawke, the actor in it,did such a good job of being
afraid as his character that itresonated with me, but that was
that one.
I would, I would have to say,any movie that I would watch by
myself.
If I was in the dark watching amovie by myself, that one would

(18:30):
still creep me out.
The most Sinister.
What about you?
What would you say is your tophorror movie?

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Well, my favorite horror movie is the Amityville
Horror with Ryan Reynolds.
Really it's not scary.
It's not scary, but it's one ofthose movies.
That's just I don't know.
It's fun to watch.
For me that's probably myfavorite horror movie that's.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's a horror movie you could watch a lot yeah, and
it's just a good movie to me.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
But as far as like being scary, uh depends if I'm
talking, if I'm by myself yeah,imagine by yourself.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay, here's the scenario, I don't have to
imagine I've already had.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Here's the scenario.
I don't have to imagine I'vealready had here's the scenario.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, you're in a house at night, by yourself,
preferably.
It's raining outside.
That makes it even worse.
What is a movie that you can'twatch alone by yourself?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
there's multiple, multiple.
So I'll tell you.
I tried to watch when I livedin my apartment by myself.
I could watch horror movies.
It didn't bother me, I guessbecause there were some.
You know, there's other peoplearound.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Right.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
It didn't bother me, but here I tried to watch.
So Abby and the girls stayed ather dad's house.
It's probably about a year anda half ago now.
They went and stayed at herdad's house in Ashburn and I was
here ashburn, and I was here bymyself and I was like it was
around halloween, so like Iwatch a horror movie, well, I
tried to watch insidious and Iliterally got as far as the

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woman playing piano and thatbaby monitor is up there and she
starts hearing like whisperingand I cut it off that's.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's strange, because I'm that way too, I don't know
why.
Well, you just said it.
You're right to me, because Ilive in an apartment, but I have
people that live all around me.
So something about having otherpeople in the area even though
they're not in your apartment, Iguess it's the idea of the fact
that you're not alone, reallyLike there are people.

(20:34):
You can hear them walkingupstairs, you can hear them next
to you, you can hear them.
So I guess that's what it is,because I'm the same way.
If I'm in a house, especially agood size house, I don't know,
it's just different.
You house, I don't know, it'sjust different.
You're actually, especially ifeveryone's gone, you're, you're
really alone, there's no oneelse in the house, and then your
imagination runs wild and thenyou start hearing things and you

(20:57):
have to go down to the bathroom, you have to go to your bedroom
, and you know it depends onwhat you're watching too.
But some movies, the soundtrackalone, that's what did it with
me with the shining.
The soundtrack was enough tocreep me out like I could close
my eyes in the soundtrack.
That that did.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
That really helped that movie to me um, yeah, that
was a good soundtrack, sinistertoo sinister too, yeah and uh
the way he says when he watchesthose tapes.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
So, folks, if you've never seen Sinister the music,
whoever did the music score forthat movie did a great job,
because a lot of times in horrormovies the music makes it.
The movie can even be a littlecrappy, but if the music's great
and it suits the movie, itchanges everything.
Then there are other moviesthat they get it totally wrong

(21:47):
with the, with the score, themusic score and the movie
might've been really good with abetter, better music score.
But go ahead.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
I was going to say I'll tell you what made so when
we first moved in here.
This isn't like a story, thisactually happened.
I don't know why, but when wefirst moved in this house, for
some reason and I don't know why, but when we first moved in
this house, for some reason, Ikept having dreams about like
downstairs where I'm at rightnow, I don't know why like it
was empty at the time, like it'sgot a couch and everything in

(22:16):
here now, but it was just empty.
But for some reason I kepthaving dreams about walking
through the house and the first,I think the first dream I had.
I walked, it was just all darkand I walked down here.
I walked through the house andthe first, I think the first
dream I had.
I walked, it was just all darkand I walked down here.
I walked through the downstairsand opened the door and there
was just a candle on the floor,like just this one little candle
that was just lit.
I had another dream that I wasdoing something upstairs and I

(22:41):
heard like this loud, loud, likebanging noise down here and I
thought Abby was down here andit felt real.
It didn't feel like a dream, soI, but I came down here and
nobody was down here, so that'skind of what creeped me out
about this house.
Not creepy now, but then I don'tknow why, but I kept having
those same dreams and it wasalways something to do with down

(23:03):
here.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, I just had a story come to me that I'll tell
you that I maybe I've told youthis before, but um, don't let
me forget I know you're about totell the story don't let me
forget to tell you about sleepparalysis sleep.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Go ahead, tell me now no, go ahead, I'll tell you
afterwards now I was thinkingwhen I this story just came to
me.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I said we lived in a lot of different places as a
child.
My family and I, we lived inMilton, florida, one time, for I
don't know, maybe a year man.
At this point I was probablyseven, eight, I don't know, I
was really young.
But we lived in this oldneighborhood and a friend of

(23:44):
mine and this is not meant to beoffensive, to blind people, by
the way, at all.
So so I apologize if it seemsthat way, but it's just you, I
think you can appreciate thisstory but a friend of mine his
mom had, she had I don't know ifit was a deformity or what, but
she had two glass eyes she had.

(24:06):
She didn't have real eyeballs,her eyes were glass and she wore
these glasses.
But you know, the eyes theyjust were stationary, but she
would wear these glasses to kindof cover them up.
But she had glass eyes.
And they had this little oldhouse with a screen door and
anytime I wanted to play withthis kid, I would, you know, go

(24:27):
knock on the screen door andwe'd go in and then he'd come,
we'd go out and play and his momwas super nice, dad, everyone
was nice.
But, as I say, the mom hadthese class eyes and one day I
go to ask if my friend wanted tocome outside and play.
I knock on the screen door.
No one comes, but the screendoor is unlocked for some reason

(24:52):
.
I decided to, rudely, I shouldhave not done this.
I opened the screen door and Ijust walked in and I was going
to call for my friend or see ifhe was in the room and there was
this bathroom that they hadright off the hallway and the
door was open and it had amirror there and not that she
could see in the mirror, but forsome reason she was at the

(25:15):
bathroom mirror.
His mom, her back was to me andI said his name right when I got
to her, not realizing she wasthere.
And when she turned around andlooked at me she didn't have her
eyes in, it was just blackhollow.
And you're talking about creepy.
I turned around and, man, I'dnever run so fast and I hated it

(25:38):
because she couldn't.
Obviously.
No, not trying to be funny, butshe couldn't see me.
But she heard me and she knew Iwas in the house.
David, stop laughing.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
David's laughing.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Don't laugh.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Don't laugh.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
I had to turn my phone away.
I should have muted it becauseI was kind of laughing too.
Come on, man, I'm not trying tobe funny or anything, but she
didn't have her eyes in becauseshe couldn't see me.
No, I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know what my point is.
You guys are making me laughnow.
My point is she looked right atme.
Obviously she couldn't see me,so I took off running.
I know the screen door, I knowshe heard me running like really
fast and the screen door closedand I know she knew why.
Probably that I ran.
But I will say this I surenever went back in that house

(26:31):
without knocking again.
That taught me a lesson.
But man, that that was, thatwas like a horror movie thing
for me as a kid.
My god, that was she never evensaw it coming.
You guys are killing me.
Okay, so now tell me your, tellme your sleep.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Paralysis story I'm about to be like David.
Fine, I don't know how I'mgoing to top that.
Yeah, david, I will neverforget that.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Hey, at least your dad could see that coming.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
You're like Dermdoma, Dermdoma, you guys are juvenile
I saw it coming.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
On with your story.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
On with the story.
David said your sleep.
Paralysis story.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
I got multiple.
I can't remember, but I thinkLee told you a story about our
old friend Tyler.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah Lee, who was a guest on the show recently.
Yeah Lee Welch.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Yeah, he was telling you about tyler in that cottage
he lived in, waking up out ofnowhere screaming.
It's a lot funnier than than heexplained.
It was actually hilarious.
But he was having sleepparalysis, he just didn't know
it.
Um, but I've had sleep paralysis.
I had it when I was little,when we slept in a laundry room

(27:56):
way back in the day.
Yeah, that was the first time Ihad it, but I didn't know what
it was.
Then I just I woke up andanybody who's had it knows how
it feels.
You wake up, you can see, butyou can't move.
You can't move your arms, youcan't move your legs and it's
kind of hard to breathe too.
But when I lived in theapartment, in one of our

(28:20):
apartments we had with Isaac andone of our other friends, I had
it three days in a row.
The first night I went to bed,woke up kind of the same as when
I was little Opened my eyes, Icouldn't breathe and you never
know what's going on.
You don't think this is sleepparalysis up kind of the same as
when I was little open my eyes,I couldn't breathe, and you
never know what's going on.
You don't think this is sleepparalysis.
What I do is try to.

(28:40):
I'll try to wiggle my fingersand then, like I try to make a
fist, and then eventually you'llbe able to, like, wiggle your
hands, you can get up.
So the first night, nothingreally crazy.
I just open my eyes, I couldn'tmove, and eventually I can move
.
The second night, same thing,and it only happens when I sleep
on my back.

(29:01):
I fall asleep on my back.
But the second night I woke upand it looked like you can't
move your head either, but youcan move your eyeballs, so I
could move my eyeballs, and itlooked like on one side of the
ceiling the shadow was goingacross the ceiling to meet this.
There was another shadow on theother side.

(29:21):
It was going over there to thatside.
So that scared me.
But I woke up from that.
Well, the third night ithappened.
I had my head turned to theside and I woke up and couldn't
move, but it looked like therewas an old lady, like laying
next to me.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
It was the creepiest thing.
I tried to reach over and touchit.
You can't move, obviously, sowhen I could and I come to, it
was just a pillow, but it lookedso like I don't know.
It looked so real.
It was crazy, and I still havesleep paralysis all the time.
I just don't realize it until Iwake up.

(30:02):
It's never been that intense,though.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm not sure I've ever had it.
My youngest son, levi, is inthe studio in the background.
Levi, haven't you had sleepparalysis?
You have.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Try here, tell your story my story is um, I woke up.
I woke up in like the maybefour or three am and I opened my
eyes and my doors open and Ifeel.
And then I felt I felt like Iwas being watched and I see some
black figure in the doorway andthen I just thought, okay, I

(30:42):
might just be going crazy, so Igo back to sleep.
I tried to go back to sleep.
Then, when I tried to go backto sleep, tried to go back to
sleep, it just got closer andcloser until I just had this big
pressure on my chest and Icouldn't move or anything and I

(31:06):
just tried to sleep it off.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Okay, that was a good speech, but could he move?
Could you move Levi, could youmove?
He couldn't move.
He said he couldn't move.
He said he could wiggle alittle bit.
I've never had that.
I don't know what that's like.
I don't want to have that it'sscary.
Yeah, I don't want I don't wantto not have control of, I mean,
it's not the scariest part.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
So you can't move, obviously, but you also kind of
feel like you can't breathe,like that's what's scary yeah, I
don't like that.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I don't think I'd want to have that feeling at all
yeah, it's not fun.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
But they say, if you want it like, if you want to
experience it, you get you likestay up for a long time and you
get really, really tired andthen you like fall asleep,
sleeping on your back, and youcan do something like you can
induce sleep paralysis, butsomehow I don't know why you

(32:01):
would want to, unless you justwant to see what it feels like.
But you literally can't move.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
It's scary when I was in knoxville working doing
electrical work.
I worked for the union therefor about a year and a half
maybe and and we had to work inthis really old it was like a
hundred year old schoolhouse butit was huge, it was like a
couple of levels and it was avery creepy looking place.

(32:26):
And then we had to work atnight because during the day
they had school.
Still, it was an elementaryschool.
So I had this guy that workedon the crew named patrick, and
he was one of these guys thatbelieved in ghosts and you know,
spirits and all this stuff.
So he was always freaked outabout it.
He would never, he never wantedto work in a room by himself or

(32:49):
any of that.
But me being the I guess foreman, the job, I had to make sure
that everyone was doing theirjob.
And then one night I had toskip out early because I had to
get up early the next day for adoctor's appointment.
So I left.
I may be getting his name wrong, it may not be Patrick, but I

(33:09):
can't remember.
It was a guy that was workingthere for the union.
I was the foreman.
So I told him.
I said said you're gonna haveto lock up, because to lock up
you had to put a chain, you hadto turn on the security, you had
to put a chain on the door andput the padlock through it, and
then you go home.
But he swore one night that hesaw something chasing him in

(33:34):
there.
And that night that I had toleave early, he swore that after
I left and he was all byhimself, something was after him
in that school.
He ended up dropping a lot ofhis tools down the hallway,
actually running so hard towardthe door.
And I got a call the next daysaying that there were
electrical tools all over thehallway of this school.
And it turns out he justthought something was chasing

(33:56):
him and as he was running withthis tool belt on, tools were
falling out all over the floor,and so he swore to me that there
was something.
It didn't help that the lightsthey had, those lights that go
off as you walk in front of them.
The lights go off behind youlike motion lights.
So it was pitch black behindhim as he was running.

(34:19):
So it is kind of like a horrormovie scene probably.
But yeah, there's, there's somepeople that that really that
have seen a lot more stuff thanI ever have.
But there's another experiencethat I'll talk about in another
episode that to this day I don'tunderstand, but for some reason
I've had a few of these.

(34:41):
I don't know if I'm just moreopen to it, and some people do
seem to be open more to thesupernatural, I guess, is what
you would call it, except forDavid Fine producer.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
He's just where is david?
He's right here from david allright, come on, david.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
You're gonna ask david some questions yeah okay
uh, the floor is yours.
Ask away this is david find,our producer, by the way.
I think aaron's gonna questionhim.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
No one ever questions david, so I think aaron's gonna
interview david of course, noone heard the unaired episode of
the Sonic the Hedgehikerpodcast, which may be coming to
a maybe a paywall near yousometime soon.
It is epic, it is.
I mean, I have never seen Billlaugh this much in my entire
life, since I've known him evena minute.

(35:29):
And even Aaron, I mean, whenyou could hear him, he was
really good.
But Aaron, go ahead andquestion me.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
I want to know do you believe in ghosts?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I do.
I do believe in ghosts.
In the last episode, which ofcourse no one can hear, I told
you about my story of mygrandmother.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Oh yeah, that's right .

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Every night she heard what she considered, I guess a
party downstairs in her 1929house that was built in 1929.
That thing.
She was scared, she did notwant to go down there.
I think this also happened tomy mom.
She grew up in the house and Ihave not heard it, but maybe
it's because I'm just not, Idon't know, evolved.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
You're not attuned.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, I'm not that either.
But yeah, I'm not, I'm not.
But this is bringing back onpost traumatic stress disorder.
I don't know if you can getthat from doing a podcast about
the extrater.
I can remember, but I have hadfamily members that that have

(36:41):
witnessed it, and I'm sure I'vewitnessed it, I'm sure I've done
it in a like a dream orsomething, but I know nothing,
nothing as much as you know the,the shadow, the shadow family.
You know it's y'all.
Y'all seem to have this aura.
I mean, of course, the lastepisode that we were talking
about that's got about 175downloads.
It's our number one episodeuntil this one drops with Lee,

(37:07):
and that was an amazing episode,of course.
I mean all the guests have beenamazing and your dad seems to
attract a lot of great people onFacebook, instagram.
So keep on keeping on.
It'll make us the number oneghost spiritual afterlife
podcast on iTunes.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
All right, what do you think about that, aaron?
How do you like those applesyou left?

Speaker 4 (37:31):
them Very professional David.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Very professional.
Okay, well, he is a producer ofthe show, okay, so he don't
like horror movies.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Well, he is a producer of the show, so okay,
so he don't like horror movies.
He's never seen a ghost.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
He doesn't like horror movies.
Never seen a ghost.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
People who have but my nine year old son, who is in
third grade, loves horror movies.
We took him to see Beetlejuice,which I guess I would kind of a
scary, horror-ish type of movie.
He didn't get scared, everyoneelse got scared.
I didn't get scared, of course,but he loved that.
He loves squid games.
I guess that's some kind oflike genre.

(38:04):
Oh geez, a weirdness.
He did not watch the entireshow, the entire movie.
He got caught and he said Idon't know what you're talking
about, it was dad's fault, buthe loves to be scared.
So hopefully one day when thispodcast is 10 years old, down
the road we'll bring him on andhe can talk about his ghost
stories.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Levi, come tell Aaron your favorite horror movie.
Levi, I bet I can guess it.
Come here.
All right, my youngest son ishere in the room and the studio
with us too, so come on overhere.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
I bet I can guess his favorite horror movie.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
My youngest son, Levi .

Speaker 5 (38:39):
My favorite horror movie is Scream.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
The first one.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah, I like the first one, yes.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Oh, David's ripping on him.
David said I thought you saidscary movies.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
I'm not going to lie.
I watched Scream for the firsttime in a long time just past
Halloween.
That movie is extremely cheesy.
Like, still a good movie.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
It is a good movie.
It's kind of campy you knowwhat I mean by that.
Like it's supposed to be kindof funny.
It has a lot of funny stuff init.
It's not what I would call a.
It's a horror movie.
But it's not what.
I'm the same.
It doesn't really.
It doesn't scare me.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
So what is David's favorite movie?

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh, now we're going to talk about just favorite
movie.
All right, what's your favoritemovie or your favorite?
Well, you say they don't scareyou.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
so no, no, I'm talking about just regular like
movie, like any movie myfavorite movie of all time and I
know you're way too young forthis, but you may have watched
it is the goonies.
I watched that movie in thetheater, as my son deacon would
say, in the theater when itfirst came out in 1985 or 4.
That to my, that to the date,is probably my favorite movie.

(39:59):
Or Planes, trains andAutomobiles with John Candy and
Steve Martin.
That's the Sonic the Hitchhikerpodcast movie.
Oh, sorry, the you know what.
I'm just going to fire myselfand I'm going to put an ad for a
new producer up there onLinkedIn.
Back to the old host, billyShadow.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
He's not interested in talking today.
Who?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
David, no, he's said a lot so far.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Maybe I need to insult him.
He'll grab that mic from me andstart talking again.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
By the way, the Goonies is a good movie.
I haven't seen that in forever.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
He's doing his hands, he he's saying come on with it,
he wants to bring out his 20years of uh commentating
experience, by the way, he sentme a video.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
That was pretty cool.
You look a lot different.
It was also back in 1997, so Iwas 20 years old.
So, uh, yeah, it's uh, you knowalmost almost uh, 29 years ago.
You know, almost, uh, you're 30, correct 32 32.
So you were.
You know it's uh almost whenyou were born.
So it was uh and your dad was.
I think your dad was maybe inhis mid-20s, but it was back in

(41:15):
1997.
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Well, there you go.
Any more questions for me orDavid, what questions do?
Before we go, ask me a questionthat you want to ask me about,
maybe the podcast or whatever,or tell me someone that you a
certain kind of person you wouldlike for us to have on the
podcast, maybe I know exactlywho you should have who um I

(41:43):
want matt's dad, your friend,that's exactly what I was about
to say.
Yeah we need to.
You need to get a petitiongoing down there to get matt's
dad on the part, because he'smatt uh, matt is a friend of
aaron's and isaac's, my sons,and he used to come to our house
all the time when he wasyounger, when we lived in
Leesburg, georgia, and his dadwas an actual ghost hunter and

(42:07):
did, I think, quite a fewadventures doing that, I believe
.
So I really would like to talkto Matt's dad.
So if you can put in a petitionwith matt and have him ask his
dad, if he would do it, we'dlove to have him on that would
I'll bet he I'll bet he has somegood stories to tell.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
We'd like to hear he used to show us pictures and and
uh, I let you know they did thewhole thing.
They did the whole uh evp stuffand yeah, go around taking
pictures and it's pretty coolI'm working on it.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Of course it has to be.
It's really hard, uh, they wantto do it, but there's uh ghost
hunters of atlanta um, trying toget one of those guys on and
they've agreed to do it.
It's just a matter of timing,and every time they can, I can't
.
Or every time they I can, theycan't.
So I'm also working on.
I want to get a psychic to.
Uh that's here in atlanta.

(42:59):
She almost came on the show andthen, uh, when she had to go
out of town or something and Ihaven't, I've got to reach back
out to her and see if I'm goingto get her on here as well.
But, um, she should be.
If she's really good at her job, she should be able to tell me
exactly the day she's planningon being here.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
She should be able to tell you exactly what you're
going to say.
The whole episode.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
She should answer the question before I ask.
She's like no, I've never donethat before, I haven't even
asked the question.
Damn, you're good.
But anyway, thanks for being on, aaron for coming on the
podcast, my son Aaron, everyonewe thank him for being on here

(43:38):
today and talking to us, and wehad some fun talked about movies
, talked about ghosts, talkedabout a few other things, even
had my youngest son, levi, inthe studio talking about a
couple of items that he wantedto mention.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
And special guest.
David Fine and special guest.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
David Fine, thank you for remembering our producer.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I don't know why I'm waving.
I mean, this is an audio-onlypodcast.
I'm just waving like people.
Bill, just you know.
Can you get us out of thissituation right now?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
All right, you want to take us out with the act,
like the announcer Aaron, andtake us out.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
I can't do it.
Last time I did it, Davidinsulted me.
He said maybe we shouldn't paythe other guy, we should just
pay you.
And then rolled his eyes andwas like, went back and got his
wrestling stretchy pants on andwith that.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'll let you I'll let both of you off the hook.
Thanks, folks, for listening toanother episode of the Sonic
Hitchhiker podcast.
We hope to see we'll be herenext time.
I started to say we hope to seeyou next time, but we're not
video yet.
One day, one day, we'llprobably be video, but until
then we will talk at you soon.
I'm all off kilter, bye.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
That'll do it for another edition of the show.
Join Billy shadow next week foranother all new Sonic
Hitchhiker podcast.
Thanks for checking out theSonic Hitchhiker podcast.
Follow us on Instagram at SonicHitchhiker Podcast and get new
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