December 27, 2024 • 50 mins
A mysterious figure spotted in a grocery store. Late-night ice cream escapades that turned into lessons of survival. Memories like these shape our latest episode of the Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast, where I sit down with James James Biggs unveils his gripping life story, taking listeners through encounters with abductions, supernatural beings known as imps, and a childhood marked by resilience amidst turmoil. His unique experiences challenge us to question our perceptions of fear, trauma, and the supernatural, revealing how intertwined our realities can be.
• James's encounters with attempted abductions as a child
• Experiences living in the foster care system
• A robbery incident that showcased his bravery
• Introduction of supernatural experiences featuring imps
• Exploration of out-of-body experiences and vivid dreams
• Discussion on childhood trauma and resilience
• Questioning the boundaries of reality and belief systems
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast dedicated to
all things strange, mysteriousand just plain out of the
ordinary.
Your guide on this audioodyssey is Billy Shadow.
Billy has led a life full ofexperiences that have put him on
his current path, from hishumble beginnings in the ghettos
of southwest Georgia to theGreat Plains of Oklahoma.
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Billy has led a life full ofexperiences.
As a youth, billy traveled withhis family on a bus while his
father preached in churchesacross the country.
As a young man, billy spenttime in the military, became an
entrepreneur, met and workedwith multiple celebrities,
became a singer-songwriter.
Billy's travels and experienceshave led him to witness
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exorcisms, cult mind controlevents, ghosts and other
supernatural phenomena.
It is because of his interestin these experiences that this
podcast was created.
And now your host, billy.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Shadow, welcome to another episode of the Sonic
Hitchhiker Podcast.
I am your host, billy Shadow,and today we have a very special
guest.
I like to say that all of ourguests are special guests and
this one is no exception.
His name is James Biggs.
He reached out to us about someinteresting stories that he has
based on.
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What we talk about theparanormal, ufos, ghosts,
psychics, anything that has todo with the odd, unusual, out of
the ordinary.
That's what we talk about hereon the Sonic Hitchhiker podcast.
Today we have a guest, jamesBigg, who is originally from
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Queens, new York, who says thathe has some stories that he
wants to tell us, some truestories that's happened to him,
that he has some stories that hewants to tell us, some true
stories that's happened to him.
And, as usual, you people thatlisten to this, whether you are
skeptical or true believers inthis type of thing, I ask you to
stretch your imagination, togive the benefit of the doubt,
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because there are a lot ofthings in this world that none
of us completely understand.
Even if we say we do, we don't.
There are so much that we justdon't understand.
A case in point recently in thenews, of course, with the with
the big drone, uh phenomenathat's going on, that that has
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not been explained as of yet,are from from this planet, are
they not?
Some people claim they come outof the ocean.
Some people say they'reman-made.
We don't know yet.
We will find out eventually.
So there's.
This is a time we live in wherestrange things are happening
and the congress is congress haseven opened up the whole ufo
discussion uap as they call itdiscussion.
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That's saying that, yes, wehave been visited.
Yes, there have been aliensthat have crash landed.
Yes, they have been discovered.
On and on, the stories werefascinating to me.
So my point in saying all ofthis is to say that keep an open
mind, if you will, when youlisten to these podcast episodes
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, because the people talkingreally believe this is what they
saw.
They really believe thishappened to them.
They have no doubt, and it'sokay to have doubts if you're
listening, but we ask you togive them the benefit of the
doubt and, without further ado,I will let James Biggs introduce
himself, talk to us a littlebit about himself, tell us what
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he does, where he comes from aswe said, he hails from Queens,
new York and tell us thesestories that he says he told me
these stories are going to getreally deep, so strap in, hang
on and let's see what James hasto say.
Go ahead, james.
Good to have you.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So how I go about this, because it's it's I'm kind
of like, just take it back soyou have an idea of what might
have contributed to events,situations in my life.
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So just kind of give you, youknow, just a background of my
family tree.
I don't have one.
So, with that said, I grew upin a foster care system.
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I guess I was an infant whenall this whole situation
happened.
Going through the foster caresystem.
I'd been probably an infant, orjust not remembering this, but
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the parts that I do remember, orthe stories I heard or things
that I witnessed myself growingup as a kid in the system.
Growing up as a kid in thesystem, you know you go through
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strange relationships withfamilies.
You don't know None of mysiblings.
I got to know my siblings butwe all grew up separate homes,
so we didn't have thatbrother-sister bond growing up.
I grew up with my half-brother,but that's about it.
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So, with that said, I grew upmostly alone, by myself, and
moved around about four timesfour different homes.
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So you know, you see things,you hear things and you know you
see odd things.
That goes on.
But just as a person me I'veexperienced stuff.
I'll give you an exampleGrowing up I was bullied a lot.
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I was bullied a lot, bullied alot.
Kind of just that stigma of oh,you grew up in a foster care
system so you know you get, youknow, teased about that.
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Oh, that's not your real mother.
You know that type of deal.
So I don't know why, growing upI experienced seeing or
experiencing I don't know if itwas the homes I was in that
might have had bad spirits.
You know what I mean Went tothe grocery store one time as a
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kid.
So we're saying I would saythis incident happened when I
was about six, seven, maybe fiveor six, somewhere in that area.
I remember my first mother hadsaid you know, don't wander off.
You know, stay nearby Me.
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As a kid I went wandering off, Igo down this aisle and it was
close to the back of the grocerystore.
I'm a kid, you know, like Isaid, about five, six, seven,
somewhere in that area.
And I see this and this is likesome shit straight out of like
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Stephen King, a page of one ofhis novels.
But there was this tall whiteguy in a trench coat, black hat,
rain hat, just kind of eerielooking tall guy, and he was
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trying to convince me to comeover to him.
And then me, growing up I likedcandy.
So he reached in his pocket andshowed me some candy.
My eyes, just like you know,just kind of like just got that,
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you know bright, look like, ohwow.
And it's like, should I?
And right when I was thinkingof it, he grabbed me.
He was trying to force me outthe back door of that grocery
store and james, you were fiveor six.
You said um, yeah, yeah yeah,about five or six, and all I
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could think about at that timewas my mother was strict, my
foster mother was strict andwhen she says don't do something
, don't do it, you're going toget the repercussions, I bit him
, I bit this guy and he haddropped me and I ran off and I
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looked back and he wasn't thereand I went to my mother and for
some reason, billy, I wasn'tscared but I knew something was
bad about it, real bad about it.
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And growing up you don't knowthat.
But later in life, you figure,I just escaped an abduction.
So, moving on in life, andprobably still in the same age
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area, maybe about eight, nine,my foster mother back then and
we're talking about the 70s,this is like 1975, 76, somewhere
in that area so she was reallystrict because she grew up in
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the South herself, her family,her husband, he grew up in South
Carolina somewhere.
She grew up in Augusta, georgia.
So you know her parents alreadywhen I was growing up with them
, five, six years old, herparents already in the late 70s,
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80s already, they saw stuff,she saw stuff.
She grew up in a strictenvironment so she didn't play.
She was one of those type ofwomen that when you're getting
ass-whipping, she'll tell you goout to the backyard, go get you
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a switch, take the lead Can.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I stop you there, because that reminds me of
something.
I had the same issue.
My mom would do the same thing.
If you were in trouble, shewould say, go pick out a Switch,
and you better not pick out thesmallest Switch because, if you
brought one back that was tiny.
She would say that's not good,go back and get a bigger one.
So I sympathize with you there,james, because I remember that
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that was the time that we livedin right back then.
That's how it worked.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So you better get a decent-sized switch.
You know it's going to hurt,but you better do it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Sorry to deviate a little bit, but I had to let you
know that we have a littlecamaraderie.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah , yeah.
So you know what I'm talkingabout and you know people around
that age.
They you know, especially ifthey grew up in a very strict
family environment.
So later, probably somewherestill in that young age area I
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might have been about seven,eight, but she liked back then
you was able to get we're goingway back now where you got your
newspaper, your Sunday newspaper.
The thing was like that,daggone thick Coupons and all
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these others that would come outat midnight.
She would always get her Sundaypaper at midnight.
She would always get her Sundaypaper at midnight.
Reason why?
Because on Saturday she wouldalso get Carvel ice cream,
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chocolate Carvel ice cream.
She was a very sickly person.
She suffered asthma, likechronic asthma.
So she was old and dairy wasone of her components.
That really she was lactoseintolerant as we say now.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But she would eat ice cream anyway.
Yeah, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I'm getting at, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, yeah, because that was just like her weakness,
and you know the environment,you know the pollen you know,
just asthmatic.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And what part is this ?
You said this is Carolina's.
Where is?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
this no, no.
Her parents grew up in.
She grew up in georgia, herhusband okay, in the carolinas,
but this is all and this is your, okay, and this is your.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Uh, I'm trying not to get the audience too lost, but
is this your foster parent?
Yeah, yeah, these aredescriptions and this is your
second set of foster parents, oryour first this is the first
this is the first one, there wasa second.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, actually there was a first first, but I
remember more because of the ageyou remember the second one
more gotcha yeah, but moving onmore because of the age, you
remember the second one and thengoing back gotcha, yeah, um,
but yes moving on, uh.
So I will go get this ice creamat uh, this newspaper ice cream
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at midnight, and you knowregular routine.
Now, how old are you now, james, in the story uh?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
okay, all right, so we're moving up okay, yeah, so
I'm still you know an abductionan abduction attempt from a
stranger that that disappearedon you at five or six and now
we're moving on to the seven,eight year old range.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Okay, yep, yep and um , but I, you know, I'm in this
candy store back then it wascalled five and dine or you know
something like that, I put itthis way where you used to get
the um, the old school fountaindrinks and, uh, um, malts and
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and shakes, and you know, rightat the fountain, you know where
you sit at the counter you getyour burger or whatever, and
they had like a little area withnothing but sweets and, like I
said, I grew up loving candy,you know.
And you know back then, youknow you had a dollar.
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You come out with one of them,little small paper bags Full of
candy bag candy um yeah, yeah,they had candy bands and all of
that.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I remember those you know yeah, 50 cent dollars man I
don't know, I don't know manykids that didn't like candy
pretty much I met some I metsome who didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I met some kids, so she would give me a $20.
Yeah, it would be a $20 billfor me to break.
It would always be a $20 billfor me to break.
I guess you want to change orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Are these stores open at?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
midnight.
I guess you want to shop in orsomething.
The Carvel was.
The Carvel closed at like 2 am.
Wow yeah back then and I wouldgo get this ice cream and you
know it's funny.
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Growing up I loved music andthat was constant to me any
black family so music was a bigthing to me James Brown and so
forth and so forth, but I wouldgo past.
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Still on the reference to music, there was a club that played
disco and stuff, because we weretalking about the 70s.
It was called Fantasia and Iwas like, wow, it'd be such cool
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people hanging out and, I guess, out front smoking their
cigarettes and smoking theirweed.
It was just going through thislike coming from around the
corner at this, you know prettynice neighborhood and all of a
sudden you know you come aroundthe corner, you know late at
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night.
Now, all of a sudden thisbuilding is live.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
It's exciting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I had to go past that to getto carvel, you know.
So it was just something thatalways stuck in my mind and it's
just funny you know, I'm a djand I play music and you know
stuff like that and um.
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But I get the ice cream, get ahalf a gallon, I bring it back
and as I'm going back, goingback past the store, go around
the corner, there's this alley.
So I walk past the alley andall of a sudden sudden, someone
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just snatched me and pulled meinto the alley, dark alley.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Had a knife to my eye .
And you're just a kid, you'rejust a seven eight-year-old kid.
I'm just a kid, but I remembernoticing someone looking at me
through the window because I had, you know, just kind of like
you know had that wandering eye,you know, growing up, you know,
and I noticed this guy was likealways, you know, like pacing
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back and forth and you know,looking in the window.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So someone snatches you with a knife, pulls you into
the alley, you're holding theice cream in a newspaper.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, he took the money.
He's like where's the change?
I saw you get change.
Oh, I was like, yeah, this guywas watching everything.
So he's like don't you tellnobody or I'll you know, I know
where you live and I'll comeback and kill you.
I was like and he ran off Onceagain.
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Billy, I wasn't scared, butjust because I knew who I was
dealing with, I had to make itlook, you know real, because I'm
like I'm going back with nomoney.
So what did you do to make itlook legit?
You know real, because I'm likeI'm going back.
So what did you do?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
to make it look legit .
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I took some dirt, you know, because the alley it was
one of these alleys with therocks and pebbles and I took
some saliva.
I looked, you know, at my handand put it around my eyes so it
looked like I was crying, but Iwasn't scared.
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I don't know why, but I justwasn't scared.
But I get back to the house andmy foster brother, which is her
son, was there and at the time,funny as it is, he was a New
York City cop.
So I tell him what happened.
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You know I said, you know I gotrobbed and you know, know, he
took the.
I still had the.
you know, the ice cream, the icecream in the newspaper, but I'm
coming back with no money,though, you know, so the only
thing I'm thinking is asswhooping, you know so I had to
get my story right.
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So I was like you know so, whenI told him he go, you know, so I
had to get my story right.
So I was like you know so whenI told him he go, you know, he,
he runs upstairs, he come backdown and he had his gun and he's
like, yeah, all right, let's golook for this guy.
So we went to the alley and youknow we walked around the
corner and you know we didn'tsee nobody.
We even went past the damndisco, you know we didn't see
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nobody.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We even went past the damn disco.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So, jane, so james once again people outside
smoking cigarettes.
You know smoking their weed andyou know uh yeah the bass just
coming out, the you know, andhe's like looking around and
he's like, hey, y'all seen thisguy, you know, I kind of didn't
know what he looked like, but II knew, you know, uh, he, you
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know, at right at the time, hewas black.
You know, when he came out thealley he grabbed me.
I remember just catching aglimpse, so.
So he had this knife to mythroat and threatened to kill me
if I didn't give him the moneyor if I told anyone.
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So it had to have been somebodyI knew, if you knew where I was
.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So, james, there seems to be a pattern here in
your life.
So I'm not trying to rush youtoo much, but I know you're
going to tell us a supernaturalexperience.
But what I see here is apattern of you as a child, as a
foster child, going from familyto family.
You have had two.
At this point, at seven oreight years old, you've had two
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abduction attempts.
Well, no, you had one abductionattempts.
Well, no, you've had oneabduction, I'm sorry.
And then another pull another,not an abduction so much as a
robbery, although the man pulledyou to him.
In both instances, as a child,you are not afraid.
So the pattern I'm seeing herethere's two tragic events that's
happened in your life thatwould normally maybe traumatize
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a child, but you seem to beunaffected by that.
I have a feeling that once weget to your part about the
supernatural stuff that happensto you this is important because
you're not afraid of humaninteraction when it comes to
some type of tragic event.
But I'm wondering, as we goalong, what's going to happen
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when the supernatural stuffhappens and what?
What is the fear level going tobe with you?
And?
And so I'll let you, I'll letyou, I'll let you get through it
.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh, wow, wow, you, you hit, you hit, you hit the
nail right on the head with thatCause.
That's what I was doing.
I was just kind of get you,giving them the background or a
little history to what leads upto these other you know
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scenarios in my life and I seethe pattern and I do see that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So you're.
You're to me, you're an unusualkid already because you have
this fearless mentality when itcomes to these things.
So I'm going to ask yousomething now.
What age were you?
You've had some tragic events.
First of all was that did youhave other abduction attempts or
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did other things happen to you?
You don't have to go intodetail, but were there?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
many more Growing up.
Well, growing up, you know,like I said, later in life I
kind of and I think even at ayoung age I felt and I'm talking
about the home that I was at,you know, with the whole
abduction and the robbery.
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That's the one I grew up,that's the mother I grew up in
Queens.
Now, I had mentioned to you prethis we were just randomly
talking because you told meabout the podcast.
I told you about these thingscalled imps and those were one
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of the things I witnessed, Ithink, right around that age.
Five, six right around that age.
Uh, five, six, so somewhere inthere.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I can't, uh, pinpoint exactly, but I don't want to
talk to you, but I want to.
I want to give a reference forthe audience really quick.
Imps are very popular infolklore.
Now I will say that a lot of,in my opinion, a lot of stories
that were told many, many yearsago and throughout the years
they may not, I mean, they maysound fairy tale, like a fairy
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tale or like something out of ofof grim's fairy tales, you know
.
But there is often, there isvery often, james and you you've
seen this but there is veryoften truth in stories that were
told throughout.
There may not always be exactand they may not be, but there
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it may not be completely true,in, in the, in the, the, the
whole scheme of things, likelittle red riding a big bad wolf
, that kind of stuff.
But there is truth in the factthat there are children in
danger in situations and thewolf could be symbolic.
Uh, uh, that, uh, that is verysimilar.
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We could, we could even say youwere as a kid, there were big
bad wolves out there waiting totake advantage of it.
So fairy tales canmorph into real life Maybe not
the same characters, but thereis some truth in these things.
So imps are from what Iunderstand.
You may have a differentdescription, haven't seen
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something similar are littledemonic characters.
They look like little demons,almost like gremlins who caused
mischief, and this is thefolklore.
It caused mischief, but they'renever really in a real danger.
They just like to scare andcause chaos, but from what I
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understand, they're not deadly,and so anyone that are
interested in what we're talkingabout, all you have to do is
put imps in Google imps andyou'll come up with these little
creatures that they're.
From what I understand.
They're very tiny.
Now you may be saying toyourself, if you're listening to
this, that that this podcast isbeginning to get crazy.
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But wait a minute, but wait aminute.
I want to.
I want to say crazy, but wait aminute, but wait a minute.
I want to say something.
I've had religious people tellme that stories that we talk
about are crazy, but yet you'rewilling to believe some of the
stuff in the Bible that soundseven crazier than what we're
talking about, and I'm aChristian.
I'm not saying I'm anon-believer, but what I'm
saying is you will suspend yourdisbelief to believe some of
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these things that are told inthe Bible that are insane if you
think of it from a common senseperspective.
So again, I will ask theaudience to keep an open mind to
what James is about to tell us,because I believe what you're
about to tell us is going tosound very crazy.
But suspend your disbelief inlistening to the story.
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And on that note, I'm sorry,james, but I wanted to lead up
to what you're about to tell us.
So now go ahead.
Now go ahead and tell us whenyou first saw these things?
what were the conditions, thecircumstances, how old were you
and how many times?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
What's the first?
Can you tell us the?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
first time you saw one of these things and what,
and describe what they look likeand where were you um, I was, I
was, I was in the uh, I was inthe house, all right.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Um, at the time there was other people living in the
house.
Other foster children, andthat's another story.
She was kind of a tomboy, butshe's part of the story too, but
that's later.
Um, but um, but yeah, growingup you know, uh, sometimes I
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slept downstairs on the couchthat was a fold out bed, Um, and
that's where I, um, I think Ifirst experienced seeing these
things.
Um, the ones that I saw werekind of like, uh, like you said,
small, demonic looking Mines,were like kind of like these
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scary as monkeys, and when Iwitnessed it it scared as a kid,
it scared the shit out of me.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
How old were you the first time you saw this?
Do you remember?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I would say about five, and was it at?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
night you were alone.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Did other kids see them.
It was a lot.
I was a loner, like I said.
I got bullied, I was alone.
A lot I stayed to myself.
So, but yeah, my very first oneI stayed to myself.
So, but yeah, my very first onehad been about five years old
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and what were the circumstances?
Under the bed.
Oh cause, I immediately crawledup under the bed, got out the
bed was it at night?
you were in a room by yourselfit usually happens like out the
bed, but was it at night?
You were in a room by yourselfAt night.
It usually happens late orearly in the morning.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So you know it's funny you say that because a lot
of people say that thesupernatural stuff, for some
reason and I know there's timechanges across the continent,
united states, that type ofthing, but they.
There is a claim that aroundthe 3 am mark is when certain
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things seem to seem to be most,most lively, the supernatural
seems to be most lively yeah, Iheard, so you're telling us
something similar in yoursituation.
So you're're a little kid,you're in a room.
Are you in a bedroom byyourself?
This time I'm down in the livingroom, but are you alone?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
This is the first time I've witnessed yeah, yeah,
I'm alone and suddenly out ofthe blue.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The first time you saw one of these.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
They just appeared in the room, yeah, uh, no, they
would be at, I would hear thisnoise.
It would be like just droningnoise, like I mean this shit was
scary, yo, because it willalways happen when I'm like
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trying to go to sleep and it'slike, right before you go right
into that, yeah, that drift intosleep, that's when, uh, I would
get this air, this really eeriesound that would.
I would be scared to go tosleep because it's like, oh, uh,
because I always rememberhearing the sound growing up.
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You know, I never knew what itwas and all of a sudden, here it
is again, and out of the pitchblack, because it was just dark,
but out of the pitch black oftop of the stairs.
I see these images and you knowthey're kind of black
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themselves in the black.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
How many James, how many of you?
A lot of them, Tiny tiny littlecreatures.
They come in three.
They look kind of like shadows,almost Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, but you kind of see the outline of the image or
what they look like.
And when they used to getcloser and closer, the sound
would get louder and louder, butfor some reason they couldn't
(34:05):
come off the stairs.
I don't know why, but theycouldn't go off the stairs.
I don't know why, but theycouldn't go past the bottom step
.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
There seemed to be a barrier between you and them to
a degree.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And they used to taunt me.
It was just scared.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
How would they taunt you?
Give us an example of how theywould taunt you.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
They always had little ornaments or something in
their hands.
It was just how they looked,because as they got closer I was
able to kind of see them better.
Like I said, they came inthrees and they all seemed the
(34:59):
same size.
I would say 12 inches, maybe alittle bit more, 12, 18 inches
tall.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
And you said they look like.
You said they look like monkeys, yeah, so how?
Would you describe the face,the facial features?
Yeah, how would you describe it?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Uh, it was really uh uh.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
It was really.
You ever see those Africanartifacts of like demons, yeah,
with the sharp teeth smilingalmost Like the masks that
they'll?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
have.
Yeah, they had this like hairthat kind of stood up, but they
had, uh, this really, uh twistedgrin, if I could describe like
(35:59):
that, it was just, it justdidn't look good, you know, you
know, and as a kid that shitlooks scary.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I, imagine.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I can imagine you know, so I I spent many nights,
you know uh scared to go tosleep, because when I try to go
to sleep I see them now, this isthe, this is your.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Your said you're around five when this is
happening.
Right, five, six something.
And now how?
So you saw that.
So now you move to your secondfoster family?
Uh, because I'm laying some,I'm laying the groundwork here,
so you, okay, yeah, yeah againwhat I want to do is establish a
(36:49):
pattern.
We've already established apattern that that the that
you've had your, no matter whereyou go, you've had a couple of
that.
I think a lot of that's due tothe fact that the families
you're with sends a kid out todo things that they probably not
safe, really, if you thinkabout it, and so these things
are bound to happen to youeventually, Right, right.
(37:10):
So now we've had these thingsthat have happened to you
between five and eight years old.
You're seeing these creaturesat five, six years old.
Now, this is the experience youhave in the first home.
Now did you see them in thesecond home, too that you went
to?
(37:30):
For now I want to keep on thesubject of these imps.
The second home, where you wererobbed.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Did you see them there?
So just kind of go forward yeah, because I had left the first
home, all right, and just kindof go back.
I, even living there, I hadout-of-body, because my dreams
(37:57):
would be so, oh man, vivid, mydreams would be like they was
almost real.
My, my, my dreams would be likethere was almost real, like my.
There are a couple of timesthat I had like actual body out
(38:17):
of you know, out of bodyexperience, I would say, living
there was about uh, 10, 11 yearsold, cause in my dreams I would
do a, do a lot of flying.
You know, uh, in 11 years old,cause in my dreams I would do a,
do a lot of flying.
You know, um, in the air, um,traveling, you know.
(38:39):
And later in my life I had foundout that there was like, yeah,
you can actually leave your bodyand uh, explore, but if you
don't know how to control it,it's scary as hell.
Because it's scary as hellbecause you're flying and I had
(38:59):
experienced that, you know, inthese forced, you know in these
homes.
So, moving forward to the nexthome, and it's just kind of
ironic and you're going to laugh, billy, because what I went
through was my horror there too.
And with that said, the nextfamily I moved to was out on
(39:25):
Long Island, new York,amityville, long Island.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
There was a movie made about it, amityville Horror
.
Yes, of course, and real quick,james.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I just want to real quick, yeah, moving into that
damn town Real quick.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I want to tell the audience that if James is
breaking up every now and thenwhich you are a little bit I
just want to let you know thatit's because we're I'm in the
studio with David, but James isfrom a remote location, so
forgive us if we have a littlenoise discrepancies, but we
still hear you loud and clear,james.
I just want to let you knowthat if there seems to be a
(39:57):
little delay, oh, okay, well, Ineed to bring it down a little.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
No, you're fine, you can continue talking.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I just know you're breaking up a little bit, but so
far I'm keeping up with you.
I do want to.
I do want to uh, before we gettoo off topic and off track here
, because I know you have a lotof stuff to talk about, but I do
want to say that we've alreadyestablished in your life, uh,
what happened to you, the twotraumatic experiences plus the
imps that happened, that thatyou saw as a child, that that
(40:27):
seemed to taunt you and scareyou while you're alone.
And now we're getting to, we'releaving that subject.
And now we're saying that youalso, on top of all of these
things, as a kid, as a fosterchild that's had these traumatic
experiences but was not afraid.
But yet when the supernaturalimps come along, that strikes
(40:48):
fear into you.
We see that.
So I'm seeing that the humanelement is not so scary to you,
but the supernatural elementobviously has struck a nerve in
you, with you as a child.
Now you're saying, not only didyou experience these things,
but you also had amazing out ofbody experiences.
Now, dive into that a littlebit more if you will.
(41:10):
I know we're, we're, we'veprobably got another 15 minutes,
so I just want to make surethat we cover.
We can always get you back,james, because I think you have
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Oh yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot I gotta say, andI appreciate you know you invite
me to to this platform toexpress that, because I know I'm
not the only one who.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And that's what this show is about.
Believe me, we've heard.
If you get a chance, listen tosome of the other episodes.
You'll see that you're notalone in the experiences that
you have.
So you're definitely not.
So now let's get back to theout-of-body experiences.
Dive into that, if you will.
You can do it for the remainderof the time, or you can talk
about that and then somethingelse too, if you want to throw
(41:59):
that in.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, let's dive into this just for a little bit, and
then you know.
however, you want to reschedulethis.
You know I'm glad to.
But the out-of-body things likemy dreams were dreams that you
know.
As a kid as young as that, I'vehad some crazy ass dreams,
(42:29):
Billy.
I know everybody probably hadmonsters in their dreams and but
it was like growing up,monsters was always in my dreams
and to get away from that, Ithink it was the out of body
flyingbody flying to me was myway around it, but I didn't know
(42:58):
how to control it and it wasscary because you know it's like
you're free-falling and it'slike you know you're scared that
you're going to hit that ground.
you're scared that you're gonnahit that.
You know you're gonna hit thatground, um, but uh, I had like
dreams, you know, of that.
You know, when I was livingwith that first foster family,
(43:19):
um, and like I said, she was,you know, she was strict, you
know, and stuff like that.
But as a kid you shouldn't beuh having dreams of murder.
I'll give you an example.
It was a school I went to andyou would go up these stairs and
(43:48):
the, the glass was like hey, Idon't know if you remember the
type of glass that a lot ofschools had over the.
Uh, the glass panes kind of hada little wire going through.
It was like opaque, uh, kind ofthick.
Uh, you go up the stairs, youknow they would have it.
You know stuff like that.
And I remember one time, youknow, going up those stairs,
(44:09):
they would have it, stuff likethat.
I remember one time Going upthose stairs it was the same
stairs I would get bullied on.
There was blood All over thewalls.
And Going up them stairs, asI'm going up, I noticed it's my
foster mother Chopped to piecesthis is in your dream that
(44:31):
you're having.
You know it's blood.
Yeah, this is like, say, aboutthe same age 5, 6, 7, somewhere
in that area.
I would have these reallycrazy-ass dreams.
Like I said, a lot of my dreamswould be running away from
monsters.
That was my fear.
(44:52):
It seemed like my fear wassleeping, because if I went to
sleep I knew I was going to endup having a bad dream monsters.
I really didn't like the out ofbody thing because I didn't
know how to control it and itwas scary as hell.
(45:14):
So, with that said, this leadsinto more events as I'm growing
up.
Once again, it's the fearfactor that I come from, I
(45:39):
encounter and there's going tobe some traumatic situations.
This is going to be a littleongoing, billy, because it's a
lot, but to me it has a lot todo with.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Well, this is what I want to do, james.
I want to bring you back atsome point and let's dive into
some more stuff, because I don'twant to rush through too much,
because I feel like eachindividual event is an important
event in your life, and what Idon't want to do is is try to
get too much in one episode,because if we do that, it's
going to lose.
It's going to lose context.
(46:19):
So what I will say as we closeit out is I'm hearing, I'm
hearing your story and I want toask you a question that I don't
want to bring this.
I don't want to make you feellike I'm trying to be a
psychiatrist or anything, but doyou feel that as a kid, you
really had no family to speak of?
(46:40):
You were a loner.
Honestly, life seems to havejust given you a bad hand and
that happens with children quiteoften, more than we would like
to believe and you had to, youpretty much had to.
You were you, as you callyourself, a loner?
You were a loner and eventhough you had foster families,
(47:04):
it seems like you were still abit of a loner and I feel this
is my personal belief that thatis a very that can be.
If you're a child, you knowchildren, I believe, experience
more, can experience more of thesupernatural than adults can,
because their minds are not yetso full of the of the, the stuff
(47:29):
that are fed into them asadults.
You know their, their minds arevery open, but you, growing up
in the circumstances that yougrew up in and having the
traumatic experiences that youhad, but yet not being afraid, I
feel like you dealt with somuch bullying and this type of
thing that human, the fear ofhuman, uh, negative connotations
(47:51):
just didn't seem to affect youas much.
And so now you're experiencedthese, these supernatural things
that really do strike fear intoyou.
It's almost like the, you know,it's almost like something is
saying we are going to forcesome kind of fear upon you.
You're not not afraid of this.
We're going to put this on you,but, but you have, but you have
(48:11):
a very interesting life, james,and I would definitely want I
know I want to hear more aboutit in another episode, but I, I,
I, I want to thank you forcoming on today and sharing that
.
I know this is, this issomething that you probably just
don't share with anyone.
So I appreciate you sharingthis with us and I asked the
(48:33):
audience what do you think aboutthis?
How do you feel about what Jamesis talking about?
Do you feel that it's justtotal BS or do you feel like
there's something to it?
I personally feel like there'ssomething to it.
Just I personally feel likethere's something to it, just
based on your childhood, james,and what you went through, and I
(48:55):
believe, also your experiencesin what you talk about may
believe it or not.
To some people listening theymay be like this is total BS,
but I feel like it could behelpful to people that have had
similar experiences and they'relike you know what?
I too had some similarexperiences.
I didn't know other people hadit like that.
(49:16):
So I think this will be goodfor other people to listen to
that have had.
You know, it's like in life,sometimes traumatic things
happen to people, but they don'twant to talk about it until
they hear it in public andthey're like oh, now I can talk
about my traumatic experiences.
So I'm hoping this will open upsome people's minds to where
(49:37):
they can admit that there's somethings to them happened as
children, you know.
So I won't keep you any longer,james.
I really appreciate it andwe'll do this again because you
have I can tell you have wehaven't even touched the surface
of your life.
We just got into the eight,nine, 10 year old.
We just went up to that point.
(49:57):
We haven't even gotten into theteenage years.
So I have a feeling wherethere's a lot more to come, and
what we'll do is we'll, if webring you back, we'll make sure
we tie it into this episode towhere people are back on track,
like here's where James is now,and we'll just go.
I think you're one of thesepeople that we can just go
(50:17):
through your life and we'regoing to see things that have
happened that are very unusualbut are also based, I think, on
the circumstances that you'reliving in at the time that
you're living in.
So I really appreciate youcoming on here today, james, and
to the audience, thank you forlistening.
Listen with an open mind, ifyou will.
This is Billy Shadow with theSonic Hitchhiker Podcast.
(50:40):
We'll catch you next time.
Bye.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
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Welcome to the Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast dedicated to
all things strange, mysteriousand just plain out of the
ordinary.
Your guide on this audioodyssey is Billy Shadow.
Billy has led a life full ofexperiences that have put him on
his current path, from hishumble beginnings in the ghettos
of southwest Georgia to theGreat Plains of Oklahoma.
(00:21):
Billy has led a life full ofexperiences.
As a youth, billy traveled withhis family on a bus while his
father preached in churchesacross the country.
As a young man, billy spenttime in the military, became an
entrepreneur, met and workedwith multiple celebrities,
became a singer-songwriter.
Billy's travels and experienceshave led him to witness
(00:41):
exorcisms, cult mind controlevents, ghosts and other
supernatural phenomena.
It is because of his interestin these experiences that this
podcast was created.
And now your host, billy.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Shadow, welcome to another episode of the Sonic
Hitchhiker Podcast.
I am your host, billy Shadow,and today we have a very special
guest.
I like to say that all of ourguests are special guests and
this one is no exception.
His name is James Biggs.
He reached out to us about someinteresting stories that he has
based on.
(01:15):
What we talk about theparanormal, ufos, ghosts,
psychics, anything that has todo with the odd, unusual, out of
the ordinary.
That's what we talk about hereon the Sonic Hitchhiker podcast.
Today we have a guest, jamesBigg, who is originally from
(01:37):
Queens, new York, who says thathe has some stories that he
wants to tell us, some truestories that's happened to him,
that he has some stories that hewants to tell us, some true
stories that's happened to him.
And, as usual, you people thatlisten to this, whether you are
skeptical or true believers inthis type of thing, I ask you to
stretch your imagination, togive the benefit of the doubt,
(02:00):
because there are a lot ofthings in this world that none
of us completely understand.
Even if we say we do, we don't.
There are so much that we justdon't understand.
A case in point recently in thenews, of course, with the with
the big drone, uh phenomenathat's going on, that that has
(02:20):
not been explained as of yet,are from from this planet, are
they not?
Some people claim they come outof the ocean.
Some people say they'reman-made.
We don't know yet.
We will find out eventually.
So there's.
This is a time we live in wherestrange things are happening
and the congress is congress haseven opened up the whole ufo
discussion uap as they call itdiscussion.
(02:42):
That's saying that, yes, wehave been visited.
Yes, there have been aliensthat have crash landed.
Yes, they have been discovered.
On and on, the stories werefascinating to me.
So my point in saying all ofthis is to say that keep an open
mind, if you will, when youlisten to these podcast episodes
(03:03):
, because the people talkingreally believe this is what they
saw.
They really believe thishappened to them.
They have no doubt, and it'sokay to have doubts if you're
listening, but we ask you togive them the benefit of the
doubt and, without further ado,I will let James Biggs introduce
himself, talk to us a littlebit about himself, tell us what
(03:26):
he does, where he comes from aswe said, he hails from Queens,
new York and tell us thesestories that he says he told me
these stories are going to getreally deep, so strap in, hang
on and let's see what James hasto say.
Go ahead, james.
Good to have you.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So how I go about this, because it's it's I'm kind
of like, just take it back soyou have an idea of what might
have contributed to events,situations in my life.
(04:07):
So just kind of give you, youknow, just a background of my
family tree.
I don't have one.
So, with that said, I grew upin a foster care system.
(04:30):
I guess I was an infant whenall this whole situation
happened.
Going through the foster caresystem.
I'd been probably an infant, orjust not remembering this, but
(04:51):
the parts that I do remember, orthe stories I heard or things
that I witnessed myself growingup as a kid in the system.
Growing up as a kid in thesystem, you know you go through
(05:13):
strange relationships withfamilies.
You don't know None of mysiblings.
I got to know my siblings butwe all grew up separate homes,
so we didn't have thatbrother-sister bond growing up.
I grew up with my half-brother,but that's about it.
(05:36):
So, with that said, I grew upmostly alone, by myself, and
moved around about four timesfour different homes.
(05:56):
So you know, you see things,you hear things and you know you
see odd things.
That goes on.
But just as a person me I'veexperienced stuff.
I'll give you an exampleGrowing up I was bullied a lot.
(06:23):
I was bullied a lot, bullied alot.
Kind of just that stigma of oh,you grew up in a foster care
system so you know you get, youknow, teased about that.
(06:44):
Oh, that's not your real mother.
You know that type of deal.
So I don't know why, growing upI experienced seeing or
experiencing I don't know if itwas the homes I was in that
might have had bad spirits.
You know what I mean Went tothe grocery store one time as a
(07:08):
kid.
So we're saying I would saythis incident happened when I
was about six, seven, maybe fiveor six, somewhere in that area.
I remember my first mother hadsaid you know, don't wander off.
You know, stay nearby Me.
(07:33):
As a kid I went wandering off, Igo down this aisle and it was
close to the back of the grocerystore.
I'm a kid, you know, like Isaid, about five, six, seven,
somewhere in that area.
And I see this and this is likesome shit straight out of like
(07:57):
Stephen King, a page of one ofhis novels.
But there was this tall whiteguy in a trench coat, black hat,
rain hat, just kind of eerielooking tall guy, and he was
(08:17):
trying to convince me to comeover to him.
And then me, growing up I likedcandy.
So he reached in his pocket andshowed me some candy.
My eyes, just like you know,just kind of like just got that,
(08:38):
you know bright, look like, ohwow.
And it's like, should I?
And right when I was thinkingof it, he grabbed me.
He was trying to force me outthe back door of that grocery
store and james, you were fiveor six.
You said um, yeah, yeah yeah,about five or six, and all I
(09:02):
could think about at that timewas my mother was strict, my
foster mother was strict andwhen she says don't do something
, don't do it, you're going toget the repercussions, I bit him
, I bit this guy and he haddropped me and I ran off and I
(09:29):
looked back and he wasn't thereand I went to my mother and for
some reason, billy, I wasn'tscared but I knew something was
bad about it, real bad about it.
(09:51):
And growing up you don't knowthat.
But later in life, you figure,I just escaped an abduction.
So, moving on in life, andprobably still in the same age
(10:16):
area, maybe about eight, nine,my foster mother back then and
we're talking about the 70s,this is like 1975, 76, somewhere
in that area so she was reallystrict because she grew up in
(10:42):
the South herself, her family,her husband, he grew up in South
Carolina somewhere.
She grew up in Augusta, georgia.
So you know her parents alreadywhen I was growing up with them
, five, six years old, herparents already in the late 70s,
(11:04):
80s already, they saw stuff,she saw stuff.
She grew up in a strictenvironment so she didn't play.
She was one of those type ofwomen that when you're getting
ass-whipping, she'll tell you goout to the backyard, go get you
(11:24):
a switch, take the lead Can.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I stop you there, because that reminds me of
something.
I had the same issue.
My mom would do the same thing.
If you were in trouble, shewould say, go pick out a Switch,
and you better not pick out thesmallest Switch because, if you
brought one back that was tiny.
She would say that's not good,go back and get a bigger one.
So I sympathize with you there,james, because I remember that
(11:50):
that was the time that we livedin right back then.
That's how it worked.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So you better get a decent-sized switch.
You know it's going to hurt,but you better do it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Sorry to deviate a little bit, but I had to let you
know that we have a littlecamaraderie.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah , yeah.
So you know what I'm talkingabout and you know people around
that age.
They you know, especially ifthey grew up in a very strict
family environment.
So later, probably somewherestill in that young age area I
(12:36):
might have been about seven,eight, but she liked back then
you was able to get we're goingway back now where you got your
newspaper, your Sunday newspaper.
The thing was like that,daggone thick Coupons and all
(12:57):
these others that would come outat midnight.
She would always get her Sundaypaper at midnight.
She would always get her Sundaypaper at midnight.
Reason why?
Because on Saturday she wouldalso get Carvel ice cream,
(13:19):
chocolate Carvel ice cream.
She was a very sickly person.
She suffered asthma, likechronic asthma.
So she was old and dairy wasone of her components.
That really she was lactoseintolerant as we say now.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But she would eat ice cream anyway.
Yeah, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I'm getting at, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, yeah, because that was just like her weakness,
and you know the environment,you know the pollen you know,
just asthmatic.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And what part is this ?
You said this is Carolina's.
Where is?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
this no, no.
Her parents grew up in.
She grew up in georgia, herhusband okay, in the carolinas,
but this is all and this is your, okay, and this is your.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Uh, I'm trying not to get the audience too lost, but
is this your foster parent?
Yeah, yeah, these aredescriptions and this is your
second set of foster parents, oryour first this is the first
this is the first one, there wasa second.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, actually there was a first first, but I
remember more because of the ageyou remember the second one
more gotcha yeah, but moving onmore because of the age, you
remember the second one and thengoing back gotcha, yeah, um,
but yes moving on, uh.
So I will go get this ice creamat uh, this newspaper ice cream
(14:59):
at midnight, and you knowregular routine.
Now, how old are you now, james, in the story uh?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
okay, all right, so we're moving up okay, yeah, so
I'm still you know an abductionan abduction attempt from a
stranger that that disappearedon you at five or six and now
we're moving on to the seven,eight year old range.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Okay, yep, yep and um , but I, you know, I'm in this
candy store back then it wascalled five and dine or you know
something like that, I put itthis way where you used to get
the um, the old school fountaindrinks and, uh, um, malts and
(15:44):
and shakes, and you know, rightat the fountain, you know where
you sit at the counter you getyour burger or whatever, and
they had like a little area withnothing but sweets and, like I
said, I grew up loving candy,you know.
And you know back then, youknow you had a dollar.
(16:04):
You come out with one of them,little small paper bags Full of
candy bag candy um yeah, yeah,they had candy bands and all of
that.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I remember those you know yeah, 50 cent dollars man I
don't know, I don't know manykids that didn't like candy
pretty much I met some I metsome who didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I met some kids, so she would give me a $20.
Yeah, it would be a $20 billfor me to break.
It would always be a $20 billfor me to break.
I guess you want to change orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Are these stores open at?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
midnight.
I guess you want to shop in orsomething.
The Carvel was.
The Carvel closed at like 2 am.
Wow yeah back then and I wouldgo get this ice cream and you
know it's funny.
(17:04):
Growing up I loved music andthat was constant to me any
black family so music was a bigthing to me James Brown and so
forth and so forth, but I wouldgo past.
(17:31):
Still on the reference to music, there was a club that played
disco and stuff, because we weretalking about the 70s.
It was called Fantasia and Iwas like, wow, it'd be such cool
(17:58):
people hanging out and, I guess, out front smoking their
cigarettes and smoking theirweed.
It was just going through thislike coming from around the
corner at this, you know prettynice neighborhood and all of a
sudden you know you come aroundthe corner, you know late at
(18:20):
night.
Now, all of a sudden thisbuilding is live.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
It's exciting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I had to go past that to getto carvel, you know.
So it was just something thatalways stuck in my mind and it's
just funny you know, I'm a djand I play music and you know
stuff like that and um.
(18:46):
But I get the ice cream, get ahalf a gallon, I bring it back
and as I'm going back, goingback past the store, go around
the corner, there's this alley.
So I walk past the alley andall of a sudden sudden, someone
(19:09):
just snatched me and pulled meinto the alley, dark alley.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Had a knife to my eye .
And you're just a kid, you'rejust a seven eight-year-old kid.
I'm just a kid, but I remembernoticing someone looking at me
through the window because I had, you know, just kind of like
you know had that wandering eye,you know, growing up, you know,
and I noticed this guy was likealways, you know, like pacing
(19:38):
back and forth and you know,looking in the window.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So someone snatches you with a knife, pulls you into
the alley, you're holding theice cream in a newspaper.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, he took the money.
He's like where's the change?
I saw you get change.
Oh, I was like, yeah, this guywas watching everything.
So he's like don't you tellnobody or I'll you know, I know
where you live and I'll comeback and kill you.
I was like and he ran off Onceagain.
(20:11):
Billy, I wasn't scared, butjust because I knew who I was
dealing with, I had to make itlook, you know real, because I'm
like I'm going back with nomoney.
So what did you do to make itlook legit?
You know real, because I'm likeI'm going back.
So what did you do?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
to make it look legit .
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I took some dirt, you know, because the alley it was
one of these alleys with therocks and pebbles and I took
some saliva.
I looked, you know, at my handand put it around my eyes so it
looked like I was crying, but Iwasn't scared.
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I don't know why, but I justwasn't scared.
But I get back to the house andmy foster brother, which is her
son, was there and at the time,funny as it is, he was a New
York City cop.
So I tell him what happened.
(21:25):
You know I said, you know I gotrobbed and you know, know, he
took the.
I still had the.
you know, the ice cream, the icecream in the newspaper, but I'm
coming back with no money,though, you know, so the only
thing I'm thinking is asswhooping, you know so I had to
get my story right.
(21:45):
So I was like you know so, whenI told him he go, you know, so I
had to get my story right.
So I was like you know so whenI told him he go, you know, he,
he runs upstairs, he come backdown and he had his gun and he's
like, yeah, all right, let's golook for this guy.
So we went to the alley and youknow we walked around the
corner and you know we didn'tsee nobody.
We even went past the damndisco, you know we didn't see
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nobody.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We even went past the damn disco.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So, jane, so james once again people outside
smoking cigarettes.
You know smoking their weed andyou know uh yeah the bass just
coming out, the you know, andhe's like looking around and
he's like, hey, y'all seen thisguy, you know, I kind of didn't
know what he looked like, but II knew, you know, uh, he, you
(22:35):
know, at right at the time, hewas black.
You know, when he came out thealley he grabbed me.
I remember just catching aglimpse, so.
So he had this knife to mythroat and threatened to kill me
if I didn't give him the moneyor if I told anyone.
(22:56):
So it had to have been somebodyI knew, if you knew where I was
.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So, james, there seems to be a pattern here in
your life.
So I'm not trying to rush youtoo much, but I know you're
going to tell us a supernaturalexperience.
But what I see here is apattern of you as a child, as a
foster child, going from familyto family.
You have had two.
At this point, at seven oreight years old, you've had two
(23:26):
abduction attempts.
Well, no, you had one abductionattempts.
Well, no, you've had oneabduction, I'm sorry.
And then another pull another,not an abduction so much as a
robbery, although the man pulledyou to him.
In both instances, as a child,you are not afraid.
So the pattern I'm seeing herethere's two tragic events that's
happened in your life thatwould normally maybe traumatize
(23:47):
a child, but you seem to beunaffected by that.
I have a feeling that once weget to your part about the
supernatural stuff that happensto you this is important because
you're not afraid of humaninteraction when it comes to
some type of tragic event.
But I'm wondering, as we goalong, what's going to happen
(24:07):
when the supernatural stuffhappens and what?
What is the fear level going tobe with you?
And?
And so I'll let you, I'll letyou, I'll let you get through it
.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh, wow, wow, you, you hit, you hit, you hit the
nail right on the head with thatCause.
That's what I was doing.
I was just kind of get you,giving them the background or a
little history to what leads upto these other you know
(24:39):
scenarios in my life and I seethe pattern and I do see that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So you're.
You're to me, you're an unusualkid already because you have
this fearless mentality when itcomes to these things.
So I'm going to ask yousomething now.
What age were you?
You've had some tragic events.
First of all was that did youhave other abduction attempts or
(25:06):
did other things happen to you?
You don't have to go intodetail, but were there?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
many more Growing up.
Well, growing up, you know,like I said, later in life I
kind of and I think even at ayoung age I felt and I'm talking
about the home that I was at,you know, with the whole
abduction and the robbery.
(25:31):
That's the one I grew up,that's the mother I grew up in
Queens.
Now, I had mentioned to you prethis we were just randomly
talking because you told meabout the podcast.
I told you about these thingscalled imps and those were one
(25:58):
of the things I witnessed, Ithink, right around that age.
Five, six right around that age.
Uh, five, six, so somewhere inthere.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I can't, uh, pinpoint exactly, but I don't want to
talk to you, but I want to.
I want to give a reference forthe audience really quick.
Imps are very popular infolklore.
Now I will say that a lot of,in my opinion, a lot of stories
that were told many, many yearsago and throughout the years
they may not, I mean, they maysound fairy tale, like a fairy
(26:37):
tale or like something out of ofof grim's fairy tales, you know
.
But there is often, there isvery often, james and you you've
seen this but there is veryoften truth in stories that were
told throughout.
There may not always be exactand they may not be, but there
(26:58):
it may not be completely true,in, in the, in the, the, the
whole scheme of things, likelittle red riding a big bad wolf
, that kind of stuff.
But there is truth in the factthat there are children in
danger in situations and thewolf could be symbolic.
Uh, uh, that, uh, that is verysimilar.
(27:19):
We could, we could even say youwere as a kid, there were big
bad wolves out there waiting totake advantage of it.
So fairy tales canmorph into real life Maybe not
the same characters, but thereis some truth in these things.
So imps are from what Iunderstand.
You may have a differentdescription, haven't seen
(27:39):
something similar are littledemonic characters.
They look like little demons,almost like gremlins who caused
mischief, and this is thefolklore.
It caused mischief, but they'renever really in a real danger.
They just like to scare andcause chaos, but from what I
(28:00):
understand, they're not deadly,and so anyone that are
interested in what we're talkingabout, all you have to do is
put imps in Google imps andyou'll come up with these little
creatures that they're.
From what I understand.
They're very tiny.
Now you may be saying toyourself, if you're listening to
this, that that this podcast isbeginning to get crazy.
(28:24):
But wait a minute, but wait aminute.
I want to.
I want to say crazy, but wait aminute, but wait a minute.
I want to say something.
I've had religious people tellme that stories that we talk
about are crazy, but yet you'rewilling to believe some of the
stuff in the Bible that soundseven crazier than what we're
talking about, and I'm aChristian.
I'm not saying I'm anon-believer, but what I'm
saying is you will suspend yourdisbelief to believe some of
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these things that are told inthe Bible that are insane if you
think of it from a common senseperspective.
So again, I will ask theaudience to keep an open mind to
what James is about to tell us,because I believe what you're
about to tell us is going tosound very crazy.
But suspend your disbelief inlistening to the story.
(29:10):
And on that note, I'm sorry,james, but I wanted to lead up
to what you're about to tell us.
So now go ahead.
Now go ahead and tell us whenyou first saw these things?
what were the conditions, thecircumstances, how old were you
and how many times?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
What's the first?
Can you tell us the?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
first time you saw one of these things and what,
and describe what they look likeand where were you um, I was, I
was, I was in the uh, I was inthe house, all right.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Um, at the time there was other people living in the
house.
Other foster children, andthat's another story.
She was kind of a tomboy, butshe's part of the story too, but
that's later.
Um, but um, but yeah, growingup you know, uh, sometimes I
(30:09):
slept downstairs on the couchthat was a fold out bed, Um, and
that's where I, um, I think Ifirst experienced seeing these
things.
Um, the ones that I saw werekind of like, uh, like you said,
small, demonic looking Mines,were like kind of like these
(30:34):
scary as monkeys, and when Iwitnessed it it scared as a kid,
it scared the shit out of me.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
How old were you the first time you saw this?
Do you remember?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I would say about five, and was it at?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
night you were alone.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Did other kids see them.
It was a lot.
I was a loner, like I said.
I got bullied, I was alone.
A lot I stayed to myself.
So, but yeah, my very first oneI stayed to myself.
So, but yeah, my very first onehad been about five years old
(31:14):
and what were the circumstances?
Under the bed.
Oh cause, I immediately crawledup under the bed, got out the
bed was it at night?
you were in a room by yourselfit usually happens like out the
bed, but was it at night?
You were in a room by yourselfAt night.
It usually happens late orearly in the morning.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So you know it's funny you say that because a lot
of people say that thesupernatural stuff, for some
reason and I know there's timechanges across the continent,
united states, that type ofthing, but they.
There is a claim that aroundthe 3 am mark is when certain
(31:56):
things seem to seem to be most,most lively, the supernatural
seems to be most lively yeah, Iheard, so you're telling us
something similar in yoursituation.
So you're're a little kid,you're in a room.
Are you in a bedroom byyourself?
This time I'm down in the livingroom, but are you alone?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
This is the first time I've witnessed yeah, yeah,
I'm alone and suddenly out ofthe blue.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The first time you saw one of these.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
They just appeared in the room, yeah, uh, no, they
would be at, I would hear thisnoise.
It would be like just droningnoise, like I mean this shit was
scary, yo, because it willalways happen when I'm like
(32:43):
trying to go to sleep and it'slike, right before you go right
into that, yeah, that drift intosleep, that's when, uh, I would
get this air, this really eeriesound that would.
I would be scared to go tosleep because it's like, oh, uh,
because I always rememberhearing the sound growing up.
(33:06):
You know, I never knew what itwas and all of a sudden, here it
is again, and out of the pitchblack, because it was just dark,
but out of the pitch black oftop of the stairs.
I see these images and you knowthey're kind of black
(33:28):
themselves in the black.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
How many James, how many of you?
A lot of them, Tiny tiny littlecreatures.
They come in three.
They look kind of like shadows,almost Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, but you kind of see the outline of the image or
what they look like.
And when they used to getcloser and closer, the sound
would get louder and louder, butfor some reason they couldn't
(34:05):
come off the stairs.
I don't know why, but theycouldn't go off the stairs.
I don't know why, but theycouldn't go past the bottom step
.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
There seemed to be a barrier between you and them to
a degree.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And they used to taunt me.
It was just scared.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
How would they taunt you?
Give us an example of how theywould taunt you.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
They always had little ornaments or something in
their hands.
It was just how they looked,because as they got closer I was
able to kind of see them better.
Like I said, they came inthrees and they all seemed the
(34:59):
same size.
I would say 12 inches, maybe alittle bit more, 12, 18 inches
tall.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
And you said they look like.
You said they look like monkeys, yeah, so how?
Would you describe the face,the facial features?
Yeah, how would you describe it?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Uh, it was really uh uh.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
It was really.
You ever see those Africanartifacts of like demons, yeah,
with the sharp teeth smilingalmost Like the masks that
they'll?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
have.
Yeah, they had this like hairthat kind of stood up, but they
had, uh, this really, uh twistedgrin, if I could describe like
(35:59):
that, it was just, it justdidn't look good, you know, you
know, and as a kid that shitlooks scary.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I, imagine.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I can imagine you know, so I I spent many nights,
you know uh scared to go tosleep, because when I try to go
to sleep I see them now, this isthe, this is your.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Your said you're around five when this is
happening.
Right, five, six something.
And now how?
So you saw that.
So now you move to your secondfoster family?
Uh, because I'm laying some,I'm laying the groundwork here,
so you, okay, yeah, yeah againwhat I want to do is establish a
(36:49):
pattern.
We've already established apattern that that the that
you've had your, no matter whereyou go, you've had a couple of
that.
I think a lot of that's due tothe fact that the families
you're with sends a kid out todo things that they probably not
safe, really, if you thinkabout it, and so these things
are bound to happen to youeventually, Right, right.
(37:10):
So now we've had these thingsthat have happened to you
between five and eight years old.
You're seeing these creaturesat five, six years old.
Now, this is the experience youhave in the first home.
Now did you see them in thesecond home, too that you went
to?
(37:30):
For now I want to keep on thesubject of these imps.
The second home, where you wererobbed.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Did you see them there?
So just kind of go forward yeah, because I had left the first
home, all right, and just kindof go back.
I, even living there, I hadout-of-body, because my dreams
(37:57):
would be so, oh man, vivid, mydreams would be like they was
almost real.
My, my, my dreams would be likethere was almost real, like my.
There are a couple of timesthat I had like actual body out
(38:17):
of you know, out of bodyexperience, I would say, living
there was about uh, 10, 11 yearsold, cause in my dreams I would
do a, do a lot of flying.
You know, uh, in 11 years old,cause in my dreams I would do a,
do a lot of flying.
You know, um, in the air, um,traveling, you know.
(38:39):
And later in my life I had foundout that there was like, yeah,
you can actually leave your bodyand uh, explore, but if you
don't know how to control it,it's scary as hell.
Because it's scary as hellbecause you're flying and I had
(38:59):
experienced that, you know, inthese forced, you know in these
homes.
So, moving forward to the nexthome, and it's just kind of
ironic and you're going to laugh, billy, because what I went
through was my horror there too.
And with that said, the nextfamily I moved to was out on
(39:25):
Long Island, new York,amityville, long Island.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
There was a movie made about it, amityville Horror
.
Yes, of course, and real quick,james.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I just want to real quick, yeah, moving into that
damn town Real quick.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I want to tell the audience that if James is
breaking up every now and thenwhich you are a little bit I
just want to let you know thatit's because we're I'm in the
studio with David, but James isfrom a remote location, so
forgive us if we have a littlenoise discrepancies, but we
still hear you loud and clear,james.
I just want to let you knowthat if there seems to be a
(39:57):
little delay, oh, okay, well, Ineed to bring it down a little.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
No, you're fine, you can continue talking.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I just know you're breaking up a little bit, but so
far I'm keeping up with you.
I do want to.
I do want to uh, before we gettoo off topic and off track here
, because I know you have a lotof stuff to talk about, but I do
want to say that we've alreadyestablished in your life, uh,
what happened to you, the twotraumatic experiences plus the
imps that happened, that thatyou saw as a child, that that
(40:27):
seemed to taunt you and scareyou while you're alone.
And now we're getting to, we'releaving that subject.
And now we're saying that youalso, on top of all of these
things, as a kid, as a fosterchild that's had these traumatic
experiences but was not afraid.
But yet when the supernaturalimps come along, that strikes
(40:48):
fear into you.
We see that.
So I'm seeing that the humanelement is not so scary to you,
but the supernatural elementobviously has struck a nerve in
you, with you as a child.
Now you're saying, not only didyou experience these things,
but you also had amazing out ofbody experiences.
Now, dive into that a littlebit more if you will.
(41:10):
I know we're, we're, we'veprobably got another 15 minutes,
so I just want to make surethat we cover.
We can always get you back,james, because I think you have
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Oh yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot I gotta say, andI appreciate you know you invite
me to to this platform toexpress that, because I know I'm
not the only one who.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And that's what this show is about.
Believe me, we've heard.
If you get a chance, listen tosome of the other episodes.
You'll see that you're notalone in the experiences that
you have.
So you're definitely not.
So now let's get back to theout-of-body experiences.
Dive into that, if you will.
You can do it for the remainderof the time, or you can talk
about that and then somethingelse too, if you want to throw
(41:59):
that in.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, let's dive into this just for a little bit, and
then you know.
however, you want to reschedulethis.
You know I'm glad to.
But the out-of-body things likemy dreams were dreams that you
know.
As a kid as young as that, I'vehad some crazy ass dreams,
(42:29):
Billy.
I know everybody probably hadmonsters in their dreams and but
it was like growing up,monsters was always in my dreams
and to get away from that, Ithink it was the out of body
flyingbody flying to me was myway around it, but I didn't know
(42:58):
how to control it and it wasscary because you know it's like
you're free-falling and it'slike you know you're scared that
you're going to hit that ground.
you're scared that you're gonnahit that.
You know you're gonna hit thatground, um, but uh, I had like
dreams, you know, of that.
You know, when I was livingwith that first foster family,
(43:19):
um, and like I said, she was,you know, she was strict, you
know, and stuff like that.
But as a kid you shouldn't beuh having dreams of murder.
I'll give you an example.
It was a school I went to andyou would go up these stairs and
(43:48):
the, the glass was like hey, Idon't know if you remember the
type of glass that a lot ofschools had over the.
Uh, the glass panes kind of hada little wire going through.
It was like opaque, uh, kind ofthick.
Uh, you go up the stairs, youknow they would have it.
You know stuff like that.
And I remember one time, youknow, going up those stairs,
(44:09):
they would have it, stuff likethat.
I remember one time Going upthose stairs it was the same
stairs I would get bullied on.
There was blood All over thewalls.
And Going up them stairs, asI'm going up, I noticed it's my
foster mother Chopped to piecesthis is in your dream that
(44:31):
you're having.
You know it's blood.
Yeah, this is like, say, aboutthe same age 5, 6, 7, somewhere
in that area.
I would have these reallycrazy-ass dreams.
Like I said, a lot of my dreamswould be running away from
monsters.
That was my fear.
(44:52):
It seemed like my fear wassleeping, because if I went to
sleep I knew I was going to endup having a bad dream monsters.
I really didn't like the out ofbody thing because I didn't
know how to control it and itwas scary as hell.
(45:14):
So, with that said, this leadsinto more events as I'm growing
up.
Once again, it's the fearfactor that I come from, I
(45:39):
encounter and there's going tobe some traumatic situations.
This is going to be a littleongoing, billy, because it's a
lot, but to me it has a lot todo with.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Well, this is what I want to do, james.
I want to bring you back atsome point and let's dive into
some more stuff, because I don'twant to rush through too much,
because I feel like eachindividual event is an important
event in your life, and what Idon't want to do is is try to
get too much in one episode,because if we do that, it's
going to lose.
It's going to lose context.
(46:19):
So what I will say as we closeit out is I'm hearing, I'm
hearing your story and I want toask you a question that I don't
want to bring this.
I don't want to make you feellike I'm trying to be a
psychiatrist or anything, but doyou feel that as a kid, you
really had no family to speak of?
(46:40):
You were a loner.
Honestly, life seems to havejust given you a bad hand and
that happens with children quiteoften, more than we would like
to believe and you had to, youpretty much had to.
You were you, as you callyourself, a loner?
You were a loner and eventhough you had foster families,
(47:04):
it seems like you were still abit of a loner and I feel this
is my personal belief that thatis a very that can be.
If you're a child, you knowchildren, I believe, experience
more, can experience more of thesupernatural than adults can,
because their minds are not yetso full of the of the, the stuff
(47:29):
that are fed into them asadults.
You know their, their minds arevery open, but you, growing up
in the circumstances that yougrew up in and having the
traumatic experiences that youhad, but yet not being afraid, I
feel like you dealt with somuch bullying and this type of
thing that human, the fear ofhuman, uh, negative connotations
(47:51):
just didn't seem to affect youas much.
And so now you're experiencedthese, these supernatural things
that really do strike fear intoyou.
It's almost like the, you know,it's almost like something is
saying we are going to forcesome kind of fear upon you.
You're not not afraid of this.
We're going to put this on you,but, but you have, but you have
(48:11):
a very interesting life, james,and I would definitely want I
know I want to hear more aboutit in another episode, but I, I,
I, I want to thank you forcoming on today and sharing that
.
I know this is, this issomething that you probably just
don't share with anyone.
So I appreciate you sharingthis with us and I asked the
(48:33):
audience what do you think aboutthis?
How do you feel about what Jamesis talking about?
Do you feel that it's justtotal BS or do you feel like
there's something to it?
I personally feel like there'ssomething to it.
Just I personally feel likethere's something to it, just
based on your childhood, james,and what you went through, and I
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believe, also your experiencesin what you talk about may
believe it or not.
To some people listening theymay be like this is total BS,
but I feel like it could behelpful to people that have had
similar experiences and they'relike you know what?
I too had some similarexperiences.
I didn't know other people hadit like that.
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So I think this will be goodfor other people to listen to
that have had.
You know, it's like in life,sometimes traumatic things
happen to people, but they don'twant to talk about it until
they hear it in public andthey're like oh, now I can talk
about my traumatic experiences.
So I'm hoping this will open upsome people's minds to where
(49:37):
they can admit that there's somethings to them happened as
children, you know.
So I won't keep you any longer,james.
I really appreciate it andwe'll do this again because you
have I can tell you have wehaven't even touched the surface
of your life.
We just got into the eight,nine, 10 year old.
We just went up to that point.
(49:57):
We haven't even gotten into theteenage years.
So I have a feeling wherethere's a lot more to come, and
what we'll do is we'll, if webring you back, we'll make sure
we tie it into this episode towhere people are back on track,
like here's where James is now,and we'll just go.
I think you're one of thesepeople that we can just go
(50:17):
through your life and we'regoing to see things that have
happened that are very unusualbut are also based, I think, on
the circumstances that you'reliving in at the time that
you're living in.
So I really appreciate youcoming on here today, james, and
to the audience, thank you forlistening.
Listen with an open mind, ifyou will.
This is Billy Shadow with theSonic Hitchhiker Podcast.
(50:40):
We'll catch you next time.
Bye.
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