May 6, 2025 • 21 mins
It’s nuts out there. And when it’s calm and focused inside - it changes everything.
As a culture, we are
- easily distracted
- obsessive over (fill in the blank) - politics, relationships, finances, etc.
- experiencing one health, environmental, societal crisis after another
- swinging from wound up to completely disengaged
- feeling angry one minute to hopeless the next
So how do you stay sane? Focused? How do you even know what to focus on?
The internal impacts of what is going on in our outer world is staggering. There are so many things coming at us that our fight or flight response is being constantly triggered.
That’s a recipe for, at best- burnout, at worst - disaster.
So how do we manage? What’s the answer?
This is something that Stephanie and Maren each have been studying for three decades.
The answer is NOT one more thing to do in the outer world. It’s learning to master the internal, so that we can heal ourselves AND be the antidote for the craziness in the world around us. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for, and healing is possible.
Today’s podcast starts a several part series on Inner Mastery to address this very issue.
Tune in to find out what Inner Mastery is (insight and awareness on the ‘inner’ so we don't get suffocated and buried), why it matters (getting clarity through the constant noise so there is on-going flow and well-being), and how to get started (listening in for the next few weeks 🥰).
“The more inner mastery I have, the more flow and joy and ease I have in my life” ~ Maren
- 0:00 Intro
- 0:32 Inner Mastery, what is it, why it matters and why now
- 4:17 Getting off the first floor
- 7:38 Creating the future you want
- 9:53 Mastery in a world of information overload
- 12:41 What is important for ME?
- 17:17 Protection and being the antidote
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Stephanie Allen (00:04):
In a world where we have everything and
it's still not enough, we'reoften left wondering, is this
really it?
Maren Oslac (00:10):
Deep Inside, you know there's more to life.
You're ready to leave behind theold push your way through and
claim the deeper, moremeaningful life that's calling
you.
Stephanie Allen (00:19):
That's what we invite you to explore with us.
We're your hosts, StephanieAllen and Maren Oslac, and this
is The Soulful Leader Podcast.
Yay! Hi.
Welcome to The Soulful LeaderPodcast. I'm here with Maren,
and we're gonna have a reallyinteresting conversation today
on a topic called inner mastery.
And we want to look at what evendoes that mean? Inner mastery?
(00:44):
It sounds like a great word,doesn't it, but what does inner
mastery actually mean? And I'mrelating it from a story
of...there seems to be so muchof a pull to our attention, our
energy, our we're so easilydistracted by what's going on in
the outer world, whether it's insocial media or whether it's in
(01:07):
politics, whether it's in ourrelationships or finances. And
when we're pulled into all thesedifferent directions, we can
pull up a lot of stuff insideourselves, a lot of narrative, a
lot of dialog that isn't alwaysso empowering, and it makes us
hard to sleep at night. It keepsus up, it eats at us. And we
(01:28):
might be even asking thequestion, I feel helpless and
hopless. What is it mine to do?
I don't know what mine is to do.
Like, how can I make adifference, or can I even make a
difference? And so the innermastery is really looking at,
how do we gain insight andawareness over what's going on
(01:48):
inside of us, and have somespace between it so that we
don't get suffocated or buriedby it? And you know, we want to
look at some of the thoughts andthe emotions and even our
responses versus reactions,because, yeah, it's so easy,
isn't it, to get completely spunoff.
Maren Oslac (02:13):
So that's that is one of the things I'm seeing on
the planet right now, and in theworld, as we've mentioned, I'm
in the US, and you're in Canada,and there's so much going on,
and I see kind of two reactionsis one of them is to get
completely caught up in all ofthe stuff that's going on, and
(02:35):
be angry and be resentful andbe, you know, like to have
strong opinions about it, forbetter, for worse, right? Like,
just having a really strongreaction to it. The other one is
to kind of bury our heads and belike, la, la. I can't hear you,
right? I'm just gonna do what Ido and like, not think about it
(02:58):
as much as I can, even thougheggs are like, 10 times their
price, and milk is right? Allthe all the... there are so many
ways that it's impacting us inour personal lives. And so is
there something that's kind ofnot either of those things,
like, what's the alternative toeither being swept away by
(03:23):
what's going on in the outerworld or just completely
ignoring what's going on in theouter world.
Stephanie Allen (03:28):
Yeah, and I look at that almost like a flat
land road, so you think of likeyou're either left or right, or,
you know, it's this or that sortof thing. And what if it was a
triangle instead of a flatbottom of the triangle? What if
there was another part where wemet? Because sometimes we think
(03:49):
about meeting in the middle, andwhen we meet in the middle, it
dishonors, maybe ourselves orthe other person, and it's
compromising, and it's juststill icky. I still don't like
it. So how do we go to a wholenew level of awareness and
relationship that transcendswhere we both are? I guess like,
(04:13):
even like, right now we're intwo different countries, but
where we meet is in our hearts.
Where we meet is outside of timeand space and location and time
zones, even we meet at adifferent place with a common
intention. And I think thequestion for me is that maybe I
need to ask myself more, butalso what I'm encouraging my
clients more is like asking,what kind of world do you want
(04:36):
to live in? What is your ideal?
Maren Oslac (04:39):
I love that.
Stephanie Allen (04:40):
Instead of fighting against something
because it's there's alwaysgoing to be something to fight
against, always, there's alwayssomething that I always say, you
know, peace is not the absenceof war, healing is not the
absence of disease. And that maysound totally radical for you,
but it's like it's actuallyinside of us. Is inside, yeah,
right?
Maren Oslac (05:00):
So if peace is not the the opposite of war, then
what would you say is, like,what is your... you know,
because like, you said thatthere's that radical, like,
okay, so, but that's what we'vebeen taught. So...
Stephanie Allen (05:15):
That's right.
Maren Oslac (05:16):
...not what we've been taught. Then what is it
like? This is where our brainwants an answer to that right?
Stephanie Allen (05:23):
And this is where I would say the inner
mastery comes from, is findingthat internal war that I have
inside myself, and reallyfinding a harmonizing aspect of
it, or a transcendence, meaningthat they are all getting
honored, but I come to a wholenew level. There's that triangle
again, I come to a whole newlevel that is above it but also
(05:45):
includes it. So I'm not negatingit, I'm not punishing it, I'm
not rejecting it or ignoring it.
I'm also not fighting it, butI'm actually lifting it up so
that all parts are being met andlistened and noticed.
Maren Oslac (06:01):
I do. You know, we've used this analogy in the
past of you know, like, if youthink about from a high rise,
like, if you're standing in ahigh rise building and you're
standing on the first floor,then all you can see is ground
level. And then if you go to the10th floor, you get, oh, a
slightly different perspective.
Wow. That tree looks reallydifferent from the top, rather
(06:23):
than, right, you know, theground level. And if you go...
the hierarchy, you keep going upin the high rise, you have
different perspectives. And Ilike that with, like, your
triangle analogy, where, if wethink of the ground floor, is
that bottom layer of, okay, it'seither this or that. Okay, now,
let's go to the 10th floor andsee if we can find the
(06:45):
commonality, right? CommonGround there also, it's not
again, it's not from that flatperspective. You're not on the
first floor saying, you know,it's this or that. Okay, like
you said, we'll, we'll, we'llmediate, and it'll be flat land
mediation. You're actuallycoming from a higher
perspective, and we'll just callit a different perspective,
(07:06):
because it's not better orworse, it just is different. And
now I have more insights. I havea better sense of, oh, that's
why I couldn't see it, becauseto me, it looked this way, it
looked this way, and now itlooks totally different from a
different perspective. You know?
Yeah, right...
Stephanie Allen (07:25):
Yeah, like, sometimes we talk about the 360
degree view, but we tend tothink about doing that 360
degree view on the bottom floor,instead of, like, a multi
dimensional degree kind of look.
So it's like, yes, what if weWhen we
actually go to the future, wewalked another, you know, in the
other person's shoes, and see,saw from their eyes and felt
(07:49):
from their experience. That'swonderful empathy. And then
also, what happens if weactually go up to another,
different floor to look at thelook back and like crap,
actually, we did need to look upwhole thing from a from an
observation of, like, okay...
what am I seeing here, insteadof, like judging it as right or
(08:15):
wrong or good or bad, but whatam I looking at here that may be
helping and also what, whathigher level am I going on to,
or what different level upwardam I going on that is
actually... let me use it asanother example. I remember
(08:35):
years ago studying physicaleducation at university. You
know, there were certain thingsthat you did and did not do that
was right and wrong and good andbad. And one of the things, and
I laugh at this, because this isback in the 80s, you never ever
(08:57):
tilted your headback, you neverlooked up. You're supposed to
keep everything you know, in asagittal plane, everything like
forward and down and side toside. You never did up and down.
and down. And you know thatsaying is like, if you want to
So what happened? Well, then allof a sudden, you know, in the
live into something, startcreating the future you want to
(09:18):
live in. It's not about pushingaway what you don't want. I
90s, in the early 2000s westarted getting cell phones, we
think that's a great indicationof saying, hey, I don't want
this, whatever this is, andto beable to flip it to say, well,
started doing computers, andeverybody's looking down,
what do you want instead? Then,because that is part of your
everybody's looking down. Andthen all of a sudden, people
future that you can movetowards, and then you don't give
start looking up becausesomething's going by, and
the very thing that you hate ordisregard or whatever. You don't
(09:39):
they've, hurt their neck becausewe haven't used it. So my whole
give that energy. You actuallyallow it to give you energy to
move towards an ideal that youwant to live into, and
perspective is that whatsometimes seems to be right or
generally, if you share thatideal of where you want to live
wrong or good or bad at one timein your life.
into, other people will joinyou. You're not alone.
Maren Oslac (09:53):
And there are two things that as you're talking
come up for me, one of them isfrom a higher perspective you
can see things like what youwere just talking about. If we
were, had been able to look froma higher perspective and see a
longer, kind of further out intothe future, if you will. Because
(10:14):
from a higher perspective, yousee more of the past and more of
the future, right? You get tosee further out in what's going
on. So you can see, like, oh,that's just a crash waiting to
happen, versus being bright,like, when we're in it, we're so
in it, we can't see that. And sohaving some tools, having some
(10:36):
practices, so that we can get tothat next place of, okay, how do
I see further? How do I... howdo we become more aware of the
like, further out, so that Idon't get caught in, oh, I hurt
my neck because I looked up andI believed that old saying,
right? Because that's, that'skind of where we are right now.
(10:58):
Of, we're in this place ofchoice of where do we, and this
takes me to the second piece,which you're just talking about,
of when we're looking out ofthat upper floor window, we can
be looking at the past. I don'twant that, I don't want that. I
don't want that. And what doesthat then look like? Because
(11:20):
that's where we're going. Ithink we keep taking our past
and putting it in front of us,right? It's sometimes we keep
experiencing the same thing.
Stephanie Allen (11:31):
It's the same as driving a car looking in the
rear view mirror like that'sthat's probably not very safe.
You know, unless you're backingup, of course, you're going to
look in the rear view mirror,but if you are moving forward in
your life, it's reallyadvantageous to look out the
windshield. You don't want to bedriving, hanging on to the
window, hanging on to thesteering wheel, looking at the
(11:52):
rear view mirror, because you'regoing to miss what's coming
towards you, right? And chancesare you're going to crash, or
you're going to hurt somebody,or hurt and hurt yourself. And I
think that's why it's soimportant to look inside and to
look at the very things that youare angry with or afraid of or
feeling emotional about, becauseit does indicate there's a value
(12:14):
there. There's something that,instead of trying to push it
away or make it right or wrongor good or bad, to actually
uncover maybe a deeper valuethat you want to live into. And
that takes practice. It alsotakes it takes a community to
kind of help each other seesomething differently, a new
perspective, so that we can thencultivate that energy and move
(12:36):
towards an ideal, rather thanpushing away what we don't want.
Maren Oslac (12:41):
So I'm going to bring this back to the inner
mastery and why it's importantright now, and like, kind of
what it is, and all the thingsthat we've been talking about,
like, getting to that higherperspective that comes from an
inner place, not an outer place.
So one of the things that's trueis, right now, we have moved
(13:01):
from the age of information.
We've moved out of the age ofinformation, and we can
Yes. Like, like,how do I know in my heart, like,
experience - we know that rightlike, so more information is not
if I see the advertising thatI'm completely bombarded with,
what is needed right now. Like,we can ask chat GPT, we can ask
any of the like, we haveinformation coming about out our
or all of the fake news or realnews, I don't know. How do I
(13:21):
ears, like, there's so muchinformation, so it's, how do I
know? And yes, you can doresearch, and that's important.
know what's right for me in allof this information? How do I
We've got plenty of information,and we can sort through it, and
sometimes it's hard to tell. Sohow do we find that place in us?
(13:42):
get signal instead of noise? Howdo I know what is signal for me?
So that like, think of an oldtime radio where you'd had to
tune the knob in order to get tothe station, and you'd get
static, and then there's, oh,that's clear, and then it'd be
(14:05):
static again, and oh, that'sclear. That's what's happening
inside of us. There's so muchstatic. So the inner mastery is
about getting to that clarityfor me, for me, and that's
happening inside of me, not outthere in the world, and then the
(14:31):
mastery piece is okay. So how doI do that on a ongoing, regular
basis, so that I get clearer andclearer and clearer signals. You
Stephanie Allen (14:39):
What's true for you?
know, anyone who's put time intoany kind of anything to become
masterful at it, you know thatit's not a one and done. It's.
Yeah, no, it'sa constant looking inside and
(15:01):
checking in, because it's likethat same old saying of like, if
you don't know what you standfor, you'll fall for anything.
Meaning, if you don't know whatyou stand for, if you haven't
looked inside and listenedbeyond the static to find your
truth, your meaning, yourvalues, your inner guidance,
then you will be completely atthe whim of everything outside
(15:25):
of you. You will be over hereand over there and up, up and
down and sideways. You willliterally waste so much time and
energy, which also relates tomoney. It's currency. You know,
your current is all over theplace. There isn't a current.
It's kind of like a flat, flatdead zone of water. And when we
know when water is not flowing,it becomes actually toxic. And
(15:49):
so this is really key, and theChinese medicine would even tell
you this too. When things aren'tflowing for you, you end up
living toxicity, and thattoxicity will create dis-ease,
maybe first mentally oremotionally, but then eventually
physically in the way ofillness. So it's, it's so
important right now.
Maren Oslac (16:09):
It is so for, you know, I mean, like we're talking
about a lot of, like, kind ofbig concepts, and the actual
very tangible application of itin our lives. The simplest way I
can put it is that the moreinner mastery I have, the more
flow and joy and ease I have inmy life. And gosh, I know for
(16:36):
myself that if I could see, youknow, going to what you were
saying about what's the ideal?
What are you moving towards?
That's my ideal. And it's notjust for me. It's for the world,
because what I want to walk inis a world where people feel
(16:57):
they are in flow, where they'recoming from a place of joy
instead of anger, where there'sease instead of all the tension.
I just watch people walk around,including myself and like, all
the tension in that we hold inour necks and our shoulders and
like, and then it progresses toliteral disease.
Stephanie Allen (17:17):
Our nervous system is so hijacked. It's so
hijacked, meaning we are in aconstant sense, you know, sense
of hyper vigilance, so we're ina fight or flight, or even
freeze or even fawn. Everythingis triggering us. Everything is
is completely playing on ouremotions, so much so that we
(17:37):
don't even know anymore. We'veshut down and we've abdicated
meaning. We literally have givenup our sense of who we are and
why we're here. We've just said,why bother? And we give away our
life force, our power and we'reso needing like to be able to
find a way to tap back intothat. So when I look at the
inner mastery, it actually givesus protection when you actually
(18:01):
create a way to go inside andclear out and work with that
mastery. Ongoingly, you becomemore and more protected so
anyone out there that who'shighly sensitive to what other
people think of them, or beingable to say no and not feel
guilty, or any of those things,like, if you, if you truly care
(18:25):
about the world and yourself, tobe able to have some inner
mastery is actually protectingyou. So that you can rise above
it. I call it rise above theca-ca-pooponess... rise above
it, so that you can also tapinto that, that river that is
flowing within you, but it's soimportant to keep you nourished
and heal. You know, we talkabout the absence of you
(18:49):
know...healing is not theabsence of disease meaning in
the outer world. Healing isactually transcending within
yourself and moving up to awhole new place. So there is
peace, there is kindness, thereis self love, there's so much
more. And for those of you whoare gonna say, well, yeah, I
already love myself, I'm prettygood. That's great, because then
this will even help even thatmuch more. Because hurt people,
(19:11):
hurt people, but healed peopleheal people and loving people
love people.
Maren Oslac (19:17):
So it not only offers us protection, but then
it allows us to become theantidote 100% that's just so
cool. So we are so... thissubject matter is so important
that we are going to, the nextfew podcasts we're going to go
into five aspects of what itmeans to work with inner
(19:41):
mastery. And we're going tobring up, you know, like things
like emotional regulation andclarity and purpose. We're going
to talk about freedom fromexternal validation. Oh,
wouldn't that be nice, right,resilience without being rigid
and also integrating of ourshadow pieces. So we're going to
take each of these and talk alittle bit about why now, and
(20:04):
what that means for us, and giveyou a few tools. So we'd love
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(20:25):
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(20:45):
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this inner mastery, what itmeans and how you can start on
that journey or continue on itfor yourself. Thanks so much.
Stephanie Allen (21:11):
And that wraps up another episode of The
Soulful Leader Podcast with yourhosts, Stephanie Allen and
Maren Oslac (21:17):
Maren Oslac. Thank you for listening. If you'd like
to dive deeper, head over to ourwebsite, at TheSoulfulLeader
Podcast.com
Stephanie Allen (21:28):
Until next time...
In a world where we have everything and
it's still not enough, we'reoften left wondering, is this
really it?
Maren Oslac (00:10):
Deep Inside, you know there's more to life.
You're ready to leave behind theold push your way through and
claim the deeper, moremeaningful life that's calling
you.
Stephanie Allen (00:19):
That's what we invite you to explore with us.
We're your hosts, StephanieAllen and Maren Oslac, and this
is The Soulful Leader Podcast.
Yay! Hi.
Welcome to The Soulful LeaderPodcast. I'm here with Maren,
and we're gonna have a reallyinteresting conversation today
on a topic called inner mastery.
And we want to look at what evendoes that mean? Inner mastery?
(00:44):
It sounds like a great word,doesn't it, but what does inner
mastery actually mean? And I'mrelating it from a story
of...there seems to be so muchof a pull to our attention, our
energy, our we're so easilydistracted by what's going on in
the outer world, whether it's insocial media or whether it's in
(01:07):
politics, whether it's in ourrelationships or finances. And
when we're pulled into all thesedifferent directions, we can
pull up a lot of stuff insideourselves, a lot of narrative, a
lot of dialog that isn't alwaysso empowering, and it makes us
hard to sleep at night. It keepsus up, it eats at us. And we
(01:28):
might be even asking thequestion, I feel helpless and
hopless. What is it mine to do?
I don't know what mine is to do.
Like, how can I make adifference, or can I even make a
difference? And so the innermastery is really looking at,
how do we gain insight andawareness over what's going on
(01:48):
inside of us, and have somespace between it so that we
don't get suffocated or buriedby it? And you know, we want to
look at some of the thoughts andthe emotions and even our
responses versus reactions,because, yeah, it's so easy,
isn't it, to get completely spunoff.
Maren Oslac (02:13):
So that's that is one of the things I'm seeing on
the planet right now, and in theworld, as we've mentioned, I'm
in the US, and you're in Canada,and there's so much going on,
and I see kind of two reactionsis one of them is to get
completely caught up in all ofthe stuff that's going on, and
(02:35):
be angry and be resentful andbe, you know, like to have
strong opinions about it, forbetter, for worse, right? Like,
just having a really strongreaction to it. The other one is
to kind of bury our heads and belike, la, la. I can't hear you,
right? I'm just gonna do what Ido and like, not think about it
(02:58):
as much as I can, even thougheggs are like, 10 times their
price, and milk is right? Allthe all the... there are so many
ways that it's impacting us inour personal lives. And so is
there something that's kind ofnot either of those things,
like, what's the alternative toeither being swept away by
(03:23):
what's going on in the outerworld or just completely
ignoring what's going on in theouter world.
Stephanie Allen (03:28):
Yeah, and I look at that almost like a flat
land road, so you think of likeyou're either left or right, or,
you know, it's this or that sortof thing. And what if it was a
triangle instead of a flatbottom of the triangle? What if
there was another part where wemet? Because sometimes we think
(03:49):
about meeting in the middle, andwhen we meet in the middle, it
dishonors, maybe ourselves orthe other person, and it's
compromising, and it's juststill icky. I still don't like
it. So how do we go to a wholenew level of awareness and
relationship that transcendswhere we both are? I guess like,
(04:13):
even like, right now we're intwo different countries, but
where we meet is in our hearts.
Where we meet is outside of timeand space and location and time
zones, even we meet at adifferent place with a common
intention. And I think thequestion for me is that maybe I
need to ask myself more, butalso what I'm encouraging my
clients more is like asking,what kind of world do you want
(04:36):
to live in? What is your ideal?
Maren Oslac (04:39):
I love that.
Stephanie Allen (04:40):
Instead of fighting against something
because it's there's alwaysgoing to be something to fight
against, always, there's alwayssomething that I always say, you
know, peace is not the absenceof war, healing is not the
absence of disease. And that maysound totally radical for you,
but it's like it's actuallyinside of us. Is inside, yeah,
right?
Maren Oslac (05:00):
So if peace is not the the opposite of war, then
what would you say is, like,what is your... you know,
because like, you said thatthere's that radical, like,
okay, so, but that's what we'vebeen taught. So...
Stephanie Allen (05:15):
That's right.
Maren Oslac (05:16):
...not what we've been taught. Then what is it
like? This is where our brainwants an answer to that right?
Stephanie Allen (05:23):
And this is where I would say the inner
mastery comes from, is findingthat internal war that I have
inside myself, and reallyfinding a harmonizing aspect of
it, or a transcendence, meaningthat they are all getting
honored, but I come to a wholenew level. There's that triangle
again, I come to a whole newlevel that is above it but also
(05:45):
includes it. So I'm not negatingit, I'm not punishing it, I'm
not rejecting it or ignoring it.
I'm also not fighting it, butI'm actually lifting it up so
that all parts are being met andlistened and noticed.
Maren Oslac (06:01):
I do. You know, we've used this analogy in the
past of you know, like, if youthink about from a high rise,
like, if you're standing in ahigh rise building and you're
standing on the first floor,then all you can see is ground
level. And then if you go to the10th floor, you get, oh, a
slightly different perspective.
Wow. That tree looks reallydifferent from the top, rather
(06:23):
than, right, you know, theground level. And if you go...
the hierarchy, you keep going upin the high rise, you have
different perspectives. And Ilike that with, like, your
triangle analogy, where, if wethink of the ground floor, is
that bottom layer of, okay, it'seither this or that. Okay, now,
let's go to the 10th floor andsee if we can find the
(06:45):
commonality, right? CommonGround there also, it's not
again, it's not from that flatperspective. You're not on the
first floor saying, you know,it's this or that. Okay, like
you said, we'll, we'll, we'llmediate, and it'll be flat land
mediation. You're actuallycoming from a higher
perspective, and we'll just callit a different perspective,
(07:06):
because it's not better orworse, it just is different. And
now I have more insights. I havea better sense of, oh, that's
why I couldn't see it, becauseto me, it looked this way, it
looked this way, and now itlooks totally different from a
different perspective. You know?
Yeah, right...
Stephanie Allen (07:25):
Yeah, like, sometimes we talk about the 360
degree view, but we tend tothink about doing that 360
degree view on the bottom floor,instead of, like, a multi
dimensional degree kind of look.
So it's like, yes, what if weWhen we
actually go to the future, wewalked another, you know, in the
other person's shoes, and see,saw from their eyes and felt
(07:49):
from their experience. That'swonderful empathy. And then
also, what happens if weactually go up to another,
different floor to look at thelook back and like crap,
actually, we did need to look upwhole thing from a from an
observation of, like, okay...
what am I seeing here, insteadof, like judging it as right or
(08:15):
wrong or good or bad, but whatam I looking at here that may be
helping and also what, whathigher level am I going on to,
or what different level upwardam I going on that is
actually... let me use it asanother example. I remember
(08:35):
years ago studying physicaleducation at university. You
know, there were certain thingsthat you did and did not do that
was right and wrong and good andbad. And one of the things, and
I laugh at this, because this isback in the 80s, you never ever
(08:57):
tilted your headback, you neverlooked up. You're supposed to
keep everything you know, in asagittal plane, everything like
forward and down and side toside. You never did up and down.
and down. And you know thatsaying is like, if you want to
So what happened? Well, then allof a sudden, you know, in the
live into something, startcreating the future you want to
(09:18):
live in. It's not about pushingaway what you don't want. I
90s, in the early 2000s westarted getting cell phones, we
think that's a great indicationof saying, hey, I don't want
this, whatever this is, andto beable to flip it to say, well,
started doing computers, andeverybody's looking down,
what do you want instead? Then,because that is part of your
everybody's looking down. Andthen all of a sudden, people
future that you can movetowards, and then you don't give
start looking up becausesomething's going by, and
the very thing that you hate ordisregard or whatever. You don't
(09:39):
they've, hurt their neck becausewe haven't used it. So my whole
give that energy. You actuallyallow it to give you energy to
move towards an ideal that youwant to live into, and
perspective is that whatsometimes seems to be right or
generally, if you share thatideal of where you want to live
wrong or good or bad at one timein your life.
into, other people will joinyou. You're not alone.
Maren Oslac (09:53):
And there are two things that as you're talking
come up for me, one of them isfrom a higher perspective you
can see things like what youwere just talking about. If we
were, had been able to look froma higher perspective and see a
longer, kind of further out intothe future, if you will. Because
(10:14):
from a higher perspective, yousee more of the past and more of
the future, right? You get tosee further out in what's going
on. So you can see, like, oh,that's just a crash waiting to
happen, versus being bright,like, when we're in it, we're so
in it, we can't see that. And sohaving some tools, having some
(10:36):
practices, so that we can get tothat next place of, okay, how do
I see further? How do I... howdo we become more aware of the
like, further out, so that Idon't get caught in, oh, I hurt
my neck because I looked up andI believed that old saying,
right? Because that's, that'skind of where we are right now.
(10:58):
Of, we're in this place ofchoice of where do we, and this
takes me to the second piece,which you're just talking about,
of when we're looking out ofthat upper floor window, we can
be looking at the past. I don'twant that, I don't want that. I
don't want that. And what doesthat then look like? Because
(11:20):
that's where we're going. Ithink we keep taking our past
and putting it in front of us,right? It's sometimes we keep
experiencing the same thing.
Stephanie Allen (11:31):
It's the same as driving a car looking in the
rear view mirror like that'sthat's probably not very safe.
You know, unless you're backingup, of course, you're going to
look in the rear view mirror,but if you are moving forward in
your life, it's reallyadvantageous to look out the
windshield. You don't want to bedriving, hanging on to the
window, hanging on to thesteering wheel, looking at the
(11:52):
rear view mirror, because you'regoing to miss what's coming
towards you, right? And chancesare you're going to crash, or
you're going to hurt somebody,or hurt and hurt yourself. And I
think that's why it's soimportant to look inside and to
look at the very things that youare angry with or afraid of or
feeling emotional about, becauseit does indicate there's a value
(12:14):
there. There's something that,instead of trying to push it
away or make it right or wrongor good or bad, to actually
uncover maybe a deeper valuethat you want to live into. And
that takes practice. It alsotakes it takes a community to
kind of help each other seesomething differently, a new
perspective, so that we can thencultivate that energy and move
(12:36):
towards an ideal, rather thanpushing away what we don't want.
Maren Oslac (12:41):
So I'm going to bring this back to the inner
mastery and why it's importantright now, and like, kind of
what it is, and all the thingsthat we've been talking about,
like, getting to that higherperspective that comes from an
inner place, not an outer place.
So one of the things that's trueis, right now, we have moved
(13:01):
from the age of information.
We've moved out of the age ofinformation, and we can
Yes. Like, like,how do I know in my heart, like,
experience - we know that rightlike, so more information is not
if I see the advertising thatI'm completely bombarded with,
what is needed right now. Like,we can ask chat GPT, we can ask
any of the like, we haveinformation coming about out our
or all of the fake news or realnews, I don't know. How do I
(13:21):
ears, like, there's so muchinformation, so it's, how do I
know? And yes, you can doresearch, and that's important.
know what's right for me in allof this information? How do I
We've got plenty of information,and we can sort through it, and
sometimes it's hard to tell. Sohow do we find that place in us?
(13:42):
get signal instead of noise? Howdo I know what is signal for me?
So that like, think of an oldtime radio where you'd had to
tune the knob in order to get tothe station, and you'd get
static, and then there's, oh,that's clear, and then it'd be
(14:05):
static again, and oh, that'sclear. That's what's happening
inside of us. There's so muchstatic. So the inner mastery is
about getting to that clarityfor me, for me, and that's
happening inside of me, not outthere in the world, and then the
(14:31):
mastery piece is okay. So how doI do that on a ongoing, regular
basis, so that I get clearer andclearer and clearer signals. You
Stephanie Allen (14:39):
What's true for you?
know, anyone who's put time intoany kind of anything to become
masterful at it, you know thatit's not a one and done. It's.
Yeah, no, it'sa constant looking inside and
(15:01):
checking in, because it's likethat same old saying of like, if
you don't know what you standfor, you'll fall for anything.
Meaning, if you don't know whatyou stand for, if you haven't
looked inside and listenedbeyond the static to find your
truth, your meaning, yourvalues, your inner guidance,
then you will be completely atthe whim of everything outside
(15:25):
of you. You will be over hereand over there and up, up and
down and sideways. You willliterally waste so much time and
energy, which also relates tomoney. It's currency. You know,
your current is all over theplace. There isn't a current.
It's kind of like a flat, flatdead zone of water. And when we
know when water is not flowing,it becomes actually toxic. And
(15:49):
so this is really key, and theChinese medicine would even tell
you this too. When things aren'tflowing for you, you end up
living toxicity, and thattoxicity will create dis-ease,
maybe first mentally oremotionally, but then eventually
physically in the way ofillness. So it's, it's so
important right now.
Maren Oslac (16:09):
It is so for, you know, I mean, like we're talking
about a lot of, like, kind ofbig concepts, and the actual
very tangible application of itin our lives. The simplest way I
can put it is that the moreinner mastery I have, the more
flow and joy and ease I have inmy life. And gosh, I know for
(16:36):
myself that if I could see, youknow, going to what you were
saying about what's the ideal?
What are you moving towards?
That's my ideal. And it's notjust for me. It's for the world,
because what I want to walk inis a world where people feel
(16:57):
they are in flow, where they'recoming from a place of joy
instead of anger, where there'sease instead of all the tension.
I just watch people walk around,including myself and like, all
the tension in that we hold inour necks and our shoulders and
like, and then it progresses toliteral disease.
Stephanie Allen (17:17):
Our nervous system is so hijacked. It's so
hijacked, meaning we are in aconstant sense, you know, sense
of hyper vigilance, so we're ina fight or flight, or even
freeze or even fawn. Everythingis triggering us. Everything is
is completely playing on ouremotions, so much so that we
(17:37):
don't even know anymore. We'veshut down and we've abdicated
meaning. We literally have givenup our sense of who we are and
why we're here. We've just said,why bother? And we give away our
life force, our power and we'reso needing like to be able to
find a way to tap back intothat. So when I look at the
inner mastery, it actually givesus protection when you actually
(18:01):
create a way to go inside andclear out and work with that
mastery. Ongoingly, you becomemore and more protected so
anyone out there that who'shighly sensitive to what other
people think of them, or beingable to say no and not feel
guilty, or any of those things,like, if you, if you truly care
(18:25):
about the world and yourself, tobe able to have some inner
mastery is actually protectingyou. So that you can rise above
it. I call it rise above theca-ca-pooponess... rise above
it, so that you can also tapinto that, that river that is
flowing within you, but it's soimportant to keep you nourished
and heal. You know, we talkabout the absence of you
(18:49):
know...healing is not theabsence of disease meaning in
the outer world. Healing isactually transcending within
yourself and moving up to awhole new place. So there is
peace, there is kindness, thereis self love, there's so much
more. And for those of you whoare gonna say, well, yeah, I
already love myself, I'm prettygood. That's great, because then
this will even help even thatmuch more. Because hurt people,
(19:11):
hurt people, but healed peopleheal people and loving people
love people.
Maren Oslac (19:17):
So it not only offers us protection, but then
it allows us to become theantidote 100% that's just so
cool. So we are so... thissubject matter is so important
that we are going to, the nextfew podcasts we're going to go
into five aspects of what itmeans to work with inner
(19:41):
mastery. And we're going tobring up, you know, like things
like emotional regulation andclarity and purpose. We're going
to talk about freedom fromexternal validation. Oh,
wouldn't that be nice, right,resilience without being rigid
and also integrating of ourshadow pieces. So we're going to
take each of these and talk alittle bit about why now, and
(20:04):
what that means for us, and giveyou a few tools. So we'd love
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(20:25):
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(20:45):
things, feel free to join us onYouTube. Thanks so much for
joining us today, and we'll lookforward to going deeper into
this inner mastery, what itmeans and how you can start on
that journey or continue on itfor yourself. Thanks so much.
Stephanie Allen (21:11):
And that wraps up another episode of The
Soulful Leader Podcast with yourhosts, Stephanie Allen and
Maren Oslac (21:17):
Maren Oslac. Thank you for listening. If you'd like
to dive deeper, head over to ourwebsite, at TheSoulfulLeader
Podcast.com
Stephanie Allen (21:28):
Until next time...
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