August 14, 2025 • 39 mins
Standing firm in your convictions doesn't have to come with expectations or emotional baggage. This enlightening conversation reveals the power of authenticity in both personal beliefs and relationships.
When we react from a place of anger or revenge, we create outcomes vastly different than when we act from alignment with our higher selves. The key distinction? Processing your emotions before taking action. Snap decisions rarely serve our highest good, while thoughtful responses rooted in our truth create powerful, positive change.
Our hosts share a remarkable relationship story that defies conventional dating wisdom. Rather than presenting polished versions of themselves, they "dumped all their baggage on the floor" from day one. This radical honesty created a foundation of acceptance that continues to strengthen their partnership years later. It's a powerful reminder that true connection happens when we're brave enough to show up as our unfiltered selves.
Perhaps most liberating is the permission to let your beliefs evolve. As we grow and experience new aspects of life, our perspectives naturally shift. This doesn't make us inconsistent—it makes us human. The courage to update your belief system according to your current understanding is a sign of wisdom, not weakness.
When someone's words or actions trigger you, that's your opportunity for growth. As one host wisely notes, "Whoever the offended party is, they're the one that has the work to do." This perspective shift puts the power back in your hands, transforming potential conflicts into catalysts for self-discovery.
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Thank you.
Good morning everyone.
Welcome back to the SpiritualGrind and we are in studio today
the first time doing video.
We are here to be setting upour camera waving at the camera.
Good morning, drny in the house.
Hey, we uh got a correction.
We now have.
(00:53):
Our guest speaker.
Today is going to be on on the18th.
He verified this morning, soit's not going to be on this
podcast, it will be on the nextone.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And it's Philip.
His name is Philip and he ownsa red light sauna company.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And if you'll look at our last podcast, all his
information is on thedescription of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Right, right, right yeah.
Infrared.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's a red light sauna of some sort.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Are you sure it's red light, or is it infrared?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I don't know.
I'll let him tell me.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We have cat-tastrophe going on.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, we really do.
Our cats are at each otherright now.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We have one hiding over here.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, I see her.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And we have one stalking over here stalking over
here.
So they want to wait until weget on air to act a fool.
Play their shenanigans Usuallyduring the day.
They already by this time havegone off to their napping hidey
(02:05):
holes and we can actually getstuff done.
It's like having children.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Really, because they're for some reason want to
fight every day.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't understand why they do Like brothers and
sisters and sisters and sistersand brothers and brothers One
older sister, one younger sister.
Yeah, they're not biological,but they're adopted sisters.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And they're both being stupid.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
We're doing the high-value treat modification
behavioral system.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, it seems to be working a little bit.
It has calmed down.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I would agree it is, but it's taking a minute.
I would like to see instantchange.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
But it's taking a minute.
So I'll apologize in advance ifthe editor has to deal with
some cat fight that ends uphappening in the middle of this.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, I don't think she's going to stay right there
by our feet until we're done,but anyway, so it brings me to
my topic.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It does.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, I have a topic.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Curiously enough no.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I usually wait and let you bring the topic.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, my topic is this and it kind of co-mingles
with another topic.
Okay, and that is.
It's okay to stand up for whatyou believe in.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Ooh, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It's okay to you.
Know the old catchphrase giveme something to believe in.
Give me something to believe in.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Give me something to believe in I think that's a song
.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It is a song, and uh, you know, I heard somebody say
one time um, if you don't standup for something, you'll never
stand up at all.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh, I don't believe I've ever heard that.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And that was actually a professor one time at a
lecture that did that.
But the part of it is it's okay.
It's okay to be who you are andstand up for right and wrong in
ethics and morals and and allsorts of.
However, what are you, what areyou doing?
This cat's acting a fool and so, like what brought it up this
(04:26):
morning was our little coffeetalk session and the fact that
it is okay for us to stand upfor what we believe in and how
we've been treated in the rightthing.
It is always okay to stand upfor the right thing.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
As you can see on the video, he's steadily being
whacked in.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And being cat-whipped .
Speaker 2 (04:52):
By the tail that keeps flickering on the side of
his face.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Can you move on please?
But you know we have oursituation where we have had some
health challenges due to someexposure and setting up for
what's right.
And we've also had.
I've also had another situationthat I'm not going to disclose
yet that I am looking intowithin that.
(05:18):
That really was because I wasalways the guy in the situation
that was saying this is, hang on, give him a chance, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
And then something elsehappened and it was like you
know what I'm done.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, yeah, I mean, what can be convoluted or
tangled up in that is the wholesocietally programmed.
Turn the other cheek mentality.
Yes, I agree, turn the othercheek mentality.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Be the one who don't lower yourself to their
standards.
Be the stand-up guy like turnthe other cheek.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, you know, and that's where I'm at in all this,
do you all see?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
her.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh, you're acting a fool.
See, she's stalking yeah.
You need to stalk and get thelease to show up.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, but Cats are a different kind of beast.
They are gonna do their owndamn thing.
Seriously, you're supposed tobe a like metaphysical
resemblance of being in twodifferent worlds, and I would
expect you to be more in tunewith your spiritual self.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Go on Back up.
You're not getting on the gosomewhere else.
Go stalk somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay, cat shenanigans .
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, cease, she laid down now Good.
And so you know, going throughthe scenario we went through,
you know we have a tendency ashumans to hang on to stupid
things and do stupid thingsbecause we feel like we have
been done wrongly.
And when we evacuated ourselvesit brought a lot of fears up
for me.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Not to be confused with pooping.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yes, don't be confused with pooping.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Wow, that was I'm going to suggest.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Not doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, never do that again.
That was ugly.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But the part of it for me that brought up the fears
was that we do the right thing,and I had to reassure myself
that you never go wrong doingthe right thing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Well, and that's right, as long as the intention
behind it is equal to that.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It's pure.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, doing the right thing.
If it comes from an energyplace of, you know, revenge.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I drink Pepsi.
In case Pepsi wants to sponsorthe page.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Revenge or from an energy of you know, deep anger
or hate.
If it comes from any of thoseenergy places, when you're doing
the right thing air quote,you're doing the right thing,
air quote it's going to have adifferent turnout and it's going
to end up much differently thanif you are following the.
(08:12):
I'm truly honestly aligned withmy higher self and I'm doing
the right thing energy.
Those are two differentenergies.
I agree, and so you want to makesure you've dealt with your
emotions within it before youact.
Because, as we've talked aboutbefore, you know, the reality
(08:45):
and the universe arefrequency-based, energy-based,
and if you're putting out thatenergy, that you're only out for
revenge or you're coming fromone of those lower frequencies,
the situation will turn out muchdifferently than if you're
truly coming from a place of.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, the reality is that snappy emotional decisions
are generally bad decisions.
When you, as long as you handleyour emotions, emotions are
natural and good, but as long asyou handle them, um, that
decision becomes easier.
And as long as it's not a snapdecision, because snappy motions
cause you to make decisionsthat can be viewed as irrational
(09:23):
or not in the pure form.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Right, right and that kind of piggybacks with It'll
cause your actions to bedifferent.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, because it can marry with revenge, with
hostility.
When you do those kind ofthings and when you don't handle
your emotions like you said,you can make a snap emotional
decision because you wantrevenge.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Right and with us, our, our, our outcome will be
much different than if you'regenuinely doing it from a place
of, uh, you know, justice andtrue justice, finding the place
of the right thing.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Agreed, agreed, and so that what in the within this
topic that I think everybodyshould talk about is is
understanding that, no matterwhat you believe, no matter who
you are, as long as you're beingpure within yourself, it's okay
to stand up for what youbelieve in, right, you know,
like we see it all the time, butyou want to remember that you
(10:25):
can't necessarily makeindividuals do anything.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You can just speak your piece within it.
If you're talking aboutinteracting with an individual
person, Agreed If you're talkingabout interacting with a
company construct or a corporateconstruct, then there are
judicial things in place thatcan help you navigate that.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But you can't make another human being really do
anything.
So make sure your expectation,if you're doing a one-on-one
doing the right thing, you'renot doing it from a place of if
I do this, it will cause theindividual to behave differently
situation because they stillare, uh, in charge of their own
(11:20):
reality and have the free willto do pretty much whatever they
want to do within it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, you know, and it is actually.
This is actually a mainstreamtopic right now, going on about
what the pronouns and how peoplewant to be identified, and you
know who cares.
You know who cares.
They believe in what?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
they believe.
How does that tie in?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Because they're standing up for what they
believe in.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh, I gotcha.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You know, and so it's a mainstream topic going on is
we have, you know, theconversation is they believe
what they believe and that'sokay, and you can't change
anybody else's mind, and nor canthe people that don't believe
in it be able to change theirmind, and that's the human
experience, right?
You know?
The political parties, thereligions to everything.
It's who cares, who cares.
Let people live their life.
You can choose to be a part ofit or not right but if they're
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standing up for what theybelieve in, that should tell you
something about their moralsand their ethics is if they
truly believe in something andthey're standing up for it, that
tells you something about them.
That tells you a lot.
That tells you that whether youthink it's right or wrong that
that person is doing somethingwith their life and I think it's
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a part of the human experienceis understanding that a as long
as you're standing up for whatyou believe in in a pure way and
not out of an emotionalstandpoint or with some kind of
expectation that you're going topreach the gospel or you're
going to make sure thateverybody calls you by the right
pronoun, that's okay.
But just realize you don'tcontrol others and that's why
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we're in this human experience,because everybody can have their
own thoughts, patterns,programs, emotions and live the
experience together.
It's a choice that we can dotogether.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, I agree, and like I often say and will
continue to say is, whoever theoffended party is, they're the
one that has the work to do,whoever, the offended party is.
They're the one that has thework to do you know so if I call
you the wrong pronoun and youget bothered by it, that's not
(13:34):
my baggage, that's yours.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Correct, you know and .
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I can bring a topic that I have personally and be
accountable for it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Totally agree.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know Is the key takeaway, no matter what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
You know, I've come across this a couple of times
and to where people they believein something purely in their
heart, they think this is theright thing, this is the right
way, and like, for example, whenI became an ordained minister
(14:11):
and I was preaching in one ofthe religious thing, one of the
religious uh um, denominations,denominations, and when I got
told to do it a certain way, Ididn't feel it was right and I
stood up for what I believed inand I so I was like, listen, so
perhaps this is not for me.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And I'm going to stand my ground here Right and
if you all choose to join me,that's okay.
But I am choosing not to takethat on Right and I had no
expectations out of it.
I walked away.
No hard feelings, no fouls, noflags went flying on the field.
None of that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Right Flags went flying on the field.
None of that Right?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and it's the same thing I did
when I was officiating footballand I left.
You know I retired from it fortwo reasons A they were changing
the rules of it and B, theywere putting parameters on the
physical expectations of peoplethat were going to.
It was going to really thin outtheir field.
(15:04):
Yeah, and I didn't believe init.
You know, I granted, I get it.
We had to do the physicalstwice a year and go through all
that stuff and the making surewe can keep up.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But I left because I was like you know, I don't want
any part of that yeah, you getto make that choice yeah and we
all, we all get to make our ownchoices, that's you all do your
thing the way you're going to doit, but I want nothing to do
with it right and whenever youyou know, in the whole construct
of how this multiverseexperience uh works as a spirit,
(15:37):
having a human experiencethat's one of the key parts of
it is um to that acknowledgementplace of A.
I get to make my choices.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And you don't necessarily have to.
If you make a choice andthere's guilt that comes behind
that, the questions need to beokay.
Who am I making this choice for?
Yes, and why am I stillcontinuing to choose to make the
(16:12):
they or them outside of mepleased and happy?
Yes, that's what I would lookat.
Yes, totally when you get to aplace where you can make those
choices, set boundaries, honorthose for yourself, without any
kind of feel bad type, title,guilt, shame, any of that.
(16:36):
That's the real growth place toget to.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Agreed, I agree totally.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And then, not expecting them to necessarily
change what they're doing.
Yeah, you can have expectationsand that would be an additional
advancement in the school, soto speak.
Yeah, like the graduation tothe next grade is, I'm to set my
boundary.
I am going to react accordingto your behavior towards that
(17:11):
boundary, but I'm not going todo it from a place of expecting
you to change what you're doing.
I am just going to tend to me.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I am going to make those choices accordingly,
and it could be that I remove myso as we video this he's
basically doing a Pepsi videocommercial.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
No, I drink Pepsi all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Really, I'm just playing around For those who are
just listening and not seeingthe video.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You know, and that you're totally right, because
what's going to happen if youput expectations on the other to
think the way you think?
You're going to be disappointedevery single time.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah.
Because none of us speak exactor think exactly alike, right,
you know, even even Dr Jenny andmyself myself, we don't have
exact um beliefs on thingsabsolutely not, as a matter of
fact, when we have discussionsand conversations and coffee
talk, there are many times whereone or both of us will say,
(18:17):
well, we're gonna agree todisagree and leave it at that
listen, lady, I ain't goingthere we try to say it in a
little bit more loving way, yeah, we do we agree to disagree,
and that's okay yes, it is okay,it is 100 okay.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Um, and that's one of the reasons why we started
doing coffee, talk is to openlyto people, because everybody
always said how do you all notfight, how do you all not fight,
how do you all not argue?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, I think back in the day, honestly,
Coffee Talk started because wewere teaching each other and
ourselves in our relationshiphow to communicate with each
other in a way that each of uscould understand, because we
(19:03):
were on a journey on trying tofigure out what makes up a
healthy relationship for us.
Yeah, uh, because we both camefrom uh unique rocky world.
Rocky world, yeah and thereality that I think we both
were at when we met years ago isthere's no book you get handed
(19:30):
Like you don't get handed theplaybook on how to do a
relationship.
You kind of have to figure itout as you go along, and it's
kind of like the spiritualawakening process you figure out
what works for you, yeah, andyou do that.
There's no black and white, doit this way, do it that way,
(19:53):
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'm sitting here holding my beautiful quartz
crystal sphere.
That's one of the things I doto keep my energy frequency
elevated on some days so thatwhen I channel information for
(20:15):
everybody in the collective andus, that I am at that highest
frequency so that whateverentity can come through has the
ability to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I know you hold crystals.
I drink Pepsi.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
That's one of the techniques that I use, but that
doesn't mean that that techniqueworks for every single person
on the planet, and so, as we,you know, guide and and teach
along the way.
This would be one of the tricks.
I say hey, you know what?
Test it out, see what it doesfor you.
If it works, great, if itdoesn't, toss it in the trash
(20:55):
and move on yeah and so I thinkour coffee talk was kind of that
, yes, figuring out, uh fully.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Each other's languages.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, how does this person understand me?
How do I need to communicate sothat this person clearly
understands me?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And we were both very staunch on standing up for our
own self.
Yeah, yeah, and that's okay todo.
Yeah, I think that was one ofthe things that really attracted
me more was hey, you know, thislady laid it all out here and
she's standing up for who she is, and you know what.
I think I'm going to accept itjust because I never had anybody
do that before.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, it was not a get a flimsy stick and draw a
halfway invisible line in thesand.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I freaking dug a trench and we both did.
We both dumped everything yeah,like listen, this is what
you're getting yourself intohere's all the baggage I'm still
carrying, that I am stillworking with.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Here's the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful
like here it is yeah, it was apretty funny knock down, drag
out fight that went on.
Wait, I mean this went off likefour or five hours.
We just both started dumpingeverything.
You don't want to be with mebecause this right.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It was almost like we were trying to run the other
person off, because I think wewere.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, I think so.
That's the truth.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I think that's exactly what we were doing I
think we're both at a placewhere we weren't out tooling
around the planet looking for arelationship.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
We were perfectly comfortable being ourselves
within our bubble yeah, anddoing it by ourselves.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I was in the process of refinding myself completely,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, and so, therefore, it gave us a
different perspective.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, and so, therefore, it gave us a
different perspective.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Like you know, sometimes you go into a
relationship and yourdesperation mode kind of kicks
in and so you put on that prettyfancy face kind of persona and
you hide some of that crap andthat doesn't usually work out
well, right.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I agree, some of that crap, and that doesn't usually
work out well.
Right, I agree, but you want itso bad.
You want to behave, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, and that's where everybody puts on their
best face when they'rerelationship.
And, boy, we did not Put onyour best behavior, put on your
best face.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
We took our baggage and just poured it on the floor
in front of each other.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Listen this is what I look like when I get up in the
morning my shit stinks, mybreath is atrocious till I brush
my teeth.
I got baggage in all thesedifferent directions and I think
that it's.
I think it's a good thing to do, because then it gives the
other person full knowledge fulldisclosure declassified and
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they get to make an informeddecision on okay, are these
things that I can navigate withthis person and do I want to?
And that's what I think is thebeginning of a healthy
relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
And I think the bigger part of that is neither
one of us expected the other oneto say okay.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, I think the bigger part of it was For me was
full disclosure and being okayIf you said eh.
I appreciate your fulldisclosure, but this is not
something I can or want tonavigate.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Let's be friends.
Dog Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think that was the biggest thing for me was coming
from that new place of oh mygosh, I don't want to be alone.
I want this relationship towork out.
Let me keep all my skeletons inmy closet.
Let me divulge them at just theright time when I've already
got him in my clasp Right.
(24:47):
So this relationship for me.
I had evolved and really donesome self-study and part of
meeting you and came to therealization that you know what I
?
I'm okay, yeah, whether thisone works or whether it doesn't,
and so I am gonna be completely, I will survive, right.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh sorry.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I am going to be completely open and completely
upfront and it felt so muchbetter to be that.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, you don't have to go through life hiding
anything.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's right.
It felt really good not to haveto fake in and then do that
dumbass dance.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
They just really appreciated that and it was for
me.
I like I said the um being okayeither way.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Right Yep.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
If you chose to join me on the journey, fine.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Listen, I got 19 kids , 27 X's, and I owe $100,000.
Oh, did I mention I take 14mental medications?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And if no, that's true, by the way.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I got 27 baby mamas and if you, chose not to.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I was okay as well.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And that was a new place for me.
It was me too.
I had not come into a possiblerelationship from that, you know
, I'd actually made thatdecision in my little
self-discovery period where Iwas single and going through all
that stuff and I was like, well, I was going through a divorce
but I came to that decision.
Like you know what, I am notaccepting anybody fake anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I am not going to be faking anybody anymore, and I
deserve better than that.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And it's very freeing .
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yes, I did.
You know I did, I did.
I had to be myself.
It was time for me to be myselfand not what everybody expected
me to be.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because that's what I had done over the course of the
years.
I wasn't standing up for me.
I wasn't standing up for what Ibelieved in.
Yeah, I wasn't standing up forwhat I felt was wrong and right.
Right I was.
I was doing what I thoughteverybody else expected me to do
exactly and, and you know whatit fulfilled for me do tell
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absolutely nothing doing whateverybody else expected me to do
right exactly now what did whenI come into the place to where
I changed it and I was like youknow what?
I'm going to stand up for myself.
I'm going to be me.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'm going to be me.
If you don't like it, turn yourdamn head.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Or go away.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Or go away.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And being okay with that.
That's very freeing.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
It has been a phenomenal relationship.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It has.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So far and so far, and it's been awesome.
You know we've been married nowfor a few years and together a
lot more, and I wouldn't changeanything.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I mean are we perfect ?
Do we, do we have the perfectcohesive relationship?
I would say yes.
Do we have human moments in it?
100%.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Absolutely.
We have what's perfect for us.
That's correct and and uh.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I mean, I learned a long time ago what you say, I do
, and what you, what you teach,I have to listen to and I just
shut up.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I am the doctor, by the way.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
She always says I did , I'm designer, you're
construction, so basically thattells you what, that, what she
says goes and it's my, my job toput it in place.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Your job, to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, and I'm okay with that.
It works out well because Ienjoy building things.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So right like last night for supper, I was hungry
for tomato soup and grilledcheese.
Yeah, and he keep asking meokay, well, do you want this, do
you want that?
How many slices of cheese youwant?
I'm like you're the previousyou're the chef yeah, can you
just effing figure it out.
(28:38):
I was like yes, ma'am, I'msorry like why are you asking me
all these questions?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
well, because I've made grilled cheese before and
you said it was too cheesy.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That's why just make it, for goodness sake no, in all
reality, it's uh.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
We boasted it for ourselves and that's what I'm
we're teaching everybody in thispodcast today.
It is 100 okay to stand up forwhat you believe in, develop
your beliefs, stand up for themand continue to uh cultivate
them cultivate them and honorthem and let them grow.
And and you know, and what Iwould say on the flip side of
that is, if something, somebody,brings something up to you that
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you don't resonate with you,and it is okay for you to say,
listen, I'm a cup of tea today,but I would still stop and look
at it and see what the world istrying to bring to your
attention.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, because there's always opportunities for
mirroring.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And what that by definition.
What that means is that yourreality is always mirroring
something back to you.
Yes, that you can learn from.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Agreed.
And don't you talk aboutmirroring in your book?
I do.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, scripted from within.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It's out on Amazon.
You can get it at Amazon or KDP.
It's soon to be on Audible.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Scripted from within.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It's a nice quick little read.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
You can see it's not too beefy.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
No, not too beefy, just a good little handbook.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Get through it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I would suggest reading one chapter at a time,
making your notes that'sincluded in there, and then read
the second chapter and then goback and review first and second
.
You know this is this is one ofthose books that you need to
read one, two.
Go back and read one, two, thenthree, then read two, three,
four and kind of go back throughand skip through it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And because it uh I would agree, it's, definitely
it's a study guide really studycat.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, it's uh interactive and I expected it to
be more than that because, man,the manuscript was much longer,
but when you put it in print,it shrinks it down yeah it was
crazy.
It's like 70, what?
Uh?
No, 105 pages, I think I don'tknow, because the page numbers
got taken off somewhere.
I don't know actually how manypages it is, but you can get get
it on KDP for $15.89.
(30:52):
Oh, I'm sorry, on Amazon for$15.89 or on KDP for $9.99.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, well, the page numbers are on the manuscript
but somehow, when we ordered itand got it in print, there was
no page numbers in it.
They are written in invisible.
No, I did screw up when I causeI edited it Invisible ink, I
think.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I, I, you know I may have, I may have colored the
page numbers wrong or somethingand they just didn't come out,
but cause I did the editing onit, it was me and and I did not
put page numbers on the index,right, but I did put them in the
book and that's okay.
I screwed it up, that's allright.
We'll learn.
(31:33):
We'll do it better next time.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, and that's the thing is you know that was one
of the coffee talks we hadyesterday.
Yeah, and that's a nicereminder is taking action
doesn't mean doing it perfectly.
It means put yourself out there, take action and remember that
(31:58):
nothing is not fixable.
You can't fuck it up.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Anyway.
So the topic of this podcastand she was just talking about
that is that you kind of marrytogether and just know that it
is okay Any way, shape or formas long as you you stand up and
you believe in things and youwant to defend those things and
(32:23):
you want to be a part of thosethings and you want to spread it
across the world, that is okayto do.
Just don't have theexpectations of others, because
those expectations are going todisappoint you every single time
.
You may find some of yourpeople that agree with you and
they're going to jump in thereand they're going to do it with
you, but you're going to findpeople that don't, and so you
have to free the expectationsand the emotions behind it,
(32:45):
cause when you startinterjecting emotions into
expectations, you end up withbad, bad things happening.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I wouldn't say bad, bad, they're just going to be a
reality that you wouldn't havenecessarily otherwise wanted to
be a part of.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean I think bad, bad, bad is a little bit of an
over embellishment.
I mean, unless of course you goout and murder somebody, then
that's not going to be verypleasant at all.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Right, but hey, you know what I like.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Oh, dear God, please, where are you taking us with?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
that I've been watching that show Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh yeah, I've been enjoying that show.
Wednesday Addams.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, the Wednesday Addams show they made a series
out of it.
Yeah.
Season one season two yeah,season two just came out.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's a seasonal little thing.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
It is kind of a fun little.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I sit here all morning watching it and didn't
get anything accomplished.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
The premise behind it is she's kind of like an
investigator.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, she would be a magical investigator, murder
mystery crossover into themagical world.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I mean Hark, the Raven, nevermore, and they have
magical powers.
There's got to be something tothat, because the school she
goes to is called Nevermore, thedance they went to is called
the Raven, and then these ravenskeep showing up in the thing.
There's got to be something tothat with the Edgar Allen Poe
thing.
Of course, coming up somewherein there.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, if I remember correctly, she says somewhere
along the way, even in the movie, or somewhere something about
liking.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Edgar Allen Poe and his works or something.
Nice.
It was a good book actually.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Edgar Allan Poe or the Adams family.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
No, edgar Allan Poe's work.
Oh yeah, he had.
He had a few books, but I'mtrying to remember the name of
that book, now that you I saidthat because it was a poem, that
book, now that I said thatBecause it was a poem Hark the
Raven, nevermore, hark the Raven, nevermore, what was that that
came out?
I'll have to look it up.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Anyway, well, have the listeners look it up and
send us a message.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, send us a message on that, because I can't
remember the name of that.
It was a poem.
I believe actually that hewrote.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah.
So just to recap, it isperfectly okay to put your
boundaries in place and honorthose boundaries and not let
people cross those boundaries.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
That is correct.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
It is okay to stand up for what you believe in, even
if your beliefs change the verynext day.
That is okay too.
Some people feel like they haveto carry a belief with them
until the end of time.
Yes, and you don't.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
That's right, because things change, humans change,
situations change.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
You experience a situation under the premise of
this belief, and when you'redone with that experience and
you're ready to move on to thenext mission or experience,
those beliefs may not benefityou.
And so you have to upgrade yourbelief system in order to have
(36:17):
a really authentic experiencewith the next part of the
journey.
So it's okay for your beliefsto change from day to day,
moment to moment minute tominute, but the key is honoring
those.
Don't let people, situations orevents cause you to veer from
that.
If that's what you're doing atthe moment, stand up for it and
(36:39):
it's perfectly okay, but do itfrom the right intention that's
correct?
Well, I think you're the onethat gets offended it's on you
situation.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
That's your baggage pick up that coin and flip it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
offended in a situation, that's your baggage
Pick up that coin and flip it,because it's your baggage.
That's your reality saying toyou.
You might want to look at thisone.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, well, I feel prettycomplete.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good place to cut her
off man.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Listen, we have multiple things going on in our
life and in our business here,and one of the things is we have
a store coming out for merch.
It's going to have somemerchandise in it that's related
to the podcast and it's alsogoing to have some merchandise
(37:30):
related to Jenny's Oracle carddeck called the salty tarot,
yeah it is the shit your spiritguides wanted to tell you.
Yeah, or meant it's meant tosay is what it says, and we're
working on some, some exclusivedeals and some other things
going on outside.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Those are really fun to do.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, it's going to be.
It's going to be a fun.
And don't forget to check outour website,
wwwthemerchcentersorg.
That's m-e-r-c-c-e-n-t-e-r-sand put the d in front of it.
And our youtube channel for thespiritual grind is at the
spiritual grind now?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
um, yeah, because we're going to start doing video
.
Yeah, today's the practice run,so we can kind of see what our
equipment's doing.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
This is why I'm kind of making this a little shorter,
so I have a whole lot less towork with.
Yeah, but what?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So we can get ready to do.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
We got our kudos.
We got our kudos fromBuzzsprout.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, and we put out our 75th episode.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
And now we're going video Fun, fun, fun.
Put out our 75th episode, rightand uh, now we're going video
fun, fun.
Yeah, it's going to be a goodthing.
Yeah, and we're averaging quitea few downloads.
It's growing.
Y'all keep sharing it.
Share it with your friends, um,put it out there for us right
exactly um, anyway, I feelcomplete, do you feel complete?
Yeah, I'm good hey guys, don'tforget to like, follow, follow
and share and ring that bell.
(38:51):
Y'all have an awesome day.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Love ya Take care.
Thank you.
Good morning everyone.
Welcome back to the SpiritualGrind and we are in studio today
the first time doing video.
We are here to be setting upour camera waving at the camera.
Good morning, drny in the house.
Hey, we uh got a correction.
We now have.
(00:53):
Our guest speaker.
Today is going to be on on the18th.
He verified this morning, soit's not going to be on this
podcast, it will be on the nextone.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And it's Philip.
His name is Philip and he ownsa red light sauna company.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
And if you'll look at our last podcast, all his
information is on thedescription of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Right, right, right yeah.
Infrared.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's a red light sauna of some sort.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Are you sure it's red light, or is it infrared?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I don't know.
I'll let him tell me.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We have cat-tastrophe going on.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, we really do.
Our cats are at each otherright now.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We have one hiding over here.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, I see her.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And we have one stalking over here stalking over
here.
So they want to wait until weget on air to act a fool.
Play their shenanigans Usuallyduring the day.
They already by this time havegone off to their napping hidey
(02:05):
holes and we can actually getstuff done.
It's like having children.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Really, because they're for some reason want to
fight every day.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't understand why they do Like brothers and
sisters and sisters and sistersand brothers and brothers One
older sister, one younger sister.
Yeah, they're not biological,but they're adopted sisters.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And they're both being stupid.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
We're doing the high-value treat modification
behavioral system.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, it seems to be working a little bit.
It has calmed down.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I would agree it is, but it's taking a minute.
I would like to see instantchange.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
But it's taking a minute.
So I'll apologize in advance ifthe editor has to deal with
some cat fight that ends uphappening in the middle of this.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, I don't think she's going to stay right there
by our feet until we're done,but anyway, so it brings me to
my topic.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It does.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, I have a topic.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Curiously enough no.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I usually wait and let you bring the topic.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, my topic is this and it kind of co-mingles
with another topic.
Okay, and that is.
It's okay to stand up for whatyou believe in.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Ooh, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It's okay to you.
Know the old catchphrase giveme something to believe in.
Give me something to believe in.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Give me something to believe in I think that's a song
.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It is a song, and uh, you know, I heard somebody say
one time um, if you don't standup for something, you'll never
stand up at all.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh, I don't believe I've ever heard that.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And that was actually a professor one time at a
lecture that did that.
But the part of it is it's okay.
It's okay to be who you are andstand up for right and wrong in
ethics and morals and and allsorts of.
However, what are you, what areyou doing?
This cat's acting a fool and so, like what brought it up this
(04:26):
morning was our little coffeetalk session and the fact that
it is okay for us to stand upfor what we believe in and how
we've been treated in the rightthing.
It is always okay to stand upfor the right thing.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
As you can see on the video, he's steadily being
whacked in.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And being cat-whipped .
Speaker 2 (04:52):
By the tail that keeps flickering on the side of
his face.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Can you move on please?
But you know we have oursituation where we have had some
health challenges due to someexposure and setting up for
what's right.
And we've also had.
I've also had another situationthat I'm not going to disclose
yet that I am looking intowithin that.
(05:18):
That really was because I wasalways the guy in the situation
that was saying this is, hang on, give him a chance, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
And then something elsehappened and it was like you
know what I'm done.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, yeah, I mean, what can be convoluted or
tangled up in that is the wholesocietally programmed.
Turn the other cheek mentality.
Yes, I agree, turn the othercheek mentality.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Be the one who don't lower yourself to their
standards.
Be the stand-up guy like turnthe other cheek.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, you know, and that's where I'm at in all this,
do you all see?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
her.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh, you're acting a fool.
See, she's stalking yeah.
You need to stalk and get thelease to show up.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, but Cats are a different kind of beast.
They are gonna do their owndamn thing.
Seriously, you're supposed tobe a like metaphysical
resemblance of being in twodifferent worlds, and I would
expect you to be more in tunewith your spiritual self.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Go on Back up.
You're not getting on the gosomewhere else.
Go stalk somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay, cat shenanigans .
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, cease, she laid down now Good.
And so you know, going throughthe scenario we went through,
you know we have a tendency ashumans to hang on to stupid
things and do stupid thingsbecause we feel like we have
been done wrongly.
And when we evacuated ourselvesit brought a lot of fears up
for me.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Not to be confused with pooping.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yes, don't be confused with pooping.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Wow, that was I'm going to suggest.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Not doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, never do that again.
That was ugly.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But the part of it for me that brought up the fears
was that we do the right thing,and I had to reassure myself
that you never go wrong doingthe right thing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Well, and that's right, as long as the intention
behind it is equal to that.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It's pure.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, doing the right thing.
If it comes from an energyplace of, you know, revenge.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I drink Pepsi.
In case Pepsi wants to sponsorthe page.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Revenge or from an energy of you know, deep anger
or hate.
If it comes from any of thoseenergy places, when you're doing
the right thing air quote,you're doing the right thing,
air quote it's going to have adifferent turnout and it's going
to end up much differently thanif you are following the.
(08:12):
I'm truly honestly aligned withmy higher self and I'm doing
the right thing energy.
Those are two differentenergies.
I agree, and so you want to makesure you've dealt with your
emotions within it before youact.
Because, as we've talked aboutbefore, you know, the reality
(08:45):
and the universe arefrequency-based, energy-based,
and if you're putting out thatenergy, that you're only out for
revenge or you're coming fromone of those lower frequencies,
the situation will turn out muchdifferently than if you're
truly coming from a place of.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, the reality is that snappy emotional decisions
are generally bad decisions.
When you, as long as you handleyour emotions, emotions are
natural and good, but as long asyou handle them, um, that
decision becomes easier.
And as long as it's not a snapdecision, because snappy motions
cause you to make decisionsthat can be viewed as irrational
(09:23):
or not in the pure form.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Right, right and that kind of piggybacks with It'll
cause your actions to bedifferent.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, because it can marry with revenge, with
hostility.
When you do those kind ofthings and when you don't handle
your emotions like you said,you can make a snap emotional
decision because you wantrevenge.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Right and with us, our, our, our outcome will be
much different than if you'regenuinely doing it from a place
of, uh, you know, justice andtrue justice, finding the place
of the right thing.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Agreed, agreed, and so that what in the within this
topic that I think everybodyshould talk about is is
understanding that, no matterwhat you believe, no matter who
you are, as long as you're beingpure within yourself, it's okay
to stand up for what youbelieve in, right, you know,
like we see it all the time, butyou want to remember that you
(10:25):
can't necessarily makeindividuals do anything.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You can just speak your piece within it.
If you're talking aboutinteracting with an individual
person, Agreed If you're talkingabout interacting with a
company construct or a corporateconstruct, then there are
judicial things in place thatcan help you navigate that.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But you can't make another human being really do
anything.
So make sure your expectation,if you're doing a one-on-one
doing the right thing, you'renot doing it from a place of if
I do this, it will cause theindividual to behave differently
situation because they stillare, uh, in charge of their own
(11:20):
reality and have the free willto do pretty much whatever they
want to do within it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, you know, and it is actually.
This is actually a mainstreamtopic right now, going on about
what the pronouns and how peoplewant to be identified, and you
know who cares.
You know who cares.
They believe in what?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
they believe.
How does that tie in?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Because they're standing up for what they
believe in.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh, I gotcha.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You know, and so it's a mainstream topic going on is
we have, you know, theconversation is they believe
what they believe and that'sokay, and you can't change
anybody else's mind, and nor canthe people that don't believe
in it be able to change theirmind, and that's the human
experience, right?
You know?
The political parties, thereligions to everything.
It's who cares, who cares.
Let people live their life.
You can choose to be a part ofit or not right but if they're
(12:16):
standing up for what theybelieve in, that should tell you
something about their moralsand their ethics is if they
truly believe in something andthey're standing up for it, that
tells you something about them.
That tells you a lot.
That tells you that whether youthink it's right or wrong that
that person is doing somethingwith their life and I think it's
(12:38):
a part of the human experienceis understanding that a as long
as you're standing up for whatyou believe in in a pure way and
not out of an emotionalstandpoint or with some kind of
expectation that you're going topreach the gospel or you're
going to make sure thateverybody calls you by the right
pronoun, that's okay.
But just realize you don'tcontrol others and that's why
(13:00):
we're in this human experience,because everybody can have their
own thoughts, patterns,programs, emotions and live the
experience together.
It's a choice that we can dotogether.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, I agree, and like I often say and will
continue to say is, whoever theoffended party is, they're the
one that has the work to do,whoever, the offended party is.
They're the one that has thework to do you know so if I call
you the wrong pronoun and youget bothered by it, that's not
(13:34):
my baggage, that's yours.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Correct, you know and .
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I can bring a topic that I have personally and be
accountable for it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Totally agree.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know Is the key takeaway, no matter what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
You know, I've come across this a couple of times
and to where people they believein something purely in their
heart, they think this is theright thing, this is the right
way, and like, for example, whenI became an ordained minister
(14:11):
and I was preaching in one ofthe religious thing, one of the
religious uh um, denominations,denominations, and when I got
told to do it a certain way, Ididn't feel it was right and I
stood up for what I believed inand I so I was like, listen, so
perhaps this is not for me.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And I'm going to stand my ground here Right and
if you all choose to join me,that's okay.
But I am choosing not to takethat on Right and I had no
expectations out of it.
I walked away.
No hard feelings, no fouls, noflags went flying on the field.
None of that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Right Flags went flying on the field.
None of that Right?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and it's the same thing I did
when I was officiating footballand I left.
You know I retired from it fortwo reasons A they were changing
the rules of it and B, theywere putting parameters on the
physical expectations of peoplethat were going to.
It was going to really thin outtheir field.
(15:04):
Yeah, and I didn't believe init.
You know, I granted, I get it.
We had to do the physicalstwice a year and go through all
that stuff and the making surewe can keep up.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But I left because I was like you know, I don't want
any part of that yeah, you getto make that choice yeah and we
all, we all get to make our ownchoices, that's you all do your
thing the way you're going to doit, but I want nothing to do
with it right and whenever youyou know, in the whole construct
of how this multiverseexperience uh works as a spirit,
(15:37):
having a human experiencethat's one of the key parts of
it is um to that acknowledgementplace of A.
I get to make my choices.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And you don't necessarily have to.
If you make a choice andthere's guilt that comes behind
that, the questions need to beokay.
Who am I making this choice for?
Yes, and why am I stillcontinuing to choose to make the
(16:12):
they or them outside of mepleased and happy?
Yes, that's what I would lookat.
Yes, totally when you get to aplace where you can make those
choices, set boundaries, honorthose for yourself, without any
kind of feel bad type, title,guilt, shame, any of that.
(16:36):
That's the real growth place toget to.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Agreed, I agree totally.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And then, not expecting them to necessarily
change what they're doing.
Yeah, you can have expectationsand that would be an additional
advancement in the school, soto speak.
Yeah, like the graduation tothe next grade is, I'm to set my
boundary.
I am going to react accordingto your behavior towards that
(17:11):
boundary, but I'm not going todo it from a place of expecting
you to change what you're doing.
I am just going to tend to me.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I am going to make those choices accordingly,
and it could be that I remove myso as we video this he's
basically doing a Pepsi videocommercial.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
No, I drink Pepsi all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Really, I'm just playing around For those who are
just listening and not seeingthe video.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You know, and that you're totally right, because
what's going to happen if youput expectations on the other to
think the way you think?
You're going to be disappointedevery single time.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah.
Because none of us speak exactor think exactly alike, right,
you know, even even Dr Jenny andmyself myself, we don't have
exact um beliefs on thingsabsolutely not, as a matter of
fact, when we have discussionsand conversations and coffee
talk, there are many times whereone or both of us will say,
(18:17):
well, we're gonna agree todisagree and leave it at that
listen, lady, I ain't goingthere we try to say it in a
little bit more loving way, yeah, we do we agree to disagree,
and that's okay yes, it is okay,it is 100 okay.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Um, and that's one of the reasons why we started
doing coffee, talk is to openlyto people, because everybody
always said how do you all notfight, how do you all not fight,
how do you all not argue?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, I think back in the day, honestly,
Coffee Talk started because wewere teaching each other and
ourselves in our relationshiphow to communicate with each
other in a way that each of uscould understand, because we
(19:03):
were on a journey on trying tofigure out what makes up a
healthy relationship for us.
Yeah, uh, because we both camefrom uh unique rocky world.
Rocky world, yeah and thereality that I think we both
were at when we met years ago isthere's no book you get handed
(19:30):
Like you don't get handed theplaybook on how to do a
relationship.
You kind of have to figure itout as you go along, and it's
kind of like the spiritualawakening process you figure out
what works for you, yeah, andyou do that.
There's no black and white, doit this way, do it that way,
(19:53):
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'm sitting here holding my beautiful quartz
crystal sphere.
That's one of the things I doto keep my energy frequency
elevated on some days so thatwhen I channel information for
(20:15):
everybody in the collective andus, that I am at that highest
frequency so that whateverentity can come through has the
ability to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I know you hold crystals.
I drink Pepsi.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
That's one of the techniques that I use, but that
doesn't mean that that techniqueworks for every single person
on the planet, and so, as we,you know, guide and and teach
along the way.
This would be one of the tricks.
I say hey, you know what?
Test it out, see what it doesfor you.
If it works, great, if itdoesn't, toss it in the trash
(20:55):
and move on yeah and so I thinkour coffee talk was kind of that
, yes, figuring out, uh fully.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Each other's languages.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, how does this person understand me?
How do I need to communicate sothat this person clearly
understands me?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And we were both very staunch on standing up for our
own self.
Yeah, yeah, and that's okay todo.
Yeah, I think that was one ofthe things that really attracted
me more was hey, you know, thislady laid it all out here and
she's standing up for who she is, and you know what.
I think I'm going to accept itjust because I never had anybody
do that before.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, it was not a get a flimsy stick and draw a
halfway invisible line in thesand.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I freaking dug a trench and we both did.
We both dumped everything yeah,like listen, this is what
you're getting yourself intohere's all the baggage I'm still
carrying, that I am stillworking with.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Here's the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful
like here it is yeah, it was apretty funny knock down, drag
out fight that went on.
Wait, I mean this went off likefour or five hours.
We just both started dumpingeverything.
You don't want to be with mebecause this right.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It was almost like we were trying to run the other
person off, because I think wewere.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, I think so.
That's the truth.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I think that's exactly what we were doing I
think we're both at a placewhere we weren't out tooling
around the planet looking for arelationship.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
We were perfectly comfortable being ourselves
within our bubble yeah, anddoing it by ourselves.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I was in the process of refinding myself completely,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, and so, therefore, it gave us a
different perspective.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, and so, therefore, it gave us a
different perspective.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Like you know, sometimes you go into a
relationship and yourdesperation mode kind of kicks
in and so you put on that prettyfancy face kind of persona and
you hide some of that crap andthat doesn't usually work out
well, right.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I agree, some of that crap, and that doesn't usually
work out well.
Right, I agree, but you want itso bad.
You want to behave, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, and that's where everybody puts on their
best face when they'rerelationship.
And, boy, we did not Put onyour best behavior, put on your
best face.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
We took our baggage and just poured it on the floor
in front of each other.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Listen this is what I look like when I get up in the
morning my shit stinks, mybreath is atrocious till I brush
my teeth.
I got baggage in all thesedifferent directions and I think
that it's.
I think it's a good thing to do, because then it gives the
other person full knowledge fulldisclosure declassified and
(23:43):
they get to make an informeddecision on okay, are these
things that I can navigate withthis person and do I want to?
And that's what I think is thebeginning of a healthy
relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
And I think the bigger part of that is neither
one of us expected the other oneto say okay.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, I think the bigger part of it was For me was
full disclosure and being okayIf you said eh.
I appreciate your fulldisclosure, but this is not
something I can or want tonavigate.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Let's be friends.
Dog Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think that was the biggest thing for me was coming
from that new place of oh mygosh, I don't want to be alone.
I want this relationship towork out.
Let me keep all my skeletons inmy closet.
Let me divulge them at just theright time when I've already
got him in my clasp Right.
(24:47):
So this relationship for me.
I had evolved and really donesome self-study and part of
meeting you and came to therealization that you know what I
?
I'm okay, yeah, whether thisone works or whether it doesn't,
and so I am gonna be completely, I will survive, right.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh sorry.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I am going to be completely open and completely
upfront and it felt so muchbetter to be that.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, you don't have to go through life hiding
anything.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's right.
It felt really good not to haveto fake in and then do that
dumbass dance.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
They just really appreciated that and it was for
me.
I like I said the um being okayeither way.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Right Yep.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
If you chose to join me on the journey, fine.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Listen, I got 19 kids , 27 X's, and I owe $100,000.
Oh, did I mention I take 14mental medications?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And if no, that's true, by the way.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I got 27 baby mamas and if you, chose not to.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I was okay as well.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And that was a new place for me.
It was me too.
I had not come into a possiblerelationship from that, you know
, I'd actually made thatdecision in my little
self-discovery period where Iwas single and going through all
that stuff and I was like, well, I was going through a divorce
but I came to that decision.
Like you know what, I am notaccepting anybody fake anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I am not going to be faking anybody anymore, and I
deserve better than that.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
And it's very freeing .
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yes, I did.
You know I did, I did.
I had to be myself.
It was time for me to be myselfand not what everybody expected
me to be.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because that's what I had done over the course of the
years.
I wasn't standing up for me.
I wasn't standing up for what Ibelieved in.
Yeah, I wasn't standing up forwhat I felt was wrong and right.
Right I was.
I was doing what I thoughteverybody else expected me to do
exactly and, and you know whatit fulfilled for me do tell
(27:01):
absolutely nothing doing whateverybody else expected me to do
right exactly now what did whenI come into the place to where
I changed it and I was like youknow what?
I'm going to stand up for myself.
I'm going to be me.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'm going to be me.
If you don't like it, turn yourdamn head.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Or go away.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Or go away.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And being okay with that.
That's very freeing.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
It has been a phenomenal relationship.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It has.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So far and so far, and it's been awesome.
You know we've been married nowfor a few years and together a
lot more, and I wouldn't changeanything.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I mean are we perfect ?
Do we, do we have the perfectcohesive relationship?
I would say yes.
Do we have human moments in it?
100%.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Absolutely.
We have what's perfect for us.
That's correct and and uh.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I mean, I learned a long time ago what you say, I do
, and what you, what you teach,I have to listen to and I just
shut up.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I am the doctor, by the way.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
She always says I did , I'm designer, you're
construction, so basically thattells you what, that, what she
says goes and it's my, my job toput it in place.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Your job, to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, and I'm okay with that.
It works out well because Ienjoy building things.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So right like last night for supper, I was hungry
for tomato soup and grilledcheese.
Yeah, and he keep asking meokay, well, do you want this, do
you want that?
How many slices of cheese youwant?
I'm like you're the previousyou're the chef yeah, can you
just effing figure it out.
(28:38):
I was like yes, ma'am, I'msorry like why are you asking me
all these questions?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
well, because I've made grilled cheese before and
you said it was too cheesy.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That's why just make it, for goodness sake no, in all
reality, it's uh.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
We boasted it for ourselves and that's what I'm
we're teaching everybody in thispodcast today.
It is 100 okay to stand up forwhat you believe in, develop
your beliefs, stand up for themand continue to uh cultivate
them cultivate them and honorthem and let them grow.
And and you know, and what Iwould say on the flip side of
that is, if something, somebody,brings something up to you that
(29:14):
you don't resonate with you,and it is okay for you to say,
listen, I'm a cup of tea today,but I would still stop and look
at it and see what the world istrying to bring to your
attention.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, because there's always opportunities for
mirroring.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And what that by definition.
What that means is that yourreality is always mirroring
something back to you.
Yes, that you can learn from.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Agreed.
And don't you talk aboutmirroring in your book?
I do.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, scripted from within.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It's out on Amazon.
You can get it at Amazon or KDP.
It's soon to be on Audible.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Scripted from within.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It's a nice quick little read.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
You can see it's not too beefy.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
No, not too beefy, just a good little handbook.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Get through it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I would suggest reading one chapter at a time,
making your notes that'sincluded in there, and then read
the second chapter and then goback and review first and second
.
You know this is this is one ofthose books that you need to
read one, two.
Go back and read one, two, thenthree, then read two, three,
four and kind of go back throughand skip through it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And because it uh I would agree, it's, definitely
it's a study guide really studycat.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, it's uh interactive and I expected it to
be more than that because, man,the manuscript was much longer,
but when you put it in print,it shrinks it down yeah it was
crazy.
It's like 70, what?
Uh?
No, 105 pages, I think I don'tknow, because the page numbers
got taken off somewhere.
I don't know actually how manypages it is, but you can get get
it on KDP for $15.89.
(30:52):
Oh, I'm sorry, on Amazon for$15.89 or on KDP for $9.99.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, well, the page numbers are on the manuscript
but somehow, when we ordered itand got it in print, there was
no page numbers in it.
They are written in invisible.
No, I did screw up when I causeI edited it Invisible ink, I
think.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I, I, you know I may have, I may have colored the
page numbers wrong or somethingand they just didn't come out,
but cause I did the editing onit, it was me and and I did not
put page numbers on the index,right, but I did put them in the
book and that's okay.
I screwed it up, that's allright.
We'll learn.
(31:33):
We'll do it better next time.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, and that's the thing is you know that was one
of the coffee talks we hadyesterday.
Yeah, and that's a nicereminder is taking action
doesn't mean doing it perfectly.
It means put yourself out there, take action and remember that
(31:58):
nothing is not fixable.
You can't fuck it up.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Anyway.
So the topic of this podcastand she was just talking about
that is that you kind of marrytogether and just know that it
is okay Any way, shape or formas long as you you stand up and
you believe in things and youwant to defend those things and
(32:23):
you want to be a part of thosethings and you want to spread it
across the world, that is okayto do.
Just don't have theexpectations of others, because
those expectations are going todisappoint you every single time
.
You may find some of yourpeople that agree with you and
they're going to jump in thereand they're going to do it with
you, but you're going to findpeople that don't, and so you
have to free the expectationsand the emotions behind it,
(32:45):
cause when you startinterjecting emotions into
expectations, you end up withbad, bad things happening.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I wouldn't say bad, bad, they're just going to be a
reality that you wouldn't havenecessarily otherwise wanted to
be a part of.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean I think bad, bad, bad is a little bit of an
over embellishment.
I mean, unless of course you goout and murder somebody, then
that's not going to be verypleasant at all.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Right, but hey, you know what I like.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Oh, dear God, please, where are you taking us with?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
that I've been watching that show Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh yeah, I've been enjoying that show.
Wednesday Addams.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, the Wednesday Addams show they made a series
out of it.
Yeah.
Season one season two yeah,season two just came out.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's a seasonal little thing.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
It is kind of a fun little.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I sit here all morning watching it and didn't
get anything accomplished.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
The premise behind it is she's kind of like an
investigator.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, she would be a magical investigator, murder
mystery crossover into themagical world.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I mean Hark, the Raven, nevermore, and they have
magical powers.
There's got to be something tothat, because the school she
goes to is called Nevermore, thedance they went to is called
the Raven, and then these ravenskeep showing up in the thing.
There's got to be something tothat with the Edgar Allen Poe
thing.
Of course, coming up somewherein there.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, if I remember correctly, she says somewhere
along the way, even in the movie, or somewhere something about
liking.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Edgar Allen Poe and his works or something.
Nice.
It was a good book actually.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Edgar Allan Poe or the Adams family.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
No, edgar Allan Poe's work.
Oh yeah, he had.
He had a few books, but I'mtrying to remember the name of
that book, now that you I saidthat because it was a poem, that
book, now that I said thatBecause it was a poem Hark the
Raven, nevermore, hark the Raven, nevermore, what was that that
came out?
I'll have to look it up.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Anyway, well, have the listeners look it up and
send us a message.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, send us a message on that, because I can't
remember the name of that.
It was a poem.
I believe actually that hewrote.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah.
So just to recap, it isperfectly okay to put your
boundaries in place and honorthose boundaries and not let
people cross those boundaries.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
That is correct.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
It is okay to stand up for what you believe in, even
if your beliefs change the verynext day.
That is okay too.
Some people feel like they haveto carry a belief with them
until the end of time.
Yes, and you don't.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
That's right, because things change, humans change,
situations change.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
You experience a situation under the premise of
this belief, and when you'redone with that experience and
you're ready to move on to thenext mission or experience,
those beliefs may not benefityou.
And so you have to upgrade yourbelief system in order to have
(36:17):
a really authentic experiencewith the next part of the
journey.
So it's okay for your beliefsto change from day to day,
moment to moment minute tominute, but the key is honoring
those.
Don't let people, situations orevents cause you to veer from
that.
If that's what you're doing atthe moment, stand up for it and
(36:39):
it's perfectly okay, but do itfrom the right intention that's
correct?
Well, I think you're the onethat gets offended it's on you
situation.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
That's your baggage pick up that coin and flip it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
offended in a situation, that's your baggage
Pick up that coin and flip it,because it's your baggage.
That's your reality saying toyou.
You might want to look at thisone.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, well, I feel prettycomplete.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good place to cut her
off man.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Listen, we have multiple things going on in our
life and in our business here,and one of the things is we have
a store coming out for merch.
It's going to have somemerchandise in it that's related
to the podcast and it's alsogoing to have some merchandise
(37:30):
related to Jenny's Oracle carddeck called the salty tarot,
yeah it is the shit your spiritguides wanted to tell you.
Yeah, or meant it's meant tosay is what it says, and we're
working on some, some exclusivedeals and some other things
going on outside.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Those are really fun to do.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, it's going to be.
It's going to be a fun.
And don't forget to check outour website,
wwwthemerchcentersorg.
That's m-e-r-c-c-e-n-t-e-r-sand put the d in front of it.
And our youtube channel for thespiritual grind is at the
spiritual grind now?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
um, yeah, because we're going to start doing video
.
Yeah, today's the practice run,so we can kind of see what our
equipment's doing.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
This is why I'm kind of making this a little shorter,
so I have a whole lot less towork with.
Yeah, but what?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So we can get ready to do.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
We got our kudos.
We got our kudos fromBuzzsprout.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, and we put out our 75th episode.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
And now we're going video Fun, fun, fun.
Put out our 75th episode, rightand uh, now we're going video
fun, fun.
Yeah, it's going to be a goodthing.
Yeah, and we're averaging quitea few downloads.
It's growing.
Y'all keep sharing it.
Share it with your friends, um,put it out there for us right
exactly um, anyway, I feelcomplete, do you feel complete?
Yeah, I'm good hey guys, don'tforget to like, follow, follow
and share and ring that bell.
(38:51):
Y'all have an awesome day.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Love ya Take care.
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