September 4, 2025 • 48 mins
What happens when we die? It's humanity's oldest question, and one that continues to challenge our understanding of consciousness and reality.
The scientific community often dismisses near-death experiences as mere chemical reactions in a dying brain—endorphins creating comforting hallucinations as consciousness fades. But this explanation falls woefully short when confronted with the evidence. How do we explain people accurately recalling conversations and events that occurred while they were clinically dead, with no heartbeat or brain activity?
In this deeply personal episode, our hosts share their own encounters with the threshold between life and death. One host recounts three separate near-death experiences, each one serving as "training wheels" for the most profound encounter—a hot tub accident that left them clinically dead for over three minutes. The description of being engulfed in warm, loving light and communicating telepathically with entities that felt like family challenges our materialistic understanding of existence.
"The experience is absolutely indescribable," they explain. "Until you go to that place and can experience it, there are no human words to really describe the feeling of just the unconditional, warm, welcoming love, of just being in the presence of that natural state of being."
What's particularly striking is how consistent these accounts are across cultural and religious boundaries. The warm light, the profound peace, the sense of "coming home"—these elements appear again and again in NDE accounts worldwide. This universality suggests something fundamental about what awaits us beyond physical life.
Whether you approach this topic from a scientific or spiritual perspective, near-death experiences invite us to contemplate the nature of consciousness itself. Does our awareness truly end when our bodies die, or does it transition to another state of being? The growing body of evidence suggests the latter may be more likely than we once thought.
Have you experienced an NDE or know someone who has? Share your story in the comments—we'd love to hear from you and possibly feature compelling accounts on future episodes.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good morning everybody.
Welcome back to the podcast,Welcome to the Spiritual Grind
again.
Good morning.
I just want to take a minuteand thank all of our listeners,
Absolutely.
I am glad you all download usand put up with our shenanigans.
We enjoy doing it and we'reglad that you are here to
support us.
(00:50):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, it's a fun little hoedown.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We're doing what with hoes?
You didn't invite me.
Oh, you mean gardening?
Okay, we're gardening with hoes.
Well, guys, we've been uhdealing and talking about uh,
our relationship podcasts, andwe were talking about spiritual
(01:17):
sex and we were talking about uh, we had a couple episodes on
episodes on sex, and then we'realso talking about appreciation.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
When you say spiritual sex, you mean sex, but
looking at it from a spiritualstandpoint, spiritual standpoint
, correct?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, that's what it says in the description too.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I didn't know if you were meaning like tantra or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm not smart, I can't even spell tantra.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, you know, there may be some listeners that
haven't been following us, thatare just tuning in.
Yeah, and just for claritypurposes.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I just wanted to clarify.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Nice.
Appreciate the clarity.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
For others.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We like clarity.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
We like it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So do you have a topic today?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
No, my article that I wrote this morning was about
near-death experiences.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh, that would be a great topic Actually, because I
had a topic, but that's not likea much more fun topic.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh no, I printed the article off.
It was a quick little 1,200words.
Oh, was a quick little 1,200words.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh, just a quick little, 1,200 words Blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, what came up for me?
You know, we like to watch thatancient alien little episode
thing.
What do you call it?
Season Series?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Ancient Aliens.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, and they were talking about in the particular
episode we watched, which Ithink we've seen it before.
I think we've seen them all.
They were talking aboutnear-death experiences and how
the scientific world is stilltrying to put it off as some
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sort of endorphin release thatcauses the mind to do these
weird, peculiar things.
To try and explain somepeople's experiences with it.
Of you know, because there'speople out there that have had
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experiences where they canactually see events going on in
an operating room or in an ERand they're they describe it as
they're hovering over their ownbody watching this technique
being done or this or theconversations and they can.
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When they come back into theirphysical body, they can actually
quote people word for word andit's turning science on its head
, basically because they don'tunderstand how can that happen.
But they're doing what sciencedoes, which is to kind of push
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it to the side and say it's somesort of chemical release inside
the body and the brain thatmakes absolutely no logical
inside the body and the brainthat causes absolutely no
logical sense the way thatthey're trying to dismiss it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That sounds like a bunch of hooey to me.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
A bunch of hogwash A bunch of hooey gooey yuckiness.
And I, having experienced itnot once, not twice, but three
times, have a differentperspective on my interpretation
of it for myself, and it's justfor myself, on what it is and
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why it happens.
Of course the metaphysiciansand the metaphysical world see
it much differently.
Of course the metaphysiciansand the metaphysical world see
it much differently and you know, oftentimes we try and provide
information for the scientificworld to help them.
I don't know, have some morestuff to explore?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Get out of their science book and actually figure
something out.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I mean because here's my thought on that, or just
look at it from a differentstandpoint.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The scientists and doctors like to teach us that
everybody's a little bitdifferent.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But yet why is it that everybody that has
near-death experiences almostverbatim describe it exactly the
same?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I mean, I can't even go that far because there's some
people that have theirnear-death experiences in the
ease as coined the phrase in theease, in the ease are
definitely much different.
There are some out there thathave, uh, described very shadow
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like hell, hell-like experiencesthat kind of scared the shit
out of them.
You know so there's varyingdegrees of experiences that are
taking place out there, butyou're right, there is a very
large percentage that describegoing into the warm light and
some aspects of it that are verysimilar.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and what I find interesting, because I actually
studied these at one time,because there was one time when
I was younger and I had been ona drunken stupor bender- why am
I not surprised?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
had probably partied for four or five days, and I sat
in my living room floor and Iwondered how, when I woke up the
next morning, did I have acomplete conversation with my
dead grandfather, and so I oftenwondered if that was an NDE for
me at that time, because, whoknows, that was pretty crazy
(07:05):
back then for me.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean, if you read my article at any point in
your life, you'll see how Iexplain that type of experience
as well, Because we all comewith the abilities to do all of
these different things.
It's just what limits us frombeing able to do any one of
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these special gifts is ourbeliefs or fears or perception
around them, and our abilities,our perceived ability to do it.
That's what blocks us frombeing able to embrace any aspect
of it, whether it's completelyleave my body and then come back
(07:50):
, or whether it's talking todead people when I'm in a what
would you call it a coke comayeah, a coke coma A coke coma A
coke coma.
Whatever A party near deathparty experience.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, you know, I had a second one too, when I was 14
.
My mom had sent me home withone of her employees and her
boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And they'd take me home, which was like 24 miles
down the road, down the highway,down highway 20 in oklahoma,
and they got to argue and goingdown the highway and there was
three of us sitting in the frontof this chevy love pickup which
, if you don't know what a chevythe pickup is, they're those
itty bitty old pickups, yeah,the little bitty ones, without
an extended cab probably.
Yeah, no, it was a single cab,yeah and I was pretty much
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hanging out the passenger windowbecause at this time I had went
through my growth spurt and Iwas pretty tall and pretty lanky
and I was hanging out thepassenger window and they got to
arguing going down the road andgot in this fight and she had
to be doing 80 or 90.
And she crossed over into theother lane and we had a one-ton
Ford Dually head-on.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, it was crazy.
I was ejected from the vehiclethrough the windshield and I
didn't don't remember anythingabout it other than my face
going through the windshieldyeah well, and let me rephrase
that I didn't remember anythingabout it and but I started
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having these visions, I guess ofit yeah in this cloudy area.
Yeah, of me going through thewindshield and looking while I'm
watching myself going throughthe windshield and looking back
and seeing kim hit thewindshield.
That show that was a.
The person was driving wasnamed kim and she hit the
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windshield and cut her throat.
I mean she almost died rightthere on the spot and she broke
both her legs.
It was a crazy thing.
And then her boyfriend, paul,who was in the mental he wasn't
driving because he had beendrinking.
That's what they were fightingabout.
It was a five-speed and I seenhim disappear under the dash as
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I'm watching it in the video.
And still to this day nobodyknows where that gear shift went
.
By the way, oh, no, bendover.
I don't know.
We know it disappeared, but thetruck was annihilated,
literally.
The bed of the truck was foldedover on top of the cab where it
had, just, like you know,accordioned down, and I got
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lucky with it.
But I walked Somehow.
I got up and walked in becauseit happened right in front of a
convenience store.
When she crossed over in thatlane, somebody was pulling out
of the convenience store in thisbig one-ton Ford Dually and
neither one of them were hurt.
It broke his left ankle.
That was it, because he had abig.
It was a ranching area.
But what a point I was gettingto is is I got up and walked
(10:53):
into the convenience store andasked them to call 9-1-1 and the
lady said oh, you're okay, son,go ahead and sit down because I
was bleeding profusely from myforehead yeah and, uh, I
remember sitting down andcrunching.
When I sat down and I don'tremember because my back was so
jacked in my neck at the time,but I just remember having this
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crunching sound and I had brokemy collarbone but I didn't break
it.
It wasn't a full sever, but itwas crunching when I was moving
my neck.
It was moving around.
I could hear, I could.
I think I could hear thegrinding in my ears, but nobody
else could.
I don't know, but I had visionsof this happening and I often
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wondered if it didn't kill meand I just happened to refuse to
leave at that time and cameback.
I got up, literally off thehighway.
I remember I watched myself, Ibrushed off my clothes and I'm
looking and I'm bleedingeverywhere.
There's blood everywhere and Ihave no idea where it's coming
from because I couldn't feel myhead.
And then next thing, I know I'min the hospital and so I don't
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know if that vision's real, ifthat really happened.
To this day I have no idea ifthat really happened.
All I know is I told them tocall 911, because that was right
after 911 started and the ladyknew my parents.
I said you can call my mom tooif you would.
And they life flighted Kim andPaul out and I don't know what
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happened to me.
I don't know how I ended up inthe hospital.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
All I know is I ended up in the hospital and I woke
up with my family and everybodystanding around me holding my
hand I see, it was crazy yeah, Imean, you know you'll have to
check in with it for yourselfand because it's very much in a
fog, like people describe it inmy vision, right and so.
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Yeah, you know, that's thething.
Like with any of the air quotegifts, special gifts we tend to
dismiss them as something morehumanly logical, because we've
taught ourselves to do so basedon the acceptability of the
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collective or the society Right,and in doing that you actually
can kind of block yourself fromknowing what actually happened.
Knowing what actually happened,unless it's absolutely necessary
that you know the finitedetails for expansion of your
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journey or for some part of themission that you came here for,
and it's vital that you know thedetails and know for sure,
beyond a shadow of a doubt, thatit happened.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I know that that situation changed the
perspective on how I changed myperspective on life.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
How so.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, because then I was more.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Because when it happened, you were about how old
.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I was 14.
I had just turned 14.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
And it was in the summer.
It was probably the.
Actually it was July 4thweekend.
I know it was July 4th weekendin the summer.
It was probably the.
Actually it was july 4thweekend.
Yeah, I know what, it was july4th weekend in the summer after
I turned 14.
Yeah and uh, it changed myperspective because it made me
realize how, how tough the humanbody is and how invincible we
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really can be if we want to be.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And it was.
I guess it just made me feellike I could take on the world.
I guess.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Even more than you already thought you could.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean, you know, what's funny about it is
that gas station is the gasstation that I actually worked
at on Saturdays, loading feet.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But in my vision I walk in and walk in and hey,
lady, but I know all of them,yeah, and so it's kind of weird
situation that you referred toher as lady yeah, instead of
calling her by her name.
Right, which, uh, which it was,dottie was her name.
Instead of saying hey, dottie,because I used to go in there
all the time.
That was the store my mom usedto send me to to buy cigarettes
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on my bicycle when I was eightyeah and I would.
I would go in there, I would getit when I would get sandwiches
and stuff.
Now that was earning money andstarted hauling hay and her
husband is the one I hauled allthe hay for.
Yeah, and it was uh, but I, soI knew them personally, but in
my remembering of it I didn'tcall her by her name.
I, I was like hey lady, can youcall 911?
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And she didn't call me by myname, and so that's why I
wondered if it was just a visionof what had happened.
And that really didn't happen.
You know what I mean.
It was like one of those NDEsthat you just don't really know
if it's factual or not, becauseI don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Right.
So what could have possiblyhappened is it's rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You want a sandwich?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I went to the higher heavens and they said, no,
you're not welcome yet, you gotto go back.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No, what could have happened is that you definitely
had an NDE, definitely had anNDE.
You're laying in the road andinstead of you presenting
yourself as you creating such analarm or, oh my god, panic
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state to Dottie you may have ina have in a spiritual version of
you went.
I cloaked yourself in adifferent suit, so to speak, so
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that she didn't see you aslittle jimmy yeah, she saw you
as somebody else so that shecould keep her tactful mind
about her and call 911 and gethelp, Whereas if you had gone in
as the little Jimmy she knewbleeding near death, it may have
put her in a state of utterpanic where she wasn't able to
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do anything for you to helpbecause her system completely
shut down.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You know, later on I asked her if she remembered me
coming in and telling her tocall 911.
Do anything for you to helpbecause her system completely
shut down.
You know, later on I asked herif she remembered me coming in
and telling her to call 911.
No-transcript, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I don't really know, but that was later on, right,
and so I mean, like I said thatcould have been, what happened
is, is you presented as a, as an, as an individual that she
didn't recognize, to save thepanic, so that she could keep
herself together and not havethat emotional attachment to
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somebody she recognized in thatstate and be able to call 911
and get help there as quick aspossible?
It's a spiritual orchestration.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, it could be, and you know, I don't know.
To this day I still don't knowwhat transpired.
I do remember Kim was jacked upman, she had a brain bleed, she
had.
They had to do surgery, open,open cranial surgery on her.
And paul I don't know, that guywas just too drunk.
I think he was just too drunkto get hurt.
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All he did was have a cut, twocuts on his wrist from hitting
the windshield or something, andwe still don't know where the
gear shift went.
But that whole experience, wewere lucky because the fire
department was like right there,a quarter mile from the fire
department, and so they werethere pretty quickly.
But you know, it was a luckysituation and I often wondered
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if that wasn't a near-deathexperience for me.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Possibly you just have to check in and see how it
feels for you.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And sometimes you'll get the information and
sometimes you won't.
If it's a necessary piece ofinformation that you need to
continue with your mission, thenyou'll be given the information
.
Yeah, just a matter of askingfor clarity and then allowing
the information to come in.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But that's with any topic, really yeah, a lot of
people don't believe in them.
I've had this conversation with.
Well, of course I, but that'swith any topic.
Really, yeah, a lot of peopledon't believe in them.
I've had this conversation withwell, of course I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That's why the different perspectives are out.
There is that they're.
They're still toggling aroundwith what happens to the human
consciousness, or the essence,right?
Does it live only in the brainor does it go somewhere else?
And a lot of people cannot wraptheir mind around or
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conceptualize the fact thatthere's this consciousness that
can live out there in thequantum etheric world without it
being attached to a physicalthing.
They just can't wrap their mindaround it, especially highly
scientific brains.
They tend to have trouble withthat kinds of concepts.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, I know which is what the metaphysicians do.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
They challenge the physicians.
There's a place for us all.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh, I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Totally agree.
You know, I had a conversationone time with one of our former
customers at our previousemployment.
He had had a brain bleed.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And when I told him I know you're going to the
hospital because he wasn'tmaking any sense, he was laying
on the floor not making anysense, right?
And then after they found outand they fixed it and he came
back and he told me he's like Iwas sitting there, uh, dancing
with my wife oh yeah and so Iwas like huh, what do you mean
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dancing?
he's like I don't know.
I was when, when I came, when Icame to and realized I was in
the back of the ambulance, I wasdancing with my wife and she
had died.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm a part of that, yeah she had died what?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
a year or so before that.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And it was a pretty.
I was like so was that anear-death experience?
And of course he's.
You know he's staunch.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
He was like oh no, I don't think so, if God wanted to
take me.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So by definition, near-death experience is defined
as having no viable signs oflife in the physical body,
meaning no heartbeat, norespirations and usually no
brain activity.
Yeah, sometimes they'll let thebrain activity part of it slide
, because the brain activity cansometimes still exist even
after the heart and therespirations have stopped.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, they just proved that scientifically.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
We just seen that other people are explaining.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, is there a time limit on it?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Because it could have happened is so that humans
don't have to experience thefull embodiment of the physical
body, hurting or the fear oflosing consciousness, or pain or
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some of that there is a pointin time where your higher self
will remove you from thephysical body so that you don't
have to feel those things orhave fear.
But your heart still beats andyour lungs still breathe
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subconscious compartmentalize Iguess maybe well something like
that whatever, I don't even knowwhat that means.
What, what does that mean?
I don't know, I'm just makingsome fancy word up, make me
sound, and so that's muchdifferent than a true near-death
experience where you have noactual vital signs, so to speak,
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there is no heart rhythm on themonitor, there is no
respirations taking place Likeyou literally have, like you see
on TV this line that goesacross the screen.
So what he was having was he wastaken to a temporary holding
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place with his consciousness,just so that he didn't and was
waiting and holding so that hedidn't have to necessarily lay
there and know that things arenot right.
This is not right.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
let me get anxious, let me get scared oh, what
you're saying yeah, I get it umbecause you're saying that his
body created that tocompartmentalize the fear of
dying?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
created the vision or higher self or higher self,
yeah right, took hisconsciousness to or showed him
I'm smelling what you're sippingin come and let's sit in this
healing place and here dancewith your wife while you wait,
and would you entertain herbecause I'm really trying to
take care of her.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Would you like a martini right?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
um, and so there are holding places, uh, the realm of
multidimensional, multiverse,situations, okay, which are
different than near order.
What?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
was that?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
Near death experiences.
I don't know what just happened, but that was my tongue got all
twisted up and tripped over thewords NDE.
Nde those are two separatesituations yeah so that's what
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was happening with him and therabbit hole situation in that
was by design.
You were supposed to find himand call 911 and take him
through the gateway to come back.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, he wouldn't respond to me when I found him.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And that was all structured.
He was just laying on was justa moment for him to get to go
back and see his wife yeah andhave a dancing experience.
And sometimes we have to moveaway from the physical body to
be able to do that, especiallyif we have very strong, staunch
beliefs that won't let us dothat in our dream state yeah, I
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get it, um, and so there have tobe, sometimes, situations that
remove us from the monkey mindand the belief system, so that
we can go into a much deeperkind of hypnotic brain state or
mind state, uh, to be able totake us to that realistic
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feeling place of interactingwith the non-physical.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, and I know he was his staunch religious views.
Would I have a near-deathexperience, or what?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
And he was like, oh no, if God wouldn't take me,
he'd take me now, right or what,and he was like, oh no, if god
wouldn't take me, he'd take menow, right, and those beliefs
would not have ever let him, um,have that deep kind of visceral
experience of dancing with hiswife, like he had whenever he
had this brain bleed, yeah, andso sometimes, in order to create
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that, we have to put them in.
We I'm sorry, I'm channelingyeah they're telling me that
they have to put people humansin situations where they release
their humanness completely inorder to give them the kind of
experience that they long foryou know so with him.
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He could have been very wellsitting around wishing that he
had one more opportunity to justdance with his wife, because
that was his sweet, sweet memoryyeah and he, you know, maybe
that was what he was longing for.
And in order to give him thatopportunity to experience that,
because of his very staunch andvery rigid beliefs around death
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and dying or meditation orwhatever, they couldn't raise
his frequency high enough to gethim detached enough through
dream state to be able to takehim in and really let him feel
like he was dancing with hiswife, instead of it being a
dream, yeah and so they put himin a situation where they it had
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to be a situation that he couldmake logical sense out of yeah
when he came back around to hisphysical body I get it and so
for him, the logical part ofthat was oh, I had a brain bleed
, and so I am part of thescientific world that, if it, if
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go.
So what happened is is that mymind took me to a place that was
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more pleasant while I wasinjured.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And then I came back around when I was fixed by
modern medicine.
He can digest that a lot easierthan he could where you were
trying to take him.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, so that's kind of howthat works.
So you're going to tell usabout yours?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Oh yeah, of course, sure, okay, so my journey.
It looks like this.
This is my journey.
So as a child, I can remembergoing to sleep at night and
having what some people wouldcall astral.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Projecting.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Projecting kind of like scenarios where I would lay
in bed and I could literallyfeel myself coming out of my
physical body, and there was apart of me that found it curious
.
But then there was another partof me that is scared, and so I
created a fear around it.
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It happened several times, butit scared me because as a child
I didn't really understand it,and the fear then made it stop
happening okay but at that timeit was just an introductory
level of getting me used tobeing detached from the physical
(29:35):
body.
Okay, I didn't know that at thetime.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Fair enough.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So then, for me, I had the procedure where I ended
up with a pacemaker.
Oh and um, so by accident, theyum ablated part of my heart.
(30:05):
Yeah, and weren't expecting to.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I ended up with a pacemaker.
Long story short, can you?
Imagine what the surgery waslike right when the doctor was
like, all the nurses comerunning and he's like he was
probably cussing oh, I'm sure um, my experience was not the
(30:27):
traditional.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Oh, I went into the warm light kind of thing in that
particular one, but that's notwhat it was for.
It was to.
It was training wheels for me.
I do have a vague recollectionof remembering that, of hearing
them talk, and one of thestatements that was made is oh
(30:56):
shit, she has no pulse oh shit Ido remember hearing that yeah
um, at the time that that allwent on in my life, I didn't
think much of it.
That wasn't the focus Right.
The focus was WTF?
(31:16):
I go in for a procedure.
I'm supposed to be in and outsame day.
I go home all as well.
I'm still there at seveno'clock at night when I come out
of anesthesia 14 hours laterand I have all these wires
attached to me and I'm like, whythe F?
am I still here?
And why do I look like I amhalf robot, like what is going
(31:40):
on, and my family's all gatheredaround me giving me that oh my
God, we thought you were dead,look.
And so I'm just trying tofigure out why am I not at home
and why am I still here.
Like very bewildered.
Yeah, oh yeah Not kind ofunderstanding, because the way
the procedure was explained tome is I'd go in at seven, they
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would do a little explorationand I would be out and having
lunch, quite possibly at home bynoon.
And having lunch quite possiblyat home by noon.
Yeah, and so I didn't,necessarily I didn't do the
whole.
Call your family, call yourmother, call your father, please
be here while I go in for thisprocedure Long term, like what
(32:26):
do I do with my kids long term.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So the neighbor was literally watching them until I
got home and, like I made,temporary plans for life
probably not the best idea well,I I the way they'd explain to
me and so and fortunately youcan make the little screech
noise oh
Speaker 1 (32:48):
it went in a different direction.
Um, but for me that particularepisode wasn't about the near
death for me, so I didn't giveit a lot of focus.
I kind of just was like, okay,whatever, I'm here now, let's
(33:09):
make the best of this situation.
But what it was was.
It was like that kindergartenfirst grade, first exposure to
okay, you left your body, youcame back.
It was easy, it was simple.
There was no pain.
You were able to find your bodypop back in, no big deal.
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Mama, mama, I'm coming home sothen, the second time it
happened, I had my breastslifted.
After years of breastfeeding,they got a little dreamy.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Well, I lift them all , the time.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
It is nice when you hold them, because they're heavy
.
Surgery was five or six, I don'tknow eight hours long.
I don't even know what happenedis.
I was wheeled into the recoveryroom and the anesthesiologist I
guess felt it necessary to giveme a little extra pain medicine
(34:10):
so that when I started to comefully around, I guess felt it
necessary to give me a littleextra pain medicine so that when
I started to come fully aroundI wasn't in pain.
Well, as you well know, I don'ttake a lot of medications, so I
am highly, highly receptive topain medication.
I literally take a 200milligram Advil when I'm having
pain and I cut it in fourths.
That's how receptive my body isto pain medicine.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So she gave me a large dose of it and I decided
that I was going to stopbreathing.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
When I came into the recovery room.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Just want to make sure that their code kit was all
set up.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I guess so.
Get ready, because we're goingto test your.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
We're going to test your abilities today.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
We're going to test your abilities today, and so I
decided to stop breathing.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And then Then all you hear is code blue code blue
code blue.
No Code blue code blue.
Then all you hear is code bluecode blue code blue no.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Code blue code blue Well, so the way it was
described to me, because, youhave to remember, I had this
procedure done in the hospitalwhere I work.
Oh, so you knew everybody too,and so all these people knew me,
and so they shared theaftermath of it with me.
I didn't get treated like anaverage patient outside of here
(35:36):
Like oh my God, jenny, you died.
Don't ever, effing, do that tous again, you BIDCH.
If you're going to do that, youhave to have express written
permission.
Apparently there was not anyonereally standing there, and I
(35:57):
didn't breathe long enough towhere the heart actually stopped
as well.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
For a minute, so they had nobody observing you they
didn't, I didn't do anythingabout it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm just like okay, as your shift leader next time I
come in to have a procedure Iam going to kick your ass if you
do that you better be standingby and they're like okay, well,
if you decide to stop breathingand you decide to stop heart
beating, uh, we're gonna kickyour ass right back Again.
For me, it wasn't about goinginto the light and having that
(36:34):
whole drawn out experience.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
This was still training wheels for me.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Let us show you again .
We can pop out and you can popback in very easy and find that
frequency.
So I do remember hearing themconversate over my body.
I remember seeing differentindividuals, like I'm at the
(37:04):
foot of the bed outside of mybody and I see the different
nurses and the anesthesiologist.
They brought the crash cartover and then that's all of my
remembrance of it.
But again, it later on wasgiven to me in the complete
(37:29):
download of the purpose of it,was given to me in the complete
download of the purpose of it,which was it wasn't meant for me
to have this full-on exitexperience.
It was just training wheels towork me through the fear that
had been created as a child.
Piece by piece, layer by layer.
Then we fast forward to mythird experience which was the
(37:58):
big kahuna.
I call it the big kahuna.
Yeah, that you were involved in.
Yeah, yeah that was not fun,and my perception of the
experience and your perceptionof the experience were two
entirely different experiences.
Yes, I did not enjoy this atall Right, so we had been in the
(38:20):
hot tub.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
No, first we had been out drinking at the bar all
night and we were pretty lityeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So we had been drinking.
We decided to get in the hottub.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And smoke a left-handed cigarette.
We decided to get in the hottub and smoke a left-handed
cigarette.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We decided to get out .
You were like, oh, I'm ready toget out, I think right, yes,
and you asked me yeah, I saidare you ready to get out?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I was getting hot.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, and I said, yeah, I'm ready to get out.
And that's literally the lastthing I remember.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, I stood up and I got out of the hot tub.
I turned around to hand her hertowel and she's in the water.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm like what the Like?
Face down, Face down in thewater.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, you were like under the water.
I was like, and so I was likewhat are you doing?
And you didn't say anything.
It didn't even move, your eyesweren't even open, actually.
But when I realized, your eyesweren't open because it was dark
.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah.
And so I was like yeah, becausethis was like at what?
Like 1 or 2 o'clock in themorning.
Yeah, it was probably 2 o'clockin the morning.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And we were both butt naked.
Right and keep in mind we're inmy parents' hot tub at my
parents' house, you don't get inthe hot tub.
I turn back around and she's inthe water underneath the water
and all I see is the bloop,bloop of the air pop up, I think
because I had turned the hottub off.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Right, so the water was still.
Is what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, the water was still.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Okay.
So when you saw the bubbles, Iwas like what the fuck?
Is that what dinged you tosomething's wrong?
Yeah, and Dinged you tosomething's wrong yeah, and so I
just reached down and grabbedyou and turned you over, bring
your head out of the thing.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
And you're not breathing, your eyes are closed
and I'm like what the heck?
And so I just lift you up anddrag you out of the hot tub and
set you on the ground, buttnaked.
You have no pulse, you're notresponding and I finally was
like listen, lady, you need towake your ass up, or I'm calling
911.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Wet, slimy body that is dead weight.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I was hollering at my mom and dad.
They were all the way acrossthe other side of the house
because I didn't have no cellphone or nothing out there.
We were both naked.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
And they probably had their hearing aids out with
their headsets on.
Yep yep Watching TV.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Because there we were both naked and they probably
had their hearing aids out, withtheir headsets on.
Yep, yep, watch the tv, becausethat's how they sleep.
They sleep with their headsetson right.
And so finally, I went.
I was like I covered you upwith a towel.
I went to grab my cell phoneand I came back and I'm on, I'm
literally dialing 9-1-1.
I'm like I'm dialing 9-1-1, youbetter wake up and I get the
one dialed and you start wakingup.
And I was like, because you hadno poles, I checked for your
poles.
There was no poles, you werenot breathing and you were not
(40:59):
responding.
I even broke your leg orcracked your leg and pulling you
out of the hot tub.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
So on my side of things, here's what it looked
like.
On my side of things, I havethe bright light affair happen,
like I just was surrounded bythis bright light, but not like
as if you're looking in the sunand it's uncomfortable bright
light.
It's a soft, warm, engulfinglight, like it encapsulates.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It wasn't very warm to me.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And in that light, what I found was that was
presented to me were two lightentities representing themselves
as a mother figure, fatherfigure, yeah, and it was like a
(41:56):
family reunion.
It was like, oh, welcome home.
But it was all.
Communication was alltelepathic.
There was no verbal mouthcommunication, it was all
telepathic.
But the conversation was like,oh, we're so glad to see you and
welcome home.
And I was like, oh, I'm so gladto be here.
It feels so warm and invitingand so much love and peace and
(42:21):
it's so good to be home.
That was such a hard journey andit was just like a family
reunion of I came home fromcollege or whatever right, and
wasn't for me it felt like I wasthere for a minute oh yeah, you
was there for a minute um, no,no, no quick, a quick minute,
(42:42):
yeah it didn't feel like it wasas long as it was on your side
of the oh, it felt like foreveron my side of the thing.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
No, I'm like I feel.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
I feel like in a snap , like I wasn't there long
enough.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Next thing, you know, I feel like I'd only been there
like seconds.
Next thing, you know, they'retelling me okay, it's time to go
back.
And I'm like, no, I don't wantto go back, I am staying here.
And they're like no, you can't.
You have more things that youhave to do.
You've got to go back.
And I'm like, no, I'm not goingback.
I like it here, I like the wayit feels and it's yucky back
(43:18):
there.
I'm not going back.
And they're like, yep, you'regoing back, love you.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
And then I remember, like opening my eyes barely, I
was right in the process, aboutto slap the crap out of you.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
But the biggest thing I remember is you were
literally yelling to the top ofyour lungs, right in my ear, and
I remember saying, oh my God,why are you yelling at me?
Yeah, because, bitch, youweren't breathing and you didn't
have a pulse.
I was like okay, I'm fine, Stopyelling.
(43:59):
You're being so loud and I wasscolding you for being loud
because I was disoriented anddidn't know even.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
What did the last three and a half minutes have?
Transpired Like I went andvisited family?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Where were you at?
Why didn't you go with me?
And it was like an in and outthing.
It was very, very quick on myside of things from you telling
the story.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
You said it was much longer than just a minute, three
and a half minutes at leastfrom my perspective, it was like
seconds all I know is you saidI didn't want to come back.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
What?
But the experience isabsolutely indescribable.
Until you go to that place andcan experience it, there are no
human words to really describethe feeling of just the
unconditional, warm, welcominglove, of just being in the
(45:01):
presence of that natural stateof being.
And I'm telling you, if wecould find that every day, all
day long, this world would be amuch different place.
Oh yeah, for sure, 100%.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
So I think, in a quick way if we can, the point
of this podcast is to make surey'all should watch that episode
on ancient aliens, because itwas very eye-opening for me that
they're actually studying itnow.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
And that there is.
You know, according to thescience that I've seen on the
show, which I haven't done anyresearch on, I didn't plan on
doing that, but they are sayingthat they can prove now that
consciousness goes and moves onafter death.
Yeah, but I haven't looked atthat up yet, but that's what
they're claiming.
And so if you or anybody elsethat you know guys have had an
(45:50):
air death experience, and hey,share this podcast with them,
tag them in it, put the story inthe comments.
We'd love to hear it.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
And you know, if it's a good enough story, maybe
we'll guest in about you on andyou can.
You can tell everybody on theair.
That would be kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, that would be kind of cool.
Yeah, that would um, it wouldbe interesting to hear each
individual person's experienceyeah of their nde for sure yep,
all right, don't forget guys.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
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I was noticing on Eventbriteit's got the pricing a little
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Speaker 2 (46:54):
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The tickets are $25 and thenEventbrite charges their fee and
then apparently there's taxesfor event scheduling.
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Speaker 1 (48:07):
Love you.
We'll see you next time.
Good morning everybody.
Welcome back to the podcast,Welcome to the Spiritual Grind
again.
Good morning.
I just want to take a minuteand thank all of our listeners,
Absolutely.
I am glad you all download usand put up with our shenanigans.
We enjoy doing it and we'reglad that you are here to
support us.
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We appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, it's a fun little hoedown.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We're doing what with hoes?
You didn't invite me.
Oh, you mean gardening?
Okay, we're gardening with hoes.
Well, guys, we've been uhdealing and talking about uh,
our relationship podcasts, andwe were talking about spiritual
(01:17):
sex and we were talking about uh, we had a couple episodes on
episodes on sex, and then we'realso talking about appreciation.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
When you say spiritual sex, you mean sex, but
looking at it from a spiritualstandpoint, spiritual standpoint
, correct?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, that's what it says in the description too.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I didn't know if you were meaning like tantra or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm not smart, I can't even spell tantra.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, you know, there may be some listeners that
haven't been following us, thatare just tuning in.
Yeah, and just for claritypurposes.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I just wanted to clarify.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Nice.
Appreciate the clarity.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
For others.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
We like clarity.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
We like it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So do you have a topic today?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
No, my article that I wrote this morning was about
near-death experiences.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh, that would be a great topic Actually, because I
had a topic, but that's not likea much more fun topic.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh no, I printed the article off.
It was a quick little 1,200words.
Oh, was a quick little 1,200words.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Oh, just a quick little, 1,200 words Blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, what came up for me?
You know, we like to watch thatancient alien little episode
thing.
What do you call it?
Season Series?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Ancient Aliens.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, and they were talking about in the particular
episode we watched, which Ithink we've seen it before.
I think we've seen them all.
They were talking aboutnear-death experiences and how
the scientific world is stilltrying to put it off as some
(03:07):
sort of endorphin release thatcauses the mind to do these
weird, peculiar things.
To try and explain somepeople's experiences with it.
Of you know, because there'speople out there that have had
(03:32):
experiences where they canactually see events going on in
an operating room or in an ERand they're they describe it as
they're hovering over their ownbody watching this technique
being done or this or theconversations and they can.
(03:52):
When they come back into theirphysical body, they can actually
quote people word for word andit's turning science on its head
, basically because they don'tunderstand how can that happen.
But they're doing what sciencedoes, which is to kind of push
(04:15):
it to the side and say it's somesort of chemical release inside
the body and the brain thatmakes absolutely no logical
inside the body and the brainthat causes absolutely no
logical sense the way thatthey're trying to dismiss it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That sounds like a bunch of hooey to me.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
A bunch of hogwash A bunch of hooey gooey yuckiness.
And I, having experienced itnot once, not twice, but three
times, have a differentperspective on my interpretation
of it for myself, and it's justfor myself, on what it is and
(04:59):
why it happens.
Of course the metaphysiciansand the metaphysical world see
it much differently.
Of course the metaphysiciansand the metaphysical world see
it much differently and you know, oftentimes we try and provide
information for the scientificworld to help them.
I don't know, have some morestuff to explore?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Get out of their science book and actually figure
something out.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I mean because here's my thought on that, or just
look at it from a differentstandpoint.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The scientists and doctors like to teach us that
everybody's a little bitdifferent.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But yet why is it that everybody that has
near-death experiences almostverbatim describe it exactly the
same?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I mean, I can't even go that far because there's some
people that have theirnear-death experiences in the
ease as coined the phrase in theease, in the ease are
definitely much different.
There are some out there thathave, uh, described very shadow
(06:02):
like hell, hell-like experiencesthat kind of scared the shit
out of them.
You know so there's varyingdegrees of experiences that are
taking place out there, butyou're right, there is a very
large percentage that describegoing into the warm light and
some aspects of it that are verysimilar.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and what I find interesting, because I actually
studied these at one time,because there was one time when
I was younger and I had been ona drunken stupor bender- why am
I not surprised?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
had probably partied for four or five days, and I sat
in my living room floor and Iwondered how, when I woke up the
next morning, did I have acomplete conversation with my
dead grandfather, and so I oftenwondered if that was an NDE for
me at that time, because, whoknows, that was pretty crazy
(07:05):
back then for me.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean, if you read my article at any point in
your life, you'll see how Iexplain that type of experience
as well, Because we all comewith the abilities to do all of
these different things.
It's just what limits us frombeing able to do any one of
(07:27):
these special gifts is ourbeliefs or fears or perception
around them, and our abilities,our perceived ability to do it.
That's what blocks us frombeing able to embrace any aspect
of it, whether it's completelyleave my body and then come back
(07:50):
, or whether it's talking todead people when I'm in a what
would you call it a coke comayeah, a coke coma A coke coma A
coke coma.
Whatever A party near deathparty experience.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, you know, I had a second one too, when I was 14
.
My mom had sent me home withone of her employees and her
boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
And they'd take me home, which was like 24 miles
down the road, down the highway,down highway 20 in oklahoma,
and they got to argue and goingdown the highway and there was
three of us sitting in the frontof this chevy love pickup which
, if you don't know what a chevythe pickup is, they're those
itty bitty old pickups, yeah,the little bitty ones, without
an extended cab probably.
Yeah, no, it was a single cab,yeah and I was pretty much
(08:41):
hanging out the passenger windowbecause at this time I had went
through my growth spurt and Iwas pretty tall and pretty lanky
and I was hanging out thepassenger window and they got to
arguing going down the road andgot in this fight and she had
to be doing 80 or 90.
And she crossed over into theother lane and we had a one-ton
Ford Dually head-on.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, it was crazy.
I was ejected from the vehiclethrough the windshield and I
didn't don't remember anythingabout it other than my face
going through the windshieldyeah well, and let me rephrase
that I didn't remember anythingabout it and but I started
(09:23):
having these visions, I guess ofit yeah in this cloudy area.
Yeah, of me going through thewindshield and looking while I'm
watching myself going throughthe windshield and looking back
and seeing kim hit thewindshield.
That show that was a.
The person was driving wasnamed kim and she hit the
(09:44):
windshield and cut her throat.
I mean she almost died rightthere on the spot and she broke
both her legs.
It was a crazy thing.
And then her boyfriend, paul,who was in the mental he wasn't
driving because he had beendrinking.
That's what they were fightingabout.
It was a five-speed and I seenhim disappear under the dash as
(10:07):
I'm watching it in the video.
And still to this day nobodyknows where that gear shift went
.
By the way, oh, no, bendover.
I don't know.
We know it disappeared, but thetruck was annihilated,
literally.
The bed of the truck was foldedover on top of the cab where it
had, just, like you know,accordioned down, and I got
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lucky with it.
But I walked Somehow.
I got up and walked in becauseit happened right in front of a
convenience store.
When she crossed over in thatlane, somebody was pulling out
of the convenience store in thisbig one-ton Ford Dually and
neither one of them were hurt.
It broke his left ankle.
That was it, because he had abig.
It was a ranching area.
But what a point I was gettingto is is I got up and walked
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into the convenience store andasked them to call 9-1-1 and the
lady said oh, you're okay, son,go ahead and sit down because I
was bleeding profusely from myforehead yeah and, uh, I
remember sitting down andcrunching.
When I sat down and I don'tremember because my back was so
jacked in my neck at the time,but I just remember having this
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crunching sound and I had brokemy collarbone but I didn't break
it.
It wasn't a full sever, but itwas crunching when I was moving
my neck.
It was moving around.
I could hear, I could.
I think I could hear thegrinding in my ears, but nobody
else could.
I don't know, but I had visionsof this happening and I often
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wondered if it didn't kill meand I just happened to refuse to
leave at that time and cameback.
I got up, literally off thehighway.
I remember I watched myself, Ibrushed off my clothes and I'm
looking and I'm bleedingeverywhere.
There's blood everywhere and Ihave no idea where it's coming
from because I couldn't feel myhead.
And then next thing, I know I'min the hospital and so I don't
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know if that vision's real, ifthat really happened.
To this day I have no idea ifthat really happened.
All I know is I told them tocall 911, because that was right
after 911 started and the ladyknew my parents.
I said you can call my mom tooif you would.
And they life flighted Kim andPaul out and I don't know what
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happened to me.
I don't know how I ended up inthe hospital.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
All I know is I ended up in the hospital and I woke
up with my family and everybodystanding around me holding my
hand I see, it was crazy yeah, Imean, you know you'll have to
check in with it for yourselfand because it's very much in a
fog, like people describe it inmy vision, right and so.
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Yeah, you know, that's thething.
Like with any of the air quotegifts, special gifts we tend to
dismiss them as something morehumanly logical, because we've
taught ourselves to do so basedon the acceptability of the
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collective or the society Right,and in doing that you actually
can kind of block yourself fromknowing what actually happened.
Knowing what actually happened,unless it's absolutely necessary
that you know the finitedetails for expansion of your
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journey or for some part of themission that you came here for,
and it's vital that you know thedetails and know for sure,
beyond a shadow of a doubt, thatit happened.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I know that that situation changed the
perspective on how I changed myperspective on life.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
How so.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, because then I was more.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Because when it happened, you were about how old
.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I was 14.
I had just turned 14.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
And it was in the summer.
It was probably the.
Actually it was July 4thweekend.
I know it was July 4th weekendin the summer.
It was probably the.
Actually it was july 4thweekend.
Yeah, I know what, it was july4th weekend in the summer after
I turned 14.
Yeah and uh, it changed myperspective because it made me
realize how, how tough the humanbody is and how invincible we
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really can be if we want to be.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And it was.
I guess it just made me feellike I could take on the world.
I guess.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Even more than you already thought you could.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean, you know, what's funny about it is
that gas station is the gasstation that I actually worked
at on Saturdays, loading feet.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But in my vision I walk in and walk in and hey,
lady, but I know all of them,yeah, and so it's kind of weird
situation that you referred toher as lady yeah, instead of
calling her by her name.
Right, which, uh, which it was,dottie was her name.
Instead of saying hey, dottie,because I used to go in there
all the time.
That was the store my mom usedto send me to to buy cigarettes
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on my bicycle when I was eightyeah and I would.
I would go in there, I would getit when I would get sandwiches
and stuff.
Now that was earning money andstarted hauling hay and her
husband is the one I hauled allthe hay for.
Yeah, and it was uh, but I, soI knew them personally, but in
my remembering of it I didn'tcall her by her name.
I, I was like hey lady, can youcall 911?
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And she didn't call me by myname, and so that's why I
wondered if it was just a visionof what had happened.
And that really didn't happen.
You know what I mean.
It was like one of those NDEsthat you just don't really know
if it's factual or not, becauseI don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Right.
So what could have possiblyhappened is it's rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You want a sandwich?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I went to the higher heavens and they said, no,
you're not welcome yet, you gotto go back.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No, what could have happened is that you definitely
had an NDE, definitely had anNDE.
You're laying in the road andinstead of you presenting
yourself as you creating such analarm or, oh my god, panic
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state to Dottie you may have ina have in a spiritual version of
you went.
I cloaked yourself in adifferent suit, so to speak, so
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that she didn't see you aslittle jimmy yeah, she saw you
as somebody else so that shecould keep her tactful mind
about her and call 911 and gethelp, Whereas if you had gone in
as the little Jimmy she knewbleeding near death, it may have
put her in a state of utterpanic where she wasn't able to
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do anything for you to helpbecause her system completely
shut down.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
You know, later on I asked her if she remembered me
coming in and telling her tocall 911.
Do anything for you to helpbecause her system completely
shut down.
You know, later on I asked herif she remembered me coming in
and telling her to call 911.
No-transcript, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I don't really know, but that was later on, right,
and so I mean, like I said thatcould have been, what happened
is, is you presented as a, as an, as an individual that she
didn't recognize, to save thepanic, so that she could keep
herself together and not havethat emotional attachment to
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somebody she recognized in thatstate and be able to call 911
and get help there as quick aspossible?
It's a spiritual orchestration.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, it could be, and you know, I don't know.
To this day I still don't knowwhat transpired.
I do remember Kim was jacked upman, she had a brain bleed, she
had.
They had to do surgery, open,open cranial surgery on her.
And paul I don't know, that guywas just too drunk.
I think he was just too drunkto get hurt.
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All he did was have a cut, twocuts on his wrist from hitting
the windshield or something, andwe still don't know where the
gear shift went.
But that whole experience, wewere lucky because the fire
department was like right there,a quarter mile from the fire
department, and so they werethere pretty quickly.
But you know, it was a luckysituation and I often wondered
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if that wasn't a near-deathexperience for me.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Possibly you just have to check in and see how it
feels for you.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And sometimes you'll get the information and
sometimes you won't.
If it's a necessary piece ofinformation that you need to
continue with your mission, thenyou'll be given the information
.
Yeah, just a matter of askingfor clarity and then allowing
the information to come in.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But that's with any topic, really yeah, a lot of
people don't believe in them.
I've had this conversation with.
Well, of course I, but that'swith any topic.
Really, yeah, a lot of peopledon't believe in them.
I've had this conversation withwell, of course I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That's why the different perspectives are out.
There is that they're.
They're still toggling aroundwith what happens to the human
consciousness, or the essence,right?
Does it live only in the brainor does it go somewhere else?
And a lot of people cannot wraptheir mind around or
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conceptualize the fact thatthere's this consciousness that
can live out there in thequantum etheric world without it
being attached to a physicalthing.
They just can't wrap their mindaround it, especially highly
scientific brains.
They tend to have trouble withthat kinds of concepts.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, I know which is what the metaphysicians do.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
They challenge the physicians.
There's a place for us all.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh, I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Totally agree.
You know, I had a conversationone time with one of our former
customers at our previousemployment.
He had had a brain bleed.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And when I told him I know you're going to the
hospital because he wasn'tmaking any sense, he was laying
on the floor not making anysense, right?
And then after they found outand they fixed it and he came
back and he told me he's like Iwas sitting there, uh, dancing
with my wife oh yeah and so Iwas like huh, what do you mean
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dancing?
he's like I don't know.
I was when, when I came, when Icame to and realized I was in
the back of the ambulance, I wasdancing with my wife and she
had died.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm a part of that, yeah she had died what?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
a year or so before that.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And it was a pretty.
I was like so was that anear-death experience?
And of course he's.
You know he's staunch.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
He was like oh no, I don't think so, if God wanted to
take me.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So by definition, near-death experience is defined
as having no viable signs oflife in the physical body,
meaning no heartbeat, norespirations and usually no
brain activity.
Yeah, sometimes they'll let thebrain activity part of it slide
, because the brain activity cansometimes still exist even
after the heart and therespirations have stopped.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, they just proved that scientifically.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
We just seen that other people are explaining.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, is there a time limit on it?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Because it could have happened is so that humans
don't have to experience thefull embodiment of the physical
body, hurting or the fear oflosing consciousness, or pain or
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some of that there is a pointin time where your higher self
will remove you from thephysical body so that you don't
have to feel those things orhave fear.
But your heart still beats andyour lungs still breathe
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subconscious compartmentalize Iguess maybe well something like
that whatever, I don't even knowwhat that means.
What, what does that mean?
I don't know, I'm just makingsome fancy word up, make me
sound, and so that's muchdifferent than a true near-death
experience where you have noactual vital signs, so to speak,
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there is no heart rhythm on themonitor, there is no
respirations taking place Likeyou literally have, like you see
on TV this line that goesacross the screen.
So what he was having was he wastaken to a temporary holding
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place with his consciousness,just so that he didn't and was
waiting and holding so that hedidn't have to necessarily lay
there and know that things arenot right.
This is not right.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
let me get anxious, let me get scared oh, what
you're saying yeah, I get it umbecause you're saying that his
body created that tocompartmentalize the fear of
dying?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
created the vision or higher self or higher self,
yeah right, took hisconsciousness to or showed him
I'm smelling what you're sippingin come and let's sit in this
healing place and here dancewith your wife while you wait,
and would you entertain herbecause I'm really trying to
take care of her.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Would you like a martini right?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
um, and so there are holding places, uh, the realm of
multidimensional, multiverse,situations, okay, which are
different than near order.
What?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
was that?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
Near death experiences.
I don't know what just happened, but that was my tongue got all
twisted up and tripped over thewords NDE.
Nde those are two separatesituations yeah so that's what
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was happening with him and therabbit hole situation in that
was by design.
You were supposed to find himand call 911 and take him
through the gateway to come back.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, he wouldn't respond to me when I found him.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And that was all structured.
He was just laying on was justa moment for him to get to go
back and see his wife yeah andhave a dancing experience.
And sometimes we have to moveaway from the physical body to
be able to do that, especiallyif we have very strong, staunch
beliefs that won't let us dothat in our dream state yeah, I
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get it, um, and so there have tobe, sometimes, situations that
remove us from the monkey mindand the belief system, so that
we can go into a much deeperkind of hypnotic brain state or
mind state, uh, to be able totake us to that realistic
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feeling place of interactingwith the non-physical.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, and I know he was his staunch religious views.
Would I have a near-deathexperience, or what?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
And he was like, oh no, if God wouldn't take me,
he'd take me now, right or what,and he was like, oh no, if god
wouldn't take me, he'd take menow, right, and those beliefs
would not have ever let him, um,have that deep kind of visceral
experience of dancing with hiswife, like he had whenever he
had this brain bleed, yeah, andso sometimes, in order to create
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that, we have to put them in.
We I'm sorry, I'm channelingyeah they're telling me that
they have to put people humansin situations where they release
their humanness completely inorder to give them the kind of
experience that they long foryou know so with him.
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He could have been very wellsitting around wishing that he
had one more opportunity to justdance with his wife, because
that was his sweet, sweet memoryyeah and he, you know, maybe
that was what he was longing for.
And in order to give him thatopportunity to experience that,
because of his very staunch andvery rigid beliefs around death
(27:24):
and dying or meditation orwhatever, they couldn't raise
his frequency high enough to gethim detached enough through
dream state to be able to takehim in and really let him feel
like he was dancing with hiswife, instead of it being a
dream, yeah and so they put himin a situation where they it had
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to be a situation that he couldmake logical sense out of yeah
when he came back around to hisphysical body I get it and so
for him, the logical part ofthat was oh, I had a brain bleed
, and so I am part of thescientific world that, if it, if
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go.
So what happened is is that mymind took me to a place that was
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more pleasant while I wasinjured.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And then I came back around when I was fixed by
modern medicine.
He can digest that a lot easierthan he could where you were
trying to take him.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, so that's kind of howthat works.
So you're going to tell usabout yours?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Oh yeah, of course, sure, okay, so my journey.
It looks like this.
This is my journey.
So as a child, I can remembergoing to sleep at night and
having what some people wouldcall astral.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Projecting.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Projecting kind of like scenarios where I would lay
in bed and I could literallyfeel myself coming out of my
physical body, and there was apart of me that found it curious
.
But then there was another partof me that is scared, and so I
created a fear around it.
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It happened several times, butit scared me because as a child
I didn't really understand it,and the fear then made it stop
happening okay but at that timeit was just an introductory
level of getting me used tobeing detached from the physical
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body.
Okay, I didn't know that at thetime.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Fair enough.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So then, for me, I had the procedure where I ended
up with a pacemaker.
Oh and um, so by accident, theyum ablated part of my heart.
(30:05):
Yeah, and weren't expecting to.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I ended up with a pacemaker.
Long story short, can you?
Imagine what the surgery waslike right when the doctor was
like, all the nurses comerunning and he's like he was
probably cussing oh, I'm sure um, my experience was not the
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traditional.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Oh, I went into the warm light kind of thing in that
particular one, but that's notwhat it was for.
It was to.
It was training wheels for me.
I do have a vague recollectionof remembering that, of hearing
them talk, and one of thestatements that was made is oh
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shit, she has no pulse oh shit Ido remember hearing that yeah
um, at the time that that allwent on in my life, I didn't
think much of it.
That wasn't the focus Right.
The focus was WTF?
(31:16):
I go in for a procedure.
I'm supposed to be in and outsame day.
I go home all as well.
I'm still there at seveno'clock at night when I come out
of anesthesia 14 hours laterand I have all these wires
attached to me and I'm like, whythe F?
am I still here?
And why do I look like I amhalf robot, like what is going
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on, and my family's all gatheredaround me giving me that oh my
God, we thought you were dead,look.
And so I'm just trying tofigure out why am I not at home
and why am I still here.
Like very bewildered.
Yeah, oh yeah Not kind ofunderstanding, because the way
the procedure was explained tome is I'd go in at seven, they
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would do a little explorationand I would be out and having
lunch, quite possibly at home bynoon.
And having lunch quite possiblyat home by noon.
Yeah, and so I didn't,necessarily I didn't do the
whole.
Call your family, call yourmother, call your father, please
be here while I go in for thisprocedure Long term, like what
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do I do with my kids long term.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So the neighbor was literally watching them until I
got home and, like I made,temporary plans for life
probably not the best idea well,I I the way they'd explain to
me and so and fortunately youcan make the little screech
noise oh
Speaker 1 (32:48):
it went in a different direction.
Um, but for me that particularepisode wasn't about the near
death for me, so I didn't giveit a lot of focus.
I kind of just was like, okay,whatever, I'm here now, let's
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make the best of this situation.
But what it was was.
It was like that kindergartenfirst grade, first exposure to
okay, you left your body, youcame back.
It was easy, it was simple.
There was no pain.
You were able to find your bodypop back in, no big deal.
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Mama, mama, I'm coming home sothen, the second time it
happened, I had my breastslifted.
After years of breastfeeding,they got a little dreamy.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Well, I lift them all , the time.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
It is nice when you hold them, because they're heavy
.
Surgery was five or six, I don'tknow eight hours long.
I don't even know what happenedis.
I was wheeled into the recoveryroom and the anesthesiologist I
guess felt it necessary to giveme a little extra pain medicine
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so that when I started to comefully around, I guess felt it
necessary to give me a littleextra pain medicine so that when
I started to come fully aroundI wasn't in pain.
Well, as you well know, I don'ttake a lot of medications, so I
am highly, highly receptive topain medication.
I literally take a 200milligram Advil when I'm having
pain and I cut it in fourths.
That's how receptive my body isto pain medicine.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So she gave me a large dose of it and I decided
that I was going to stopbreathing.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
When I came into the recovery room.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Just want to make sure that their code kit was all
set up.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I guess so.
Get ready, because we're goingto test your.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
We're going to test your abilities today.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
We're going to test your abilities today, and so I
decided to stop breathing.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And then Then all you hear is code blue code blue
code blue.
No Code blue code blue.
Then all you hear is code bluecode blue code blue no.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Code blue code blue Well, so the way it was
described to me, because, youhave to remember, I had this
procedure done in the hospitalwhere I work.
Oh, so you knew everybody too,and so all these people knew me,
and so they shared theaftermath of it with me.
I didn't get treated like anaverage patient outside of here
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Like oh my God, jenny, you died.
Don't ever, effing, do that tous again, you BIDCH.
If you're going to do that, youhave to have express written
permission.
Apparently there was not anyonereally standing there, and I
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didn't breathe long enough towhere the heart actually stopped
as well.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
For a minute, so they had nobody observing you they
didn't, I didn't do anythingabout it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm just like okay, as your shift leader next time I
come in to have a procedure Iam going to kick your ass if you
do that you better be standingby and they're like okay, well,
if you decide to stop breathingand you decide to stop heart
beating, uh, we're gonna kickyour ass right back Again.
For me, it wasn't about goinginto the light and having that
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whole drawn out experience.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
This was still training wheels for me.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Let us show you again .
We can pop out and you can popback in very easy and find that
frequency.
So I do remember hearing themconversate over my body.
I remember seeing differentindividuals, like I'm at the
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foot of the bed outside of mybody and I see the different
nurses and the anesthesiologist.
They brought the crash cartover and then that's all of my
remembrance of it.
But again, it later on wasgiven to me in the complete
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download of the purpose of it,was given to me in the complete
download of the purpose of it,which was it wasn't meant for me
to have this full-on exitexperience.
It was just training wheels towork me through the fear that
had been created as a child.
Piece by piece, layer by layer.
Then we fast forward to mythird experience which was the
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big kahuna.
I call it the big kahuna.
Yeah, that you were involved in.
Yeah, yeah that was not fun,and my perception of the
experience and your perceptionof the experience were two
entirely different experiences.
Yes, I did not enjoy this atall Right, so we had been in the
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hot tub.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
No, first we had been out drinking at the bar all
night and we were pretty lityeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So we had been drinking.
We decided to get in the hottub.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And smoke a left-handed cigarette.
We decided to get in the hottub and smoke a left-handed
cigarette.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We decided to get out .
You were like, oh, I'm ready toget out, I think right, yes,
and you asked me yeah, I saidare you ready to get out?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I was getting hot.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, and I said, yeah, I'm ready to get out.
And that's literally the lastthing I remember.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, I stood up and I got out of the hot tub.
I turned around to hand her hertowel and she's in the water.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm like what the Like?
Face down, Face down in thewater.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, you were like under the water.
I was like, and so I was likewhat are you doing?
And you didn't say anything.
It didn't even move, your eyesweren't even open, actually.
But when I realized, your eyesweren't open because it was dark
.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah.
And so I was like yeah, becausethis was like at what?
Like 1 or 2 o'clock in themorning.
Yeah, it was probably 2 o'clockin the morning.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And we were both butt naked.
Right and keep in mind we're inmy parents' hot tub at my
parents' house, you don't get inthe hot tub.
I turn back around and she's inthe water underneath the water
and all I see is the bloop,bloop of the air pop up, I think
because I had turned the hottub off.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Right, so the water was still.
Is what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, the water was still.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Okay.
So when you saw the bubbles, Iwas like what the fuck?
Is that what dinged you tosomething's wrong?
Yeah, and Dinged you tosomething's wrong yeah, and so I
just reached down and grabbedyou and turned you over, bring
your head out of the thing.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
And you're not breathing, your eyes are closed
and I'm like what the heck?
And so I just lift you up anddrag you out of the hot tub and
set you on the ground, buttnaked.
You have no pulse, you're notresponding and I finally was
like listen, lady, you need towake your ass up, or I'm calling
911.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Wet, slimy body that is dead weight.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I was hollering at my mom and dad.
They were all the way acrossthe other side of the house
because I didn't have no cellphone or nothing out there.
We were both naked.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
And they probably had their hearing aids out with
their headsets on.
Yep yep Watching TV.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Because there we were both naked and they probably
had their hearing aids out, withtheir headsets on.
Yep, yep, watch the tv, becausethat's how they sleep.
They sleep with their headsetson right.
And so finally, I went.
I was like I covered you upwith a towel.
I went to grab my cell phoneand I came back and I'm on, I'm
literally dialing 9-1-1.
I'm like I'm dialing 9-1-1, youbetter wake up and I get the
one dialed and you start wakingup.
And I was like, because you hadno poles, I checked for your
poles.
There was no poles, you werenot breathing and you were not
(40:59):
responding.
I even broke your leg orcracked your leg and pulling you
out of the hot tub.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
So on my side of things, here's what it looked
like.
On my side of things, I havethe bright light affair happen,
like I just was surrounded bythis bright light, but not like
as if you're looking in the sunand it's uncomfortable bright
light.
It's a soft, warm, engulfinglight, like it encapsulates.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It wasn't very warm to me.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And in that light, what I found was that was
presented to me were two lightentities representing themselves
as a mother figure, fatherfigure, yeah, and it was like a
(41:56):
family reunion.
It was like, oh, welcome home.
But it was all.
Communication was alltelepathic.
There was no verbal mouthcommunication, it was all
telepathic.
But the conversation was like,oh, we're so glad to see you and
welcome home.
And I was like, oh, I'm so gladto be here.
It feels so warm and invitingand so much love and peace and
(42:21):
it's so good to be home.
That was such a hard journey andit was just like a family
reunion of I came home fromcollege or whatever right, and
wasn't for me it felt like I wasthere for a minute oh yeah, you
was there for a minute um, no,no, no quick, a quick minute,
(42:42):
yeah it didn't feel like it wasas long as it was on your side
of the oh, it felt like foreveron my side of the thing.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
No, I'm like I feel.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
I feel like in a snap , like I wasn't there long
enough.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Next thing, you know, I feel like I'd only been there
like seconds.
Next thing, you know, they'retelling me okay, it's time to go
back.
And I'm like, no, I don't wantto go back, I am staying here.
And they're like no, you can't.
You have more things that youhave to do.
You've got to go back.
And I'm like, no, I'm not goingback.
I like it here, I like the wayit feels and it's yucky back
(43:18):
there.
I'm not going back.
And they're like, yep, you'regoing back, love you.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
And then I remember, like opening my eyes barely, I
was right in the process, aboutto slap the crap out of you.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
But the biggest thing I remember is you were
literally yelling to the top ofyour lungs, right in my ear, and
I remember saying, oh my God,why are you yelling at me?
Yeah, because, bitch, youweren't breathing and you didn't
have a pulse.
I was like okay, I'm fine, Stopyelling.
(43:59):
You're being so loud and I wasscolding you for being loud
because I was disoriented anddidn't know even.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
What did the last three and a half minutes have?
Transpired Like I went andvisited family?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Where were you at?
Why didn't you go with me?
And it was like an in and outthing.
It was very, very quick on myside of things from you telling
the story.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
You said it was much longer than just a minute, three
and a half minutes at leastfrom my perspective, it was like
seconds all I know is you saidI didn't want to come back.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
What?
But the experience isabsolutely indescribable.
Until you go to that place andcan experience it, there are no
human words to really describethe feeling of just the
unconditional, warm, welcominglove, of just being in the
(45:01):
presence of that natural stateof being.
And I'm telling you, if wecould find that every day, all
day long, this world would be amuch different place.
Oh yeah, for sure, 100%.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
So I think, in a quick way if we can, the point
of this podcast is to make surey'all should watch that episode
on ancient aliens, because itwas very eye-opening for me that
they're actually studying itnow.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
And that there is.
You know, according to thescience that I've seen on the
show, which I haven't done anyresearch on, I didn't plan on
doing that, but they are sayingthat they can prove now that
consciousness goes and moves onafter death.
Yeah, but I haven't looked atthat up yet, but that's what
they're claiming.
And so if you or anybody elsethat you know guys have had an
(45:50):
air death experience, and hey,share this podcast with them,
tag them in it, put the story inthe comments.
We'd love to hear it.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
And you know, if it's a good enough story, maybe
we'll guest in about you on andyou can.
You can tell everybody on theair.
That would be kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, that would be kind of cool.
Yeah, that would um, it wouldbe interesting to hear each
individual person's experienceyeah of their nde for sure yep,
all right, don't forget guys.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Hey, we are doing the power of thought, the power of
positive thought workshop at theholistic house in hollyhill,
florida, starting on october 3rd.
It is a 16-week workshop.
It goes into January of nextyear and it's $25 a week.
Or you can buy the whole coursefor $348, and you can get that
on Eventbrite, or you can callHolistic House in Holly Hill,
(46:42):
florida and make reservationsthere.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, real quick.
I was noticing on Eventbriteit's got the pricing a little
wonky and hard to understandyeah.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
So you'll have to look into that.
The tickets are $25 and thenEventbrite charges their fee and
then apparently there's taxesfor event scheduling.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Oh, I see.
So if you go through them, yeah, it's going to be a little bit
more if you go through.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Eventbrite, but you can pay for the whole course all
at once right there.
You can do that at the HolisticHouse as well, and the Salty
Tarot store is open.
Yeah, go shopping Go, get yousome spiritual grind garb.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Or some Salty Tarot garb.
The app is underway.
We have POC ready and workingon some other stuff, so it's
going well.
I am going to put up theholiday pack.
Try to get that done tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Of the coffee For the coffee.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yay, get that on the store so you can buy it there.
The Spiritual Grind Coffee Talkset.
It's going to have a pound ofour coffee and two coffee mugs,
let's say the Spiritual Grind,with our pretty little faces on
them, Nice.
And so, anyway, like follow andshare.
Don't forget to hit up thewebsite wwwthemarkcentersorg.
(47:59):
Tell all your friends about us.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
And ring that bell.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Hey, you all have an awesome day.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Love you.
We'll see you next time.
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