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What if the real productivity hack is putting yourself back into your own life? We’ve been neck-deep in building our metaphysical app—designing avatars, crafting inventory, translating art into code—and it opened our eyes to a bigger truth: work feels different when it’s built on curiosity, not compulsion. As we swap stories from the creative trenches, we break down the triad that shapes both software and life: backend logic, the interface you see, and the bridge that turns intention into experience. That same pattern can reconnect you to your day-to-day—beliefs, routines, and the choices that let you actually feel present.

We go straight at the guilt that surrounds self-care and why calling it “selfish” is a trap. From a nursing “scene safety” mindset to real talk about parenting and partners, we reframe care for self as the prerequisite for caring for others. We share bite-size strategies to leave autopilot behind: daily check-ins, five-minute joys, and tiny habit loops that build creative momentum. You’ll hear how honoring small pockets of play—illustration sprints, writing sessions, world-building—sparked new energy and even saved serious money by keeping creative work in-house.

There’s a story you won’t forget: a buttoned-up accountant on the edge of divorce who chose joy, dove into a fountain in full dress, and laughed his way back to himself. That moment captures our core message: joy is structural, not optional. If you’ve felt stuck in the factory mindset or trapped by “shoulds,” you’ll find practical ways to start small and shift big. We close with an open invitation: metaphysical practitioners, teachers, and creators—join the Lucidium World ecosystem to bring your work live, connect one-on-one, and add your courses and shops while players explore.

Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a five-minute joy nudge, and leave a review with the tiny habit you’ll start today. Your future self is waiting for you to say yes.

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SPEAKER_04 (00:49):
Good morning, everybody.
Welcome back to the spiritualgrind.

SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
Good morning.

SPEAKER_04 (00:56):
It's uh James James and Jenny here.
We appreciate you all tuning inagain and listening to this
wonderful podcast that we putout every single week.
Actually, twice a week.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06):
Yeah, I try to do one twice a week.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09):
Yeah, and we appreciate the uh like, follows,
and shares that y'all do.
Because we've had quite a largejump in in listeners lately and
we're liking it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19):
Yeah, for sure.
Um we uh I think there was acouple of weeks where we missed
one just because it was heavyapp week.
Yeah.
There is a lot too.
There are days where my own.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37):
Is that like a show here in Daytona?

SPEAKER_02 (01:39):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39):
It's kinda we have Bike Bike Tober Week and V Beats
Week and or Jeep Week and HeavyAss Week.
Yeah, that'll be the next one.
There's something going on atthe racetrack last night.

SPEAKER_02 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, we could hear the noise, but I don't know
what it was.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
I don't know either.
I don't really care.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
Anyway, the yeah, the app uh development, it never
ceases to amaze me.
The uh well two things about it.
The intricate vast amount ofdetails that go into it that I
never knew were involved indeveloping an app.

SPEAKER_04 (02:21):
Oh yeah, it's quite intricate.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
And then our ability to just um adapt and overcome
like we always do.
Learning whatever we need tolearn to pivot, doing whatever
we need to do.
I, as an creator andillustrator, uh taught myself

(02:46):
what a rig is and um how tocreate the dimensions of like
the avatar, the user avatarclothing and stuff.
So I'm creating that inventoryline now for the app, for the
avatars.

SPEAKER_00 (03:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (03:05):
A rig is basically a computer generated umne
mannequin, so to speak.

SPEAKER_04 (03:14):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (03:15):
And you have to you can't just create a naked one
because of the naked policiesand stuff from everything.
So you gotta put on like thisbodysuit and you gotta think
about whether or not you'regonna go skin colored or not.

SPEAKER_04 (03:35):
And yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 (03:36):
Like there's some there's quite a bit of detail
just in getting ready to do theclothing and jewelry inventory.
You gotta come up with that basemodel so that the uh, for
example, so the earrings landproperly on the avatar when they

(03:57):
choose it, uh, or the clothes orthe hats or whatever.
So I've been creating the wigsand the jewelry and the
headbands, sunglasses, all theinventory, sorry.
All the inventory for the avataruser.

SPEAKER_04 (04:12):
So what's the one thing that fooled you about the
app that you've had to thatreally got you like, oh my gosh,
I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
Oh my god, I could there's not even there's it's
not one thing.

SPEAKER_04 (04:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (04:23):
It's something every day.

SPEAKER_04 (04:25):
Um what did you expect?

SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
I don't really know that I had an expectation.
I think more so I had limitedknowledge.

SPEAKER_04 (04:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (04:36):
And I hadn't really even sat and thought about it
until we began developing ourown app.

SPEAKER_04 (04:43):
Yeah.
All the time, money, and effortthat goes into it.

SPEAKER_02 (04:46):
Well, yeah, I mean, you think uh there's two
different viewpoints on it, youknow, the end user experience of
what the app looks like on theuser side.
And I live in kind of that worldmost of the time because as the

(05:06):
creative director and gavemyself a new title.
After the um board meeting, I'llbe giving myself a raise.

SPEAKER_04 (05:17):
Okay.
Two times zero is still zero.

SPEAKER_02 (05:23):
Um, but anyway, so I stay on that side of things uh
most of the time, creating uh,you know, the illustrations, and
like I said, right now I'm doingthe clothing line for the
avatars.
I'll move into um the uhfurniture and choices like that.
For the cottage.

(05:44):
Uh, I think what happens with meis when we have our developer
meetings once or twice a week,and they show me their back end
screen.
That's been the biggest uh Iguess educational moment of what
is inteled on the back side ofthings.

SPEAKER_00 (06:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
It doesn't my illustration then does not look
like an actual illustration whenyou look at the back end.

SPEAKER_04 (06:12):
It's just like all these random weird letters and
dashes and dots and squarenumbers.

SPEAKER_02 (06:21):
And um so it's like, oh, okay, so all those weird
hydroglyphs they be they be inmy they are like the
illustration that I actuallysee.
So for me it was kind of anawakening moment of well, it's

(06:41):
actually three experiences.

SPEAKER_04 (06:42):
There's three things that goes on.
You have the back door, you haveback end coding, you have the
user interface and the userexchange.
So there's three you you'recreating user interface.

unknown (06:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (06:52):
The coders create the the co the back end coding,
and then the other part of theteam does the user ex or user
exchange or interface.
Yeah.
So the thing that communicatesbetween those two things.

SPEAKER_02 (07:04):
Oh, I see.
I see.
So they're taking theillustration.
Part of the team is making itinto words that will take the
illustration into computerlanguage.

SPEAKER_04 (07:16):
Yeah, they had change and adapt and make them
vectors or whatever so they canbe coded.

SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
And then there's another part of the team that
actually is linking those twotogether.
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah.
Yeah, see, that's a whole notherarea that I didn't know anything
about.

SPEAKER_04 (07:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (07:31):
But that's not you have U, UI, UX.

SPEAKER_04 (07:34):
So you have those three things that go on.

SPEAKER_02 (07:36):
I recognize the I've learned a ton about it.

SPEAKER_04 (07:41):
Acronyms.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
And I know that you guys use them often, but I'm
still learning.
And wow.

SPEAKER_04 (07:50):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
But it is.

SPEAKER_02 (07:53):
It is pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (07:54):
This conversation kind of falls right into my
topic today.

SPEAKER_02 (07:57):
And what I what I uh what I realized too is that we
spend our day, we're actuallyputting in most of the time more
hours in our workday currentlyuh than we did on our J O B, but

(08:17):
it doesn't feel like work.
I s I sometimes feel guiltybecause I think, wow, I'm just
sitting around creating all thisfun stuff, and it just doesn't
even feel like work.
And so I'm like, golly, I don'treally feel like I'm doing
anything.
But I will look up and it'llI'll have worked like through

(08:39):
lunch and not even realized it,or even some days work through
supper and it I look up and it'sdark outside, and I'm like,
okay, you know what?
We I come to you and I'll say,Okay, listen, we gotta stop and
eat supper.
We didn't eat lunch.

SPEAKER_04 (08:53):
Right.
Yeah, I know, right?
We had we're like literallystuck in this one meal a day
thing.
We keep we keep end up doingthat, and we'll come four or
five o'clock and be like, we'rehungry, right?

SPEAKER_02 (09:02):
Yeah, it's not out of like torture, it doesn't feel
torture.
It's kind of like we're justenjoying where we're at and and
in the now, and it just kind ofhappens.

SPEAKER_04 (09:14):
Right.
Like yesterday you were talkingabout you know, the value we
were talking about the value ofwhat we've done, and it's
astronomical.

SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (09:22):
I mean I mean three to six hundred thousand dollars
that we have done well.
That's how you probably all ofit.

SPEAKER_02 (09:29):
So, what you're talking about is the
conversation we had yesterdaywhere I was feeling like on
those days when we've got to gohave meetings with the
community, like marketing, orlike we gotta go to the bank and
do something or or whatever.
The business side, the businessside of things.

(09:52):
I I sometimes will make thecomment I didn't get anything
done.

SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (09:56):
But I'm steadily working on my phone, you know,
creating illustrations and doingdifferent things while all
that's going on.
But I forget to realize thatthose meetings are still valid
parts of the business and stillremember to count them as
business hours, yeah.

(10:18):
Rather than shortchanging myselfand saying, Oh, you didn't get
enough done today, so it'sdevalued almost.
Right.
And so stopping to realize thatall of that has value.
And so what you're talking aboutis uh we ran a little

(10:40):
analyzation or I did throughchat, and um because I sometimes
sit around and think, okay, mostof this stuff I'm doing.

SPEAKER_04 (10:52):
You asked me, do they even use it?

SPEAKER_02 (10:54):
Right.
It's really so from myperspective, I I think, okay,
you know what?
I know I'm just goofing aroundand playing, or that's how it
feels to me.
Right.
When I do these illustrationsand things.
And in my mind, I'm doing it sothat they have an understanding
of what's in my brain, trying toget it out so everybody's on the

(11:15):
same page of the the tone, thecharacters, what I want it to
feel like, that kind of thing.
And I did.
I asked you, I said, Did theyeven use the illustrations that
I create?
Is it even being helpful otherthan just setting the tone?
Um, because again, it was mefinding value in what I was
doing.

SPEAKER_04 (11:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (11:36):
And your conversation back to me was
quite epiphenal in that uh yousaid, yeah, they it's the base
structure, and then they justtake and clean it up a little
bit and tweak it.

SPEAKER_04 (11:50):
Well, they sent you an image.

SPEAKER_02 (11:51):
They don't have to recreate it or even create it
initially.
It's already created.
They just give their littlepolishing up of it.
That made me look at it from awhole different perspective as
far as what I was doing.
I was like, oh, okay, so whatI'm doing is useful.

(12:12):
We all want to feel useful whenwe're doing things.
Right.
And what I'm doing is isactually useful and beneficial.
So then I said, okay, well, youknow what?
What uh I had chat run somestatistics for me on what if I
were being paid to do what I'mdoing, what does that number

(12:37):
look like?
And I was quite floored at thenumbers that she put forth that
I just just the part that I'mdoing saving the company money
on developing this app, not tomention the things you're doing.
So then I was like, well, let merun the uh information through

(12:59):
on what all you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 (13:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (13:02):
Um, because you know, on your side of things,
you've taught yourself how tocode, how to put the website
together, coming up with, youknow, the the stories and the
wording and the stuff for thelegal part of it.
And so I put all that into chat,and the two of us together are

(13:22):
saving the company so much moneyby doing what we're doing, and
it just doesn't even feel likework.

SPEAKER_04 (13:30):
Yeah, I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 (13:32):
It is it is so um it's quite a pipinal moment, and
it's so amazing when you finallyfigure out a uh when you go into
that place and you figure outwhat your joy is, and then you
figure out a way to make it intosomething creative that um it

(13:57):
pays you to do it.

SPEAKER_04 (13:59):
You know, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 (14:00):
It's a complete twist of uh a turnaround from
the J O B and the work.
I actually wrote an articleabout it um that I'll be putting
on the on the blog of changingthat word work.
It it turned it into an acronym.

(14:21):
Um instead of it being work andit being kind of that negative
connotation, I gotta go to work.

SPEAKER_04 (14:26):
Right.
Um you know the the topic that Ihave for the podcast today that
we're already 20 minutes into.

SPEAKER_02 (14:37):
Well, everything everything has uh place.

SPEAKER_04 (14:41):
Right, it kind of fits right into all this.
Actually, it's about uh how doyou fit you into your life into
your life?

SPEAKER_02 (14:47):
How do you fit you into your life into your life?

SPEAKER_04 (14:52):
Because we have for the longest time as humans we're
taught that we're supposed tomake sure that everything else
is taken care of.
We've got to go, you know, wehave to have a house, two and a
half kids, a car, and a job, andyou're taking care of everything
else, but we always forget tofit us into that into our own
life.

SPEAKER_02 (15:11):
Nice.
So, real quick, work.
It's an acronym.

SPEAKER_04 (15:15):
Don't give it away, it's gonna be on the blog.
Oh, towards self.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (15:27):
Anyway, I just wanted to share that.

SPEAKER_04 (15:29):
That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 (15:31):
You can find that article in the next coming days.

SPEAKER_04 (15:34):
Do the edge and back by Dr.
Ginny.

SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
To the Edge and Back, man.

SPEAKER_04 (15:38):
It's on blogger.com.

SPEAKER_03 (15:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:41):
But the you know, the we you're sitting there
giving examples of how you havelearned to fit you into your
life.

SPEAKER_00 (15:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:49):
And we get taught, you know, in many different
aspects of all this other stuff.
Like, you know, especially as asmoms, you're taught to take care
of the kids first and take careof the house and take care of
the husband, and the husband'staught to take care of the house
and and take care of the wifeand the kids and the blah blah
blah.
You know, we're all taught butwe always forget to take care of
ourselves and inject ourselvesinto our own lives.

SPEAKER_03 (16:10):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (16:11):
And it it can it can when you get caught up in that
loop, it hides reality from you.

SPEAKER_03 (16:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (16:18):
You know, uh and what brings it to light is me
and this blood pressure issuethat I keep having that's not
really an issue, this bloodpressure thing I'm dealing with.
You know, I was just goingthrough life and not even
looking at what I was doing.
And and so I'm you know it itbrought I wasn't injecting
myself into my own life.

SPEAKER_02 (16:39):
I see.
Say more.

SPEAKER_04 (16:41):
And so, like, for example, um let's see here what
I want to talk about in thisissue.
So like I discovered that you'renot supposed to use albuterol
and rescue inhaler that much.
And that's normally that kind ofstuff I would look at.
But because I was so caught upin everything else and not even

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living in my own life, I justwent through the motions.

SPEAKER_02 (17:08):
So when you say not living in your own life, what do
you feel like you were doing?
I was just saying expound on alittle bit more on that.
What did it mean there wasmoments?

SPEAKER_04 (17:20):
Like like don't confuse it with there were there
were moments of that we wereliving our life and we were
living within our life, but wedon't do it consistently like we
do for everybody else oreverything else.
And uh So say more about that.
Um, like we went on vacationtogether, and that was a great
vacation.
We had a good time.

(17:41):
That was us living in our lifein our in our own life.
But what I guess the best way toto explain what I'm trying to
put out there is whatever we doin our life, we get caught up in
these cycles.

SPEAKER_03 (17:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (17:57):
And we will continuously, you know, like
every single day, I get up inthe morning at five o'clock, I
make the coffee, I make sure thethe cats get their treats, I go
through this daily or singleritual every single day.
But what I don't do is I uh whatI'm what I didn't do was do
something for me.

SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
Right.
So if I may, yes, you may umI'll I'll help you break it
down.

SPEAKER_04 (18:21):
Break it, break it.
We can we can we can we canwhat?

SPEAKER_02 (18:23):
Yeah, so what you're describing to me sounds like
you're in a subconscious uhroutine pattern, which is what
most people find themselves in.
They just subconsciously,robotically go through their
day.
They get up, they get ready forwork, they go get their
Starbucks, they drive to work,same, they usually take the same

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track uh to work, they clock in,they put their purse down, like
they're very creature of habitoriented, and they do that um so
much that it creates a habit,and you just kind of do that on
autopilot without even having tothink about it.

(19:10):
Right.
Because you've done it so much.
Correct.
Then you come home, you pick thekids up, you uh, you know, do
the dishes maybe so you can cooksubscriptions.
Make sure you get them going ontheir homework, and you know,
you and I live that life.

SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (19:27):
Our ourselves.
And then maybe get them into bedafter their bath, do a load of
laundry, get everybody's stuffset up and ready for the next
day so you can get up and do itall over again.

SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (19:40):
And but in that, where did you take time to
really be in the now, be presentin your own reality, and give
yourself permission to read abook or meditate, or just check

(20:01):
in with yourself?
How do I feel?
Right, how do I physically feel?
How do I mentally feel?
How do I emotionally feel?
Am I doing for me time to checkin with me and ask myself, am I
as happy as I can be?

SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (20:20):
Am I doing things that bring me joy?
Am I uh giving myself space totake that 30-minute bath because
I enjoy it soaking?

SPEAKER_04 (20:36):
Right.
Well, you see, that's wherethere are so many things out
there that give examples.
And I and I will I'm gonna callout everybody that listened to
this.
You are not taking care of you.

SPEAKER_02 (20:45):
Listen to your phone.

SPEAKER_04 (20:47):
You are you are are not living your life, and you're
not identifying yourself withinyour own lifestyle.
Because if everybody was doingit, we wouldn't have stuff like
all these things like uh girls'night out.

SPEAKER_03 (21:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:03):
We wouldn't have guys going to the golf course
together all the time becauseit's a guy's day.
Yeah.
You know, they're we're gonna goplay golf or whatever you want
to call it.

SPEAKER_02 (21:12):
And you know, all these if we were on video, you
guys would have just seen himlike click his head and kick his
hip out with his little airquote fingers in the sky doing
the air quote thing.

SPEAKER_04 (21:27):
You know, if we were taking you know, uh taking
accountability for us within ourown lifestyle and the things
that we want and say and do,then those things wouldn't
exist.
You would just be doing them.

SPEAKER_02 (21:40):
Right.
So so since we're playing in thegaming world, it's almost like
you're living life from firstperson and not stopping to look
at your life from the thirdperson overview to make sure
that you actually have plantedyourself in your own little

(22:05):
world that you've created andyou're actually interacting with
that world.

SPEAKER_04 (22:10):
Right.
You should be doing somethingfor yourself every single day.

SPEAKER_02 (22:13):
Yeah.
Like in the morning, I get up, Igo sit on my patio, and I get to
just sit there and play withnature and enjoy the weather and
drink my coffee.

SPEAKER_04 (22:24):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (22:25):
That's what I do every morning for myself.

SPEAKER_04 (22:28):
And it's your choice what it is.

SPEAKER_02 (22:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:29):
You know, as long as you're identifying that, hey,
you know, I chose this for metoday.

SPEAKER_03 (22:33):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (22:34):
Because, you know, that's what I was looking at.
I was so caught up over the lastfew years of making sure
everybody else's life was good,I forgot to take care of mine.

unknown (22:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:43):
And that's what happened.
That's where this whole thing isgoing on was because I didn't
take care of me, be ithealth-wise, be it lifestyle, be
it whatever the things that Iwant to do.
And, you know, there was momentslike everybody does it, like
they they plan one and a halfvacations a year, ones with the
kids, you know, they plan theholidays with the family, they

(23:04):
do those little things, but eventhose, those are just out of
habit in societal taught.
They're not impulsive, right?
They're not self-sustained.
Yeah, they're they're what youhave identified as what we're
supposed to do, which is thereason why you know Walt Disney
World is always packed on springbreak because that's what
everybody's supposed to do.

SPEAKER_03 (23:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (23:25):
Instead of going a week early and taking your kids
out of school a week early,which you can legally do, yeah,
and and just have them make upthe work during spring break,
the normal spring break.

SPEAKER_03 (23:35):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (23:35):
You know, there's uh there's always a way to do it to
identify yourself.
And we as humans get so caughtup in the mundane cycle, mundane
cycle of repetitive action.

SPEAKER_03 (23:48):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (23:48):
You know, like when we told everybody we were going,
we were leaving our job andgoing all in, everybody's like,
oh my God.
You know, it was like or or morelike, hey, we're leaving our job
and doing this.

SPEAKER_02 (24:00):
Yeah, that's the screeching noise of oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 (24:05):
Oh my god, I could never do that.

SPEAKER_02 (24:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:08):
Well, um well, you should.

SPEAKER_02 (24:10):
I have gotten that though my whole life.
I have been that way my entirelife.
Right.
When it's time to move on, Ijust get up and move on.
And I've had so many people,including my family, uh label me
as the black sheep that'll neverbe anything because when I when

(24:30):
it's time to move.
Right.
I did.
I always and I even had mysister one time come to me and
we we had uh exchange of someemotional words, and she was
like, No, I don't hate you.
I'm jealous of you because youalways find a way to do exactly

(24:53):
what you want to be doing, andyou're not caught up in that rut
of staying in the same job job,and I'm jealous of you for being
able to come to a place whereyou can get up and go do
something different.
I want to be able to do that,and I'm like, we'll just do it.

(25:13):
Oh, I can't, I can't.
This, this, this, this.
So yeah, I've always I livedthat way, and I firmly believe
everybody gets to that point intheir life somewhere.

SPEAKER_04 (25:24):
Oh where they're like you know, like I remember
when my grandfather retired andhe he literally went and learned
how to fly a plane and then flewhim and grandma to Europe.

SPEAKER_03 (25:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:36):
And I was in his like fourth, you know, he had to
take an experienced pilot withhim, but they still did it.

SPEAKER_03 (25:43):
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (25:44):
And you know, he it was it was a pretty uh crazy
ride to watch him expand.
And you know, he went he did allsorts of things.
He went skydiving.
Yeah, you know, he went anddone.

SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
Well, you and I, even in our lives prior to each
other, have done some prettyincredible things, and then
coming together, we've done somepretty amazing things.
And so when we talk to people,they're they find it hard to
believe that in our young agewe've done so many different
things.

(26:16):
But that's that's why and that'show because I'm a dumb old
redneck, man.

SPEAKER_04 (26:20):
I do all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
We don't let the mundane routine of things
sideswipe us into that loop ofnot going and trying things and
doing things.
And like if we decide we want todo something, we just go
freaking do it, man.

SPEAKER_04 (26:37):
Yeah, you know, I but even back in the day, I was
still a creature of habit.
I was as well.
No, I remember every single dayI would walk in my office and my
secretary would be standingthere holding my coffee and a
donut as I walked in the door.

SPEAKER_02 (26:50):
Was it a blueberry cake donut?

SPEAKER_04 (26:53):
It was a blueberry cake donut.
She would do it too much.

SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
I would have won the newlywed game just then.

SPEAKER_04 (26:58):
There was many times that I would I I as I'm walking
in, I see her get around thedesk and she has it in her hand
and she just waits for me towalk by.
I grab it, I keep on going.
There were so many times thatactually happened.

SPEAKER_02 (27:09):
Was it black coffee with two ice cubes?

SPEAKER_04 (27:11):
Yeah, of course.
You know it was.
That's what I always do.
But very much a mundane creatureof habit.
But now that I've it's broughtto my awareness, because I'm,
you know, I've always been thatathletic guy when I have
football officiated and all thatstuff.

SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (27:27):
And when I'm dealing with a little bit of a health
thing, it just drives me insaneand my monkey mind goes crazy.
And and so when I was in theshower this morning, I'm like,
well, I mean, what do you expectwhen you what to expect when you
don't expect it?
Yeah.
And that's what that that'swhere I was, because I went
checking him in myself.

SPEAKER_02 (27:48):
Sounds like the name of a good book.

SPEAKER_04 (27:50):
Yep.
How to expect the unexpected orsomething like that.

SPEAKER_02 (27:53):
What to expect when you don't expect it.

SPEAKER_04 (27:56):
Yeah.
Dum dum dum.

SPEAKER_02 (27:58):
Somebody make a note of that.
I'll write a book for thattitle.

SPEAKER_04 (28:03):
But you know, the whole thing for me was is that
it was kind of like a littlebell went off.
Like, well, I mean, well heck,James.
What what what did you do tostop and say, What about James?

SPEAKER_02 (28:15):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (28:17):
Because I never did.
Never did I never have.
Really?

SPEAKER_02 (28:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:21):
I've I've always made it about everybody else.
Yeah.
I can remember one decision inmy life that was about me.
And that was it.
And that's what I went through.
I was going through that listthis morning.
That's why you asked, you know,I was in my monkey mind because
I was going through that listtoday.

SPEAKER_03 (28:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:34):
I can I can literally name one decision that
is fully was 100% a selfishdecision that I made.

SPEAKER_02 (28:41):
See, and there's the trip-up.
A selfish decision.

SPEAKER_04 (28:44):
In a positive way.
I'm not calling it negative.
I'm saying, but I'm buteverybody would view it as
selfish.

SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
That's why I called it a trip-up.

SPEAKER_04 (28:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:51):
Because the definition of selfish has a very
negative connotation.
And that's what trips people up.
Yes.
They have been taught that ifthey do things for themselves
and not for the others, selfish,selfish, self-centered bastard.
You're so selfish.

(29:13):
I can't believe you're gonna dothat.
What about me?
What about me?

SPEAKER_04 (29:17):
And so, you know, what I had to tell myself to be
selfish.
I agree.
It's okay to take care of youand be you and do you.

SPEAKER_02 (29:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (29:24):
What I had to do this morning was make it okay
within my head and to givemyself permission to be what I
am, who I am, how I am, and makesure that I'm checking in with
that on a regular basis andmaking sure that I'm living this
life for me.

SPEAKER_03 (29:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (29:42):
And it's not a hard, not an easy thing to do.
It can be, you know, it can beit's hitting it, bumping up with
some beliefs.

SPEAKER_02 (29:49):
Right.
And changing that habit.

SPEAKER_04 (29:52):
Yeah, and making it intentionally.

SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
Yep.
It's a deep-seated habit.
I think what helped me, anddon't get me wrong, I get
tripped up in it as well.
But you know, what changed itfor me is when I went to nursing
school, they actually teach alevel of that concept.
And nursing school nursingschool when I went back in the

(30:18):
day was very much stilldesigned.
Designed like military.
Yeah.
It's a military-based conceptand program.
And so what they taught was Ican't help anybody if I am not
safe.

SPEAKER_01 (30:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:34):
And so they taught, you know, scene observation,
make sure you're safe first,make sure the scene is safe to
go on to, and then go in andtake care of the patient.
Because if something happens toyou, then there's two patients.
And the scene is not safe, thenyou both end up critically

(30:56):
wounded or even dead.
And uh for me, that was uh whatchanged the word selfish.
It kind of gave me permission inmy life to redefine that word
for me because that that'scompletely right, and it plays
into regular life, civilianlife, even if you're not a
nurse, is you know, if you'redepleted physically, mentally,

(31:19):
energetically, or emotionally,you're not gonna be everything
you want to be to others anyway.
Right.
If you're a healer, coach,helper, whatever, whatever your
thing is that you do, you're notgonna be much uh help if you're
depleted.

(31:40):
Right.
And so you have to be selfishand make sure that you're uh
tending to your own garden anduh keeping it balanced.
And I don't just mean keepingyourself physically healthy or
mentally healthy, I mean doing abalanced uh uh concept, you
know, making sure that you stopand have joy, making sure that

(32:03):
you stop and um plug yourselfinto your own freaking reality
and taking time for yourself.
If you're tired today, then stopand rest.
If you're find yourself craving,uh, you know, listen, I feel I
feel like I want to do somethingfun, then listen to that nudge
and go figure out what that isand do it for a minute.

SPEAKER_04 (32:26):
You know, that's and I had to go back and work
through some things that I hadidentified as fun that was like
fun for me.
Like I used to do those annualmeetings I would take my
managers to to a club in Dallas.
And I was identifying that asmine, as I was did it.
And it was all about business.
It wasn't really for me.

(32:47):
Did I have fun?
Yeah, I had fun, but it wouldn'tit wasn't a typical thing I
would have chosen to do.

SPEAKER_03 (32:52):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (32:53):
And so it was like a different I labeled those things
wrong, and cause so I wentthrough my life thinking I was
doing things for me when Ireally wasn't.
There was always a secondarycategory or agenda for that
event or for that no non-event,whatever it is.
Yeah, you know, like I I hearmoms, you know, all the time

(33:16):
say, Oh, I can't, I've got totake care of the kids.

SPEAKER_02 (33:18):
That's a big one.
Whenever you become a parent,yeah, everything seems to be
wrapped around what the kids do,and we forget as parents to
still take time for ourselves,and that everything you do does
not have to include the child.

SPEAKER_00 (33:36):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (33:36):
The child will be okay if you go and do something
that you want to do.

SPEAKER_04 (33:44):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
But when we become parents, we think, oh my god,
I'm a bad parent if I leave themwith the grandparents or the
sitters so that I can go andhave a massage or sit quietly by
my favorite body of water in thepark or something, and I don't
have child in tow, I'm a badparent.

SPEAKER_04 (34:05):
I remember remember a a friend of mine and his wife.
You know, she literally once ortwice a year would go to Tahoe
with her girlfriend.

SPEAKER_03 (34:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:14):
And he absolutely was not allowed to go.

SPEAKER_03 (34:16):
Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:17):
Um, and I would and you know, of course, as humans
we're taught, oh, what are theydoing up there?
You know, they're going up thereand meeting their boys or
whatever, and that the jealousybone kicks in.

SPEAKER_02 (34:27):
And turning it into some m bullshit thing of they're
doing something wrong.

SPEAKER_04 (34:35):
Right.
Like I actually asked him onetime.
Because he would he would say,you know, you think she's got a
boyfriend up there?
Or that kind of stuff, you know.
And I'd be like, Well, go upthere and check it out.
Oh no, she divorced me for that.
That's that's her time.

SPEAKER_03 (34:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:47):
And I'd be like, Then why are you asking me
stupid questions?

SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (34:52):
If you think she's cheating on you, you she's gonna
divorce you anyway, and if yougo up there, she's gonna divorce
you anyway.
So d either quiet the monkeymind, deal with it, have fun, go
do your time while she's gonefor three or four days, whatever
it is.

SPEAKER_03 (35:05):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (35:06):
And or or tote your ass up there.
Or tote your ass up there andcheck it out.

SPEAKER_03 (35:10):
Check it out.

SPEAKER_04 (35:11):
Well, what if she's not?
Well then quit doing that toyourself.
And so that's the that's theprocess by which we work as
humans.
We will so not let ourselvesenjoy us, enjoy ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 (35:26):
Or the reality that you've created.

SPEAKER_04 (35:29):
And anybody that says that their joy is based
upon the helping others islying.

SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
Lying, tigers and bears.

SPEAKER_04 (35:38):
They are lying to themselves.

SPEAKER_02 (35:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (35:41):
Because your joy does not come from somebody
else's joy.

SPEAKER_03 (35:44):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (35:44):
Even though I don't care what you do.

SPEAKER_03 (35:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (35:47):
Because you have to stop and say, what isn't my joy?

SPEAKER_03 (35:51):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (35:52):
Where what is it that makes me happy?
Because you're not you're you'reyou're slowly depleting
yourself.
Slowly or and slowly and slowly,the little that little number is
fading.

SPEAKER_02 (36:04):
Yeah, that health gauge.

SPEAKER_04 (36:05):
Until you reinstill yourself because you are not as
good you're not as 100% good foranybody until you're 100% good
for yourself.

SPEAKER_03 (36:13):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (36:14):
And and so it's like a it and it can be a trap, man.
You just gotta you just gottareally pay attention to it.
Don't fall for the for the allthe slogans, the gotta take care
of the kids, or you know, I haveto work on Saturdays or whatever
that is.
Yeah who cares, find time.

SPEAKER_02 (36:29):
Yeah, if we go down the rabbit hole with it, you
know, all of those littlesayings and adages were created
uh, you know, long before wecame along to keep society in
that um factory mindset, stayingwith the same company, doing the
same thing, getting everybodyprogrammed into that robotic,

(36:52):
second nature, going through themotions mindset so that they had
so that the big companies hadless turnover, more people
staying for the pension.
Yep.
Um, they didn't want people totake time for themselves and
contemplate and you know,meditate and be creative.

(37:14):
They didn't want that, right?
Because it took them out of ithad the opportunity to bring
them into a place of, oh, damn,this is boring.
I stand here all day longputting this shit in this box on
this conveyor belt.
This is not what I fucking wantmy life to look like.
Right, right.
And the minute that somebodypops out of that template, then

(37:36):
it had the potential of shakingthe whole system up and the they
losing control of everything.
Yeah.
And so the rabbit hole conceptis is that through the
generations, you know, we'vebeen nicely programmed that this
is just like what life lookslike.

(37:57):
Right.
And, you know, interestinglyenough, I think the generation
that came after us was a littlemore on the other side of that,
of wanting to work from home,wanting to come out of that
paradigm, so to speak.
Yeah.
And then I think, moreinterestingly enough, I think

(38:19):
COVID helped shift the scale ofuh everybody having to segregate
and be confined to their house.
I think the government createdthat to regain control, but I
think what it did is it turnedaround and it bit them in the
butt.

SPEAKER_01 (38:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (38:38):
And it made everybody realize and come to
this realization that, hey, youknow what?
Because we had to get creativeand figure out how to still do
our jobs, but we couldn't go tothe office anymore.
We've now realized that our jobcan actually be done from home.
Yeah.
And a lot of people did not wantto come back to the office after
COVID.

(38:58):
They wanted to continue to workfrom home.

SPEAKER_04 (39:00):
I know there's some jobs that still aren't.

SPEAKER_02 (39:02):
That's right.
That's what I was gonna say.
There are some of them thatstill just work from home, and
companies are finding out thatit actually is costing them less
in their overhead and theiroverall expenditure to allow the
people to work from home.
So they're embracing it now.

SPEAKER_01 (39:22):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (39:23):
And it's kind of putting the government in a bit
of a tailspin, and everything isbeing like the whole grid is
being reconstructed and movingus towards coming out of that
robotic mindset of not thinkingfor yourself.
Right.

(39:43):
Just going into that secondnature, get up, go to work,
drive to work, fight thetraffic, blah, blah, blah, blah,
barf me blah um mindset.
Because you gotta be successful,and you can't be successful
unless you be in the same joband wait for your pension.

(40:04):
And I mean, hell these days, Idon't even think pensions exist.
They don't.

SPEAKER_04 (40:08):
It's all 401k very hardly ever.
I mean, there's a couple ofcompanies that still do it, like
Verizon still does it.

SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
And I'm sure probably the government jobs.

SPEAKER_04 (40:18):
You know, the the other part of that too is when
you think for yourself likethis, moving around and doing
different things that make youhappy is a whole lot less
thought.

SPEAKER_02 (40:28):
Well, yeah, it's kind of like being a kid again.
I mean, if you take a kid into aplayroom and they've got this
playroom full of toys and youjust observe what they're doing,
right?
You'll watch them, they'll playwith this toy for a little
while, and then the energyfades.
So then they'll move to thesandbox and they'll play with

(40:50):
that for a minute.
I only had one toy.
And then they'll listen, we'renot here to talk about your sob
story of being poor or whatever.
So um, but if you just watchthem, they'll move about the toy
room and they'll play with thisone for a while, and they'll
play with that one for a while.

SPEAKER_04 (41:08):
And oh, they'll throw them all out of the box
and then get crawl inside thebox.

SPEAKER_02 (41:12):
Yeah, exactly.
But then what you'll also noticeis is that if you don't
interrupt them and you're justsilently watching them, when
they get tired, they literallywill fall asleep in the floor of
the playbook.
And lay down right there, take alittle nap because that was the
next joyful thing that theyneeded to do.

SPEAKER_00 (41:31):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (41:32):
Then, you know, while they're napping, you bring
their little celery sticks andtheir little dread cereal and
their little cup and put it ontheir little table.
They'll munch and nibble as theyplay in their room, and it can
it'll end up being a whole dayof play, and you're just like
putting their food on theirlittle table in their cage.

SPEAKER_04 (41:52):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (41:53):
I have done that with my own children and watched
them observe them in theirlittle play area.
They just go through and theynavigate the whole room and uh
doing their thing.
There's no rules and no, oh mygod, I haven't played with this
one in 5.5 minutes, so I've gotto go back and play with this

(42:14):
one.
And if you take and you kind oflive your life in that way,
that's what we mean by findingthe next thing that brings you
that little moment of joy.
It can be absolutely anythingthing.
And whenever you're goingthrough your life doing that,

(42:36):
that's when it's a big gamechanger, man.
It's just a game changer.
Yeah, it helps you strip awaythe have-to's, the shoulds, the
must-do's, the task listconcept.
And then you know, I get it.
There's I can hear the buzz now.
How do we do that when we'realready trapped in a nine to

(42:57):
five?
You know, you gotta start small.
If you've created this whole umsubconscious lifestyle where
you're not plugging yourself in,you take it in baby steps.

SPEAKER_04 (43:10):
Well, I can tell people the easiest way to get
out of working for somebodyelse.
And this is a little bit withoutjumping off the cliff and having
to go broke is is empoweryourself to do more than one
thing at a time.
Because that's where that'swhere a lot of people they get
caught.
Oh, I work 40 hours a week here,I'm a father, a mother, and you
know, I have eight hours atchurch on Sunday.

(43:31):
And so they they talk themselvesinto not having time to do
something else.
And if there's something youlove joy and enjoy doing, then
start small.

SPEAKER_02 (43:42):
Work it into the schedule, work it into your
schedule.

SPEAKER_04 (43:44):
Like you know, like uh the guy that I know that's
known him for a long time, he drhe loves to draw.
He always wanted to be anartist.

unknown (43:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (43:54):
And but he had quit drawing because he didn't have
time.

SPEAKER_00 (43:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (43:59):
You know, he had already labeled himself as I
work 45 hours a week, uh blahblah blah blah blah blah blah.
And I'm like, well, you justtake you start with one hour.

unknown (44:09):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (44:09):
Find yourself one hour, even if it's or one minute
or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (44:12):
I mean, some people won't even allow themselves to
find an hour.

SPEAKER_04 (44:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:16):
If it's five minutes to just sit and do that one
thing, you may even have to youmay even be the kind of person
that can only do it five minutesat a time or ten minutes at a
time.
I heard that start somewherethough.

SPEAKER_04 (44:32):
I heard Zig Ziglar actually lecture on this many
years ago about how people cantransition from one thing to the
next much easier when they dotwo things.
A is they they commit two hoursa week to whatever their idea is
that they're coming up with.
And they pay themselves a dollarfor every minute into their
savings account that they spenddoing it.

(44:54):
And they start prioritizing it.

SPEAKER_02 (44:56):
Yeah, but I can hear the buzz of I don't have a
dollar.

SPEAKER_04 (45:00):
Well, yeah, that I mean that's what you know we
mean.
Well, you know, that's whatthat's what he no it was in the
lecture about you're you're theonly person that's saying you're
broke.

SPEAKER_02 (45:11):
And I get the concept.
I get it.

SPEAKER_04 (45:13):
Right.
Even if you even if it's apenny.
Pay yourself a penny.

SPEAKER_02 (45:17):
Or do this.
This is something that Iactually did.
I couldn't conceptualize when itwas just me and my two children
of our blended family um payingmyself money to do that because
everything had all of thedollars had places where they

(45:39):
went.
So what I did is when I wanted anew something or another, shoes,
shirt, whatever, I gave it avalue, whatever it cost at the
store.
$40 shirt that I wouldn'tnormally buy because the kids
are more important and uh, youknow, that$40 will buy each of

(46:00):
them, uh whatever.
Well, so when I found somethingthat I wanted to buy and it was,
you know,$40,$40, then I I knowyours.

SPEAKER_04 (46:11):
Go ahead and tell your system.
I know your system.
The envelope system.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 (46:15):
I know the envelope system came along a little later
after that.
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (46:20):
It was Jar, wasn't it?
Mason Jarge or something.

SPEAKER_02 (46:22):
I did the envelope system later on, yeah, but that
was based on the uh what's hisguy's name?
Uh, Dave Ramsey can be a back inthe day.
Throwback.

SPEAKER_04 (46:33):
What a way to contain yourself.

SPEAKER_02 (46:35):
Instead of putting a dollar a minute into a savings
account concept.
Whenever I had done that, Ididn't put it in a savings
account.
I gave myself permission to gobuy the shirt.

SPEAKER_04 (46:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Yeah, same kind of concept.

SPEAKER_02 (46:51):
It is the same concept, but instead of just I
it wasn't rewarding to me to see$40 in my savings account.

SPEAKER_04 (47:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (47:01):
Like I needed something tangible to give
myself a reward.

SPEAKER_04 (47:05):
Like I got a neighbor one time that he was
tired of working.
He he worked in some factory.
He worked in a he worked in acabinet factory.
And he loved mowing his lawn.

SPEAKER_03 (47:14):
Oh, really?
Yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_04 (47:16):
He just loved it.
He loved mowing and weed eatingand and taking care of his
flowers.
And you know, he would talkabout, you know, maybe you guys
should start a landscapebusiness.
And I was like, well, why don'tyou?

SPEAKER_02 (47:24):
If you all had video right now, you would see me
turning up my nose and making avery ugly face.
But not at all.

SPEAKER_04 (47:31):
He's like, Oh man, it takes so much money to do it.
I was like, start somewhere.
Put a hundred bucks here, fivebucks there, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 (47:37):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (47:37):
Start somewhere and get it built up.
And then like 18 months later orso, he pulled up with this
magnet on the side of his truckwith a trailer.
It had a medium quality mower,push mower, weed eater and
blower.
And he was like, he honked hishorn.

SPEAKER_02 (47:53):
He's like, Look, look at me now.

SPEAKER_04 (47:57):
And I'm like, Well, great.
Do you have any contracts?
Yes.
And he, you know, I assumed thathe had gone out and got
contracts before he went andbought all this stuff.
And he's like, Nope.
I'm like, he's I'm like, so uhwhen are you gonna start you
like mowing the weekends?
He's like, nope, I quit my jobyesterday.

unknown (48:12):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 (48:12):
Oh my god, you went all in.
Great.
You know, I was that's what Iwas excited for him.

SPEAKER_03 (48:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (48:17):
And so I hired him to do my own.

SPEAKER_03 (48:18):
Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (48:19):
And so I I was his first contract, but and he grew
into a very large company.

SPEAKER_02 (48:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (48:25):
Large commercial company, actually.

SPEAKER_02 (48:27):
Probably very quickly too, because he was
doing one of his passion.

SPEAKER_04 (48:30):
He loved it because he was and he was really good
with flowers and things, and youknow, which I killed all of
them.
And so I I mean I used to payhim to come over and do my hard
anyway.
And so I just signed a contractwith him.
And uh, but it was really coolto watch him grow, you know, and
and within probably a year hehad like five or six crews.

SPEAKER_01 (48:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (48:48):
It was insane.
He was just taken off, hadcommercial contracts and
everything.
He was uh he did a great job,but it's that's the kind of
thing that I'm talking about, isis finding finding your life
within your own life.

SPEAKER_03 (49:02):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (49:03):
And that's what people have to do.
We have to refocus ourselves onus.
Yes, I mean I'm not saying don'tcare for anybody, you know,
don't take it way too extremefor in your human monkey minds.
What I'm saying is, right?

SPEAKER_02 (49:15):
Don't be an egotistical, pompous ass and
just go around being shitty andrude to other people.

SPEAKER_04 (49:20):
It's all about me in life.
What I'm saying is it's okay tomake time for yourself and check
in with you.
Even if you do it once a monthfor an hour, even you know,
whatever you can do.
Yeah, find time to identify youwithin your own life, become
part of your life.

SPEAKER_03 (49:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:38):
Instead of making your life about everybody else.

SPEAKER_03 (49:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:42):
When you'll do that, make it anything health, wealth,
happiness, hobbies, whateverthat is.

SPEAKER_03 (49:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:47):
Make it make it all about a moment in time just
about you.

SPEAKER_03 (49:51):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (49:52):
Because and I think you'll find your self-worth will
climb astronomically.

SPEAKER_02 (49:56):
Well, yeah, and not only that, but you'll find uh
that the creative energy and thejuices of your creativity will
begin to flow, and you'll findother things that you never
imagined you would would end upfinding enjoyment out of.
And what I mean by that is, youknow, I always knew and had this

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internal notch that I wouldwrite a book.

SPEAKER_04 (50:23):
But I know you talked about it for years before
you and I was I'd always belike, well, go write it.

SPEAKER_02 (50:29):
And it just obviously one time.
But being stuck in that nine tofive kind of rut mentality,
robotic mindset, it kind ofstifled my creative flow.
This is all in the article, bythe way.
Nice.
And when you begin to giveyourself those little pockets of
time, you'll you'll find thatthere's a little more creativity

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that gets to bud and bloom.

SPEAKER_04 (50:55):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (50:55):
And then you'll do something and you'll be like, oh
my God, that was fun.
I never thought that I wouldenjoy doing that.
Like for me, creating theseillustrations, it started with
having to create after I wrotemy first book, creating the
front cover.

SPEAKER_04 (51:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (51:16):
So I went on and played with the um, I don't
remember what app I used, andplayed with that a little bit,
and I was like, oh, you knowwhat?
This is kind of fun.
I kind of like this.
So then I began to play.
And so now I just play with itall the time because I find such
enjoyment.
Like this morning while I washaving my coffee and you were in

(51:38):
the shower, I created a wholescene of the lakeside um
chronicles chronicles of thenature beings that I play with
in my in my little bubble whenI'm having coffee in the
morning.
Just for fun, I created a littleillustration of this lakeside

(52:00):
chronicle.
And one of the birds is Elvissinging to the fish in the lake.
And I mean, and I never wouldhave said if somebody had asked
me, do you like doing graphicdesigning or uh creative
illustrations?
I would have said, No, I don'tlike that.
I don't even know the firstthing about it.

(52:21):
And what I found on this newjourney that we're on is it is a
lot of freaking fun.
I enjoy it so much.

SPEAKER_01 (52:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:28):
Or even just writing my little articles, I enjoy that
immensely.
It's an opportunity for me tocry about my all this stuff that
lives in my head.

SPEAKER_04 (52:39):
There's a lot of that.
And I you know, I want to tellthe story of Thomas real quick
before we we're getting close tothe end.
But Thomas was a CPA that I hadmany years ago.
Vicky, my banker, introduced meto.
And he did all of my counting.
And the first time I met him,Vicky went with me and we went

(53:01):
over to his office and knockedon his door.
He's like, Come in.
And uh I walk in, I was like,Tommy.
And he's got a bow tie.
And he's just got thesuspenders, and he then he turns
around, he says, My name'sThomas.
Oh, sorry, Tommy.

SPEAKER_02 (53:17):
But anyway, so we're like so you turned right around
and called him Tommy again.

SPEAKER_04 (53:21):
Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_02 (53:22):
That sounds like you.

SPEAKER_04 (53:23):
And anyway, so uh we I ended up hiring him, you know,
because he was obviously reallygood at what he does, because
Vicky recommended him, and we wego through the motion, and he
becomes my accountant for years.
For years and years and years.
And then one day I was in hisoffice and his and as I noticed
on his desk he had a file andsticking on top of that file was

(53:43):
divorce papers.
I was like, Oh, Tommy.
Because he let he startedallowing me to call him Tommy.
You you good, man?
And uh he was he just like heturned, he starts crying.
He's like, My wife says that I'mjust too uptight.
I'm not any fun.

SPEAKER_00 (54:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (54:01):
And I was like, Well, you I mean, those two have
kind of like Christmas parties,they've been at we know that
I've known them now for years.

SPEAKER_03 (54:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (54:08):
And I was like, Well, that's not cool.
Let me, you know what, I tellyou what.
I want to can I call your wife?
And and so I sit and I I sitdown with Tommy and like Tommy,
he said, What do you explain tome what you're doing?
I calls her.
I call her that and that from myoffice that that afternoon, and
I have a conversation with her.
And she says, he's just souptight, man.

(54:30):
He's he's an accountant, youknow, those cold old
accountants.

unknown (54:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (54:35):
And she says, I'm tired of living this way.
I want to have fun.
Blah, blah, blah.
She at this time she wasprobably late 50s, early
sixties.

SPEAKER_03 (54:44):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (54:45):
And I was like, Well, okay, I'll tell you what,
I want you two to come meet me.
And I went and got Tommy,brought him to my office, and
right out in front of thebusiness park was a great big
fountain.
And Tommy, or I didn't go pickTommy up, but one of my people
picked Tommy up for me.

SPEAKER_02 (55:05):
One of your people.

SPEAKER_04 (55:06):
And Tommy and he he we me and his wife, I'm not
gonna name their names, butwe're standing on this side of
that fountain.
And Tommy gets out of the car onthe other side of the fountain
while it's still moving, and heruns and face dives into this
fountain.

SPEAKER_03 (55:25):
Did you tell him to do that?

SPEAKER_04 (55:26):
No, he did that completely on his own.
And he came up on the otherside, he bumped his head, his
head was bleeding, he came up onthe other side just laughing
like a teenager that just thatyou know, that had just got, you
know, the biggest trophy of hislife or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (55:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (55:40):
And then he gets up and does it again.
And his wife looks at me andshe's like, What got into him?
Did you talk to him?
I'm like, No, I didn't tell himto do any of this.
And so we go over there and he'sjust laughing.
He's literally that gut laugh,that true deep laughing.

SPEAKER_03 (55:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:56):
And he comes up, he's soaking wet, still got his
bow tie on.
And but the rest of him iscompletely down.
And I said, and I and I'm nevergonna I will never ever forget
what he said that day.
And he said, we know he calledhis wife's name.
You're right.
On the way over here, somebirdie told me in my ear, you

(56:16):
should just relax and have funand be a child again.
Because you've lost yourself inyour own self.

SPEAKER_03 (56:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:25):
And I was like, huh.
He takes his wife's hand andpulls her in the fountain with
him.

unknown (56:31):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 (56:33):
Did she find as he did?

SPEAKER_04 (56:35):
They're both laughing, and they're literally
sitting in the fountain throwingwater at each other for a good
20 minutes.
And uh and so I I walked over,got him a gift card, and told
him to go to dinner on me.
And uh, but they they literallysat there for two, three hours.

SPEAKER_02 (56:51):
In the fountain.

SPEAKER_04 (56:52):
In the fountain.

SPEAKER_02 (56:53):
And nobody got them in trouble.
That was my fountain.
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (56:57):
But nobody, nobody, you know, they just played in
this fountain.
That's all they did.
They played like twosix-year-old kids throwing water
at each other without a care inthe world.
Without a care in the world.

SPEAKER_02 (57:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:09):
And it saved their marriage.
It really stuck with me.

SPEAKER_02 (57:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:12):
And it was a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 (57:15):
In his own world.

SPEAKER_04 (57:16):
He did.
I lost myself in my own world.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (57:19):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (57:20):
We we can you can do that easily.
So I challenge everybody outthere to take five minutes and
identify where you are in yourown world.

SPEAKER_03 (57:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:26):
Where do you put yourself on that baking order?

SPEAKER_03 (57:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:29):
Because if you're not first, you're not going to
be first on anybody else's, andyou're definitely not giving
100% of yourself to help anybodyelse.

SPEAKER_02 (57:36):
That's right.
One of the things I do with myclients on occasion when they're
kind of in that mode is I'llpresent them with this question.
If the building is on fire, whoare the top five people that you
rescue?

SPEAKER_04 (57:56):
Mean myself and I.

SPEAKER_02 (57:58):
And nine times out of ten, they themselves are not
even on that list.

SPEAKER_04 (58:03):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I agree.

SPEAKER_02 (58:04):
And so I point that out to them.
And it really is kind of apivotal point of uh of their
healing and their uh coachingprocess is coming to the
realization that if it's acritical situation, you didn't
even put yourself on the list.

SPEAKER_04 (58:22):
Yeah, most of the time people don't at all.
They they just react and savethemselves anyway.
But because a lot of people theydon't know how they're gonna act
in that situation.

SPEAKER_02 (58:30):
Right.
It's a pretty but it's a programtotal mindset that I want them
to come to the realization andawareness of is that when
presented with the question, youdidn't even stop to put yourself
on the list at all, much less inthe top five.

SPEAKER_04 (58:47):
Right.
Yeah, it's it's right.

SPEAKER_02 (58:50):
And that's usually them not living in their own
reality, they're just literallygoing through it like a robot.

SPEAKER_04 (58:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (58:57):
Just humdruming and through the day, day in and day
out.

SPEAKER_04 (59:01):
Time clocks, watches, wall clocks should all
go away.
It would change life.

SPEAKER_02 (59:07):
I hey, listen, you don't you gotta tell me that I
don't live by them anyway,right?

SPEAKER_04 (59:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (59:13):
What what is it that you have to do to trick me so
that we are on time when we dohave no time?

SPEAKER_04 (59:18):
Tell you two hours early.

SPEAKER_02 (59:20):
Is it two now?
Wow.
Because it used to be like 30minutes, then it went to an
hour.

SPEAKER_04 (59:26):
It's never been 30 minutes because you you tell me,
yeah, just tell me 30 minutesearly, that way I'm on time.
And that's always been at leastan hour.
Always.
Really?
Oh, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_02 (59:35):
And you had did you have to learn that the hard way,
or did you just automatically Istill do it like yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 (59:40):
You're you come out there like do we have time?

SPEAKER_02 (59:45):
Yeah, because I'm thinking, okay, we gotta get
going and Well, that was Friday.

SPEAKER_04 (59:50):
I mean, I guess that was Friday, not yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 (59:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (59:53):
Because we had an appointment at the bank.

SPEAKER_02 (59:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (59:55):
Anyway, hey, hey, guys.
Uh I you feel complete?

SPEAKER_02 (59:59):
Yeah, I'm good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:00):
Thank you all for listening.
Um, like, follow, and share.
Hey, don't forget to go checkout the new web domain for the
phone app that we'll belaunching hopefully sometime
before the end of this year.
Pretty sure it will.
W.lucidiumworld.com.
That is lucid ium world.com.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:23):
Yeah, you've got that uh all kind of structured
out so they can see.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:27):
Yeah, you can kind of really get a really good flow
on it.
The map thing I'm still workingon a little bit, uh, but it's
gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:33):
It's gonna be the salty tarot migrated into the
Lucidium world.
She didn't go away.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:39):
That's right.
Lucidium Walt the Salty Tarot isin Lucidium World.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:42):
Yeah, she has her own parlor within the world.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:45):
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talking tarot, we're talkingruin, we're talking palm
reading, energy work, anypractitioner, any store or a
creator if you create things.

(01:01:05):
That's right.
Numerologist, anything.

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or any of that.

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Yeah, or even if you just sell it.

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Go ahead and send us a uh umcontact page that's on the the
home page of the website, sendus an email, and uh we can and I
will send you the information onit because there's gonna be a
place in this app where thepractitioners can go live
one-on-one with you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:35):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:35):
Of any modality.
You know, it is a paid server,just like uh like uh telehealth
that you have now for medical.
Now we're gonna have that formetaphysical.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:46):
That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:47):
And same thing with stores.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:48):
Yeah, and then for merchandise.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:50):
Yep, that's right.
And so it's gonna be it's uhit's it's an awesome thing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:55):
And you get discounts when you also if you
have educational uh moduleswhere you teach online, uh
there's a place in the librarywhere people can bring their
educational workshops and plugthose into the app as well where

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the end user can, while they'replaying the game, go through the
educational part of it.
We're morphing those two worldstogether.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:25):
Or you can just drop us an email at admin at
lucidiumworld.com.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:29):
Yep, so that we can look at your content and get you
going on that side of things.

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I don't know what happened.
But all of our YouTube stuff ison the Merc Centers YouTube
page.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:47):
Okay.

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Who knows?
Who knows?
I'll figure it out later.
But anyway, uh like, follow,share, and don't forget to ring
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SPEAKER_02 (01:02:59):
Love ya.