August 21, 2025 • 62 mins
What happens when we strip away the layers of societal conditioning around sex and intimacy? In this boundary-pushing conversation, we explore the profound disconnect between authentic sexual expression and the performance-based approach many of us have been taught.
The core revelation centers on a simple but revolutionary truth: sex does not equal love. This false equivalence has created generations of confusion, particularly for women who've been socialized to offer sexual intimacy as proof of love, while simultaneously being shamed for expressing their sexuality too freely. Meanwhile, men struggle with conquering mindsets and performance anxiety that prevent true connection.
We share powerful real-world examples, including a story about a professionally successful, naturally beautiful woman who faced workplace discrimination simply for embracing her authentic self. Through these narratives, we illustrate how judgment and comparison poison our capacity for genuine expression and satisfaction.
Our three-step process for reclaiming your authentic sexuality starts with identifying the societal beliefs that have shaped your perception of intimacy. Next, understand your true motivations – are you seeking pleasure and connection, or using sex to fill an emotional void? Finally, own who you are without apology. When your sexual expression aligns with your authentic self rather than external expectations, intimacy transforms from obligation to genuine connection.
Whether you're in a committed relationship, exploring multiple connections, or focused on self-discovery, this episode offers a judgment-free framework for examining your relationship with sexuality. Join us as we challenge conventional wisdom and invite you to discover what true spiritual sexuality means for you. What beliefs are you ready to release to experience more authentic connection?
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Thank you.
Good morning everybody.
Welcome back to.
The Spirits Will Grind.
It's kind of an overcast daytoday here in Daytona Beach.
Yeah, a little sprinkles hereand sprinkles there.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Good morning, dr Jenny.
She has been in the middle ofworkinginkles there, Good
morning.
Good morning, dr Jenny.
She has been in the middle ofworking on quantum physics all
morning, so she is a little bit,you know, you know, you know
what I mean, you know, I'll justplay.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's what I like to do for fun?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, like you said.
I said what does your wife dofor fun?
Oh, she figures out quantumphysics, computational equations
that are not heard of yet.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right, what he's describing is.
I wrote an article this morningfor the Mathematical Physical.
I wrote an article this morningfor the Mathematical Physical
Physics and Quantum.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Theorem Society, yeah , hoping to become the next
Einstein.
Yeah, it'll be cool, like afteryou're gone, they'll be finding
your manuscripts.
No, I want it to happen beforeI'm gone.
I'm talking about stuff thatyou have like in the books down
here, that you haven't evenpulled out in a while right, oh,
the journal, and yeah all thatstuff, but anyway, so, uh, you
(01:56):
know, last week we had a prettyheated or on my phone.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There's lots of good stuff, lots of good stuff on
your phone.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
By the way, before we get started, I ordered the
first Oracle card deck yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah For.
The.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Salty Tarot deck.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, excited about getting that and seeing what
that looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, that's going to be fun, and the Shopify store
is almost up with all of ourstuff actually, and you came up
with a of our stuff actually,and you came up with a new thing
, I guess, last night that we'lltalk about later and put up
there as a little surprise, butit's going to be kind of a cool
little line.
But we're going to have theSalty Tarot products, we're
going to have the SpiritualGrind products and we're going
to have the Merch Centerproducts on there, yeah, and so
(02:40):
we'll have tarot cards, oraclecards, all sorts of things.
T-shirts.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
T-shirts, hats everything Coffee mugs.
You may not want to mention itoutright just yet.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Not yet nope.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The coffee.
Yeah, we are working on a, youknow, because this has all
started?
Because for years, Dr Jenny andmyself, in the morning when we
get up, we'd have a session towhere we'd work on beliefs and
patterns and programs with eachother and we started calling
that the coffee talk.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And it turned into that.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
started years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, and that turned into to where we were sharing
it with all of our employees inour morning meetings and stuff
like that, right, and thensomebody said one day why don't
you all like put?
That on a podcast?
Yeah, and then now here we are.
We've been doing it now forofficially a year.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Really.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, officially a year on the 16th of this month.
Oh, wow we posted our first oneon the 18th.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Can we get a round of applause?
Yes, we can?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I just don't know which one it is.
Hang on, let's see.
Is it this one?
Nope, not that one.
Nope, not that one, not thatone.
There it is, I found it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Wow, that was a quick year I know right.
That went by very fast.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, and our growth behind it's been pretty
rewarding actually.
You know we have awards fromBuzzsprout.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And now we're going video Right.
My goal is today to get theSalty Tarot Shop open.
We've got the video rolling nowand we'll start posting our
videos on YouTube and see howthat goes, and we're going to
try.
Dr Jenny has her new book outscripted from within.
I am working on a new book, umcalled unlocked.
(04:30):
You'll see she's been awhitening whiting it.
That is available on Amazon andKDP and the audible thing, I've
had to pull some stuff out offthe manuscript so I got to go
back and work on that.
(04:51):
So it's not available on audibleyet because it doesn't take
note pages.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh yeah, the extra note pages I put in for people
to make notes along the way yeah, kind of a little mini journal.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You know, like this one is.
It's not real, it's not a realbig book, but it's very
informative and it's to thepoint.
That's.
I think that's the cool thingabout it is, is it uh, and I
think the script may be a littlesmall, so next time we'll have
to upgrade the script a littlebit, but, uh, I I think that
it's uh a good little handbookto have and you can carry it
with you and be veryinconspicuous.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So yeah, I mean, that was the an easy quick read that
really gets the core conceptacross and then gives room for
you to journal throughout yourday as you're reading it.
And that's why the blank notepages were put in there, so that
(05:37):
you could kind of have anall-in-one thing and not have to
carry a journal around, or ifyou hadn't quite figured out how
to do that on your technologypiece of equipment, or if you're
just a writer and what comesthrough is through pen and paper
.
Yes, it, um.
I wanted it to be a combinedthing, to where it was all in
(06:00):
one and easy to carry about ifit's nicely in a purse and um
doesn't take up a lot of space.
Yes, so going much bigger or uh, whatever, uh, wait, I'll
explore.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yes, yeah, excuse me, I have to stop for a commercial
break.
This commercial is brought toyou by unlocked the 45 day
challenge.
That'll be coming out soon.
It's actually a book that I'mwriting, um, that helps you to
balance and clear old beliefsand begin your life in a
(06:37):
different way every day.
Balance all three of theemotional, physical and
spiritual realms of your life.
Yeah, that, so that'll be outhere soon.
I've actually almost got itdone.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Would you?
It's actually your second book.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's my second book, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Your first book.
That's out there.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Sales Energy Method.
Yeah yeah.
It's on Amazon and KDP.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think the beautiful thing about it is that the book
you're writing now calledUnlocked um the book you're
writing now called unlocked itfeeds nicely off the script the
scripted from within, and itdoes it from a perspective of,
would you say from a perspectiveof the male premise.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You know it's the book that I wish I had when I
started awakening.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Going on a different type of earthly yes, complicated
, very, very tough journey, yes,but still kind of it's got my
personal story in it, so yeah,it's got my personal story in it
, which I hope you all willenjoy when you read it.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So it is gives you the keys, cause uh, it is, uh,
gives you the keys to every day,and it's the book that I wish I
had when I was awakening, whenI was going through that process
, because there it's so limitedinformation.
There's nothing out therethat's direct, nothing that says
, hey, do this, this and yeah,and, and this book I wrote for
it to do that.
It gives you daily things to do.
(08:09):
Send you a daily affirmationOnce you sign up for it, it'll
send you a daily affirmation inyour email to kind of reinforce,
and it also has my notes fromwhere I actually went through my
awakening process in it and thelittle stages that that, uh
will kind of help encourageeverybody along the way because
it you know when you, whenyou're going through all this
beliefs and patterns andprograms and you, if you don't
have somebody to talk to throughit right.
(08:29):
It can be a little daunting andyou, you say to yourself oh my
gosh why am I doing this?
Or why am I doing it?
This is, this is bullcrap, thisis too hard, and and those
little words of encouragementthat come along to kind of help.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, and aren't you currently doing like a little
kind of beta test on the dailyaffirmations being sent over?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, it's working, it's working.
Uh, I started it five days agoand I got my fifth one today.
Then it gave me on top of that,it gave me the daily
affirmation, the uh, um, kind ofan overview of what's coming
next.
And it worked out.
It's working well.
Nice I'm beta testing it.
Yeah, we'll see how it goes.
(09:12):
That way, people can sign upand it'll just automatically
come to you via text or email iswhat I'm working on.
Yeah, because this morning itcame text like I asked.
Very nice, very nice and everyfifth day will come on your text
message.
That's what it's I'm working on, so, but anyway, are you ready
to move on to the podcast?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I am, except one thing, yeah, I wanted to bring.
So yesterday we went andtreated ourselves to fingers and
toes yeah and so what color didyou pick yesterday?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I got orange, yeah, but I got fluorescent orange.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, it looks really good with your tan.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
With my tan.
Yeah, it does, I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But the interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Thing is now that you've put the energy out there.
Another gentleman came in withhis female and he had his toes
done as well, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, so we're seeingthat embracing, that opening the
side of things embracing the,the concept of not needing to
(10:17):
have that hard core.
Well, it's a masculine identity.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That is nonsense.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
It's judgment and I think that's why I am so
hell-bent on it is becausenobody has the right to judge me
.
Ever nobody gets that card intheir pocket to use on me right
and I am a six foot tall, 220pound, muscled up man that's
tattooed, and when you walk intoa pedicure shop and you have
painted toenails, they look atyou like you're cross-eyed and
(10:48):
crazy right, you're kind of thatbad boy harley rider look, and
so you don't fit I don't fit themetrosexual like archetype at
all I agreewhich makes it even more
beautiful yes, and, and becauseI don't worry about it, I mean,
let's talk about it.
You know, you know, uh, may,may.
(11:08):
His energy flow through thewhole universe is ozzy osbourne
just passed away here not verylong ago and ozzy always painted
his toenails and fingernails.
But one of the most respectedmen in the in the metal world
yeah, metal music world everlived and he was known as crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And that's actually another label that they do.
When people do that, right, youknow you'll see these rock and
rollers that have their nailspainted black and they get
labeled as you know, crazy oryou know off the wall or
different, and that's not faireither.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Or back in our day, it was satanic yeah, satanic.
I remember the devil worshipersso ridiculous just because
they're, and if you've evertalked with him and interacted
with him.
He is such a soft andcompassionate and intelligent
gentle yeah, oh yeah, this's acompassionate, gentle individual
(12:07):
that is actually very awakenedand enlightened.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, I mean, he's not.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He's not awakened now .
Technically he is awakened, buthe's not awakened.
But you know, I enjoyed yourmusic for many years.
I've been to many OzFests in mylife and, hey, ozzy, I enjoyed
your music for many years.
I've been to many Oz fests inmy life and, uh, hey, ozzy, I
hope your journey continues onin the next dimension.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, he says right on.
Thank you, brother.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yep, yep, yep, they, you, you've influenced me in
many ways.
I don't even know it Like when.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, that was, that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
He came out on the steps after he started wearing
mascara and they was out of theNew York times and they were.
They were kind of making fun ofhim.
He comes out on the steps ofthat church and he bites off the
head of that bird.
Nobody spoke about him again,you want crazy.
You want crazy, I'll show youcrazy.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'll give you crazy MFers.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Kind of funny actually.
But remember, you know, what'scrazy is is we used to do that
when we were quail hunt, so it'snot a big deal well, yeah, I
mean, if you look at differentcultures, around the world that
honor the archetype of stayingtrue to their um heritage and
heritage from back in the day.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That's a ritualistic event that takes place when you
take the life of something.
Each culture has its own drinkthe blood type thing of, you
know, eating the heart or youknow, actually, what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
What it is in the culture when I was in the native
culture, when I was taught byone of the guys I went hunting
with for the first time.
Or quail hunting is they onlyhave two pieces of meat that you
can eat, right, they're boththe breasts, right.
And so you stick your finger inthe backside, you pull out the
guts, bite the head off and youpeel the, and that way you ain't
got to carry all the extraweight yeah, so a quick story to
(14:07):
share, uh, because before youcan do all that, you got to
pluck the feathers, right?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
no, no, well, that's what I was taught yeah, as a
child.
I was in literally inkindergarten, and we lived so
far out in the country and wedidn't have a lot of money this
is when my parents were back,when we were younger.
A lot of a lot of families andso at this point we lived with
(14:35):
my mother, and so funds wereextremely limited.
I think she was working as awaitress, whatever.
I literally had a four hour busdrive ride to kindergarten, so
I had to pack a morningbreakfast and then a lunch, but
to get to my story, we caughtsupper and it was we were on a
(14:58):
piece of land where the dove andthe quail were abundant.
the dove and the quail wereabundant, yeah, and so my aunt
lived with us on the propertyand she had an older son, so it
was his job to go out and shootthe bird and it was my job to
pluck the feathers off and getit ready, to finish the
(15:22):
processing part of it, and myfavorite item that would be made
would be dove breast and rice.
And that's basically at thattime in our life that's what we
were kind of raised on, and itwas so good how my aunt made it.
I lapped it up like a littlehungry pup.
(15:43):
I can remember it being so goodhow my aunt made it.
I lapped it up like a littlehungry pup.
I can remember it being so goodyeah, you know, that was back in
the day there was, there wastimes that's the only way we ate
.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, it's by hunting and fishing, but anyway, my job
was to pluck the feathersmoving on in our podcast.
Now are you ready?
Yeah we're going to continuefrom last week.
Do you remember what lastweek's session was?
From the last one.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Sex.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Sex.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, ooh, can you give us a?
Oh, that's not it.
Nope, wait a minute.
Nope.
Oh, my God, that's the blue one.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't know this one .
Well, that's the music one.
I need to label them.
I don't ever label them.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You don't ever use them.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I know right, we don't ever use some.
I know right um the we don'thave to now.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I wanted more of a taboo audience.
You can add.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You can add the, uh, the stuff in.
Now you don't even have to anddon't even need those buttons
anymore, and yeah with AI's help, yeah which further proves my
mathematical computation thatI'm trying to get acknowledged.
Yeah, that's for sure, andyou'll get it, I know you will.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So last week we talked about spiritual sex.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So to speak.
Is that different than humansex?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
No, we're talking about sex in a spiritual manner.
Ah okay, and the main topicthat we talked about was how
people believe it's a chore inrelationships and how it can
become entangled with oldbeliefs and everything.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, yeah, from not only a female perspective, but
you brought in the maleperspective of a kind of a
performance-based yes.
And I brought in theperspective of performance-based
, but we did it from the twodifferent genders, yeah, and
then the conquering standpoint.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's where you know , uh the just to recap
everything was a challenge insex and so it became a
conquering mindset, and when youhave a conquering mindset it
doesn't ever work out too well.
But the point behind it now iswhat I think we ought to move
into in the sexual topic isunderstanding energetic flow and
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not human forcefulness.
And because we as humans havetaught, the world teaches us
everything.
If you stop and just lookaround, almost every
advertisement anymore that'slike a chicken dance.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We're on video now, so we're doing the crab hands.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
If you look around and all of the advertisements
are pretty much sexual, based insome sort of a manner, unless
it's a drug or prescriptioncommercial.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But I feel like sometimes those even have some
they do a little bit sexualinnuendo they do I I would agree
, and I'm really tired of seeinga prescription drug commercials
.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think, uh, I think they need to be banned again,
like they used to be.
They shouldn't be able toadvertise a prescription drug
yeah, but we want to stay ontopic.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yes, stay on topic.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Another podcast but the topic about it is is
understanding that the societyinfluences our thoughts and you
know they influence it withradio, with stereo, with
advertising, with billboards,with anything Like.
There was one time I passed abillboard in Texas on I-35.
(19:14):
And on that billboard it hadthis very beautiful model
sprawled all the way out in abikini, okay and at the top of
it it said find your inner pornstar.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And it was an advertisement for a tanning
salon.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Oh, goodness me.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And I remember driving by that and my daughter
saying what does tanning have todo with porn?
Oh goodness me.
And I remember driving by thatand my daughter saying what does
tanning have to do with porn?
And because she was like 13 or14, she knew what porn was Right
.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I was like well, have you ever seen a pale porn star?
She's like Daddy, I've neverseen a porn star.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
No, she actually answered the question and I
looked at her like cross-eyed,like.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Side-eyed her.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, side-eyed her.
You know.
The whole point behind what I'mgetting at is it influences our
thoughts and our processes,like that billboard right there.
Told my daughter that if you'retanned, you look like a porn
star, which is a desirable thing, which is a desirable thing.
Which is a desirable thing.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
According to the billboard.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
According to the billboard.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Right.
So, unfortunately,inadvertently, what happens is
it begins to give the femalethis misconceived concept.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
About self.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I want to be accepted into society.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And be viewed as sexy or sexual.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I have to begin to achieve this look.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And she actually said to me in that conversation well
, I'm pale, I don't tan likethat, I burn or I don't.
And I said yeah, and so youcould almost see the wheels
turning in your head.
You know like, oh, does thatmean I'm never going to be sexy?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And man, what a, what a uh.
The word I'm looking for it'suh.
What a way to dilute a selfimage of somebody, somebody's
personal self image ofthemselves and what they do we
do it all the time and and howthat coordinates with our
podcast is I want to get into itis is.
(21:28):
I've been thinking about thispodcast a lot since we had it
last week because the sexualtopic is is an issue in
everybody.
I say an issue, not really Anissue is kind of a harsh word.
It's a subject in mosteverybody's relationship and
when you are working offsocietal top beliefs and not
(21:49):
have a deeper understanding fromwithin you that you have
certain parameters, you have tolook a certain way, you have to
act a certain way, you have tobe a certain way.
What it does is it causes acouple of things.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Do tell.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
One is your self-perception.
A is how you have to act, howyou have to be, how you have to
perform, and I'm talking aboutmen and women, both, and so this
is a general broad spectrum.
And how you have to look and howyou have to look and how you
have to behave.
It gets put out there in acertain way that you are not
(22:24):
doing sex right unless it looksthis way Right, and then the
other part of that is thenegativity behind it that you
get within it when you don'thold up to those societal type
beliefs.
Hold up to those societal typebeliefs you know like, for
example and I'm going to go on areligious little- spot here,
Not really a rant.
(22:49):
You know, religion teaches youto keep your virginity as long
as you can, and you know, and italso teaches you that you only
marry once.
I mean most religions, youreligions, they frown upon.
Some churches won't evendivorce you.
They frown on you.
If you're going to get adivorce, oh no.
So on both sides of that,they're not combating societal
(23:10):
sexual beliefs, but they're justlike putting a burp.
Stop to it.
They're not talking about it,they're not making it real and
they're not making peopleunderstand the validity or the
non-valid points that they haveobtained in self-beliefs, and so
(23:31):
they just put a staunch into itand don't even talk about it.
Like you know, when I was thereligious community you mean,
yes, a lot of the differentreligions.
You know when, when I was thereligious community.
You mean, yes, a lot of the alot of the different religions.
You know sexist football.
I mean there's some religionsthat women can't even walk
around uncovered right, yeah andand the reality is this is no
matter what religion you are,doesn't matter what you look
like or feel like you act like.
(23:52):
If you understand withinyourself your, your beliefs that
have been taught wrong and thenwork through those beliefs, it
can change a lot of perceptionsin your life, like, for example,
the swingers community.
We're going to talk about thatbecause we live in Florida and
one of the largest swingerscommunity in the world is right
up the street right you knowthose, they get viewed as their
(24:16):
whores or their sluts.
And the men, of course, theyknow they get, they get held up
on a pedestal, that there's somekind of a King in there and
they have this, you know,astronomically sized, you know
and wallet, and wallet and sugardaddy, and so all these faux
Paul labels get put on them aswell.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But everybody views them as being and walks the
stalker stalker, because thisone's down here and you know.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So.
Everybody views the swingerscommunity as being wrong, or you
know?
Yeah, and let's stop and reallythink about that a minute,
because all they're doing isbeing themselves.
They're not conforming tosocietal top beliefs or
religious beliefs Right, they'regoing with their natural energy
(25:11):
.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And what feels good to them.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And they have a deeper understanding of who they
are and what they are.
And the main point of what Iwas getting to is truly a Wasabi
Help Did she scratch you.
No, If you are truly in tunewith oneself like you always
(25:36):
talk about, um, being in tunewith yourself and understanding
because everybody has a littlebit different perspectives on on
sex in their life because ofsocietal top beliefs and stop
and really get back to your trueself and kind of discover what
is it that you do want, what isit that you feel like?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And go through every aspect of that.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, and I will say that a very wise man taught me
early on and it was a verydeep-seated concept that I had
to navigate and still havelayered concepts of it that come
up and still have layeredconcepts of it that come up that
I was taught early on was sexdoes not equal love.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
That is such a prominent belief that is out
there and deeply entangled in somany things that are going on,
especially in the female world.
Yeah, I can remember as a youngindividual, the first time I
had sexual relations.
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That male used that word toconvince me to do the act.
And there became theentanglement of that thing, but
it was because that was what hewas taught.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Is that if you love each other, then you're going to
do this.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
You're going to share that special moment.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You're going to share that special moment, you're
going to do this act, and so forso many people, it gets defined
almost inappropriately.
Not inappropriately, but itgets defined in a confusing way
and then it starts to entanglein everything else.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's about definitions.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I can speak about the female person within me.
I went through my life carryingthat definition with me.
Yeah, and if I?
Well, for example, if I wantedto show him that I loved him,
then I performed sexual act toshow my love yeah, because
(28:01):
nothing show loves better thanfellatio right, because I was
confused about it and nine timesout of ten it was being read
that way anyways yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's because, and that's because you're taught to
think that way right and that'swhat religion does is keep your
virginity.
Don't have sex till you'remarried, because you're supposed
to love one another.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right, but the confusing part of it.
I'm coming full circle backaround is if the church is
teaching keep your virginity,and I have a definition that
says sex equals love, but then Igo to church and what?
What I'm supposed to do is nosex.
Then how am I ever going toshow anybody that I love them?
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You see the entanglement of thequandary that lives on what
that whole shit and ass mess isthat I then have to later
unentangle in session withclients and with myself.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I have a client that his wife thinks he's cheating
all the time yeah.
And just because the perceptionof how he's supposed to act is
not how he is acting.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
And red flags, red flags, red flags go flying up
the minute something doesn't gothe way she thinks it should.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Right, even like last week's example that was
completely preposterous, thatyou used of her having
experienced a cheating situation.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And now those red flags pop up because of
behaviors that are going on thatshe's defined as red flag
moments.
I gotta catch it in thisrelationship.
Yeah, and he's never evencheated or done any of that
while they're together right,you know, and here she still
(30:11):
brings that historicalexperience with her and almost
convicts him of the thing yeah,you know without it being even a
plausible thing one of myfootball official buddies when I
was officiating football backin the day.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
um, him and I had a very long conversation about
this because he made the commentone day of because he was
married and was sleeping aroundhis wife all the time.
And I want to end like, likeright there, I just use this as
(30:47):
a titlecom, and sleeping aroundwith his is a derogatory way of
saying he is addicted toconquering.
And it does not mean it's causehe's out sleeping with him.
It does not mean he doesn'tlove his wife.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
It just she has taught that if he cheats, he
don't love her, and so do you do.
You see the conflicting thing.
The church teaches you to keepyour virginity until you get
married because you lovesomebody.
Then you have sex, and theminute that that hormone in men
erupts, it is a recipe for thedisaster, because they don't
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ever teach them what to do withit.
Right, I was one of thosepeople.
I never got them what to do withit.
Right, I was one of thosepeople.
I never got taught what to dowith it, never got one told
anything.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, and as a female that same hormone exists.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And arousal and sexuality.
That all exists within thewoman.
But we are taught to dumb itdown and ignore it and not
express it, because then we'resluts or whores or uh, whatever
any of those derogatory titlesare.
And so we're taught to ignoreit completely.
So we don't even get theopportunity to really truly dive
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in and feel the feeling of itand experience or see sex from a
place of true inner enjoymentyeah, totally because we're
taught to ignore it you're aslut.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
If you do it right, you act on it.
You're a slut yeah and that iswrong right.
How dare you enjoy life?
and you know gold digger, yeah,whatever yeah, there's a bunch
of them out there there's a lot,but the you know and here's
another side of the two that Iwanted to bring up before we
kind of get through a processthat I've got in my head okay is
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when I used to work in a greatbig gold building in dallas and
there was this woman in thatoffice Is there a reason you're
referencing a gold buildingspecifically.
Yeah Well, not really.
It's because I can't name thename.
I don't want to name the name.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
It's a very large company and there was a woman
that worked in that office.
She was there, was literally.
You could look at that womanand find nothing wrong yeah
nothing.
She was just the epiphany ofperfectly proportioned,
(33:05):
intelligent, beautiful, andthere was.
I mean, she was just sexy andshe always wore, you know,
clothes that were perhaps alittle edgy on the business side
, a little risky compared tobusiness attire.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know, but she was always professional, 100% Right
, and she was married tosomebody.
You're like.
When you met the guy, you'relike, wow, those two do not go
together.
He was a computer programmerfor IBM and he looked like the
guy from revenge, the nerds withthe glasses and the pocket
protector.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, he for ibm, and he looked like the guy from
revenge the nerds with theglasses and the pocket protector
.
Yeah, yeah, he came in.
He came in for the christmasparty.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I was like wow what right.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
But come to find out that she was a closet geek until
she met him and he was like no,just be beautiful, be yourself
right, yeah and anyway I hadwomen coming to me complaining
that this woman is walkingaround the office like this,
like she would take her shoesoff and walk.
It's even a perfect feat.
It was like nuts.
All the guys were talking aboutit and my boss said I'm going
(34:07):
to talk to her.
I'm like bro, do you realize?
Your production and your mailside is going to go down because
of where her office was.
The guys had to get stuff doneso they could print, because the
printer was not very far fromher office, and so they would
hurry up and get all the reportsdone and print them so they
could go to the printer.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And walk by her office.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, and walk by her office, and so I was like your
production is going to go down,your reports are going to be
behind.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Not only that, but it's not fair.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Right and I said so.
Why?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Because other females are jealous.
You're going to make thisperson change how she presents
herself.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, it was really.
You know, that's theconversation I had with him.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, have a talk with the females that are
complaining about it and say youknow, have the conversation
with them.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Right, so I sit down in his office and I put my feet
up on his desk.
I sit back in his chair.
I sit back in his chair.
I'm like Roger, let's talkabout this a minute.
I said let's pull it all aside,and I got nothing to do with
that woman's performance at work.
Right, because she outperformsevery other woman in this
building, and that's trulywhat's really going on.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Is because she is the total package.
That's right, and they'rejealous of it, and so they're
going to start complaining thatshe's just dressing not
appropriately.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Right, they got to find something.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
They got to try to find something wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
To make themselves feel better.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
But because of this woman and what she had created,
and she literally raised the bar.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
On many levels, on many levels, on many levels, not
only for the women, but withthe men.
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
For production.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
For production.
Yes totally but visualappearance yes, Intelligence and
the time frame of productivity.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It made everybody step up their game, essentially.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right.
And so he said well, I've gotto do something, because it's
going to become an HR issue.
If I don't, I'm like.
No, dave, you just telleverybody.
Hey, you know what, I'll gotalk to her when you can do the
job that she does.
When you perform at her level.
I will talk to her about herattire Right.
Until then, quit findingreasons to complain about the
person that's outperforming you.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Exactly Call them out on their nonsense.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Right, and it's because they're acting on
societal beliefs.
But anyway, the point I wasgetting to was is, when I met
these at this Christmas partyfor this conversation and I
talked to them I actually talkedto them because I've always
been that guy- them being theman, the, the female and, and
her and her husband partner theone that looked like the guy
(36:45):
from revenge of the nerds.
Yeah, I swear to god, he lookedjust like him, even had the
glasses the real thick.
I mean they weren't taped butthey had the black rim glasses
yeah and we're sitting there andwe're just kind of sitting the
table drinking, and I was.
I was really curious about him.
Okay, and you know me, that'sjust what I do right I interview
people all the time and theydon't even know it.
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And I and he was telling methat, yeah, they met in college
when she was studying computersciences, because that's what
she did for that company was.
She did you know, back then itwasn't called networking, it was
called uh processes, computerprocesses, and uh, uh, you know,
yeah, they met in college, blah, blah, blah, blah, and she
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always wore big, frumpy clothesand and had her pony.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
He was telling me all the whole story well, yeah, and
even that concept not tointerrupt your story real quick.
But the big frumpy clothes wasto hide her natural beauty
probably because she got dingedand binged about it all through
her life right I, because I Ican relate to that yeah I mean
(37:53):
coming up in high school.
I was one of those individualsthat had a very active body
style, but I had been blessedwith you had an active what.
Body style, but I got blessedwith very huge breasts.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah.
Huge it's going to be huge.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I got the same thing.
I got beat up by the femalepeople Because of something I
didn't even.
Get control of.
If I wore certain shirts orwhatever, then I was being
slutty or you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And it starts to affect the way that you present
yourselves.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And so like in the conversation, he said yeah, she
changed.
He said I'll never forget thatCause this woman actually had
like the perfectly copper toneskin.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, but she didn't even have to work, never tanned
yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
And she never tanned Right and, and so I was.
He said yeah.
He said when she walked downthe aisle at my wedding she,
literally I had to ask the mypastor is that my wife?
Because she looks so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And uh he was used to .
Just to recap, he was used toseeing her in the front the
clothes and clothes, and so nowshe had her makeup all done, she
had her hair did, then she had,she had her contacts in right
and uh, he said you know?
He said until she got aboutthree foot from the podium I
don't think that I ever realizedhow beautiful her green eyes
(39:33):
were, oh, and how deep they were, because the glasses always
hinders it, she said.
He said I knew she had prettyeyes, but not that deep a green.
Yeah, and he said I told herwhen she walked up on the podium
I don't care what happens afterthis day, but I don't care what
happens after this day, but youshould always keep your beauty
(39:54):
out.
And he said she's been this wayever since.
And he said insecure is all getout she, but she loves dressing
up, she loves being the barbiedoll.
Yeah, but she didn't because ofher higher intelligence level,
which he's very highlyintelligent yeah she was always
taught to dumb it down that'sright, that's.
(40:15):
But it goes back to societalbeliefs and talking about sex.
You know, when we talk aboutsex and we talk about spiritual
sex, what I mean by spiritualsex is this is a if you don't
know who you are inside yet, youshould not experience sex,
right?
You need to understand who youare, yeah, and you need to
understand that societal beliefsare not the way sex is.
(40:39):
Porn is not the way sex is.
Yeah, now it can be that way.
Right.
But here's the cool part aboutall of it it can be any way you
want it to be.
Yeah, sex can be any way.
Level of sex to where you havea complete relationship, a
interaction that is spirituallydriven, takes two things.
(41:03):
One is you have to identifyyour beliefs that you don't
believe in or don't feel right,that are society taught.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Because when you take sex to the level that you're
performing and doing duties andmaking it a chore and because
I'm married I have to keep myhusband's tummy full and his
balls empty concept.
If you're actually performingunder that duties, you are way
off base.
And on the other side of that,on the male side, if you're out
(41:31):
there conquering, you don't needto be getting married either.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And don't get me wrong, Unless it's in a like
like the swingers can be on top,Unless it's in a spiritually
guided, directed energyNegotiation up front.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
In your relationship.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Because here's the reality of it is even if you all
have a spiritual connection andyou both talk about it, and if
you do it behind their back,it's not about the sex, it's not
about the love.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
No, it's a deeper.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It's about the energetic connection.
Trust broke because you knowlike for you, the very first
thing you said to me was ifyou're ever going to cheat, make
sure I know about it beforehandand I'll go help you.
Yeah, I mean that was the thingwith me is.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
It wasn't that I got cheated on Right on, because
I've always been, even inchildhood, around many topics,
very open to the 360 degreeconcept of anything, and sex was
no different.
I knew that I wanted to have avery open viewpoint about it,
(42:35):
because it didn't make any senseto me to think about being in a
situation that either a limitedmy partner from being able to
explore that topic right, fullyand wholly, but myself as well,
correct, and uh, I, I did sharethat up front.
(43:01):
I, I wanted you to know up frontyeah, totally, and I had much
more respect for it and the partabout being air quote cheated
on right was the fact that itwas done behind your behind my
back like I'm some kind ofignorant person who will never
find out that doesn't havespirit guides that tell you yeah
, exactly, yeah those arestories for another day because
(43:26):
I literally had no idea, and theway they came about yeah, no,
totally no, I get it, but anyway.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So going back to it.
So one is make sure withinyourself you understand what it
is that you're trying to do withsex.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
And what that definition is.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
What the definition is, because in reality is the
sex is for two things, yeahProcreation and pleasure.
If you're using it tomanipulate somebody, if you're
using it to do anything otherthan pleasure or procreation,
then you're doing it for thecompletely the wrong reasons
yeah, if it's performance based,if it's chore based, any of
that.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
And another.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Number two is a if you identify those things and
you find out if you're doing itfor the right reason or the
wrong reason and you're actuallysatisfying yourself.
As number two is is if you'reusing sex to fulfill a void in
your life, if you're depressed,if you're, you know, if there's
something that feels incomplete,and you're just out there like
(44:20):
like.
I had a friend of mine.
He would man that dude.
I don't know how many women heslept with, but it had to be
hundreds that I hung out withHundreds.
And I asked him when I'm like,what are you trying to
accomplish?
One of these days you're goingto.
One of these days you're goingto come across the wrong one.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
You know cause, most of the time he liked to go there
was this one bar in frisco,texas, that he liked to go to.
Yeah, because that's where allthe married women went.
That took the rings off beforethey came in.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
It was a little exclusive bar right and and he's
not wanting like a committedinteraction.
No, he was a completelycommitted.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
No, I'm not saying he wasn't in one right, but the
additional play toys.
He wasn't wanting them to becommittal.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Right, and that's what I asked him Like what are
you searching for?
What are you doing?
Yeah, you know why.
I mean he would literally picka girl up at the bar, go out to
the car, come back in, drinksome more, pick up another one
and go in the car.
I mean it was insane, of course.
You know it was everybody about30 seconds they were.
(45:25):
You know it was everybody about30 seconds.
They were outside.
But there was a point behind itand I was like what are you
doing, man?
And he said I don't know, Idon't know why I do this right
and so that he had a void.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
You know well, yeah, and that's the big red flag is
if you don't know the why that'swhere I was going.
It doesn't matter whether it'ssex or drugs or alcohol or food
Right, like if we just don'ttalk about even the negatives,
if you're just eating to eat.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
And you don't know why, or you know anything,
anything kind of compulsive andobsessive, so to speak, and you
don't know the why.
Behind it, that is a big flag,it's a big red flag, and you
don't know the why behind it.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
That is a big flag.
It's a big red flag.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
There is more to look at within you, that there's
obviously some place that's notfully fulfilled and you're
trying to fill it with something.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Right, so that you feel whole and you feel complete
.
You're just looking in thewrong place.
So let me recap.
Step one is identify withinyourself societal beliefs.
Right, what is it that you'relooking for in sex?
Number two is why?
Yeah, why are you doing it, ifyou can identify that?
And now number three it's veryeasy Own who you are.
(46:34):
Yeah, if you are the person thathas to be married to have sex,
then own it Right, be proud ofit.
Yep, and because you know, whenyou live in this world, in this
spiritual, metaphysicalenvironment, we know one thing
hey, what you think about youbring about, the energy you put
out, you get back Right.
And if you are that person andyou put it out there to the
(46:55):
universe that I am this personand you own it Right, I mean
100%, own it.
Own it, then go be that personand put it out there and the
universe will bring you theperson, just like you.
If you are that person that isdoing it just because you like
to, you like the pleasure of sex, then own it.
Then own it and be open aboutit, be honest about it, just
(47:19):
like you are.
If you're that person that wantsto wait till marriage, be
honest and open about it.
If you're that person that'sthis out there because you just
like sex, you enjoy it, thenthen own it.
You know, and then you know itdoesn't matter who you are, what
you are within that world,because what you're going to
find out is what I'm teachingyou right here in the sexual
talk, which is kind of apassionate thing for me because
(47:40):
it's been a subject in my lifefor many years.
And you'll find out that thisprocess that Jenny actually
describes the process very wellin her book, the scripted from
within book, the process verywell in her book, the Scripted
From Within book it will marryfrom one subject in your life to
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the other and the main thing Ican tell you is this is whatever
decision that you make, makesure it's yours and make sure
you own it.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
That's right.
That's right.
Make sure it is yours.
That's the key thing.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Clear all the negative about it, not somebody
else's.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Right, it's no different than.
What kind of eggs do you like?
Speaker 1 (48:20):
right?
Yeah, you're totally right.
You like them scrambled, friedflip right upside down backwards
it's no different behind yourback, in front of your back, how
you like them, it doesn'tmatter right, it does not matter
.
It does not, it does not matterand another part of this I think
is very important is the laststep I would say in anything is
(48:41):
you have to make it okay.
You have to make it okay withinyourself to be who you are and
own it and be relaxed about it.
Who cares?
I don't care, I have paintedtoenails.
I could care less what youthink of me.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, because essentially what that does is
that will bring about yourinternal self-worth and
worthiness Right.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I'm not going to change for nobody.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Whittle away the layers of the societal taught,
parental taught beliefs aroundsexuality Yep, around sexuality
and all the different thingsthat it's entangled in.
It can definitely whittle awayat your self-worth.
Yeah, totally, and bringingthat back to a healthy place
(49:28):
changes your perspective and howyou move about your reality,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Totally.
I 100% agree with you.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
It also does it just to bring in the scientific,
because that's where we are, youknow.
It also does it on a chemistrylevel.
There are certain chemicalsthat are produced and released
within the body when you talkabout sex, interact with sex.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
And all of that, and when someone like you gave the
example, he's going out anddoing this sex thing, the reason
that it is still a viableanswer is because, on a chemical
level, there's adrenalinethere's adrenaline and a
dopamine and oxytocin drop inthe body.
(50:15):
That gives that temporaryfulfillment what's that?
Speaker 1 (50:19):
a drop is a raise, right I, when I say drop into
the body, release okay, at leastI'll use that word, okay
because you're right.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Drop can mean many different things.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
They think your levels are gonna go down release
within the body.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
That happens whether you're doing it um, here, here's
the catch when you're doing iteither with another human being
that agrees to do it, or you'redoing it with yourself.
Yeah, that chemical which isokay to it is okay to do it, but
doing it for the right reasons,right, um, because you know it,
(50:58):
it still releases that chemicalor those chemicals in the body,
and that can be what you'rereaching for, rather than the
true, authentic finding, the,the feeling of the fact that
it's a void right, and that canbe a trip up point well, and
(51:21):
also also part of that is thosechemicals dropping into your
system and, you know, raisingthose levels in your body
naturally can become addictiveit can and like that's where I
was going with it he didn't knowwhy he was doing it until I
told him right, and so then whathappens is there's actual
neural pathways that getcompleted in the brain, which
(51:44):
then is how habits are formedand
so the brain says, okay, well,when you're feeling yucky, uh,
let's go down this path andlet's pop in easy to get on your
phone porn, do a littlemasturbation and that's the
quickest way to get what you'rewanting.
(52:07):
But the trick with that is it'snot the true, authentic
accountability solution to whatyou're looking for.
It's a temporary thing and youhave to explore that deeper on
an aware level to find out whatthe true void is really about
(52:32):
given its real name, I think.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
I think I want to make sure and clarify something.
Okay, masturbation is aboutself-discovery.
Of course, and it's okay to dothat is okay to do.
Now, if you are doing it for adifferent reason other than
self-discovery, andunderstanding your body, because
it is part of a natural growthprocess for everybody, and you
should self-discover, becauseyou can't satisfy anybody else,
(52:57):
so you know how to satisfyyourself.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I agree 100% everybody and you should
self-discover, because you can'tsatisfy anybody else, so you
know how to satisfy yourself, Iagree a hundred percent and I
didn't bring up it and a way toright, I just wanted to make
sure I was taking the examplethat you gave with him, and I
wanted to incorporate the factof it doesn't matter whether
you're doing it with human ordoing it with yourself.
That's right.
If you're not clear on whyyou're doing it, then you are
not addressing the true reasonfor the void that you're trying
(53:19):
to fill.
Even if it is a sex with anotherhuman being or sex with
yourself, utilizing porn orwhatever, it still is giving you
a chemical release that'stemporarily filling the void and
stop and understand that thereis a void, if there is a void,
(53:45):
and fill that with the goodstuff of uh self-worth and then
go forth and masturbate.
Or then go forth and have sexwith who and however many you
want.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Then you won't have that next level experience.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Totally, totally agree.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
That's all I'm saying .
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Now this is getting long so we're going to have to
cut it.
So I'm going to give you alittle teaser because I think
next podcast or coming up in oneof the next podcasts.
So it's kind of I'm gonna giveyou a little teaser because I
think next podcast or coming upin one of the next podcasts,
we'll talk about individualizedbeliefs you bring into
relationship and sex.
We'll talk about that.
That's what I think we I wantto bring that up Now, we'll talk
about it somewhere down theroad.
But.
(54:33):
But I also want to talk aboutis hey, we got big, we got into
banks coming up.
We are going to be teaching thePower of Positive Thought
School at the Holistic House inHolly Hill, florida.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Starting on October 5th.
It's a 16-week course.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
If you want to join the course, it's $25 a session,
or you can buy the whole sessionfor it.
Would be $400 if you paid forit outright, but if you pay for
it upfront it's $25 a session.
Or you can buy the wholesession for um.
It's would be $400 if you paidfor it outright, but if you pay
for it up front it's $360 forthe complete course and that
comes with the workbook and ornot workbook.
It's going to be a pamphlet,yeah, um, for not.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Are you talking about like an actual, like three-fold
pamphlet?
Or are you going to actuallyput together a?
Speaker 1 (55:18):
uh, it's a well, it's packet, it's a packet.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
A packet, that's a better word for it packet of
information and uh graphs anddifferent things yeah, so the
the the course starts on oh it'sraining it's raining, sorry,
editor well, I guess that's ourcue, huh but hey, listen, are
you gonna put a link on thewebsite about it?
(55:44):
Yes, I'm gonna have ouraddition to maybe, how to
contact holistic house to signup or I had that right there
actually hang on a second.
But how are you gonna get it tothe listeners?
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Yeah, I know you need to call the Holistic House
because you'll be doing all thereservations and everything over
the phone there and I'll giveyou that number here in a second
.
Hang on a second.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Can you just put it in the transcript down below.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I'll put it in the description down below for
everybody to see.
And uh, it's the phone numberyou can call and subscribe to
that.
And hey, and, if you're everaround florida, daytona beach,
holly hill area, make sure youswing by and and go to holistic
house.
It is an awesome place yeah,it's really got some good, good
vibes and if you need a cat,they also are an adoption center
(56:36):
for cats.
Cats there, too, got a lot ofgood vibes, and if you need a
cat, they also are an adoptioncenter for cats Absolutely Cats.
There too, Got a lot of goodvibes.
Got a lot of good people there.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
It is, it's really.
She is just really a phenomenalindividual.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
And has just a really really good energy about her.
Yeah, she's very pleasant to bearound.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Considering what she went through in the beginning
and the opening of that.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, where beginning ?
Speaker 1 (56:54):
and the opening of that man where she's in a great
place.
You know that's her story totell.
But you know, and that's thatis spelled.
A lot of people don't know howto spell holistic.
I have discovered it's.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
It's h-o-l, not w-h-o-l, it's h-o-l-i-s I laugh
because I would have beenwilling to spell it w-h-o-l.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
yeah, it is a holistic like it's supposed to
be spelled house in Holly Hill,florida, and that starts on
October 5th.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
And then Jenny and I will be available.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Which is a Friday.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Which is a?
It's a Friday night.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, we're going to do it on Fridays from 5 to 7.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, from 5 to 7.
Which we may talk to her aboutdoing it from 6 to 8 because you
people got to have time to getoff work, you know, oh, yeah to
eight because you people got tohave time to get off work.
You know, oh yeah, goodthinking um, but we'll see what
happens.
I'll talk to her and also, uh,I'll be doing order readings
there.
You can also call.
I'll leave that phone numberwill all be in the uh
description down below.
I'm available for doing orreadings at the holistic house
(57:52):
anytime just call and scheduleit.
She'll call.
Let you know she knows myavailability and you're going to
be doing sessions as well.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, so I'll be providing my services of, you
know, helping people identifybeliefs that are no longer a fit
.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, belief sessions .
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Teaching them and working with them on how to
rewrite those, re-script them,toss them in the trash.
Rewrite those, rescript them,toss them in the trash.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
And then I also will be doing hypnosis sessions as
well, because she's got a reallycool hypnosis area that I can
do hypnosis sessions, Somepeople.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
you can get there a little quicker and circumvent
the human by going into hypnosis.
It works, for some it doesn't.
Some can sit in the chair andwe can get through it that way,
but it's just another momentmodality and this ain't a normal
hypnosis session.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
This is.
This is not the one where yousee the sign out on highway that
says stop smoking today andthen you walk into hypnosis no,
that's not what you can.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
Don't get me wrong you can, you can stop smoking
but traditionally I don't Idon't do those very often.
We actually dig around and, uh,you know beliefs and uh, I
usually will bring in yourhigher self and any of your
non-physical guides or council,council members, and we go about
(59:13):
it that way totally.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, get it.
But hey, guys uh got all lot ofgood stuff going got some stuff
going on and check out thewebsite and the store.
The website iswwwthemerchcentersorg.
The store is the saltytarotmyshopifycom yeah and
because she is the salty tarot,because she tells it how it is
if you don't believe me?
Speaker 2 (59:34):
go set one of her belief sessions right because,
but I do it with all the love inthe world.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah, don't worry, she's not going to leave you out
there without direction.
She's going to tell it to youhow it is, and then you're going
to cry for a minute or you'regoing to laugh, whatever it is
that she tells you, and thenyou're going to work together
through a process.
That's how she operates.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, you work together and the beauty of it is
sugar coating really for thedamn donuts yeah, I mean, why
use all the extra words?
Just to get to the point there,and it certainly doesn't get
you there in the quickest waythat's correct.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
And uh, look us up on facebook and instagram and
tiktok, we're there all the wayaround.
This is all getting interlinkednow that we are full time doing
this yeah it is uh slowly allcoming together I think it's
going very quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
honestly, it's gaining momentum and we're
getting it all out there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It's amazing, yep.
So her book is on Amazon andKDP, scripted From Within.
You can pick it up.
It is just like this for $15.89on Amazon and you get it on KDP
for $9.99.
My book, sales Energy Methods,is in the same place.
You can find it as well for thesame prices.
Oh, actually no, my paperbackis $14.99.
(01:00:50):
And pay attention, we've gotGranny Grimmar's coming out.
We have Unlocked the 45-dayunlock challenge.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yep, I started a new book about how to help the
empathic community.
Uh-oh, as I am one who's a bigfeeler of life.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I started that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Good, awesome so.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I got that coming.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
We can do that via phone.
We can do it actually live.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah.
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Yeah, We'd love to hear whatother people have to say and
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And don't forget to ring thatbell.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Hey, you all have an awesome day.
Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, love ya, we'll see you next time.
Thank you.
Good morning everybody.
Welcome back to.
The Spirits Will Grind.
It's kind of an overcast daytoday here in Daytona Beach.
Yeah, a little sprinkles hereand sprinkles there.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Good morning, dr Jenny.
She has been in the middle ofworkinginkles there, Good
morning.
Good morning, dr Jenny.
She has been in the middle ofworking on quantum physics all
morning, so she is a little bit,you know, you know, you know
what I mean, you know, I'll justplay.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's what I like to do for fun?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, like you said.
I said what does your wife dofor fun?
Oh, she figures out quantumphysics, computational equations
that are not heard of yet.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right, what he's describing is.
I wrote an article this morningfor the Mathematical Physical.
I wrote an article this morningfor the Mathematical Physical
Physics and Quantum.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Theorem Society, yeah , hoping to become the next
Einstein.
Yeah, it'll be cool, like afteryou're gone, they'll be finding
your manuscripts.
No, I want it to happen beforeI'm gone.
I'm talking about stuff thatyou have like in the books down
here, that you haven't evenpulled out in a while right, oh,
the journal, and yeah all thatstuff, but anyway, so, uh, you
(01:56):
know, last week we had a prettyheated or on my phone.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There's lots of good stuff, lots of good stuff on
your phone.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
By the way, before we get started, I ordered the
first Oracle card deck yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah For.
The.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Salty Tarot deck.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, excited about getting that and seeing what
that looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, that's going to be fun, and the Shopify store
is almost up with all of ourstuff actually, and you came up
with a of our stuff actually,and you came up with a new thing
, I guess, last night that we'lltalk about later and put up
there as a little surprise, butit's going to be kind of a cool
little line.
But we're going to have theSalty Tarot products, we're
going to have the SpiritualGrind products and we're going
to have the Merch Centerproducts on there, yeah, and so
(02:40):
we'll have tarot cards, oraclecards, all sorts of things.
T-shirts.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
T-shirts, hats everything Coffee mugs.
You may not want to mention itoutright just yet.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Not yet nope.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The coffee.
Yeah, we are working on a, youknow, because this has all
started?
Because for years, Dr Jenny andmyself, in the morning when we
get up, we'd have a session towhere we'd work on beliefs and
patterns and programs with eachother and we started calling
that the coffee talk.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
And it turned into that.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
started years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, and that turned into to where we were sharing
it with all of our employees inour morning meetings and stuff
like that, right, and thensomebody said one day why don't
you all like put?
That on a podcast?
Yeah, and then now here we are.
We've been doing it now forofficially a year.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Really.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, officially a year on the 16th of this month.
Oh, wow we posted our first oneon the 18th.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Can we get a round of applause?
Yes, we can?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I just don't know which one it is.
Hang on, let's see.
Is it this one?
Nope, not that one.
Nope, not that one, not thatone.
There it is, I found it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Wow, that was a quick year I know right.
That went by very fast.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, and our growth behind it's been pretty
rewarding actually.
You know we have awards fromBuzzsprout.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And now we're going video Right.
My goal is today to get theSalty Tarot Shop open.
We've got the video rolling nowand we'll start posting our
videos on YouTube and see howthat goes, and we're going to
try.
Dr Jenny has her new book outscripted from within.
I am working on a new book, umcalled unlocked.
(04:30):
You'll see she's been awhitening whiting it.
That is available on Amazon andKDP and the audible thing, I've
had to pull some stuff out offthe manuscript so I got to go
back and work on that.
(04:51):
So it's not available on audibleyet because it doesn't take
note pages.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh yeah, the extra note pages I put in for people
to make notes along the way yeah, kind of a little mini journal.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You know, like this one is.
It's not real, it's not a realbig book, but it's very
informative and it's to thepoint.
That's.
I think that's the cool thingabout it is, is it uh, and I
think the script may be a littlesmall, so next time we'll have
to upgrade the script a littlebit, but, uh, I I think that
it's uh a good little handbookto have and you can carry it
with you and be veryinconspicuous.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So yeah, I mean, that was the an easy quick read that
really gets the core conceptacross and then gives room for
you to journal throughout yourday as you're reading it.
And that's why the blank notepages were put in there, so that
(05:37):
you could kind of have anall-in-one thing and not have to
carry a journal around, or ifyou hadn't quite figured out how
to do that on your technologypiece of equipment, or if you're
just a writer and what comesthrough is through pen and paper
.
Yes, it, um.
I wanted it to be a combinedthing, to where it was all in
(06:00):
one and easy to carry about ifit's nicely in a purse and um
doesn't take up a lot of space.
Yes, so going much bigger or uh, whatever, uh, wait, I'll
explore.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yes, yeah, excuse me, I have to stop for a commercial
break.
This commercial is brought toyou by unlocked the 45 day
challenge.
That'll be coming out soon.
It's actually a book that I'mwriting, um, that helps you to
balance and clear old beliefsand begin your life in a
(06:37):
different way every day.
Balance all three of theemotional, physical and
spiritual realms of your life.
Yeah, that, so that'll be outhere soon.
I've actually almost got itdone.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Would you?
It's actually your second book.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's my second book, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Your first book.
That's out there.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Sales Energy Method.
Yeah yeah.
It's on Amazon and KDP.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think the beautiful thing about it is that the book
you're writing now calledUnlocked um the book you're
writing now called unlocked itfeeds nicely off the script the
scripted from within, and itdoes it from a perspective of,
would you say from a perspectiveof the male premise.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You know it's the book that I wish I had when I
started awakening.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Going on a different type of earthly yes, complicated
, very, very tough journey, yes,but still kind of it's got my
personal story in it, so yeah,it's got my personal story in it
, which I hope you all willenjoy when you read it.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So it is gives you the keys, cause uh, it is, uh,
gives you the keys to every day,and it's the book that I wish I
had when I was awakening, whenI was going through that process
, because there it's so limitedinformation.
There's nothing out therethat's direct, nothing that says
, hey, do this, this and yeah,and, and this book I wrote for
it to do that.
It gives you daily things to do.
(08:09):
Send you a daily affirmationOnce you sign up for it, it'll
send you a daily affirmation inyour email to kind of reinforce,
and it also has my notes fromwhere I actually went through my
awakening process in it and thelittle stages that that, uh
will kind of help encourageeverybody along the way because
it you know when you, whenyou're going through all this
beliefs and patterns andprograms and you, if you don't
have somebody to talk to throughit right.
(08:29):
It can be a little daunting andyou, you say to yourself oh my
gosh why am I doing this?
Or why am I doing it?
This is, this is bullcrap, thisis too hard, and and those
little words of encouragementthat come along to kind of help.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, and aren't you currently doing like a little
kind of beta test on the dailyaffirmations being sent over?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, it's working, it's working.
Uh, I started it five days agoand I got my fifth one today.
Then it gave me on top of that,it gave me the daily
affirmation, the uh, um, kind ofan overview of what's coming
next.
And it worked out.
It's working well.
Nice I'm beta testing it.
Yeah, we'll see how it goes.
(09:12):
That way, people can sign upand it'll just automatically
come to you via text or email iswhat I'm working on.
Yeah, because this morning itcame text like I asked.
Very nice, very nice and everyfifth day will come on your text
message.
That's what it's I'm working on, so, but anyway, are you ready
to move on to the podcast?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I am, except one thing, yeah, I wanted to bring.
So yesterday we went andtreated ourselves to fingers and
toes yeah and so what color didyou pick yesterday?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I got orange, yeah, but I got fluorescent orange.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, it looks really good with your tan.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
With my tan.
Yeah, it does, I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But the interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Thing is now that you've put the energy out there.
Another gentleman came in withhis female and he had his toes
done as well, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, so we're seeingthat embracing, that opening the
side of things embracing the,the concept of not needing to
(10:17):
have that hard core.
Well, it's a masculine identity.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That is nonsense.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
It's judgment and I think that's why I am so
hell-bent on it is becausenobody has the right to judge me
.
Ever nobody gets that card intheir pocket to use on me right
and I am a six foot tall, 220pound, muscled up man that's
tattooed, and when you walk intoa pedicure shop and you have
painted toenails, they look atyou like you're cross-eyed and
(10:48):
crazy right, you're kind of thatbad boy harley rider look, and
so you don't fit I don't fit themetrosexual like archetype at
all I agreewhich makes it even more
beautiful yes, and, and becauseI don't worry about it, I mean,
let's talk about it.
You know, you know, uh, may,may.
(11:08):
His energy flow through thewhole universe is ozzy osbourne
just passed away here not verylong ago and ozzy always painted
his toenails and fingernails.
But one of the most respectedmen in the in the metal world
yeah, metal music world everlived and he was known as crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And that's actually another label that they do.
When people do that, right, youknow you'll see these rock and
rollers that have their nailspainted black and they get
labeled as you know, crazy oryou know off the wall or
different, and that's not faireither.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Or back in our day, it was satanic yeah, satanic.
I remember the devil worshipersso ridiculous just because
they're, and if you've evertalked with him and interacted
with him.
He is such a soft andcompassionate and intelligent
gentle yeah, oh yeah, this's acompassionate, gentle individual
(12:07):
that is actually very awakenedand enlightened.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, I mean, he's not.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He's not awakened now .
Technically he is awakened, buthe's not awakened.
But you know, I enjoyed yourmusic for many years.
I've been to many OzFests in mylife and, hey, ozzy, I enjoyed
your music for many years.
I've been to many Oz fests inmy life and, uh, hey, ozzy, I
hope your journey continues onin the next dimension.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, he says right on.
Thank you, brother.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yep, yep, yep, they, you, you've influenced me in
many ways.
I don't even know it Like when.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, that was, that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
He came out on the steps after he started wearing
mascara and they was out of theNew York times and they were.
They were kind of making fun ofhim.
He comes out on the steps ofthat church and he bites off the
head of that bird.
Nobody spoke about him again,you want crazy.
You want crazy, I'll show youcrazy.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'll give you crazy MFers.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Kind of funny actually.
But remember, you know, what'scrazy is is we used to do that
when we were quail hunt, so it'snot a big deal well, yeah, I
mean, if you look at differentcultures, around the world that
honor the archetype of stayingtrue to their um heritage and
heritage from back in the day.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That's a ritualistic event that takes place when you
take the life of something.
Each culture has its own drinkthe blood type thing of, you
know, eating the heart or youknow, actually, what it is.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
What it is in the culture when I was in the native
culture, when I was taught byone of the guys I went hunting
with for the first time.
Or quail hunting is they onlyhave two pieces of meat that you
can eat, right, they're boththe breasts, right.
And so you stick your finger inthe backside, you pull out the
guts, bite the head off and youpeel the, and that way you ain't
got to carry all the extraweight yeah, so a quick story to
(14:07):
share, uh, because before youcan do all that, you got to
pluck the feathers, right?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
no, no, well, that's what I was taught yeah, as a
child.
I was in literally inkindergarten, and we lived so
far out in the country and wedidn't have a lot of money this
is when my parents were back,when we were younger.
A lot of a lot of families andso at this point we lived with
(14:35):
my mother, and so funds wereextremely limited.
I think she was working as awaitress, whatever.
I literally had a four hour busdrive ride to kindergarten, so
I had to pack a morningbreakfast and then a lunch, but
to get to my story, we caughtsupper and it was we were on a
(14:58):
piece of land where the dove andthe quail were abundant.
the dove and the quail wereabundant, yeah, and so my aunt
lived with us on the propertyand she had an older son, so it
was his job to go out and shootthe bird and it was my job to
pluck the feathers off and getit ready, to finish the
(15:22):
processing part of it, and myfavorite item that would be made
would be dove breast and rice.
And that's basically at thattime in our life that's what we
were kind of raised on, and itwas so good how my aunt made it.
I lapped it up like a littlehungry pup.
(15:43):
I can remember it being so goodhow my aunt made it.
I lapped it up like a littlehungry pup.
I can remember it being so goodyeah, you know, that was back in
the day there was, there wastimes that's the only way we ate
.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, it's by hunting and fishing, but anyway, my job
was to pluck the feathersmoving on in our podcast.
Now are you ready?
Yeah we're going to continuefrom last week.
Do you remember what lastweek's session was?
From the last one.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Sex.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Sex.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, ooh, can you give us a?
Oh, that's not it.
Nope, wait a minute.
Nope.
Oh, my God, that's the blue one.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't know this one .
Well, that's the music one.
I need to label them.
I don't ever label them.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You don't ever use them.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I know right, we don't ever use some.
I know right um the we don'thave to now.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I wanted more of a taboo audience.
You can add.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You can add the, uh, the stuff in.
Now you don't even have to anddon't even need those buttons
anymore, and yeah with AI's help, yeah which further proves my
mathematical computation thatI'm trying to get acknowledged.
Yeah, that's for sure, andyou'll get it, I know you will.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So last week we talked about spiritual sex.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So to speak.
Is that different than humansex?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
No, we're talking about sex in a spiritual manner.
Ah okay, and the main topicthat we talked about was how
people believe it's a chore inrelationships and how it can
become entangled with oldbeliefs and everything.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, yeah, from not only a female perspective, but
you brought in the maleperspective of a kind of a
performance-based yes.
And I brought in theperspective of performance-based
, but we did it from the twodifferent genders, yeah, and
then the conquering standpoint.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's where you know , uh the just to recap
everything was a challenge insex and so it became a
conquering mindset, and when youhave a conquering mindset it
doesn't ever work out too well.
But the point behind it now iswhat I think we ought to move
into in the sexual topic isunderstanding energetic flow and
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not human forcefulness.
And because we as humans havetaught, the world teaches us
everything.
If you stop and just lookaround, almost every
advertisement anymore that'slike a chicken dance.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We're on video now, so we're doing the crab hands.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
If you look around and all of the advertisements
are pretty much sexual, based insome sort of a manner, unless
it's a drug or prescriptioncommercial.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But I feel like sometimes those even have some
they do a little bit sexualinnuendo they do I I would agree
, and I'm really tired of seeinga prescription drug commercials
.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think, uh, I think they need to be banned again,
like they used to be.
They shouldn't be able toadvertise a prescription drug
yeah, but we want to stay ontopic.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yes, stay on topic.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Another podcast but the topic about it is is
understanding that the societyinfluences our thoughts and you
know they influence it withradio, with stereo, with
advertising, with billboards,with anything Like.
There was one time I passed abillboard in Texas on I-35.
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And on that billboard it hadthis very beautiful model
sprawled all the way out in abikini, okay and at the top of
it it said find your inner pornstar.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And it was an advertisement for a tanning
salon.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Oh, goodness me.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And I remember driving by that and my daughter
saying what does tanning have todo with porn?
Oh goodness me.
And I remember driving by thatand my daughter saying what does
tanning have to do with porn?
And because she was like 13 or14, she knew what porn was Right
.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I was like well, have you ever seen a pale porn star?
She's like Daddy, I've neverseen a porn star.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
No, she actually answered the question and I
looked at her like cross-eyed,like.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Side-eyed her.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, side-eyed her.
You know.
The whole point behind what I'mgetting at is it influences our
thoughts and our processes,like that billboard right there.
Told my daughter that if you'retanned, you look like a porn
star, which is a desirable thing, which is a desirable thing.
Which is a desirable thing.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
According to the billboard.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
According to the billboard.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Right.
So, unfortunately,inadvertently, what happens is
it begins to give the femalethis misconceived concept.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
About self.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I want to be accepted into society.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And be viewed as sexy or sexual.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I have to begin to achieve this look.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And she actually said to me in that conversation well
, I'm pale, I don't tan likethat, I burn or I don't.
And I said yeah, and so youcould almost see the wheels
turning in your head.
You know like, oh, does thatmean I'm never going to be sexy?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And man, what a, what a uh.
The word I'm looking for it'suh.
What a way to dilute a selfimage of somebody, somebody's
personal self image ofthemselves and what they do we
do it all the time and and howthat coordinates with our
podcast is I want to get into itis is.
(21:28):
I've been thinking about thispodcast a lot since we had it
last week because the sexualtopic is is an issue in
everybody.
I say an issue, not really Anissue is kind of a harsh word.
It's a subject in mosteverybody's relationship and
when you are working offsocietal top beliefs and not
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have a deeper understanding fromwithin you that you have
certain parameters, you have tolook a certain way, you have to
act a certain way, you have tobe a certain way.
What it does is it causes acouple of things.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Do tell.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
One is your self-perception.
A is how you have to act, howyou have to be, how you have to
perform, and I'm talking aboutmen and women, both, and so this
is a general broad spectrum.
And how you have to look and howyou have to look and how you
have to behave.
It gets put out there in acertain way that you are not
(22:24):
doing sex right unless it looksthis way Right, and then the
other part of that is thenegativity behind it that you
get within it when you don'thold up to those societal type
beliefs.
Hold up to those societal typebeliefs you know like, for
example and I'm going to go on areligious little- spot here,
Not really a rant.
(22:49):
You know, religion teaches youto keep your virginity as long
as you can, and you know, and italso teaches you that you only
marry once.
I mean most religions, youreligions, they frown upon.
Some churches won't evendivorce you.
They frown on you.
If you're going to get adivorce, oh no.
So on both sides of that,they're not combating societal
(23:10):
sexual beliefs, but they're justlike putting a burp.
Stop to it.
They're not talking about it,they're not making it real and
they're not making peopleunderstand the validity or the
non-valid points that they haveobtained in self-beliefs, and so
(23:31):
they just put a staunch into itand don't even talk about it.
Like you know, when I was thereligious community you mean,
yes, a lot of the differentreligions.
You know when, when I was thereligious community.
You mean, yes, a lot of the alot of the different religions.
You know sexist football.
I mean there's some religionsthat women can't even walk
around uncovered right, yeah andand the reality is this is no
matter what religion you are,doesn't matter what you look
like or feel like you act like.
(23:52):
If you understand withinyourself your, your beliefs that
have been taught wrong and thenwork through those beliefs, it
can change a lot of perceptionsin your life, like, for example,
the swingers community.
We're going to talk about thatbecause we live in Florida and
one of the largest swingerscommunity in the world is right
up the street right you knowthose, they get viewed as their
(24:16):
whores or their sluts.
And the men, of course, theyknow they get, they get held up
on a pedestal, that there's somekind of a King in there and
they have this, you know,astronomically sized, you know
and wallet, and wallet and sugardaddy, and so all these faux
Paul labels get put on them aswell.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But everybody views them as being and walks the
stalker stalker, because thisone's down here and you know.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So.
Everybody views the swingerscommunity as being wrong, or you
know?
Yeah, and let's stop and reallythink about that a minute,
because all they're doing isbeing themselves.
They're not conforming tosocietal top beliefs or
religious beliefs Right, they'regoing with their natural energy
(25:11):
.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
And what feels good to them.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And they have a deeper understanding of who they
are and what they are.
And the main point of what Iwas getting to is truly a Wasabi
Help Did she scratch you.
No, If you are truly in tunewith oneself like you always
(25:36):
talk about, um, being in tunewith yourself and understanding
because everybody has a littlebit different perspectives on on
sex in their life because ofsocietal top beliefs and stop
and really get back to your trueself and kind of discover what
is it that you do want, what isit that you feel like?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And go through every aspect of that.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, and I will say that a very wise man taught me
early on and it was a verydeep-seated concept that I had
to navigate and still havelayered concepts of it that come
up and still have layeredconcepts of it that come up that
I was taught early on was sexdoes not equal love.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
That is such a prominent belief that is out
there and deeply entangled in somany things that are going on,
especially in the female world.
Yeah, I can remember as a youngindividual, the first time I
had sexual relations.
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That male used that word toconvince me to do the act.
And there became theentanglement of that thing, but
it was because that was what hewas taught.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Is that if you love each other, then you're going to
do this.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
You're going to share that special moment.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You're going to share that special moment, you're
going to do this act, and so forso many people, it gets defined
almost inappropriately.
Not inappropriately, but itgets defined in a confusing way
and then it starts to entanglein everything else.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's about definitions.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I can speak about the female person within me.
I went through my life carryingthat definition with me.
Yeah, and if I?
Well, for example, if I wantedto show him that I loved him,
then I performed sexual act toshow my love yeah, because
(28:01):
nothing show loves better thanfellatio right, because I was
confused about it and nine timesout of ten it was being read
that way anyways yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's because, and that's because you're taught to
think that way right and that'swhat religion does is keep your
virginity.
Don't have sex till you'remarried, because you're supposed
to love one another.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right, but the confusing part of it.
I'm coming full circle backaround is if the church is
teaching keep your virginity,and I have a definition that
says sex equals love, but then Igo to church and what?
What I'm supposed to do is nosex.
Then how am I ever going toshow anybody that I love them?
(28:41):
You see the entanglement of thequandary that lives on what
that whole shit and ass mess isthat I then have to later
unentangle in session withclients and with myself.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I have a client that his wife thinks he's cheating
all the time yeah.
And just because the perceptionof how he's supposed to act is
not how he is acting.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
And red flags, red flags, red flags go flying up
the minute something doesn't gothe way she thinks it should.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Right, even like last week's example that was
completely preposterous, thatyou used of her having
experienced a cheating situation.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And now those red flags pop up because of
behaviors that are going on thatshe's defined as red flag
moments.
I gotta catch it in thisrelationship.
Yeah, and he's never evencheated or done any of that
while they're together right,you know, and here she still
(30:11):
brings that historicalexperience with her and almost
convicts him of the thing yeah,you know without it being even a
plausible thing one of myfootball official buddies when I
was officiating football backin the day.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
um, him and I had a very long conversation about
this because he made the commentone day of because he was
married and was sleeping aroundhis wife all the time.
And I want to end like, likeright there, I just use this as
(30:47):
a titlecom, and sleeping aroundwith his is a derogatory way of
saying he is addicted toconquering.
And it does not mean it's causehe's out sleeping with him.
It does not mean he doesn'tlove his wife.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
It just she has taught that if he cheats, he
don't love her, and so do you do.
You see the conflicting thing.
The church teaches you to keepyour virginity until you get
married because you lovesomebody.
Then you have sex, and theminute that that hormone in men
erupts, it is a recipe for thedisaster, because they don't
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ever teach them what to do withit.
Right, I was one of thosepeople.
I never got them what to do withit.
Right, I was one of thosepeople.
I never got taught what to dowith it, never got one told
anything.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, and as a female that same hormone exists.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Oh, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And arousal and sexuality.
That all exists within thewoman.
But we are taught to dumb itdown and ignore it and not
express it, because then we'resluts or whores or uh, whatever
any of those derogatory titlesare.
And so we're taught to ignoreit completely.
So we don't even get theopportunity to really truly dive
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in and feel the feeling of itand experience or see sex from a
place of true inner enjoymentyeah, totally because we're
taught to ignore it you're aslut.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
If you do it right, you act on it.
You're a slut yeah and that iswrong right.
How dare you enjoy life?
and you know gold digger, yeah,whatever yeah, there's a bunch
of them out there there's a lot,but the you know and here's
another side of the two that Iwanted to bring up before we
kind of get through a processthat I've got in my head okay is
(32:29):
when I used to work in a greatbig gold building in dallas and
there was this woman in thatoffice Is there a reason you're
referencing a gold buildingspecifically.
Yeah Well, not really.
It's because I can't name thename.
I don't want to name the name.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
It's a very large company and there was a woman
that worked in that office.
She was there, was literally.
You could look at that womanand find nothing wrong yeah
nothing.
She was just the epiphany ofperfectly proportioned,
(33:05):
intelligent, beautiful, andthere was.
I mean, she was just sexy andshe always wore, you know,
clothes that were perhaps alittle edgy on the business side
, a little risky compared tobusiness attire.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know, but she was always professional, 100% Right
, and she was married tosomebody.
You're like.
When you met the guy, you'relike, wow, those two do not go
together.
He was a computer programmerfor IBM and he looked like the
guy from revenge, the nerds withthe glasses and the pocket
protector.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, he for ibm, and he looked like the guy from
revenge the nerds with theglasses and the pocket protector
.
Yeah, yeah, he came in.
He came in for the christmasparty.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I was like wow what right.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
But come to find out that she was a closet geek until
she met him and he was like no,just be beautiful, be yourself
right, yeah and anyway I hadwomen coming to me complaining
that this woman is walkingaround the office like this,
like she would take her shoesoff and walk.
It's even a perfect feat.
It was like nuts.
All the guys were talking aboutit and my boss said I'm going
(34:07):
to talk to her.
I'm like bro, do you realize?
Your production and your mailside is going to go down because
of where her office was.
The guys had to get stuff doneso they could print, because the
printer was not very far fromher office, and so they would
hurry up and get all the reportsdone and print them so they
could go to the printer.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And walk by her office.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, and walk by her office, and so I was like your
production is going to go down,your reports are going to be
behind.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Not only that, but it's not fair.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Right and I said so.
Why?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Because other females are jealous.
You're going to make thisperson change how she presents
herself.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, it was really.
You know, that's theconversation I had with him.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, have a talk with the females that are
complaining about it and say youknow, have the conversation
with them.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Right, so I sit down in his office and I put my feet
up on his desk.
I sit back in his chair.
I sit back in his chair.
I'm like Roger, let's talkabout this a minute.
I said let's pull it all aside,and I got nothing to do with
that woman's performance at work.
Right, because she outperformsevery other woman in this
building, and that's trulywhat's really going on.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Is because she is the total package.
That's right, and they'rejealous of it, and so they're
going to start complaining thatshe's just dressing not
appropriately.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Right, they got to find something.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
They got to try to find something wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
To make themselves feel better.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
But because of this woman and what she had created,
and she literally raised the bar.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
On many levels, on many levels, on many levels, not
only for the women, but withthe men.
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
For production.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
For production.
Yes totally but visualappearance yes, Intelligence and
the time frame of productivity.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It made everybody step up their game, essentially.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right.
And so he said well, I've gotto do something, because it's
going to become an HR issue.
If I don't, I'm like.
No, dave, you just telleverybody.
Hey, you know what, I'll gotalk to her when you can do the
job that she does.
When you perform at her level.
I will talk to her about herattire Right.
Until then, quit findingreasons to complain about the
person that's outperforming you.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Exactly Call them out on their nonsense.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Right, and it's because they're acting on
societal beliefs.
But anyway, the point I wasgetting to was is, when I met
these at this Christmas partyfor this conversation and I
talked to them I actually talkedto them because I've always
been that guy- them being theman, the, the female and, and
her and her husband partner theone that looked like the guy
(36:45):
from revenge of the nerds.
Yeah, I swear to god, he lookedjust like him, even had the
glasses the real thick.
I mean they weren't taped butthey had the black rim glasses
yeah and we're sitting there andwe're just kind of sitting the
table drinking, and I was.
I was really curious about him.
Okay, and you know me, that'sjust what I do right I interview
people all the time and theydon't even know it.
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And I and he was telling methat, yeah, they met in college
when she was studying computersciences, because that's what
she did for that company was.
She did you know, back then itwasn't called networking, it was
called uh processes, computerprocesses, and uh, uh, you know,
yeah, they met in college, blah, blah, blah, blah, and she
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always wore big, frumpy clothesand and had her pony.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
He was telling me all the whole story well, yeah, and
even that concept not tointerrupt your story real quick.
But the big frumpy clothes wasto hide her natural beauty
probably because she got dingedand binged about it all through
her life right I, because I Ican relate to that yeah I mean
(37:53):
coming up in high school.
I was one of those individualsthat had a very active body
style, but I had been blessedwith you had an active what.
Body style, but I got blessedwith very huge breasts.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah.
Huge it's going to be huge.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I got the same thing.
I got beat up by the femalepeople Because of something I
didn't even.
Get control of.
If I wore certain shirts orwhatever, then I was being
slutty or you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And it starts to affect the way that you present
yourselves.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And so like in the conversation, he said yeah, she
changed.
He said I'll never forget thatCause this woman actually had
like the perfectly copper toneskin.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, but she didn't even have to work, never tanned
yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
And she never tanned Right and, and so I was.
He said yeah.
He said when she walked downthe aisle at my wedding she,
literally I had to ask the mypastor is that my wife?
Because she looks so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And uh he was used to .
Just to recap, he was used toseeing her in the front the
clothes and clothes, and so nowshe had her makeup all done, she
had her hair did, then she had,she had her contacts in right
and uh, he said you know?
He said until she got aboutthree foot from the podium I
don't think that I ever realizedhow beautiful her green eyes
(39:33):
were, oh, and how deep they were, because the glasses always
hinders it, she said.
He said I knew she had prettyeyes, but not that deep a green.
Yeah, and he said I told herwhen she walked up on the podium
I don't care what happens afterthis day, but I don't care what
happens after this day, but youshould always keep your beauty
(39:54):
out.
And he said she's been this wayever since.
And he said insecure is all getout she, but she loves dressing
up, she loves being the barbiedoll.
Yeah, but she didn't because ofher higher intelligence level,
which he's very highlyintelligent yeah she was always
taught to dumb it down that'sright, that's.
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But it goes back to societalbeliefs and talking about sex.
You know, when we talk aboutsex and we talk about spiritual
sex, what I mean by spiritualsex is this is a if you don't
know who you are inside yet, youshould not experience sex,
right?
You need to understand who youare, yeah, and you need to
understand that societal beliefsare not the way sex is.
(40:39):
Porn is not the way sex is.
Yeah, now it can be that way.
Right.
But here's the cool part aboutall of it it can be any way you
want it to be.
Yeah, sex can be any way.
Level of sex to where you havea complete relationship, a
interaction that is spirituallydriven, takes two things.
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One is you have to identifyyour beliefs that you don't
believe in or don't feel right,that are society taught.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Because when you take sex to the level that you're
performing and doing duties andmaking it a chore and because
I'm married I have to keep myhusband's tummy full and his
balls empty concept.
If you're actually performingunder that duties, you are way
off base.
And on the other side of that,on the male side, if you're out
(41:31):
there conquering, you don't needto be getting married either.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And don't get me wrong, Unless it's in a like
like the swingers can be on top,Unless it's in a spiritually
guided, directed energyNegotiation up front.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
In your relationship.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Because here's the reality of it is even if you all
have a spiritual connection andyou both talk about it, and if
you do it behind their back,it's not about the sex, it's not
about the love.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
No, it's a deeper.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It's about the energetic connection.
Trust broke because you knowlike for you, the very first
thing you said to me was ifyou're ever going to cheat, make
sure I know about it beforehandand I'll go help you.
Yeah, I mean that was the thingwith me is.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
It wasn't that I got cheated on Right on, because
I've always been, even inchildhood, around many topics,
very open to the 360 degreeconcept of anything, and sex was
no different.
I knew that I wanted to have avery open viewpoint about it,
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because it didn't make any senseto me to think about being in a
situation that either a limitedmy partner from being able to
explore that topic right, fullyand wholly, but myself as well,
correct, and uh, I, I did sharethat up front.
(43:01):
I, I wanted you to know up frontyeah, totally, and I had much
more respect for it and the partabout being air quote cheated
on right was the fact that itwas done behind your behind my
back like I'm some kind ofignorant person who will never
find out that doesn't havespirit guides that tell you yeah
, exactly, yeah those arestories for another day because
(43:26):
I literally had no idea, and theway they came about yeah, no,
totally no, I get it, but anyway.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
So going back to it.
So one is make sure withinyourself you understand what it
is that you're trying to do withsex.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
And what that definition is.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
What the definition is, because in reality is the
sex is for two things, yeahProcreation and pleasure.
If you're using it tomanipulate somebody, if you're
using it to do anything otherthan pleasure or procreation,
then you're doing it for thecompletely the wrong reasons
yeah, if it's performance based,if it's chore based, any of
that.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
And another.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Number two is a if you identify those things and
you find out if you're doing itfor the right reason or the
wrong reason and you're actuallysatisfying yourself.
As number two is is if you'reusing sex to fulfill a void in
your life, if you're depressed,if you're, you know, if there's
something that feels incomplete,and you're just out there like
(44:20):
like.
I had a friend of mine.
He would man that dude.
I don't know how many women heslept with, but it had to be
hundreds that I hung out withHundreds.
And I asked him when I'm like,what are you trying to
accomplish?
One of these days you're goingto.
One of these days you're goingto come across the wrong one.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
You know cause, most of the time he liked to go there
was this one bar in frisco,texas, that he liked to go to.
Yeah, because that's where allthe married women went.
That took the rings off beforethey came in.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
It was a little exclusive bar right and and he's
not wanting like a committedinteraction.
No, he was a completelycommitted.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
No, I'm not saying he wasn't in one right, but the
additional play toys.
He wasn't wanting them to becommittal.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Right, and that's what I asked him Like what are
you searching for?
What are you doing?
Yeah, you know why.
I mean he would literally picka girl up at the bar, go out to
the car, come back in, drinksome more, pick up another one
and go in the car.
I mean it was insane, of course.
You know it was everybody about30 seconds they were.
(45:25):
You know it was everybody about30 seconds.
They were outside.
But there was a point behind itand I was like what are you
doing, man?
And he said I don't know, Idon't know why I do this right
and so that he had a void.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
You know well, yeah, and that's the big red flag is
if you don't know the why that'swhere I was going.
It doesn't matter whether it'ssex or drugs or alcohol or food
Right, like if we just don'ttalk about even the negatives,
if you're just eating to eat.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
And you don't know why, or you know anything,
anything kind of compulsive andobsessive, so to speak, and you
don't know the why.
Behind it, that is a big flag,it's a big red flag, and you
don't know the why behind it.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
That is a big flag.
It's a big red flag.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
There is more to look at within you, that there's
obviously some place that's notfully fulfilled and you're
trying to fill it with something.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Right, so that you feel whole and you feel complete
.
You're just looking in thewrong place.
So let me recap.
Step one is identify withinyourself societal beliefs.
Right, what is it that you'relooking for in sex?
Number two is why?
Yeah, why are you doing it, ifyou can identify that?
And now number three it's veryeasy Own who you are.
(46:34):
Yeah, if you are the person thathas to be married to have sex,
then own it Right, be proud ofit.
Yep, and because you know, whenyou live in this world, in this
spiritual, metaphysicalenvironment, we know one thing
hey, what you think about youbring about, the energy you put
out, you get back Right.
And if you are that person andyou put it out there to the
(46:55):
universe that I am this personand you own it Right, I mean
100%, own it.
Own it, then go be that personand put it out there and the
universe will bring you theperson, just like you.
If you are that person that isdoing it just because you like
to, you like the pleasure of sex, then own it.
Then own it and be open aboutit, be honest about it, just
(47:19):
like you are.
If you're that person that wantsto wait till marriage, be
honest and open about it.
If you're that person that'sthis out there because you just
like sex, you enjoy it, thenthen own it.
You know, and then you know itdoesn't matter who you are, what
you are within that world,because what you're going to
find out is what I'm teachingyou right here in the sexual
talk, which is kind of apassionate thing for me because
(47:40):
it's been a subject in my lifefor many years.
And you'll find out that thisprocess that Jenny actually
describes the process very wellin her book, the scripted from
within book, the process verywell in her book, the Scripted
From Within book it will marryfrom one subject in your life to
(48:01):
the other and the main thing Ican tell you is this is whatever
decision that you make, makesure it's yours and make sure
you own it.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
That's right.
That's right.
Make sure it is yours.
That's the key thing.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Clear all the negative about it, not somebody
else's.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Right, it's no different than.
What kind of eggs do you like?
Speaker 1 (48:20):
right?
Yeah, you're totally right.
You like them scrambled, friedflip right upside down backwards
it's no different behind yourback, in front of your back, how
you like them, it doesn'tmatter right, it does not matter
.
It does not, it does not matterand another part of this I think
is very important is the laststep I would say in anything is
(48:41):
you have to make it okay.
You have to make it okay withinyourself to be who you are and
own it and be relaxed about it.
Who cares?
I don't care, I have paintedtoenails.
I could care less what youthink of me.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, because essentially what that does is
that will bring about yourinternal self-worth and
worthiness Right.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I'm not going to change for nobody.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Whittle away the layers of the societal taught,
parental taught beliefs aroundsexuality Yep, around sexuality
and all the different thingsthat it's entangled in.
It can definitely whittle awayat your self-worth.
Yeah, totally, and bringingthat back to a healthy place
(49:28):
changes your perspective and howyou move about your reality,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Totally.
I 100% agree with you.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
It also does it just to bring in the scientific,
because that's where we are, youknow.
It also does it on a chemistrylevel.
There are certain chemicalsthat are produced and released
within the body when you talkabout sex, interact with sex.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
And all of that, and when someone like you gave the
example, he's going out anddoing this sex thing, the reason
that it is still a viableanswer is because, on a chemical
level, there's adrenalinethere's adrenaline and a
dopamine and oxytocin drop inthe body.
(50:15):
That gives that temporaryfulfillment what's that?
Speaker 1 (50:19):
a drop is a raise, right I, when I say drop into
the body, release okay, at leastI'll use that word, okay
because you're right.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Drop can mean many different things.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
They think your levels are gonna go down release
within the body.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
That happens whether you're doing it um, here, here's
the catch when you're doing iteither with another human being
that agrees to do it, or you'redoing it with yourself.
Yeah, that chemical which isokay to it is okay to do it, but
doing it for the right reasons,right, um, because you know it,
(50:58):
it still releases that chemicalor those chemicals in the body,
and that can be what you'rereaching for, rather than the
true, authentic finding, the,the feeling of the fact that
it's a void right, and that canbe a trip up point well, and
(51:21):
also also part of that is thosechemicals dropping into your
system and, you know, raisingthose levels in your body
naturally can become addictiveit can and like that's where I
was going with it he didn't knowwhy he was doing it until I
told him right, and so then whathappens is there's actual
neural pathways that getcompleted in the brain, which
(51:44):
then is how habits are formedand
so the brain says, okay, well,when you're feeling yucky, uh,
let's go down this path andlet's pop in easy to get on your
phone porn, do a littlemasturbation and that's the
quickest way to get what you'rewanting.
(52:07):
But the trick with that is it'snot the true, authentic
accountability solution to whatyou're looking for.
It's a temporary thing and youhave to explore that deeper on
an aware level to find out whatthe true void is really about
(52:32):
given its real name, I think.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
I think I want to make sure and clarify something.
Okay, masturbation is aboutself-discovery.
Of course, and it's okay to dothat is okay to do.
Now, if you are doing it for adifferent reason other than
self-discovery, andunderstanding your body, because
it is part of a natural growthprocess for everybody, and you
should self-discover, becauseyou can't satisfy anybody else,
(52:57):
so you know how to satisfyyourself.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I agree 100% everybody and you should
self-discover, because you can'tsatisfy anybody else, so you
know how to satisfy yourself, Iagree a hundred percent and I
didn't bring up it and a way toright, I just wanted to make
sure I was taking the examplethat you gave with him, and I
wanted to incorporate the factof it doesn't matter whether
you're doing it with human ordoing it with yourself.
That's right.
If you're not clear on whyyou're doing it, then you are
not addressing the true reasonfor the void that you're trying
(53:19):
to fill.
Even if it is a sex with anotherhuman being or sex with
yourself, utilizing porn orwhatever, it still is giving you
a chemical release that'stemporarily filling the void and
stop and understand that thereis a void, if there is a void,
(53:45):
and fill that with the goodstuff of uh self-worth and then
go forth and masturbate.
Or then go forth and have sexwith who and however many you
want.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Then you won't have that next level experience.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Totally, totally agree.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
That's all I'm saying .
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Now this is getting long so we're going to have to
cut it.
So I'm going to give you alittle teaser because I think
next podcast or coming up in oneof the next podcasts.
So it's kind of I'm gonna giveyou a little teaser because I
think next podcast or coming upin one of the next podcasts,
we'll talk about individualizedbeliefs you bring into
relationship and sex.
We'll talk about that.
That's what I think we I wantto bring that up Now, we'll talk
about it somewhere down theroad.
But.
(54:33):
But I also want to talk aboutis hey, we got big, we got into
banks coming up.
We are going to be teaching thePower of Positive Thought
School at the Holistic House inHolly Hill, florida.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Starting on October 5th.
It's a 16-week course.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
If you want to join the course, it's $25 a session,
or you can buy the whole sessionfor it.
Would be $400 if you paid forit outright, but if you pay for
it upfront it's $25 a session.
Or you can buy the wholesession for um.
It's would be $400 if you paidfor it outright, but if you pay
for it up front it's $360 forthe complete course and that
comes with the workbook and ornot workbook.
It's going to be a pamphlet,yeah, um, for not.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Are you talking about like an actual, like three-fold
pamphlet?
Or are you going to actuallyput together a?
Speaker 1 (55:18):
uh, it's a well, it's packet, it's a packet.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
A packet, that's a better word for it packet of
information and uh graphs anddifferent things yeah, so the
the the course starts on oh it'sraining it's raining, sorry,
editor well, I guess that's ourcue, huh but hey, listen, are
you gonna put a link on thewebsite about it?
(55:44):
Yes, I'm gonna have ouraddition to maybe, how to
contact holistic house to signup or I had that right there
actually hang on a second.
But how are you gonna get it tothe listeners?
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Yeah, I know you need to call the Holistic House
because you'll be doing all thereservations and everything over
the phone there and I'll giveyou that number here in a second
.
Hang on a second.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Can you just put it in the transcript down below.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I'll put it in the description down below for
everybody to see.
And uh, it's the phone numberyou can call and subscribe to
that.
And hey, and, if you're everaround florida, daytona beach,
holly hill area, make sure youswing by and and go to holistic
house.
It is an awesome place yeah,it's really got some good, good
vibes and if you need a cat,they also are an adoption center
(56:36):
for cats.
Cats there, too, got a lot ofgood vibes, and if you need a
cat, they also are an adoptioncenter for cats Absolutely Cats.
There too, Got a lot of goodvibes.
Got a lot of good people there.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
It is, it's really.
She is just really a phenomenalindividual.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
And has just a really really good energy about her.
Yeah, she's very pleasant to bearound.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Considering what she went through in the beginning
and the opening of that.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, where beginning ?
Speaker 1 (56:54):
and the opening of that man where she's in a great
place.
You know that's her story totell.
But you know, and that's thatis spelled.
A lot of people don't know howto spell holistic.
I have discovered it's.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
It's h-o-l, not w-h-o-l, it's h-o-l-i-s I laugh
because I would have beenwilling to spell it w-h-o-l.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
yeah, it is a holistic like it's supposed to
be spelled house in Holly Hill,florida, and that starts on
October 5th.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
And then Jenny and I will be available.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Which is a Friday.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
Which is a?
It's a Friday night.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, we're going to do it on Fridays from 5 to 7.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, from 5 to 7.
Which we may talk to her aboutdoing it from 6 to 8 because you
people got to have time to getoff work, you know, oh, yeah to
eight because you people got tohave time to get off work.
You know, oh yeah, goodthinking um, but we'll see what
happens.
I'll talk to her and also, uh,I'll be doing order readings
there.
You can also call.
I'll leave that phone numberwill all be in the uh
description down below.
I'm available for doing orreadings at the holistic house
(57:52):
anytime just call and scheduleit.
She'll call.
Let you know she knows myavailability and you're going to
be doing sessions as well.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, so I'll be providing my services of, you
know, helping people identifybeliefs that are no longer a fit
.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, belief sessions .
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Teaching them and working with them on how to
rewrite those, re-script them,toss them in the trash.
Rewrite those, rescript them,toss them in the trash.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
And then I also will be doing hypnosis sessions as
well, because she's got a reallycool hypnosis area that I can
do hypnosis sessions, Somepeople.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
you can get there a little quicker and circumvent
the human by going into hypnosis.
It works, for some it doesn't.
Some can sit in the chair andwe can get through it that way,
but it's just another momentmodality and this ain't a normal
hypnosis session.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
This is.
This is not the one where yousee the sign out on highway that
says stop smoking today andthen you walk into hypnosis no,
that's not what you can.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
Don't get me wrong you can, you can stop smoking
but traditionally I don't Idon't do those very often.
We actually dig around and, uh,you know beliefs and uh, I
usually will bring in yourhigher self and any of your
non-physical guides or council,council members, and we go about
(59:13):
it that way totally.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, get it.
But hey, guys uh got all lot ofgood stuff going got some stuff
going on and check out thewebsite and the store.
The website iswwwthemerchcentersorg.
The store is the saltytarotmyshopifycom yeah and
because she is the salty tarot,because she tells it how it is
if you don't believe me?
Speaker 2 (59:34):
go set one of her belief sessions right because,
but I do it with all the love inthe world.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah, don't worry, she's not going to leave you out
there without direction.
She's going to tell it to youhow it is, and then you're going
to cry for a minute or you'regoing to laugh, whatever it is
that she tells you, and thenyou're going to work together
through a process.
That's how she operates.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, you work together and the beauty of it is
sugar coating really for thedamn donuts yeah, I mean, why
use all the extra words?
Just to get to the point there,and it certainly doesn't get
you there in the quickest waythat's correct.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
And uh, look us up on facebook and instagram and
tiktok, we're there all the wayaround.
This is all getting interlinkednow that we are full time doing
this yeah it is uh slowly allcoming together I think it's
going very quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
honestly, it's gaining momentum and we're
getting it all out there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It's amazing, yep.
So her book is on Amazon andKDP, scripted From Within.
You can pick it up.
It is just like this for $15.89on Amazon and you get it on KDP
for $9.99.
My book, sales Energy Methods,is in the same place.
You can find it as well for thesame prices.
Oh, actually no, my paperbackis $14.99.
(01:00:50):
And pay attention, we've gotGranny Grimmar's coming out.
We have Unlocked the 45-dayunlock challenge.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yep, I started a new book about how to help the
empathic community.
Uh-oh, as I am one who's a bigfeeler of life.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I started that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Good, awesome so.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I got that coming.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Hey, don't forget to like, follow, share, leave us a
comment and if there's anythingyou want to talk about, either
comment it on one of the videosor one of the podcasts, send us
an email, go to the website andyou can subscribe to our
newsletter there and our blogsand if you want to come and be a
guest on the show yes, yes,just let us know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
We can do that via phone.
We can do it actually live.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
We can take calls and you can be a guest on the show.
Yeah, We'd love to hear whatother people have to say and
their impact on topics that theybring or that we bring.
And don't forget to ring thatbell.
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Hey, you all have an awesome day.
Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, love ya, we'll see you next time.
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