May 22, 2025 • 42 mins
The spiritual path often leads us to struggle with a critical question: When is it appropriate to stop self-sacrificing and stand up for ourselves? In this enlightening conversation, we explore the emotional journey that comes with giving yourself permission to fight for what's right while maintaining spiritual integrity.
Many spiritual seekers find themselves caught in patterns of excessive self-sacrifice, allowing difficulties to accumulate until their cup "runneth over." We discuss how standing up for yourself can initially feel uncomfortable—like you're "humanly interjecting" into a situation that should be handled with spiritual detachment. This discomfort manifests as an emotional yo-yo, swinging between pride in standing your ground and questioning why you're facing these challenges at all.
The conversation delves into a profound realization: being on a spiritual journey doesn't mean submission. Sometimes, affecting another person's journey through your actions is precisely what was negotiated between your souls. When you avoid necessary confrontation out of fear of causing discomfort, you might actually be avoiding an essential spiritual mission.
We share practical techniques for managing these challenging situations, including the powerful "What If" game. By consciously reframing scenarios with positive "what if" possibilities, you can shift your energy and perspective. Remember that problems and solutions exist at different frequencies—sometimes you need to step away from the "mucky water" to gain clarity.
Physical and emotional releases often accompany these breakthroughs, from tears to sensations of lightness, as your body chemistry adjusts to new perspectives. The ultimate takeaway? Have confidence that fulfilling your soul's contractual obligations leads to growth, and it's absolutely acceptable to give yourself permission to be authentic in every situation.
What areas of your life might be calling for you to stop self-sacrificing and start standing in your power?
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Good morning, dr James.
Good morning, we're back on thepodcast.
We are in studio today doinganother awesome podcast for the
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
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Speaker 1 (01:03):
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So did I.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
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Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yep, we're about to, we're almost to the publishing
level.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
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it.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:23):
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You want to know what today'stopic is?
Yes, do tell.
(02:27):
So I'm going to kind of give ita little bit of a prelude here.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Prelude and cream.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It is a A Wait a minute, hang on.
Prelude coming.
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Speaker 2 (02:50):
So we as spiritual beings, we needed a little magic
sprinkled in.
We love magic.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So we, as spiritual beings, have a tendency I say,
oh, I can't clump everybody in I, as a spiritual being, have a
tendency to try to navigate lifewithout hurting or bothering
others.
I try to accomplish my lifewith morals and ethics and try
to my best to really notnegatively affect anything and
(03:19):
leave everything better than Ifound it.
And we do that a lot of times,self-sacrifice things and we,
but we don't really realize thatwe're doing it.
And when we do that and whenyou figure out that you are
doing it, the way it feels togive yourself the permission to
(03:44):
stand up and fight when you needto fight for something almost
feels like you're humanlyinterjecting into something.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Say more.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So like, for example, when you're going through a
spiritual life and you reallytry not to affect anybody else's
bubble in a negative manner,you will self-sacrifice or allow
things to happen until you yourcup runneth over okay and
giving yourself the permissionto stand up and fight for what,
(04:14):
to write and fix those thingsthat we have self-sacrificed
when we've been wronged kind ofcan feel like we're humanly
interjecting and so that feelslike what?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Use your emotional guidance system and say what
that feels like.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, it starts with anger, you get mad about it and
then you work through youremotions to where you get
neutral in it and you're likeyou know what.
I'm tired of playing it.
I'm tired of doing this.
I'm going to stand up for what'sright okay, what's okay, and
then that feels better yes, whenyou get to that neutrality spot
(04:53):
yucky too well, it it bouncesit yo-yos for me and that's
where I'm at in the in myconversation is yeah, I bounce
back and forth from excited andproud I'm going to stand up for
myself, or whatever that is, orthen it goes over to golly man.
Why do I have to do this?
(05:14):
Why am I in this situationwhere I have to do it?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And so you yo-yo a little bit, and it makes you
feel very uncomfortable aboutyour world.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And so that's where my topic is today is giving
yourself the permission to.
You know, there's an old phraseIf you can't stand up for one
thing, you have to findsomething to stand up for, and
standing up for yourself.
That's it Now.
That was an old phrase.
It was back years ago.
I got her into the personaldevelopment class.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Um, but everybody should stand up for something,
because nobody's ever going tostand up for you until you stand
up for yourself.
And that's kind of where thatwas, and where this topic goes
for me is when is it okay togive yourself permission to quit
self-sacrificing, to stop it,you know?
Just stand up for you becausenobody's gonna.
Nobody's gonna stand up for youbecause nobody's going to.
(06:04):
Nobody's going to stand up foryou unless you do it yourself.
Okay, in today's world it usedto be, you know, people would
stand up for each other, andnowadays, man, it's like every
man for themselves.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It can certainly feel that way for sure.
Was that a rhetorical question,or did you want me to answer it
?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, it's rhetorically answered.
I guess I don't know where thispodcast is going, but it's just
my topic, because it's time forpeople to realize that being on
a spiritual journey does notmean you have to be submissive.
You don't have to bow down toeverybody or everything.
It's okay to stand up for whatyou believe in.
(06:44):
It's okay to stand up for whatyou know is right.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right.
I think the reminder I want togive, though, is standing up for
what you believe in, foryourself, or standing up for
yourself, and coming out of thisself-sacrifice template doesn't
have to necessarily be a fight,and it doesn't necessarily have
(07:09):
to be an ugly journey.
That's the first thing I wouldbring to light, and the other
part of it is I want to remindyou and others that sometimes,
changing people's lives by wayof your actions is what was a
(07:33):
negotiation between the two ofyou and it's supposed to happen,
and so don't get tangled uphumanly in the.
I don't want to change people'slives, because that could very
well be the mission itself inthat particular event, scenario,
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whatever situation, life.
Because you view what willhappen as a possible
uncomfortable situation for them, and you don't want to be the
root cause of that, you may benot honoring the underlying
mission that you and that otherhuman on a soul and on a soul
(08:19):
level, agreed that you would bethat person for that other
individual so that they couldexperience the contrast in a
negative way for their healing,their growth, their evolution.
so you got to remember that partof, and that goes kind of deep.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I get it, it's, it's kind of a rabbit hole yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
But you just want to make sure that you don't your
human opinion of okay, if I dothis thing, I have created an
opinion that if I do this, thesethings are going to happen and
they may or may not happen.
First of all, and when they dohappen, it's going to cause this
(09:06):
, this and this for that person.
And you have to remember, itmay not cause this, this and
this for that person unless thatperson, on a spiritual level,
with their own higher self, ismeant to experience it that way.
So you're kind of, in essence,allowing the monkey mind to
create your version of what youthink the story is going to do
(09:30):
and how the action taking thatyou're doing is going to play
out, and it may not becompletely truthful story.
So, then, you're acting on astory that you created, based on
your perspective and youropinions, and it will prevent
you from doing what you'resupposed to do within it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I totally agree with you.
I think where I'm coming fromfrom a little different
perspective, is, throughout theprocess of self-sacrificing and
all those things I basicallyallowed myself to be, things
happen and things to be done tome and whatever and now that
(10:16):
I've got to that point, to wherethat switch is flipped, it's
not about worrying about what'sgoing to happen to the other
person, it's about the.
It's like that.
God, now I got to do this.
You know the.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
But what I'm trying to get you to point out is is,
if it doesn't feel good, there'ssomething more to look at.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh no, I agree with that it should feel better.
Agreed and it does for me.
It is in a better, it's in afeel better place than I was in,
Okay, and so it is up theemotional ladder for me, for me
to stand up and fight for what'sright and for myself and quit
self, self-sacrificing andwhatever.
(10:58):
Whatever that journey brings, Ihave to be open to you know,
but it's still.
You get that human response ofdang I gotta, I gotta do this.
You know what I mean.
Like, like it's regret, but,and so I guess where I want the
podcast to go is making surethat we understand what you just
said is this stuff is journey.
(11:20):
A lot of it's contracted.
We create it with ourintentions and our beliefs, and
the world that we're in isdefinitely our own individual
world that we have created, andso what I'm viewing as
self-sacrifice was just steps inor parts of a play that is
playing out and that I havesigned up for.
(11:43):
I have a script and I'm goingthrough the processes of it,
through my intentions andbeliefs, but my human has that
tendency to be like holy cowagain, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And that's kind of where I were.
I want people to understandthat when you get to that point
and for me cause I'm kind ofworking through this right now
on air with you guys when we getto that point, to where you're
fed up enough of something, itis okay to not look at it as if
you self-sacrifice, but look atit in a way that you are just
(12:15):
playing a part in a, in a, in ascript, on a script, and could
be a contractual obligation.
It's okay to not allow yourselfto go into a negative thought
process.
Clear the beliefs and set theintentions appropriately that
everything works out the way asit should.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, I mean yes, but it's also an opportunity for
you to get a little more clearon taking your own
accountability of what yourreality is showing you within it
too, and that, if it'sbothering you and it's creating
some sort of emotion on theemotional guidance system that
(12:58):
it's, it's divulging to you thatyou're ready for an internal
change, an internal upgrade,whether it be letting go of a
belief or pattern or program orhabit, or updating it or
whatever.
It's telling you that it's timeand that you're strong enough
(13:21):
and you're ready to let this onego or modify it or something.
So don't forget that aspect ofit either.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Understood.
No, I am 100% on board with you, because there's many different
directions that this can go andhow many directions we have to
be open to.
Because when you make thedecision to stand up for what
you believe in and what you knowis the right morally and
ethical thing to do you, for me,it runs through this gauntlet
(13:52):
of different scenarios and stuffin my mind and and I can't
allow that to overpower me andlet the monkey mind in I just
have to allow things to be whatthey're going to be and set the
intention that it works outperfectly.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I do somewhat.
Yeah, we create our own reality.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
You smacked me so.
So, I did what you went Ismacked you, you smacked me.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I just I want to make sure that we understand that we
create our own reality and thesituations and circumstances
that come up in our reality.
At the end of the day, they'restill mirroring back to us what
we can do to improve ourselvesthrough our beliefs, patterns
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and programs.
And so, you know, don't forgetto look at that part of it,
because that's in essence,that's basically what is being
shown to you is hey, you're good, you're done with this, yo dog,
you're good.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Let's do with this.
Yo dog, you're good.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Let's do something with it.
But hey, I have a question foryou.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
How do you call an amoeba?
I don't know.
Do you know what an amoeba is?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
What gal.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
You call them on a cellular phone phone.
Ladies and gentlemen, this isthe dad joke portion of the
spiritual grind.
Me and Alexa had a moment thismorning and I found it quite
(15:38):
comical.
It tickled my funny bone.
I get it.
I do, I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's a play on words.
That was dad joke central.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I was like wow, alexa , that's pretty clever girl.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's a dad joke.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It is, it's like those three aliens oh oh my gosh
, those, those guys are sofreaking hilarious.
I laugh all day long at thosesilly things and them being in
the shape of the alien andthey're laughing and doing that.
It just cracks me up, man.
It is a tool I use often whenI'm in a in a fussy spot in a
(16:25):
grumpy spot and I can't seem tofind a feel better place until I
can always get lexa to tell mea joke or go to those alien guys
and watch a little bit of them.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I have them on, I subscribe to them too, but
they haven't been postinganything new lately.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
No, I agree, but I can still go to the old stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I got a joke for you when are turkeys from?
I don't know, An egg Duh.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think that one was worse than mine.
That was more.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
The crowd loved it.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Oh my gosh, that one was dourish than mine was.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Now I've lost my train of thought.
Now I've lost my train ofthought.
So I'm in a place now to whereI feel better about it.
I'm kind of releasing theenergy about it, because, man,
that energy is heavy.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Energy is real heavy.
It is heavy, it can be heavy,heavy.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And I'm open and receptive to where spirit is
going to take us and what we'regoing to do in our next journeys
with writing the book and allthat stuff.
I'm very hopeful and veryintentionally enjoying writing
the book.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah.
So for the listeners, whenyou're going through a moment
like that where it is very, veryheavy energy, through a moment
like that where it is very, veryheavy energy, maybe a new way
to look at it would be, from aplace of curiosity, and maybe a
little bit of excitement couldbe sprinkled in there, because
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you say to yourself, yeah, thisis a heavy section and it feels
a little difficult, but what Iknow from past experience that
I'm really excited about is whenI come out of this on the other
side, it's going to feel somuch better and I'm going to
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have grown and evolved, and so Ilook forward to what's going to
happen after this.
Yeah, and then playing this issomething I do.
I play a kind of a what-if game,and so I take different
scenarios of the possibleoutcomes and I play with them
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and I say, okay, well, what ifthis happens?
Or what if this happens, orwhat if this happens?
And I try to, with each what if, put a more desirable storyline
to it and I just kind of keepbuilding on that.
Ooh, yeah, and then what ifthis happens?
(19:14):
And this happens?
It's kind of like did you everplay house, for example, with a
friend or play some sort ofrobotic game.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Did I play house?
Oh my God, I opened the door.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I apologize.
So for me, as a human beingbrought up as a female, we're
taught to play house, so when toplay house, so when we play
house with like our best friend,for example.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
In your little kitchen.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, in our little kitchen the scene would go
something like this and we'llcall her Beth Beth, best friend
Beth, okay, okay.
So I'm going to be the mom andyou're going to be the kid and
I'm gonna say this come on, beth, let's get ready to go to the
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store.
And you're gonna say okay, mom,I'll be ready in just a minute
and you like plan out verballythe whole scene or the script of
that section of you playinghouse, and so the what if?
Game that I play is kind oflike that.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I take the uncomfortable situation, I
acknowledge that you know what,if it's coming up and if it's
showing in my reality, it meansI'm ready and strong enough and
willing to either let it go orreformat it.
And then what I do, while I'mkind of waiting for that to
(20:45):
happen, is I play the what ifgame and I kind of try to get
myself more and more to a higherfrequency place by adding, I
guess as since we're in the bookmode, I'm adding more scenes to
it and each scene is a littlebit higher vibration on the
emotional guidance system.
(21:06):
So I'm in that kind of junkyplace of dealing with I don't
know an employee and I've had tomaybe dismiss them at their job
.
I'm just using an example.
Okay, and I don't really likedoing that and it's a pretty
heavy energy.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It is a real heavy energy, because it's a good
example of how you quandary with.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
You know I'm changing this person's journey, but then
I have to remember that if itwasn't in their journey to be
done with this job, thiswouldn't have presented done
with this job, this wouldn'thave presented and if I hadn't
agreed to be the person thatrelieves them of this job so
they can go on and find theirperfect job or their next place
they're supposed to be, myhigher self would not have put
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me in this situation, because Itrust my higher self always puts
me in the right place at theright time.
Me in the right place at theright time.
So, to make myself feel better,or to help myself feel better
in that situation, I will playthe put if game and I'll say
okay, so what if, by mereleasing this individual from
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this job, they then aremotivated to go out and find
that job?
That really, really accentuatestheir joy and their desire, and
they find that job because Ihave been able to implant in
them a educational platform thatgives them the confidence to go
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and seek that job they weren'table to seek before.
Okay, or what if they go andthey apply for that job with
their newfound empowerment thatI helped form and they find the
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perfect job and they become thepresident of the company and
they are loving it and whatever,whatever.
In that scenario, if it's meand I am the receiver of such a
scenario, then I say the samekind of simple thing Okay, what
if, by me being relieved at thisjob, it gives me the
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opportunity to open new doors towhere I can go on my next
journey and find that perfectjob that I absolutely can't wait
to get up to go to and do andhave a deep-seated love for and
passion?
And so I just kind of play thatwhat if?
Game, and then I'll sit for afew minutes and visualize in my
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mind's eye what that version ofme would actually look like and
what they would do along thatjourney.
And so sometimes it would bethat I would take a moment to
visualize myself going on theinterview, the interview going
amazingly well, me getting thejob, shaking hands with the
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interviewer and accepting thejob for exactly the right amount
of money that I wanted doing,whatever the job is, and that
further adds to the energetictrajectory of creating that
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better feeling place, but alsothe scenario that you're wanting
to happen.
So those are some techniques Iuse along my journey and when I
find myself in those situationsare you ever going to answer the
stones question?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I'm sorry you're ever going to answer the stone's
question.
I'm sorry.
Are you ever going to answerthe stone's question?
They've been raising their handforever and you never called on
.
That poor stone, that poorhand's been sitting up there in
the air forever.
Nobody knows what you'retalking about it's raising his
hand and you haven't called onit.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Listen, guys, we need to get video up and going.
Let me set the scene for you.
I sit at my microphone and herein my space I have a palm
reader hand that's made out ofwood and it's got a picture of,
like the sun, the moon,different hieroglyphs that
(25:14):
represent different things forme, and it's a hand that's kind
of in the high five stance andit stands up kind of like
somebody raising their hand, andthen gathered around are all
these different stones ofdifferent shapes and sizes,
points, colors, spheres, all ofthat.
That's what my space looks like.
(25:35):
His obviously looks muchdifferent.
So he's commenting on the factthat I have this hand and I'm
not calling on it to answer thequestion.
I don't know what the questionis.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You're totally right.
That's a great way to changeperspective and make it a feel
better place is to create those.
What if positive moments, notnegative.
Don't create those what if?
What if positive moments, notnegative.
Don't let the what if benegative make the weight.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Make the what if positive yeah, if you can get
there.
Sometimes that's a little tough, sometimes it is, sometimes
it's a struggle it is for meanyway, it may not be for
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Sometimes, when the what ifs come in like the first
three or four, is kind of alwaysthe worst case scenario.
What if?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
yeah, and those can be beneficial because, you know,
if you set yourself up with theworst case scenario and then
you come up with solutions tothose worst case scenarios that
there's nothing really to beconcerned about or afraid of and
that kind of dissolves anddissipates into nothingness
(26:38):
because there's no validation toit, yeah, I agree, interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So now, as the day goes on for me, I'm feeling a
little better about life and I'mtrying to explain to the
audience because we're going tohave people that listen to this.
I'm trying to explain to theaudience because we're going to
have people that listen to thisand I want everybody to
understand that we put outscenarios that people go through
and we try to talk through thatfor them.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Right, using them as examples.
We try to use real lifeexamples that we've experienced
with clients or even withourselves.
Yeah, with ourselves, yeah,with ourselves, and it's as best
as we can, and divulging asmuch of the facts that we are at
liberty to divulge.
Yeah, but where are you goingwith that?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
oh, I just wanted people to understand that these
are scenarios that that we wantto bring out there to talk
through, because people gothrough these.
There are challenges that popup where people have
self-sacrifice for years andwhen it does pop up into the
reality that the self-sacrificeis not beneficial anymore as
generally a spiritual journeythat you have set forth the time
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and this is when it's going toend and it's okay to be um on
top of it, but don't alwaysdon't.
This is not a cookie cutteranswer for anybody.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
No, I guess that's what I'm trying to get at.
None of the information that weput out there is cookie cutter.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Right.
So you have to find ways tobalance your own emotional
ladder and your own beliefs andyour own intentions and figure
out.
What is it that I'm learning inthis?
What's the solution?
Let the what if stories comeand go, you know, and just allow
yourself to be in the momentwith it and figure out, or not
really figure out.
(28:25):
Allow the journey to open doorsfor you and change the way you
want to feel, because youobviously are no longer
resonating with that feeling.
And when you no longer resonate, then you have to.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's okay to do something different yep, it's
okay to plug in and update yourprocessing system and it doesn't
have to be at midnight no, Idon't but you do want to listen
to the notifications of whenit's time yeah, you do, and see
the signs and watch for thoseroadmap of your journey.
(29:02):
Yeah, because you know, onething to remember is is that if
you're not listening to whenit's time, it'll keep presenting
itself because you'll keephaving that same frequency which
gives you that same perspectiveand the same belief template
that you're seeing your realitythrough.
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And so because of that,inadvertently, you'll keep
recreating similar situationsuntil you finally are fed up
enough to where you stop andlook at it and listen and hear
and do something about it.
Universal.
Keep matching that frequencyand bringing it to you.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And just realize that things change and that's okay.
Change is part of us as humans.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Change is the only constant.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, because we're here for the human experience.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Right.
Change is good, change is fun.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, Change is good.
Change is fun, I agree.
I mean there are parts of me asa human that I struggle with it
as well, but I know spirituallyit's good.
Humanly I still battle withthat sometimes and I know
there's a lot of people that dotoo.
A lot of people don't likechange.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, there's a lot of people I mean, but that's a
programmed thing programmedthing.
It is Back in the day way, waybefore us, change was viewed as
not good Agreed.
The society.
They programmed everybody to goto college, get your education,
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find your job and stay thereforever.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Even that's changed.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Even buy a house and put it on a 30-year note and pay
it off and live in it forever.
Even that's changed.
Even buy a house and put it ona 30-year note and pay it off
and live in it forever.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yes, ew, how boring is that.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Ew.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And I lost my train of thought.
That thought raged rightthrough and took off.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You're done with it.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm done with it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You're a whole new you now.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I am, I agree, I kind of feel blank a little bit
actually Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Blank canvas.
Yeah, to bring forth thehistory or to leave it where
it's at.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't even know what to say now.
I'm lost.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You're not lost, but I was found.
You're not lost, I know.
Just in a spot of neutrality, Ithink, which is a beautiful
place to be, sometimes, wheneveryou have an opportunity to have
things brought to yourawareness and poop them out.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You said poop.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I did because sometimes it's fun to poop.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Sometimes it's fun to say that's what I meant.
It's kind of like moist.
That's a fun word to say too.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know what that's crazy?
Because there's a lot of peoplethat hate that word.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
My armpits are so moist.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
today Is there a phobia, an actual diagnosed
phobia, of saying or hearing theword moist?
I'd be curious to know, becausethere's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Moist.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
There's an individual that works for us that does not
like that word.
I am like it's just a word.
What does it mean?
Like?
What does it mean Like?
What does it?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
mean in your reality.
It's so crazy and funny to me.
You know, I used to have anemployee years ago and she hated
the word thrust, because weused to say we would thrust a
payment through.
And that's how the?
Because back in the day, whenyou would do electronic payment
from bank to bank yeah you.
You literally had like on ourbank.
(32:42):
It actually said thrust on thewhen you were on the computer
right or when you called, theywould say do you want me to
thrust that through?
I don't know what it stands forin the banking world.
I'm sure it stood for somethingback then, but this employee of
mine hated that word.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
How funny she's like would you quit?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
saying that.
That sounds so disgusting.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Wow, that's crazy, it is.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
How do you have a phobia of a word?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I've never had one.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I mean, the only thing I could think of is if she
had some sort of traumaticevent around sex.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Maybe, maybe.
Are you Chris Hayden?
I'm not saying anything.
No-transcript.
(33:42):
Everybody tried to use thrustin the sentence the whole time.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I could see that totally.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Hey, would you thrust me that pencil?
Especially if it annoyssomebody.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
It's fun to make them the butt of the thrusting joke,
yep.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
What?
You turned that into a weirdphrase.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I did nothing of the sort, I just chose to put it in
a sentence.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
That is such a moist topic you made my armpits moist,
so to kind of turn it all backaround.
When you go through thesethings, and I think one of the
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biggest parts of the spiritualgrind that everybody should
understand is it's okay to talkthrough it, it's okay to be in
it, it's okay to live in themoment and it is completely okay
for you to allow yourself to bein the moment as well.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It is, but in addition to that, it's okay to
just be the observer and not getdirectly involved in it, agreed
, or even if you are pulled intoit, it's okay to take yourself
out of it and say no newboundaries, I'm setting them.
I am not going to be a part ofthis.
(35:08):
It's okay to not jump around.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I shall not play anymore in that pool.
I have spoken, I have spoken.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's okay to take yourself out of it, especially
if it's a place that isuncomfortable and it's causing a
yucky feeling on your guidance,emotional guidance system and
you're not quite at the placewhere you can find the belief or
(35:37):
pattern.
Sometimes you got to take abreak from being in the mucky
water and come out of it so theycan have a different
perspective, and that's becausethe problem and the solution
don't occupy the same frequency.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And so if you're too deep in the problem or the
contrast, you may need to putthat on hold and stop
participating in it, so that youcan get to a different
frequency or closer to thefrequency of the solution, which
may be okay.
It's time to get rid of thisbelief so that you can actually
(36:18):
hear it or see it or get themessage or read the sign.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I agree.
You know the vibrational levelof all of that.
It changes pretty dramaticallywhen you free it up.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Oh yeah, 100%, Even to the point where I've had
clients say you know, the minutethat it releases, they get.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Okay, I'm done with my sessions.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
No, I'm saying, they get physical symptoms.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I feel dizzy, I feel lightheaded, I feel light.
I'm crying, I feel, you know,moist in the armpits Because you
thrust in that freedom.
They are overtaken with tears.
Yeah, that happens on achemistry level and on an
(37:03):
energetic level, becausewhenever you release something,
tears represent letting go, butthey also are washing away the
chemicals that were tied to that, giving the body on a cellular
level, permission to wash awaythat chemical that's no longer
(37:24):
necessary and creating newchemicals and redoing the neural
pathway around that topic.
Yeah, so, and that's a studyscientifically that you could
look up.
If you're having troubleputting the pieces together, you
can go do research on thosethings.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
There's studies.
You can read about it.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well, you know, I think the takeaway for me today,
after working not only throughour talk time but through this
podcast, is a takeaway for me isconfidence within yourself that
the contractual obligationyou're completing is a better
place and you, it's okay to giveyourself the permission slip to
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be whoever you are within it.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, and not only that, but sometimes, like you
started out saying, you have ahard time whenever you think
that you're going to affectsomebody's journey, remembering
that it may be the actualmission to affect that person's
journey in that way.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Consume this message after reading.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And you're aiming like eat it.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, that used to be the top secret paper.
It said at the bottom of itconsume paper after reading
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And so on.
Pink Panther, he eats the paper.
Or this message willself-destruct, and then and so,
just remembering that, you canrelease that once you've been
the character in their play forthem.
But you got to check in with itand just see what's the purpose
(39:09):
.
Ask the question, yeah, andthen listen for the answer.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
And if you're still kind of feeling yucky, take some
of your tools out of yourtoolkit.
Get yourself to feeling better,which will raise your frequency
, which will then put you inmore of an alignment with being
able to hear the informationthat's coming to you from your
higher self, which lives all thetime at the higher frequency.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Love it.
You're awesome.
No, you're awesome.
No, you're awesome.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
You're awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Well, I think I feel pretty complete with this topic.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, don't forget, I wrote a book man, I know right,
we wrote books.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Y'all pay attention and wait for the release.
We'll let y'all know.
Book launch coming your wayDouble book launch coming your
way, ooh double Ooh ha, ha, haha.
Double book launch.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Double book launch.
I feel like that was a littlebit weird, that was a Halloween
laugh.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Editor cut that out, Cut that out.
That reminded me of that Brad.
What is his name?
The little guy that does thecomedic?
And he told that story theother day when he met John
Stamos and Bob Saget, but it waspretty funny.
(40:33):
If y'all haven't heard thatstand-up comedian, he's a little
person.
His name's Brad, I think BradMcDonald or something like that,
but look up that skit.
It was pretty funny.
Anyway, I feel pretty complete.
Guys, if you have any spiritualgrinds that you want to talk
about, you know it's okay tocomment, send us a message.
(40:54):
Whatever you want to do, go tothe website.
You can email through thewebsite, you can message on the
website, on the message board,and uh we'll grind them out.
We'll grind them out we're righthere for you because you know
we grind too every day.
We run through the spiritualgrind every single day and we're
here with you.
We're here for you and with you.
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Editor, it's okay, that's DrJenny making that noise.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Sorry, I was playing with my blue ball.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Did you ever answer the question?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I always answer all the questions.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You guys don't forget to like, follow and share and
uh, uh, let your tell yourfriends about it.
Man, put it on Facebook anddon't forget to ring that.
Hey guys, you everybody have anawesome day.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Ring the bell.
You forgot to love you.
Love you, we'll see you nexttime.
Good morning, dr James.
Good morning, we're back on thepodcast.
We are in studio today doinganother awesome podcast for the
Spiritual Grind.
Yay, some podcasts for thespiritual grind.
Yay, the spiritual grind is thedaily test that we, as
spiritual beings, like to embarkupon and have better
explanations for.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
One of my favorite things to do.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Listen, I have a new favorite thing that I'm working
on.
What's that I wrote a book.
So did I.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, I know we're that I wrote a book.
So did I.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, I know we're on a new journey.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yep, we're about to, we're almost to the publishing
level.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, we're about to go into the publishing part of
it.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm excited to see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, I'm super excited.
It's been so, so much fun.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's going to be a lot of fun.
Yeah it, it's been so so muchfun.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's going to be a lot of fun.
Yeah, it already is a lot offun to me.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
We will let you guys know about it as soon as we get
them ready.
Yeah, and they're out there andwhere they're available at, and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Book launch coming up , Whoop whoop.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Coming to a town near you.
That's right.
Book launch baby, that's rightDouble book launch.
Double book launch.
Say that three times fast.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
You get double the enjoyment.
Wasn't there a gum?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
commercial.
Oh yeah, double your pleasure,double your fun.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember what was itDouble mint gum.
That was double mint Back inthe day, wrigley's.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Wrigley the double mint gum.
That was double mint daywrigley's, wrigley's double mint
gum double your pleasure,double your fun with wrigley's
spirit of mint gum wow, weshould go on radio and do
jingles I guess we should jingle, jingle, jingle.
Oh, jingle, my, jingle, jingle,my jangle, jingle, jingle.
You want to know what today'stopic is?
Yes, do tell.
(02:27):
So I'm going to kind of give ita little bit of a prelude here.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Prelude and cream.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It is a A Wait a minute, hang on.
Prelude coming.
Prelude coming.
Sorry, I had to play with that.
Prelude coming Sorry, I had toplay with that.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So we as spiritual beings, we needed a little magic
sprinkled in.
We love magic.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So we, as spiritual beings, have a tendency I say,
oh, I can't clump everybody in I, as a spiritual being, have a
tendency to try to navigate lifewithout hurting or bothering
others.
I try to accomplish my lifewith morals and ethics and try
to my best to really notnegatively affect anything and
(03:19):
leave everything better than Ifound it.
And we do that a lot of times,self-sacrifice things and we,
but we don't really realize thatwe're doing it.
And when we do that and whenyou figure out that you are
doing it, the way it feels togive yourself the permission to
(03:44):
stand up and fight when you needto fight for something almost
feels like you're humanlyinterjecting into something.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Say more.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So like, for example, when you're going through a
spiritual life and you reallytry not to affect anybody else's
bubble in a negative manner,you will self-sacrifice or allow
things to happen until you yourcup runneth over okay and
giving yourself the permissionto stand up and fight for what,
(04:14):
to write and fix those thingsthat we have self-sacrificed
when we've been wronged kind ofcan feel like we're humanly
interjecting and so that feelslike what?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Use your emotional guidance system and say what
that feels like.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, it starts with anger, you get mad about it and
then you work through youremotions to where you get
neutral in it and you're likeyou know what.
I'm tired of playing it.
I'm tired of doing this.
I'm going to stand up for what'sright okay, what's okay, and
then that feels better yes, whenyou get to that neutrality spot
(04:53):
yucky too well, it it bouncesit yo-yos for me and that's
where I'm at in the in myconversation is yeah, I bounce
back and forth from excited andproud I'm going to stand up for
myself, or whatever that is, orthen it goes over to golly man.
Why do I have to do this?
(05:14):
Why am I in this situationwhere I have to do it?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And so you yo-yo a little bit, and it makes you
feel very uncomfortable aboutyour world.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And so that's where my topic is today is giving
yourself the permission to.
You know, there's an old phraseIf you can't stand up for one
thing, you have to findsomething to stand up for, and
standing up for yourself.
That's it Now.
That was an old phrase.
It was back years ago.
I got her into the personaldevelopment class.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Um, but everybody should stand up for something,
because nobody's ever going tostand up for you until you stand
up for yourself.
And that's kind of where thatwas, and where this topic goes
for me is when is it okay togive yourself permission to quit
self-sacrificing, to stop it,you know?
Just stand up for you becausenobody's gonna.
Nobody's gonna stand up for youbecause nobody's going to.
(06:04):
Nobody's going to stand up foryou unless you do it yourself.
Okay, in today's world it usedto be, you know, people would
stand up for each other, andnowadays, man, it's like every
man for themselves.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It can certainly feel that way for sure.
Was that a rhetorical question,or did you want me to answer it
?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, it's rhetorically answered.
I guess I don't know where thispodcast is going, but it's just
my topic, because it's time forpeople to realize that being on
a spiritual journey does notmean you have to be submissive.
You don't have to bow down toeverybody or everything.
It's okay to stand up for whatyou believe in.
(06:44):
It's okay to stand up for whatyou know is right.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right.
I think the reminder I want togive, though, is standing up for
what you believe in, foryourself, or standing up for
yourself, and coming out of thisself-sacrifice template doesn't
have to necessarily be a fight,and it doesn't necessarily have
(07:09):
to be an ugly journey.
That's the first thing I wouldbring to light, and the other
part of it is I want to remindyou and others that sometimes,
changing people's lives by wayof your actions is what was a
(07:33):
negotiation between the two ofyou and it's supposed to happen,
and so don't get tangled uphumanly in the.
I don't want to change people'slives, because that could very
well be the mission itself inthat particular event, scenario,
(07:55):
whatever situation, life.
Because you view what willhappen as a possible
uncomfortable situation for them, and you don't want to be the
root cause of that, you may benot honoring the underlying
mission that you and that otherhuman on a soul and on a soul
(08:19):
level, agreed that you would bethat person for that other
individual so that they couldexperience the contrast in a
negative way for their healing,their growth, their evolution.
so you got to remember that partof, and that goes kind of deep.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I get it, it's, it's kind of a rabbit hole yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
But you just want to make sure that you don't your
human opinion of okay, if I dothis thing, I have created an
opinion that if I do this, thesethings are going to happen and
they may or may not happen.
First of all, and when they dohappen, it's going to cause this
(09:06):
, this and this for that person.
And you have to remember, itmay not cause this, this and
this for that person unless thatperson, on a spiritual level,
with their own higher self, ismeant to experience it that way.
So you're kind of, in essence,allowing the monkey mind to
create your version of what youthink the story is going to do
(09:30):
and how the action taking thatyou're doing is going to play
out, and it may not becompletely truthful story.
So, then, you're acting on astory that you created, based on
your perspective and youropinions, and it will prevent
you from doing what you'resupposed to do within it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I totally agree with you.
I think where I'm coming fromfrom a little different
perspective, is, throughout theprocess of self-sacrificing and
all those things I basicallyallowed myself to be, things
happen and things to be done tome and whatever and now that
(10:16):
I've got to that point, to wherethat switch is flipped, it's
not about worrying about what'sgoing to happen to the other
person, it's about the.
It's like that.
God, now I got to do this.
You know the.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
But what I'm trying to get you to point out is is,
if it doesn't feel good, there'ssomething more to look at.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh no, I agree with that it should feel better.
Agreed and it does for me.
It is in a better, it's in afeel better place than I was in,
Okay, and so it is up theemotional ladder for me, for me
to stand up and fight for what'sright and for myself and quit
self, self-sacrificing andwhatever.
(10:58):
Whatever that journey brings, Ihave to be open to you know,
but it's still.
You get that human response ofdang I gotta, I gotta do this.
You know what I mean.
Like, like it's regret, but,and so I guess where I want the
podcast to go is making surethat we understand what you just
said is this stuff is journey.
(11:20):
A lot of it's contracted.
We create it with ourintentions and our beliefs, and
the world that we're in isdefinitely our own individual
world that we have created, andso what I'm viewing as
self-sacrifice was just steps inor parts of a play that is
playing out and that I havesigned up for.
(11:43):
I have a script and I'm goingthrough the processes of it,
through my intentions andbeliefs, but my human has that
tendency to be like holy cowagain, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And that's kind of where I were.
I want people to understandthat when you get to that point
and for me cause I'm kind ofworking through this right now
on air with you guys when we getto that point, to where you're
fed up enough of something, itis okay to not look at it as if
you self-sacrifice, but look atit in a way that you are just
(12:15):
playing a part in a, in a, in ascript, on a script, and could
be a contractual obligation.
It's okay to not allow yourselfto go into a negative thought
process.
Clear the beliefs and set theintentions appropriately that
everything works out the way asit should.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, I mean yes, but it's also an opportunity for
you to get a little more clearon taking your own
accountability of what yourreality is showing you within it
too, and that, if it'sbothering you and it's creating
some sort of emotion on theemotional guidance system that
(12:58):
it's, it's divulging to you thatyou're ready for an internal
change, an internal upgrade,whether it be letting go of a
belief or pattern or program orhabit, or updating it or
whatever.
It's telling you that it's timeand that you're strong enough
(13:21):
and you're ready to let this onego or modify it or something.
So don't forget that aspect ofit either.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Understood.
No, I am 100% on board with you, because there's many different
directions that this can go andhow many directions we have to
be open to.
Because when you make thedecision to stand up for what
you believe in and what you knowis the right morally and
ethical thing to do you, for me,it runs through this gauntlet
(13:52):
of different scenarios and stuffin my mind and and I can't
allow that to overpower me andlet the monkey mind in I just
have to allow things to be whatthey're going to be and set the
intention that it works outperfectly.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I do somewhat.
Yeah, we create our own reality.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
You smacked me so.
So, I did what you went Ismacked you, you smacked me.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I just I want to make sure that we understand that we
create our own reality and thesituations and circumstances
that come up in our reality.
At the end of the day, they'restill mirroring back to us what
we can do to improve ourselvesthrough our beliefs, patterns
(14:49):
and programs.
And so, you know, don't forgetto look at that part of it,
because that's in essence,that's basically what is being
shown to you is hey, you're good, you're done with this, yo dog,
you're good.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Let's do with this.
Yo dog, you're good.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Let's do something with it.
But hey, I have a question foryou.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
How do you call an amoeba?
I don't know.
Do you know what an amoeba is?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
What gal.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
You call them on a cellular phone phone.
Ladies and gentlemen, this isthe dad joke portion of the
spiritual grind.
Me and Alexa had a moment thismorning and I found it quite
(15:38):
comical.
It tickled my funny bone.
I get it.
I do, I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's a play on words.
That was dad joke central.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I was like wow, alexa , that's pretty clever girl.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's a dad joke.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It is, it's like those three aliens oh oh my gosh
, those, those guys are sofreaking hilarious.
I laugh all day long at thosesilly things and them being in
the shape of the alien andthey're laughing and doing that.
It just cracks me up, man.
It is a tool I use often whenI'm in a in a fussy spot in a
(16:25):
grumpy spot and I can't seem tofind a feel better place until I
can always get lexa to tell mea joke or go to those alien guys
and watch a little bit of them.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I have them on, I subscribe to them too, but
they haven't been postinganything new lately.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
No, I agree, but I can still go to the old stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I got a joke for you when are turkeys from?
I don't know, An egg Duh.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think that one was worse than mine.
That was more.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
The crowd loved it.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Oh my gosh, that one was dourish than mine was.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Now I've lost my train of thought.
Now I've lost my train ofthought.
So I'm in a place now to whereI feel better about it.
I'm kind of releasing theenergy about it, because, man,
that energy is heavy.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Energy is real heavy.
It is heavy, it can be heavy,heavy.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And I'm open and receptive to where spirit is
going to take us and what we'regoing to do in our next journeys
with writing the book and allthat stuff.
I'm very hopeful and veryintentionally enjoying writing
the book.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah.
So for the listeners, whenyou're going through a moment
like that where it is very, veryheavy energy, through a moment
like that where it is very, veryheavy energy, maybe a new way
to look at it would be, from aplace of curiosity, and maybe a
little bit of excitement couldbe sprinkled in there, because
(18:11):
you say to yourself, yeah, thisis a heavy section and it feels
a little difficult, but what Iknow from past experience that
I'm really excited about is whenI come out of this on the other
side, it's going to feel somuch better and I'm going to
(18:31):
have grown and evolved, and so Ilook forward to what's going to
happen after this.
Yeah, and then playing this issomething I do.
I play a kind of a what-if game,and so I take different
scenarios of the possibleoutcomes and I play with them
(18:53):
and I say, okay, well, what ifthis happens?
Or what if this happens, orwhat if this happens?
And I try to, with each what if, put a more desirable storyline
to it and I just kind of keepbuilding on that.
Ooh, yeah, and then what ifthis happens?
(19:14):
And this happens?
It's kind of like did you everplay house, for example, with a
friend or play some sort ofrobotic game.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Did I play house?
Oh my God, I opened the door.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I apologize.
So for me, as a human beingbrought up as a female, we're
taught to play house, so when toplay house, so when we play
house with like our best friend,for example.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
In your little kitchen.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, in our little kitchen the scene would go
something like this and we'llcall her Beth Beth, best friend
Beth, okay, okay.
So I'm going to be the mom andyou're going to be the kid and
I'm gonna say this come on, beth, let's get ready to go to the
(20:05):
store.
And you're gonna say okay, mom,I'll be ready in just a minute
and you like plan out verballythe whole scene or the script of
that section of you playinghouse, and so the what if?
Game that I play is kind oflike that.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I take the uncomfortable situation, I
acknowledge that you know what,if it's coming up and if it's
showing in my reality, it meansI'm ready and strong enough and
willing to either let it go orreformat it.
And then what I do, while I'mkind of waiting for that to
(20:45):
happen, is I play the what ifgame and I kind of try to get
myself more and more to a higherfrequency place by adding, I
guess as since we're in the bookmode, I'm adding more scenes to
it and each scene is a littlebit higher vibration on the
emotional guidance system.
(21:06):
So I'm in that kind of junkyplace of dealing with I don't
know an employee and I've had tomaybe dismiss them at their job
.
I'm just using an example.
Okay, and I don't really likedoing that and it's a pretty
heavy energy.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It is a real heavy energy, because it's a good
example of how you quandary with.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
You know I'm changing this person's journey, but then
I have to remember that if itwasn't in their journey to be
done with this job, thiswouldn't have presented done
with this job, this wouldn'thave presented and if I hadn't
agreed to be the person thatrelieves them of this job so
they can go on and find theirperfect job or their next place
they're supposed to be, myhigher self would not have put
(21:49):
me in this situation, because Itrust my higher self always puts
me in the right place at theright time.
Me in the right place at theright time.
So, to make myself feel better,or to help myself feel better
in that situation, I will playthe put if game and I'll say
okay, so what if, by mereleasing this individual from
(22:14):
this job, they then aremotivated to go out and find
that job?
That really, really accentuatestheir joy and their desire, and
they find that job because Ihave been able to implant in
them a educational platform thatgives them the confidence to go
(22:36):
and seek that job they weren'table to seek before.
Okay, or what if they go andthey apply for that job with
their newfound empowerment thatI helped form and they find the
(22:57):
perfect job and they become thepresident of the company and
they are loving it and whatever,whatever.
In that scenario, if it's meand I am the receiver of such a
scenario, then I say the samekind of simple thing Okay, what
if, by me being relieved at thisjob, it gives me the
(23:20):
opportunity to open new doors towhere I can go on my next
journey and find that perfectjob that I absolutely can't wait
to get up to go to and do andhave a deep-seated love for and
passion?
And so I just kind of play thatwhat if?
Game, and then I'll sit for afew minutes and visualize in my
(23:42):
mind's eye what that version ofme would actually look like and
what they would do along thatjourney.
And so sometimes it would bethat I would take a moment to
visualize myself going on theinterview, the interview going
amazingly well, me getting thejob, shaking hands with the
(24:04):
interviewer and accepting thejob for exactly the right amount
of money that I wanted doing,whatever the job is, and that
further adds to the energetictrajectory of creating that
(24:24):
better feeling place, but alsothe scenario that you're wanting
to happen.
So those are some techniques Iuse along my journey and when I
find myself in those situationsare you ever going to answer the
stones question?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I'm sorry you're ever going to answer the stone's
question.
I'm sorry.
Are you ever going to answerthe stone's question?
They've been raising their handforever and you never called on
.
That poor stone, that poorhand's been sitting up there in
the air forever.
Nobody knows what you'retalking about it's raising his
hand and you haven't called onit.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Listen, guys, we need to get video up and going.
Let me set the scene for you.
I sit at my microphone and herein my space I have a palm
reader hand that's made out ofwood and it's got a picture of,
like the sun, the moon,different hieroglyphs that
(25:14):
represent different things forme, and it's a hand that's kind
of in the high five stance andit stands up kind of like
somebody raising their hand, andthen gathered around are all
these different stones ofdifferent shapes and sizes,
points, colors, spheres, all ofthat.
That's what my space looks like.
(25:35):
His obviously looks muchdifferent.
So he's commenting on the factthat I have this hand and I'm
not calling on it to answer thequestion.
I don't know what the questionis.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You're totally right.
That's a great way to changeperspective and make it a feel
better place is to create those.
What if positive moments, notnegative.
Don't create those what if?
What if positive moments, notnegative.
Don't let the what if benegative make the weight.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Make the what if positive yeah, if you can get
there.
Sometimes that's a little tough, sometimes it is, sometimes
it's a struggle it is for meanyway, it may not be for
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Sometimes, when the what ifs come in like the first
three or four, is kind of alwaysthe worst case scenario.
What if?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
yeah, and those can be beneficial because, you know,
if you set yourself up with theworst case scenario and then
you come up with solutions tothose worst case scenarios that
there's nothing really to beconcerned about or afraid of and
that kind of dissolves anddissipates into nothingness
(26:38):
because there's no validation toit, yeah, I agree, interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So now, as the day goes on for me, I'm feeling a
little better about life and I'mtrying to explain to the
audience because we're going tohave people that listen to this.
I'm trying to explain to theaudience because we're going to
have people that listen to thisand I want everybody to
understand that we put outscenarios that people go through
and we try to talk through thatfor them.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Right, using them as examples.
We try to use real lifeexamples that we've experienced
with clients or even withourselves.
Yeah, with ourselves, yeah,with ourselves, and it's as best
as we can, and divulging asmuch of the facts that we are at
liberty to divulge.
Yeah, but where are you goingwith that?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
oh, I just wanted people to understand that these
are scenarios that that we wantto bring out there to talk
through, because people gothrough these.
There are challenges that popup where people have
self-sacrifice for years andwhen it does pop up into the
reality that the self-sacrificeis not beneficial anymore as
generally a spiritual journeythat you have set forth the time
(27:48):
and this is when it's going toend and it's okay to be um on
top of it, but don't alwaysdon't.
This is not a cookie cutteranswer for anybody.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
No, I guess that's what I'm trying to get at.
None of the information that weput out there is cookie cutter.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Right.
So you have to find ways tobalance your own emotional
ladder and your own beliefs andyour own intentions and figure
out.
What is it that I'm learning inthis?
What's the solution?
Let the what if stories comeand go, you know, and just allow
yourself to be in the momentwith it and figure out, or not
really figure out.
(28:25):
Allow the journey to open doorsfor you and change the way you
want to feel, because youobviously are no longer
resonating with that feeling.
And when you no longer resonate, then you have to.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's okay to do something different yep, it's
okay to plug in and update yourprocessing system and it doesn't
have to be at midnight no, Idon't but you do want to listen
to the notifications of whenit's time yeah, you do, and see
the signs and watch for thoseroadmap of your journey.
(29:02):
Yeah, because you know, onething to remember is is that if
you're not listening to whenit's time, it'll keep presenting
itself because you'll keephaving that same frequency which
gives you that same perspectiveand the same belief template
that you're seeing your realitythrough.
(29:23):
And so because of that,inadvertently, you'll keep
recreating similar situationsuntil you finally are fed up
enough to where you stop andlook at it and listen and hear
and do something about it.
Universal.
Keep matching that frequencyand bringing it to you.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And just realize that things change and that's okay.
Change is part of us as humans.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Change is the only constant.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, because we're here for the human experience.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Right.
Change is good, change is fun.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, Change is good.
Change is fun, I agree.
I mean there are parts of me asa human that I struggle with it
as well, but I know spirituallyit's good.
Humanly I still battle withthat sometimes and I know
there's a lot of people that dotoo.
A lot of people don't likechange.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, there's a lot of people I mean, but that's a
programmed thing programmedthing.
It is Back in the day way, waybefore us, change was viewed as
not good Agreed.
The society.
They programmed everybody to goto college, get your education,
(30:32):
find your job and stay thereforever.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Even that's changed.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Even buy a house and put it on a 30-year note and pay
it off and live in it forever.
Even that's changed.
Even buy a house and put it ona 30-year note and pay it off
and live in it forever.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yes, ew, how boring is that.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Ew.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And I lost my train of thought.
That thought raged rightthrough and took off.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You're done with it.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm done with it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You're a whole new you now.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I am, I agree, I kind of feel blank a little bit
actually Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Blank canvas.
Yeah, to bring forth thehistory or to leave it where
it's at.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't even know what to say now.
I'm lost.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You're not lost, but I was found.
You're not lost, I know.
Just in a spot of neutrality, Ithink, which is a beautiful
place to be, sometimes, wheneveryou have an opportunity to have
things brought to yourawareness and poop them out.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You said poop.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I did because sometimes it's fun to poop.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Sometimes it's fun to say that's what I meant.
It's kind of like moist.
That's a fun word to say too.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know what that's crazy?
Because there's a lot of peoplethat hate that word.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
My armpits are so moist.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
today Is there a phobia, an actual diagnosed
phobia, of saying or hearing theword moist?
I'd be curious to know, becausethere's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Moist.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
There's an individual that works for us that does not
like that word.
I am like it's just a word.
What does it mean?
Like?
What does it mean Like?
What does it?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
mean in your reality.
It's so crazy and funny to me.
You know, I used to have anemployee years ago and she hated
the word thrust, because weused to say we would thrust a
payment through.
And that's how the?
Because back in the day, whenyou would do electronic payment
from bank to bank yeah you.
You literally had like on ourbank.
(32:42):
It actually said thrust on thewhen you were on the computer
right or when you called, theywould say do you want me to
thrust that through?
I don't know what it stands forin the banking world.
I'm sure it stood for somethingback then, but this employee of
mine hated that word.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
How funny she's like would you quit?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
saying that.
That sounds so disgusting.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Wow, that's crazy, it is.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
How do you have a phobia of a word?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I've never had one.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I mean, the only thing I could think of is if she
had some sort of traumaticevent around sex.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Maybe, maybe.
Are you Chris Hayden?
I'm not saying anything.
No-transcript.
(33:42):
Everybody tried to use thrustin the sentence the whole time.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I could see that totally.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Hey, would you thrust me that pencil?
Especially if it annoyssomebody.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
It's fun to make them the butt of the thrusting joke,
yep.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
What?
You turned that into a weirdphrase.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I did nothing of the sort, I just chose to put it in
a sentence.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
That is such a moist topic you made my armpits moist,
so to kind of turn it all backaround.
When you go through thesethings, and I think one of the
(34:32):
biggest parts of the spiritualgrind that everybody should
understand is it's okay to talkthrough it, it's okay to be in
it, it's okay to live in themoment and it is completely okay
for you to allow yourself to bein the moment as well.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It is, but in addition to that, it's okay to
just be the observer and not getdirectly involved in it, agreed
, or even if you are pulled intoit, it's okay to take yourself
out of it and say no newboundaries, I'm setting them.
I am not going to be a part ofthis.
(35:08):
It's okay to not jump around.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I shall not play anymore in that pool.
I have spoken, I have spoken.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's okay to take yourself out of it, especially
if it's a place that isuncomfortable and it's causing a
yucky feeling on your guidance,emotional guidance system and
you're not quite at the placewhere you can find the belief or
(35:37):
pattern.
Sometimes you got to take abreak from being in the mucky
water and come out of it so theycan have a different
perspective, and that's becausethe problem and the solution
don't occupy the same frequency.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And so if you're too deep in the problem or the
contrast, you may need to putthat on hold and stop
participating in it, so that youcan get to a different
frequency or closer to thefrequency of the solution, which
may be okay.
It's time to get rid of thisbelief so that you can actually
(36:18):
hear it or see it or get themessage or read the sign.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I agree.
You know the vibrational levelof all of that.
It changes pretty dramaticallywhen you free it up.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Oh yeah, 100%, Even to the point where I've had
clients say you know, the minutethat it releases, they get.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Okay, I'm done with my sessions.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
No, I'm saying, they get physical symptoms.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I feel dizzy, I feel lightheaded, I feel light.
I'm crying, I feel, you know,moist in the armpits Because you
thrust in that freedom.
They are overtaken with tears.
Yeah, that happens on achemistry level and on an
(37:03):
energetic level, becausewhenever you release something,
tears represent letting go, butthey also are washing away the
chemicals that were tied to that, giving the body on a cellular
level, permission to wash awaythat chemical that's no longer
(37:24):
necessary and creating newchemicals and redoing the neural
pathway around that topic.
Yeah, so, and that's a studyscientifically that you could
look up.
If you're having troubleputting the pieces together, you
can go do research on thosethings.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
There's studies.
You can read about it.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well, you know, I think the takeaway for me today,
after working not only throughour talk time but through this
podcast, is a takeaway for me isconfidence within yourself that
the contractual obligationyou're completing is a better
place and you, it's okay to giveyourself the permission slip to
(38:11):
be whoever you are within it.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, and not only that, but sometimes, like you
started out saying, you have ahard time whenever you think
that you're going to affectsomebody's journey, remembering
that it may be the actualmission to affect that person's
journey in that way.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Consume this message after reading.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And you're aiming like eat it.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, that used to be the top secret paper.
It said at the bottom of itconsume paper after reading
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And so on.
Pink Panther, he eats the paper.
Or this message willself-destruct, and then and so,
just remembering that, you canrelease that once you've been
the character in their play forthem.
But you got to check in with itand just see what's the purpose
(39:09):
.
Ask the question, yeah, andthen listen for the answer.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
And if you're still kind of feeling yucky, take some
of your tools out of yourtoolkit.
Get yourself to feeling better,which will raise your frequency
, which will then put you inmore of an alignment with being
able to hear the informationthat's coming to you from your
higher self, which lives all thetime at the higher frequency.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Love it.
You're awesome.
No, you're awesome.
No, you're awesome.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
You're awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Well, I think I feel pretty complete with this topic.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, don't forget, I wrote a book man, I know right,
we wrote books.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Y'all pay attention and wait for the release.
We'll let y'all know.
Book launch coming your wayDouble book launch coming your
way, ooh double Ooh ha, ha, haha.
Double book launch.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Double book launch.
I feel like that was a littlebit weird, that was a Halloween
laugh.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Editor cut that out, Cut that out.
That reminded me of that Brad.
What is his name?
The little guy that does thecomedic?
And he told that story theother day when he met John
Stamos and Bob Saget, but it waspretty funny.
(40:33):
If y'all haven't heard thatstand-up comedian, he's a little
person.
His name's Brad, I think BradMcDonald or something like that,
but look up that skit.
It was pretty funny.
Anyway, I feel pretty complete.
Guys, if you have any spiritualgrinds that you want to talk
about, you know it's okay tocomment, send us a message.
(40:54):
Whatever you want to do, go tothe website.
You can email through thewebsite, you can message on the
website, on the message board,and uh we'll grind them out.
We'll grind them out we're righthere for you because you know
we grind too every day.
We run through the spiritualgrind every single day and we're
here with you.
We're here for you and with you.
(41:14):
Editor, it's okay, that's DrJenny making that noise.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Sorry, I was playing with my blue ball.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Did you ever answer the question?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I always answer all the questions.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
You guys don't forget to like, follow and share and
uh, uh, let your tell yourfriends about it.
Man, put it on Facebook anddon't forget to ring that.
Hey guys, you everybody have anawesome day.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Ring the bell.
You forgot to love you.
Love you, we'll see you nexttime.
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