July 31, 2025 • 53 mins
Have you ever struggled to distinguish between your human conditioning and your spiritual guidance? That delicate dance between following intuition versus falling into habitual patterns forms the heart of this thought-provoking conversation.
Dr. Jenny and the host dive deep into one of spirituality's most challenging questions: how do we know which voice to listen to when making decisions? Through practical examples and illuminating insights, they explore how our human tendencies can interfere with—or sometimes complement—our spiritual journey.
One particularly valuable tool shared is the "coin flip method" for decision-making. When faced with two seemingly equal choices, could you genuinely accept either outcome? Your honest reaction reveals whether you're truly following intuition or if subtle preferences are guiding you. This simple yet powerful technique helps uncover hidden attachments lurking beneath seemingly balanced options.
The conversation also examines how our personal threshold for discomfort impacts spiritual discernment. Many who've experienced extreme challenges may calibrate their "discomfort meter" to only register significant distress, potentially missing subtle guidance trying to redirect their path. Learning to recognize even mild resistance becomes crucial for spiritual navigation.
Perhaps most importantly, the episode emphasizes developing your unique personal definitions of human interference versus spiritual guidance. The key indicators include bodily sensations, whether you feel compelled to justify choices to others, and your ability to proceed with quiet confidence regardless of external opinions.
By practicing with small decisions and progressively building your intuitive muscles, you can develop greater clarity in discerning which voice to follow. Ready to strengthen your connection with your inner guidance system? Start by examining how you define human versus spiritual influence in your own life journey.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thank you.
Good morning everybody.
Welcome back to the Spears ofGrind.
We are in studio with Dr Jennyand myself.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Good morning Dr Jenny .
How are you today?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Hanging in there like a monkey.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
From his tail.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Sometimes it feels like that.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Life can be a little difficult sometimes.
Welcome back, guys.
Thank you for tuning in andlistening.
Today we are going to talkabout a couple of things.
I think One of those things issomething that I need to talk
about and that is humaninteraction and interjection
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into my journey.
I am pretty I would say it'shabitual for me a little bit.
I humanly interact with myspiritual journey and sometimes
it can cause a little bit ofproblems and sometimes it don't.
It just really all depends, butit kind of is where I guess my
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belief systems have taking me,taken me to in my life, and
sometimes it can be a littledifficult.
What do you think about that,dr Jane?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean for sure , Human interaction can muck up
the whole process.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It can and it does for me sometimes, and so I fall
back on.
You know, I guess we're herehumanly to have experiences and
to add to the great, you know,vast array of knowledge that
everybody can share, and theycall the Akashic Records.
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And we add to that knowledgeand we try to bring that to us.
Now, over the last few yearsI've had a journey of things to
where, humanly, I've interactedSometimes it's spiritual,
sometimes it's not and it's beena rocky road in trying to get
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back to the roots of spiritualawakeness and when you've been
living that off and on journeyof humanness can be difficult.
It can be a tough place to bein.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, it can.
Stopping the habits or thepatterns can be sometimes the
most challenging part of thejourney, but I guess, on the
positive side, recognizing thatthey're there is probably the
first step.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's kind of like being an alcoholic Recognizing.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I guess I've never been an alcoholic, so I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, I haven't either.
I've been to the meetings whenI used to do some things.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, I've not been to the meetings.
I used to do some things.
Yeah, I've not been to themeetings.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But back in the day.
But you know, I think you'reright is identifying the
humanness within it and makingsure that you at least try to
interact and change beliefsbehind it with every interaction
.
To me is the hardest part,because I am very much a
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creature of habit and when Iview things as a challenge, I
hit them.
I, you know, I hit it fullforce because you know the fight
or flight syndrome or thingthat people have is I am that
guy that fights.
I am not a fighter, not arunner.
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I'm going to hit you head on.
And understanding thecorrelation between the two of
those for me is where I go a lotin my thought processes and
clearings in the morning.
And clearings in the morningand you know, particularly today
is a day that I'm reallychecking in with it and trying
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to figure out what's the balancewithin it, because where do you
go with it?
And that's my challenge.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
What do you mean?
Where do you go with it?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
I don't know.
I mean, I understand that I doit, but I don't know where do I,
how do I change it and where doI get to a place of balance
within it?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
okay, I think identifying what it is first all
would be the first place ofclarity.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, I mean the human interaction, the human
interjection into the journeys.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
That's what I'm talking about, and so is there a
question in there.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I guess I don't know what you are wanting to
conversate about, I guess, iswhat I'm saying.
My conversation is more abouthow do we tell people out there
to identify their humaninterjections into their journey
, how do they identify them andhow do they make sure that that
is within balance, because weare here for human experience,
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we're living a spiritual journey, and so how do you keep balance
in that?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Well, there's not that Well.
I mean, it's not really aboutkeeping balance.
It's about discerning whichvoice you want to listen to and
which one takes you on thejourney that you want to go on.
You're going to experience itin two different ways.
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If you're always following thathuman voice that's trying to
guide you in a human direction,that experience is going to look
much different than if you'relistening to your spiritual
voice and going in thatdirection.
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There are two differentdirections and getting to a
point where you are going tomake a decision on which one
you're going to listen to andwhich one you're going to trust
will depend on how you want yourreality to look and the beliefs
that you carry around.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
That, basically, but do we ever really not humanly
interact into our spiritualjourney?
Is there anybody that can eversay that they fully lived a
spiritual journey?
And then, how do you get youexperience?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't think that the goal is to be able to say
that fully live a spiritualjourney.
I mean, you're not gandhi,you're not buddha, unless you
want to be, and then that's acompletely different path
altogether and even they hadtheir human counterparts within
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it that they had to identify andwork through.
It's the.
The key is to not ask forclarity clarity is and then do
something different, not to keeprepeating the same dumb shit
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that's the key and expecting adifferent result.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, that's what I was the clarity.
What I was talking about iscreating the balance within it,
because the reference that youjust gave even Gandhi had human
experiences, and do we reallyknow when you're supposed to
repeat the human interaction andwhen you're not, and how do we
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clarify that?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
it's all based on whatever belief and program
you're running it literally isbased on that.
If you believe program you'rerunning it literally is based on
that, if you believe thatyou're supposed to repeat it,
then you'll look for ways torepeat it, even on a
subconscious level.
If you decide that it's notnecessary for me to repeat this
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I don't want to experience itagain.
I've learned what I'm going tolearn, period, and I don't want
to experience it again.
I've learned what I'm going tolearn, period, and I don't want
to repeat it.
Then you'll begin to look forsomething different, and it's a
habit.
Then you practice.
You practice looking forsomething different, doing
things differently, and as soonas you catch yourself falling
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back into the habit of whatcreated the reality that you're
not necessarily liking, thatyou're calling a human
experience, then you immediatelystop that behavior and you
exchange it with the newbehavior to further sink in the
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new habit that you want.
Because the old habit isingrained into the mind and it's
kind of like driving around ina pasture.
You're naturally going to wantto go down that path that has
the tire marks ingrained in it,rather than creating a new trail
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.
Until you've created that newtrail in your brain to where
there's actually a road there inthat direction.
It'll feel weird and it'll feelawkward and you may find
yourself veering off into theold comfortable habit or pattern
or whatever until you'verecreated the new path okay and
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if you're not aware of it andcan't catch it, then it'll catch
you by surprise and you'll findyourself just doing those
habits mindlessly again.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay, so how do you discern between successful human
interaction and spiritualjourney?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
How does it feel?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, you know, like, for example, in my case,
there's been many times in myhuman journey that I've been
very successful in doing thethings that I do.
And how do I know that that wasa human journey or a spiritual
journey?
How do I know?
How do I discern between thetwo?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, you go based on how it feels.
It could be a spiritual journeyand along the way, there were
parts of it that you didn't carefor, which was your human
making choices along thatjourney that made it a little
more difficult or a little moreof a struggle or felt not all
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together joyful or happy.
That's the human perceiving itthrough the eyes of the belief
system that make it go in adirection that you didn't
necessarily care for.
I mean, if you talk about aspecific journey, I can maybe
help dial it in, but if we'regoing to stay general about it,
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you you can't clump the wholejourney together because the
whole journey wasn't garbagejourney together because the
whole journey wasn't garbage.
You've got to take your ownpersonal time to take the
journey, dig through it, findthe components of the journey
that you enjoyed, make that list, find the components within the
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journey that you didn't carefor and identify each one of
those individually and say, okay, why did that part of it happen
?
Do I want that to stay?
Do I want it to go?
Do I want to modify it?
And you just take each littlepiece, piece, piece, piece by
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piece, and you go through thejourney so that the next journey
that you go on, you're nottaking that baggage of
experience with you.
You're creating a true,authentic new journey, instead
of falling into some habitualpattern that feels more
comfortable than the new journeythat you're going on.
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We tend to seek Things thatfeel more comfortable, and the
unknown sometimes isuncomfortable Because we don't
necessarily Hear All of theParts and pieces of the journey
that are being shown to us.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Did you say pizza?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, I didn't say pizza.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh, I thought you said pizza, sorry.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Are you angry?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, it's just you said.
I thought you said parts of apizza.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I mean it can be identified as a pizza pie cut in
different sections, if you so.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
here that way here you're actually kind of leading
right into where I wanted totalk about here in this is what
if both of those journeys,neither one of them, are
uncomfortable?
What if that?
Like for me, you know, and tobe more specific, I have a
tendency to do certain habitswhen I'm trying to create
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financial abundance.
Okay, and none of the journeysare uncomfortable that I have
come across yet.
Okay, and so how do you discernbetween the two?
That's where I'm trying to getis, how do I know and I'm sure
that there are people out therethat listen to this that don't
understand either how do youdiscern between two journeys
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Neither one of them areuncomfortable which?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
one's right.
They're both equally right Ifthey bring joy or excitement or
pleasure into your life.
At that point then you flip acoin or you do them both
simultaneously.
If they truly hold the samefrequency and they truly hold
the same level of enjoyment,then you should be able to flip
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a coin and be okay with nomatter which way that coin lands
.
It's just you making a decisionbecause you have to pick one or
the other.
If you're not in a place whereyou can pick them both and do
both of them, then you should beable to take a coin and journey
one is heads, journey two istells and you flip a coin and
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literally whatever it lands on,you go and do that journey and
it's fine.
If you flip that coin andthere's any aspect of you that
says, and it lands on heads,we'll say, if there's anything
in you that that very momentthat pops in and says, oh dang,
I wish that was tells, thenthat's a dead ringer, that there
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is some difference between thetwo journeys and you need to go
in the direction of what and youneed to check in again.
Okay.
So maybe play that game If youtruly truly have looked at it
and are truly truly have, arenot tricking yourself into
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believing that they're bothequally fun and equally joyful,
and not disguised as anxiety,which can be very close, or
nervous or any any um kind of amild apprehension apprehension
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which can be.
They're very close in frequencyto joy and they can be confused
.
Then you should be able to flipa coin and it not matter how it
lands and you go with whicheverone the coin lands on, and so
the coin flip is actually apretty good tool when you're
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trying to pick between two.
That doesn't mean that it'snecessarily human interference.
It just means that you have twothings that are equally as
enjoyable and you can'tnecessarily do them at the same
time because there's only one ofyou.
Then you should be able to flipa coin and go with whatever it
lands on and go, try that oneout.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That's fair, that's a fair analogy, I would say.
Now the the other part of thatthat kind of gets me sometimes
is when I do either journey,whatever it is, either journey
and I don't do them completely.
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Okay.
Why does that happen?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, I mean, you tell me.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I don't know why is your expectation that you've got
to do it completely.
Perhaps only doing partiallywas the motivating factor that
your spirit gave you to get youoff your butt, to go and start
taking action, because maybe youwere in a stalemate situation
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and not knowing which directionto go, and so maybe it was just
simply to get you off the couch,going in some direction so that
you could get clarity anddiscernment, and it was never
meant to be followed through, itwas just to get you
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energetically, some momentumgoing in some direction, one way
or the other okay.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
So when, when like, for example, the financial
abundance journey that I'm onright now I get motivated to do
something, but I don't completeit, like this morning, because
suddenly the energy changedbehind it.
Okay.
I don't understand that.
Why would I create a spot whereI have a journey that I'm
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willing to go on and I commit togo doing that journey because I
feel like it's guided, but yetthe energy changes behind it?
Did I miss my opportunity?
Did I wait too long?
Did?
Did the human interjectionrelease from it?
Did it believe clear?
You know that's more part ofthe confusion I have today and
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that's why I'm bringing up thistopic.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean, you know, in a situation like what you're
speaking about, what I teach isI would like for the individual
to get to a place where theyhave a language with their
guides, with their inner self,and be able to answer that
question themselves.
I agree, you have to check inwith your own guides, your own
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guidance system, your ownintuitive elements and hear what
they are trying to say as towhat the answer on a frequency
level, so that you can hear theclarity of the answer to help
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navigate the confusion.
Okay.
And it's there.
They're giving it to you.
It's just that your frequencyis not lined up with it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Then how do you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Practice, you have to practice it.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But if you don't know how, to do it, do you?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
you can't ignore it and then expect it to be
something that you're good atdefine practice overnight define
practice for me like what doyou if you don't know how to do
in the first place, how do youpractice it?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
well, like I've said in previous podcasts, you take
small little things and youbegin to learn what the
frequencies feel like, what thefrequencies sound like, what
they look like.
You've got to learn what yourlanguage is with your spirit
guide, with your counsel, withyour intuition.
You've got to first learn whatthat language is.
Does it come through visions?
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Does it come through audiblewords in your head?
Does it come with a commercialon a TV?
A combination of any of those,and asking easy questions and
listening for and aligning withthe frequency of that to be able
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to fine tune the skill is whatI mean by practicing.
So you ask a question am Isupposed to have black coffee
today or am I supposed to putcreamer in it?
okay so when you ask thatquestion and you stop and you
feel and listen and look, ifyou're standing at the coffee
pot and you just ask that simplelittle question, an answer is
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going to pop in.
Okay.
Because it's an easy kind ofthing what does it feel like
your body wants?
And so if you stopped and askedyourself that question, I want
you to participate here.
It's a participatory kind ofpractical.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Oh, you want me here.
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So you're at the coffee pot and you ask yourself
okay, do I want black coffee ordo I want coffee with creamer?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Black coffee.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You automatically know what the answer is.
Why?
How do you automatically?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Here's the part that I fall into.
I've always drank black coffee.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So then, how do you know you don't like it with some
sort of cream in it.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, I have tasted it with cream in it before, but
never wholeheartedly given anattempt to drink coffee with
creamer.
And so there's that decisionbased off habit and belief and
pattern.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's where I'm at is that discern, discernment and
understanding what I'mfollowing you.
Okay so, okay, okay.
So, instead of so you'veanswered the question I want
black coffee.
So my next part of that andthis is for people that are
learning how to identify whatsome steps are in it Would be
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okay.
How do you know you like theblack coffee?
Have you tried the coffee withthe creamer?
Because you've collected yourown information and you know
that you don't like the creamerin your coffee.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I have in the past.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That would be the next question yeah, it was been
years ago okay, and have youtruly tasted all the variations
of types of creamers and stuffin the coffee?
Nope okay.
so then your next question is isam I choosing black coffee
because it's a habit or a safepattern, or am I willing to
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explore this?
Do I want to explore thisfurther and see what it is I
like, because you may sometimeswant black coffee.
Sometimes you may find thatwhen you go on the exploration
and you're exploring it, youfound that, oh, you know what I
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like coffee with a little bit ofcaramel and some ice in it, and
so today I feel like havingthat kind of coffee.
Are you willing to go on anexploratory journey with the
topic?
If you are identifying thatyou've made the choice you've
made at the coffee pot becauseit was out of habit, and if
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you're tired of running thathabit, are you interested in
going on a journey to explorefurther what the other options
are out there?
The other possibilities are outthere.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
But what's the benefit of it If I am?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
To see what you're missing out on.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
If I enjoy black coffee, though, and yet maybe I
have identified it as a pattern,why would I want to put myself
through the change?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
You don't have to.
That's a choice you get to make.
Okay.
I'm giving you steps on how todiscern whether or not it's a
guided or not guided.
Okay, so you're just askingyourself questions and if you're
perfectly fine with the choiceof black coffee, because you
threw in that little snag hole,so I was trying to address that.
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No, I get it if you go to thecoffee pot and you're like you
know what I like black coffee,that's a no-brainer and you pour
yourself a cup of black coffee,you sit down and that is the
highest level of enjoyment thatyou are experiencing and
choosing to participate in inthat very moment.
Staying in the now, staying inthe moment in that very moment.
Staying in the now.
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Staying in the moment.
Okay, if the enjoyment lookedsomething like you know what
today?
I'm kind of bored with blackcoffee and my highest excitement
or my highest enjoyment feelslike I want to.
You know what?
I want to drive to the coffeeshop and I want to taste two or
three different kinds of coffeeprepared a couple of different
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ways, just because that soundsfun, right.
Then you get in the car, youdrive to the coffee shop, you
order two, three, four or fivedifferent kinds, you taste them
and you see what you think aboutit.
If you find one that brings youmore enjoyment to your taste
buds than the black coffee, thenyou choose to drink that
because that's the mostenjoyable thing at the moment.
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Okay.
If none of those were enjoyableto you, then you may decide to
come back to your black coffee,and you've had an experience
that says, okay, well, I'vetried coffee abcde and none of
those were as enjoyable as theblack coffee, so I'm going to go
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back to my black coffee, I'mgoing to sit down and I'm going
to drink my black coffee and I'mgoing to enjoy it, and that's
the most enjoyable place thatI'm going to be at right this
minute okay now, in that whatyou just talked about going and
trying the other coffee, is thata human interaction into that
journey or is that a spiritualinteraction into that journey?
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I, it can, it can be identifiedas as both.
I mean, if you're, so I'mtrying to decide what is your
wanting?
If you're having a humaninteraction that doesn't feel
good, that it feels like it'sinterrupting your enjoyment or
your, uh, excitement, if itfeels like it you're you're
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doing something that youwouldn't necessarily want to do,
then yes, there is some humaninteraction going on based on a
belief, a pattern or a program.
You have to check in on how itfeels.
Does it feel enjoyable to dowhatever it is you're doing?
If it doesn't feel right, thenthere's obviously some
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perspective that you're seeingthe situation through that took
you in that direction, and it isusually a belief, pattern,
habit, program, something okay.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So here's another thought that I have, because
this happens to me as well.
And to go back to the coffeeanalogy what if I go and I try
these other coffees and none ofthem are uncomfortable, and so
does it just open doors for youjust to do whatever willy-nilly.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Absolutely.
There is no willy-nilly.
It just means that now you'vegot five different ways you like
your coffee and we go back tothe coin analogy, where they all
are equal, they all areenjoyable.
Then you should be able to walkup there, flip a coin and make
your decision based on a cointoss or put coffee A, b, c, d, e
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in a jar, pick one one out andthat's the one you're going to
hand her and that's when you'regoing to drink today, because
they're all enjoyable okay.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
And so if you're at the coffee shop and the girl
behind the counter says why youdrink different coffee every day
, what do you say?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
none of your goddamn business.
I mean, why do you care?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
well, yeah, because that's you know, that's kind of
why is it her business?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
what kind of coffee you?
She's there to sell coffeeright it's not any of her
business.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So you can choose at that point to answer her or not,
or or because I want to,because I can you know, because
this happens to me a lot is whenI there's not a lot of things
that really make meuncomfortable to speak very
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freely okay and there's notanything, really anything, that
I'm fearful of.
There are things that I humanlyworry about, yeah, but I'm not
fearful of much of anything.
Okay.
Because I have a true interiorbelief in myself, in life, and I
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don't know that I can identifywhat makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Well, when people say that to me, it's usually
because they have not set in theuncomfortable and identified it
to where they can pinpoint thevibration.
They usually are doing apattern of avoiding the
uncomfortable or distractingfrom the uncomfortable so they
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don't have to experience theuncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I don't think that's my case, though, and that's one
of the reasons why, because Ihave sat in some very
uncomfortable situations, somevery, very uncomfortable
situations in my life, and Ithink that the uncomfortable
situations were so extreme thatI see nothing else that's
uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I mean it's possible that because your uncomfortable
situations were so extreme thatthe mildly uncomfortable
situations are not beingrecognized, because you've
programmed yourself only todefine uncomfortableness as
extreme, you're not giving itthe levels of variation to be
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able to discern something thatis actually uncomfortable, that
you would rather not do, becauseit's mildly uncomfortable and
it doesn't meet your currentdefinition of uncomfortable
equals this astronomicallylife-ending kind of situation,
and so this doesn't meet that,and so sometimes it may be that
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the definition needs to beupgraded.
Okay.
And the levels of that emotion,because each emotion has a
gradient.
There's a one to 10 scale ofeach emotion.
Like you can be mildly excited,or you can be a 10 on the
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excitement scale and beoverwhelmed with tears or
laughter or jumping up and downbecause you're a 10, or it can
be mildly excited, a one whereyou get that kind of giddy
butterfly feeling in your tummybut it doesn't bring you to
tears or it doesn't make youwant to do back flips or
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something Same with the otheremotions like anger,
uncomfortableness, whatever.
If you've not integrated thefull scale of it and you only
have a definition in place thatthings are only uncomfortable to
me when they hit that 10 ormaybe an 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 mark
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and everything else is notgoing to get identified as
uncomfortable, then that meansthat maybe you need to update
your definition, becauseessentially what can happen is
if you're doing something thatis, you can just do it on kind
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of a robotic space, you just doit to get through it because
it's mildly uncomfortable, oryou can also confuse that mild
uncomfortableness as it must beenjoyable because I'm doing it
and it's not identified as a 10on the Richter scale of
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uncomfortableness.
So because my mind doesn'treally know how to log it, it
must be somewhat enjoyablebecause I'm getting up and I'm
doing it every day.
So it could be mislogged as anenjoyment or as a neutrality of
just something that one does.
And then you go back and yousay I wish I hadn't done that.
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It wasn't really verycomfortable.
Sometimes that'll happen andyou can pick it up and find it
that way after you've alreadydone it.
Pick it up and find it that wayafter you've already done it.
Sometimes that doesn't evenhappen because the person's not
even aware of the fact that itwas uncomfortable, because it
didn't create that severeuncomfortable experience.
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That's in the definition.
So they'll go ahead and they'lldo it because it's not being
logged as uncomfortable.
It sometimes is not even beinglogged as anything because the
brain doesn't know what to logit as, because it's not given a
space.
It just is what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So when, like for example, today, I went on it,
this was not an uncomfortablesituation for me, and and so I'm
trying to figure out.
You know, like in theconversation that you and I just
had, I'm also trying to figureout how do I not see this
uncomfortable stuff?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
okay, well, so the first thing I would bring to
attention is if it was truly notuncomfortable for you you as an
individual, you yourself, notany other person, their, their
thoughts, take all of that outof the way If it truly was not
uncomfortable with you and howit went down, there would be no
(35:16):
reason for a question.
Okay.
If you have to question it andit needs more validation or more
clarity, then there's somethingmore to it that you're wanting,
even if it's on a subconsciouslevel.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
But in that scenario I wasn't questioning it, and so
Okay, then why are youquestioning it now?
I'm just trying to figure outthe differences, because I don't
understand the differencesbetween a spiritual journey and
a human journey.
That's where I'm at with.
It is because spiritualjourneys to me are easy and
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graceful and I have a whole lotof human journeys that are easy
and graceful, or I view them aseasy and graceful.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Then why are you identifying Okay, so here's
where maybe the confusion isthat are easy and graceful, or I
view them as easy and graceful,then why are you identity?
Okay, so here here's wheremaybe the confusion is what is a
human journey to you?
What is the definition of that?
Because we, as spiritualindividuals who are going on
this awakening journey, versuspeople who are not on this same
kind of journey, we tend to usewords and give them different
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definitions to try and explaindifferent aspects of what we're
experiencing, and so intraditionally in the awakening
world, the kind of people thatwe are and the kind of people
that are doing this type oflifestyle.
What is meant by a humanjourney is that the human mind,
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with its beliefs, patterns andprograms, is actually what one
is using to go through life.
Okay, and it's not always aneasy one.
Okay, a spiritually guidedjourney means that you're
listening to your intuition,you're listening to your divine
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guidance and when you do that,you find that and you're
trusting that.
You tend to find that the flowof life and the experiences in
life are much more pleasant andeasy.
That's how the collective kindof defines that.
Okay.
The human journey, or the humanaspect of the journey, is a
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little bit more bumpy road.
It doesn't mean that one iswrong and one is right.
But if you're asking for easeand grace, you want to get clear
about what it means to you whenyou say I am having a human day
or I'm having a human journeyversus a spiritual journey.
You got to find the definitionthat works for you on those two
(37:57):
things.
First of all, if you're wantingclarity on what's human versus
what's spiritual, on what'shuman versus what's spiritual
Okay.
And maybe for you there's noneed to differentiate the two.
Maybe for you it's one and thesame and everything is
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spiritually guided and it justis that.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Well, I don't know about all that, because I've had
journeys that aren't fun thelast three years to be.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Just because they're not fun doesn't mean that
they're not spiritually guided.
If you had a contract that saidyou wanted to experience that,
even though it wasn't going tobe fun for growth and
development and learning, eventhough it wasn't going to be fun
for growth and development andlearning, then you'll go down
(38:49):
that track regardless.
And so that doesn't necessarilymean that it was a human
journey.
That just means that you madethe decision prior to coming
into this meat suit that youwanted to experience that thing.
And you told your guides andyour counsel to make sure that
you wanted to experience thatthing and you told your guides
and your council to make surethat you experienced that
because it was going to give youthe biggest growth in that area
(39:13):
.
And even if you go fighting andtry to get off path, you still
want to experience it.
That's why you experience it.
It doesn't necessarily meanthat it was human.
It's when you get those cuesalong the way and maybe this
will be helpful like this, likethis morning.
(39:36):
May I share okay you said you,you, you headed out on your
journey and you were going to goand you were going to do this
thing, and you came back home.
You didn't do it because yousaid the energy changed yep so,
when the energy changed, insteadof recognizing that the energy
(39:58):
changed and coming back home, soto speak, or whatever and human
interference would have beennot to recognize that the energy
changed and continue forward onthe journey.
Humanly, I don't care that theenergy changed.
I am going to go and do thisthing Because, with the energy
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changing, I would interpret itbased on my own definition.
I would have interpreted thatas okay, I hear you spirit or
intuition.
I'm not supposed to necessarilybe following this completely
through.
Give me clarity on what thepurpose was to go this far with
it.
(40:41):
I'd like more understanding andI'm going to just go on back
home because I hear you that's aspiritually guided journey.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's almost verbatim what I did.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
So a human version of that is okay.
Yeah, the energy's changed, butI don't care.
I am going to go forth withthis and I'm still going to go
up there.
I'm going to go do thisinterview, I'm going to sell
myself, just like the ad said.
And so you go up there, youwait for hours in line to have
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your turn and by this timeyou're tired.
You're hot because you've gotyour suit on and you're hungry
because it's like past lunch andfinally it's your turn.
Then you get in there and hegets called away because there's
an important phone call, sohe's got to stop you.
And that might be what thejourney would look like, because
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you humanly went ahead with it.
I'm just making it up as I goalong just to give you kind of
the difference between the twoexperiences from my perspective
okay and so for me, if I were inthat journey and I had
experienced that way, that to medoes not feel like ease and
(42:02):
grace, it does not feel it wouldhave been beat down it would
have felt tiresome, energydraining by that time.
I would have been frustrated andannoyed.
I wouldn't have been able toreally even focus on selling
myself, um, in an interviewprocess.
I would have just been done andI probably would have gone
(42:25):
ahead and just walked out andleft, knowing me and my
personality.
That's the difference in what Iwould, how I have human versus
spirit defined for me, in howthe two go, one is an easy one,
even though I left feeling like,okay, I hear you and I'm going
(42:49):
to stop, but I don't completelyunderstand it yet.
I'm going to ask forclarification, listen for the
answer and trust that it'll beshown to me and whatever way I
can hear it, see it oracknowledge it, versus the other
way that was absolutely justmiserable.
(43:11):
That was the human side of methat said, yep, I feel the
energy change, but I'm gonna dothis anyway well, you almost
said prepaid.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And when I said in the car, when energy did change,
you know it was a for me itbecame more about I didn't
understand what had justhappened and like every part of
me is like, yeah, just go homeand that's what I did.
And so the I guess what I'mgetting to is that is probably
for me, and I guess what I'mgetting to is that is probably
for me.
This topic is one of thehardest things for me to discern
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, because I have so muchconfidence and trust in myself
that there's not too manyjourneys that I log as
uncomfortable, and because Ihave been through some things in
my life, and in my life I havelearned to trust in myself and
(44:11):
to just follow the next bestfeeling thing and do the do that
with and do do it both feet in100%, commit to it and do it,
and that's kind of where I have.
I have been a lot in my lifeand my journeys and I hope that
people out there can hear thisand listen and understand that I
think my journeys areidentified better by the next
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best feeling thing and justgoing with the flow.
You know, going with the flowof things and because that is.
That is a hard thing for me todiscern.
I have, I do struggle withidentifying spiritual journey,
human journey.
Of course I rely on my visionsand my you know, my energetic
reads on things a lot and whenpeople can understand their own
(44:59):
differentiates of those, I thinkit's a beneficial thing you
know differentiate of those.
I think it's a beneficial thingyou know understanding how to
get to the point of identifyinghuman interaction or human
interjection, and spiritualjourney, because spiritual
journey is supposed to be easyand graceful not always and well
, that's how the collective Imean, if you want to define it
(45:22):
as that you can like.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
It comes down to how you want to define it yeah like
it comes down to literally.
You have to stop and look atyour definition of how you're
going to define it for yourselfI, I agree, sometimes a
spiritual journey can bechallenging, but the reward at
the end is very much worth itand very much a part of your
(45:45):
fiber and your being and and andyou know that that's what you
wanted to experience.
And so, even though the, eventhough the journey is difficult,
you still have this innerknowing.
You still have this innerknowing if you're in language
(46:08):
with your intuition and your,your guides and yourself.
Even though the journey isdifficult or uncomfortable, you
know like you'd like, like youknow it's just a knowing that
I'm still supposed to be here.
It's not time for me to ejectout of this, or I am supposed to
do this, and whatever comes outof it or whatever comes out on
(46:31):
the other end, is what I signedup for.
So sometimes the journey can bechallenging and it can be
difficult.
Okay.
Because you signed up to takethose more challenging journeys
for your growth and developmentokay I know that is probably not
helping the question around thehuman versus spiritual guidance
(46:58):
, and I mean essentially, if youwant to take it down a rabbit
hole, you can.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
We'll have to do that on a second podcast.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I mean whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
It matters not.
Well, I think this willdefinitely be turned into a
second podcast because I'm notdone with the subject yet, but
we're hitting our time limit forthe upload.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
It needs something Like I still feel like there's
some confusion out there on thehuman um versus spiritual aspect
, and I guess the note that Iwould leave everybody with is
you, you've got to first clarifythe definition of those two
(47:44):
things.
Okay.
And decide for yourself what isthe definition of human
interference and spiritualguidance.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
That would be the first place to start.
Yeah, that's kind of where I'mat, and the second step would be
to check into how it feels.
If it feels off from yournatural state of being, then
there's something more to lookat.
There's a belief, there's apattern, there's a habit.
If you have to stop and ask aquestion on anything you're
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doing or any topic or any wordor anything, if there's ever a
question or a need to furtherjustify your experience in it,
then there's more to look at.
Because whenever you make adecision to do something, if
somebody asks you questionsabout it, you won't feel the
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need to expound on it or justifyit.
You just know that it is whatyou're supposed to be doing and
it doesn't matter what anybodythinks.
It doesn't matter whatanybody's opinion is.
It just doesn't matter to youbecause you know that you're
doing what you're spirituallyguided to do.
If it's a human experience andyou're kind of going against
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what you're being spirituallyguided to do, that's when the
monkey business comes in ofquestioning yourself Questions
will pop up or being worriedabout what they think.
When the girl asks why you picka different coffee every
(49:26):
morning, you will not feel theneed to even answer her.
You literally will grab yourcoffee, go sit down your table
and not even give her an answer.
you just won't even feel theneed to engage with her like
fair enough if it's somethingthat you're questioning within
(49:46):
yourself because it's not aspiritually guided journey and
it's more human, then what sheasks you will bother you and
you'll feel the need to justifyto her which is you actually
justifying to yourself, whyyou're doing what you're doing?
Sometimes we have conversationswith other people because we're
(50:08):
justifying to our own selves,because our voice is the biggest
programmer of our own minds andour own beliefs.
Okay.
And we need to hear what we haveto say, but sometimes we won't
listen unless we say it tosomebody else.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Fair enough.
I enjoy the assessment.
I like that Anyway.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I would start with those steps.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Real quick.
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It's under a script, it'scalled scripted from within and,
uh, it's Dr Jenny's book on.
How would you describe yourbook?
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, I mean basically the topic that we're
talking about.
I take you through an entirejourney of understanding the
belief process, how it looks,what you can do about it, how to
work through it, how beliefs,patterns and programs literally
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Muck it all up, how you canuntangle it and start living
life from a place of creatingyour reality rather than it
being on autopilot.
You begin to be the author ofyour own reality.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Was that a plug?
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
And writing your own story, rather than just living
on autopilot thinking thatthere's nothing that you can do
about it.
Okay, and writing your ownstory, rather than just living
on autopilot thinking thatthere's nothing that you can do
about it.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Nice, yeah, it is available for free order on
Amazon.
Nice.
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It's under $15 and it'sprobably the best $15 you ever
spent.
I would agree.
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Speaker 2 (52:06):
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Speaker 1 (52:09):
I'm a little particular.
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put it on the website too, right?
I think we're going to linkthat.
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Thank you.
Good morning everybody.
Welcome back to the Spears ofGrind.
We are in studio with Dr Jennyand myself.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Good morning Dr Jenny .
How are you today?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Hanging in there like a monkey.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
From his tail.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Sometimes it feels like that.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Life can be a little difficult sometimes.
Welcome back, guys.
Thank you for tuning in andlistening.
Today we are going to talkabout a couple of things.
I think One of those things issomething that I need to talk
about and that is humaninteraction and interjection
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into my journey.
I am pretty I would say it'shabitual for me a little bit.
I humanly interact with myspiritual journey and sometimes
it can cause a little bit ofproblems and sometimes it don't.
It just really all depends, butit kind of is where I guess my
(01:38):
belief systems have taking me,taken me to in my life, and
sometimes it can be a littledifficult.
What do you think about that,dr Jane?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean for sure , Human interaction can muck up
the whole process.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It can and it does for me sometimes, and so I fall
back on.
You know, I guess we're herehumanly to have experiences and
to add to the great, you know,vast array of knowledge that
everybody can share, and theycall the Akashic Records.
(02:19):
And we add to that knowledgeand we try to bring that to us.
Now, over the last few yearsI've had a journey of things to
where, humanly, I've interactedSometimes it's spiritual,
sometimes it's not and it's beena rocky road in trying to get
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back to the roots of spiritualawakeness and when you've been
living that off and on journeyof humanness can be difficult.
It can be a tough place to bein.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, it can.
Stopping the habits or thepatterns can be sometimes the
most challenging part of thejourney, but I guess, on the
positive side, recognizing thatthey're there is probably the
first step.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's kind of like being an alcoholic Recognizing.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I guess I've never been an alcoholic, so I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, I haven't either.
I've been to the meetings whenI used to do some things.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, I've not been to the meetings.
I used to do some things.
Yeah, I've not been to themeetings.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But back in the day.
But you know, I think you'reright is identifying the
humanness within it and makingsure that you at least try to
interact and change beliefsbehind it with every interaction
.
To me is the hardest part,because I am very much a
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creature of habit and when Iview things as a challenge, I
hit them.
I, you know, I hit it fullforce because you know the fight
or flight syndrome or thingthat people have is I am that
guy that fights.
I am not a fighter, not arunner.
(04:09):
I'm going to hit you head on.
And understanding thecorrelation between the two of
those for me is where I go a lotin my thought processes and
clearings in the morning.
And clearings in the morningand you know, particularly today
is a day that I'm reallychecking in with it and trying
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to figure out what's the balancewithin it, because where do you
go with it?
And that's my challenge.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
What do you mean?
Where do you go with it?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
I don't know.
I mean, I understand that I doit, but I don't know where do I,
how do I change it and where doI get to a place of balance
within it?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
okay, I think identifying what it is first all
would be the first place ofclarity.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, I mean the human interaction, the human
interjection into the journeys.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
That's what I'm talking about, and so is there a
question in there.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I guess I don't know what you are wanting to
conversate about, I guess, iswhat I'm saying.
My conversation is more abouthow do we tell people out there
to identify their humaninterjections into their journey
, how do they identify them andhow do they make sure that that
is within balance, because weare here for human experience,
(05:45):
we're living a spiritual journey, and so how do you keep balance
in that?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Well, there's not that Well.
I mean, it's not really aboutkeeping balance.
It's about discerning whichvoice you want to listen to and
which one takes you on thejourney that you want to go on.
You're going to experience itin two different ways.
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If you're always following thathuman voice that's trying to
guide you in a human direction,that experience is going to look
much different than if you'relistening to your spiritual
voice and going in thatdirection.
(06:32):
There are two differentdirections and getting to a
point where you are going tomake a decision on which one
you're going to listen to andwhich one you're going to trust
will depend on how you want yourreality to look and the beliefs
that you carry around.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
That, basically, but do we ever really not humanly
interact into our spiritualjourney?
Is there anybody that can eversay that they fully lived a
spiritual journey?
And then, how do you get youexperience?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't think that the goal is to be able to say
that fully live a spiritualjourney.
I mean, you're not gandhi,you're not buddha, unless you
want to be, and then that's acompletely different path
altogether and even they hadtheir human counterparts within
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it that they had to identify andwork through.
It's the.
The key is to not ask forclarity clarity is and then do
something different, not to keeprepeating the same dumb shit
(07:51):
that's the key and expecting adifferent result.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, that's what I was the clarity.
What I was talking about iscreating the balance within it,
because the reference that youjust gave even Gandhi had human
experiences, and do we reallyknow when you're supposed to
repeat the human interaction andwhen you're not, and how do we
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clarify that?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
it's all based on whatever belief and program
you're running it literally isbased on that.
If you believe program you'rerunning it literally is based on
that, if you believe thatyou're supposed to repeat it,
then you'll look for ways torepeat it, even on a
subconscious level.
If you decide that it's notnecessary for me to repeat this
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I don't want to experience itagain.
I've learned what I'm going tolearn, period, and I don't want
to experience it again.
I've learned what I'm going tolearn, period, and I don't want
to repeat it.
Then you'll begin to look forsomething different, and it's a
habit.
Then you practice.
You practice looking forsomething different, doing
things differently, and as soonas you catch yourself falling
(09:01):
back into the habit of whatcreated the reality that you're
not necessarily liking, thatyou're calling a human
experience, then you immediatelystop that behavior and you
exchange it with the newbehavior to further sink in the
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new habit that you want.
Because the old habit isingrained into the mind and it's
kind of like driving around ina pasture.
You're naturally going to wantto go down that path that has
the tire marks ingrained in it,rather than creating a new trail
(09:44):
.
Until you've created that newtrail in your brain to where
there's actually a road there inthat direction.
It'll feel weird and it'll feelawkward and you may find
yourself veering off into theold comfortable habit or pattern
or whatever until you'verecreated the new path okay and
(10:09):
if you're not aware of it andcan't catch it, then it'll catch
you by surprise and you'll findyourself just doing those
habits mindlessly again.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay, so how do you discern between successful human
interaction and spiritualjourney?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
How does it feel?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, you know, like, for example, in my case,
there's been many times in myhuman journey that I've been
very successful in doing thethings that I do.
And how do I know that that wasa human journey or a spiritual
journey?
How do I know?
How do I discern between thetwo?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, you go based on how it feels.
It could be a spiritual journeyand along the way, there were
parts of it that you didn't carefor, which was your human
making choices along thatjourney that made it a little
more difficult or a little moreof a struggle or felt not all
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together joyful or happy.
That's the human perceiving itthrough the eyes of the belief
system that make it go in adirection that you didn't
necessarily care for.
I mean, if you talk about aspecific journey, I can maybe
help dial it in, but if we'regoing to stay general about it,
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you you can't clump the wholejourney together because the
whole journey wasn't garbagejourney together because the
whole journey wasn't garbage.
You've got to take your ownpersonal time to take the
journey, dig through it, findthe components of the journey
that you enjoyed, make that list, find the components within the
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journey that you didn't carefor and identify each one of
those individually and say, okay, why did that part of it happen
?
Do I want that to stay?
Do I want it to go?
Do I want to modify it?
And you just take each littlepiece, piece, piece, piece by
(12:19):
piece, and you go through thejourney so that the next journey
that you go on, you're nottaking that baggage of
experience with you.
You're creating a true,authentic new journey, instead
of falling into some habitualpattern that feels more
comfortable than the new journeythat you're going on.
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We tend to seek Things thatfeel more comfortable, and the
unknown sometimes isuncomfortable Because we don't
necessarily Hear All of theParts and pieces of the journey
that are being shown to us.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Did you say pizza?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, I didn't say pizza.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Oh, I thought you said pizza, sorry.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Are you angry?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, it's just you said.
I thought you said parts of apizza.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I mean it can be identified as a pizza pie cut in
different sections, if you so.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
here that way here you're actually kind of leading
right into where I wanted totalk about here in this is what
if both of those journeys,neither one of them, are
uncomfortable?
What if that?
Like for me, you know, and tobe more specific, I have a
tendency to do certain habitswhen I'm trying to create
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financial abundance.
Okay, and none of the journeysare uncomfortable that I have
come across yet.
Okay, and so how do you discernbetween the two?
That's where I'm trying to getis, how do I know and I'm sure
that there are people out therethat listen to this that don't
understand either how do youdiscern between two journeys
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Neither one of them areuncomfortable which?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
one's right.
They're both equally right Ifthey bring joy or excitement or
pleasure into your life.
At that point then you flip acoin or you do them both
simultaneously.
If they truly hold the samefrequency and they truly hold
the same level of enjoyment,then you should be able to flip
(14:33):
a coin and be okay with nomatter which way that coin lands
.
It's just you making a decisionbecause you have to pick one or
the other.
If you're not in a place whereyou can pick them both and do
both of them, then you should beable to take a coin and journey
one is heads, journey two istells and you flip a coin and
(14:56):
literally whatever it lands on,you go and do that journey and
it's fine.
If you flip that coin andthere's any aspect of you that
says, and it lands on heads,we'll say, if there's anything
in you that that very momentthat pops in and says, oh dang,
I wish that was tells, thenthat's a dead ringer, that there
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is some difference between thetwo journeys and you need to go
in the direction of what and youneed to check in again.
Okay.
So maybe play that game If youtruly truly have looked at it
and are truly truly have, arenot tricking yourself into
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believing that they're bothequally fun and equally joyful,
and not disguised as anxiety,which can be very close, or
nervous or any any um kind of amild apprehension apprehension
(16:01):
which can be.
They're very close in frequencyto joy and they can be confused
.
Then you should be able to flipa coin and it not matter how it
lands and you go with whicheverone the coin lands on, and so
the coin flip is actually apretty good tool when you're
(16:22):
trying to pick between two.
That doesn't mean that it'snecessarily human interference.
It just means that you have twothings that are equally as
enjoyable and you can'tnecessarily do them at the same
time because there's only one ofyou.
Then you should be able to flipa coin and go with whatever it
lands on and go, try that oneout.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That's fair, that's a fair analogy, I would say.
Now the the other part of thatthat kind of gets me sometimes
is when I do either journey,whatever it is, either journey
and I don't do them completely.
(17:08):
Okay.
Why does that happen?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, I mean, you tell me.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I don't know why is your expectation that you've got
to do it completely.
Perhaps only doing partiallywas the motivating factor that
your spirit gave you to get youoff your butt, to go and start
taking action, because maybe youwere in a stalemate situation
(17:38):
and not knowing which directionto go, and so maybe it was just
simply to get you off the couch,going in some direction so that
you could get clarity anddiscernment, and it was never
meant to be followed through, itwas just to get you
(17:58):
energetically, some momentumgoing in some direction, one way
or the other okay.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
So when, when like, for example, the financial
abundance journey that I'm onright now I get motivated to do
something, but I don't completeit, like this morning, because
suddenly the energy changedbehind it.
Okay.
I don't understand that.
Why would I create a spot whereI have a journey that I'm
(18:32):
willing to go on and I commit togo doing that journey because I
feel like it's guided, but yetthe energy changes behind it?
Did I miss my opportunity?
Did I wait too long?
Did?
Did the human interjectionrelease from it?
Did it believe clear?
You know that's more part ofthe confusion I have today and
(18:55):
that's why I'm bringing up thistopic.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean, you know, in a situation like what you're
speaking about, what I teach isI would like for the individual
to get to a place where theyhave a language with their
guides, with their inner self,and be able to answer that
question themselves.
I agree, you have to check inwith your own guides, your own
(19:27):
guidance system, your ownintuitive elements and hear what
they are trying to say as towhat the answer on a frequency
level, so that you can hear theclarity of the answer to help
(19:52):
navigate the confusion.
Okay.
And it's there.
They're giving it to you.
It's just that your frequencyis not lined up with it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Then how do you do that?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Practice, you have to practice it.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But if you don't know how, to do it, do you?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
you can't ignore it and then expect it to be
something that you're good atdefine practice overnight define
practice for me like what doyou if you don't know how to do
in the first place, how do youpractice it?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
well, like I've said in previous podcasts, you take
small little things and youbegin to learn what the
frequencies feel like, what thefrequencies sound like, what
they look like.
You've got to learn what yourlanguage is with your spirit
guide, with your counsel, withyour intuition.
You've got to first learn whatthat language is.
Does it come through visions?
(20:48):
Does it come through audiblewords in your head?
Does it come with a commercialon a TV?
A combination of any of those,and asking easy questions and
listening for and aligning withthe frequency of that to be able
(21:09):
to fine tune the skill is whatI mean by practicing.
So you ask a question am Isupposed to have black coffee
today or am I supposed to putcreamer in it?
okay so when you ask thatquestion and you stop and you
feel and listen and look, ifyou're standing at the coffee
pot and you just ask that simplelittle question, an answer is
(21:32):
going to pop in.
Okay.
Because it's an easy kind ofthing what does it feel like
your body wants?
And so if you stopped and askedyourself that question, I want
you to participate here.
It's a participatory kind ofpractical.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Oh, you want me here.
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So you're at the coffee pot and you ask yourself
okay, do I want black coffee ordo I want coffee with creamer?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Black coffee.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You automatically know what the answer is.
Why?
How do you automatically?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Here's the part that I fall into.
I've always drank black coffee.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So then, how do you know you don't like it with some
sort of cream in it.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, I have tasted it with cream in it before, but
never wholeheartedly given anattempt to drink coffee with
creamer.
And so there's that decisionbased off habit and belief and
pattern.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's where I'm at is that discern, discernment and
understanding what I'mfollowing you.
Okay so, okay, okay.
So, instead of so you'veanswered the question I want
black coffee.
So my next part of that andthis is for people that are
learning how to identify whatsome steps are in it Would be
(22:52):
okay.
How do you know you like theblack coffee?
Have you tried the coffee withthe creamer?
Because you've collected yourown information and you know
that you don't like the creamerin your coffee.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I have in the past.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That would be the next question yeah, it was been
years ago okay, and have youtruly tasted all the variations
of types of creamers and stuffin the coffee?
Nope okay.
so then your next question is isam I choosing black coffee
because it's a habit or a safepattern, or am I willing to
(23:31):
explore this?
Do I want to explore thisfurther and see what it is I
like, because you may sometimeswant black coffee.
Sometimes you may find thatwhen you go on the exploration
and you're exploring it, youfound that, oh, you know what I
(23:52):
like coffee with a little bit ofcaramel and some ice in it, and
so today I feel like havingthat kind of coffee.
Are you willing to go on anexploratory journey with the
topic?
If you are identifying thatyou've made the choice you've
made at the coffee pot becauseit was out of habit, and if
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you're tired of running thathabit, are you interested in
going on a journey to explorefurther what the other options
are out there?
The other possibilities are outthere.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
But what's the benefit of it If I am?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
To see what you're missing out on.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
If I enjoy black coffee, though, and yet maybe I
have identified it as a pattern,why would I want to put myself
through the change?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
You don't have to.
That's a choice you get to make.
Okay.
I'm giving you steps on how todiscern whether or not it's a
guided or not guided.
Okay, so you're just askingyourself questions and if you're
perfectly fine with the choiceof black coffee, because you
threw in that little snag hole,so I was trying to address that.
(25:06):
No, I get it if you go to thecoffee pot and you're like you
know what I like black coffee,that's a no-brainer and you pour
yourself a cup of black coffee,you sit down and that is the
highest level of enjoyment thatyou are experiencing and
choosing to participate in inthat very moment.
Staying in the now, staying inthe moment in that very moment.
Staying in the now.
(25:26):
Staying in the moment.
Okay, if the enjoyment lookedsomething like you know what
today?
I'm kind of bored with blackcoffee and my highest excitement
or my highest enjoyment feelslike I want to.
You know what?
I want to drive to the coffeeshop and I want to taste two or
three different kinds of coffeeprepared a couple of different
(25:51):
ways, just because that soundsfun, right.
Then you get in the car, youdrive to the coffee shop, you
order two, three, four or fivedifferent kinds, you taste them
and you see what you think aboutit.
If you find one that brings youmore enjoyment to your taste
buds than the black coffee, thenyou choose to drink that
because that's the mostenjoyable thing at the moment.
(26:13):
Okay.
If none of those were enjoyableto you, then you may decide to
come back to your black coffee,and you've had an experience
that says, okay, well, I'vetried coffee abcde and none of
those were as enjoyable as theblack coffee, so I'm going to go
(26:36):
back to my black coffee, I'mgoing to sit down and I'm going
to drink my black coffee and I'mgoing to enjoy it, and that's
the most enjoyable place thatI'm going to be at right this
minute okay now, in that whatyou just talked about going and
trying the other coffee, is thata human interaction into that
journey or is that a spiritualinteraction into that journey?
(27:01):
I, it can, it can be identifiedas as both.
I mean, if you're, so I'mtrying to decide what is your
wanting?
If you're having a humaninteraction that doesn't feel
good, that it feels like it'sinterrupting your enjoyment or
your, uh, excitement, if itfeels like it you're you're
(27:25):
doing something that youwouldn't necessarily want to do,
then yes, there is some humaninteraction going on based on a
belief, a pattern or a program.
You have to check in on how itfeels.
Does it feel enjoyable to dowhatever it is you're doing?
If it doesn't feel right, thenthere's obviously some
(27:48):
perspective that you're seeingthe situation through that took
you in that direction, and it isusually a belief, pattern,
habit, program, something okay.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So here's another thought that I have, because
this happens to me as well.
And to go back to the coffeeanalogy what if I go and I try
these other coffees and none ofthem are uncomfortable, and so
does it just open doors for youjust to do whatever willy-nilly.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Absolutely.
There is no willy-nilly.
It just means that now you'vegot five different ways you like
your coffee and we go back tothe coin analogy, where they all
are equal, they all areenjoyable.
Then you should be able to walkup there, flip a coin and make
your decision based on a cointoss or put coffee A, b, c, d, e
(28:46):
in a jar, pick one one out andthat's the one you're going to
hand her and that's when you'regoing to drink today, because
they're all enjoyable okay.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
And so if you're at the coffee shop and the girl
behind the counter says why youdrink different coffee every day
, what do you say?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
none of your goddamn business.
I mean, why do you care?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
well, yeah, because that's you know, that's kind of
why is it her business?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
what kind of coffee you?
She's there to sell coffeeright it's not any of her
business.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So you can choose at that point to answer her or not,
or or because I want to,because I can you know, because
this happens to me a lot is whenI there's not a lot of things
that really make meuncomfortable to speak very
(29:40):
freely okay and there's notanything, really anything, that
I'm fearful of.
There are things that I humanlyworry about, yeah, but I'm not
fearful of much of anything.
Okay.
Because I have a true interiorbelief in myself, in life, and I
(30:02):
don't know that I can identifywhat makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Well, when people say that to me, it's usually
because they have not set in theuncomfortable and identified it
to where they can pinpoint thevibration.
They usually are doing apattern of avoiding the
uncomfortable or distractingfrom the uncomfortable so they
(30:30):
don't have to experience theuncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I don't think that's my case, though, and that's one
of the reasons why, because Ihave sat in some very
uncomfortable situations, somevery, very uncomfortable
situations in my life, and Ithink that the uncomfortable
situations were so extreme thatI see nothing else that's
uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I mean it's possible that because your uncomfortable
situations were so extreme thatthe mildly uncomfortable
situations are not beingrecognized, because you've
programmed yourself only todefine uncomfortableness as
extreme, you're not giving itthe levels of variation to be
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able to discern something thatis actually uncomfortable, that
you would rather not do, becauseit's mildly uncomfortable and
it doesn't meet your currentdefinition of uncomfortable
equals this astronomicallylife-ending kind of situation,
and so this doesn't meet that,and so sometimes it may be that
(31:36):
the definition needs to beupgraded.
Okay.
And the levels of that emotion,because each emotion has a
gradient.
There's a one to 10 scale ofeach emotion.
Like you can be mildly excited,or you can be a 10 on the
(31:57):
excitement scale and beoverwhelmed with tears or
laughter or jumping up and downbecause you're a 10, or it can
be mildly excited, a one whereyou get that kind of giddy
butterfly feeling in your tummybut it doesn't bring you to
tears or it doesn't make youwant to do back flips or
(32:18):
something Same with the otheremotions like anger,
uncomfortableness, whatever.
If you've not integrated thefull scale of it and you only
have a definition in place thatthings are only uncomfortable to
me when they hit that 10 ormaybe an 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 mark
(32:41):
and everything else is notgoing to get identified as
uncomfortable, then that meansthat maybe you need to update
your definition, becauseessentially what can happen is
if you're doing something thatis, you can just do it on kind
(33:08):
of a robotic space, you just doit to get through it because
it's mildly uncomfortable, oryou can also confuse that mild
uncomfortableness as it must beenjoyable because I'm doing it
and it's not identified as a 10on the Richter scale of
(33:32):
uncomfortableness.
So because my mind doesn'treally know how to log it, it
must be somewhat enjoyablebecause I'm getting up and I'm
doing it every day.
So it could be mislogged as anenjoyment or as a neutrality of
just something that one does.
And then you go back and yousay I wish I hadn't done that.
(33:58):
It wasn't really verycomfortable.
Sometimes that'll happen andyou can pick it up and find it
that way after you've alreadydone it.
Pick it up and find it that wayafter you've already done it.
Sometimes that doesn't evenhappen because the person's not
even aware of the fact that itwas uncomfortable, because it
didn't create that severeuncomfortable experience.
(34:20):
That's in the definition.
So they'll go ahead and they'lldo it because it's not being
logged as uncomfortable.
It sometimes is not even beinglogged as anything because the
brain doesn't know what to logit as, because it's not given a
space.
It just is what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So when, like for example, today, I went on it,
this was not an uncomfortablesituation for me, and and so I'm
trying to figure out.
You know, like in theconversation that you and I just
had, I'm also trying to figureout how do I not see this
uncomfortable stuff?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
okay, well, so the first thing I would bring to
attention is if it was truly notuncomfortable for you you as an
individual, you yourself, notany other person, their, their
thoughts, take all of that outof the way If it truly was not
uncomfortable with you and howit went down, there would be no
(35:16):
reason for a question.
Okay.
If you have to question it andit needs more validation or more
clarity, then there's somethingmore to it that you're wanting,
even if it's on a subconsciouslevel.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
But in that scenario I wasn't questioning it, and so
Okay, then why are youquestioning it now?
I'm just trying to figure outthe differences, because I don't
understand the differencesbetween a spiritual journey and
a human journey.
That's where I'm at with.
It is because spiritualjourneys to me are easy and
(35:57):
graceful and I have a whole lotof human journeys that are easy
and graceful, or I view them aseasy and graceful.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Then why are you identifying Okay, so here's
where maybe the confusion isthat are easy and graceful, or I
view them as easy and graceful,then why are you identity?
Okay, so here here's wheremaybe the confusion is what is a
human journey to you?
What is the definition of that?
Because we, as spiritualindividuals who are going on
this awakening journey, versuspeople who are not on this same
kind of journey, we tend to usewords and give them different
(36:25):
definitions to try and explaindifferent aspects of what we're
experiencing, and so intraditionally in the awakening
world, the kind of people thatwe are and the kind of people
that are doing this type oflifestyle.
What is meant by a humanjourney is that the human mind,
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with its beliefs, patterns andprograms, is actually what one
is using to go through life.
Okay, and it's not always aneasy one.
Okay, a spiritually guidedjourney means that you're
listening to your intuition,you're listening to your divine
(37:12):
guidance and when you do that,you find that and you're
trusting that.
You tend to find that the flowof life and the experiences in
life are much more pleasant andeasy.
That's how the collective kindof defines that.
Okay.
The human journey, or the humanaspect of the journey, is a
(37:35):
little bit more bumpy road.
It doesn't mean that one iswrong and one is right.
But if you're asking for easeand grace, you want to get clear
about what it means to you whenyou say I am having a human day
or I'm having a human journeyversus a spiritual journey.
You got to find the definitionthat works for you on those two
(37:57):
things.
First of all, if you're wantingclarity on what's human versus
what's spiritual, on what'shuman versus what's spiritual
Okay.
And maybe for you there's noneed to differentiate the two.
Maybe for you it's one and thesame and everything is
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spiritually guided and it justis that.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Well, I don't know about all that, because I've had
journeys that aren't fun thelast three years to be.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Just because they're not fun doesn't mean that
they're not spiritually guided.
If you had a contract that saidyou wanted to experience that,
even though it wasn't going tobe fun for growth and
development and learning, eventhough it wasn't going to be fun
for growth and development andlearning, then you'll go down
(38:49):
that track regardless.
And so that doesn't necessarilymean that it was a human
journey.
That just means that you madethe decision prior to coming
into this meat suit that youwanted to experience that thing.
And you told your guides andyour counsel to make sure that
you wanted to experience thatthing and you told your guides
and your council to make surethat you experienced that
because it was going to give youthe biggest growth in that area
(39:13):
.
And even if you go fighting andtry to get off path, you still
want to experience it.
That's why you experience it.
It doesn't necessarily meanthat it was human.
It's when you get those cuesalong the way and maybe this
will be helpful like this, likethis morning.
(39:36):
May I share okay you said you,you, you headed out on your
journey and you were going to goand you were going to do this
thing, and you came back home.
You didn't do it because yousaid the energy changed yep so,
when the energy changed, insteadof recognizing that the energy
(39:58):
changed and coming back home, soto speak, or whatever and human
interference would have beennot to recognize that the energy
changed and continue forward onthe journey.
Humanly, I don't care that theenergy changed.
I am going to go and do thisthing Because, with the energy
(40:21):
changing, I would interpret itbased on my own definition.
I would have interpreted thatas okay, I hear you spirit or
intuition.
I'm not supposed to necessarilybe following this completely
through.
Give me clarity on what thepurpose was to go this far with
it.
(40:41):
I'd like more understanding andI'm going to just go on back
home because I hear you that's aspiritually guided journey.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's almost verbatim what I did.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
So a human version of that is okay.
Yeah, the energy's changed, butI don't care.
I am going to go forth withthis and I'm still going to go
up there.
I'm going to go do thisinterview, I'm going to sell
myself, just like the ad said.
And so you go up there, youwait for hours in line to have
(41:17):
your turn and by this timeyou're tired.
You're hot because you've gotyour suit on and you're hungry
because it's like past lunch andfinally it's your turn.
Then you get in there and hegets called away because there's
an important phone call, sohe's got to stop you.
And that might be what thejourney would look like, because
(41:41):
you humanly went ahead with it.
I'm just making it up as I goalong just to give you kind of
the difference between the twoexperiences from my perspective
okay and so for me, if I were inthat journey and I had
experienced that way, that to medoes not feel like ease and
(42:02):
grace, it does not feel it wouldhave been beat down it would
have felt tiresome, energydraining by that time.
I would have been frustrated andannoyed.
I wouldn't have been able toreally even focus on selling
myself, um, in an interviewprocess.
I would have just been done andI probably would have gone
(42:25):
ahead and just walked out andleft, knowing me and my
personality.
That's the difference in what Iwould, how I have human versus
spirit defined for me, in howthe two go, one is an easy one,
even though I left feeling like,okay, I hear you and I'm going
(42:49):
to stop, but I don't completelyunderstand it yet.
I'm going to ask forclarification, listen for the
answer and trust that it'll beshown to me and whatever way I
can hear it, see it oracknowledge it, versus the other
way that was absolutely justmiserable.
(43:11):
That was the human side of methat said, yep, I feel the
energy change, but I'm gonna dothis anyway well, you almost
said prepaid.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
And when I said in the car, when energy did change,
you know it was a for me itbecame more about I didn't
understand what had justhappened and like every part of
me is like, yeah, just go homeand that's what I did.
And so the I guess what I'mgetting to is that is probably
for me, and I guess what I'mgetting to is that is probably
for me.
This topic is one of thehardest things for me to discern
(43:47):
, because I have so muchconfidence and trust in myself
that there's not too manyjourneys that I log as
uncomfortable, and because Ihave been through some things in
my life, and in my life I havelearned to trust in myself and
(44:11):
to just follow the next bestfeeling thing and do the do that
with and do do it both feet in100%, commit to it and do it,
and that's kind of where I have.
I have been a lot in my lifeand my journeys and I hope that
people out there can hear thisand listen and understand that I
think my journeys areidentified better by the next
(44:35):
best feeling thing and justgoing with the flow.
You know, going with the flowof things and because that is.
That is a hard thing for me todiscern.
I have, I do struggle withidentifying spiritual journey,
human journey.
Of course I rely on my visionsand my you know, my energetic
reads on things a lot and whenpeople can understand their own
(44:59):
differentiates of those, I thinkit's a beneficial thing you
know differentiate of those.
I think it's a beneficial thingyou know understanding how to
get to the point of identifyinghuman interaction or human
interjection, and spiritualjourney, because spiritual
journey is supposed to be easyand graceful not always and well
, that's how the collective Imean, if you want to define it
(45:22):
as that you can like.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
It comes down to how you want to define it yeah like
it comes down to literally.
You have to stop and look atyour definition of how you're
going to define it for yourselfI, I agree, sometimes a
spiritual journey can bechallenging, but the reward at
the end is very much worth itand very much a part of your
(45:45):
fiber and your being and and andyou know that that's what you
wanted to experience.
And so, even though the, eventhough the journey is difficult,
you still have this innerknowing.
You still have this innerknowing if you're in language
(46:08):
with your intuition and your,your guides and yourself.
Even though the journey isdifficult or uncomfortable, you
know like you'd like, like youknow it's just a knowing that
I'm still supposed to be here.
It's not time for me to ejectout of this, or I am supposed to
do this, and whatever comes outof it or whatever comes out on
(46:31):
the other end, is what I signedup for.
So sometimes the journey can bechallenging and it can be
difficult.
Okay.
Because you signed up to takethose more challenging journeys
for your growth and developmentokay I know that is probably not
helping the question around thehuman versus spiritual guidance
(46:58):
, and I mean essentially, if youwant to take it down a rabbit
hole, you can.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
We'll have to do that on a second podcast.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I mean whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
It matters not.
Well, I think this willdefinitely be turned into a
second podcast because I'm notdone with the subject yet, but
we're hitting our time limit forthe upload.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
It needs something Like I still feel like there's
some confusion out there on thehuman um versus spiritual aspect
, and I guess the note that Iwould leave everybody with is
you, you've got to first clarifythe definition of those two
(47:44):
things.
Okay.
And decide for yourself what isthe definition of human
interference and spiritualguidance.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
That would be the first place to start.
Yeah, that's kind of where I'mat, and the second step would be
to check into how it feels.
If it feels off from yournatural state of being, then
there's something more to lookat.
There's a belief, there's apattern, there's a habit.
If you have to stop and ask aquestion on anything you're
(48:21):
doing or any topic or any wordor anything, if there's ever a
question or a need to furtherjustify your experience in it,
then there's more to look at.
Because whenever you make adecision to do something, if
somebody asks you questionsabout it, you won't feel the
(48:42):
need to expound on it or justifyit.
You just know that it is whatyou're supposed to be doing and
it doesn't matter what anybodythinks.
It doesn't matter whatanybody's opinion is.
It just doesn't matter to youbecause you know that you're
doing what you're spirituallyguided to do.
If it's a human experience andyou're kind of going against
(49:06):
what you're being spirituallyguided to do, that's when the
monkey business comes in ofquestioning yourself Questions
will pop up or being worriedabout what they think.
When the girl asks why you picka different coffee every
(49:26):
morning, you will not feel theneed to even answer her.
You literally will grab yourcoffee, go sit down your table
and not even give her an answer.
you just won't even feel theneed to engage with her like
fair enough if it's somethingthat you're questioning within
(49:46):
yourself because it's not aspiritually guided journey and
it's more human, then what sheasks you will bother you and
you'll feel the need to justifyto her which is you actually
justifying to yourself, whyyou're doing what you're doing?
Sometimes we have conversationswith other people because we're
(50:08):
justifying to our own selves,because our voice is the biggest
programmer of our own minds andour own beliefs.
Okay.
And we need to hear what we haveto say, but sometimes we won't
listen unless we say it tosomebody else.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Fair enough.
I enjoy the assessment.
I like that Anyway.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I would start with those steps.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Real quick.
Dr Jenny's book's about to comeout Whoop, whoop.
Scripted from within.
It should be available forpre-sale on Amazon right now For
Dr Jenny.
Itop Scripted from within.
It should be available forpresale on Amazon right now for
Dr.
It's under a script, it'scalled scripted from within and,
uh, it's Dr Jenny's book on.
How would you describe yourbook?
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, I mean basically the topic that we're
talking about.
I take you through an entirejourney of understanding the
belief process, how it looks,what you can do about it, how to
work through it, how beliefs,patterns and programs literally
(51:17):
can muck it all up.
Muck it all up, how you canuntangle it and start living
life from a place of creatingyour reality rather than it
being on autopilot.
You begin to be the author ofyour own reality.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Was that a plug?
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
And writing your own story, rather than just living
on autopilot thinking thatthere's nothing that you can do
about it.
Okay, and writing your ownstory, rather than just living
on autopilot thinking thatthere's nothing that you can do
about it.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Nice, yeah, it is available for free order on
Amazon.
Nice.
And it should be completelyreleased tonight.
It's under $15 and it'sprobably the best $15 you ever
spent.
I would agree.
Of course you may be a littletonight.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
It's under $15, and it's probably the best $15
you'll ever spend.
I would agree.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Of course you may be a little biased, you wrote it.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
I'm a little particular.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
But anyway, scripted from within and I think we'll
put it on the website too, right?
I think we're going to linkthat.
We'll do a link on the websiteso you can click it directly
from the website atwwwthemerccentersorg.
That isM-E-R-C-C-E-N-T-E-R-Sorg.
(52:32):
Yeah, merck Centers, m-e-r-cCentersorg, right?
Also, don't forget to like,follow and share.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
And don't forget to ring that bell.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Thank you all for listening and have an awesome
day.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Love you.
We'll see you next time.
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