When Safety Becomes A Cage: Choosing Awareness Over Autopilot

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Some habits look like care until they start caring for you in all the wrong ways. We share how a rescue inhaler—once a lifeline after a lung infection—slipped into a daily ritual that quietly pushed blood pressure up, and how a simple moment in the sun cracked the code. This is a candid tour through subconscious programming, fear boxes we stash in the mind, and the chemistry that rewards autopilot even when it costs us peace.

We start with a clear definition of compartmentalization and why “never again” moments often hardwire protective behaviors. Then we map the exact sequence we used to unwind the loop: naming the original fear, attaching a different emotion to the memory, and taking physical steps to block the old cue while adding a frictionless replacement. You’ll hear how the “monkey mind” invents reasons and even symptoms to keep habits alive, why judgment freezes change, and how swapping right-versus-wrong for “Is this working now?” keeps you moving.

Along the way, we share quick, real-world ways to quiet the mind—five minutes of sun, a breath reset, a warm chair—and how external mirrors (a partner’s nudge, a stranger’s comment, a random ad) can be guides rather than threats. We close on perseverance and humility: finishing the last ten yards, celebrating the aha moment, and training your nervous system to log wins as strongly as it logs danger. If you’ve ever felt “fine” while something small ran the show, this conversation gives you tools to take the wheel back.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_03 (00:48):
Good morning, everybody.
Welcome back to the SpiritualGrind.
We are in studio and uh here tohelp you in every way we can.
Good morning, Dr.
Genie.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00):
Good morning.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
Sorry, we're having a catification issue here.
These cats always want to waittill we go recording and before
they move around and do stupidthings.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
I feel like they see the sign that says on air.
And it's like cue the crazy catbehavior.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
It's nuts.
But I guess it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
It is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
Like she just came over and made the biscuits on
your lap and then walked off.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Right.
Yeah.
For no reason.
They see that we have a littlesquare box and it says on air
and it lights up.
And James always pushes thebutton to turn it on so we know
we're on air.
That way I know to stop bumpingthe mic and get still and all of
that.
I feel like they look at thatdamn thing and they see when

(01:46):
it's on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47):
I think they do.
I think they, you know, I don'tcare what they say, cats speak
English.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
I definitely know that they understand time
without a watch and theyunderstand what we say.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58):
Seven o'clock, they're down there for their
candy bars.

SPEAKER_00 (02:01):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (02:02):
It could be raining, sunny, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
It does not matter.

SPEAKER_03 (02:06):
Even with the time chains, they know what seven
o'clock is.

SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
They do.

SPEAKER_03 (02:09):
It's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
They're jamming me up at five minutes till.

SPEAKER_03 (02:13):
They are subconsciously programmed.

SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Yeah, with the candy bars.

SPEAKER_03 (02:17):
With the candy bars.
Hmm.
Crazy.
Anyway, good morning.
How are you?
Are you ready for a topic of theafternoon?
It is good afternoon, actually.
It's one o'clock in Florida.

SPEAKER_00 (02:28):
I'm ready for the topic.

SPEAKER_03 (02:30):
Okay.
Because what we just talkedabout kind of falls into it.

SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Of course it does.

SPEAKER_03 (02:35):
The subconscious mind and how we program things
with how our subconscious mindgets programmed by our beliefs
and how it molds our processesand thought patterns into our
conscious world.

SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (02:54):
Pretty deep one.

SPEAKER_00 (02:54):
That sounds like a book.

SPEAKER_03 (02:56):
It almost does.

SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
Things that make you go.

SPEAKER_03 (03:01):
So like here's the example I want to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 (03:03):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (03:04):
Like for me, I've been having some blood pressure
things go on.
And many years ago I had a lunginfection.
I'll tell them you know thestory, but I'm gonna tell them
you know, and I I was ended uphospitalized because I had a
pretty really bad lunginfection.
And uh this was back in like2004, 2005, I don't even
remember.
Ten years ago.

(03:25):
And I left there from a oh, Iwas removing VCT tile with a
chipper without wearing a facemask.
Ended up with a really bad Ithought it was black mold.
No, no, it wasn't black mold.
It was uh well, they don't know.
They they don't know at the timeblack mold tests weren't
available for the lungs.
Um so I don't know now, but uhanyway, so I ended up in the

(03:47):
hospital for like forty-two daysor something, it was insane.
Um, and I ended up leaving therewith a um rescue inhaler and a
nebulizer, and was told that I'dlost some of my lung function in
my left lung.
And yada yada yada whoop-de-woo.
And now we've been going throughhere recently, we've been, you

(04:09):
know, about three years ago westarted going through some
exposure stuff again, and I washaving some health issues, and I
started relying on my nebulizer.
Or on my rescue inhaler.

SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
Like I was literally taking it two, three times a day
for a minute.
And well subconsciously Ithought I was doing the right
thing until today.
Ding because my blood pressurebulb.
My blood pressure comes up andmy bottom number's like staying
pretty elevated, you know, canconsidering the textbook.

(04:43):
You know, I don't I don't feelbad.

SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
Well, considering your baseline.

SPEAKER_03 (04:46):
Right, considering I'm only one ten over seventy
guy.
The part of it that I wassitting in my chair getting my
morning sunbathing done, becauseI love to sunbathe, and it came
in my head because Dr.
Jenny and I have been talkingabout this all morning about
herbal stuff, and I feel likeit's not affecting anything, not
helping anything, blah blahblah.

(05:07):
And when I had the initialexposure, I wasn't using my
inhaler.
And so the herbal things wereworking.
But I was sitting in my chairand I was like, what the heck is
going on?
And then that little voice in myhead says, Hey, dumbass, you're
using your rescue inhaler toomuch.

(05:28):
I was like, Oh son of a bitch.
So what do I do?
I Google Doc it And I'll bedamned if it doesn't say that
overuse of albuterol rescueinhaler will raise your
diastolic blood pressure number,which is what's raised on mine.
I mean, I would say what'selevated on mine, and and if

(05:49):
it's elevated quite a bit, it'llactually raise your top number,
which is diastolic is the bottomnumber.
And I was like, Well, son of abiscuit eater.
And so I'm sitting there.

SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
Well, first you had asked me the question.

SPEAKER_03 (06:01):
Yeah, I turned to you and it's like, is this true?

SPEAKER_00 (06:03):
Because you know, no, you would ask you'd asked me
prior to that.
And I was like, of course itcan.
We've had this conversation.

SPEAKER_03 (06:09):
And so I use Chat GPT and I I GTF that stuff.
And I'd be dang, you know, itit's because I have been
overusing it.
I've literally been using itevery day.

SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
Right.
I mean, I kind of think it'sbecome a little bit of a habit.

SPEAKER_03 (06:25):
And I was doing it because when I was being exposed
to the mold before, it it Ineeded it because it was
affecting me, my bronchioles.
Yeah, but then it became ahabit.

SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (06:35):
Like I got to where I go to bed at night, I lay down
the bed, I hit the inhaler twicebefore I even go to sleep for no
reason.

SPEAKER_00 (06:41):
Right.
It's just part of your bedtimeritual for sure.

SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (06:46):
And then part of your daytime lifestyle.
Right.
Like you don't go anywherewithout that in your pocket.
I'm like, hmm.
And for years.

SPEAKER_03 (06:56):
For many years, I never even carried that thing
with me.

SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
Oh, I know.
Like never even used it.

SPEAKER_03 (07:01):
Yeah, for I mean, I don't remember.
There was a point from like 2008until probably 20.
Well, it may have been longerthan that.
2019, maybe?
Before I before what's your facewhen I had that really bad
bronchial infection.

SPEAKER_00 (07:15):
I it was it was probably 2017 when you got that
winter cold that was a reallybad infection.
And we had to put you back onyour nebulizer and your rescue
inhaler.

SPEAKER_03 (07:28):
That was in Arkansas.
But anyway, so I had to stillthat's a long time.
I and so I went back and checkedin, and I remember my when I was
in the hospital and when theywere doing respiratory therapy
on me, trying to get my lungsfunction back.
She's told me that when you whenyou feel you're like you can't
get enough air or whatever touse that.
And so that subconsciously wentinto my mind because you know

(07:51):
that was a scary situation, so Ihad a fear that created the
subconscious belief.
And so here I am into this newexposure thing now, you know,
fast forward to this time.
But I wasn't feeling restricted,but because it was breathing, it
was a subconscious programming.

SPEAKER_00 (08:06):
Right.
So in your mind, maybe you sortof like said, I don't ever want
to feel that way again becauseit was scary.
That's right.
Let me head it off at the past.
I'll take this uh rescue inhalerso I never have to feel that.

SPEAKER_03 (08:25):
That's exactly how I was thinking.
Exactly.
Was hey, you know, um, I'llremove this, I'll I'll do this
and get rid of this phlegm so itdon't go into my lungs out of
fear that I hadcompartmentalized.

SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (08:37):
And so when I compartmentalize it and I and I
bring it forward now out of thatcompartmentalized fear, I was
doing this habit and I createdthis habit, which is a very not
good habit.
So if you all have a rescueinhaler, don't do that.

SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
Well, you follow the advice of your doctor, not Dr.
James.

SPEAKER_03 (08:59):
Right, I agree.
But the part of it that I wantto bring everybody's attention
is how we compartmentalize thosethings and how we can create a
conscious habit.

SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
Yeah, that's called programming.

SPEAKER_03 (09:12):
Programming, that's right.
And so now here I am, I do thisGoogle Doc this morning, and of
course, when I have the thesmartest person in the world
sitting across from me, I stillwill have this tendency to do
chat GPT and Google that stuff.
GTS man.

SPEAKER_00 (09:27):
That's okay.
I give you space to get a secondopinion, as I do everybody.

SPEAKER_03 (09:32):
And so I I and it says, yeah, you you can raise
your blood pressure, but all youhave to do is stop it.

SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (09:39):
And and it we it could you know, it says it could
take up like ten days, you know,but I I don't necessarily own
into that before your bodystarts rebalancing again.
Right.
Because it literally the rescueinhaler puts your body into that
f fight or flight, which makesit drop cortisol.

SPEAKER_00 (09:57):
So then my question to you would be for the folks
listening, when you're gonnastop a habitual behavior, right?
How do you do that?

SPEAKER_03 (10:11):
Well, I'm gonna tell you, I I've never had the
problem with stopping somethingI want to stop.
You have to release thecompartment, the compartment.
You have to bring everything outof the closet and say, you know
what, you're an idiot.
I'm an idiot.
I I know what what caused thisaction.
And I just opened the closetdoor and let the demons out and
be like, okay, so what happened?
Why did I do this?

(10:32):
And it was a fear.
I was scared, I didn't want thatagain.
That was a very scary moment inmy life.

SPEAKER_06 (10:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (10:36):
I mean, I literally thought I was gonna die.

SPEAKER_00 (10:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (10:38):
And they did too at one point.

SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (10:41):
Because they put me in ICU as soon as I checked in
because my bloodlocks was likeway low.
I don't remember what I'msaying.

SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
Oh my god, not ICU.

SPEAKER_03 (10:46):
I know, right?

SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
That's where people go to die is in ICU.

SPEAKER_03 (10:49):
I know, right?
That's exactly what I thought.
And it was uh it was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (10:55):
Let me share something.
If med surge is full, they'llput you in ICU.
Then they don't have any beds inMedSurge, you get to go to ICU.
Oh, I'm so excited.
And so sometimes ICU is just anoverflow, and you get to go in
the little corner over on theright hand side in the overflow

(11:17):
part of that because med surgeis full.
It doesn't mean you're dying.
It doesn't mean you're gonna endup on some machine.
It just means that you havecommon stomach flu and there's
just no beds on medsurch.

SPEAKER_03 (11:30):
Okay, well, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (11:31):
But not to take away from your band.

SPEAKER_03 (11:34):
Well, you're kind of downplaying it.
I'm trying to show people theimportance of this.

SPEAKER_00 (11:42):
You're right.

SPEAKER_03 (11:42):
Well, in my bubble, it was a very serious time.
And because it's scary when theywere they're shoving tubes down
your throat and they'reAbsolutely.
And you know, there's like fourpeople in the room constantly
and watching my stats andeverything, and it it puts you
in a scary spot.
And so, but I compartmentalizethat.

SPEAKER_00 (12:00):
And because I blocked me when you say
compartmentalize, what do youyou you're using that word a
lot?
And so for the listeners, whatdoes that mean exactly?

SPEAKER_03 (12:11):
Well, for do you compartmentalize something?
It means your subconscious mindblocks it from your conscious
thought because it was atraumatic situation or other
situations.

SPEAKER_00 (12:21):
I see.
So what you mean by that is youkind of put it in a box And you
hide it.
And and kind of hit it away.

SPEAKER_03 (12:29):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (12:30):
I see.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (12:31):
And so the this when I was sitting out there this
morning after we and I had thatconversation, and that voice in
my head is saying this, and thenI I Google it, I made it made me
rip open the door and be like,oh my god, you're an idiot.
Because I don't want to I mean,I don't even feel bad, but my
blood pressure is up.

SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (12:49):
And so why is that?
And Chat GPT and them gave meall the freaking explanation
because, yeah, you're right.
You don't feel bad because whatyou're doing is putting your
hormonal system into a systemthat creates a good feeling.

SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
Yeah, you're kind of putting it in overdrive.

SPEAKER_03 (13:07):
Right, putting it in constant overdrive where it's
constantly doing something.

SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
Okay.
So back to the question of whatphysical actions does one take
when they want to reprogram ahabit that's that's gone into
place.

SPEAKER_03 (13:20):
Well, you have to bring the things out of the
closet.
That's you know, that's where Istarted that.
Awareness.
Awareness.
Yes.
I had to bring I had to bringeverything in the closet.
I had to put it on the table andsay, you know what?
You're an idiot.
Basically, and and I I don'tmean you have to call yourself
an idiot.
I what I mean is is you have torecognize your part of what you
did wrong and own it.

SPEAKER_00 (13:41):
And want to change.

SPEAKER_03 (13:43):
And yeah, oh, totally.
I I mean, it wasn't the factthat I wanted to change what I
was doing, it's the fact that Iwanted to feel better, which
encouraged me to change what Iwas doing.

SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
Right.
But you still, no matter whatthe topic is, wanting it to be
different, right, and thenbringing things out into the
awareness so they can't hide inthe crevices of the subconscious
mind.

SPEAKER_03 (14:07):
Right.
They will, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
Would be probably the first primary and secondary
steps.

SPEAKER_03 (14:12):
I would agree.
I would agree.
And so, because what happens ifyou don't?
If you have something that comesup, like I could have ignored
that statement.
And so I went into my closet, Iopened the door, and then I
bring it to my reality out of awant to be better.
I want to do something differentbecause this obviously is not
working.

SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
And by bringing it out of your closet, what you
mean is that you went back tothat moment in time where the
fear started and relived thatsituation and did kind of a
comparison of what's going onnow.
Redefine things, redefinedthings, updated definitions,
right?
Um, and got clear about okay,that event happened and I'm

(14:55):
ready to do it.

SPEAKER_05 (14:56):
I live through it, I'm strong enough to live
through it.

SPEAKER_00 (14:58):
Right.
But what habits am I currentlyhanging on to because of that to
prevent it from ever happeningagain?

SPEAKER_03 (15:05):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (15:05):
Kind of thought process.

SPEAKER_03 (15:07):
Right.
Because because here's what thehuman body does when they
compartmentalize those kind ofthings is they actually end up
creating more compartments.
You you will start tell me more.
So, like uh like me, I was inthe process of creating another
c uh compartment of oh my god,I've got high blood pressure,
I'm gonna be on high bloodpressure medicine the rest of my
life.
And and so I was creatinganother figure that I was gonna

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compartmentalize.

SPEAKER_00 (15:30):
A whole nother little box.

SPEAKER_03 (15:31):
Right.
So you're lying, yoursubconscious mind is lying to
yourself.
Uh and so you continuouslycreate these lies until you get
so you're so stinking caught upin all of it that you can't keep
your compartments full or youcan't keep them hid back
anymore.

SPEAKER_00 (15:46):
Straight.
Uh right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (15:48):
And so it just causes more confusion.

SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Very entangled.

SPEAKER_03 (15:52):
It can become very, very entangled.
When I come to the point thismorning of like I I almost felt
an emotional response to it,like, I'm you know, why would
you do this to yourself?
You know, like oh my gosh, youknow, you're you're why?
And so that's the big questionfor people when they open their
compartment.

(16:12):
Is why is why did I do this?

SPEAKER_00 (16:14):
Okay.
Well, I mean, we can definitelybreak that down.

SPEAKER_03 (16:18):
Right, and that's what I think we need to do, and
that's what um an understandingthat a fear, a trauma, traumatic
experience, and those kind ofthings, that if you can't
completely remember the detailsof it, and here's a clue.
Because when I first opened thatdoor, I'm like, I'm not doing
nothing wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
Opened what door?

SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
When I opened that door to that compartment of the
fear from when I was in thehospital.
Okay.
To look at those memories, I'mnot doing nothing wrong.
I'm gonna look through it justto prove I'm not doing nothing
wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
I gotcha.
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (16:48):
And it created that little bit of an emotional
response of you're an idiot, youknow, that kind of things.

SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
An idiot to you?

SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
Yes, to myself.

SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
Or uh these people giving me this information or
not.

SPEAKER_03 (16:59):
The subconscious, the that little voice in my
head, I was responding to ithumanly.
It's like, you're an idiot.
I'm not doing nothing wrong.
Until I until I ran through it.
And that's what we do toourselves.
Um, we will tell ourselves liesto make ourselves feel better,
and we'll block out the reality.
And here's one way to tell thatyou have something

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compartmentalized if you canthink back on a memory like I
just did a minute ago and say tomyself, I didn't do nothing
wrong, you're probably hidingsomething.
There's something there that'snot coming out.
Because there's not an instancein this life anytime anywhere
that any human can stop and say,I have done nothing wrong in

(17:43):
this scenario.

SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
Yeah, you know, um the right or wrong thing
sometimes is not helpful.
Right.
It's self-criticizing, whichsometimes is not helpful, but
we'll go with it.

SPEAKER_04 (17:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (17:56):
Um it gives you an opportunity to say, come to that
place of right being thefeel-better place.

SPEAKER_05 (18:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
And um looking at that situation.

SPEAKER_03 (18:15):
I guess the point I was trying to get to was is you
have to be humble enough to sayI I this wouldn't have came to
my mind if there if I wasn'tdoing something right in it.
Or if I was if I wasn't doingsomething wrong in it.
And so it wouldn't have comethere.
That was my subconscious higherself saying, Hey, look at this.

SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
I understand.

SPEAKER_03 (18:33):
And being humble enough to say what's right and
what's wrong.
Not saying that there's adifference between right, right,
and wrong, but what I'm sayingis we as humans have a tendency
to log things that way.

SPEAKER_00 (18:44):
We do.
And you gotta be careful not toget tangled up in the right and
the wrong of everything andself-criticize yourself down
into a place of unworthiness oruh low confidence or low
self-esteem, right?
That's a good point becausethat's what I might think about.
Right.
Because if you're already aperson that does this
self-judgment,self-criticization uh place

(19:05):
where you don't have a very goodself-worth, yeah, then you're
already identifying everyshittin' ass thing as okay, I'm
a bad person.
I did that wrong, I did thiswrong, I did that wrong.
Yeah, and so I tend to not liketo keep feeding into that factor
of right and wrong.

SPEAKER_03 (19:26):
Understood.
Yeah, yeah, that's reallybecause that you know, and thank
you for sharing that becausethat's not something that I do
because I have an ego.
And I'm pretty sure I I I have ayou're confident.

SPEAKER_00 (19:35):
I am a very confident person, but you've
also been doing it doing yourprocess for years, which built
that confidence up.

SPEAKER_03 (19:42):
100%.

SPEAKER_00 (19:43):
And for newbies or for people who are not there
yet, the right and wrongmentality can get them tangled
up.

SPEAKER_03 (19:52):
Yes, I I agree, and I'm glad thank you for putting
that in there because that's notsomething I think about.

SPEAKER_00 (19:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
Um, I just know that whatever I want to do, I can do.

SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
And so instead of saying right or wrong, it might
be more beneficial for those tosay, uh this is not working
anymore, or this is not workingright now.
I gotta look at it again or lookat it initially to see what's
gonna work now.

SPEAKER_05 (20:18):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (20:19):
Where am I at now?
I want change, so what do I haveto look at to bring about
change?

SPEAKER_03 (20:26):
Right.
Because there's some people likeme, I'm an investigative guy.
You know, you and I had thisconversation this morning.
Because there are some peoplethat are not investigative.

SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
That's right.

SPEAKER_03 (20:34):
And for me, it me thinking about the right or
wrong, it's not about thatreally, because I don't focus on
it much.

SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (20:40):
What I do focus on is why.

SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
The why.

SPEAKER_03 (20:44):
Yeah, and there you're right.
There are people out there thatif they have a problem with
self-worth, that'll that theright or wrong shouldn't come
up.

SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
Right.
It can just tangle them up.
So we got to give peoplemultiple ways of looking at it.
I agree.
I agree.
And so, you know, for those thatare still working on their
self-worth and scoldingthemselves for, oh my God, I did
it wrong, you have to rememberthat anything and everything
that you experience along yourpath was experienced because it

(21:12):
was for your benefit of learningand expansion.
Yes.
Not because it was the wrongchoice, even if it was a hard
choice, it still served apurpose that was beneficial.

SPEAKER_03 (21:26):
Totally agree.

SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
And so that's why I tend not to lean into the right
or wrong.
However, we digress and let'sget back on topic.

SPEAKER_03 (21:33):
Get back on topic.
And so so I go through this thismorning, and and I come to the
realization of, okay, so yeah,that wasn't obviously not
working.

SPEAKER_02 (21:43):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (21:43):
And so now what did work in the past should work
again.
And and I and I just I I came tothat I guess calm place of okay,
I can fix this now.

SPEAKER_00 (21:56):
Yeah.
And which normally happens nomatter what the topic is.

SPEAKER_03 (22:00):
Yep, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 (22:00):
Once you get to the core of the whole investigative
process, whatever that lookslike, you can then align with
the frequency of the solution.

SPEAKER_03 (22:12):
Correct.
And that's exactly what happenedthis morning.

SPEAKER_00 (22:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:15):
And and and so through the research of a lot of
the things, because I'm a Y guy,I like the Y's.

SPEAKER_06 (22:21):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (22:21):
You know, I've discovered that why I feel like
I'm needing these differentvitamins and supplements and
herbal things is because my bodyis using them.

unknown (22:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:29):
Because of the constant raised height.
And being able to stop and lookat yourself when you come when
you have a fear or a traumaticresponse to something, i is so
big.

SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
It is.

SPEAKER_03 (22:42):
Because I mean, don't get me wrong.
I w you know, I went through theemotional ladder in all of this
quite a bit.

SPEAKER_00 (22:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:51):
And emotions are part of it.
Even to the part of being mad atmyself.

SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
Well, or even just being mad at the concept of
having the blood pressure issue.

SPEAKER_03 (23:00):
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, we even you and I eventalked about the stuff my mom
told me when I was younger andhow I had disposed of heart
issue, and blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.

SPEAKER_00 (23:08):
Yeah, you have you've got to take your little
imaginary shuffle.
Yep.
And you just gotta start pullingaway the dig at digging at it
and pulling away the dirt onelittle layer at a time, like a
archaeologist does when theyfind that new city, you know,
slowly, quickly, whatever yourpace is, and that's that's what

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we do with the clients.

SPEAKER_03 (23:31):
Totally agree.

SPEAKER_00 (23:32):
You gotta dig it up, and sometimes you gotta go
digging fast and hard, sometimesyou go slow, sometimes I mean So
what I did when I dug all thisup this morning, and this is a a
good way, you know, I had thismemory of when I was I got
really sick, and I had attachedan emotion to it that made my

(23:52):
subconscious mind bury it.

SPEAKER_03 (23:54):
And that was fear.

SPEAKER_00 (23:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:56):
And fear will get buried a lot in people, and w
what you have to do is bring itup and attach a different
emotion to it.

SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (24:05):
So you can see it clearly.

SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
That's right.
You know, like fear has avibration, right, and it's a
heavy vibration, and it won'talign with the solution, and it
won't align with the uh higherself information that's given to
you at all times, right, becauseit lowers your frequency.

SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
Like when we work with people sometimes, you know,
like especially in a couplesituation, on the one where
there's always one person that'sa blamer and one person that's a
receiver.

SPEAKER_01 (24:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:33):
And when the person that's the receiver generally
will sit back and just get beatup and from their perspective.
From their perspective, becauseand then they'll uh tag an
emotion to it that they're doingsomething wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (24:47):
And so it's or they'll tag an emotion to it
that's uh I'm pissed off, whyare y'all fucking ganging up on
me bullshit?

SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
Yes, completely.
And so you you have to look atit from a different standpoint
because and bring those thingsup to yourself, bring them up to
yourself, and then just trythis.
Because this is what I did thismorning.
Instead of me having the fear ofwhat's going on, I tag the
emotion to the other side of thespectrum of happy that I just

(25:16):
figured out what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (25:18):
And it's okay, and it because that's the key to it.
We always talk about this iswhen it's okay to stay, it's
okay to go.
You have to have balance.

SPEAKER_01 (25:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:26):
And when when you're hiding things from yourself and
not looking at them, and thenbecause of that emotional
compartmental, you know, thecompartmental space, changing
that emotion to it will helpyou.

SPEAKER_00 (25:40):
Absolutely.
Stop and have an internal party.

SPEAKER_03 (25:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:44):
Every time you accomplish something beneficial,
when you get to the root of whatis causing all the ruckus, and
you finally have that feelingover exaggerated, because what
that does is it trains yourbody, right?
It trains your mind to recognizethe good things as easily as we

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recognize the bad things.
Because as an as a species andas a collective, way back in
caveman era, we have a fight orflight process and system in
place.
So we we're trained to findthose things that are gonna harm

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us or end life.

SPEAKER_02 (26:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
Well, unfortunately, we bring those into our
day-to-day activity, and so weare very, I guess, attuned to
being able to find the crapthat's gonna hurt us, right, and
the negative stuff that doesn'tfeel good, right?
Those things are very easy todefine, right?

(26:53):
But a large percentage, and I'llgo out on the limb and say that
if I did analytical studies, itwould probably be in the 85 to
90 percentile of people who arenot consciously in an aware
state logging the good times,right?
The feel-good places, right, andso consciously make a big deal

(27:18):
out of those achievements andthose milestones.

SPEAKER_03 (27:21):
Totally good.

SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
When you get to the seat of the problem, stop and
have a little imaginary party inyour head where I mean, this is
what I do.
Yeah, my cells, my body, myguides, we stop and we kind of
like have a little jam andparty.
Put your hand in the air.

SPEAKER_03 (27:41):
Leave them like you just don't care.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (27:44):
And that overaccentuates the good.

SPEAKER_03 (27:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
So that it gets to have a viable place in your
reality and you becomeconsciously aware of the good
things as well.

SPEAKER_03 (27:56):
Right.
I totally agree with you.
You know, I think another partof this is when we like for me
this morning, when we open doorsto things that we don't like,
you have to change your mindseta little bit because your humans
gonna bring out all the anger,the despair, the those things of

(28:19):
of being mad at yourself orbeing mad at the world or being
mad at other people.

SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
About what?

SPEAKER_03 (28:24):
When you open your compartments.
When you open the box, yes, whenyou open the box and you're and
you unleash that fear that'shidden and you attach a new
emotion to it, you'll have atendency to create another
emotion of being mad that you ithappened in the first place.

SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
That the box got open.

SPEAKER_03 (28:40):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
Right.
That's because that let me keepyou safe part of you thinks it's
doing a good job by keeping itin the box.
And if you go rip the box opento deal with it, that other
aspect of yourself, that littlemonkey mind aspect of yourself
is doing everything it thinks itneeds to do and is supposed to

(29:05):
do to keep you safe.

SPEAKER_02 (29:07):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
And so for a minute it's gonna fight up against you
and it's gonna say, Okay,dumbass, I had this stuffed away
so we didn't have to deal withit.
What the hell are you doing?
Opening the damn box, put itback.
If you open this, that meansthat, oh my God, if you like,
for example, if someone hasdoubt, if if you have doubt

(29:29):
about something that you aren'tsure if it's gonna work or if
it's not, for example, and thisis a big one.
You keep the experience or youdon't go on the journey of
having the experience because itmay not work, you keep all that
boxed up because the monkey mindpart of you that's designed to

(29:50):
keep you safe and not have toexperience bad crap.
If you go out and you try it andit actually doesn't work, then
you've got to deal with that andexperience the yucky pain.

SPEAKER_06 (30:03):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (30:04):
Whereas if you don't go out and and experience it and
uh I, as your monkey mind, say,No, don't go try it.
It's scary, it's unknown.
It's a deep dungeon, then younever have to know that it did
or didn't work.
Right.
You can just pretend like itworked.

SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
And then you never have to know the true answer.

SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
Therefore, you never have to feel the feelings of my
God, it didn't work.
So let me go about thisdifferently or not at all.
You just get to always have thatproverbial consolation prize,
participation, bullshit prize.

SPEAKER_03 (30:37):
Yes.
And totally agree.

SPEAKER_00 (30:39):
And so that's why you bump up against your monkey
mind for a minute and it getspissed off that you open the
box.

SPEAKER_03 (30:45):
Right.
Yeah.
And so like this morning, it itit was so mad at me.
I was so mad at myself Icouldn't even remember some of
the stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:53):
Until I until I re attached a different emotion to
it.

SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
Because, you know, that's that's the job of the
subconscious mind.

SPEAKER_00 (31:00):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (31:00):
And like I was sitting there in my chair, I was
enjoying myself.
I took a deep breath and I'mlike, you know what?
It's all okay.
You know what?
Let's forget this.
It's okay.
I'm not going to be mad atmyself.
Let's just figure this out.

SPEAKER_00 (31:12):
And you went almost into kind of a meditative place
in your own way by going andsitting in your little chair,
getting under the sun, just kindof letting everything go, just
sitting there focusing on theenjoyment of having the sun
because you enjoy that as well.

SPEAKER_03 (31:29):
I do enjoy the sun.

SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
And that let you actually go into a quiet
meditative place almost.

SPEAKER_03 (31:37):
Yeah, it let me remove the fear out of the way.

SPEAKER_00 (31:39):
Yeah.
And that's where And I bringthat up because that could be a
technique that one would use ifyou were looking for new ways or
techniques.

SPEAKER_06 (31:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:49):
When we say go into a quiet space and try to clear
your mind, it can look likeanything.
Right.
It can be in a patio chairsitting in the sun in your
skivvies, taking in the sun.

SPEAKER_01 (32:01):
You head shorts on.

SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
I was just making it funny.
That could be your type ofmeditation.
Meditation doesn't have to bethat you're sitting in folded
leg, folded arm position, tryingto, you know, do all this,
what's out there as a visualmeditation.
Right.
It can literally look likeanything for you sitting in the

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sun, focusing on how the sunmakes you feel, and changing
your focus from being angry tobeing in that enjoyable state of
being, which was tiny.

SPEAKER_03 (32:36):
It's frustrating, man.
When you can't frustrating, itis.

SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
And I'm going in a particular place.
You don't have to do this bighoopla to do.
Right.
Go get the yoga mad, do thiswhole fucking 30-minute
meditation thing.
Find the most comfortable, happyplace that you can find in the
moment.
And in the moment of all thatruckus going on for you, you
just said, Well, you know what?

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I'm going to enjoy the sun.

SPEAKER_05 (33:01):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
I'm just going to change my focus.
I'm going to go to a happy spot.
And that happy spot was you.
I look, I think maybe you weresat there maybe five, seven
minutes.
It wasn't even that long.

SPEAKER_04 (33:12):
Yeah, it wasn't very long.

SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
But because you changed your focus, you focused
in on how good the sun feels,how good it feels to sit in that
chair.
That's a type of meditativestate.
And it didn't take very longonce you found the frequency of
that feel-good energy.

SPEAKER_03 (33:26):
I just quiet my mind.
That's right.
I just quiet the mind.

SPEAKER_00 (33:28):
It was easier to quiet the mind because you found
that feel-good energy.
Yep.
And then when you quiet the mindand you find that feel-good
energy, it raises your frequencyto be able to align to the
answers and the informationcoming in.
That's what I wanted to expressto the listeners.

SPEAKER_03 (33:47):
No, I totally agree.

SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
That is a technique.

SPEAKER_03 (33:49):
You know, a lot of people use sound therapy and
those kind of things, but youdon't have to.
You know, everybody thinks ithas to look this way and this
way and this way.
Right.
And I got news for youmetaphysical activity and
holistic activity does not lookany one way for every everybody.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (34:03):
Everybody has their own tools, their own modalities.
There is no right or wrong way.

SPEAKER_03 (34:08):
Like for me, I like to work with my hands in the
sun.
You know, and that's a that's avery big um place for me to
really put in put to get deepinto thought about things.
And it's I've always been thatway.

SPEAKER_01 (34:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:24):
And for you, it's a different place.
You like to be in a quiet areawhere you're warm and
comfortable.

SPEAKER_00 (34:28):
It depends on what I'm doing.
Yeah.
And it depends on how heavy thefrequency is.
Sometimes I just want to go sitin my space and hold my selenite
ball.

SPEAKER_03 (34:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (34:39):
You know, sometimes I gotta go there with it.

SPEAKER_03 (34:41):
Right, like the conversation we had at the bank
yesterday with the guy.

unknown (34:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:44):
You know, he's wanting to know how to quiet his
mind better.

SPEAKER_00 (34:46):
And and you gotta try different things.

SPEAKER_03 (34:49):
And he's I just can't get there.
Did you hear him say that twice?

SPEAKER_00 (34:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:52):
Well, you can't get there because you have that
thought.
You just have to you you can'tsay I can't.
You have to say I can.
I can get there.

SPEAKER_00 (34:58):
And you gotta be easy about it.
And what I mean easy about it istry this.
If that doesn't work, then trysomething different.

SPEAKER_02 (35:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:07):
If that doesn't work, don't beat yourself up
about it.
Just try something different.

SPEAKER_02 (35:12):
Yes, totally.

SPEAKER_00 (35:13):
Like with meditation.
If the traditional way ofmeditating is not working for
you, then stop trying it.
It's not working.
Something different.

SPEAKER_03 (35:22):
I'm having a brain fart.
Jeff.
Jeff.
Jeff, if you listen to this.

SPEAKER_00 (35:26):
You always want to put everybody's name out there,
and they may not want theirname.

SPEAKER_03 (35:30):
They don't know where he is, but I didn't say
the name of the bank.
But uh, Jeff, if you're outthere listening, because I know
you took our stuff, if you'regonna hear this podcast, hey, we
appreciate your interaction.
I'm gonna tell you, it wasrefreshing to hear you talk
about your daughter.

SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (35:43):
It was really a a good conversation.

SPEAKER_00 (35:45):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (35:45):
And Mad props to you for trying to figure out a way
to find those connections withher.
It was kind of cool.
That's right.
It was a cool conversation.

SPEAKER_00 (35:52):
Sure.

SPEAKER_03 (35:53):
To move on to the next topic within this is what
do you do when you know becausemy situation was is I didn't
feel bad.
You woke up one morning andsaid, Hey, your blood pressure
is high.

SPEAKER_00 (36:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (36:09):
What do you do when somebody else brings it to your
reality?
Because that caused frustrationwithin me.

SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
Explain the fact that I brought it to your
reality caused frustration.

SPEAKER_03 (36:18):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (36:19):
And so if I would have just kept it to myself, you
would be none the wiser and youwouldn't be having to go through
this.

SPEAKER_03 (36:25):
That's what well, yeah, it's a subconscious
thought.
Yeah, that's it's a consciousthought, not a subconscious
thought that that be like, Iwouldn't be dealing with this, I
wouldn't even know.
But then in reality, I need toknow.

SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
But you do.

SPEAKER_03 (36:36):
But the the whole point of it is is what happens,
what do you do when somebodyelse brings one of your
compartments to the surface likethat?
Because I thought I was donewith that scenario.
You know, and it did create afrustration within me.
And yeah, I mean, which itdidn't take me long to clear it,
but it still did.
It brought it to my surface andit brought it to my awareness,

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and now I'm like, golly.
Okay, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (37:00):
Well, you know, by design, that's how this whole
mechanism works.

SPEAKER_04 (37:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
We are put here as each other's characters in their
play to mirror to them thethings that are ready to come
up.

SPEAKER_04 (37:17):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
And it can be by actions, it can be by
conversation, it can be bybehavior, it can be by anything.
And so, therefore, that's why Ilike to teach people don't take
everything literal and at facevalue, look at the symbology.
Just because this person isacting like a booty head, what

(37:39):
are they mirroring back to youthat may be ready to come up?
Right.
But with you, because we are uhso practiced in what we do, I
know that I can come to you whenI get an intellect uh an
intuitive nudge.
Yeah, I know that I can come toyou, and whether you're gonna
like it or whether you're not, Ican say to you, okay, you gotta

(38:03):
check your blood pressure.
Yeah.
But as the receiver of that, itcould be that you got that
intuitive nudge from a completestranger, a book on a shelf, a
commercial on the TV, a moviesnippet, right?
That information's gonna comefrom somewhere when you need to

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hear it.

SPEAKER_03 (38:25):
And it gets louder and louder if you don't hear it.

SPEAKER_00 (38:27):
And it means that it and it's always gonna come
because spirit always has yourback.
And so being able to look atyour environment as it's not
happening to me, it's happeningfor me for my elevation and my
growth.
And so I was just the vehiclethat brought you that

(38:48):
information for the listener'sbenefit.
And so looking at your worldfrom that perspective will help
you deal with the frustrations.
God, if that person had just notsaid anything, this wouldn't
have drugged this up for me, andI would be able to be blissfully
blind and not having to bedealing with all of these things

(39:11):
that I put in this box.

SPEAKER_04 (39:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (39:13):
But if you've gone along in your reality and you've
ever said the statement of, ohGod, I'm so tired of this.
I want it to be different.

SPEAKER_05 (39:24):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
The universe says, Okie dokie.
Here's your sign.
Here we go.
Step in the saddle of theroadie.

SPEAKER_03 (39:36):
But you know, it can be hard when someone something
else brings it to your realitythat's not you.

SPEAKER_00 (39:40):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
I mean, it can be a tough road, it can it can create
anger and frustration and atthat person, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:46):
At that person, because if you hadn't done this
to me, I would be living thisbullshit right now.

SPEAKER_02 (39:53):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (39:53):
You go into victim mode.
Yes, and if you're not careful,you can hang out there for quite
some time and you can be mad atthat person, and it can actually
deteriorate the relationship.
Totally.
And and even possibly sever therelationship altogether.

SPEAKER_03 (40:08):
Totally agree.

SPEAKER_00 (40:10):
And so that can bring about an a further
entanglement of taking you downthe uh grief process of having
lost the friend, but it canalso, as the giver of the
information, it can put them ina place of gosh, I should I
should have just kept my mouthshut.
Yeah.
Now I've lost a good friend, andthey have to go through that uh

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other side of the coin of thatbeing the giver of the
information, especially if itcomes from a relationship that
is a good friend or a spouse ornot just a complete stranger.

SPEAKER_03 (40:44):
And sometimes it sucks, man.
I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_00 (40:46):
You know, shadow work is not.

SPEAKER_03 (40:48):
Yeah, and that's what that's what they always
say.
And sometimes it can put you ina place of I'm getting picked
on, or or anything, it puts youin all these weird places.
And you just got to understandthat if the other person didn't
care, they wouldn't they theywouldn't even come to you.
They wouldn't even know you.

SPEAKER_00 (41:07):
Well, I mean that that's that's absolutely true,
especially if it's an intimaterelationship or a close
relationship.

SPEAKER_04 (41:15):
Totally.

SPEAKER_00 (41:16):
They wouldn't have but if it's a complete stranger
um who gets to just come throughand give you the information and
then be on their way and younever see them again.

SPEAKER_03 (41:26):
Like the guy at the parking lot.

SPEAKER_00 (41:27):
It's kind of hard to digest.

SPEAKER_03 (41:28):
Yeah, like the guy in the parking lot that day that
walked up to us and said thatrandom.
I don't remember what he said,but we were both like, what the
heck was that?

SPEAKER_00 (41:35):
Right.
We have that happen.

SPEAKER_03 (41:37):
Yeah, a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (41:38):
Um and so in those situations, you you know that
your situation is not fix fixingto affect him.

SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
Ficking it.

SPEAKER_00 (41:47):
And he doesn't necessarily care what you're
doing about it.
Right.
And so the information will andsometimes does come from
resources that are not intimaterelationships.
Right.
But it's higher self bringingyou the information in the in
the way that higher self knowsit will stick and that you'll

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hear it and that you'll log it.
And sometimes sometimes it hasto be weird.

SPEAKER_03 (42:17):
Yeah, it's just not fun sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
No, sometimes it is not fun.

SPEAKER_03 (42:21):
Yeah.
But you know, the I think thething that should be
communicated is at the end ofall of it.
You know, like today, now thatthis is done and we have kind of
figured it out, and I'm nowgonna work through the processes
of getting everything right, isuh how it feels afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 (42:38):
So before we go there, let's touch on the action
steps of regenerating a newhabit.

SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (42:46):
Because if you continue, so even if you've
found the seed and you've gotthis beautiful epiphenal moment
that feels amazing, if you don'tstop the habit, subconscious
habit, habits are things thatjust run subconsciously, right?
You will you could find yourselfreaching.

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So for you, let's give anexample.

SPEAKER_04 (43:13):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
Yours is using your rescue inhaler.
If you don't regenerate a newhabit subconsciously, you're
going through your day, you'redistracted by all the different
things in the day, and you reachfor your inhaler because you
have a habit to go reaching forit for whatever triggers that

(43:35):
habit, right?
Then next thing you know, you'reback into that habit and you
didn't even realize you weredoing it.

SPEAKER_04 (43:43):
Right.
I totally agree.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:45):
So what I'm saying is, is before we go and we party
in the feel-good moment of it,we gotta set a new habit in
place.

SPEAKER_03 (43:52):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (43:53):
And if that means like for you, taking the inhaler
out of your pocket, I gave it toyou, put it in the cabinet,
yeah, put it in your wife'spossession so that you can tend
to it.

SPEAKER_03 (44:06):
Because if I need it, need it because it is it's
there for a reason.
And so if I need it, I just giveit to her.
But I do want to say somethingstop the action, stop the
action, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:15):
Remove the thing out of your initial handy grasp
right and stop the action sothat you can create a new habit.

SPEAKER_03 (44:27):
Right, and ChatGPT said something, and you said
something too that really kindof rung a bell for me, and I
think that everybody needs tohear it.

SPEAKER_00 (44:33):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (44:34):
Is when you have a subconscious habit going on that
you don't even realize it'sgoing on.

SPEAKER_00 (44:39):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (44:40):
And then you try to break that habit or you change
that habit a little bit, thesubconscious mind will recreate
scenarios to make you do it.

SPEAKER_00 (44:50):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (44:51):
Like like Chad said, when the when the Yeah, and when
your body doesn't have it, it'llactually create the symptoms for
you to use it.

SPEAKER_00 (44:59):
That's right.

SPEAKER_03 (45:00):
I was like, what?

SPEAKER_00 (45:02):
That's right.

SPEAKER_03 (45:03):
And so, and that's that's a true statement.
We have a tendency, oursubconscious mind controls our
reality, and so it will create aspot to where I'm creating a
happy spot because that inhalerwas a was a safe spot for me.

SPEAKER_00 (45:15):
It's a comfy.

SPEAKER_03 (45:16):
It was a safe spot for me, it was comfy, and I knew
if I needed it, it was there.

SPEAKER_01 (45:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (45:20):
And instead of doing it the appropriate way, like
when I didn't take it all day,like yesterday.
Do you remember yesterday?
I got whatever it was, somethingirritated my sinus.
It's bad.
But then I got to thinking aboutit, where did they get irritated
at?

SPEAKER_00 (45:35):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (45:36):
And so I hadn't taken it all day yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 (45:39):
And you reached for it.

SPEAKER_03 (45:40):
And I reached for it and I took it.
And I took it, yeah, at the atthe bank.

SPEAKER_00 (45:43):
Because you were like, man, something in there
irritated my irritated mysinuses and whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (45:50):
Yeah, and it would and it was causing phlegm.
And so I was misidentifying, andthat's another thing your
subconscious mind will do.
You'll misidentify things tojustify what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 (46:00):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (46:01):
And that's what exactly what I did.
And and being humble enough totalk through the process with
yourself or with your loved one,like I do with you, I'm
benefited enough to have Dr.
Jenny in my house with me.

SPEAKER_00 (46:12):
And so anyone can have the benefit of the doctor.

SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
But everybody has chat GPT.
And if you don't believe that,chat GPT, what I just said,
because it they will tell youthat no matter what
subconscious, because I didafterwards.

SPEAKER_00 (46:23):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (46:24):
If you have a habit and you are not doing the habit,
your subconscious mind willrecreate the scenario to make
you do the habit.

SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:33):
And then blind it from you.

SPEAKER_00 (46:35):
Right.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (46:37):
And so that's what you know that you were talking
about that, and I thought thatneeded to be said because uh
some people just don'tunderstand why they have habits.
Like, you know, like we used todeal with the God bless his old
Philip, he passed away, but hehad a drug problem.

SPEAKER_00 (46:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:50):
And we brought him into our house and tried to make
him, you know, tried to get himoff drugs, and he was doing
really good for about a weekuntil his subconscious mind
created a uh a scenario thatwhere he reached out to an old
friend.

SPEAKER_00 (47:06):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (47:08):
Because he wasn't doing the feel-good thing.
Because when you do a feel-goodthing and you have habits like
that, your body creates thehormones and the chemicals in
your body that makes it feelgood.
And even just the thought of it.

SPEAKER_01 (47:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (47:19):
Like, uh, he felt like crap all the time.
Until the minute you gave himmoney and he would feel good.

SPEAKER_00 (47:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (47:28):
Because he's gonna go to his drug guy.

SPEAKER_00 (47:30):
Yeah.
Because the chemical drop was uhwas released when Payday came
and he had money in his hand andhe got to go and get his fix,
yeah.
Yeah, he was a heroin and but itdidn't have to be drugs.
Right.
It can be anything.
It could be shopping, it couldbe monsters, it could be soda

(47:51):
pop, or like the guy at thehorse track, you know, the horse
track betting.

SPEAKER_03 (47:55):
Yeah.
Right.
That one guy's like, oh, I spend$500 a day in here, and he was
bragging about it.
And that one lady's like, Areyou crazy?
But you know, it it's it doesbecause it creates those
chemicals.
And that's what it was doing forme.
Because I was thinking aboutthis morning.
I was like, I was doing this outof a security blanket to make me

(48:17):
feel good, which was giving methe chemical to make me feel
better, which was actuallyreciprocating the fight or
flight syndrome.

SPEAKER_00 (48:24):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (48:25):
And so long term, it's just it's recreating a
scenario where I had to do it.
Yeah, and it felt good when Idid it.
And so that's part of you knowthat kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 (48:39):
It felt sense, it felt good in a in a sense of
safety and security.

SPEAKER_03 (48:43):
Correct.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:45):
There's a little bit of difference.
I totally agree.
Yeah, I totally agree.
Because there's multipledifferent kinds of feel good.

SPEAKER_03 (48:50):
Right.
You know, because it used to beback in the day when after I
first got to the hospital, Iwould avoid certain things.
Like uh, I wouldn't go toanywhere that I knew there was
gonna be a lot of uh likearomatic things.

SPEAKER_00 (49:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (49:03):
Because it back when I first came out of the
hospital, I was very easilyinflamed.

SPEAKER_00 (49:08):
Yeah, very, very hypersensitive.

SPEAKER_03 (49:10):
Very hypersensitive to things.

SPEAKER_00 (49:12):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (49:12):
And that they had me on different, they had me on a
uh regimen of different pills atthe time.

SPEAKER_01 (49:17):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (49:18):
Um, but and I'm very grateful because I had a great
restaurant story therapist, bythe way.
Um I can't remember her or hername.
There was two of them.
There was a guy and a girl.

SPEAKER_00 (49:26):
And uh did she have a nice butt and have blonde
hair?

SPEAKER_03 (49:29):
Um no, she was actually kind of frumpy, but in
case she hears this, I'm notgonna mention her name because I
do remember her name.
And I remember his name quitewell because his name was he's
uh was French.

SPEAKER_00 (49:45):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (49:46):
And uh his his yeah, and you could barely understood
what he said.
I just wondered what therapy wasreceiving.
Yeah, not that kind of therapy.
Don't get me wrong, I like thatkind of therapy.
But you know, so i I guess inthe long run, is is when you
have a crow like for me today,and this is the thing I think

(50:08):
everybody should take away fromthis, is when you have something
like this in your life, behumble enough to say, What am I
doing?
You know, like what what am Idoing that's creating it?
Yeah, why is it in my reality?

SPEAKER_00 (50:22):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (50:22):
Ask yourself those questions.

SPEAKER_00 (50:24):
Yeah.
When you can get to the point ofasking those questions and
answering them openly andhonestly about yourself, yeah,
your reality will change in aflash.

SPEAKER_03 (50:33):
Exponentially, totally agree.

SPEAKER_00 (50:35):
If you stay in that place, though, of avoidance,
distraction, deferment toanother person, oh yeah, not
owning it, not beingaccountable, you'll recreate the
same reality over and overagain, and the common
denominator will always be you.
Always.

SPEAKER_03 (50:54):
Right.
You know, uh, I had a coach, uh,my personal development teacher
back when I was in high school.
Name was Coach Ted Foster, bythe way.
Rest in peace, Mr.
Tub Foster.
But I hear his son is now theprincipal of the school.
But um Coach Foster saidsomething in a class one day,
and he actually said two things.
One is he had a sign up on thewall that had a picture of this

(51:16):
guy that was laying on top of asand dune, and he was looking
down at an oasis.
And he was and he was laying onit all spread out, and he had
the, you know, the they paintedthe circuit like he died.

SPEAKER_00 (51:27):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (51:28):
And I asked him, I was like, Coach, what's that?
You know, what's that picture?
And he said, That's the man ofperseverance.
And I was like, What do youmean?
And he said, You know, that guy,I want you to look at him.
He walked across the desert for14 days and 14 nights looking
for water.

(51:50):
And then he came over the top ofthat sand dune and he saw that
oasis down there with water init.
And he sat down and said, I'mgonna rest for a minute.
And he looked down at the oasisand he's like, he lays back and
he takes a he lays against asand dune, and while while
resting, he died.

(52:10):
And I was like, Well, coach,that's a crappy story, is that?
And you got it up on your wall.

SPEAKER_00 (52:18):
What a shit story that is.

SPEAKER_03 (52:20):
And and he said, he said, Well, that's because you
don't get it.
If we quit helping ourselves andwe stop to rest and we are we're
not strong enough to stayhelping ourselves, this is what
happens.
All he needed was a few moresteps.
He had already been walking 14days and 14 nights.

(52:41):
He needed a few more steps.
And because he saw it, his goalwas in front of him, he's like,
I'll just take a break for aminute.
And you and you can't do that,you can't take a break on life.
You never quit learning, younever quit you never quit being
humble enough to look atyourself.

SPEAKER_00 (52:57):
That's right.

SPEAKER_03 (52:58):
And you know, and that changed me.
And he also said the stupidestman is the one that's not
humble.
That was a phrase over his backover the back of his desk.

unknown (53:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (53:09):
Or the stupidest person.
The most stupid person is aperson that's not humble.

SPEAKER_00 (53:15):
What does humble actually mean?

SPEAKER_03 (53:18):
Um so uh how I define it is able to look at
yourself.

SPEAKER_00 (53:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (53:25):
And not put yourself in a place of of um It wasn't
me.

SPEAKER_00 (53:31):
It wasn't me, or this happened to me because of
this, this or this or that.

SPEAKER_03 (53:36):
Or being too prideful to realize that they're
you know that somebody couldknow something more than you.

SPEAKER_00 (53:43):
I I see.

SPEAKER_03 (53:44):
You know, like he used to say it all the time in
wrestling or on the footballfield, because he was also the
football coach and my trackcoach.

SPEAKER_00 (53:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (53:50):
And I remember I I was running the hundred-yard
dash one time and I came andright at the end I kind of died,
and I ended up in second place,and I I smoked the whole field
in the first 90 yards of it.

SPEAKER_00 (54:01):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (54:02):
And when I got that last 10 yards, I kind of
petered.
And he asked me why I quit.
I'm like, I didn't quit.
He's like, Yeah, you did.
You quit.
You quit on yourself.
And so he what he was getting atwas he wasn't telling me to run
harder.
He was telling me if you don'tbelieve in yourself to push
through that last ten yards, tobe humble enough to stop and

(54:24):
look at yourself, to not quit onyourself, because even when
we're 70, 80, 90, 100 years old,we're still not gonna quit
persevere in what we have tolive through in life.
That's why we're here.

SPEAKER_00 (54:38):
Or the opposite of that being so egotistical, I
guess, to where when you ran therace, you're like, Oh, I got
this in the bag, I can slowdown.

SPEAKER_04 (54:49):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (54:50):
And then the others caught up with you and passed
you by, and then it was toolate.

SPEAKER_03 (54:55):
Yeah, he used to always say, quitters never win,
and the winner is gonna be rightbehind you.
You know, so he was if you ifyou if you quit trying to be
something more, the person thatwants to be something more is
gonna come to the front.
And that's what happens with oursubconscious mind.
When you quit trying to bebetter than what you are, your
subconscious mind's gonnacontinue to give you what you

(55:16):
were getting.

SPEAKER_00 (55:17):
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (55:19):
And anyway, that's I I kind of got on a little little
rant there for a moment.

SPEAKER_00 (55:22):
You've been on a rant for quite a few days here.

SPEAKER_03 (55:26):
I've been I've been kind of on that little soapbox.
I don't know, you taught me howto tune in and now I'm tuned.
Look what I look what happened.
See, you created this monster.

SPEAKER_00 (55:36):
Ah that the radio tuner is tuned in.

SPEAKER_03 (55:43):
You know, and that's really the truth.
I used to teach my kids inbaseball when I coached them.
I I used to coach these bunch ofbaseball teams.
Yeah.
And I used to always tell themthat the person that wins in
life is the ones that worksharder on the field.

unknown (55:57):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (55:57):
And so, and and the field is is an acronym for life.

SPEAKER_00 (56:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (56:02):
Because if you continue to work on yourself and
try to look at beliefs andpatterns and programs and and
try to make yourself better,then then you're you're not
losing, you're winning.

SPEAKER_01 (56:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (56:12):
You're winning at everything.
Right.
And no matter what anybodythinks, says or does of you, if
you can take one step forward,then you're in a better place.

SPEAKER_00 (56:21):
Absolutely.
You're a whole different person.

SPEAKER_03 (56:23):
And if you can persevere the bumps and the
speed bumps in the road and theand the the guy coming from
behind you in the last tenmeters, if you can persevere
that, then there, then you'rewinning already.
Absolutely.
But anyway, I feel complete now.
I'll get off my soapbox, sorry.
I shrug my shoulders like alittle kindergartner right

(56:44):
there.
Uh I have been on this littlebit of a tangent lately, have I?
Not really a tangent.
That's kind of a harsh word.

SPEAKER_00 (56:52):
It is a harsh word.

SPEAKER_03 (56:54):
We've been on a roll.
You created this monster.

SPEAKER_00 (56:56):
I love it.

SPEAKER_03 (56:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:58):
I love it.
You're finding uh your waythrough it.
And I I love the I like to watchanyone, but especially you have
those moments.

SPEAKER_03 (57:10):
And you know, and it's really fun because I've
been able to tie back old thingsthat I've been taught and how
I've and the things that I'vedone.
Yeah.
It's been kind of really cool,actually.
You know, like the thought aboutthe kids and I used to teach
them that.

SPEAKER_00 (57:23):
And we yeah, so what the last thing that you said
before I went into the habit wasremembering to honor or
experience the feel-good part ofit.
Yes.
So touch on that real quickbefore we go, because I didn't
let you know.

SPEAKER_03 (57:39):
So when you get to the place that it feels good.
Like when I this morning when Idiscovered what had happened and
and it and it rang my bell.
It was like ding ding ding ding.
Yeah.
You know, I it for a moment Igot almost emotional to the
point of okay.
And it felt good.
Yeah.
You know, and then that emotionkind of came out, and and I so I

(58:00):
just kind of sat and enjoyed it.
Yeah.
Because before I even turned toyou and said anything, I was
like disenjoying, like, okay.
Uh this is it, because it's avery self-valuing thing when you
can identify things wrong withinyourself.
It creates a big self-value.

SPEAKER_00 (58:19):
Right.
And it it's a very prominentfeeling.
Yes.
Like you don't forget it.

SPEAKER_03 (58:25):
It gives you the worth.

SPEAKER_00 (58:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:28):
And and so sitting in that vibration, knowing that
you've found that moment, yeah,is very beneficial.

SPEAKER_04 (58:36):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (58:37):
That way you really kind of drive it home of oh.
No matter how frustrating it isbefore that moment.

SPEAKER_03 (58:42):
That's that's right.
I mean, you don't know howfrustrated.
I've been really frustrated withthis for like three or four days
now.

SPEAKER_00 (58:47):
I know.

SPEAKER_03 (58:48):
And it's like creates an anger and a little
bit of a it does.

SPEAKER_00 (58:51):
Yeah.
It can.
It can definitely no matterwhat.

SPEAKER_03 (58:54):
And all I can do is just keep, you know, keep
plugging away.
That's it.
And yeah, there's things Ididn't like about it.
It is what it is.
Because I had my subconsciousmind telling me crap, and I had,
you know, I've got Dr.
Jenny telling me, you know, giveme direction that's just my
subconscious mind, and thatlittle devil on my shoulder
saying, you know.
But it still it felt good at theend.

SPEAKER_01 (59:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:15):
And that's really what's about it.
And I really appreciate you.
I don't know if I've ever toldyou this on air, but I do love
you.
And thank you for being a partof my life.

unknown (59:22):
You're welcome.

SPEAKER_03 (59:24):
Because you complete me.
Oh.
That was that.
What was that?
What was that movie?
Jerry Maguire.
Yeah.
You complete me.

SPEAKER_00 (59:32):
I think it was a Jerry Maguire and then what was
the one with the region aroundthe and then they did the spiff.
Uh that was Ghost.

SPEAKER_03 (59:42):
Ghost.
What didn't wasn't that in thatmovie too?

SPEAKER_00 (59:45):
I don't know.
I don't think so.
I definitely know.
I think it was on Jerry Maguire.
And then they did a spiff of itwith the little ball headed guy.
I don't know.
Laser.
And You Complete Me.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:04):
I do remember that.
Yeah, the little mini me.
Right.
Whatever that spoof was.
That was on the movie.
They said it on that as well.
What was that movie?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:11):
Um I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:13):
Austin Powers.
Austin Powers.
Yeah, that's what it was.
Alrighty.
Well, hey guys, I appreciatey'all listening.
Are you complete?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:20):
I am good.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:22):
Sorry if I bogarton.
I know y'all want to hear Dr.
Jenny, but I'm sorry.
James has been on there so much.
I'm sorry.
You know, leave a leave, youknow, leave me a hate emoji on
the comments.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:33):
That's why we're both on here.
People want to hear from both ofus.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:38):
I'm just playing.
Thank you all for tuning in andlistening to us and live, you
know, dealing with my jargon.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:44):
Living the dream, man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:45):
We are living the dream.
Y'all have no idea.
Y'all want to live this dreamwith us?
We can teach you how.
Give us a call.
Absolutely.
Look at check out our website atwww.themercenters.org and check
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SPEAKER_00 (01:01:00):
And if you want to go down the rabbit hole even
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Jenny on my blog.
That's where all of my rabbithole articles go.

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That's on blogger.com.
It's actually married into allthe blog sites, I think.
But if not, if you can't findit, it's on blogger.com.
Or you can just Google searchDr.
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Because Dr.
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