August 12, 2025 • 56 mins
Have you ever wondered why your perception of events differs so dramatically from others who witnessed the same thing? Or why your intuition sometimes guides you toward solutions before you even understand the problem?
The spiritual guidance system that operates within each of us is far more sophisticated than most of us realize. In this deeply insightful episode, we dive into how our personal belief systems, past experiences, and subconscious patterns shape not just our perception of reality, but the actual reality we experience.
We share a powerful personal journey through mysterious health challenges that conventional medicine couldn't solve. Despite multiple doctor visits and prescriptions that addressed symptoms but missed the root cause, something deeper was at work. The higher self was already guiding toward healing modalities that addressed mold toxicity, even before conscious awareness caught up. This revelation demonstrates how our spiritual guidance system is constantly working behind the scenes, orchestrating experiences for our growth and healing.
What makes this conversation particularly valuable is our exploration of trauma loops—those repetitive patterns where we question our own judgment or get stuck in cycles of self-doubt. We discuss practical ways to break free from these patterns by tuning into your body's wisdom and strengthening communication with your higher self, even amidst the noise of modern life.
We also tackle the false dichotomy between conventional and holistic medicine, advocating for an integrated approach where treatments align with individual belief systems rather than one-size-fits-all solutions. Your body knows what it needs—are you listening to it?
Subscribe now to join our growing community of spiritual seekers who are learning to navigate life's challenges with greater awareness. And don't miss our upcoming episode featuring Philip Wilson, a renowned expert in infrared therapy, who'll share how this powerful modality can help address toxicity issues naturally!
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Thank you.
Good morning Grinders.
How is everybody?
Good morning, it's Dr Jenny inthe house.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What, what.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
What?
Anyway?
How are you this morning?
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I am great.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
For some reason my mic's acting a little funny this
morning.
Maybe adjust that and see ifthat works better.
I don't know.
My seat position is off.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Your seat position.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, something's changed here.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Maybe you've changed.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Maybe I got taller.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You're a different person than you were two seconds
ago.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Wow, that's good, you're right I am.
Which brings me to my topicactually for the day.
Unless you had one, did youhave a topic today?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh, my topic is about perception.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I feel like we've talked about that before.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Have we.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I feel like we have.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Perhaps we should do a different topic.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
No, because I have two.
No, if that's what's coming upto be visited and talked about,
then somebody out theresomewhere needs to talk about it
.
Unless you like the second one,I mean flip a coin Pink.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, two out of three.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's an indicator that one of them is where you
really want to go yeah, it'sabout.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
My second topic is what came up on the coin toss
actually.
Um, my second topic is aboutself-guidance.
I'm gonna I'm really don't knowhow to explain it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
When we, as humans, do things in our world and you
have other people around you,everybody does things a little
different yeah.
And that is all based upon yourbelief systems and everything
else.
You know, we kind of touched onthis topic the other day.
Yeah, based upon your beliefsystems and everything else.
You know, we kind of touched onthis topic the other day, yeah,
um, but the part of it is thatthat can that is coming to my
reality to talk about is aboutthe guidance by which we operate
(02:58):
and how everybody around you orcan perceive it differently
than you.
And, and what I mean by that is, uh, take, for example, a crime
scene.
You have four witnesses to acrime scene.
All four of those witnesses andthis is like proven facts All
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four of these witnesses willgive completely different
statements about what they justwitnessed.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And so when we look at our guidance system through
that, what creates our guidancesystem through life is our past
beliefs, patterns and programs.
And, like this morning in ourcoffee talk between you and I,
we were just there's a littlething that I go by.
I call it the Webster Rule, andwhen we come across something
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in our reality, we acknowledgeit, then we define it and then
we decide whether or not to useit or not.
And when we come across thingsthat you define differently than
others, it makes you questionyour own guidance system.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Not always.
Well, it does me.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That's what I'm saying.
It makes me question okay, am Idoing this wrong?
Is my process wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, and that's definitely a trip up point in
the mechanism.
Yeah, that's definitely a tripup point in the mechanism is
that just because it makes youlook at it differently than
everybody else doesn't mean thatyou're doing it right or wrong.
Okay, I think that's why Ialways talk about how it's
somewhat important to come awayfrom that right or wrong
(04:40):
template.
Yeah, right or wrong template.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Especially when you're talking about how you're
going about things, becausethere's not really I say this
very gingerly there's not reallya right or wrong way to go
about it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
What's the ginger to do with it?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Because the ginger part of it would be I'm not
implying by any means that yougo out and kill someone you
still have a jurisdictionalconstruct and laws that you
agreed to play in when you cameto this life, this planet, this
moment in time, and you agreedto figure your shit out within
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this construct as a contractualagreement agreed.
So there is a.
There is a formidable right orwrong when you're talking the
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concept of the big widemultiverse kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Okay, please elaborate.
You're the rabbit hole feature.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I do enjoy a good rabbit hole.
Well, I mean it goes back backto if you understand the
construct of the whole mechanismof the multiverse and the
different dimensions, realities,etc.
Even murder has its placebecause in the rabbit hole the
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two individuals, or three orfour, whatever that were
involved in that act did itbecause each individual wanted
to experience their characterrole within that part of the
play for their own evolution andgrowth.
Okay, and so even murder, asthe politically cleric society
(06:51):
would deem inappropriate orwrong behavior, yeah, has its
place in the multiverse becauseeven though society views that
as a heinous crime, that's wrong, there is still growth and
(07:11):
development that comes frombeing the murderer, the murdery,
the witnesses, the family of.
They each have the things thatthey wanted to experience that
cause a level of growth andevolution along this particular
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lifetime for them.
So in the rabbit hole worldthere's really not even a right
or wrong around those thingsthat traditional society deems
right and wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But because we live in this reality and in this
time-space continuum with therules and laws that we've agreed
to play by, so to speak.
We've agreed to play by, so tospeak, it is a right or wrong
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situation when you're talkingabout the heinous crimes of
murder and what have you, but weagreed to go on that journey
and participate in how to evolveand grow with that noise around
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us.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You know and that's actually a very good way to
explain some things that a lotof people don't understand in
their life.
You know, you use murder as anexample and there are many
serial killers out there thatcan't tell you why they did what
they did.
They just tell you what theydid and there are many people
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that go through situations inlife that can't identify why
they did what they did.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And that happens a lot people in some different
religious groups, or even justgroups of people you know
they're, they call it like fate,they call it all this other
stuff, but they really, deepinside, don't understand what
that means no, most people don't, because they don't take the
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time to really look at it andthen listen right, and it's just
a guidance system.
It can be human backed, it canbe contractual back, it could be
just part of your, so to speak,lack of a better word script
here on earth, right, and itgives you a higher justification
.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The whole thing of like we, I, I say often it's not
that any of this is happeningto you, it's all happening for
you because essentially youdecided what this play looks
like.
Looks like.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And you're creating it.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And you modify it accordingly, based on your free
will once you get here, tomodify any aspect of it yeah but
.
But I mean, you know, a lot ofpeople aren't there yet I agree
um, and that's what themetaphysical spiritual community
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tends to call.
You know thinning of the veilor going through the awakening
process.
What that actually means isthat you're coming back into
remembering who you naturallyare and how the whole mechanism
actually is.
(10:40):
It's actually just an illusionthat you create for your own
experience, like you're not evenreal.
You're an illusion.
I created and I put in placethe criteria male partner, ai
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version of what I created sothat I have feedback or input
from that entity to furtherexpand the experience for growth
and development.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I know, totally on the same page with you, because
this, this is a a huge topic andif people were to look more at
their life, at a more, a more,uh, easier way of looking at
things, as everything happensfor a reason that lady at Burger
King that got pissed off at thecashier and through a fit out
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by the registers, it happenedand you were there because you
were supposed to be there forsome reason, right, and it's our
job as humans on earth.
When we're going through these,those kind of scenarios in life
, we have to use our guidancesystem, because it was put in
our presence, because that'swhat we agreed to do.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And when you're saying guidance system, you mean
our intuition, our higher selfour counsel that yes.
Not necessarily the guidancesystem we refer to as the
emotional guidance system,correct by itself.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
No the emotional guidance system is part of that,
Of course it is.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It's definitely part of the whole construct.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I mean sometimes it's sad, sometimes it's happy, you
know those things happen.
The whole construct.
I mean sometimes it's sad,sometimes it's happy, you know
those things happen.
And when we come to a place ofrealizing that, if you become
curious about life andunderstand everything that
happens within those reasonings,because of a contractual
obligation, and it's our job touse our guidance systems to work
through it, so we have theexperience.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
And that's where the key role comes into play, you're
going to have the experienceregardless.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Because that's set in motion.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But it's how you perceive it.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's how you perceive it and it's how you react to it
.
Is your.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
What the hell's going on around here?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, so.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
We have this cat-tastrophe going on okay.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We have cat-tastrophe .
Yeah, so we have two cats inour motorhome.
We're trying this out and it'snot really going well.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
They like to.
Jackson, if you're out there,hell yes, jackson, we have a
special needs cat and we have a,I guess uh, I don't even know
what's how old she is now almosttwo year old cat the ganger one
.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, she's a little over two and they're in this
trauma loop where they were partof a four cat household, and
one of the cats that's sincebeen rehomed was not being very
nice to the other two femalesand they now still see each
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other as this trauma threat.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So they go around being at each other being
territorial and agging.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I don't speak cats.
I don't know exactly what'sgoing on.
I'm I I diligently study thisbehavior that's going on.
That's quite crazy, it's crazyI mean it's intriguing, to say
the least, because they'll dothings like they'll eat their
treats and I can put their bowlsalmost side by side and they
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can be completely distracted forthat two or three minutes and
not give a shit what eachother's doing, and the minute
they're done and they walk awaythey start like stalking and
antagonizing each other.
Like right now.
What's going on is the youngercat's in the front of the house.
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She's sitting under the table.
The older cat's sitting on topof the table just staring at her
.
It's like they're just in thisstare down.
But when they come close to oneanother, the younger cat will.
It reminds me of the youngchild hollering.
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Mom, he touched me, that's whatit reminds me of, and he may
very well not even touched thechild.
He's just trying to figure outa way to get the older child in
trouble and be a little poophead maybe I don't even know
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But hey, if Jackson's listening, we could use your
help.
I know you only seem like allyour episodes are only in
California, but if you could flyto Florida and do this for us,
we'd appreciate it?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, definitely, we would appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Because we've tried all your tricks, bro.
We've tried to play.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
We're currently in a positive behavior modification
trial again, where we take ahigh-value treat, we put it in a
slow-feed bowl for each of them.
I literally sit in the floorand I nudge those bowls every
night closer and closer togetherto get them to equate each
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other's smells and presence withthe yumminess of this
high-valued treat.
I mean, that's currently whatwe're trying.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, including the play and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We wore them both smooth out, but they went right
to it as soon as we got themplaying, as soon as we got them
playing.
It's just crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They went right back to their.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
They're not using their guiding system very well.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
They're not and they're not dealing with their
own shit.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
They need some cat counseling.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
They need something.
Good grief, almighty.
Yeah, or else somebody needs toteach me how to speak meow.
Yeah, it's a foreign languagethat neither one of us is very
good at.
Yeah that's for sure.
I'm not even sure, honestly,that the older cat even knows
that she is a cat.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't even know.
Know she knows how to speak.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Meow honestly well, no, like I was watching willow
in the back yet this morning,when she was on the floor in the
corner, by the corner of thebed, and plumbly was up on top
of the bed and literally willowwas on the floor in the
defensive position blinking herbutt off yes supposedly the
premise is is that when cats dothe slow blink, that's like
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waving the white flag and it'slike okay we're friends we're
friends, everything's cool, likeyeah, no threat, and plumley
just looks at that.
Yeah, she has no idea what itmeans.
Plumlee's the older cat that.
I, maybe we need to startblinking at her.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
We've been told by the vets has some neurological
issues.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Feline vestibularitis , not just that, yeah, and there
was something else that theydiagnosed her with.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
She's wired differently for sure, and she
just looks at that.
And I don't even know if sheknows what that means.
She was literally raised byhumans.
I found her when her eyes werestill just barely coming open,
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and then her brother was a petrabbit.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So she only speaks rabbit of it, so she's confused
as hell, honestly, like shedoesn't know what she is.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Is she human, is she cat, is she?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I know what she is, is she's fat.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
She is.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
She's a pink-bellied fat cat.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Right, but in her defense you do give a lot of
candy bar treats.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I do.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
We call treats candy bars.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yes.
You do give a lot and she is inthe process of just having to
find a way to stalk this poorlittle cat down here.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
that's just rolled up by a yeah, to the point where
we've completely derailed ourtopic.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Our podcast topic and because they're not using their
guidance system.
So let's roll it back in, shallwe?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And maybe it's a contractual obligation for them.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And maybe it is, and maybe we're reading it totally
wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I will say this, though that it has gotten a
little better, because I noticedthey're not just instantly
hissing at each other now.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
But anyway.
So it's part of our realityright now, so that's why we're
talking about it like this, yeah, and humanly it is a little
frustrating.
It is frustrating man, it candrive you insane actually.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I don't know that it's to the point of driving me
insane.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean, her being up here is a different, her being
up here is a different.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Behavior.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah is a different behavior.
Yeah, Usually during the daythey go off and they get in
their little hidey holes andthey go to bed for the day.
That's when we get a lot ofstuff done, when you put the
kids down for a nap then you canreally get some stuff done.
I don't even know why they'reup today at this hour Because
we're in here doing a podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Probably If we were outside on the patio they would
be in sleep and right, wehaven't turned the lights out
and, like you, should seteverything down I mean like
she's gonna lay down and go tosleep now, close your eyes yeah,
and she went through that incomplete loop.
She started there and wentthrough this complete loop all
the way around, right back tothe same spot and lay down yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I mean tiny bits of progress.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, but anyway.
So back to the topic.
You know we have.
I have been going through thisthing of kind of reworking some
guidance system stuff, okay andand you know we discussed it a
little bit this morning becauseI got caught in this loop of
when we were going through thisexposure and not feeling.
Well, you know, I started toexperience stuff like that I
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never experienced before.
I normally have the memory, likeyou wouldn't believe.
Like I mean to the point I'vebeen told I have a photographic
memory and I can recall thingsvery well in a video type form
to where I can like rememberthings.
And when I started goingthrough this loop, probably
about a year and a half or soago, that got very bad for me
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and I quit.
It's like I couldn't do itanymore and so it kind of put me
in this trauma loop ofexercising my brain constantly.
I want to make, I want to findout what's going on, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, and you knowthat blah, blah, blah, blah, and
you know that whole scenario ofhyper, focusing on it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I like the cats are hyper focusing on it.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now, here you are, You're trying to link, link
things together here.
But the part of that is Istarted developing these habits
and these patterns of of um,human interaction into it, like
I would try to multitaskconstantly, I would play, play
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those those brain games on myphone.
I would do all these thingstrying to reassure myself and
make me feel better about what'sgoing on, when it was a human
experience that apparently maybeI was contractually obligated
to go through.
I don't know why.
Yeah, but the whole pattern hasdeveloped to where I constantly
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, even now, am putting myself inthis place of checking myself
constantly, not trusting inmyself.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, it's called a trauma loop.
Mm-hmm, and it is a habit thatneeds to be broke yeah, I mean
you're taking the first step,obviously, and that is catching
it bringing it to.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
My name is james and I'm a trauma victim.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I'm a trauma loopy I'm a trauma loopy experiencer
I'm a trauma loop I'm a loopytrauma loop anonymous trauma
loop, and so it's like, yeah,really I mean you're, you're
progressing beautifully, then,because the first step in any of
it is being aware that you'redoing it, because you know, when
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you've got a habit or you'vegot a some sort of trauma loop
going on, you first have tobring it to your forebrain and
be aware that you're doing itand not just be doing it on
autopilot.
Yeah, because that then givesyou the ability to catch
yourself doing it and then askyourself do I want to continue
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this habit or do I want tocreate a new habit?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, and you know, and I do realize that the best
you know because we doeverything historically off
beliefs and patterns andprograms, and I follow the Dr
Phil statement of the bestpredictor of future behavior is
past behavior.
And so, and how you create, isyou create new history and you
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create it in different ways.
And taking that first step ofcreate the new history which
creates a new pattern, then thenyou start rolling into the fact
of your human habits changebecause you've created new
patterns.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Okay, I'll let you have that one.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Okay, so would you like to elaborate on?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
that, oh no, it's a rabbit hole, and I feel like too
many rabbit holes putseverybody's brain on.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
If we keep this up, Walmart's going to run out of
carrots.
The spiritual grinder t-shirtWalmart's going to run out of
carrots.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
We do have merchandise coming.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And some of it's related to the rabbit hole in
the carrot sandwich.
I did make some t-shirtillustrations based on that.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, anyways, stuff coming your way the the whole
point of all of that.
This I guess this conversationfor me was bringing to the
forefront that that I have torealize and accept that I am not
only in a pattern based off aevent, but I'm also in a healing
pattern now.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Well, yeah, and that's the second part of it,
once you get to the awarenesspart is making sure you don't
get tripped up in the selfcriticizing or the self judgment
of where you are and andallowing yourself to be where
you are.
Yeah, you are and and allowingyourself to be where you are.
You know you, you went througha traumatic experience and so
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acknowledging that and givingthat energy space to be yes, let
me touch on that real quick.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Because a lot of people will register trauma
experience as something thathappened unexpectedly and trauma
experiences can be long-term,slow.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And you don't even realize you're in it.
Like for me, I didn't realizewhat was going on.
Well, into two years into it,right, and it was like just one
thing and it was slow.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And then when you get to that point of you're like
what the hell?
I mean, I went through, I putmyself through all sorts of crap
.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah, you know that you're not feeling good, and
society's taught us that onceyou reach a certain age, aging
happens.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
I thought I was getting old,that I had cancer.
I went through all sorts ofthings.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, I think that we both kind of embraced that
because we came into our 50s 5-0, and that's all you hear
sometimes about the negativeNancys and the naysayers is oh
God, you've hit the big 5-0.
Expect everything to fall andmalfunction and do all this
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negative shit and do all thisnegative shit.
And so then, when things beginto not function in your physical
body the way they used to yourgo-to, if you buy into that is
okay.
well, I guess this is what 50looks like I guess this is what
old age looks like and you letit just keep going on.
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And you let it just keep goingon.
And finally, your guidancesystem, your counsel, your
tuition, whatever they, finallyring the bell loud enough or in
the right direction where youcan actually hear and you say to
yourself wait a minute,something is just not right.
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Something is not right.
I can't put my finger on it, Idon't know what it is, but
something is not right.
There is something more to thisthan just I have turned 50 and
I'm aging.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I agree Because it's not a switch.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
That just should reaffirm to everybody that your
higher self and your counsel andyour guides, they don't give up
on you.
Right, they will continue totry and bring the message
forward in whatever way you havethe ability to hear them at the
time or are willing to listenat the time and and uh, and, and
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so eventually they will.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know, eventually, be it slow or fast, they'll get
your attention yeah and they'llput you on the right track I
agree, and that's really whatmay take longer than initially
intended or initially because Ihad this superman mentality, you
know, I felt like I could live,for I was going to live forever
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and.
But prior to this happening andI felt like I could take on the
world, every single day didn'thave a single thought in my mind
negative of getting turning 50and blah blah.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Never even crossed my mind yeah because I already
been past that point, because Iremember when my dad turned 40,
I started calling him old yeahyou know, now he's double that
and I remember there being atime where I would look at my
different family members whowere 40 and think, oh my god I
don't ever want to be 40.
(29:04):
I must be so bad I'm so old,and then when I hit 40, it was
like oh okay.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And so I put myself through this thought process of
dang, this can't be.
I mean, things don't happenlike that, it just doesn't
happen that way.
And that was obviously myguides, or my higher self
telling me that.
And so I went through thiswhole process of what the f was
(29:33):
going on.
And and so, man, I did, I couldput myself through a trauma loop
situation, and it was slow andprogressive across the course of
three years yeah and and now,you know, and, and even in my
lab work it shows now that I wasexposed to high levels of mold
and it was totally affecting myhealth.
(29:55):
I mean, I had doctors trying togive me high blood pressure
medicine.
That one lady said my liverfunctions were down.
You know, I went through allthese things.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And the ENT was like I don't know what's going on,
but your vocal cords hate you.
Blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
They gave me this magicmouthwash and blah blah, and I
went through all this stuff andthey put me and, and then the
last one I went to the well, Idon't remember the cardiologist
or something, and they tried togive me a medicine for my heart,
(30:25):
but yet he was said thateverything showed.
Okay, then why are you givingme medicine?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
right.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I think that happens more often than we realize why,
and so I mean literally, I waslike you know, I mean I'm not
going to take that pill becausebecause you, you just told me
that everything looks normal formy age, but yet you want to put
me on a medicine.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
That makes zero sense .
Yeah, you know where that comesfrom.
That comes from society wantinga quick-fix pill.
They want something.
They want the doctor to givethem something that will make
them feel better.
So the doctors have bought intothe okay, well, I've got to
give them something so that theywill feel better.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
They, you know, patients and society are not
okay with going to the doctorpaying their copay and the
doctor literally saying all yourshit's fine, I don't know, I've
got nothing for you, right?
That feels like crap whenyou're the patient and the
doctor don't get paid gets tired.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They get paid for the office visit but they get paid
more for diagnosis, right, ofcourse, yeah and.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But then they get a bad rap or a bad reputation or a
bad google or a bad Googlereview from the patient.
Because the patient's like Ifeel bad.
I went to this doctor.
He told me nothing was wrongwith me and he didn't give me
any medication.
So now, what am I supposed todo, right?
And so now doctors willprescribe the least risky thing
(32:05):
that they can in their specialty, right, so that the patient
walks away feeling like they didsomething, like the doctor did
something for them, rather thanfeeling like they were just left
to hang out and dry, like whenthis first started, and I went
to the doctor with the mobilenetwork and she came and saw me
and she was like well, because Ihad an ear, my ear mobile
network, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And she came and saw me and she was like well,
because I had an ear, my ear washurting, yeah, and and I kept
feeling like it was drainingdown my throat, which was
causing irritation.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
She put me through four back to backgrounds of
antibiotics and steroids.
What's anybody that knowsanybody?
You don't do that because ittotally stripped my system of
all good biotics and not oncedid she say, hey, take a
probiotic you took it anyway.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I did.
I'm an idiot in your reality,where you didn't know it either.
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well, I just wanted to feel better, and and, uh,
then she kept switching it allup and all this other crap.
And then, um, finally, when,when we discovered it, like now,
we've been out of it for aboutthree weeks.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And ringing in my ears is almost gone.
Yeah, I mean, it's barely therenow.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And so it just tells me that, okay, I get it Now, I
know, but it's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous the guidancesystem within that of how we are
trained as humans to approachthat, like you just said, people
expect to go to the doctorbecause they want medicines.
And you know, a lot of timeswhen people don't even realize a
steroid.
All it is is a.
It's a naturally producedchemical in your body and
(33:36):
they're just giving you more ofit.
So you get a bigger reactionfrom it and it reduces
inflammation and and it doesmake you feel better quicker.
But your body would do the samething, like them putting me on
this high, wanting to put me onthis high blood pressure
medicine.
Why my blood pressure now is110 over 70.
You can't beat that.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I mean, that's a really good blood pressure.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Most people are not those kind of patients where
they say mm.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
And I took it for a couple days, but man, it made me
feel like crap well, yeah,because your body doesn't need
it yeah, doesn't need it, that'syour body communicating to you.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean, I think the premise is that I would like to
hand out as a uh, healer,teacher, guidance doctor myself
is you have to be your ownadvocate, you.
It's just really important tocreate that conversation with
your body and learn what yourbody's trying to tell you and
(34:36):
and listen in and listen to yourguidance, like get in tune with
your intuition, get in tunewith the conversations that your
higher self's trying to have.
Tune with the conversationsthat your higher self's trying
to have.
If you are truly wanting to getto a place where you are
creating your own reality, it isa vital must that you formulate
(34:57):
that language between yourhigher self and your guides and
between your physical body Iagree, like you have to.
You have to have thatcommunication and you've got to
listen when your body's tryingto tell you something and ask it
questions and then listen forthe answers I agree totally and
the noise of the world around ustends to keep people distracted
(35:21):
from doing that anymore andthat's the difference between
our ancestors and the way thatwe live now is that they had a
lot less noise and they weremore in tune to their physical
body and their spiritual bodyand their energetic body, and
they lived more like that yesand as the time progressed on,
(35:44):
the noise and noise outside ofus got a little louder and it
and it had to right, because weneeded to have a platform, or a
stage, if you will, for learninghow to come back to our natural
self, come back to creatingthat communication, listening to
(36:08):
that, learning that languageyeah, through the noise yes with
the noise being there, becauseour ancestors did it and were
able to be very efficient at itwithout the noise.
Yeah, so that already happened.
So, as the generations move on,it's now our turn to figure out
(36:30):
how to do it with the noise andin spite of the noise yes and
that's what we're learning andpart of the collective um
awakening, if you will, orevolution I totally agree with
you is learning how to reconnectto ourselves, learning how to
re-establish that line ofcommunication with our physical
(36:53):
body.
You know what's?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
crazy.
What I find crazy about thatwhole scenario is how your
higher self has a way of havingyou do things and then we as
humans, because of the patternsthat we're in, don't recognize
it.
Like like we would go to thatIV joint.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
And I would get this massive IV because one of the
symptoms I was having was I feltvery dehydrated, my joints hurt
, and we would go get IV and siton the oxygen bar, not
realizing that the reason why myhigher self was directing me
there is because it wasrehydrating my joints and I was
sitting on oxygen for an hourand because I was inhaling bad
(37:30):
stuff.
Yeah, and it was kind of funnyto recognize that.
I recognized that this morningwhen I was sitting outside.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I was like, okay, it's a good indicator of
reminding everybody, and it's agood example that your higher
self always has your back.
Yeah, even if you don't havethe ability consciously to know
why or to recognize what's trulygoing on.
What's going on behind thescenes that you may not even be
(38:00):
able to conceptualize is for agreater concept, yes, and it's
always for the benefit of yourgreatest good always.
That's why I recommend startingto change what comes out of your
mouth.
This is not happening to me.
(38:20):
This is happening for me andlisten to.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know, because there are, and let me, let me
back up a minute.
I got ahead of myself a moment.
Most of the modern daymedicines today are based upon
herbs and being open andreceptive to a cleaner way of
doing it is a healthiermentality.
You know, like I became moreaware of you know, we started
(38:47):
doing these iv and oxygentreatment and they would put the
minerals and stuff in my body,not realizing that when I told
her that I needed, uh, notmagnesium, but what was the
other one?
um, realizing that that was thatwas spiritual guidance, 100
spiritual guidance because Idon't remember what it was, but
and making myself open to that,because I was like, why am I
(39:09):
saying to do this?
I really didn't know.
I just like, okay, let's justtry that.
And then I told one of ourfriends about it because, you
know, he had been diagnosed fora few years now with rheumatoid
arthritis.
And I reminded him of hisprevious occupancy where he
lived and he moved because ithad mold and so he sold the.
(39:34):
I mean he, he moved out of thehouse, bought his own home and
and, uh, now he, he is like downto minimal medication for it.
And so I reminded him of thatthe other day when we were
talking and he was like, oh, youknow what I forgot, all about
that.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
And then the communication that we had about
what's going on with us.
He, he went down to his doctorand his doctor put him on a some
kind of a fungal medication andhe hadn't taken his arthritis
and his arthritis medicine nowin almost three weeks Right, and
that's why they called Mold theGreat Mimicker and he started
going through this other therapyand we'll touch on it in just a
(40:14):
minute because it's somethingthat we're going to have a guest
speaker about, actually, and so, but being open and receptive
to whatever your body is tellingyou is okay.
Like I didn't take the bloodpressure medicine as we can
because of a pat I mean they.
I went through the patternprocess and my guidance system
to go to the doctor, but I knewit didn't feel right that they
(40:39):
were trying to give me.
I mean, how, all of a sudden,do I just end up with high blood
pressure?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
that's impossible well, I'm even down to taking it
and then having the senseenough to listen to your body
and say golly talk about theheadache.
That makes me feel yucky, andthat's not what my brain needs,
right?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
now I think I took it what?
two days, I think, maybe at themost, and I was like, yeah, I
can't do this, because it wasgiving me this massive headache
every day, and I was like notdoing this, yeah, and and so but
there's some people out therethat will just continue to take
it and how funny is it that youbought that machine and I laid
on your lap and you did thatmachine on my face and finding
out that that actually is aholistic way of removing that
(41:17):
stuff from our system I just dowhat I do yeah I know that was
kind of kind of funny, huh no Ijust do what I do, but staying
within your guidance system isokay.
Listen to yourself.
And I don't know how many timesin our career over the last six
years I have said these words.
Health care is always a choice.
(41:38):
There are so many people whoget caught up in.
I've got to do what my doctorsays, or my insurance company
won't pay.
That is not true anymore.
That has been changed.
Yeah.
And health, or my insurancecompany won't pay.
That is not true anymore.
That has been changed and healthcare is a choice.
You can walk out of thehospital any given time you want
.
Your insurance company stillhas to pay that bill.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
And it's.
I mean, you'll have yourco-pays and you'll leave what
they call, what AMA or something, which I don't even think that
means anything anymore, becauseI've seen it to where you know,
nobody has any problems withthat when they do leave.
But listening to your guidancesystem is important.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I absolutely agree with you.
That's the key takeaway isyou've got to give space to
listen to your own self andyou've got to give value to the
fact that it's your body andyou've spent how many years with
(42:34):
that body and go into a doctorthat you see once a month or
twice a month or even once aweek.
That's only been with you for acouple of years.
You don't have to do everysingle thing that they say to do
.
If it's not resonating with you, get a second opinion or
(42:55):
whatever.
But listen disclaimer I am nottelling anybody to stop their
medicines or bail out on theirdoctor.
You know there is a I literallywrote an article and I'm just
(43:16):
trying to decide which medicalmagazine I want to publish in of
the importance of coexistenceof modern medicine and holistic,
non-invasive medicine andhealing modalities.
They should be allies and theyshould be working together,
accentuating each other, workingtogether based on the
(43:38):
individual's belief system.
That's where you're going toget true healing.
That's where you're going toget 100%.
Feedback is if you figure outwhat your patient's beliefs are
around the topic or thediagnosis, and then you create a
(43:58):
regimen that is a la carte,basically based on what the
beliefs of that person are 100and your insurance company
should be a choice and yourinsurance company should have to
pay both ways.
That's right, whether it'sherbal, whether it's modern
medicine, whether it's a blendof those, whether it's you know
(44:20):
whatever that looks like,whether it's, you go and get
oxygen therapy and then you takea prescription medication
because it can be a mix.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Oh yeah, totally, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
And that's, I think, where we're missing it.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Totally, 100%, agree with you, and that article was
well written, by the way.
You should get that out.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I am.
I am just trying to decidewhich direction, which magazine
I want to put it in.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Or yeah, or put it on our own.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Or where I want to put it.
I totally agree, but it bringsme to a very good topic.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes, talking about alternative medicine.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
We are going to have a special guest on the next
podcast.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Where's the applause?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Oh wait applause.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
You're not using your buttons anymore.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh yeah, I haven't used my buttons in a minute.
Yeah, we're going to have aguest on.
Sorry, I was sitting back andrelaxing there.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
You were quite relaxed and reclined.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
But we have a gentleman joining us next week.
His name is Philip Wilson.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Philip Wilson.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
And he is a renowned expert in red light therapy.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I think it's called infrared.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Infrared, infrared.
And yeah, there's some kind ofspecial feature.
I'm going to let him get intodetails, because I don't know a
whole lot about it.
Yeah, and, but he owns acompany called Relax Sonos and
he's going to be on with us nextweek on one of the podcasts.
It looks like we're probably onthe next one we post.
I'm waiting for confirmationfrom him.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
And where's his facility located?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
He has them all over the country.
It's mobile.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I see.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
But he is an expert in that therapy treatments and
he reached out to us about whenwe dedicated our podcast to the
mold toxicity syndrome andtrying to help people.
He reached out to us and wantedto interject his knowledge into
how the benefits of red lighttherapy can help with toxicity
(46:22):
and with any toxicity is the wayhe made it stand.
But I'll let him talk about itmore.
But y'all can check him out onthe web.
He is on multiple sites OnFacebook.
It's called Relax Sauna onFacebook.
His website is relaxsaunascomand his YouTube is Relax Saunas
(46:43):
and he puts out a lot ofinformation on it.
His bio is quite elaborate.
He's been doing this for 26years after Sorry, I've got a
cat interfering right here andcheck him out online before he
comes, and I'm going to put allof his links into our
(47:04):
description.
I will send that to the editorso she can do that.
Yeah, and into the descriptionof this.
Will send that to the editor soshe can do that, yeah, and into
the description of this podcastand the one next week, and so
you can check him out before youlisten.
Once again, his name is PhilipWilson and he is an alternative
medicine expert.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Yeah, definitely, and always feel free to reach out
to us, just like you did, if youwant to be a guest totally on
the show and bring your topic in, or if you're not quite ready
for uh for that and you want usto still, like, conversate about
(47:39):
your issue, your topic, your uhcuriosity, whatever it it is.
There's no rules.
We will literally talk aboutanything.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
I love.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Anything spiritually I mean depends.
We just talked about our catsfor 30 minutes.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
We talk about.
I feel like we kind of talkabout anything honestly.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
We really do yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Whether it be which brings up daily topics for those
virtual grinders or whatever Itotally agree.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
And hey, um another thing dr jenny's book is out
scripted from within it is.
It's on amazon and kindle.
I'm still working on the audioaudible setup for the.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, there is one thing.
I noticed that when I orderedmy author copies it didn't print
with the page numbers, but thepage numbers are uploaded in
there.
So if you're finding the earsor don't have page numbers
either, let us know.
Yeah, send us an email Becausethere's some sort of weird
glitch, let us know.
Yeah, send us an email.
(48:47):
Because, there's some sort ofweird glitch.
The page numbers are in themanuscript and they're uploaded
in the thing.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
For some reason it printed without them.
I don't know if I had it thewrong color.
Maybe I need to look at that.
Maybe I need to look at thecolor of the page number.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, because the books that I got the one that I
looked at it didn't have anypage numbers.
The one that I looked at itdidn't have any page numbers, so
sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
If it prints that way for you, just take your pencil
and write them in.
I mean, there's documentationon there.
This is a group interactionbook.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, this is what it is.
We're going to write ittogether.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Hey, and we're working on our merch store
called the Salty Tarot.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
I'm hoping to have it ready and open up and running
by Monday.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
I ready and open up and running by monday.
I was hoping to have it lastmonday, but, man, there's a lot
more to that than I realized.
Yeah, getting an e-commercestore up is not the easiest
thing to do.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
It definitely has multiple steps, very intricate
yeah, especially if you're goingto sell internationally,
because all the tax rates andall that stuff, yeah, and the
shipping cost, you have to makesure that your shippers are
right and right.
Otherwise you can totally screwyourself and end up having to
pay for somebody's stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah, yeah, we're trying to get it up and running
so that people have a place toshop for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
She had it on her arm and was playing with it.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
She put it with a bracelet.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
But anyway.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Trying to get everything loaded up and ready
so that people have christmasgift options in the metaphysical
world.
Um, so there ain't that manystores out there online.
I've seen a few, but not not,you know there's, there's quite
a few out there, but I feel likeour goal is to provide not only
(50:27):
the traditional things stone,sage, you know the traditional
things that are on ametaphysical store.
But we've got our differentmerchandise that we've created.
That brings kind of a uniquetwist to it and gives you some
(50:49):
new stuff to kind of play with.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Be looking forward to the salty tarot cards.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, I did some oracle cards working on the
tarot cards.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
now the oracle cards are shit that your spirit guides
wanted to say.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Meant to say, meant to say and so it's going to be
the shit your guides meant tosay yeah, it's good and so it's
funny be the shit your guidesmeant to say yeah, it's good.
And so it's funny.
It's a funny rendition, it's afunny rendition.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
It's a good way to have a little kind of joyous
time.
It's against the total normalgrain of the spirit.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Right, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Where everything is love and light and kindness and
goodness, and the reality is is.
We like to repeat things andour spirit guys get irritated at
us get irritated.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
That is I mean, you know, not only spirit guys, but
I mean as a healer.
There's days where I'm like Ihave a client.
They come to me with theirissue.
I give them techniques to tryand homework.
They do none of it.
But they're back again the nextweek whining about the same crap
and there's times where I wantto look at them and say okay you
(51:54):
didn't do your homework well ifyou're not going to do the
homework and you're not going todo what I recommended you doing
.
You're not even at least goingto try it.
Right then, why are you back inmy office?
right except for me to collect apaycheck.
Yeah, like why?
Why are you even bothering ifyou're not truly ready for
change?
And you're not truly ready.
(52:15):
I just want to kind of like I'mgonna say what the bees yeah,
what are you doing, right like?
Get it together get it together, girl, but you know you want to
try and be nice andcompassionate and loving and
you're like okay, well, whydidn't you do your homework when
really inside of you you'rescreaming?
you're screaming at him like youbig freaking idiot of course
(52:40):
it's not gonna work if you'renot gonna do it yeah and so my
that's kind of how the OracleCards came about is I was kind
of just having one of thosemoments where I had to just kind
of vomit out the energy ofhaving a very frustrating couple
of days with clients like that.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
And what I truly want to say to them is beep, yeah,
yeah, totally.
Are you effing kidding me?
And that's, uh, that's how thatwork.
Our cards came about, is I feellike the funny side of things
is I could in my I could in mymind, envision our council and
(53:21):
our gods saying okay, you knowwhat?
We're freaking tired ofrepeating ourselves over this
bullshit.
Until the cords were born, itwas fun putting them together.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yes, it looks like you really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
I did.
I had a blast putting themtogether.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Anyway, guys, you feel complete.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, I mean, I can sit here and conversate all day
long, but I know, we're undersome weird time constraint.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Just thinking humans created a clock, anyway,
whatever.
Well, anyway, hey, don't forgetto like, follow and share.
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And our merch store will be outon Shopify and it's called the
(54:14):
salty tarot.
Hopefully be out on Monday, socheck that out as well also you
know, just as a reminder mold isa real thing, guys yes and
until this happened for me, Ididn't really give it much
attention.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Because I didn't really know what I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
I mean, you know, I've walked into a hotel room
and smelt it, but never paid anyattention to it, right.
And I've walked into places andsmell it and not pay any
attention, like we ate at arestaurant.
The other day and you noticedit and then that night we both
were having symptoms back.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
And I didn't know that, I didn't know you had seen
it and I started having thesymptoms.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
I was like dang, you know.
And then you were like, yeah, Iwas in the restaurant, you know
, even when we went to thatAirbnb that one time and you
could smell the mold indifferent sections.
Yeah, Make it okay in yourbubble to remove yourself from
the situation.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, make it okay.
So, Follow it.
But anyway, like follow, share.
Don't forget to.
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Ring that bell.
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Hey guys, we want you all to have one awesome day.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Love you day, love you Take care.
Thank you.
Good morning Grinders.
How is everybody?
Good morning, it's Dr Jenny inthe house.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What, what.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
What?
Anyway?
How are you this morning?
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I am great.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
For some reason my mic's acting a little funny this
morning.
Maybe adjust that and see ifthat works better.
I don't know.
My seat position is off.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Your seat position.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, something's changed here.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Maybe you've changed.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Maybe I got taller.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You're a different person than you were two seconds
ago.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Wow, that's good, you're right I am.
Which brings me to my topicactually for the day.
Unless you had one, did youhave a topic today?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh, my topic is about perception.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I feel like we've talked about that before.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Have we.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I feel like we have.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Perhaps we should do a different topic.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
No, because I have two.
No, if that's what's coming upto be visited and talked about,
then somebody out theresomewhere needs to talk about it
.
Unless you like the second one,I mean flip a coin Pink.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, two out of three.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's an indicator that one of them is where you
really want to go yeah, it'sabout.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
My second topic is what came up on the coin toss
actually.
Um, my second topic is aboutself-guidance.
I'm gonna I'm really don't knowhow to explain it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
When we, as humans, do things in our world and you
have other people around you,everybody does things a little
different yeah.
And that is all based upon yourbelief systems and everything
else.
You know, we kind of touched onthis topic the other day.
Yeah, based upon your beliefsystems and everything else.
You know, we kind of touched onthis topic the other day, yeah,
um, but the part of it is thatthat can that is coming to my
reality to talk about is aboutthe guidance by which we operate
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and how everybody around you orcan perceive it differently
than you.
And, and what I mean by that is, uh, take, for example, a crime
scene.
You have four witnesses to acrime scene.
All four of those witnesses andthis is like proven facts All
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four of these witnesses willgive completely different
statements about what they justwitnessed.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And so when we look at our guidance system through
that, what creates our guidancesystem through life is our past
beliefs, patterns and programs.
And, like this morning in ourcoffee talk between you and I,
we were just there's a littlething that I go by.
I call it the Webster Rule, andwhen we come across something
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in our reality, we acknowledgeit, then we define it and then
we decide whether or not to useit or not.
And when we come across thingsthat you define differently than
others, it makes you questionyour own guidance system.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Not always.
Well, it does me.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That's what I'm saying.
It makes me question okay, am Idoing this wrong?
Is my process wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, and that's definitely a trip up point in
the mechanism.
Yeah, that's definitely a tripup point in the mechanism is
that just because it makes youlook at it differently than
everybody else doesn't mean thatyou're doing it right or wrong.
Okay, I think that's why Ialways talk about how it's
somewhat important to come awayfrom that right or wrong
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template.
Yeah, right or wrong template.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Especially when you're talking about how you're
going about things, becausethere's not really I say this
very gingerly there's not reallya right or wrong way to go
about it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
What's the ginger to do with it?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Because the ginger part of it would be I'm not
implying by any means that yougo out and kill someone you
still have a jurisdictionalconstruct and laws that you
agreed to play in when you cameto this life, this planet, this
moment in time, and you agreedto figure your shit out within
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this construct as a contractualagreement agreed.
So there is a.
There is a formidable right orwrong when you're talking the
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concept of the big widemultiverse kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Okay, please elaborate.
You're the rabbit hole feature.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I do enjoy a good rabbit hole.
Well, I mean it goes back backto if you understand the
construct of the whole mechanismof the multiverse and the
different dimensions, realities,etc.
Even murder has its placebecause in the rabbit hole the
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two individuals, or three orfour, whatever that were
involved in that act did itbecause each individual wanted
to experience their characterrole within that part of the
play for their own evolution andgrowth.
Okay, and so even murder, asthe politically cleric society
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would deem inappropriate orwrong behavior, yeah, has its
place in the multiverse becauseeven though society views that
as a heinous crime, that's wrong, there is still growth and
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development that comes frombeing the murderer, the murdery,
the witnesses, the family of.
They each have the things thatthey wanted to experience that
cause a level of growth andevolution along this particular
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lifetime for them.
So in the rabbit hole worldthere's really not even a right
or wrong around those thingsthat traditional society deems
right and wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But because we live in this reality and in this
time-space continuum with therules and laws that we've agreed
to play by, so to speak.
We've agreed to play by, so tospeak, it is a right or wrong
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situation when you're talkingabout the heinous crimes of
murder and what have you, but weagreed to go on that journey
and participate in how to evolveand grow with that noise around
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us.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You know and that's actually a very good way to
explain some things that a lotof people don't understand in
their life.
You know, you use murder as anexample and there are many
serial killers out there thatcan't tell you why they did what
they did.
They just tell you what theydid and there are many people
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that go through situations inlife that can't identify why
they did what they did.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And that happens a lot people in some different
religious groups, or even justgroups of people you know
they're, they call it like fate,they call it all this other
stuff, but they really, deepinside, don't understand what
that means no, most people don't, because they don't take the
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time to really look at it andthen listen right, and it's just
a guidance system.
It can be human backed, it canbe contractual back, it could be
just part of your, so to speak,lack of a better word script
here on earth, right, and itgives you a higher justification
.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The whole thing of like we, I, I say often it's not
that any of this is happeningto you, it's all happening for
you because essentially youdecided what this play looks
like.
Looks like.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And you're creating it.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And you modify it accordingly, based on your free
will once you get here, tomodify any aspect of it yeah but
.
But I mean, you know, a lot ofpeople aren't there yet I agree
um, and that's what themetaphysical spiritual community
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tends to call.
You know thinning of the veilor going through the awakening
process.
What that actually means isthat you're coming back into
remembering who you naturallyare and how the whole mechanism
actually is.
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It's actually just an illusionthat you create for your own
experience, like you're not evenreal.
You're an illusion.
I created and I put in placethe criteria male partner, ai
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version of what I created sothat I have feedback or input
from that entity to furtherexpand the experience for growth
and development.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I know, totally on the same page with you, because
this, this is a a huge topic andif people were to look more at
their life, at a more, a more,uh, easier way of looking at
things, as everything happensfor a reason that lady at Burger
King that got pissed off at thecashier and through a fit out
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by the registers, it happenedand you were there because you
were supposed to be there forsome reason, right, and it's our
job as humans on earth.
When we're going through these,those kind of scenarios in life
, we have to use our guidancesystem, because it was put in
our presence, because that'swhat we agreed to do.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And when you're saying guidance system, you mean
our intuition, our higher selfour counsel that yes.
Not necessarily the guidancesystem we refer to as the
emotional guidance system,correct by itself.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
No the emotional guidance system is part of that,
Of course it is.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It's definitely part of the whole construct.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I mean sometimes it's sad, sometimes it's happy, you
know those things happen.
The whole construct.
I mean sometimes it's sad,sometimes it's happy, you know
those things happen.
And when we come to a place ofrealizing that, if you become
curious about life andunderstand everything that
happens within those reasonings,because of a contractual
obligation, and it's our job touse our guidance systems to work
through it, so we have theexperience.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
And that's where the key role comes into play, you're
going to have the experienceregardless.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Because that's set in motion.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But it's how you perceive it.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's how you perceive it and it's how you react to it
.
Is your.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
What the hell's going on around here?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, so.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
We have this cat-tastrophe going on okay.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We have cat-tastrophe .
Yeah, so we have two cats inour motorhome.
We're trying this out and it'snot really going well.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
They like to.
Jackson, if you're out there,hell yes, jackson, we have a
special needs cat and we have a,I guess uh, I don't even know
what's how old she is now almosttwo year old cat the ganger one
.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, she's a little over two and they're in this
trauma loop where they were partof a four cat household, and
one of the cats that's sincebeen rehomed was not being very
nice to the other two femalesand they now still see each
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other as this trauma threat.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So they go around being at each other being
territorial and agging.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I don't speak cats.
I don't know exactly what'sgoing on.
I'm I I diligently study thisbehavior that's going on.
That's quite crazy, it's crazyI mean it's intriguing, to say
the least, because they'll dothings like they'll eat their
treats and I can put their bowlsalmost side by side and they
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can be completely distracted forthat two or three minutes and
not give a shit what eachother's doing, and the minute
they're done and they walk awaythey start like stalking and
antagonizing each other.
Like right now.
What's going on is the youngercat's in the front of the house.
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She's sitting under the table.
The older cat's sitting on topof the table just staring at her
.
It's like they're just in thisstare down.
But when they come close to oneanother, the younger cat will.
It reminds me of the youngchild hollering.
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Mom, he touched me, that's whatit reminds me of, and he may
very well not even touched thechild.
He's just trying to figure outa way to get the older child in
trouble and be a little poophead maybe I don't even know
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But hey, if Jackson's listening, we could use your
help.
I know you only seem like allyour episodes are only in
California, but if you could flyto Florida and do this for us,
we'd appreciate it?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, definitely, we would appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Because we've tried all your tricks, bro.
We've tried to play.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
We're currently in a positive behavior modification
trial again, where we take ahigh-value treat, we put it in a
slow-feed bowl for each of them.
I literally sit in the floorand I nudge those bowls every
night closer and closer togetherto get them to equate each
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other's smells and presence withthe yumminess of this
high-valued treat.
I mean, that's currently whatwe're trying.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, including the play and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We wore them both smooth out, but they went right
to it as soon as we got themplaying, as soon as we got them
playing.
It's just crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They went right back to their.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
They're not using their guiding system very well.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
They're not and they're not dealing with their
own shit.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
They need some cat counseling.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
They need something.
Good grief, almighty.
Yeah, or else somebody needs toteach me how to speak meow.
Yeah, it's a foreign languagethat neither one of us is very
good at.
Yeah that's for sure.
I'm not even sure, honestly,that the older cat even knows
that she is a cat.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I don't even know.
Know she knows how to speak.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Meow honestly well, no, like I was watching willow
in the back yet this morning,when she was on the floor in the
corner, by the corner of thebed, and plumbly was up on top
of the bed and literally willowwas on the floor in the
defensive position blinking herbutt off yes supposedly the
premise is is that when cats dothe slow blink, that's like
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waving the white flag and it'slike okay we're friends we're
friends, everything's cool, likeyeah, no threat, and plumley
just looks at that.
Yeah, she has no idea what itmeans.
Plumlee's the older cat that.
I, maybe we need to startblinking at her.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
We've been told by the vets has some neurological
issues.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Feline vestibularitis , not just that, yeah, and there
was something else that theydiagnosed her with.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
She's wired differently for sure, and she
just looks at that.
And I don't even know if sheknows what that means.
She was literally raised byhumans.
I found her when her eyes werestill just barely coming open,
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and then her brother was a petrabbit.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So she only speaks rabbit of it, so she's confused
as hell, honestly, like shedoesn't know what she is.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Is she human, is she cat, is she?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I know what she is, is she's fat.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
She is.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
She's a pink-bellied fat cat.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Right, but in her defense you do give a lot of
candy bar treats.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I do.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
We call treats candy bars.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yes.
You do give a lot and she is inthe process of just having to
find a way to stalk this poorlittle cat down here.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
that's just rolled up by a yeah, to the point where
we've completely derailed ourtopic.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Our podcast topic and because they're not using their
guidance system.
So let's roll it back in, shallwe?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And maybe it's a contractual obligation for them.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And maybe it is, and maybe we're reading it totally
wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I will say this, though that it has gotten a
little better, because I noticedthey're not just instantly
hissing at each other now.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
But anyway.
So it's part of our realityright now, so that's why we're
talking about it like this, yeah, and humanly it is a little
frustrating.
It is frustrating man, it candrive you insane actually.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I don't know that it's to the point of driving me
insane.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean, her being up here is a different, her being
up here is a different.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Behavior.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah is a different behavior.
Yeah, Usually during the daythey go off and they get in
their little hidey holes andthey go to bed for the day.
That's when we get a lot ofstuff done, when you put the
kids down for a nap then you canreally get some stuff done.
I don't even know why they'reup today at this hour Because
we're in here doing a podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Probably If we were outside on the patio they would
be in sleep and right, wehaven't turned the lights out
and, like you, should seteverything down I mean like
she's gonna lay down and go tosleep now, close your eyes yeah,
and she went through that incomplete loop.
She started there and wentthrough this complete loop all
the way around, right back tothe same spot and lay down yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I mean tiny bits of progress.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, but anyway.
So back to the topic.
You know we have.
I have been going through thisthing of kind of reworking some
guidance system stuff, okay andand you know we discussed it a
little bit this morning becauseI got caught in this loop of
when we were going through thisexposure and not feeling.
Well, you know, I started toexperience stuff like that I
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never experienced before.
I normally have the memory, likeyou wouldn't believe.
Like I mean to the point I'vebeen told I have a photographic
memory and I can recall thingsvery well in a video type form
to where I can like rememberthings.
And when I started goingthrough this loop, probably
about a year and a half or soago, that got very bad for me
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and I quit.
It's like I couldn't do itanymore and so it kind of put me
in this trauma loop ofexercising my brain constantly.
I want to make, I want to findout what's going on, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, and you knowthat blah, blah, blah, blah, and
you know that whole scenario ofhyper, focusing on it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I like the cats are hyper focusing on it.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now, here you are, You're trying to link, link
things together here.
But the part of that is Istarted developing these habits
and these patterns of of um,human interaction into it, like
I would try to multitaskconstantly, I would play, play
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those those brain games on myphone.
I would do all these thingstrying to reassure myself and
make me feel better about what'sgoing on, when it was a human
experience that apparently maybeI was contractually obligated
to go through.
I don't know why.
Yeah, but the whole pattern hasdeveloped to where I constantly
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, even now, am putting myself inthis place of checking myself
constantly, not trusting inmyself.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, it's called a trauma loop.
Mm-hmm, and it is a habit thatneeds to be broke yeah, I mean
you're taking the first step,obviously, and that is catching
it bringing it to.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
My name is james and I'm a trauma victim.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I'm a trauma loopy I'm a trauma loopy experiencer
I'm a trauma loop I'm a loopytrauma loop anonymous trauma
loop, and so it's like, yeah,really I mean you're, you're
progressing beautifully, then,because the first step in any of
it is being aware that you'redoing it, because you know, when
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you've got a habit or you'vegot a some sort of trauma loop
going on, you first have tobring it to your forebrain and
be aware that you're doing itand not just be doing it on
autopilot.
Yeah, because that then givesyou the ability to catch
yourself doing it and then askyourself do I want to continue
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this habit or do I want tocreate a new habit?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, and you know, and I do realize that the best
you know because we doeverything historically off
beliefs and patterns andprograms, and I follow the Dr
Phil statement of the bestpredictor of future behavior is
past behavior.
And so, and how you create, isyou create new history and you
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create it in different ways.
And taking that first step ofcreate the new history which
creates a new pattern, then thenyou start rolling into the fact
of your human habits changebecause you've created new
patterns.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Okay, I'll let you have that one.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Okay, so would you like to elaborate on?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
that, oh no, it's a rabbit hole, and I feel like too
many rabbit holes putseverybody's brain on.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
If we keep this up, Walmart's going to run out of
carrots.
The spiritual grinder t-shirtWalmart's going to run out of
carrots.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
We do have merchandise coming.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And some of it's related to the rabbit hole in
the carrot sandwich.
I did make some t-shirtillustrations based on that.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, anyways, stuff coming your way the the whole
point of all of that.
This I guess this conversationfor me was bringing to the
forefront that that I have torealize and accept that I am not
only in a pattern based off aevent, but I'm also in a healing
pattern now.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Well, yeah, and that's the second part of it,
once you get to the awarenesspart is making sure you don't
get tripped up in the selfcriticizing or the self judgment
of where you are and andallowing yourself to be where
you are.
Yeah, you are and and allowingyourself to be where you are.
You know you, you went througha traumatic experience and so
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acknowledging that and givingthat energy space to be yes, let
me touch on that real quick.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Because a lot of people will register trauma
experience as something thathappened unexpectedly and trauma
experiences can be long-term,slow.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And you don't even realize you're in it.
Like for me, I didn't realizewhat was going on.
Well, into two years into it,right, and it was like just one
thing and it was slow.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And then when you get to that point of you're like
what the hell?
I mean, I went through, I putmyself through all sorts of crap
.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah, you know that you're not feeling good, and
society's taught us that onceyou reach a certain age, aging
happens.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
I thought I was getting old,that I had cancer.
I went through all sorts ofthings.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, I think that we both kind of embraced that
because we came into our 50s 5-0, and that's all you hear
sometimes about the negativeNancys and the naysayers is oh
God, you've hit the big 5-0.
Expect everything to fall andmalfunction and do all this
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negative shit and do all thisnegative shit.
And so then, when things beginto not function in your physical
body the way they used to yourgo-to, if you buy into that is
okay.
well, I guess this is what 50looks like I guess this is what
old age looks like and you letit just keep going on.
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And you let it just keep goingon.
And finally, your guidancesystem, your counsel, your
tuition, whatever they, finallyring the bell loud enough or in
the right direction where youcan actually hear and you say to
yourself wait a minute,something is just not right.
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Something is not right.
I can't put my finger on it, Idon't know what it is, but
something is not right.
There is something more to thisthan just I have turned 50 and
I'm aging.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I agree Because it's not a switch.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
That just should reaffirm to everybody that your
higher self and your counsel andyour guides, they don't give up
on you.
Right, they will continue totry and bring the message
forward in whatever way you havethe ability to hear them at the
time or are willing to listenat the time and and uh, and, and
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so eventually they will.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know, eventually, be it slow or fast, they'll get
your attention yeah and they'llput you on the right track I
agree, and that's really whatmay take longer than initially
intended or initially because Ihad this superman mentality, you
know, I felt like I could live,for I was going to live forever
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and.
But prior to this happening andI felt like I could take on the
world, every single day didn'thave a single thought in my mind
negative of getting turning 50and blah blah.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Never even crossed my mind yeah because I already
been past that point, because Iremember when my dad turned 40,
I started calling him old yeahyou know, now he's double that
and I remember there being atime where I would look at my
different family members whowere 40 and think, oh my god I
don't ever want to be 40.
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I must be so bad I'm so old,and then when I hit 40, it was
like oh okay.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And so I put myself through this thought process of
dang, this can't be.
I mean, things don't happenlike that, it just doesn't
happen that way.
And that was obviously myguides, or my higher self
telling me that.
And so I went through thiswhole process of what the f was
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going on.
And and so, man, I did, I couldput myself through a trauma loop
situation, and it was slow andprogressive across the course of
three years yeah and and now,you know, and, and even in my
lab work it shows now that I wasexposed to high levels of mold
and it was totally affecting myhealth.
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I mean, I had doctors trying togive me high blood pressure
medicine.
That one lady said my liverfunctions were down.
You know, I went through allthese things.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And the ENT was like I don't know what's going on,
but your vocal cords hate you.
Blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
They gave me this magicmouthwash and blah blah, and I
went through all this stuff andthey put me and, and then the
last one I went to the well, Idon't remember the cardiologist
or something, and they tried togive me a medicine for my heart,
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but yet he was said thateverything showed.
Okay, then why are you givingme medicine?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
right.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I think that happens more often than we realize why,
and so I mean literally, I waslike you know, I mean I'm not
going to take that pill becausebecause you, you just told me
that everything looks normal formy age, but yet you want to put
me on a medicine.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
That makes zero sense .
Yeah, you know where that comesfrom.
That comes from society wantinga quick-fix pill.
They want something.
They want the doctor to givethem something that will make
them feel better.
So the doctors have bought intothe okay, well, I've got to
give them something so that theywill feel better.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
They, you know, patients and society are not
okay with going to the doctorpaying their copay and the
doctor literally saying all yourshit's fine, I don't know, I've
got nothing for you, right?
That feels like crap whenyou're the patient and the
doctor don't get paid gets tired.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They get paid for the office visit but they get paid
more for diagnosis, right, ofcourse, yeah and.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But then they get a bad rap or a bad reputation or a
bad google or a bad Googlereview from the patient.
Because the patient's like Ifeel bad.
I went to this doctor.
He told me nothing was wrongwith me and he didn't give me
any medication.
So now, what am I supposed todo, right?
And so now doctors willprescribe the least risky thing
(32:05):
that they can in their specialty, right, so that the patient
walks away feeling like they didsomething, like the doctor did
something for them, rather thanfeeling like they were just left
to hang out and dry, like whenthis first started, and I went
to the doctor with the mobilenetwork and she came and saw me
and she was like well, because Ihad an ear, my ear mobile
network, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And she came and saw me and she was like well,
because I had an ear, my ear washurting, yeah, and and I kept
feeling like it was drainingdown my throat, which was
causing irritation.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
She put me through four back to backgrounds of
antibiotics and steroids.
What's anybody that knowsanybody?
You don't do that because ittotally stripped my system of
all good biotics and not oncedid she say, hey, take a
probiotic you took it anyway.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I did.
I'm an idiot in your reality,where you didn't know it either.
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well, I just wanted to feel better, and and, uh,
then she kept switching it allup and all this other crap.
And then, um, finally, when,when we discovered it, like now,
we've been out of it for aboutthree weeks.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And ringing in my ears is almost gone.
Yeah, I mean, it's barely therenow.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And so it just tells me that, okay, I get it Now, I
know, but it's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous the guidancesystem within that of how we are
trained as humans to approachthat, like you just said, people
expect to go to the doctorbecause they want medicines.
And you know, a lot of timeswhen people don't even realize a
steroid.
All it is is a.
It's a naturally producedchemical in your body and
(33:36):
they're just giving you more ofit.
So you get a bigger reactionfrom it and it reduces
inflammation and and it doesmake you feel better quicker.
But your body would do the samething, like them putting me on
this high, wanting to put me onthis high blood pressure
medicine.
Why my blood pressure now is110 over 70.
You can't beat that.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I mean, that's a really good blood pressure.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Most people are not those kind of patients where
they say mm.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
And I took it for a couple days, but man, it made me
feel like crap well, yeah,because your body doesn't need
it yeah, doesn't need it, that'syour body communicating to you.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean, I think the premise is that I would like to
hand out as a uh, healer,teacher, guidance doctor myself
is you have to be your ownadvocate, you.
It's just really important tocreate that conversation with
your body and learn what yourbody's trying to tell you and
(34:36):
and listen in and listen to yourguidance, like get in tune with
your intuition, get in tunewith the conversations that your
higher self's trying to have.
Tune with the conversationsthat your higher self's trying
to have.
If you are truly wanting to getto a place where you are
creating your own reality, it isa vital must that you formulate
(34:57):
that language between yourhigher self and your guides and
between your physical body Iagree, like you have to.
You have to have thatcommunication and you've got to
listen when your body's tryingto tell you something and ask it
questions and then listen forthe answers I agree totally and
the noise of the world around ustends to keep people distracted
(35:21):
from doing that anymore andthat's the difference between
our ancestors and the way thatwe live now is that they had a
lot less noise and they weremore in tune to their physical
body and their spiritual bodyand their energetic body, and
they lived more like that yesand as the time progressed on,
(35:44):
the noise and noise outside ofus got a little louder and it
and it had to right, because weneeded to have a platform, or a
stage, if you will, for learninghow to come back to our natural
self, come back to creatingthat communication, listening to
(36:08):
that, learning that languageyeah, through the noise yes with
the noise being there, becauseour ancestors did it and were
able to be very efficient at itwithout the noise.
Yeah, so that already happened.
So, as the generations move on,it's now our turn to figure out
(36:30):
how to do it with the noise andin spite of the noise yes and
that's what we're learning andpart of the collective um
awakening, if you will, orevolution I totally agree with
you is learning how to reconnectto ourselves, learning how to
re-establish that line ofcommunication with our physical
(36:53):
body.
You know what's?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
crazy.
What I find crazy about thatwhole scenario is how your
higher self has a way of havingyou do things and then we as
humans, because of the patternsthat we're in, don't recognize
it.
Like like we would go to thatIV joint.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
And I would get this massive IV because one of the
symptoms I was having was I feltvery dehydrated, my joints hurt
, and we would go get IV and siton the oxygen bar, not
realizing that the reason why myhigher self was directing me
there is because it wasrehydrating my joints and I was
sitting on oxygen for an hourand because I was inhaling bad
(37:30):
stuff.
Yeah, and it was kind of funnyto recognize that.
I recognized that this morningwhen I was sitting outside.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I was like, okay, it's a good indicator of
reminding everybody, and it's agood example that your higher
self always has your back.
Yeah, even if you don't havethe ability consciously to know
why or to recognize what's trulygoing on.
What's going on behind thescenes that you may not even be
(38:00):
able to conceptualize is for agreater concept, yes, and it's
always for the benefit of yourgreatest good always.
That's why I recommend startingto change what comes out of your
mouth.
This is not happening to me.
(38:20):
This is happening for me andlisten to.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know, because there are, and let me, let me
back up a minute.
I got ahead of myself a moment.
Most of the modern daymedicines today are based upon
herbs and being open andreceptive to a cleaner way of
doing it is a healthiermentality.
You know, like I became moreaware of you know, we started
(38:47):
doing these iv and oxygentreatment and they would put the
minerals and stuff in my body,not realizing that when I told
her that I needed, uh, notmagnesium, but what was the
other one?
um, realizing that that was thatwas spiritual guidance, 100
spiritual guidance because Idon't remember what it was, but
and making myself open to that,because I was like, why am I
(39:09):
saying to do this?
I really didn't know.
I just like, okay, let's justtry that.
And then I told one of ourfriends about it because, you
know, he had been diagnosed fora few years now with rheumatoid
arthritis.
And I reminded him of hisprevious occupancy where he
lived and he moved because ithad mold and so he sold the.
(39:34):
I mean he, he moved out of thehouse, bought his own home and
and, uh, now he, he is like downto minimal medication for it.
And so I reminded him of thatthe other day when we were
talking and he was like, oh, youknow what I forgot, all about
that.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
And then the communication that we had about
what's going on with us.
He, he went down to his doctorand his doctor put him on a some
kind of a fungal medication andhe hadn't taken his arthritis
and his arthritis medicine nowin almost three weeks Right, and
that's why they called Mold theGreat Mimicker and he started
going through this other therapyand we'll touch on it in just a
(40:14):
minute because it's somethingthat we're going to have a guest
speaker about, actually, and so, but being open and receptive
to whatever your body is tellingyou is okay.
Like I didn't take the bloodpressure medicine as we can
because of a pat I mean they.
I went through the patternprocess and my guidance system
to go to the doctor, but I knewit didn't feel right that they
(40:39):
were trying to give me.
I mean, how, all of a sudden,do I just end up with high blood
pressure?
Speaker 3 (40:43):
that's impossible well, I'm even down to taking it
and then having the senseenough to listen to your body
and say golly talk about theheadache.
That makes me feel yucky, andthat's not what my brain needs,
right?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
now I think I took it what?
two days, I think, maybe at themost, and I was like, yeah, I
can't do this, because it wasgiving me this massive headache
every day, and I was like notdoing this, yeah, and and so but
there's some people out therethat will just continue to take
it and how funny is it that youbought that machine and I laid
on your lap and you did thatmachine on my face and finding
out that that actually is aholistic way of removing that
(41:17):
stuff from our system I just dowhat I do yeah I know that was
kind of kind of funny, huh no Ijust do what I do, but staying
within your guidance system isokay.
Listen to yourself.
And I don't know how many timesin our career over the last six
years I have said these words.
Health care is always a choice.
(41:38):
There are so many people whoget caught up in.
I've got to do what my doctorsays, or my insurance company
won't pay.
That is not true anymore.
That has been changed.
Yeah.
And health, or my insurancecompany won't pay.
That is not true anymore.
That has been changed and healthcare is a choice.
You can walk out of thehospital any given time you want
.
Your insurance company stillhas to pay that bill.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
And it's.
I mean, you'll have yourco-pays and you'll leave what
they call, what AMA or something, which I don't even think that
means anything anymore, becauseI've seen it to where you know,
nobody has any problems withthat when they do leave.
But listening to your guidancesystem is important.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I absolutely agree with you.
That's the key takeaway isyou've got to give space to
listen to your own self andyou've got to give value to the
fact that it's your body andyou've spent how many years with
(42:34):
that body and go into a doctorthat you see once a month or
twice a month or even once aweek.
That's only been with you for acouple of years.
You don't have to do everysingle thing that they say to do
.
If it's not resonating with you, get a second opinion or
(42:55):
whatever.
But listen disclaimer I am nottelling anybody to stop their
medicines or bail out on theirdoctor.
You know there is a I literallywrote an article and I'm just
(43:16):
trying to decide which medicalmagazine I want to publish in of
the importance of coexistenceof modern medicine and holistic,
non-invasive medicine andhealing modalities.
They should be allies and theyshould be working together,
accentuating each other, workingtogether based on the
(43:38):
individual's belief system.
That's where you're going toget true healing.
That's where you're going toget 100%.
Feedback is if you figure outwhat your patient's beliefs are
around the topic or thediagnosis, and then you create a
(43:58):
regimen that is a la carte,basically based on what the
beliefs of that person are 100and your insurance company
should be a choice and yourinsurance company should have to
pay both ways.
That's right, whether it'sherbal, whether it's modern
medicine, whether it's a blendof those, whether it's you know
(44:20):
whatever that looks like,whether it's, you go and get
oxygen therapy and then you takea prescription medication
because it can be a mix.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Oh yeah, totally, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
And that's, I think, where we're missing it.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Totally, 100%, agree with you, and that article was
well written, by the way.
You should get that out.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I am.
I am just trying to decidewhich direction, which magazine
I want to put it in.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Or yeah, or put it on our own.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Or where I want to put it.
I totally agree, but it bringsme to a very good topic.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes, talking about alternative medicine.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
We are going to have a special guest on the next
podcast.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Where's the applause?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Oh wait applause.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
You're not using your buttons anymore.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh yeah, I haven't used my buttons in a minute.
Yeah, we're going to have aguest on.
Sorry, I was sitting back andrelaxing there.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
You were quite relaxed and reclined.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
But we have a gentleman joining us next week.
His name is Philip Wilson.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Philip Wilson.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
And he is a renowned expert in red light therapy.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I think it's called infrared.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Infrared, infrared.
And yeah, there's some kind ofspecial feature.
I'm going to let him get intodetails, because I don't know a
whole lot about it.
Yeah, and, but he owns acompany called Relax Sonos and
he's going to be on with us nextweek on one of the podcasts.
It looks like we're probably onthe next one we post.
I'm waiting for confirmationfrom him.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
And where's his facility located?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
He has them all over the country.
It's mobile.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I see.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
But he is an expert in that therapy treatments and
he reached out to us about whenwe dedicated our podcast to the
mold toxicity syndrome andtrying to help people.
He reached out to us and wantedto interject his knowledge into
how the benefits of red lighttherapy can help with toxicity
(46:22):
and with any toxicity is the wayhe made it stand.
But I'll let him talk about itmore.
But y'all can check him out onthe web.
He is on multiple sites OnFacebook.
It's called Relax Sauna onFacebook.
His website is relaxsaunascomand his YouTube is Relax Saunas
(46:43):
and he puts out a lot ofinformation on it.
His bio is quite elaborate.
He's been doing this for 26years after Sorry, I've got a
cat interfering right here andcheck him out online before he
comes, and I'm going to put allof his links into our
(47:04):
description.
I will send that to the editorso she can do that.
Yeah, and into the descriptionof this.
Will send that to the editor soshe can do that, yeah, and into
the description of this podcastand the one next week, and so
you can check him out before youlisten.
Once again, his name is PhilipWilson and he is an alternative
medicine expert.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Yeah, definitely, and always feel free to reach out
to us, just like you did, if youwant to be a guest totally on
the show and bring your topic in, or if you're not quite ready
for uh for that and you want usto still, like, conversate about
(47:39):
your issue, your topic, your uhcuriosity, whatever it it is.
There's no rules.
We will literally talk aboutanything.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
I love.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Anything spiritually I mean depends.
We just talked about our catsfor 30 minutes.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
We talk about.
I feel like we kind of talkabout anything honestly.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
We really do yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Whether it be which brings up daily topics for those
virtual grinders or whatever Itotally agree.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
And hey, um another thing dr jenny's book is out
scripted from within it is.
It's on amazon and kindle.
I'm still working on the audioaudible setup for the.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, there is one thing.
I noticed that when I orderedmy author copies it didn't print
with the page numbers, but thepage numbers are uploaded in
there.
So if you're finding the earsor don't have page numbers
either, let us know.
Yeah, send us an email Becausethere's some sort of weird
glitch, let us know.
Yeah, send us an email.
(48:47):
Because, there's some sort ofweird glitch.
The page numbers are in themanuscript and they're uploaded
in the thing.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
For some reason it printed without them.
I don't know if I had it thewrong color.
Maybe I need to look at that.
Maybe I need to look at thecolor of the page number.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, because the books that I got the one that I
looked at it didn't have anypage numbers.
The one that I looked at itdidn't have any page numbers, so
sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
If it prints that way for you, just take your pencil
and write them in.
I mean, there's documentationon there.
This is a group interactionbook.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, this is what it is.
We're going to write ittogether.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Hey, and we're working on our merch store
called the Salty Tarot.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
I'm hoping to have it ready and open up and running
by Monday.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
I ready and open up and running by monday.
I was hoping to have it lastmonday, but, man, there's a lot
more to that than I realized.
Yeah, getting an e-commercestore up is not the easiest
thing to do.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
It definitely has multiple steps, very intricate
yeah, especially if you're goingto sell internationally,
because all the tax rates andall that stuff, yeah, and the
shipping cost, you have to makesure that your shippers are
right and right.
Otherwise you can totally screwyourself and end up having to
pay for somebody's stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah, yeah, we're trying to get it up and running
so that people have a place toshop for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
She had it on her arm and was playing with it.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
She put it with a bracelet.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
But anyway.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
Trying to get everything loaded up and ready
so that people have christmasgift options in the metaphysical
world.
Um, so there ain't that manystores out there online.
I've seen a few, but not not,you know there's, there's quite
a few out there, but I feel likeour goal is to provide not only
(50:27):
the traditional things stone,sage, you know the traditional
things that are on ametaphysical store.
But we've got our differentmerchandise that we've created.
That brings kind of a uniquetwist to it and gives you some
(50:49):
new stuff to kind of play with.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Be looking forward to the salty tarot cards.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, I did some oracle cards working on the
tarot cards.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
now the oracle cards are shit that your spirit guides
wanted to say.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Meant to say, meant to say and so it's going to be
the shit your guides meant tosay yeah, it's good and so it's
funny be the shit your guidesmeant to say yeah, it's good.
And so it's funny.
It's a funny rendition, it's afunny rendition.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
It's a good way to have a little kind of joyous
time.
It's against the total normalgrain of the spirit.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Right, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Where everything is love and light and kindness and
goodness, and the reality is is.
We like to repeat things andour spirit guys get irritated at
us get irritated.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
That is I mean, you know, not only spirit guys, but
I mean as a healer.
There's days where I'm like Ihave a client.
They come to me with theirissue.
I give them techniques to tryand homework.
They do none of it.
But they're back again the nextweek whining about the same crap
and there's times where I wantto look at them and say okay you
(51:54):
didn't do your homework well ifyou're not going to do the
homework and you're not going todo what I recommended you doing
.
You're not even at least goingto try it.
Right then, why are you back inmy office?
right except for me to collect apaycheck.
Yeah, like why?
Why are you even bothering ifyou're not truly ready for
change?
And you're not truly ready.
(52:15):
I just want to kind of like I'mgonna say what the bees yeah,
what are you doing, right like?
Get it together get it together, girl, but you know you want to
try and be nice andcompassionate and loving and
you're like okay, well, whydidn't you do your homework when
really inside of you you'rescreaming?
you're screaming at him like youbig freaking idiot of course
(52:40):
it's not gonna work if you'renot gonna do it yeah and so my
that's kind of how the OracleCards came about is I was kind
of just having one of thosemoments where I had to just kind
of vomit out the energy ofhaving a very frustrating couple
of days with clients like that.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
And what I truly want to say to them is beep, yeah,
yeah, totally.
Are you effing kidding me?
And that's, uh, that's how thatwork.
Our cards came about, is I feellike the funny side of things
is I could in my I could in mymind, envision our council and
(53:21):
our gods saying okay, you knowwhat?
We're freaking tired ofrepeating ourselves over this
bullshit.
Until the cords were born, itwas fun putting them together.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yes, it looks like you really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
I did.
I had a blast putting themtogether.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Anyway, guys, you feel complete.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, I mean, I can sit here and conversate all day
long, but I know, we're undersome weird time constraint.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Just thinking humans created a clock, anyway,
whatever.
Well, anyway, hey, don't forgetto like, follow and share.
Check out our website atwwwthemerccentersorg.
That is spelledT-H-E-M-E-R-C-C-E-N-T-E-R-S, dot
org.
That is spelled T-H-E-M-E-R-C,c-e-n-t-e-r-s, dot.
Org.
And our merch store will be outon Shopify and it's called the
(54:14):
salty tarot.
Hopefully be out on Monday, socheck that out as well also you
know, just as a reminder mold isa real thing, guys yes and
until this happened for me, Ididn't really give it much
attention.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Because I didn't really know what I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
I mean, you know, I've walked into a hotel room
and smelt it, but never paid anyattention to it, right.
And I've walked into places andsmell it and not pay any
attention, like we ate at arestaurant.
The other day and you noticedit and then that night we both
were having symptoms back.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
And I didn't know that, I didn't know you had seen
it and I started having thesymptoms.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
I was like dang, you know.
And then you were like, yeah, Iwas in the restaurant, you know
, even when we went to thatAirbnb that one time and you
could smell the mold indifferent sections.
Yeah, Make it okay in yourbubble to remove yourself from
the situation.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, make it okay.
So, Follow it.
But anyway, like follow, share.
Don't forget to.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Ring that bell.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Hey guys, we want you all to have one awesome day.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Love you day, love you Take care.
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