Kara Anaya, Children's Advocate and Druidic Shaman, takes us on a transformative journey exploring the delicate dance between ego and echo in our psyches. She reveals how these seemingly opposing forces can be paired to create internal harmony rather than conflict. "When I go too high, echo brings me back. When I go too low, ego lifts me up," she explains, offering a practical framework for self-regulation that parents can both use and teach.
The conversation shifts to a revolutionary perspective on raising today's unique children. Kara challenges conventional thinking about neurodiversity, suggesting that nonverbal children aren't broken but are instead allocating their energy differently—often developing extraordinary telepathic abilities while verbal communication may emerge later. "They're saying we will not be boxed anymore," she observes about the new generation's refusal to conform to outdated expectations.
We explore how authenticity trumps perfection in parent-child relationships. When children express wanting to be "normal," Kara offers a compassionate approach: ask them what normal means to them, then help them navigate toward authentic self-expression. She suggests that our belief systems combined with our emotional states create our reality—children naturally mirror the energy we project, whether frustration or love.
The most empowering message emerges in Kara's passionate reminder to parents: "You are the expert." While methodologies and expert opinions flood the parenting space, no one knows your unique child better than you do. Even in our darkest moments as parents, we remain redeemable, capable of growth, and worthy of self-compassion—a message that extends to our children as well.
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Kara Anaya (00:00):
believe that these energies that are coming in now
are really about bringing inthis type of unconditional love
and and getting beyond, gettingto the point that we have unity
with diversity instead ofduality, because we have to
change it.
Duality what does duality evenmean?
Think of the word.
(00:20):
It means to fight to dualduality.
We want unity in diversity.
Diversity is good.
We like that, and that's whatthey're bringing in and they're
making us really.
One of the things that we hadtalked about is that we're we
all kind of have a certainamount of time allotted in the
day.
This is the box that we'vecreated.
(00:41):
We have time allotted withinthe day.
We have energy allotted withinthe day.
When our soul comes in, we kindof do the same thing.
We allot our energy into thebody in similar ways.
Carrie Lingenfelter (00:54):
Hi Conscious Parents.
It's Keri here and I am herewith a little info about raising
our mindful kids.
I've got some tips and tricksabout breaking free of the box
and becoming who you are andteaching your kids how to do
that along the way, join us Hithere and welcome back.
I'm so excited you guys.
I have Kara Anaya of Children'sAdvocate, druidic Shaman,
(01:17):
anamorphic High Priestess heretoday and I'm so excited to
connect with you.
I feel like we have parallelsin our lives that we're going
through, living throughchallenges that have taught us
to connect deeper withinourselves and really find
ourselves.
Thanks so much for being here,kara.
Kara Anaya (01:33):
Oh, you are so welcome.
I'm so glad to be here today.
Carrie Lingenfelter (01:37):
Yes, and I wanted to jump right in.
You were talking about echoesand ego.
Kara Anaya (01:42):
Part of my path getting to this part, like the
one within the spiral path, thisjourney that we're all in right
, I realized that I was fightingbetween ego and what a lot of
people call imposter syndrome.
But I've renamed it to echobecause it's either an echo of
my own doubt within me orsomething that happened in the
(02:03):
past, or an echo from somebodyelse saying something to me.
One of the echoes I used tohave all the time was from my
mom.
I love her to death, but shewould say, if you eat that, it
will make you fat.
So that was a belief system Iwas creating, and I'm going to
talk to you about creation,because this is a huge one.
But we're going to finish egoand echo first.
So I renamed it echo, right?
(02:23):
So I realized I was kind offighting between ego and echo.
Ego was like telling me oh,you're amazing, wonderful and
taking me too high.
And echo was literally sayingyou need to just go die right
now.
You're the worst parent in theworld.
There's nothing that you willever be able to do to save
yourself from this one, you know.
And when I realized I wasfighting between these two kind
(02:46):
of forces, I said, okay, we gotto pair these babies up.
So now, anytime I go too high,echo comes back and goes.
Really, remember your friendthat did that, because it
doesn't even need to be my Echo,right?
Remember your friend walkeddown that path.
Or remember the last time wedid that, do you want to go
there?
And then, when I go too low andmy echo saying you might as
(03:07):
well just end it, you're, you'reno good Ego comes in and goes
uh-uh, nope, uh-uh.
We fought through all of thesetimes and it reminds me of how
amazing I am and I paired themup.
They're just two sides to thesame coin.
So I paired those babies up andnow I have, like this, balance
within.
Carrie Lingenfelter (03:32):
I love that so much.
I feel like almost I've beentalking to my son about Harry
Potter.
He's reading Harry Potter rightnow and I feel like there's the
two sides that Harry has withinhim, like he has the Voldemort
kind of the evil and then he haslike the pieces from his
parents, like the unconditionallove from his parents.
I guess that's a littledifferent, but it just makes me
think of that piece.
Kara Anaya (03:49):
Yeah, well, and it's something we can take it and
that's what we're doing withinourselves too, and then even
smaller.
You know, it's there.
There's the micro and the macroof everything, and it's the
beautiful part, because when weshare our stories, like she
shared these amazing storieswith us, it helped us remember
so much of ourself within.
So these books and thesesharings are really what we
(04:13):
should be doing, instead ofteaching and learning.
As far as I'm concerned, itshould be sharing and
remembering, because we have thebuilding blocks within us.
We've just forgotten, we'vemade ourselves so small.
So many people just believethat the body is all that they
have, this physical vessel isall that they have, and they
don't recognize the unseen,which is everything else, and
(04:36):
it's so much bigger, it's huge.
I mean, think of the feelings,the emotions, the thoughts.
These are all unseen things.
These are all unseen things,and when we can pair those two
up together too, it gets magical.
It gets Harry Potter magical,it really does.
Carrie Lingenfelter (04:54):
It does, and it's interesting.
My son is so drawn to that he'slike what if?
we have that.
I'm like we can have it, we do,we have it.
Let's talk about it, dude.
So I'm thinking you hadmentioned to me earlier when
somebody put something out there, like I do with the podcast,
and I'm like this is what worksfor us.
It may not be the exact thingthat somebody is doing in their
journey.
(05:15):
Aiki has been a modality thathas really opened everything up
for me.
It helped me to heal pieces ofmy past inner child pieces, the
echoes, pieces that really wouldcome up.
Now I have this modality thathelps me to connect with myself
and to heal these pieces ofmyself, and that's what worked
for me, and at first I was likethat's what everybody needs,
(05:37):
like you had mentioned.
So, we all have our own path andour own journey through how we
connect with ourselves.
Kara Anaya (05:43):
I just did a post about this today, keri.
Literally I just did a postabout this today.
No, I'm not kidding.
I'm not surprised that thisenergy is coming back, because I
did a post about unconditionallove and why I send
unconditional love.
Even in prayers I don't send.
I hope that you feel bettersoon.
(06:04):
I hope that you are healed.
I have no idea what you needright now.
If I put any expectations ontoit, then I send you energy that
is blocked and waiting forparameters to be kept that you
don't even know about because Ihaven't expressed those to you.
I've just sent you energy andit's just hovering now around
(06:25):
you in your field.
So, yes, it has to be eachperson's path.
They're sharing and remembering, because what I'm going to
remember, that will help me.
You're thinking, oh, I'm goingto share this story Because this
is the lesson that I think theyneed.
It could be totally somethingbass-ackwards and it helps me
tremendously, but not for thereason that you were aware and
(06:49):
that's it ignites something newright it ignites something
within you.
Yes, the sharing and remembering, the teaching, the whole I'm
going to teach you something is.
I'm going to put it into a boxand if you only do it this way,
it will only work this way.
I don't, I don't want, I'mtired of boxes.
I want to share and remembertogether.
(07:11):
Yes, we, we create the boxes sothat we can share together.
Look what I have.
It's a, it's a pretty pair ofglasses.
You know, here's my box, do youlike it?
But we don't have to be sorigid that we say, oh, it must
only be done this way, becausethe way that this box was
created can be many differentways, you know.
So I, I'm loving this.
Carrie Lingenfelter (07:33):
I love.
Kara Anaya (07:33):
I would love to hear your thoughts on these kids
coming in we believe that theseenergies that are coming in now
are really about bringing inthis type of unconditional love
and getting to the point that wehave unity with diversity
instead of duality, because wehave to change it.
(07:54):
Duality what does duality evenmean?
Think of the word.
It means to fight to dualduality.
We want unity in diversity.
Diversity is good.
We like that and that's whatthey're bringing in and they're
making us really.
One of the things that we hadtalked about is that we're we
all kind of have a certainamount of time allotted in the
(08:16):
day.
This is the box that we'vecreated.
We have time allotted withinthe day.
We have energy allotted withinthe day when our soul comes in,
we kind of do the same thing.
We allot our energy into thebody in in similar ways.
So a lot of the kids that arenonverbal, that are stepping in,
are opening up their telepathicabilities.
(08:38):
See the duality.
We have duality right, sothey're choosing to go
telepathically instead of verbalDoesn't mean that communication
isn't happening, and any parentof these nonverbal kids knows
it's occurring because they havestepped into it one way or
another themselves one way oranother.
Either they're noticing the waythat they're sitting, like with
(09:00):
my son Evan, if he would sitnext to me, even if he had his
hands crossed and he had thisyou know attitude of whatever he
was next to me.
He wanted that.
You know this is the child thatdid not like touch, did not
like you know.
So a lot of parameters I wasdealing with.
I was trying to figure out hisbox.
It was very crazy.
He was the one that wasnonverbal until he was about six
(09:22):
.
I didn't hear I love you untilhe was seven.
But then when he said I loveyou, I knew he meant it to the
core.
That boy will love me forever.
You know he does not throwwords like that around.
He's mad at me right now, bythe way, but he loves me.
So I get it, I've been there,yeah, but so I think what
(09:44):
they're really doing right nowis establishing that, that unity
in diversity, and they'rebringing it in their own unique
form, and each one is so, sodifferent that we can't even try
to box them.
They're saying we will not beboxed anymore, we will no longer
be your sheep.
There are no sheep here none,and that's the energy that I'm
(10:08):
getting from these kids.
They are so unique we have tostop and look at them separately
, and that's what we need to bedoing with each other too, by
the way.
We're each sovereign, you'reamazing, you're beautiful.
If no one told you that today,Same to you, Kara.
I love it.
Carrie Lingenfelter (10:23):
I think that's beautiful.
Yes, sharing this unconditionallove.
Kara Anaya (10:29):
That seems to be the theme right now, today again,
the best way to connect withanybody is just to be
authentically yourself.
But we've forgotten who we evenare.
I took a long hot minute toeven figure out what I like.
Remember Ego echo, ego echo.
So it was like was I choosingthis because this ego aspect of
(10:52):
you know?
Whatever, because that's whatsociety said I should do.
Carrie Lingenfelter (10:54):
Connection, I think is a piece.
Kara Anaya (10:56):
Authenticity is the best way to do it.
Even if you are being notpretty and not beautiful, even
if you're crying, even if you'rejust not okay, being authentic
about it but not being being, Ineed you to save me, I need you
to fix me, I need you to dosomething in order for this to
(11:18):
be okay.
Being authentic within yourtrue rawness, even at your worst
, is better any day of the week.
Then, ego or echo you know, youknow the way we talk to each
other, the way we interact witheach other.
I'm constantly, every singleday, going what belief system do
(11:39):
I need to step into?
Do I need to shift?
Do I need to change or do Ineed to adapt in order for this
what I want to happen to come tofruition?
Okay, our belief system is, inmany ways, our identity.
It is the ego and the echo.
So, when we have belief andthen we add an emotion now think
(11:59):
of that how often are theemotions that we're adding that
are frustration?
Even when we're helping ourkids or each other, we're
frustrated from it.
So what are we gonna get backfrom the situation?
Okay, we're gonna getfrustration from the kid.
They're frustrated from it.
So what are we going to getback from the situation?
Okay, we're going to getfrustration from the kid.
They're going to reflect itback.
They're the best little mirrorsin the world.
We reflect love and light tothem.
(12:20):
They will pick it up and startreflecting it back.
Okay, so the emotion that weadd into it and then the action
that we do.
What action is it that we'redoing to get the creation moving
?
Okay?
So the best way to find thisunity within is to give yourself
a whole lot of grace.
(12:40):
Give yourself a whole lot ofgratitude and every time you
have any thought that comes toyou that you dislike because
it'll start with dislikes, okay,those are the ones that we are
most apparently aware of okay,any thought or even situation
that comes to you with dislike,step into gratitude for it and
step into unconditional love andstep into the highest love that
(13:03):
you can possibly see.
You know I have all these otherduetic amazing short, but I
have the balances to all of ittoo, and I am constantly
balancing it within me.
You know choosing to be,because we're not just one
person, you're not just Carrie,I'm not just Kara.
You know your mom, your wife,your doctor.
(13:24):
You know when the kids come in,we become.
We become everything toeverybody in some way, shape or
form.
Or we can choose to who do wechoose to be?
I'm choosing love period.
I choose the unconditional love.
It's balanced, it's noparameters, it's not saying I'm
(13:44):
going to show up if you do X, yand Z.
So that's where, if I can giveone piece of advice to help
people connect to beauthentically true, a, the
kiddos know, when you're not,kids can feel it within them.
Still, when you come out of thebathroom and you've just been
crying and you're trying tosmile and be okay, your kids
(14:07):
feel your energy.
We are literally teaching ourchildren to deaden the feeling
of their energy by notacknowledging it.
Carrie Lingenfelter (14:16):
Yeah, Yep, I let my kids see me cry.
Yeah, there's moms that don't,but oh, yeah, they see me.
Mom, why are you crying?
Now Tell me, is it grandma?
Do you miss abuela still?
So sometimes I use that as anexample, as I can if I can't,
but yes, they see the cry.
I I will say some of the kidscoming in and I I don't know if
(14:38):
this often is the kids with,like the PDA, I don't know if
you know the pathological demandavoidance, you know really
avoiding those demands on oursystem.
And so I'm trying to say so thethe perfect person, the normal
quote, unquote person is not mywords.
That's what my 10 year old ispicking up.
I want to be the normal personand my seven year old, I want to
(15:01):
be the normal person.
That's how I receive love, Eventhough mom has always given
unconditional love, dad hasalways given.
Both of us are very, veryconnected with them
unconditional love Dad hasalways given.
Both of us are very, veryconnected with them, and it's
just the world, it's ourpersonality.
I don't know.
Kara Anaya (15:17):
This is the key that they're trying to give you.
I want to be normal.
No-transcript.
Tell me what normal looks likeand then let's step into it.
What does normal feel like toyou, buddy, you know?
And let's, let's step into that, because it may be something as
(15:37):
small as I don't want to dothis one thing anymore, or to to
whatever, and and, and.
We can help them shift that,because a lot of times what they
are considering normal is likeway outside the box of what we
are, you know.
So I would really step in and belike okay, let's put this down
(16:00):
on paper, let's see what normallooks like and let's start
walking this and let's make sureit feels authentic to you.
You know every step of the way.
It's not my authenticity,because they come down here in
many ways as a vibrational blankslate.
They have the unconditionallove that we all have.
(16:23):
But guess what?
It starts, the duality startscoming on right and it could be
that they have huge sensoryissues.
So sounds really bother them,or touch really bothers them, or
these things really bother them.
And when we step intorecognizing, maybe that's the
one thing that they want to benormal.
(16:45):
Not all of me.
Like what's his name from thatmovie.
That just was.
That just came out, the reallive action how to train your
dragon, right?
He's, like you just pointed to,all of me Cute.
(17:06):
So I would, I would step in andgo what does normal look like
for you?
And then try to break it down,because sometimes, even if they
are verbal I know for me I'mverbal I had a hard time
expressing what that looked liketo somebody else.
And, as parents, most of theparents I've worked with okay,
(17:26):
99.9% of the parents I've workedwith have been I am game to do
whatever I need to do to help mykids, right.
So it's like, with that kind ofcommitment, that is a huge
commitment.
It's a huge commitment.
Anything is possible.
They told me my kid would benonverbal forever.
(17:47):
They told me they wanted to puthim in day programs.
They wanted to, you know.
And now he owns two.
Does he own two houses?
I can't remember, but he'smarried, he's a foreman with his
own truck.
He's amazing, beautiful.
So this possibility is onlythere if we believe it.
Carrie Lingenfelter (18:08):
Okay, I love it.
So okay, I was going to say Ithink my last question for you
is what would you tell parentsraising kids today?
What's your favorite thing toshare?
Kara Anaya (18:22):
You are the expert period.
Yeah, you're going to read alot of things.
What I found?
I have a book that's coming outcalled the Many Faces of Autism
and I'm still working with itbecause I have a whole new
chapter.
I have a couple new chapters,so it's kind of amazing.
But the books that I found thathelped me the most were the ones
(18:43):
that just shared.
This is what we did.
They weren't trying to push anagenda, don't push me.
You're Jenny McCarthy, bs.
Okay, I'm glad it worked foryou.
Share your story to me.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry but it is.
It really is, and I've friggingran those circles and I don't
mean to call her out.
It was an amazing pathway shedid and she's an amazing woman.
But when you get stuck on, thisis the only way to do it, then
(19:07):
the parents, like me, where itdidn't friggin work, feel
horrible.
Ok, so you are the expert.
I don't know you and I friggintrust you.
I know what you've been through.
You are amazing, you arebeautiful.
If I had one word keep beingyou, keep shining, keep going
strong.
(19:27):
You are doing absolutelyamazing.
Go find those books thatresonate with you.
Keep shining, keep going strong.
You are doing absolutelyamazing.
Go find those books thatresonate with you and follow
those.
And when your friend tells youdo X, Y and Z, walk away because
they don't know They've notwalked your path.
You're amazing, right.
Carrie Lingenfelter (19:43):
Yes, Beautiful.
So many parents need to hearlike to follow themselves and
that they're not alone.
Everybody there's so many of us.
And if they're saying that thatthey haven't gone through
struggles as a parent, they'renot being authentic, because
we've all had our moments in ourown journeys.
Kara Anaya (20:03):
One more thing, I don't care the thoughts you've
had or how bad it's gotten onyour journey.
Okay, people, because we've allbeen there, one of the things I
did I want to share this quickstory.
I went and I talked at acollege level and these were,
these were kids becomingteachers, you know, in this
wonderful land of no child leftbehind, where they just threw
(20:24):
all of our kids together andgave them no supports, and they
said well, we had a parent sayone time that they had a thought
that it would just be easier todrive their car into that semi
than it would be to continueliving the life that they've led
.
And I said you're doggone,right, we've had those thoughts,
(20:46):
but we're stronger becausewe're still here.
So every one of you is stronger.
You're here, we've had thosethoughts, but we're stronger
because we're still here.
So every one of you is stronger.
You're here.
We've had those thoughts.
Okay, whatever they are, andsometimes we've done things that
we're not even proud of, butyou're still here.
That doesn't make you into abeast.
Only, if you continue to walkdown that line, you are amazing.
(21:09):
People, I love you.
Sorry, I'm sorry.
I felt that because so manytimes people think I'm
unredeemable.
Well, guess what?
Our kids are feeling that too.
They feel unredeemable, and itdoesn't matter.
Everyone.
Everyone can step back and makedifferent choices.
It is possible, yeah.
Carrie Lingenfelter (21:28):
Yeah, beautiful.
Thank you so much, kara.
We appreciate your journey andsharing your journey with us.
Kara Anaya (21:35):
Absolutely.
Carrie Lingenfelter (21:36):
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believe that these energies that are coming in now
are really about bringing inthis type of unconditional love
and and getting beyond, gettingto the point that we have unity
with diversity instead ofduality, because we have to
change it.
Duality what does duality evenmean?
Think of the word.
(00:20):
It means to fight to dualduality.
We want unity in diversity.
Diversity is good.
We like that, and that's whatthey're bringing in and they're
making us really.
One of the things that we hadtalked about is that we're we
all kind of have a certainamount of time allotted in the
day.
This is the box that we'vecreated.
(00:41):
We have time allotted withinthe day.
We have energy allotted withinthe day.
When our soul comes in, we kindof do the same thing.
We allot our energy into thebody in similar ways.
Carrie Lingenfelter (00:54):
Hi Conscious Parents.
It's Keri here and I am herewith a little info about raising
our mindful kids.
I've got some tips and tricksabout breaking free of the box
and becoming who you are andteaching your kids how to do
that along the way, join us Hithere and welcome back.
I'm so excited you guys.
I have Kara Anaya of Children'sAdvocate, druidic Shaman,
(01:17):
anamorphic High Priestess heretoday and I'm so excited to
connect with you.
I feel like we have parallelsin our lives that we're going
through, living throughchallenges that have taught us
to connect deeper withinourselves and really find
ourselves.
Thanks so much for being here,kara.
Kara Anaya (01:33):
Oh, you are so welcome.
I'm so glad to be here today.
Carrie Lingenfelter (01:37):
Yes, and I wanted to jump right in.
You were talking about echoesand ego.
Kara Anaya (01:42):
Part of my path getting to this part, like the
one within the spiral path, thisjourney that we're all in right
, I realized that I was fightingbetween ego and what a lot of
people call imposter syndrome.
But I've renamed it to echobecause it's either an echo of
my own doubt within me orsomething that happened in the
(02:03):
past, or an echo from somebodyelse saying something to me.
One of the echoes I used tohave all the time was from my
mom.
I love her to death, but shewould say, if you eat that, it
will make you fat.
So that was a belief system Iwas creating, and I'm going to
talk to you about creation,because this is a huge one.
But we're going to finish egoand echo first.
So I renamed it echo, right?
(02:23):
So I realized I was kind offighting between ego and echo.
Ego was like telling me oh,you're amazing, wonderful and
taking me too high.
And echo was literally sayingyou need to just go die right
now.
You're the worst parent in theworld.
There's nothing that you willever be able to do to save
yourself from this one, you know.
And when I realized I wasfighting between these two kind
(02:46):
of forces, I said, okay, we gotto pair these babies up.
So now, anytime I go too high,echo comes back and goes.
Really, remember your friendthat did that, because it
doesn't even need to be my Echo,right?
Remember your friend walkeddown that path.
Or remember the last time wedid that, do you want to go
there?
And then, when I go too low andmy echo saying you might as
(03:07):
well just end it, you're, you'reno good Ego comes in and goes
uh-uh, nope, uh-uh.
We fought through all of thesetimes and it reminds me of how
amazing I am and I paired themup.
They're just two sides to thesame coin.
So I paired those babies up andnow I have, like this, balance
within.
Carrie Lingenfelter (03:32):
I love that so much.
I feel like almost I've beentalking to my son about Harry
Potter.
He's reading Harry Potter rightnow and I feel like there's the
two sides that Harry has withinhim, like he has the Voldemort
kind of the evil and then he haslike the pieces from his
parents, like the unconditionallove from his parents.
I guess that's a littledifferent, but it just makes me
think of that piece.
Kara Anaya (03:49):
Yeah, well, and it's something we can take it and
that's what we're doing withinourselves too, and then even
smaller.
You know, it's there.
There's the micro and the macroof everything, and it's the
beautiful part, because when weshare our stories, like she
shared these amazing storieswith us, it helped us remember
so much of ourself within.
So these books and thesesharings are really what we
(04:13):
should be doing, instead ofteaching and learning.
As far as I'm concerned, itshould be sharing and
remembering, because we have thebuilding blocks within us.
We've just forgotten, we'vemade ourselves so small.
So many people just believethat the body is all that they
have, this physical vessel isall that they have, and they
don't recognize the unseen,which is everything else, and
(04:36):
it's so much bigger, it's huge.
I mean, think of the feelings,the emotions, the thoughts.
These are all unseen things.
These are all unseen things,and when we can pair those two
up together too, it gets magical.
It gets Harry Potter magical,it really does.
Carrie Lingenfelter (04:54):
It does, and it's interesting.
My son is so drawn to that he'slike what if?
we have that.
I'm like we can have it, we do,we have it.
Let's talk about it, dude.
So I'm thinking you hadmentioned to me earlier when
somebody put something out there, like I do with the podcast,
and I'm like this is what worksfor us.
It may not be the exact thingthat somebody is doing in their
journey.
(05:15):
Aiki has been a modality thathas really opened everything up
for me.
It helped me to heal pieces ofmy past inner child pieces, the
echoes, pieces that really wouldcome up.
Now I have this modality thathelps me to connect with myself
and to heal these pieces ofmyself, and that's what worked
for me, and at first I was likethat's what everybody needs,
(05:37):
like you had mentioned.
So, we all have our own path andour own journey through how we
connect with ourselves.
Kara Anaya (05:43):
I just did a post about this today, keri.
Literally I just did a postabout this today.
No, I'm not kidding.
I'm not surprised that thisenergy is coming back, because I
did a post about unconditionallove and why I send
unconditional love.
Even in prayers I don't send.
I hope that you feel bettersoon.
(06:04):
I hope that you are healed.
I have no idea what you needright now.
If I put any expectations ontoit, then I send you energy that
is blocked and waiting forparameters to be kept that you
don't even know about because Ihaven't expressed those to you.
I've just sent you energy andit's just hovering now around
(06:25):
you in your field.
So, yes, it has to be eachperson's path.
They're sharing and remembering, because what I'm going to
remember, that will help me.
You're thinking, oh, I'm goingto share this story Because this
is the lesson that I think theyneed.
It could be totally somethingbass-ackwards and it helps me
tremendously, but not for thereason that you were aware and
(06:49):
that's it ignites something newright it ignites something
within you.
Yes, the sharing and remembering, the teaching, the whole I'm
going to teach you something is.
I'm going to put it into a boxand if you only do it this way,
it will only work this way.
I don't, I don't want, I'mtired of boxes.
I want to share and remembertogether.
(07:11):
Yes, we, we create the boxes sothat we can share together.
Look what I have.
It's a, it's a pretty pair ofglasses.
You know, here's my box, do youlike it?
But we don't have to be sorigid that we say, oh, it must
only be done this way, becausethe way that this box was
created can be many differentways, you know.
So I, I'm loving this.
Carrie Lingenfelter (07:33):
I love.
Kara Anaya (07:33):
I would love to hear your thoughts on these kids
coming in we believe that theseenergies that are coming in now
are really about bringing inthis type of unconditional love
and getting to the point that wehave unity with diversity
instead of duality, because wehave to change it.
(07:54):
Duality what does duality evenmean?
Think of the word.
It means to fight to dualduality.
We want unity in diversity.
Diversity is good.
We like that and that's whatthey're bringing in and they're
making us really.
One of the things that we hadtalked about is that we're we
all kind of have a certainamount of time allotted in the
(08:16):
day.
This is the box that we'vecreated.
We have time allotted withinthe day.
We have energy allotted withinthe day when our soul comes in,
we kind of do the same thing.
We allot our energy into thebody in in similar ways.
So a lot of the kids that arenonverbal, that are stepping in,
are opening up their telepathicabilities.
(08:38):
See the duality.
We have duality right, sothey're choosing to go
telepathically instead of verbalDoesn't mean that communication
isn't happening, and any parentof these nonverbal kids knows
it's occurring because they havestepped into it one way or
another themselves one way oranother.
Either they're noticing the waythat they're sitting, like with
(09:00):
my son Evan, if he would sitnext to me, even if he had his
hands crossed and he had thisyou know attitude of whatever he
was next to me.
He wanted that.
You know this is the child thatdid not like touch, did not
like you know.
So a lot of parameters I wasdealing with.
I was trying to figure out hisbox.
It was very crazy.
He was the one that wasnonverbal until he was about six
(09:22):
.
I didn't hear I love you untilhe was seven.
But then when he said I loveyou, I knew he meant it to the
core.
That boy will love me forever.
You know he does not throwwords like that around.
He's mad at me right now, bythe way, but he loves me.
So I get it, I've been there,yeah, but so I think what
(09:44):
they're really doing right nowis establishing that, that unity
in diversity, and they'rebringing it in their own unique
form, and each one is so, sodifferent that we can't even try
to box them.
They're saying we will not beboxed anymore, we will no longer
be your sheep.
There are no sheep here none,and that's the energy that I'm
(10:08):
getting from these kids.
They are so unique we have tostop and look at them separately
, and that's what we need to bedoing with each other too, by
the way.
We're each sovereign, you'reamazing, you're beautiful.
If no one told you that today,Same to you, Kara.
I love it.
Carrie Lingenfelter (10:23):
I think that's beautiful.
Yes, sharing this unconditionallove.
Kara Anaya (10:29):
That seems to be the theme right now, today again,
the best way to connect withanybody is just to be
authentically yourself.
But we've forgotten who we evenare.
I took a long hot minute toeven figure out what I like.
Remember Ego echo, ego echo.
So it was like was I choosingthis because this ego aspect of
(10:52):
you know?
Whatever, because that's whatsociety said I should do.
Carrie Lingenfelter (10:54):
Connection, I think is a piece.
Kara Anaya (10:56):
Authenticity is the best way to do it.
Even if you are being notpretty and not beautiful, even
if you're crying, even if you'rejust not okay, being authentic
about it but not being being, Ineed you to save me, I need you
to fix me, I need you to dosomething in order for this to
(11:18):
be okay.
Being authentic within yourtrue rawness, even at your worst
, is better any day of the week.
Then, ego or echo you know, youknow the way we talk to each
other, the way we interact witheach other.
I'm constantly, every singleday, going what belief system do
(11:39):
I need to step into?
Do I need to shift?
Do I need to change or do Ineed to adapt in order for this
what I want to happen to come tofruition?
Okay, our belief system is, inmany ways, our identity.
It is the ego and the echo.
So, when we have belief andthen we add an emotion now think
(11:59):
of that how often are theemotions that we're adding that
are frustration?
Even when we're helping ourkids or each other, we're
frustrated from it.
So what are we gonna get backfrom the situation?
Okay, we're gonna getfrustration from the kid.
They're frustrated from it.
So what are we going to getback from the situation?
Okay, we're going to getfrustration from the kid.
They're going to reflect itback.
They're the best little mirrorsin the world.
We reflect love and light tothem.
(12:20):
They will pick it up and startreflecting it back.
Okay, so the emotion that weadd into it and then the action
that we do.
What action is it that we'redoing to get the creation moving
?
Okay?
So the best way to find thisunity within is to give yourself
a whole lot of grace.
(12:40):
Give yourself a whole lot ofgratitude and every time you
have any thought that comes toyou that you dislike because
it'll start with dislikes, okay,those are the ones that we are
most apparently aware of okay,any thought or even situation
that comes to you with dislike,step into gratitude for it and
step into unconditional love andstep into the highest love that
(13:03):
you can possibly see.
You know I have all these otherduetic amazing short, but I
have the balances to all of ittoo, and I am constantly
balancing it within me.
You know choosing to be,because we're not just one
person, you're not just Carrie,I'm not just Kara.
You know your mom, your wife,your doctor.
(13:24):
You know when the kids come in,we become.
We become everything toeverybody in some way, shape or
form.
Or we can choose to who do wechoose to be?
I'm choosing love period.
I choose the unconditional love.
It's balanced, it's noparameters, it's not saying I'm
(13:44):
going to show up if you do X, yand Z.
So that's where, if I can giveone piece of advice to help
people connect to beauthentically true, a, the
kiddos know, when you're not,kids can feel it within them.
Still, when you come out of thebathroom and you've just been
crying and you're trying tosmile and be okay, your kids
(14:07):
feel your energy.
We are literally teaching ourchildren to deaden the feeling
of their energy by notacknowledging it.
Carrie Lingenfelter (14:16):
Yeah, Yep, I let my kids see me cry.
Yeah, there's moms that don't,but oh, yeah, they see me.
Mom, why are you crying?
Now Tell me, is it grandma?
Do you miss abuela still?
So sometimes I use that as anexample, as I can if I can't,
but yes, they see the cry.
I I will say some of the kidscoming in and I I don't know if
(14:38):
this often is the kids with,like the PDA, I don't know if
you know the pathological demandavoidance, you know really
avoiding those demands on oursystem.
And so I'm trying to say so thethe perfect person, the normal
quote, unquote person is not mywords.
That's what my 10 year old ispicking up.
I want to be the normal personand my seven year old, I want to
(15:01):
be the normal person.
That's how I receive love, Eventhough mom has always given
unconditional love, dad hasalways given.
Both of us are very, veryconnected with them
unconditional love Dad hasalways given.
Both of us are very, veryconnected with them, and it's
just the world, it's ourpersonality.
I don't know.
Kara Anaya (15:17):
This is the key that they're trying to give you.
I want to be normal.
No-transcript.
Tell me what normal looks likeand then let's step into it.
What does normal feel like toyou, buddy, you know?
And let's, let's step into that, because it may be something as
(15:37):
small as I don't want to dothis one thing anymore, or to to
whatever, and and, and.
We can help them shift that,because a lot of times what they
are considering normal is likeway outside the box of what we
are, you know.
So I would really step in and belike okay, let's put this down
(16:00):
on paper, let's see what normallooks like and let's start
walking this and let's make sureit feels authentic to you.
You know every step of the way.
It's not my authenticity,because they come down here in
many ways as a vibrational blankslate.
They have the unconditionallove that we all have.
(16:23):
But guess what?
It starts, the duality startscoming on right and it could be
that they have huge sensoryissues.
So sounds really bother them,or touch really bothers them, or
these things really bother them.
And when we step intorecognizing, maybe that's the
one thing that they want to benormal.
(16:45):
Not all of me.
Like what's his name from thatmovie.
That just was.
That just came out, the reallive action how to train your
dragon, right?
He's, like you just pointed to,all of me Cute.
(17:06):
So I would, I would step in andgo what does normal look like
for you?
And then try to break it down,because sometimes, even if they
are verbal I know for me I'mverbal I had a hard time
expressing what that looked liketo somebody else.
And, as parents, most of theparents I've worked with okay,
(17:26):
99.9% of the parents I've workedwith have been I am game to do
whatever I need to do to help mykids, right.
So it's like, with that kind ofcommitment, that is a huge
commitment.
It's a huge commitment.
Anything is possible.
They told me my kid would benonverbal forever.
(17:47):
They told me they wanted to puthim in day programs.
They wanted to, you know.
And now he owns two.
Does he own two houses?
I can't remember, but he'smarried, he's a foreman with his
own truck.
He's amazing, beautiful.
So this possibility is onlythere if we believe it.
Carrie Lingenfelter (18:08):
Okay, I love it.
So okay, I was going to say Ithink my last question for you
is what would you tell parentsraising kids today?
What's your favorite thing toshare?
Kara Anaya (18:22):
You are the expert period.
Yeah, you're going to read alot of things.
What I found?
I have a book that's coming outcalled the Many Faces of Autism
and I'm still working with itbecause I have a whole new
chapter.
I have a couple new chapters,so it's kind of amazing.
But the books that I found thathelped me the most were the ones
(18:43):
that just shared.
This is what we did.
They weren't trying to push anagenda, don't push me.
You're Jenny McCarthy, bs.
Okay, I'm glad it worked foryou.
Share your story to me.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry but it is.
It really is, and I've friggingran those circles and I don't
mean to call her out.
It was an amazing pathway shedid and she's an amazing woman.
But when you get stuck on, thisis the only way to do it, then
(19:07):
the parents, like me, where itdidn't friggin work, feel
horrible.
Ok, so you are the expert.
I don't know you and I friggintrust you.
I know what you've been through.
You are amazing, you arebeautiful.
If I had one word keep beingyou, keep shining, keep going
strong.
(19:27):
You are doing absolutelyamazing.
Go find those books thatresonate with you.
Keep shining, keep going strong.
You are doing absolutelyamazing.
Go find those books thatresonate with you and follow
those.
And when your friend tells youdo X, Y and Z, walk away because
they don't know They've notwalked your path.
You're amazing, right.
Carrie Lingenfelter (19:43):
Yes, Beautiful.
So many parents need to hearlike to follow themselves and
that they're not alone.
Everybody there's so many of us.
And if they're saying that thatthey haven't gone through
struggles as a parent, they'renot being authentic, because
we've all had our moments in ourown journeys.
Kara Anaya (20:03):
One more thing, I don't care the thoughts you've
had or how bad it's gotten onyour journey.
Okay, people, because we've allbeen there, one of the things I
did I want to share this quickstory.
I went and I talked at acollege level and these were,
these were kids becomingteachers, you know, in this
wonderful land of no child leftbehind, where they just threw
(20:24):
all of our kids together andgave them no supports, and they
said well, we had a parent sayone time that they had a thought
that it would just be easier todrive their car into that semi
than it would be to continueliving the life that they've led
.
And I said you're doggone,right, we've had those thoughts,
(20:46):
but we're stronger becausewe're still here.
So every one of you is stronger.
You're here, we've had thosethoughts, but we're stronger
because we're still here.
So every one of you is stronger.
You're here.
We've had those thoughts.
Okay, whatever they are, andsometimes we've done things that
we're not even proud of, butyou're still here.
That doesn't make you into abeast.
Only, if you continue to walkdown that line, you are amazing.
(21:09):
People, I love you.
Sorry, I'm sorry.
I felt that because so manytimes people think I'm
unredeemable.
Well, guess what?
Our kids are feeling that too.
They feel unredeemable, and itdoesn't matter.
Everyone.
Everyone can step back and makedifferent choices.
It is possible, yeah.
Carrie Lingenfelter (21:28):
Yeah, beautiful.
Thank you so much, kara.
We appreciate your journey andsharing your journey with us.
Kara Anaya (21:35):
Absolutely.
Carrie Lingenfelter (21:36):
Well, that's a wrap.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
Changemakers.
This is Kari, and if youhaven't done a review for us
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