March 24, 2025 • 33 mins
Coach Mo gives us a Masterclass on how to fill out your NCAA Tournament Bracket. Coach Mo breaks down how to pick a winner between a team from a mid-major conference and a power five conference. We use VCU from the Atlantic 10 vs BYU from the Big 12. On Youtube you can see how and where Coach gets and uses information to pick winners.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the s S Experience on SMG recording
in progress.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, what up? Do y'all know what y'all listen to?
It's another edition of the Coach Most Show. Got Coach
Maurice Sumter in the building right now, sitting back watching
some good old NC double A college basketball?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Right now? Coach? What game are you watching right now?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I had the Louisville Creighton game on. I just did
some stupid with my remote, so I just lost the game.
But I'm about to.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Go, oh yeah, I stopped watching that, Like, I just
finished doing some producing and stuff, so I just cut
the TV quote unquote.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
On or whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm watching Houston play Southern Illinois Edwardsville. I was gonna
peep Wisconsin and who's Wisconsin just playing Wisconsin in Montana?
But they just went to the half, so I ain't
trying to be watching the halftime stuff right now. I
want to get James popping off. What cho are you
(01:01):
watching it on TBS or some TBS?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Gotcha? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I got a little three two three games set up
here on my computer, my TV and my other computer screen.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
So we'll be here rocking and rolling, all right?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Cool? Cool, cool, all right.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So, by the way, I did pick this Creighton win,
the nine eight Creighton win.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh you did?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Okay, okay, nice, nice, No, I have not done I
have not done a bracket yet. You know what I'm saying.
I kind of been like so busy plugging my own bracket.
I forgot to actually like do the bracket or whatever.
But we're gonna talk a little bit about, you know
what I'm saying, how to maneuver the bracket real quick,
because I probably would have picked Nah, you know what,
(01:48):
I probably would have picked Craiighton too, because Louisville wasn't
all of that in the acc for real, for real,
So I probably would have picked that too if I
was like really really thinking about it, because it's not
that far fetched. I wouldn't have said it would have
looked like that though, where it was like one point
in time they was like down twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's when I cut it off, like right when it
was like down twenty going into the half, like oh yeah,
this is trash.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Let me just do some work real quick.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, it's dude, Sampson right there, Coach Sampson.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
I don't even know. She looking like a crank again.
I'm trying to switch over to the.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah I got the yeah I got said I got
Houston on.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know what, I'm saying that the one seed playing
the sixteen Sea's twenty four to eight. So I'll probably
jump off of this in a second. Let me see
who else is on TV right now. Okay, we talked
about Montanna, Wisconsind and the half all right, per doing
high point. I guess we can do that one cuz, yeah,
that Create in Louisville. J Yeah, that Jane was dirty work. Bro.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I jumped off that bandwagon early.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, like I ain't had time for that, so little coach.
But before we started, though, so let me go ahead
and put out an n Cuba bread at real quick,
because you.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Want to.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Kind of break down how to I mean, I guess
most people probably already done the racket, but just in
case if you haven't, because everything hasn't went down yet,
how to break down the brackets. So let me go ahead,
and oh, they going Obama bracket right here. Obama be
doing these these brackets, but I ain't talking about here.
Let me find my joint real quick. Okay, let me see,
(03:31):
so I guess I can't talk about the one seed
versus sixteen seed.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Huh, Florida Norfwak state the waste of time this year.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I just want to give Norfolk say it a little
bit of love and you know, shout out to the bat.
You know what I'm saying, Shout out to the city.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, I don't want to say that's a waste of time.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, no, no, no, no, no it is.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I'm just I'm just we just moved it over to
we keeping it real, but still just want to talk
them up a tab it shout out.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm picking like.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's I'm always go with the Home too. Whatever Norfolk's
in it, maybe Hampton, I'm I'm gonna go with them
just because I can't help myself. So I'll take a
few l's just to just to represent Home.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It happens, but we're gonna keep it, but we're gonna
keep it real that we're not gonna take that one.
So look, I got one for you because there is
a Virginia team that I do uh support from AFAR,
especially from a national scale. So I have my first
round matchup I want to break down which I think
if I'm not mistaken, this game comes on after Wisconsin
(04:25):
and Montana, and it's the v CU b YU matchup
v CU of the Atlantic ten and b YU of
the Big twelve, which is crazy to say.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Great matchup, great match up to look at. Let me
go pull that up real quick, because.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, so you have analytics, you have things that you
know you can use to you know, basically pick a winner.
If I'm looking at Obama's bracket, which I am, Obama
pencil VCU to beat b YU.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah, no, I don't think any between many people be
surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
No, I I'm I'm I definitely wouldn't be.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Neither.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
V c U VCU Under a coach Shaka Smart used
to get out the mud.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Oh yeah, I played. I played against some Smart team.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I played against Anthony Grant, that Anthony Grant team and
that shot Smart team.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I have met who was who was the who was
the point guard for one of those squads, one of
like Rodriguez or something. I've seen him at. I seen
him at I seen him at a party, you know
what I'm saying? Like, uh, I think it was like
right after like around that time, Like the hell you doing?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I here?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Like man, just out here kicking and ship like you know,
like dam I thought you'd be you know what I'm saying, somewhere,
you know what I'm saying, not outside, but Homie was
outside chilling. Know what I'm saying, living life, You know
what I'm saying. It's not all about basketball all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, man, it's it's you know, basketball player like that
have a little fun time of time, not too much.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
All right, So let me let me get so I
So we're gonna go ahead and get into I know
you got a bracket that you I mean, a matchup
that you want to do. But this game's about to
come on TV and it's VCU. You know what I'm saying.
How we're gonna how we're gonna start looking at this matchup?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Alright? Well first, man, first, and for I go from
top to bottom.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I'm looking at on the ESPN site. Man, wish I
should share my screen with you, right See, I gotta
turn my camera on the ship on my screen.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know how that works on zoom.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
All right, I do it.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Give me one second. Let me just get the screens up.
I want real quickly.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Now because I can, because I'm about to I'm about
to follow along with you. I got my tablet next
to you know what I'm saying. I got the game
on deck, got my jack in the hand, no diddy.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yeah, uh all right, so boom.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
So when I when I first started pulling up because
I ain't you know, I watch a lot of games.
I used to watch even more games, but you know,
with my own team I watch, I don't get to
watch as many, especially on the men's side. Uh so
I try to step the date on the women's stuff.
So if if I start on top to bottom, what
screen are you looking at? Are you on the bracket
screen or what screen are.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
You looking at?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'm about to Actually I'm on ESPN dot com.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Just you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I just gonna follow along with you as far as
you know, talking about.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
You got vcu B while you're at the top.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm still I'm still in the process of pulling them
up real quick. But now go ahead, go ahead, I'm
gonna catch up.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I just sent you a request to share a screen.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Oh shit, well hold on, let's cut the ship. I
shore you got screen sharing capability. Hold on, I don't know.
I don't know if this stuff is gonna get into
the recording. But let's see, okay, cool share.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
All right, Well man, I just lost the ship screen just.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So look what I was gonna do, right, just for
the sake of what we was doing. I was gonna
wear I was gonna wear my University of Virginia jersey.
Then I thought about it for a second.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I was like people who wear jerseys. Yeah, yeah, we're good.
We're good, We're good. So hey, cut your camera on too.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You might as well no sense since you got full
you know what I'm saying, visual presentation. I'm saying, this
is good YouTube worthy stuff if you can, cause there
you go.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah right now.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So I won't get into the camera, but we can
we can talk over to the voice over whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but no but real quick though, So
if you wear your if you like. So, I was
gonna wear University of Virginia jersey, you know what I'm saying.
But the men and women ain't in March madness. So
it's kind of like people who wear jerseys at events
when their team's not in it, trash or not.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I don't see why you would.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But I mean, I think you can wear what I
realize you can wear any jersey, any sport. If I
go to NBA games and college games, they got all
kinds of stuf. But usually with college no, you're not
really wearing I mean, march Man, you represent your school. Yeah,
so I think it's cool because you represent your school
either way.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Okay, Okay, you know out Okay, okay, because I was.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Just about to say, like when people go to the
Super Bowl and they wear a jersey and their team's
not in it, It's like, bro, it's cool that you're here,
but we don't need you to We don't need you
to have your Buffalo bill shit on.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
This ain't about Truman to just represent football, man. They
just like the game.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And that's what I was just saying. We just cracking jokes.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I should I should go get my University of Virginia
jersey now just to rep for the for the for
the Gang. We had a good Tony Bennet conversation. Go
back and listen to that Episode'm gonna loaded up in
a minute. So coach man, you got visual presentations. You
know what I'm saying, because I was on the just
to let you know, just just just for you to
see you real quick, you know what I'm saying. I
was on the site as well. Like I said, I was,
I was gearing up to it. But we're following you, coach,
Go ahead, what you want to show us?
Speaker 5 (09:46):
All right?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
So close matchups, we're gonna talk about close match ups VCUS,
especially because of you know, we're gonna up Virginia all day.
Oh I got inside beef for VC.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
They beat us twice, but I cooked them a little bit.
But we need to hear know that. But but with VCU,
it's all right.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
So first I go look at the records, twenty eight
and six, twenty four nine, all right, you said that's
about even. I got a theory on which I went
with both sides today, going with thirty to thirty win teams.
I think winning thirty games is separation in a lot
of ways from a lot of teams, you know. But
so VCU being closer at twenty eight and then you know,
twenty four, not too bad, not too different, not too
crazy difference in conference, Hold on, b while you and
(10:26):
the big they just went to the big oh big too, okay,
by the same conference basketball same all right, so boom,
So I'll go to it like this. I look at
the record, all right, twenty eighty six, No big disparity there.
Eleven six seed, no big disparity there. Okay, so now
let's just as we go down the list. All right,
we got scoring, So just v VC you at the
(10:48):
top leading scores. Cool, fifteen points a game versus sixteen
with a leading score top rebound of seven point nine.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
So no big disparity there.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And even if I, even if I have to, I
go down the list because the second leading score is
gonna matter.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I let me go back.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I thought this game is leading score for s matchups,
but full player stats, yeah, where.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
They'd in do that?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
But whatever case may be, all right, cool, so look
at their first lease squad. I used to go look
at the second leading score, maybe see.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
What they're at.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
So if I got two people that averaged seventeen to
a game, that's thirty four points accounting for already my
team average, what's seventy something points a game, that means
my role players.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
But then when you got two threats versus one threat,
so I got to play the average twenty five and
the next player average twelve seven to six. Now you
know I only got to stop one player that plays
a factor too. Depend on how good that players is
because the star player creates shots. So your defense can
be as great as you want it to be if
the star player can get in spaces that you know
you don't account for. Now you're creating close outs and mishaps.
(11:45):
But I don't getting too deep into that. But all right,
so then last last five games. I always value the
team that's hot going into the tournament. That's a big
deal to me.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
All right.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Stumbling into the tournament is never a good sign because
teams get better throughout the year, teams get worse throughout
the year, injuries, things like that. So now looking at
they last five, all right, these are the last five.
I wish I had them on the.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
App because the app shows there their best five games.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
But this day, last five, okay, last five four to one,
last five four and one.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
They ended with a loss. They ended with a big
time win against George Mason. Shot to Tony skin Head
coach at George Mason used to rock with that guy
back in the day, man playing ball in the DMV area.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
But but all right, so boom, not a whole lot there.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Competition wise, Yeah, they probably went against tough for competition.
But let's just look at the overall schedule out of
six losses. Let's see their power wins.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
We're looking at vc A, We're looking at VCU, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
This is a VCU. Okay, all right, Dayton's a pretty
quality win. So this is their their.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Conference schedule, So this is normal conference schedule. Right here,
they beat Boston College early US. It's gonna tell us
here lost the Seaton Hall was a good team.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Oh, this is why you were saying that stuff. Okay,
got you? Got you? Well, well, since you brought it
up real quick, you know what I'm saying, and it's
just in the flow of conversations, since you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
We see November twenty nine. What happened?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Man?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Oh that was our boys.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But I don't know what I'm bugging. I'm so bugging.
I'm so bug I'd be forgetting, but keeping.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
That was our boys. No, it's all good.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I mean, it's one of them games with D one
D two matchup, you know, just difference it usually it
usually gets the gap is widening around player four through nine.
Four through nine is where the gap comes in. One
through three are probably somewhat similar to the same level one,
one and two maybe unless you got an NBA guy
and it's going to be one A, one B and
(13:38):
then you know the other team, but you know he
didn't know there, So win at Colorado State, New Mexico.
Saint Louis typically a good program. Not sure they record
this year.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
They split with them. It looks like so that's you
know what I'm saying, a wash.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, exactly, Saint Louis. But that means the quality matchup, Uh,
George Mason. They beat George Mason earlier in the year
and beat him to win the championship. So quality, quality, conference,
quality schedule. Dayton's always a tough matchup. Actually though, when
I played against v U Dayton, the Dayton coach, Now
I can't think his name?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Uh great? Great?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Was it was it Gregory?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
No?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Anthony Grant? No, not Anthony Grant. Uh oh man, I
gotta find his name. I gotta find his name. Hold on,
I can't go no further if I find his name,
because he does really good things in the industry.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well Shire, Well, why are you doing that? I was
looking at I was just looking at by U's schedule.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You was looking at.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
The the quality wins that they have. I guess we're
just talking about their rank wins, is Anthony the one
the one non conference well, yeah, the one non conference
game that they played that was ranked was Mississippi and
(14:57):
they lost that in overtime, lost to Houston, lost in Arizona,
both of them was ranked. Then they beat Kansas Arizona.
Then what you were saying early, do you come into
the tournament on the hot streak? I mean they lost
the last game, which I guess was the conference championship,
(15:19):
but I had won like non straight leading up to it.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, exactly, so that I would consider that hot coming
to the tournament. You beat Kansas State, You beat Kansas
who was in the tournament Arizona, who was in what
I think who used to have to beat to get
to the championship, who was I think the number one
seed in that conference? Number two? Uh beat the Iowa State.
You beat the Utah who was a quality program. Iowa
(15:41):
stayed again and then lost to Houston. I mean in
the Smoker they got smoked by twenty. But let me
see the first game they played each other and they
lost by twenty again, so that's an interesting stat to
hold on to right there. You lost it to beat
them by twenty twice in conference game, but they played,
they played in the conference championship.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So who's that the Conforce championship.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
That as one of the season, the last one on
the schedule.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So they lost in the semi finals, yeah, on the
fourteenth Friday would be semi finals probably Saturday's champ Saturday
Sunday championship. So E did a quarter or the semifinals. Nevertheless,
So so now we got a team that won the
championship and the team that lost in the quarterfinals. That's
a that's a thing, that's a high, that's a uh
(16:23):
energy that you're taking to the tournament. A right, So
let me go back a little bit. All right, cool,
So now as far as quality wins and quality opponents,
I'd have to go with BYU on that note. All right,
they do have they're in a higher level conference. They
played against more ranked teams, more higher level teams, more
teams in the tournament.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yep, all right, So let's see here.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
So now I want to go to the numbers. I
need to go to the team stats. See let me
see see this don't have it like it has on
on the app. I wish it was like that, but
all right, so let me go to go to VCU
team stats first, and when I'm going to team status
(17:07):
is because this will tell me about what the team
does on a consistent basis.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
All right, so seventy seven points a game.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, Like even on the app, it's like a more
or less like roundish you know, quote unquote.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
About direct matchup.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Why the semi teams It says team full team status
and then send me like everybody in the country status.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I had to, like when I was doing it on
the phone, I had to like backtrack real quick and
like end of that joint through another way.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Now, this is a basketball geeks way of picking people,
by the way, so I don't think everybody expects to
go through.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
The brow Like I ain't gonna cap, but I'll be
using a basketball reference, y'all.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
No, I don't like Basketball reference because it's a lot
of scrambled scrambled a little bit for me, man, because
because I'm because I'm so involved with the finding stats
every day, I know the quick way to get to
the stats, the exact stat.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
That I want.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, like when I have to like when I have
to remember history and all of that shit. You know,
I'm saying be like, shoot that uh that basketball reference
that had what you need no cap.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah, I definitely I definitely use it for that for
that for that reason.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But no, like VC, like I said, I tell people
all the time like VCU is a and the Atlantic
ten in general is a very very like quality style conference.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean it's like it's like the people that could
have went to like a Kentucky and all of that stuff,
but just like one little quirky thing might have you know,
maybe it was grades, maybe it was a off the
field type or off the court type situation or whatever.
It's it's something real minor, or maybe the person just
didn't want to freaking travel for So the Atlantic ten
(18:48):
has a lot of good quality individuals or whatever I
mean throughout their whole conference. So I'm never surprised when
you know a VCU or.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Shoot in recent history.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Remember VCU George Mason going to the Final four. So
it's definitely a good quality I mean, University at Dayton,
I'm not I don't think they were. I think you know,
the COVID year, the COVID year, they could have been
a number one seed. I remember that for sure, because
COVID messed up college basketball during that season and leading
(19:24):
up to you know, after the conference tournaments, Dayton was
projected to be a number one seed. So again just
to base, basically say, the Atlantic ten is a dope conference.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So you got your stats up real quick, coach, So
what we're looking.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
At, all right?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
So now let's look, we're looking at stats, said the
average seventy eight points a game, all right, versus you know,
the opponent sixty two. That's just right here. Seventy eight
points a game, all right. So then we got three point.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
They hit. Nine to three is a game, all right.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
So let's see here, rebounds per game, thirty eight rebounds
per game, fifteen assists, eleven turnovers, okay, eight steals which
could come in to play when we're talking about defense,
all right, and.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Five blocks, which is pretty good.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Right, it's pretty pretty pretty good stat line for as
a team, you know, percentage wise and and.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
What you need from your players. All right. So lets
you see you all right, you tube Boston stelling their franchise.
(20:43):
I ain't know that somebody talking about it earlier.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, anybody said that joint for like six point one,
which is which is these bees, which is fucking insane.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, you know, MS and there it was his bees brother.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I mean that's what I meant say bout bad bro
beat Like know what I'm saying. Six point one billion,
Like damn bro. Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying.
That is freaking that's freaking a lot of bread to
say the least, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, So look, we did scheduling already, so now we're
doing actually actually actually into the team. Individual I had
seventy eight points to seventy five points per game. Okay,
that could mean something. Okay, they allow seventy two points
a game, that only allows sixty two. That's so that's
speaking to the defense right there. All right, that's speaking
to I mean, it's speaking the conference level, because they
probably got more talent in their conference that they will
score more points. But still sixty two is a good
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number to hold the team to a Division one at
the Division one level, and the margin the victory is fifteen,
So that mean they dominated their conference all right, forty
five instead of all up forty five forty five percentage
field goal forty four, about the same thirty four from
three to thirty three for three.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
That's going to balance out they hit nine of the game.
They hit.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Eight the game, all right, So that's that's probably gonna
watch it. That's gonna probably be a determining factor. I
say VCU comes out and hit twelve threes versus nine,
and Utah comes out and hit five threes instead of eight,
that'll matter. That'll be big important to the game. So
you know, everything remained in study. Our rebounds per game
thirty eight to forty. That's a big deal, bigger conference,
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bigger bigs in this conference. And they still have more
rebounds than per game. Fifteen assists, seventeen assists. Both teams
move the ball, you get fifteen assists. How many field goals.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Per game.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Made field goals with game I can't see that right here,
but but you know that's gonna matter towards madefield goals
with game turnovers twelve or eleven. So so it's a pretty
like the the seeding in the ranking says it all.
It's a pretty even matchup, right, It's a pretty pretty
even matchup across the board.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
So how do we decide, like who's who was? What?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
We go scheduling now, So now when we break it down,
we go, we go scheduling, we go record, we go conference.
They got four more wins then that, you know, four
more wins and a slightly strong conference.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
So it's pretty pretty even of a team.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So at this point you're kind of going with your heart,
like there's no way to really divide on which team
outside because they both finish hot. They if one didn't
finish hot the other, I would pick.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
The team that finished hot.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
If if maybe if VCU didn't win the conference and
went out in the quarterfinals and b WHYU won the conference,
I probably go with BYU. You know, so those it
ends out, but sense both teams are the same hot.
The leading scorers kind of run the show, but not
too much running the show to whereas if you take
them out, the team is crippled at fifteen to sixteen.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
If you take a fifteen to sixteen point score down
to twelve or ten, it's not killing your team. But
if you take a twenty five point score down to fifteen.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It kills your team because those are ten points that
somebody else has to account for, and that's still shots
that he's shooting. Those are still possessions you are not
getting because he's shooting to these shots and missing them,
So making shots allows you to set up your defense.
I think those little inside factors like that also matter.
That the shoot the shot maker usually creates plays with
other people. Look, the leading scorer for VCU is the
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lead and assist guy. So now if he's not hitting shots,
the assists aren't gonna be as frequent.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, okay, because I was just like I was just
like peeping like one thing with with VCU, and like
they're actually a very very good like defensive team, like
they allow like the fewest points, like.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Is crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's very that's very crazy. I
think they still might implement, you know what I'm saying,
the I forget what they call the full core press. Yeah,
to have it, you know what i'maying. I don't know
if they still implement that. But that's something that's like
super crazy. But I know you said it. It's like
a Pickham type situation. So what really the determining fact actor?
(25:01):
It would have to be the point differential because I
know with VCU, like I'm looking at it, they're like
plus like fourteen basically plus fifteen points, like you say,
you know what I'm saying, They about plus fifteen, but
again against a more difficult type opponent, it might not
be that way. So really would really that be the
numbers that you would have to basically focus on to
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determine it if since everything is even, yeah, quite differentially.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
And that's what it would be.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
That point, that fifteen point point differential does matter, man,
And like I say, but but you look at VCU,
they also had they had quality wins against with the
ACC team.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So see, let me stay go ahead and go back.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
To their schedule.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Look at the full team schedule against to me, okay,
got me? So they be the ACC team in Miami
who was solid. Boston College, Yeah, still not not the
best team, but ACC team. Nonetheless, Colorado State, who I
think is in the Big twelve with.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Noah, Colorado State still they still they still want of
those small colleges, they get to go to the Big
twelve next year or maybe in two years.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Got you? Got you? Okay? Lost to New Mexico. What
did I want? Did the New Mexico play Utah?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Because that conference that with Western Conference Western West Coast
Conference re alignment messed me up.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Man, I don't know what they got going on.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, Man's.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Dirty work over there. Yeah, no, but it goes back
to what I'll always be saying. Man, it's like the
Atlantic ten is you know, a is a solid conference.
That's why, Like I think they have what they got
two to three teams in there, which is a lot
for mid major. I think they got them. I think
George Mason's in it and Rhode Island's in it. Right, Yeah, yeah,
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you know what I'm saying. So they got like three,
Like shoot, the ACC barely got the amount of teams
that they got in it. They I think this is
like one of the years that they had the lowest
amount of people or teams.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
So think about this.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So since they started, since we started in January, they
took a lost New Year's Eve one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen and two eighteen and two.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Since the New Year, that's hot.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You figured something out, Yeah, like something clicked to where
you got one lost by three and then this other
loss was a road Saint Louis game game road in
Saint Louis.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You was lost by nine. Those are your two losses
this entire year since the New Year started. So that's hot.
So they're feeling really really really really really good coming
into this.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
So I get so, I guess, I guess another thing
we could do because we one had too many more
minutes left. I guess since you said that they're equal,
then once you have to kind of like dig into
their opponents real quick, like for example, all right, so
we're looking at a game. Let's just say, for the
shades of the sakes of Shapes and Giggles, were looking
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at the Baylor win the overtime.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
We're looking at BYU right.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, yeah, yeah, so we're looking at Baylor ninety three
eighty nine in overtime. Okay, it's cool that they won,
but was it one of those things where you fucked
up and allowed Bailer you know what I'm saying to
get into the overtime?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Nah, you can't let y'all down that.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Bad y'all had to fight for, like you know, like
how did that game? Like specifically go type stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
If you can't comb that too much.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Because it's a conference game in January, like it's everybody's good.
I mean, all the teams that are worthy are in
their bag now. Usually around January, team start to figure
it out. The young people start to understand the concepts,
learn the plays in a big way.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And nah, I can't. I can't hold that against them.
I can't.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I can't hold that too much against them. It wouldn't
make a decision for me. Let me say that that
that game wouldn't make a decision, all right, So now
they had a common opponent, then I could really really
dig into it even more, which we you know, get.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, that's why all just looking up real quick just
to see, like the b YU in the regular season
play like a team sort of like of Virginia's of VCU.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
So they pay Providence, who's in the provin.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
They're the biggest I think, oh yeah, the biggest.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Okay, this is this is a uh A style, similar style,
not specifically, but similar East Coast versus you know, West
Coast style of player and you know what I mean,
toughness and you know we're going about things. So that's that,
that's something to look at. The Providence game. They lost
the Providence, they lost the old miss and the SEC
and over time, so now you look at it again.
(29:44):
So and you're talking about that Baylor's in the tournament. Yeah,
Baylor and Baylor and Old Miss are in I mean
Baylor and what I said Old Miss, Yeah, Baylor Old
Miss in the tournament. Baylor's a non sea.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So so then so then so then also to the
way that youse six because there's something that you didn't
talk about, which we might have to like restart real quick,
because you brung up the good wins, but you didn't
really speak about the losses. Why did you really speak
about the losses, like analyzing somebody's losses, because I.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Mean, especially this time of year, December, they're a different
team in December than they are now in February. Right,
That's why I said at top of the year. So
let's let's look at that loss of Cincinnati. Let me
see what Cincinnati did this year. Cincinnati with their.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Record eighteen and fifteen twelve in the Big twelve.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Okay, and that's a bad I would consider that a
bad loss. Okay, I would say that a bad loss.
You know, they at the bottom of the conference seven
and thirteen the conference eighteen twelve overall. Yeah, that's a
that's a that's a bad loss.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
So Cincinnati is a bad loss.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He said, since the beginning of the year, right.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, let me see Providence. But still, like I said,
that was early, right, it was years later.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Now, Providence was lost by eight you know, you know
around that time when you played them conference the non
conference games twelve and eighth in the Big East.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yeah, so they lost to a bottom Big East team.
But that was that once again early early in the season.
It might have been hurt somebody out. Just like I said,
you can dig a whole of the layer, hurt, injured players,
players suspended.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But what about that? What about that Utah right there?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Because I think that Utah might have been a better
analogy in me instead of me saying Baylor one point
loss in overtime.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
What was you talk talking about?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Eleven and six, yeah, eight and.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Twelve, bottom of the near the bottom of the conference. Yeah, yeah,
so that's a that's a tough loss. But that's that's that.
You gotta think that's rivalry too. You taught b Yu
talking rivalry game.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Oh that is right, being in free in Utah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
So those are factors, more factors rivalry game on the road.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, one point loss, okay, okay, you can chalk he
I can see I can see you saying you can
respectively chalk that.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, Arizona quality win. They were hot for a minute
today and so they end up losing later on. But
they were they were, they were hot. They should they
were predicted to win or compete for the conference championship. Cincinnati,
Like I said, that's a tough loss. I think you
know that's when you can get back. But I think
at this time of year, you might need a loss. Man,
right around January February, right around here, you need a loss.
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And I hate to say it like that because you
don't feel like you ever want to lose, but you know,
they and what probably happened is they I'm looking at it,
so this is this is what you understanding coaching too.
They lost the same game twice, so they lost Arizona game.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
This is two losses.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Because you go to Arizona High and ready to play
against Arizona at the crib and you lose by eleven. Opportunity,
you missed that opportunity. You still living off that loss
right here, and when you go to Cincinnati on the road.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
And look at this, three games, three games out of
four in the road.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
In that stretch got you got you.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
So you go all the way from b Yu to
Florida on Saturday, you fly home Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Sunday, you got practice Monday, you got Arizona at the
crib Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Hey, well, coach, just things about to cut off real quick,
you know what I'm saying, So we gonna have to
like restart the joint real quick.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
But we're definitely gonna keep this session on deck.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Gay, I'm saying, putting cats on game on how to
pick these winners and hopefully'll play some winners and get
y'all pool going in these brackets.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Yes, sir, all right with.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Your coach, we're gonna we're gonna get up again on
the Coach Mo Show
Speaker 1 (33:46):
All right, bet got me do the women you're listening
to the S S Experience on S and G
You're listening to the s S Experience on SMG recording
in progress.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, what up? Do y'all know what y'all listen to?
It's another edition of the Coach Most Show. Got Coach
Maurice Sumter in the building right now, sitting back watching
some good old NC double A college basketball?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Right now? Coach? What game are you watching right now?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I had the Louisville Creighton game on. I just did
some stupid with my remote, so I just lost the game.
But I'm about to.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Go, oh yeah, I stopped watching that, Like, I just
finished doing some producing and stuff, so I just cut
the TV quote unquote.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
On or whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm watching Houston play Southern Illinois Edwardsville. I was gonna
peep Wisconsin and who's Wisconsin just playing Wisconsin in Montana?
But they just went to the half, so I ain't
trying to be watching the halftime stuff right now. I
want to get James popping off. What cho are you
(01:01):
watching it on TBS or some TBS?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Gotcha? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I got a little three two three games set up
here on my computer, my TV and my other computer screen.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
So we'll be here rocking and rolling, all right?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Cool? Cool, cool, all right.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So, by the way, I did pick this Creighton win,
the nine eight Creighton win.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh you did?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Okay, okay, nice, nice, No, I have not done I
have not done a bracket yet. You know what I'm saying.
I kind of been like so busy plugging my own bracket.
I forgot to actually like do the bracket or whatever.
But we're gonna talk a little bit about, you know
what I'm saying, how to maneuver the bracket real quick,
because I probably would have picked Nah, you know what,
(01:48):
I probably would have picked Craiighton too, because Louisville wasn't
all of that in the acc for real, for real,
So I probably would have picked that too if I
was like really really thinking about it, because it's not
that far fetched. I wouldn't have said it would have
looked like that though, where it was like one point
in time they was like down twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That's when I cut it off, like right when it
was like down twenty going into the half, like oh yeah,
this is trash.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Let me just do some work real quick.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, it's dude, Sampson right there, Coach Sampson.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
I don't even know. She looking like a crank again.
I'm trying to switch over to the.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah I got the yeah I got said I got
Houston on.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know what, I'm saying that the one seed playing
the sixteen Sea's twenty four to eight. So I'll probably
jump off of this in a second. Let me see
who else is on TV right now. Okay, we talked
about Montanna, Wisconsind and the half all right, per doing
high point. I guess we can do that one cuz, yeah,
that Create in Louisville. J Yeah, that Jane was dirty work. Bro.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I jumped off that bandwagon early.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, like I ain't had time for that, so little coach.
But before we started, though, so let me go ahead
and put out an n Cuba bread at real quick,
because you.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Want to.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Kind of break down how to I mean, I guess
most people probably already done the racket, but just in
case if you haven't, because everything hasn't went down yet,
how to break down the brackets. So let me go ahead,
and oh, they going Obama bracket right here. Obama be
doing these these brackets, but I ain't talking about here.
Let me find my joint real quick. Okay, let me see,
(03:31):
so I guess I can't talk about the one seed
versus sixteen seed.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Huh, Florida Norfwak state the waste of time this year.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I just want to give Norfolk say it a little
bit of love and you know, shout out to the bat.
You know what I'm saying, Shout out to the city.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, I don't want to say that's a waste of time.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, no, no, no, no, no it is.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I'm just I'm just we just moved it over to
we keeping it real, but still just want to talk
them up a tab it shout out.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm picking like.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That's I'm always go with the Home too. Whatever Norfolk's
in it, maybe Hampton, I'm I'm gonna go with them
just because I can't help myself. So I'll take a
few l's just to just to represent Home.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It happens, but we're gonna keep it, but we're gonna
keep it real that we're not gonna take that one.
So look, I got one for you because there is
a Virginia team that I do uh support from AFAR,
especially from a national scale. So I have my first
round matchup I want to break down which I think
if I'm not mistaken, this game comes on after Wisconsin
(04:25):
and Montana, and it's the v CU b YU matchup
v CU of the Atlantic ten and b YU of
the Big twelve, which is crazy to say.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Great matchup, great match up to look at. Let me
go pull that up real quick, because.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, so you have analytics, you have things that you
know you can use to you know, basically pick a winner.
If I'm looking at Obama's bracket, which I am, Obama
pencil VCU to beat b YU.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah, no, I don't think any between many people be
surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
No, I I'm I'm I definitely wouldn't be.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Neither.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
V c U VCU Under a coach Shaka Smart used
to get out the mud.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Oh yeah, I played. I played against some Smart team.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I played against Anthony Grant, that Anthony Grant team and
that shot Smart team.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I have met who was who was the who was
the point guard for one of those squads, one of
like Rodriguez or something. I've seen him at. I seen
him at I seen him at a party, you know
what I'm saying? Like, uh, I think it was like
right after like around that time, Like the hell you doing?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I here?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Like man, just out here kicking and ship like you know,
like dam I thought you'd be you know what I'm saying, somewhere,
you know what I'm saying, not outside, but Homie was
outside chilling. Know what I'm saying, living life, You know
what I'm saying. It's not all about basketball all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, man, it's it's you know, basketball player like that
have a little fun time of time, not too much.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
All right, So let me let me get so I
So we're gonna go ahead and get into I know
you got a bracket that you I mean, a matchup
that you want to do. But this game's about to
come on TV and it's VCU. You know what I'm saying.
How we're gonna how we're gonna start looking at this matchup?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Alright? Well first, man, first, and for I go from
top to bottom.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I'm looking at on the ESPN site. Man, wish I
should share my screen with you, right See, I gotta
turn my camera on the ship on my screen.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know how that works on zoom.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
All right, I do it.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Give me one second. Let me just get the screens up.
I want real quickly.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Now because I can, because I'm about to I'm about
to follow along with you. I got my tablet next
to you know what I'm saying. I got the game
on deck, got my jack in the hand, no diddy.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yeah, uh all right, so boom.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
So when I when I first started pulling up because
I ain't you know, I watch a lot of games.
I used to watch even more games, but you know,
with my own team I watch, I don't get to
watch as many, especially on the men's side. Uh so
I try to step the date on the women's stuff.
So if if I start on top to bottom, what
screen are you looking at? Are you on the bracket
screen or what screen are.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
You looking at?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'm about to Actually I'm on ESPN dot com.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Just you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I just gonna follow along with you as far as
you know, talking about.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
You got vcu B while you're at the top.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm still I'm still in the process of pulling them
up real quick. But now go ahead, go ahead, I'm
gonna catch up.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I just sent you a request to share a screen.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Oh shit, well hold on, let's cut the ship. I
shore you got screen sharing capability. Hold on, I don't know.
I don't know if this stuff is gonna get into
the recording. But let's see, okay, cool share.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
All right, Well man, I just lost the ship screen just.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So look what I was gonna do, right, just for
the sake of what we was doing. I was gonna
wear I was gonna wear my University of Virginia jersey.
Then I thought about it for a second.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I was like people who wear jerseys. Yeah, yeah, we're good.
We're good, We're good. So hey, cut your camera on too.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You might as well no sense since you got full
you know what I'm saying, visual presentation. I'm saying, this
is good YouTube worthy stuff if you can, cause there
you go.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah right now.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So I won't get into the camera, but we can
we can talk over to the voice over whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but no but real quick though, So
if you wear your if you like. So, I was
gonna wear University of Virginia jersey, you know what I'm saying.
But the men and women ain't in March madness. So
it's kind of like people who wear jerseys at events
when their team's not in it, trash or not.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I don't see why you would.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But I mean, I think you can wear what I
realize you can wear any jersey, any sport. If I
go to NBA games and college games, they got all
kinds of stuf. But usually with college no, you're not
really wearing I mean, march Man, you represent your school. Yeah,
so I think it's cool because you represent your school
either way.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Okay, Okay, you know out Okay, okay, because I was.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Just about to say, like when people go to the
Super Bowl and they wear a jersey and their team's
not in it, It's like, bro, it's cool that you're here,
but we don't need you to We don't need you
to have your Buffalo bill shit on.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
This ain't about Truman to just represent football, man. They
just like the game.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And that's what I was just saying. We just cracking jokes.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I should I should go get my University of Virginia
jersey now just to rep for the for the for
the Gang. We had a good Tony Bennet conversation. Go
back and listen to that Episode'm gonna loaded up in
a minute. So coach man, you got visual presentations. You
know what I'm saying, because I was on the just
to let you know, just just just for you to
see you real quick, you know what I'm saying. I
was on the site as well. Like I said, I was,
I was gearing up to it. But we're following you, coach,
Go ahead, what you want to show us?
Speaker 5 (09:46):
All right?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
So close matchups, we're gonna talk about close match ups VCUS,
especially because of you know, we're gonna up Virginia all day.
Oh I got inside beef for VC.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
They beat us twice, but I cooked them a little bit.
But we need to hear know that. But but with VCU,
it's all right.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
So first I go look at the records, twenty eight
and six, twenty four nine, all right, you said that's
about even. I got a theory on which I went
with both sides today, going with thirty to thirty win teams.
I think winning thirty games is separation in a lot
of ways from a lot of teams, you know. But
so VCU being closer at twenty eight and then you know,
twenty four, not too bad, not too different, not too
crazy difference in conference, Hold on, b while you and
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the big they just went to the big oh big too, okay,
by the same conference basketball same all right, so boom,
So I'll go to it like this. I look at
the record, all right, twenty eighty six, No big disparity there.
Eleven six seed, no big disparity there. Okay, so now
let's just as we go down the list. All right,
we got scoring, So just v VC you at the
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top leading scores. Cool, fifteen points a game versus sixteen
with a leading score top rebound of seven point nine.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
So no big disparity there.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
And even if I, even if I have to, I
go down the list because the second leading score is
gonna matter.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I let me go back.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I thought this game is leading score for s matchups,
but full player stats, yeah, where.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
They'd in do that?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
But whatever case may be, all right, cool, so look
at their first lease squad. I used to go look
at the second leading score, maybe see.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
What they're at.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
So if I got two people that averaged seventeen to
a game, that's thirty four points accounting for already my
team average, what's seventy something points a game, that means
my role players.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
But then when you got two threats versus one threat,
so I got to play the average twenty five and
the next player average twelve seven to six. Now you
know I only got to stop one player that plays
a factor too. Depend on how good that players is
because the star player creates shots. So your defense can
be as great as you want it to be if
the star player can get in spaces that you know
you don't account for. Now you're creating close outs and mishaps.
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But I don't getting too deep into that. But all right,
so then last last five games. I always value the
team that's hot going into the tournament. That's a big
deal to me.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
All right.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Stumbling into the tournament is never a good sign because
teams get better throughout the year, teams get worse throughout
the year, injuries, things like that. So now looking at
they last five, all right, these are the last five.
I wish I had them on the.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
App because the app shows there their best five games.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
But this day, last five, okay, last five four to one,
last five four and one.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
They ended with a loss. They ended with a big
time win against George Mason. Shot to Tony skin Head
coach at George Mason used to rock with that guy
back in the day, man playing ball in the DMV area.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
But but all right, so boom, not a whole lot there.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Competition wise, Yeah, they probably went against tough for competition.
But let's just look at the overall schedule out of
six losses. Let's see their power wins.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
We're looking at vc A, We're looking at VCU, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
This is a VCU. Okay, all right, Dayton's a pretty
quality win. So this is their their.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Conference schedule, So this is normal conference schedule. Right here,
they beat Boston College early US. It's gonna tell us
here lost the Seaton Hall was a good team.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Oh, this is why you were saying that stuff. Okay,
got you? Got you? Well, well, since you brought it
up real quick, you know what I'm saying, and it's
just in the flow of conversations, since you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
We see November twenty nine. What happened?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Man?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Oh that was our boys.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But I don't know what I'm bugging. I'm so bugging.
I'm so bug I'd be forgetting, but keeping.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
That was our boys. No, it's all good.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I mean, it's one of them games with D one
D two matchup, you know, just difference it usually it
usually gets the gap is widening around player four through nine.
Four through nine is where the gap comes in. One
through three are probably somewhat similar to the same level one,
one and two maybe unless you got an NBA guy
and it's going to be one A, one B and
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then you know the other team, but you know he
didn't know there, So win at Colorado State, New Mexico.
Saint Louis typically a good program. Not sure they record
this year.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
They split with them. It looks like so that's you
know what I'm saying, a wash.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, exactly, Saint Louis. But that means the quality matchup, Uh,
George Mason. They beat George Mason earlier in the year
and beat him to win the championship. So quality, quality, conference,
quality schedule. Dayton's always a tough matchup. Actually though, when
I played against v U Dayton, the Dayton coach, Now
I can't think his name?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Uh great? Great?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Was it was it Gregory?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
No?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Anthony Grant? No, not Anthony Grant. Uh oh man, I
gotta find his name. I gotta find his name. Hold on,
I can't go no further if I find his name,
because he does really good things in the industry.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well Shire, Well, why are you doing that? I was
looking at I was just looking at by U's schedule.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You was looking at.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
The the quality wins that they have. I guess we're
just talking about their rank wins, is Anthony the one
the one non conference well, yeah, the one non conference
game that they played that was ranked was Mississippi and
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they lost that in overtime, lost to Houston, lost in Arizona,
both of them was ranked. Then they beat Kansas Arizona.
Then what you were saying early, do you come into
the tournament on the hot streak? I mean they lost
the last game, which I guess was the conference championship,
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but I had won like non straight leading up to it.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, exactly, so that I would consider that hot coming
to the tournament. You beat Kansas State, You beat Kansas
who was in the tournament Arizona, who was in what
I think who used to have to beat to get
to the championship, who was I think the number one
seed in that conference? Number two? Uh beat the Iowa State.
You beat the Utah who was a quality program. Iowa
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stayed again and then lost to Houston. I mean in
the Smoker they got smoked by twenty. But let me
see the first game they played each other and they
lost by twenty again, so that's an interesting stat to
hold on to right there. You lost it to beat
them by twenty twice in conference game, but they played,
they played in the conference championship.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So who's that the Conforce championship.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
That as one of the season, the last one on
the schedule.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So they lost in the semi finals, yeah, on the
fourteenth Friday would be semi finals probably Saturday's champ Saturday
Sunday championship. So E did a quarter or the semifinals. Nevertheless,
So so now we got a team that won the
championship and the team that lost in the quarterfinals. That's
a that's a thing, that's a high, that's a uh
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energy that you're taking to the tournament. A right, So
let me go back a little bit. All right, cool,
So now as far as quality wins and quality opponents,
I'd have to go with BYU on that note. All right,
they do have they're in a higher level conference. They
played against more ranked teams, more higher level teams, more
teams in the tournament.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yep, all right, So let's see here.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
So now I want to go to the numbers. I
need to go to the team stats. See let me
see see this don't have it like it has on
on the app. I wish it was like that, but
all right, so let me go to go to VCU
team stats first, and when I'm going to team status
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is because this will tell me about what the team
does on a consistent basis.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
All right, so seventy seven points a game.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, Like even on the app, it's like a more
or less like roundish you know, quote unquote.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
About direct matchup.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Why the semi teams It says team full team status
and then send me like everybody in the country status.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I had to, like when I was doing it on
the phone, I had to like backtrack real quick and
like end of that joint through another way.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Now, this is a basketball geeks way of picking people,
by the way, so I don't think everybody expects to
go through.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
The brow Like I ain't gonna cap, but I'll be
using a basketball reference, y'all.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
No, I don't like Basketball reference because it's a lot
of scrambled scrambled a little bit for me, man, because
because I'm because I'm so involved with the finding stats
every day, I know the quick way to get to
the stats, the exact stat.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
That I want.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, like when I have to like when I have
to remember history and all of that shit. You know,
I'm saying be like, shoot that uh that basketball reference
that had what you need no cap.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah, I definitely I definitely use it for that for
that for that reason.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But no, like VC, like I said, I tell people
all the time like VCU is a and the Atlantic
ten in general is a very very like quality style conference.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean it's like it's like the people that could
have went to like a Kentucky and all of that stuff,
but just like one little quirky thing might have you know,
maybe it was grades, maybe it was a off the
field type or off the court type situation or whatever.
It's it's something real minor, or maybe the person just
didn't want to freaking travel for So the Atlantic ten
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has a lot of good quality individuals or whatever I
mean throughout their whole conference. So I'm never surprised when
you know a VCU or.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Shoot in recent history.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Remember VCU George Mason going to the Final four. So
it's definitely a good quality I mean, University at Dayton,
I'm not I don't think they were. I think you know,
the COVID year, the COVID year, they could have been
a number one seed. I remember that for sure, because
COVID messed up college basketball during that season and leading
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up to you know, after the conference tournaments, Dayton was
projected to be a number one seed. So again just
to base, basically say, the Atlantic ten is a dope conference.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So you got your stats up real quick, coach, So
what we're looking.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
At, all right?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
So now let's look, we're looking at stats, said the
average seventy eight points a game, all right, versus you know,
the opponent sixty two. That's just right here. Seventy eight
points a game, all right. So then we got three point.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
They hit. Nine to three is a game, all right.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
So let's see here, rebounds per game, thirty eight rebounds
per game, fifteen assists, eleven turnovers, okay, eight steals which
could come in to play when we're talking about defense,
all right, and.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Five blocks, which is pretty good.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Right, it's pretty pretty pretty good stat line for as
a team, you know, percentage wise and and.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
What you need from your players. All right. So lets
you see you all right, you tube Boston stelling their franchise.
(20:43):
I ain't know that somebody talking about it earlier.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, anybody said that joint for like six point one,
which is which is these bees, which is fucking insane.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, you know, MS and there it was his bees brother.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I mean that's what I meant say bout bad bro
beat Like know what I'm saying. Six point one billion,
Like damn bro. Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying.
That is freaking that's freaking a lot of bread to
say the least, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, So look, we did scheduling already, so now we're
doing actually actually actually into the team. Individual I had
seventy eight points to seventy five points per game. Okay,
that could mean something. Okay, they allow seventy two points
a game, that only allows sixty two. That's so that's
speaking to the defense right there. All right, that's speaking
to I mean, it's speaking the conference level, because they
probably got more talent in their conference that they will
score more points. But still sixty two is a good
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number to hold the team to a Division one at
the Division one level, and the margin the victory is fifteen,
So that mean they dominated their conference all right, forty
five instead of all up forty five forty five percentage
field goal forty four, about the same thirty four from
three to thirty three for three.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
That's going to balance out they hit nine of the game.
They hit.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Eight the game, all right, So that's that's probably gonna
watch it. That's gonna probably be a determining factor. I
say VCU comes out and hit twelve threes versus nine,
and Utah comes out and hit five threes instead of eight,
that'll matter. That'll be big important to the game. So
you know, everything remained in study. Our rebounds per game
thirty eight to forty. That's a big deal, bigger conference,
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bigger bigs in this conference. And they still have more
rebounds than per game. Fifteen assists, seventeen assists. Both teams
move the ball, you get fifteen assists. How many field goals.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Per game.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Made field goals with game I can't see that right here,
but but you know that's gonna matter towards madefield goals
with game turnovers twelve or eleven. So so it's a pretty
like the the seeding in the ranking says it all.
It's a pretty even matchup, right, It's a pretty pretty
even matchup across the board.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
So how do we decide, like who's who was? What?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
We go scheduling now, So now when we break it down,
we go, we go scheduling, we go record, we go conference.
They got four more wins then that, you know, four
more wins and a slightly strong conference.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
So it's pretty pretty even of a team.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So at this point you're kind of going with your heart,
like there's no way to really divide on which team
outside because they both finish hot. They if one didn't
finish hot the other, I would pick.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
The team that finished hot.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
If if maybe if VCU didn't win the conference and
went out in the quarterfinals and b WHYU won the conference,
I probably go with BYU. You know, so those it
ends out, but sense both teams are the same hot.
The leading scorers kind of run the show, but not
too much running the show to whereas if you take
them out, the team is crippled at fifteen to sixteen.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
If you take a fifteen to sixteen point score down
to twelve or ten, it's not killing your team. But
if you take a twenty five point score down to fifteen.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
It kills your team because those are ten points that
somebody else has to account for, and that's still shots
that he's shooting. Those are still possessions you are not
getting because he's shooting to these shots and missing them,
So making shots allows you to set up your defense.
I think those little inside factors like that also matter.
That the shoot the shot maker usually creates plays with
other people. Look, the leading scorer for VCU is the
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lead and assist guy. So now if he's not hitting shots,
the assists aren't gonna be as frequent.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Okay, okay, because I was just like I was just
like peeping like one thing with with VCU, and like
they're actually a very very good like defensive team, like
they allow like the fewest points, like.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Is crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's very that's very crazy. I
think they still might implement, you know what I'm saying,
the I forget what they call the full core press. Yeah,
to have it, you know what i'maying. I don't know
if they still implement that. But that's something that's like
super crazy. But I know you said it. It's like
a Pickham type situation. So what really the determining fact actor?
(25:01):
It would have to be the point differential because I
know with VCU, like I'm looking at it, they're like
plus like fourteen basically plus fifteen points, like you say,
you know what I'm saying, They about plus fifteen, but
again against a more difficult type opponent, it might not
be that way. So really would really that be the
numbers that you would have to basically focus on to
(25:23):
determine it if since everything is even, yeah, quite differentially.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
And that's what it would be.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
That point, that fifteen point point differential does matter, man,
And like I say, but but you look at VCU,
they also had they had quality wins against with the
ACC team.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So see, let me stay go ahead and go back.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
To their schedule.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Look at the full team schedule against to me, okay,
got me? So they be the ACC team in Miami
who was solid. Boston College, Yeah, still not not the
best team, but ACC team. Nonetheless, Colorado State, who I
think is in the Big twelve with.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Noah, Colorado State still they still they still want of
those small colleges, they get to go to the Big
twelve next year or maybe in two years.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Got you? Got you? Okay? Lost to New Mexico. What
did I want? Did the New Mexico play Utah?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Because that conference that with Western Conference Western West Coast
Conference re alignment messed me up.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Man, I don't know what they got going on.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, Man's.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Dirty work over there. Yeah, no, but it goes back
to what I'll always be saying. Man, it's like the
Atlantic ten is you know, a is a solid conference.
That's why, Like I think they have what they got
two to three teams in there, which is a lot
for mid major. I think they got them. I think
George Mason's in it and Rhode Island's in it. Right, Yeah, yeah,
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you know what I'm saying. So they got like three,
Like shoot, the ACC barely got the amount of teams
that they got in it. They I think this is
like one of the years that they had the lowest
amount of people or teams.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
So think about this.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So since they started, since we started in January, they
took a lost New Year's Eve one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen and two eighteen and two.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Since the New Year, that's hot.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You figured something out, Yeah, like something clicked to where
you got one lost by three and then this other
loss was a road Saint Louis game game road in
Saint Louis.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You was lost by nine. Those are your two losses
this entire year since the New Year started. So that's hot.
So they're feeling really really really really really good coming
into this.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
So I get so, I guess, I guess another thing
we could do because we one had too many more
minutes left. I guess since you said that they're equal,
then once you have to kind of like dig into
their opponents real quick, like for example, all right, so
we're looking at a game. Let's just say, for the
shades of the sakes of Shapes and Giggles, were looking
(28:03):
at the Baylor win the overtime.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
We're looking at BYU right.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, yeah, yeah, so we're looking at Baylor ninety three
eighty nine in overtime. Okay, it's cool that they won,
but was it one of those things where you fucked
up and allowed Bailer you know what I'm saying to
get into the overtime?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Nah, you can't let y'all down that.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Bad y'all had to fight for, like you know, like
how did that game? Like specifically go type stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
If you can't comb that too much.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Because it's a conference game in January, like it's everybody's good.
I mean, all the teams that are worthy are in
their bag now. Usually around January, team start to figure
it out. The young people start to understand the concepts,
learn the plays in a big way.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And nah, I can't. I can't hold that against them.
I can't.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I can't hold that too much against them. It wouldn't
make a decision for me. Let me say that that
that game wouldn't make a decision, all right, So now
they had a common opponent, then I could really really
dig into it even more, which we you know, get.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, that's why all just looking up real quick just
to see, like the b YU in the regular season
play like a team sort of like of Virginia's of VCU.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
So they pay Providence, who's in the provin.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
They're the biggest I think, oh yeah, the biggest.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Okay, this is this is a uh A style, similar style,
not specifically, but similar East Coast versus you know, West
Coast style of player and you know what I mean,
toughness and you know we're going about things. So that's that,
that's something to look at. The Providence game. They lost
the Providence, they lost the old miss and the SEC
and over time, so now you look at it again.
(29:44):
So and you're talking about that Baylor's in the tournament. Yeah,
Baylor and Baylor and Old Miss are in I mean
Baylor and what I said Old Miss, Yeah, Baylor Old
Miss in the tournament. Baylor's a non sea.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So so then so then so then also to the
way that youse six because there's something that you didn't
talk about, which we might have to like restart real quick,
because you brung up the good wins, but you didn't
really speak about the losses. Why did you really speak
about the losses, like analyzing somebody's losses, because I.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Mean, especially this time of year, December, they're a different
team in December than they are now in February. Right,
That's why I said at top of the year. So
let's let's look at that loss of Cincinnati. Let me
see what Cincinnati did this year. Cincinnati with their.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Record eighteen and fifteen twelve in the Big twelve.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Okay, and that's a bad I would consider that a
bad loss. Okay, I would say that a bad loss.
You know, they at the bottom of the conference seven
and thirteen the conference eighteen twelve overall. Yeah, that's a
that's a that's a bad loss.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
So Cincinnati is a bad loss.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He said, since the beginning of the year, right.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, let me see Providence. But still, like I said,
that was early, right, it was years later.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Now, Providence was lost by eight you know, you know
around that time when you played them conference the non
conference games twelve and eighth in the Big East.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yeah, so they lost to a bottom Big East team.
But that was that once again early early in the season.
It might have been hurt somebody out. Just like I said,
you can dig a whole of the layer, hurt, injured players,
players suspended.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But what about that? What about that Utah right there?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Because I think that Utah might have been a better
analogy in me instead of me saying Baylor one point
loss in overtime.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
What was you talk talking about?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Eleven and six, yeah, eight and.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Twelve, bottom of the near the bottom of the conference. Yeah, yeah,
so that's a that's a tough loss. But that's that's that.
You gotta think that's rivalry too. You taught b Yu
talking rivalry game.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Oh that is right, being in free in Utah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
So those are factors, more factors rivalry game on the road.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, one point loss, okay, okay, you can chalk he
I can see I can see you saying you can
respectively chalk that.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, Arizona quality win. They were hot for a minute
today and so they end up losing later on. But
they were they were, they were hot. They should they
were predicted to win or compete for the conference championship. Cincinnati,
Like I said, that's a tough loss. I think you
know that's when you can get back. But I think
at this time of year, you might need a loss. Man,
right around January February, right around here, you need a loss.
(32:36):
And I hate to say it like that because you
don't feel like you ever want to lose, but you know,
they and what probably happened is they I'm looking at it,
so this is this is what you understanding coaching too.
They lost the same game twice, so they lost Arizona game.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
This is two losses.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Because you go to Arizona High and ready to play
against Arizona at the crib and you lose by eleven. Opportunity,
you missed that opportunity. You still living off that loss
right here, and when you go to Cincinnati on the road.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
And look at this, three games, three games out of
four in the road.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
In that stretch got you got you.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
So you go all the way from b Yu to
Florida on Saturday, you fly home Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Sunday, you got practice Monday, you got Arizona at the
crib Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Hey, well, coach, just things about to cut off real quick,
you know what I'm saying, So we gonna have to
like restart the joint real quick.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
But we're definitely gonna keep this session on deck.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Gay, I'm saying, putting cats on game on how to
pick these winners and hopefully'll play some winners and get
y'all pool going in these brackets.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Yes, sir, all right with.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Your coach, we're gonna we're gonna get up again on
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