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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Stephen
McCain podcast, where I bringyou people making world-class
decisions in the field of humanoptimization and performance.
This episode is with Dr ScottScherer.
He is an expert on hyperbaricoxygen therapy and I have always

(00:21):
been on the fence with thisparticular therapy just because
I've been concerned aboutoxidative damage.
And we address a lot of theseconcerns and so much more.
And what Scott does is he looksat your cells before he looks
at your oxygen and he wants tomake sure that you're getting

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the right amount of oxygen foryour body.
Are you capable, with yourantioxidant systems, to handle
HBOT, and what is the dosethat's most appropriate for you?
So we really dive into that inthis podcast.
So this is a great resource.
If you're somebody who useshyperbaric oxygen therapy or if

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you are interested in it, you'regoing to want to listen to this
episode probably more than once.
So I hope you enjoy it.
Let's do this, dr Scott.
Welcome to the Stephen McCainPodcast.
Happy to be here, stephen.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, we got to know each otherat the World Peptide Congress
and we had a good chat.
It's one of my favoriteconferences, just because the

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think tank that it is ofknowledge is.
I just feel like it's whereit's at right now and I really
adore all the people that I getto meet, and so when I met you,
I was really excited to have youon the podcast, because you are
an HBOT for people don't knowwhat that is, it's hyperbaric
oxygen therapy expert and youhave an incredible resume with

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that, and so I I have to behonest, I've been a little on
the fence about HBOT and we cantalk about why and all that
stuff little on the fence abouthbot and we can talk about why
and all that stuff, but I'mhoping that you I wanted to wait
until I had the right personand I think you're the right
person for it.
So maybe if you could justbriefly tell my audience why

(02:18):
hbot, how did you get into thisand and what are you doing with
it right now and why is itspecial?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, yeah, it was nice to meet you at the event
too, stephen.
I feel like it's very differentthan most medical conferences
now.
Most medical conferences youdon't get a lot of information.
You get, sort of likewhitewashed, a couple of things
here and there.
It's mostly about the vendorsand mostly about hanging out,
which is still great and is anice way for colleagues to meet
up.
But just the intensity of thescience was impressive and I
really did enjoy being there.

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And to speak about hyperbarictherapy was really amazing for
me.
I've been doing and involved inhyperbaric medicine now for
over a decade and I got involvedin it when I was back in
medical school.
I was in training in theUniversity of Maryland in
Baltimore and there was a shocktrauma center right next to it
and Baltimore is very well knownfor its shock and trauma and it

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still is to this day, as manypeople will likely know.
And so I got experience withhyperbaric therapy because in
the basement they had this largesubmarine looking like chamber
there where they were takingpeople in whether they had
severe injuries, wounds wherethey were taking people in where
they had severe injuries,wounds, infections, burns,
carbon dioxide poisoning and I'mseeing some amazing results and

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it was pretty profound, eventhough I was sleep deprived at
the time.
I remember going like wow,that's really cool technology.
And, to take just a couple stepsback in my journey, my father's
a chiropractor, so I grew upvery much out of the box, always

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looking at going to medicalschool as a kind of conduit to
bridge the chasm betweenconventional medicine and what
was then called alternativemedicine.
There really was no otherfunctional medicines or
integrative medicines.
None of that stuff reallyexisted when I went to medical
school at least not in a hugeway at all and so I found that
hyperbaric therapy is being usedfor lots of different
conditions around the world, andnot just for the ones that were
approved for indications herein the United States, and so I

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got very much interested in howyou could use hyperbaric therapy
in an integrative way to trulyhelp people thrive and heal
wounds and accelerate theirperformance, improve their
endurance and so many otheraspects of what hyperbaric
therapy can do.
And so when I finished myinternal medicine residency a
couple years later, I startedgetting more involved in
hyperbaric medicine as medicaldirector of a number of

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facilities in the Bay Area whereI was living for many years,
and through that experience Icreated an integrative practice
where I really think ofhyperbaric therapy as the main
technology that I use and that Iam an expert in.
However, I do think that theintegrative perspective is
really important.
What are you doing before,during and after hyperbaric

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therapy to truly leverage thetechnology?
And that's kind of where mypractices evolved over the last
decade.
I have a foundational frameworkthat I use outside of
hyperbaric medicine to optimizethe way that hyperbaric therapy
is going to work, and then I usethat as a base.
And then hyperbaric therapy hasthis fantastic tool to help
people truly optimize, heal,accelerate and be at their best

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and get back to where they were,oftentimes too.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, nice, when I think about hyperbaric oxygen
therapy, it's, there's a coupleof different ways to do it right
?
You have these hard chambers.
You have these soft chambersthat a lot of people are buying
now.
You have with oxygen, withoutoxygen, you know, are you just
using the pressure to push theoxygen in them?
Could you explain a little bitof the difference between those,
just so that we know what theyare and maybe what they're

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applicable for?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
So the best way to kind of get in there is probably
to talk about what hyperbarictherapy is, because there's
really two things that arehappening in a chamber You're
increasing atmospheric pressureand you're increasing inspired
oxygen.
So those are the two mainthings that we're doing, and by
increasing atmospheric pressure,you're driving more oxygen in
circulation.
Now most people know aboutoxygen already.
At sea level, there's about 21%oxygen in the air that you're

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breathing.
The rest of that is nitrogen.
So if you want to increase youroxygen carrying capacity, you
have to saturate the cells thatcarry oxygen from your lungs to
the rest of your body, and thoseare your red blood cells.
So we have a number of redblood cells, but we have a
finite number of them, and so ifyou want to increase your
oxygen carrying capacity, youhave to do something to increase
the number of red blood cellsyou have in circulation.

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So you could do that a numberof different ways.
The most common way is to cometo hang out with me in Colorado
here, where I'm at 16% oxygen at5,000 feet and as a result of
that, less oxygen in the air isgoing to stimulate a hormone
called epigen to be produced.
Epigen is a natural hormoneproduced by our kidneys to
increase the number of red bloodcells we have in circulation.
Okay, and the thing about redblood cells I should also

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mention is that most of thesites on the red blood cell to
carry oxygen are saturated afterthey leave your lungs.
So if you put a pulse ox onyour finger, typically that
pulse ox is going to showsomewhere between 96 and 100%.
That's because all of thosesites are 96% to 100% of those
sites are bound with oxygen onthose red blood cells.
There's not a lot more you cando by even breathing a face mask

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.
Even breathing a face mask ofoxygen is not going to get a lot
more oxygen in circulationbecause that oxygen is going to
have to have someplace to becarried and that carrier is red
blood cells typically.
So you can go to altitude.
You can increase your red bloodcell number that way by
increasing EPO.
You can take EPO as a drug, aswe know that cyclists and other
performance enhancing athleteshave in the past for Olympic

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athletes and others of course toincrease their oxygen carrying
capacity, and so those are thecommon ways.
And then you can also transfuseyourself blood right before a
race or something like that, toincrease the number of red blood
cells you have in circulation.
But in a hyperbaric chamberwe're doing something different.
We're increasing the amount ofatmospheric pressure that you're
under.
So we're simulating thepressure you feel under a

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certain amount of seawater.
You dive 20 feet below the sea.
You look up, all that water isextremely heavy, although you
don't feel it, because water isthe density of water.
But you know, if you pick up abucket of water it's very heavy.
And we know that the pressuregets higher and higher the
deeper you go right.
And so that pressure, what itdoes, is it changes our

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physiology, allowing more oxygento get into that liquid of our
bloodstream called the plasma.
So again, typically on the redblood cells.
But if you have pressure,you're going to pressurize your
lungs and that lung pressure isgoing to drive more oxygen into
the liquid of your bloodstream.
And that's the power ofhyperbaric therapy is that that
liquid oxygen can get up toabout 1200% more in circulation

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compared to just breathing 21%oxygen in the air.
And that's why you need thepressure, because the pressure
drives the oxygen in.
So just wearing a face mask,for example, is not going to do
a whole lot more.
Maybe you had 98% on that pulseox, you brought it to 100%.
Great, that's nice, but it'snot like a huge amount compared
to 1200% more that you can getsaturated into the actual plasma

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itself.
And so the way hyperbarictherapy works is that you have
all of that oxygen now incirculation.
You have a number of differentthings that are happening as a
result of it, and so to go backto your question, which is just
to kind of give a frameworkthough for people, what
hyperbaric therapy is.
So there are different pressuresthat we use for different
indications, because thedifferent pressures are going to

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drive different amounts ofoxygen in circulation.
So typically the brain and thespinal cord.
So your central nervous systemis more sensitive to oxygen
pressure and oxygen tensions, soit doesn't typically need to be
at a deeper pressure to get abenefit.
In fact, going too deep in thebrain can actually be
detrimental because that causestoo much stress on the system.

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Okay, the deeper the pressure,the more systemic you're going
to get an optimization so thatyou're going to get blood flow
and oxygenation to your systemicsystem.
So your tissues outside of thecentral nervous system, like
your toe, like that's far awayfrom your central nervous system
, your brain.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
You want to get deeper pressure hyperbaric
therapy.
But there's a window there.
Typically, the window we'retalking about for most
therapeutic potential is, in ournomenclature, 1.3 to about 2.4
atmospheres of pressure, andthat ranges from a seawater
perspective, that's about 15feet of seawater to about 45
feet of seawater.
The 1.3 to about 2.0, which isthe equivalent of about 33 feet

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of seawater.
That's more of where your brainand your neurocognitive
optimization you're gonna see.
And then from about 1.8 to 2.4,that's where you're getting
more systemic optimization.
So it's not so much about thetype of chamber right In the
sense of is it soft?
It's not so much about the typeof chamber right In the sense
of is it soft, is it hard For me, it's more what pressures are
most optimal for you, dependingon your indication.

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And then you can add in theoxygen side as well.
So typically we're addingincreased inspired oxygen.
You're either bringing a maskor you're increasing the amount
of oxygen by actually having thewhole chamber at deeper
pressures be pressurized withoxygen as well.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Fantastic, this is good.
I really appreciate youexplaining that.
I have had an EWOT system,exercise with oxygen therapy,
the LIBO2 extreme adaptive andso it's two bags.
The top one is hypoxic air.
No, the top one is hyperoxygen,so I think it's four times the
amount of oxygen that then is inthe room.

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The lower bag is hypoxic andthat you can use a dial and say
what altitude equivalent do Iwant to be at, so you could be
at pretty rare air.
It tell you to work up to that,and they have you ride on a
bike with a mask that no air canget in and out, it's just, and
you breathe through the hypoxicchamber.

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And when you get to that pointwhere you feel like you're
underwater and you can't, rightat the cusp of an adaptation
where your body is trying tobasically utilize more oxygen,
it's saying shoot, we're beingstarved here, let's make more
red blood cells, let's open upthe portal vein to the brain.
And so I've always liked anapproach where I said how can I

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increase my oxygen capacity, itsprocessing and capacity
components?
Because I exercise.
I think exercise in itself isgoing to deliver blood and
oxygen to you, and so I havealways been afraid, and a lot of
this came from my good friendSandra Kaufman.
I don't know if you know whoshe is, but she's a very she

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speaks cell, so she's very intocellular medicine.
But she has always warned me,like, be careful with hyperbaric
oxygen, that can causeoxidative damage.
And so it's always kind ofscared me to think that, oh, I'm
just going to be doing thisprotocol where I get in my
chamber, because I'm one ofthese guys that, like I, will

(13:12):
stick to a protocol perfectlyfor years and I thought I'll get
one of these chambers and I'llget in it and I'll be driving
oxygen through my system andmaybe I will increase my
oxidative damage.
And I have to be honest, Idon't.
This isn't a causation, butthere is.
I never had gray hair ever untilI started doing that EWOT
machine, and when I first didthe EWOT machine it wasn't, it
was more like ride with oxygenand go nuts.
It wasn't fully adaptive.

(13:33):
Sure, and I don't know ifthat's if that is it all related
at all could be COVID, thestress you know, and and and
moving and all that stuff.
But this is probably getting alittle older too, and I think
I'm 50 now, so at some point itwas probably bound to happen and
it is in my genes.
I can see my mom and my sisterhave gray hair.

(13:53):
But I wonder if you could justunpack what I just said in a way
that allows me to go, you know,and maybe it's just as simple
as you just got to know theright dosing.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, well, there's a lot to say there.
I think, starting on theoxidative stress part of it, I
think is important, because oneof the ways that hyperbaric
therapy works, and one of theways that exercise works in
general, is by creatingsomething called oxidative
stress.
Right, there's different waysthat the body produces this, but
when you're in a hyperbaricchamber, what happens is that
all that extra oxygen in thesystem does increase your

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oxidative load, and that justmeans that you have more
reactive oxygen species,reactive oxygen molecules.
There's free radicals that'sthe other name for it.
There's all these other namesthat people use for them, but
these are actually signalingmolecules, and the way
hyperbaric therapy works is thatit's creating more of these
oxidative molecules to createsignaling stress in the system
so that you can recover and dothe things that we want.

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So what happens when you're ina chamber, for example, is that
you create a stimulus toincrease the number of stem
cells that are being releasedfrom your bone marrow, and stem
cells are the baby cells in ourbody that can go anywhere.
That's required to help healtissue, decrease inflammation.
So that's one of the reasonswhy oxidative stress is so
important.
The other reason is that italso causes an epigenetic shift,

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which means that ourepigenetics are how our genes
are expressed, and so whathyperbaric therapy does is it
creates an epigenetic shift tooptimize the gene expression for
things like increasing bloodvessel creation, decreasing
inflammation, preventing cellsfrom dying.
These are all things that arebeing done as a result of um, of

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the oxidative stress that'sgoing in because of hyperbaric
therapy.
Now what happens and there'sbeen some studies that looked at
this is that after about threehyperbaric sessions in a row,
what the body's supposed to dois create a um, a reflexive
antioxidant surge, so that itbalances out the oxidative load
that happened as a result ofbeing in the chamber.
Now, this is provided that youhave the capacity to do that,

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and so that is something that Ialways like to emphasize is that
if somebody is already under alot of oxidative load and
they're getting into ahyperbaric chamber, they may not
be as equipped to be able tobalance out additional oxidative
load that's going in, and sothis what I often say here is
that if it's an acute issue,hyperbaric therapy is fantastic

(16:10):
at healing things faster, likeif it's a surgery, if it's a
wound, if it's an injury, it's atrauma, hyperbaric therapy is
going to do a very good job veryquickly, without a whole lot of
fanfare and other things thatyou need to do other than your
standard of care, depending onwhat it might be.
When it's a chronic issue,though it's a chronic issue
though it's an issue that's beengoing on a long time, or you
have a long-term goal like, say,you want to reverse your age or
something like that, or youhave an endurance race that's

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coming up in six months.
You want to be thinking aboutcreating a foundation that's
going to allow you to bestbenefit from being in a
hyperbaric chamber and, at thesame time, mitigate any
potential downside of thatoxidative load.
So and for me, that meanstesting their cellular data,
looking at their antioxidantcapacity, looking at their
oxidative stress levels,inflammation, and trying to
balance all of those things withbehavior, lifestyle, diet,

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supplementation, before gettinginto the chamber at all.
And that's actually what'sgotten me in trouble over the
years in my hyperbaric field,because I would I often.
I was going to give a talk onceat a hyperbaric conference that
the title of the conference wasplease do not put them in the
chamber.
And and, and and.
The reason that was my titlewas hyperbaric if you put people

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in too early.
If they're on their kind ofearlier stages of working on a
chronic, complex medical illness, like they often, will not see
a benefit.
Or if they do see a benefit, itwould only be a transient
benefit because of thatoxidative stress that the system
is under.
So I think my first comment isthat oxidative stress is good.
We all need this.
This is how our body respondsto exercise, to sauna, to cold,

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but at the same time you don'twant to have too much of it that
the body can't handle.
And the more hyperbaricpressure you put somebody under,
the more oxidative load you'regoing to put them under too, and
so, like at a, 1.3 is a verymild amount of oxidative load
versus 2.4 is going to be moresignificant.
So you can mitigate that byknowing what their status is
ahead of time, making sure thatthey're well established with

(18:04):
their vitamins, minerals andnutrients.
You can even protect them moreby giving ketone supplementation
, which I think you know abouttoo, stephen.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
So you can get ketone esters ahead of time.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
That prevents from oxidative stress too.
But everything we're talkingabout here is the same for
exercise with oxygen therapy too.
Exercise with oxygen therapy isit's probably a better delivery
mechanism for oxygen than youknow, than many maybe anything
else other than a hyperbaricchamber actually, and the data

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and the studies haven't beendone since the 1980s on EWOT, so
it's not kind of it's reallyunclear exactly how much oxygen
you're getting to deliverbecause of exercise.
But with this EWOD system,especially the adaptive system,
which I do think is probably anupgrade compared to just 100%
oxygen exercise and I have seensome significant benefit in my

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patients using it over the yearsfor sure.
So I don't think they'remutually exclusive.
I think you could use them both.
I think it just kind of dependson what your goals are as to
which ones might be morebeneficial like either
hyperbarics or EY.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, I really appreciate you diving in like
that and talking about thebenefits of oxidative stress,
because a lot of times we justvilify things, right, and then
we just hold onto that and sayand it's like no, no, no, the
oxidative stress signals yourbody to adapt to do something.
And this is why exercise islike the centerpiece for me,

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because you're signaling anadaptation thing.
Or you're incapacitated and youhave a massive injury and you
need to just get in a chamberand you got to get oxygen into
that area.
It seems like just if you'rejust a healthy person, that you
want to stage this thing in away where you're actually doing

(19:52):
it like exercise, where you'renot lifting too heavy to break
the body, you're not killingyourself, right, you're
stressing, or you're deliveringthis oxygen, you're getting a
benefit from that.
And then you're delivering thisoxygen and you're getting a
benefit from that and you'recoloring within the lines, so to
speak.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Right, right, so one of the things you mentioned
earlier about how you tend tofollow a protocol to the T and
for like years at a time, whatyou also don't want to do is do
very extended daily hyperbarictherapy for these reasons right.
So typically when we think abouthyperbaric protocols, if you
have an acute issue, you mayhave to go in maybe three, maybe
even once, but three times,five times, maybe 10 times to

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see a massive benefit ascompared.
If you have more of a chronicissue, we might have you going
in 20 to 30 to 40 sessions fivedays a week, but you're not
going to do that forever.
Five days a week.
You're going to take a breakafter that and, depending on the
indication or what your goalsare, we may have you do
maintenance hyperbaric therapywhere you go in a couple of
times a week regularly and thenmaybe go in for another protocol

(20:53):
when you're going five days aweek, again every six months to
a year.
But the key is to take breaks.
The key is to actually modulatethe pressure.
The key also is to understandyour basic foundational health
and understand how your cellsare working and then monitor
this stuff over time and soyou're not doing it in a black
box.
So, like with my patients thathave chambers in their house,

(21:13):
for example, we're repeatingtheir blood work at least every
year to look at their oxidativestress levels and their vitamins
, minerals and nutrients,depending what type of chamber
that they have too.
If they have a deeper pressureat their house that goes to 2.0,
then I want potentially to belooking at this more frequently
compared to looking at if theyhave like a mild pressure that
goes to like 1.3 to 1.5.
But yeah, the protocol isreally, really important.

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So you're not going to be doingEWOT every day forever.
You're taking breaks and you'rerecovering, and it's the same
thing with hyperbaric therapy.
But the difference withhyperbaric therapy, I think, is
that this epigenetic shift thatwe get, this shift in expression
of your DNA for new bloodvessels, for downregulating
inflammation, for these stemcells getting matured in the
various tissues like that is, Ithink, very singular to what

(21:59):
hyperbaric therapy can do, asopposed to EWOD.
I think EWOD is great for someof these more immediate changes,
right, some of these moreimmediate, the oxygen delivery
piece of it and especially theadaptive part, even probably
making you mitochondria, whichis obviously a big deal.
But I think, where hyperbarictherapy really shines is
definitely on the epigeneticshifts that are happening.

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So you have people with thesechronic conditions that have
been ongoing for many, manyyears.
The architecture of the tissueis in such a dysregulated sort
of way that it takes time torebuild that, like rebuild it
with stem cells, rebuild it withblood vessels, rebuild it with
connective tissue, rebuild itwith new bone, new brain, new
heart, new collagen, like newyeah, lots of different types of
cells that you can make as aresult of being in a hyperbaric

(22:42):
environment.
So that's, I think, the powerof it, and, of course, there's
power in using it very acutelyafter initial injury and there's
been lots of great studies forheart attacks and strokes and
traumatic brain injuries andspinal cord injuries and limb
ischemia, your limb has kind offallen off you can go into a
chamber.
You're going to potentially beable to save that tissue Because
if you can hyper-oxygenate thattissue very, very quickly under

(23:03):
significant duress, you can seethe saving of that tissue over
the long-term.
So I think that's where you seethe benefits and on kind of
both sides of that.
But again, on the chronic sidechronic issues or long-term
issues going into a chamber islikely not going to be the first
thing that I would recommendfor you.
It might be like the 10th thing, but it's down the line could

(23:24):
be very helpful.
But if you don't have yourfoundational stuff in order and
this is really where I got veryfrustrated with the hyperbaric
community many, many years agonow, where I was like what are
we doing?
And this is my own experiencewhen I first started in 2012,
2013, we put people in thechambers Like why are they not
getting better?
Why aren't they getting better?
And then kind of realizing whypeople weren't getting better

(23:46):
over time.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, yeah.
And again it goes to show thatthis isn't just about buying
gadgets and climbing in chambersand just turning it on and
being like, hey, I'm doing allthis great stuff for my health.
I mean you, really you.
It's why, you know, I startedout as somebody who got really

(24:09):
interested in health and thenthis whole biohacking movement
started and, of course, I becameenamored by it and I bought I
had red lights in 2017, huge asspanels, and I had all this gear
and all this stuff and and I Itore my Achilles tendon and I
bought that EWOT machine and itwas incredible for what I
thought was healing thatscaffolding down there and
really getting that tissue tothat tendon to repair.

(24:32):
But the more I've spent in thisspace, the more now I really
just hunt down doctors that arein the cellular space that are
talking in term.
You know they're there, youknow it was, it was.
The next thing was likefunctional medicine, and then it
was like even beyond that now,and so the more you speak with
people like yourself, the moreyou realize you don't want to

(24:55):
just be willy nilly with thisstuff.
I mean, you can.
You can be an amateur insomebody who manages their sleep
, their diet, their stress,their exercise, their
environmental toxic load thatstuff you can pretty much do and
take the bull by the horns.
But when you start getting intosome of these things you don't
want to just wing it and just bedoing it, because somebody is

(25:18):
doing it and you hear all thesegreat things about it and that's
why I was so excited.
I was like, finally I found anHBOT guy that you know.
So thank you, dr Scott, forcoming on.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's my smoke screen, though, stephen, which is kind
of funny because, like, I'vebeen doing it long enough now
that people know me abouthyperbaric therapy, but then,
like, 90% of what I talk topeople about has very little to
do about hyperbaric therapy atall.
And about hyperbaric therapy atall, and that's kind of how I
got into it, because I realizedif you're going to give the
system a whole lot more oxygen,you better hope that that system
can use that oxygen to makeenergy.

(25:49):
Number one and number two, youbetter hope that that energy and
those energy byproducts can beutilized effectively.
If they can't be, then what arewe doing this for?
It's not gonna be helpful, andso what I started getting into
is something called metabolomics, which is like the study of our
metabolism.
It's small little moleculesthat are made in our cells that
are corresponding to makingenergy and detoxification.

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You have vitamins, minerals,nutrients and cofactors that you
can all measure.
You can measure heavy metals,you can measure toxins, you can
measure your fatty acids, and soit's sort of like the best way
to look at what's happening inyour genome, from your genes,
and what's happening in theenvironment, both together in
real time.
And I got involved with anonprofit in 2017 called Health

(26:32):
Optimization Medicine inPractice, which you talked about
functional medicine being likean intro level for a lot of this
, and this is like we're talkingcellular medicine now, right,
like, just like Dr Seeds andlike, and health optimization
medicine, or home, as we call itfor short is that's what it is.
It's cellular medicine lookingat metabolomic data.
And my in my insertion into thatwas well, if you can't make

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energy well, why am I puttingyou in a chamber?
Like it's not going to be avery good idea.
And if you can't detox well,then you're going to not have a
good response to being in thechamber.
So it's like, well, there'smore than just looking at energy
metabolism and looking atdetoxification.
There's also protein metabolismand there's also carbohydrate
and macronutrient metabolism.
And so all these things playinto all these aspects.

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And then you get into it.
You're like, well, holy shit, Ireally have to work on this
cellular function first, andthen I can think about getting
them in the chamber, right?
So, like, what am I doing tooptimize energy metabolism?
Do they have the right Bvitamins?
Are they toxic, do they haveheavy metals in the system?
You know, et cetera, like theseall kind of play into it.
So my clinical practice has verymuch colored how I think about

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hyperbaric therapy, right?
So when I think about somebodythat comes to me and says, hey,
doc, I'd love to get into ahyperbaric chamber, for, fill in
the blank, say it's aconcussion that they've had for
a year or something like that.
So most people in my fieldwould be like, let's get you in
the chamber, let's go.
I mean, for me I'm like, no,let's talk about this.
And then what we do is I thinkabout what laboratory data would

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be really helpful in this caseand usually that's metabolomic
data and then whatsupplementation is going to be
helpful, what other types oftechnology might be helpful on
top of using hyperbaric therapyas well, because you want to
really take the time and well,you're taking a lot of time to
go into a hyperbaric chamber.
Typical sessions are between 60and 120 minutes.
60 to 90 is more common, butyou're going in five days a week

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for a period of time.
This is like a lot of time.
So how are you going toleverage it Right?
So I'm thinking about labs, I'mthinking about technology, I'm
thinking about supplementation,I'm thinking about other types
of practitioners that might bevery, very helpful on this
person's journey to help them.
So it is for concussion.
Is it a neurofeedback specialist?
Is it a chiropracticneurologist, which I have a lot
of friends that do chiropracticneurology that help retrain the

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brain after these kinds ofinjuries, retraining their eyes,
like eye movement therapy,whatever, like.
I have a huge network of peoplethat I have over the years that
I can refer out to.
And then how am I going to helpsurveil these people over the
time that they're going to thechamber so that we know that
they're getting better, or isthere anything we need to tweak
along the way while they're inthe chamber?
And then, finally, there's thehyperbaric protocol itself and

(29:04):
how you're going to start thehyperbaric protocol and then
where you're going to go.
I mean, unfortunately, not onlyis it everybody should get in
the chamber, but it's alsoeverybody should get in the
chamber at the same pressuresfor the same amount of time.
But what I found over the yearsis that a dynamic approach is
much more optimal for patientswhere oftentimes they're
starting off at a milderpressure than we classically

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would think would be theirtarget, and then we increase
their pressure over time astheir system kind of gets used
to being in the chamber.
And this is more important forpeople that are under higher
oxidative load, that are older.
In general, younger people tendto be able to tolerate going
deeper faster, but in general,that's the framework that I use

(29:50):
right there.
So, I talked about hyperbarictherapy, last right, because
there's like seven or eightother things that I think about
ahead of getting into thechamber.
And then I think about all ofthat first, if I can Not
everybody's willing to havethese kinds of conversations, of
course, but I at least try tointroduce this, this, this
conceptual framework, and then Isay these are the ways that, if
you're not willing to do any ofthese things because you don't

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want to, whatever, these aresome things that we can do to
support you along the way with,you know, blood vessel dilation
and and making sure you'remaking energy a little bit
better, detoxing a little bitbetter along the way, if we
don't have all that data which,again, I would ideally like to
have.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
So yeah, yeah, amazing.
This is why I have just notjust bought a chamber and just
started getting in it.
I just intuitively.
I was like you know.
First of all, I want to asksomebody you do telemedicine and
you so if somebody is listeningto this and they feel they need
a hyperbaric oxygen treatment,and yet they listen to you and

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say, shoot, I want to reallyhave a well-rounded protocol.
You offer that throughtelemedicine, right?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, I do.
I consult with people all overthe world on trying to help them
understand how best tointegrate hyperbaric therapy
into their healing, recovery,optimization, their goals, their
protocols, and I also work withclinics all over the world.
So I clinics with practitionersand non-practitioner run
clinics as well that areintegrating hyperbaric therapy

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within other modalities.
I definitely work with them inthose capacities too.
So, yeah, I have very much.
I'm happy to talk to people inthose capacities.
I do that a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Great, yeah.
So if you're, you're listeningto this and you've been using a
chamber or you're thinking aboutit and you now realize that
there's probably more to it thanyou originally imagined, here
you go, reach out to Dr Scottand we'll, at the end of the
podcast, I'll I'll ask you howthey can get ahold of you.
Of course, yeah.
What are some of the compounds?
Like, I would imagine nitricoxide, methylene blue, I would

(31:45):
imagine astaxanthin for anantioxidant boost.
What are some of the thingsyou've found just to kind of
humor us in terms of you know,yeah, I have some pretty
standard protocols that I thinkabout.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
The one category and you're alluding to this with
nitric oxide is the one categorythat kind of falls across
multiple types of modalities isblood flow, right.
So you want to increase bloodflow to certain areas,
especially if you want to healthese areas.
Oftentimes people are gettinghyperbaric therapy because
they're looking to heal and sosome supplements that increase

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blood flow.
So the one that I use a lot ofactually is nitric oxide.
So nitric oxide boosters.
I have a couple of differentcompanies that I use them from,
but nitric oxide is somethingthat's produced in the body that
dilates blood vessels.
It also increases the capacityto make energy as well, and many
of us get depleted in nitricoxide as we get older and also
the deeper you go in ahyperbaric chamber.
You actually deplete nitricoxide briefly by doing that, and

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the reason for that is thatit's because of the oxidative
stress that's happening in thechamber.
It actually neutralizes yournitric oxide and so you don't
have as much around for a shortperiod of time.
So this is actually usedclinically in some ways.
For people with severe injuries,for swellings, for damage to a
blood vessel, you can usehyperbaric therapy to decrease

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the caliber or the size of theblood vessels to prevent them
from leaking out stuff they'renot supposed to leak out.
But in a non-traumaticindication or condition you can
mitigate some of thatvasoconstriction by causing some
vasodilation instead.
So the most common I'll usefrom a supplement would be
nitric oxide.
I'll also use niacin sometimestoo, because niacin helps open

(33:28):
up blood vessels.
You have to watch out forflushing with people, of course,
depending on the type of niacin.
Also use CoQ10.
Coq10 is also a vasodilator andalso enhances mitochondrial
function.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I didn't know.
I knew it was a mitochondrialfunction.
I didn't know it was avasodilator.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Wow, yeah, just a little bit.
It's not as significant asnitric oxide, but I will use it.
You can also use some of thenitric oxide precursors, like
arginine and citrulline, forexample.
You can use those.
In younger people, though, andolder people they have a harder
time converting arginine tonitric oxide, so I typically
oxide directly what aboutlow-dose Cialis, so that's
something I haven't startedworking with quite yet, but I

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have been interested in lookingat low-dose Cialis and the
low-dose Viagra and Tildalophilsof the world, because I think
actually that's Cialis, right,but yeah, so that's become more
interesting to me.
I haven't used it a lot quiteyet in practice, but it would be
very similar.
What I actually learnedrecently, though, which is
important for people to know, isthat the Cialis, the Viagras of

(34:27):
the world they do not increase.
You have to have enough nitricoxide in the system to be able
to benefit from thesemedications, so it doesn't take
the place of having enoughnitric oxide in the system.
But yeah, but I think as longas you have enough nitric oxide
in the system, you couldpotentially benefit from maybe

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being on these low-dose CialisViagras of the world as well,
which I'm just starting to playaround with now.
Is that something?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
you work with.
Yeah, when I think of thenitric oxide products on the
market.
You have Berkeley Life, youhave that new one, that
arteriosil, like they're thecomplementary one.
It's called starts the c.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I forget that's what that it's called.
Yeah, that's that.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, vasconauts, vasconauts, yep yeah, and then
I've dabbled around with nathanbryans and oh two and one oh one
, yeah, you know what?
Yeah, he's kind of has twobrands.
That one is the one I usuallytake them I uh the most
consistently, and then I willoccasionally do low dose
dialysis.
I've very effective.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I've dabbled with that stuff for a long time,
right Um and it works for thegym, you know, for exercise and
things I've heard it's reallyquite good for that, yeah.
Yeah, I heard it's good for thebrain too, as well, yeah, yeah,
I mean, there was a crazy studythat was done that showed that,
you know, men who were takingViagra on a relatively regular
basis had like a 30% decreasedrisk in dementia.
Like it was not subtle.

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So getting more blood flow tothe brain and to the other part
of you is a good idea at thesame time, yeah, and it makes
you wonder is it really theViagra or is it?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
having more sex is a better.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
That's probably not a bad thing, but I think a lot of
it is blood flow, honestly.
I think that's why we're usingit now and kind of
cross-pollinating it in thingslike exercise and performance.
So I use a lot of those andthen, like for the vasodilatory
portion, I also use like lighttherapy, like, so red light
therapy is great because it'sgoing to increase dilation.
So I have people that will,like they have a shoulder injury
for something like we'll havethem put like a light device on

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their shoulder and then go intothe chamber afterwards because
you've created a stimulus formore blood flow to go to that
particular area, because you'vedilated the blood vessels around
the area that you're looking tostimulate.
So you can do that.
So I use red light therapy.
You can use cryotherapy in cold, but that's much more difficult

(36:39):
for people to tolerate becauseso what happens with cryo is
like you, you, you know youclamp everything down and then
after you open everything up soyou dilate like crazy, right,
like the post.
And if so, what?
What happens with that?
You have lots of blood flow toyour periphery, which is great,
lots of dilation.
But that's also very difficultfor people to sit still while
that's happening.
They want to move, they want toexercise because they have all

(37:01):
those stress hormones that justgot released from being under
cryo.
You can do it with sauna aswell.
Typically, I use cryo and saunaafter hyperbaric therapy as
more of like a detox kind ofthing as opposed to before,
because it's just it's hard tobe sweaty in a chamber or you
know, just warming up and notwanting to sit still, but other
than the blood flow.
The other thing that I thinkabout a lot, steven, is the

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energy production capacity.
So how are you going to makesure that you're flooding the
body with more oxygen 2,000%more or 1,200% more, I should
say and then what are you goingto do with all that oxygen?
Is it going to make energy oris it just going to make all
that oxidative stress?
And so are your mitochondria ina place where you're going to
be able to make energy?

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So this is where I think aboutyour basic things like your
B-complex or your B-complexvitamins, right?
So you need your Bs and youneed your minerals, your
magnesium and things to be ableto make energy.
This is where methylene bluecomes in a lot for me too.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I was sitting there waiting, but I knew I was hoping
you were going to bring it up.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, so methylene blue is a fantastic
mitochondrial optimizer.
It's been around for over ahundred years at high doses.
It's an anti-infective and it'sactually significant help for
severe mitochondrial stress andischemic episodes because it can
rescue mitochondrial function.
But, at lower doses.
It's a mitochondrial optimizer.
It helps with energy productionand it helps with
detoxification at the same time.

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So it does both, which is veryuncommon, and so very low doses
like four, eight, 16 milligramsare really good at supporting
mitochondrial function.
So I use a lot beforehyperbaric therapy because it's
going to support thatmitochondria.
So there's like these fourparts of your mitochondria
called these complexes, andoftentimes they're not working
very well in people that havecomplex medical illness, long

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COVIDs, your fibromyalgias, yourchronic fatigues, and so if you
can support those aspects ofthe mitochondria to work better
or bypass them if needed, and tohelp allow and maintain energy
production, you are going to seethese people do much better
over time.
And so your energy enhancers,your basic supplementation, like

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your bees, for example, like amultivitamin, is really
important.
Minerals, but methylene blue isa fantastic addition.
And then you asked aboutantioxidants.
So you want to be careful withantioxidants.
And this is interesting, right?
Because the way hyperbarictherapy works, if it's not an
acute issue, if it's an acuteissue, you can kind of give them
whatever you want, because allyou really want to do is get
more oxygen in the system andpotentially prevent a lot of

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that tissue that might've beenat risk from not dying.
So that's what oxygen is reallydoing in the acute setting.
But in the long term you wantto make sure that you have that
oxidative stress in the systemto create that epigenetic shift.
So if you give too manyantioxidants, you might prevent
the oxidative load from doingwhat it's supposed to do, which

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is cause a hormetic or aeustress, a good stress on the
system, so that you can see thebenefit.
So now if you're antioxidantdeficient, then you should be
taking your antioxidants, butyou got to be careful and you
don't want to take too manyantioxidants to potentially
mitigate the benefit of being ina chamber.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, yeah, and you're just basically blanketing
all that signaling right, andthat's why, with exercise, I
always tell you don't be takingyour antioxidants around
exercise, because your body'sbasically saying, hey, I need
help over here.
Come build me up, repair me,and all that so right.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
There's one caveat there.
The caveat is that if somebodyis super sick and they're
already antioxidant deficient,then giving them antioxidants
before hyperbaric therapy can bea very, very helpful way to
help them get through hyperbarictherapy and still benefit
without having a lot ofdownsides of having too much
oxidative load.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
So I've done that in the past maybe with severe
illness and seeing benefit there.
Interesting, yeah, yeah, to thepoint that you always have to
look under the hood and get somedata on them so that you're
appropriately because you knowpeople always people ask me even
like what's, what's the bestthing I should do, what's the
most important thing I should do?
And I'm like, the mostimportant thing you should, you

(40:55):
need is the thing you need themost, you know, I mean it could
be something as simple as justbeing severely vitamin D
deficient or something, and youcan't really know that stuff
unless you do consistent testing.
You know, right, I really thinkthat's where people go from.
They take their health approachto the next level.
And most of the time you got towork with a professional in the

(41:16):
beginning and probably for agood long time.
And most of the time you got towork with a professional in the
beginning and probably for agood long time.
I mean, I worked with somereally great anti-aging
functional medicine doctors fora long time to learn how to read
my own labs and you know,eventually you kind of learn the
ropes, so to speak.
But if I was going to be doingany sort of HBOT stuff, I would
be asking you.
I would be going hey, here'swho I am, here's my lifestyle,

(41:37):
here's what it is, here's myblood work, here's any sort of
testing.
What do you think would be?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
good.
What I would say is that thereason why I got involved on the
business side of hyperbaricmedicine about three or four
years ago was I was so tired ofhaving to re-educate people all
the time, in the sense thatthere's so many companies out
there that are selling chambersand this is the challenge, right
, all they care about is sellingyou a chamber that's all they

(42:03):
care.
Like they just care about theirmargin on selling chambers.
And so you'll have a lot ofcompanies out there that just
sell the soft side of chambersthat will tell you that you can
do everything in a soft side ofchamber that you can do in a
hard chamber, except you'd haveto just do more soft hyperbaric
therapy to get there.
And that's absolutely not thecase at all, because there's no
way that the pressure at a mildunit is ever going to equal the
pressure at a deeper unit.

(42:23):
So for systemic-like things foroutside the central nervous
system, like that's just notgoing to happen.
And so you have a lot of peopleout there that are selling
chambers that say that you cando everything in a soft chamber.
This is not the case, right.
And then you have othercompanies out there that are
giving you protocols on how touse hyperbaric therapy, which
they should not be doing becausethey're not practitioners.

(42:44):
These companies give youprotocols yeah, just do 40
sessions and due to thispressure, you're going to be
fine.
And then I got all the brunt ofthat for people saying, well,
this company told me I needed tobuy this chamber, but I have
this condition.
I'm like well, you don't havethe right chamber for that
condition, or or or you have, um, you know, this company said I
could use it every day and itwas fine.
I'm like no, you can't use itevery day.
You have to take breaks, and Idon't care what pressure you're

(43:04):
at, you're at, you have to takebreaks at times as well.
You know, or you know and startfrom the beginning.

(43:25):
So I started a company in 2019,2020, that was the idea was to
try to create an educationalplatform that people could have
a better understanding of how touse all these technologies
together, and that's kind ofwhat we've been working on for a
while now.
But but I would just kind ofecho that it's really hard to
find good information out thereand you have to be careful if
you're looking to buy a chamber,because they have a very
significant incentive to sellyou one.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, I mean, I have a person every couple months
that just I met at a4m, thatjust hey, hey, hey what.
I really respect your approachand and the kind of let's
caution a little bit.
You know you're kind of saying,hey, it's don't.
You know, this is not somethingyou just want to be willy-nilly

(44:02):
with.
And you go to a4m, which is amedical conference here in vegas
a lot of people go to.
It's really popular and theyhave big hard shell chambers and
they have the soft shell andthey'll throw anybody in there.
They'll turn those things on.
And I got in the hard shell andI'm claustrophobic and they'll
throw anybody in there.
They'll turn those things on.
And I got in the hard shell andI'm claustrophobic and they
shut that door and I freaked andI was like I'm knocking on the

(44:25):
little window, like let me out.
You couldn't hear me, I'm justgoing and I just couldn't do it.
I think I could do the softshell if I was.
I could unzip it myself, butwhen?
they shut that door and it waslike ching ching, ching ching
and they lock it.
Is that an issue?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
For some people it is .
It's rare that it's an issue,because there's different types
of chambers.
There's hard-chilled chambersthat have completely translucent
outside.
It's all made of an acrylicglass, so you can see outside,
but there's thesubmarine-looking ones that you
were in that could be moreclaustrophobic for some people.
Soft-sided chambers are moreenclosed in general too, but I

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think for me, the main thingthat I always tell my team is
that I want to know when wedon't turn, then we don't
recommend hyperbaric therapy.
Not when we do, and that's onething that I'm very emphatic
about is that what I often sayis that it's not if hyperbaric
therapy will be helpful, it'swhen.
So I do think that everybodywill benefit or could benefit at

(45:26):
some point.
But the question is is now theright time?
So if you come to me and youhave severe Lyme disease or
you've had even a severeconcussion and you're like a
year, two years, three years,you're kind of at the early
stages of getting better right,Especially something like Lyme
disease.
I'll be like you need to getabout 60 to 70% better before
you even think about gettinginto a hyperbaric chamber,

(45:48):
Because if you go in too early,you're not going to see a
benefit.
If you do see any benefit, thatbenefit is not going to sustain
.
So you're going to go back tothe way you were before.
And so I mean there were peoplewhen I first started that were
being taken into hyperbaricclinics on wheelchairs, like
because they could not toleratebeing in the therapy, like like
they couldn't even drive home,like it was.
It was nasty, and we would tryto support them with with

(46:08):
antioxidants ahead of time and Iwould see them get a little bit
better.
They would often get a littlebit better, but then after 40
sessions it would be a littlebit better than they would get
worse again and I was just like,what are we doing again?
And so that's why I'm usuallyemphatic, if they have, if
somebody has a chronic, complexmedical illness, that they're
about 60 to 70% better beforethey get into a chamber, so that
that way I know that we'regoing to be able to get them

(46:30):
across the finish line.
Now there's a couple of caveatsto that.
Like I might start earlier, ifit's a concussion, for example,
or if it's more of abrain-related kind of thing
sometimes but sometimes I won'teither Because, again, if they
don't have the optimized levelsof, or even close to it of,
vitamins, minerals, nutrients,to be able to make energy, to
detox, it's like I run into thesame issues all over and over
again.
So it's for me very, veryimportant to give people a

(46:57):
perspective here, and I use alot of soft cell hyperbaric
chambers in people's homes allover the world.
I have some people that haveheart chambers in their house
too, and these are all very,very helpful and can be used
very, very effectively.
But again, what are you doingit for?
Why are you doing it?
When are you doing it and howare you not doing it?
Times too right?
That's all important.
Why are you doing it?
When are you doing it and howare you not doing it?

(47:18):
Times too right?
That's all important.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, awesome.
And I have one last selfishquestion.
For someone like me who I don'thave any injuries, I'm very
consistent with working out.
All my labs look really good,at least from the thing.
I mean, maybe there's somethingI'm not testing, but for the
most part pretty good health.
Where would HBOT be effectivefor someone like me?

(47:42):
What would you even say aboutit?
Something like that.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah.
So I mean there's a lot ofdifferent ways to think about it
.
So there's been a number ofstudies that have been done on
the 2.0 pressure in what'scalled anti-aging medicine or
longevity medicine, becausethere are some indications that
this pressure, done over aperiod of time, can reverse the
production of things likesenescent cells, which are like
zombie cells that happen in thebody.

(48:06):
That could increase telomerelength, which is potentially a
sign of longevity althoughthere's controversy there
decreasing inflammatory levelsof various types of markers.
There's also been studieslooking at this pressure for
increasing endurance andincreasing VO2 max, increasing
the capacity of the leftventricle to beat more
effectively and efficiently aswell.

(48:26):
So from a longevity,performance, endurance
perspective, you can do somelonger protocols to potentially
see the benefit and then overtime potentially do maintenance
to help maintain those kinds ofbenefits.
But for most people that arehealthy and they don't have any
medical issues, for the most Iusually use hyperbaric therapy
as kind of a recovery tooloverall because it can be really

(48:49):
great at helping with recoveryfrom exercise, from being on an
airplane, from jet lag and thosekinds of things.
You're on an airplane, you'repressurized to about 8,000 feet.
So I use a lot of methyleneblue in this case too, because
nothing blue can help protectyou.
But when you get off anairplane you can re-auction it
very, very quickly, with yougetting into a chamber so we can

(49:10):
help, you know, get rid of jetlag if you're a high flyer, if
you're working all the time.
Um, it also can improve yourimmune system function and so,
um, I think it's, it's a greatthing to have from like a
day-to-day operationsperspective, just to have as a
tool in the toolbox.
Like, I have four kids at myhouse and one's a pretty big
soccer player, so I'm alwayshappy I have the chamber in case
she gets hit in the head.
She's not as big as aseverybody else on your team, so,

(49:31):
and she plays defenderno-transcript and so you know we
do the whole thing right.
Some creatine maybe yeah, somecreatine is is important too.
So I, because I have a lot ofthose kinds of goals, right.

(50:05):
So if you're an enduranceathlete and you want to do
better, you can use hyperbarictherapy to increase your
endurance.
If you are just trying to stayhealthy, you can use hyperbaric
therapy in various ways eitherfive days a week for a period of
time to help with your brainfunction.
That works, that you will see abenefit there.
You can do it at deeperpressures and you can see a
systemic benefit for endurance,vo2 max.
Or you can just use itperiodically.

(50:26):
So that's why it's like youknow, if you were consulting
with me, stephen, I'd be likewell, stephen, what are your
goals?
Like?
Would you have any, like any,any events coming up?
Are you just looking to staylike?
Are you just looking forlongevity and health span?
Right, and so if you're lookingat more longevity and health
span, I'm thinking the mostversatile type of chamber would
be your 2.0 chamber, becausethat's what's going to give you
the most capacity to do variousprotocols.

(50:47):
But I often say too, though, youdon't need to use that T
pressure very often either,because you don't want to get
too much oxidative load.
And so most people.
What I would recommend they getfrom their house, if they're
relatively healthy, is like a1.5 chamber that can go.
It's a soft-sided chamberTypically.
You can do most of yourday-to-day operations, see

(51:08):
significant benefit and thenmaybe once every one to three to
five years, depending on yourhealth, you have the.
You have access to a deeperpressure chamber in your
community.
You can use that for, like, amore systemic optimization
protocol.
Yeah, so that.
But there's lots of differentways to skin this.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
But um, but my oh, my framework is always again.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Hyperbaric therapy is like the number six thing on
the framework and number seven.
It's like like get your labsdone.
What's your diet like, what'syour, what are your behaviors
like, being lifestyle, like youknow, what are you?
What kind of supplementationare you taking, like that all
those things are.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
It's especially important to have a long-term
goal over a long-term issue yeah, well said and I'm kind of
proud of myself for being alittle bit skeptical about you.
Know, the thing is, when youhear a thousand doctor or a
thousand, but a lot of reallysmart people talking about
things over a course of a decade, and you go to these

(52:00):
conferences, these, and youlisten to these podcasts, you
read their books, kind of starthaving intuition about a lot of
this stuff.
And I'm happy that I didn'tjust wing anything with HBOT,
because if I'm going to do itnow, I'm definitely going to
reach out to you.
If somebody is interested inthat, where can they reach out
to you, dr Scott?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
To a couple of places .
So I have my own website that'sdedicated to hyperbaric therapy
.
It's integrativehbotcom, so theword integrative in the letters
H-B-O-T forhyperbaricoxiantherapycom.
That's probably the fastest andmost direct way to find me if
you're interested in hyperbarictherapy, if you're interested in
learning about how it can helpyou, or if you run a clinic and
you want to integrate it intoyour practice.

(52:39):
I do have a company called OneBase Health as well.
One Base Health is a companythat is creating a whole bunch
of technology that's involved inboth hyperbaric therapy lights,
cryo and sauna.
We do have those for sale, butat the same time, our main focus
is actually the technologythat's powering those particular

(53:00):
types of technologies, and sowe're creating this really cool
sensor technology and apptechnology that allows you to
understand what's happening whenyou're in these types of
modalities and using them, andnow you can integrate your own
wearable technology alongsidethat as well.
So my goal with that company isto create really an educational
ecosystem where peopleunderstand why they're using
what they're using and thenmeasuring their data over time

(53:23):
so that they know when thingsare going well and when things
need to change.
And so One Day Self is reallykind of like my clinical
practice in a company, really.
And then, as I was mentioningas well that we do have chambers
for sale, we do have hard forsale, we do have hard chambers
and soft chambers, the key forme always is the education, to
make sure it's right for you asyou're looking into it.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, and I will.
I will include links to all ofthis in the show notes and you
can find that at Stephen with aPH McCaincom backslash H, Vought
HB O T.
So Stephen McCaincom backslashH Vought H-B-O-T.
So StephenMcCaincom backslashHBOT.
You did mention that you couldgive my listeners a 5% off of a
chamber.
Would we be able to set that up?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, I mean, I think the best way to do it was
because it depends on the typeof chamber depending on because
there's like there's going to bea different percentage off
depending on what chamber theyget.
So you can say that there's a,there's a.
We can say that there's adiscount, uh, for people like
listening to the show.
Uh, just, you know, mention myname uh when you're.
You know when you're, uh, whenyou're talking about it, and we
yeah, it's just like probablyanywhere between like five or

(54:30):
like anywhere between like fiveto 10% off, depending on the
type of chip.
You could write that, if youcould say that, if you want, you
can be between 5% to 10% off,depending on the type of chamber
that you decide to purchase.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Perfect, just let them know you came from the
Stephen McCain podcast andthey'll take care of you.
Dr Scott man, I reallyappreciate your information and
I've waited a long time to kicksomebody's brain about this
stuff and I think you reallyshowcased exactly what I wanted
and hopefully my listenerslearned something great, and I

(55:02):
like the fact that people canreach out to you and that you've
set yourself up in a way wherepeople can learn to use this
very effective tool, but in avery effective way.
So thank you so much for comingon.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
It's been my pleasure , stephen, thank you.
And then I would also justmention that, if people are
interested in Methylene Blue, Ido have a company that makes
some products in that space.
The company's calledTroscriptions, and we'll get
Stephen, we'll get you adiscount code as well for 10%
off anybody interested in tryingsome of those products as well.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Fantastic.
Yeah, I've actually used thosebefore.
Awesome.
I mean, I'm a huge fan ofmethylene blue huge and I think
a lot of people are.
I think, especially even afterCOVID, people's brains turned
back on with that stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, we'll put links to everything in the show notes
.
Stephenmccaincom backslash,hbot and Dr Scott really
appreciate you coming on.
Everybody else appreciate youlistening and we will catch you

(56:11):
on the next episode of theStephen McCain Podcast.
Stay healthy, everyone.

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