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Stephen (00:00):
Phil, thanks for coming on the Stephen McCain podcast
Welcome.
Phil (00:04):
Thank you.
It's a great pleasure to behere and I'm looking forward to
it.
Stephen (00:08):
Yeah, we met briefly on a like a mastermind call months
ago and I said, oh, this is theguy I've been wanting to meet
for a long time.
He's the bio regulating guy,and you mentioned a book that I
actually had on my desk at thetime because I was kind of re
referencing, you know, learningthat stuff.
So I I'm really excited tointroduce my audience to bio
(00:31):
regulators and you are the guyto do it.
So thank you again for coming.
Phil (00:36):
Well, I hope we can help people out there.
And because I like tellingjokes, I'll slip this one in.
People say it's veryeducational when they hear me
talk.
Well, they don't say that.
They say it taught them alesson.
But let's hope we can help somefolks.
Stephen (00:51):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure you'rea walt of knowledge on the stuff
.
So, when it comes to bioregulators, what are these
things, or what are we eventalking about here?
Like, let's just get down tothe basics of what is a bio
regulating peptide?
Phil (01:06):
Sure.
Well, the term has come to beused for peptides that have two
qualities.
The first quality is thatthey're very short chains.
So I think the folks that theyknow that all peptides are made
up of amino acids and it's whenyou've got two amino acids that
have conjoined, that's what'stechnically called a dipeptide
(01:27):
two, three and four amino acids.
They are short chain aminoacids.
They can be one classificationfor bio regulators, but there is
a separate condition which I'llcome to.
But just to say that when youstart adding more and more and
more amino acids, you know wecan start changing the category.
You might start calling themproteins, you might even start
(01:50):
calling them hormones.
So to take one of the longestexamples, human growth hormone
is a chain of amino acids madeup of 191.
That's enormous, that really isenormous, and we'll talk about
how the changing that length ofstring, as it were, changes the
way that you need to use theseproducts.
So the first thing to know isthat peptide bio regulators are
(02:12):
short chains two, three, four,okay.
But they have a second qualitythat kind of needs to come from
the research, and that is theyact as gene switches.
And you know, as my old mentor,Dr Wardin used to say there
could be many, many more, wejust don't know, and that's
obviously true.
But what we're going to talkabout has principally been, well
(02:36):
, Soviet research.
In fact, it was a Sovietmilitary secret for many years
Now, of course is freelyavailable in Russia and Russian
speaking countries.
So it includes the Ukraine, itincludes Kazakhstan and, you
know, Georgia and othercountries in that region.
So, yeah, gene switches andthat is a little flippant thing
(02:56):
to say but has enormousimplications, yeah, I mean, I
love the whole.
Stephen (03:03):
Like I grew up in the Cold War era, right, and so you
know, I was a kid in the 80s andI remember the first time I
went to Moscow and I stood inthe Red Square because I was a,
I got to go there for acompetition Great.
I remember thinking I'm notsupposed to be here.
It was like so cool, likeMoscow is a very interesting
city to me.
It's got this incrediblearchitecture Like it's.
(03:25):
It's beautiful.
I was there in 2019, believe itor not and just visiting and I
I couldn't believe howunbelievable the city was, like
it had just gotten better andbetter.
But I went into like theequivalent of like a CVS or a
Walgreens and I bought somevisomitten, which is a I buy a
regulator right Like it's, and Istarted using these drops and
(03:49):
before I was in that, I wasthere for a week before I left.
I looked at my screen a coupleof days later and I thought,
wait, what did Apple do?
Did they upgrade my, the userinterface?
I was like this thing is likebrand new and I thought, oh my
God, these drops are working andso these things you can get
over there in Russia.
(04:10):
You know these tiny littlebioregulating gene switches that
can come in either a pill oryou know different delivery
mechanisms.
Right and correct me if I'm ifI'm wrong.
They, they don't even need a alike a receptor.
They pass right through thecell membrane, latch right onto
the DNA that's right and helpthe DNA start coding proteins to
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rebuild that particular organ.
Phil (04:37):
Because they're nano sized .
They actually and that'sanother thing as well the oral
ones.
They pass through the stomachwall.
They're not degradated bystomach acid because of their
length.
That's very, very short, and weI can do the steak story as
well, which I sometimes do.
At this point I'll do the steakstory.
(04:57):
So, basically, a lot of peopleknow you want to put on muscle
mass, you're a naturalbodybuilder.
One of the things you may do isyou may eat lots of steak or
salmon or something like that.
So the question is if you'retrying to get protein into you
to build muscle and yet thesteak you're eating, the salmon
you're eating, is going, all theprotein in it is going to be
(05:18):
degradated, broken up in stomachacids.
How on earth does it buildmuscle?
Well, I think the answer tothat is some of it is broken
down into these short chains ofamino acids which we now know
not only pass through into blood, act directly, because of their
nano size, onto DNA, inducingspecific and inducing protein
synthesis.
(05:39):
So that, I think is is theanswer to that.
And people say, oh, it soundsintriguing but we don't really
know, do we?
Because we've only heard aboutit five minutes ago.
Well, no, unfortunately, that'snot true, because this was,
this was work started 40 yearsago and, as I say, during the
Soviet era it was a secret.
It was used by their troops, itwas used by their cosmonauts,
(06:02):
it was used by their Olympicteams.
It's only since Perestroikathat this stuff has now appeared
on the market and, of course,for a long time it was all in
Russian, and you know now I'mnot saying all of it, but much
of it is in English.
So it's suddenly opening up andthe people are becoming aware
of what these things are andwhat they can do.
Stephen (06:25):
Yeah, and thank gosh because they're they're so
powerful.
I mean, they're just amazing.
And the thing I love aboutbioregulating peptides is they
make such, they make so muchsense on like a simplistic level
they're not this medicationthere that it makes sense that
if you want to build muscle, youeat the muscle of an animal,
(06:47):
right, like the.
And if I wanted to potentiallyrepair my liver, I might eat the
liver of an animal or my heart.
I want to improve my heart, Ieat the heart of an animal.
There is this thing in naturethat, as these specific proteins
that we share, very similarwith animals, like a heart, is
what 99% the same in terms ofthe protein structures for an
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animal and us, as those thingsbreak down, they break into down
into small chemical signaturesthat turn on us repairing our
own heart, right, and, and allyou they've done is systematize
these things so that you cantake them in pills or organ
system.
Phil (07:27):
It's become more accurate and it's become more potent
because they can be specificextracts.
It goes right back to, say, thework of Western price.
And there's today, there's theWestern Price Institute, who
showed back in the 20s, 30s or40s that kind of time period
that he studied these nativetribes in different parts of the
(07:47):
world and some of which, ofcourse, don't exist anymore, and
he was showing that becausethey were eating the whole
animal.
For one example, there was aone tribe who were eating the
next.
I think they may have been inPakistan, I might maybe the Huns
, as I think I might have gotthat wrong but they were eating
the necks of animals and thusconsuming the thyroid right, and
he couldn't find any trace ofthyroid issues in these people.
(08:09):
And of course, in those earlyperiods I mentioned 20s to 40s
the key doctors then were usingorgan extracts I still use today
, don't get me wrong.
But what I think has developedsince then is we've got more
specific into knowing what is inthese tissues and how they're
acting, and I think it'sbeginning to make sense.
(08:30):
And what we should say is thesepeptide byrheal is.
They're in nature, they are infood groups, and what the
Russians have shown with theirresearch is quite amazing.
They work in humans, they workin animals and got some very new
news for you, which is only afew months old.
University of Tel Aviv has beenusing these peptides in
(08:51):
strawberries and they'rediscovering that the plants
produce nearly 30% morestrawberries on the same plant.
So even yes, so that is a magicnumber.
We'll come back to the number30, because I'll get into that
for you if you want me to.
So they're used throughoutnature.
They're fundamental.
Stephen (09:10):
Yeah, I mean it's and it's fascinating to think that
you can get it still in thispill delivery, because you know,
a lot of times when peoplethink about peptides they think,
oh, I have to inject them.
And you know, I have yet totalk about peptides on this
podcast.
I am going to get into itbecause I've been using them for
10 years and I just neverthought they would get this
popular.
And I guess now people havecrossed that line where they're
(09:33):
willing to inject themselveswith a needle and I think it's
worth it.
But these in particular,there's bioregulating ones.
You can just orally take them.
Phil (09:42):
It does set them apart from everything else.
You're absolutely right, partlyas we talked about earlier,
about the length of this aminoacid chain.
You simply can't deliver arather long string of amino
acids, you know, through themouth.
There's a 50-50 chance it mighthave some effects sublingually,
but really, in terms of a drugdelivery, it has to be injected
(10:04):
or possibly as a nasal spray.
But the problem with both ofthose routes is that even if you
put vitamin C into a vial orinto a nasal spray, most of the
governments around the worldwill say that's a drug because
of the nature of the delivery.
So the fact that these and, bythe way, there are 21 available
(10:24):
commercially, the fact thatthese are in pill form and they
work and we can get into some ofthe aspects of what some of
them are doing, makes them standhead and shoulders above most
of them that are commerciallyavailable today.
Stephen (10:38):
Yeah, I think the implications for these, I think
these things are going to bemassive when they finally get
their do you know, spotlight.
Let me do it real quick, justto kind of cover the basics,
because the naming conventionsand the there's synthetic,
there's naturals, naturals.
I just want to cover those realquick.
You know, in terms of whatwould be the difference, you
(11:00):
know one, I assume.
One is coming naturally fromactual organ, organ meat and the
other one is coming to bespecific yeah.
Yeah, and then the syntheticones are actually like
engineered to synthetically toreproduce the same thing, right?
Phil (11:17):
Not so many of those available, eight or 10.
I've got the number of down patbut there's 21 of the natural.
Okay, but they mirrored.
I mean you know it's thyroid orpineal or, unless you want me
to get into the brand namesbecause it's like learning
another language, unfortunatelythere are so many crazy names.
I normally stick to the glandor tissue names.
Stephen (11:38):
Yeah, let's stick to the gland or tissue until we've,
you know, really like laid downsome, some good fundamentals.
But I think that for for mostpeople, they probably should
just start with the naturalsanyways, unless they're
experiencing some sort ofemergence of something where
they need a synthetic.
Phil (11:54):
Exactly.
Well, I can tell you that inthe Russian clinics where they
utilize these both as injectionsand as orals in the majority,
of course, we're talking aboutmore severe cases for people
being treated.
In those cases they tell me andagain I would come back to if
you have a medical problem, youmight want to consider this.
(12:14):
If you don't, and you'relooking in a supportive,
regenerative kind of way, Idon't think you need to go down
this, this route.
But basically, in Russia, in aclinic, they would start you on
a synthetic the class is knownas cytogens that's a class of
the synthetics, okay, and theywould start you on that and they
(12:35):
probably have you on that for amonth maybe a bit longer in
some cases, but that's typicaland then, after that month, they
would switch you to thenaturals, which, as a class, are
known as cytomaxes.
And I've asked the obviousquestion Well, why do you do
that?
And the answer has been thesynthetics appear to work faster
(12:55):
.
However, the naturals lastlonger in their efficacy.
So I would also say that themajority of the human studies
that have taken place and we canget into some of those if you
want to have used the naturalsOkay, and there is also an
argument although this is a bitof a legalese that the naturals
(13:16):
are food supplements becausethey are extracts of cow.
And before anyone gets excitedand says, oh my God, man, cow
disease, or something like that,these apart from the fact that
the carbs are especially breadand clean and checked and all
the usual veterinarian inDenmark, by the way, for all the
(13:37):
veterinarian processes theactual size of the molecule
which is filtrated down is nano.
That's so small for a prion tocause a problem, to cause a
disease, it has to be Daltonsized and that's much, much
larger.
So they simply cannot get intothe product and in 40 years of
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application there has never evenbeen a serious side effect,
never mind a prion.
There's never even been aserious side effect.
Stephen (14:06):
That's a good thing to note.
So what you're saying is, justby getting down to the actual
bioregulating level, you areomitting yourself from having
the ability to even carrycertain things that might be
harmful, right that's exactly it.
Phil (14:28):
So, and also, when I make the statement, no serious side
effects, a lot of people rearback and say, because I mean
Professor Cavinson himself,who's the lead researcher in all
this, right from the inception,back in the 80s, back in the
early 80s, he reckons they'dbeen dosed 100 million times.
So that's a lot.
And of course they were givento, and literally it was given
(14:51):
to their elite troops, theircosmonauts and Olympic teams and
they're not going to endangerthose kind of people, right?
That's to be honest.
And I think it's because and Ishould explain the word
bioregulation, because it israther extraordinary, but
something that's been said to merecently it sounds like an
adaptogen.
So if anyone knows aboutadaptogens, I think, yes, it
(15:13):
does follow in the same class.
What am I talking about?
Well, let's use the thymus asan example.
So a lot of people out there arehypothyroid, maybe not
medically so, but they are, andI'm not making that up.
That was originally done by DrBroder Barnes and today his
mentor, dr Rick Wilkinson.
Both American docs and they'veestimated that between 50 to 60%
(15:38):
of the adult population has aweak thyroid.
Okay, so in other words, itcould be hypothyroid too little.
There are handfuls of peoplenot many but there is
hypothyroid, in other words,they've got too much going on in
the thyroid gland and there arevery big differences between
these people.
If you're hypothyroid, youcould have poor metabolism, you
(15:59):
might have cold hands and feet,your temperature control is not
very good, you feel a bit tired,you don't sleep very well, blah
, blah, blah.
Right, yeah, if you look athyperthyroid person, they're
almost the opposite They've gottoo much energy, they're
hyperactive, they're notsleeping very much, et cetera,
et cetera.
Yeah, so these bioregulatepeptides are turning on,
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activating or silencing specificgenes.
I don't think even ProfessorCavanson knows how they know
what to do, right.
But here's the weird thing theyliterally bioregulate between a
parameter.
So if you're going back to thethyroid, just as the example, if
you're a bit sluggish, theyseem to activate the genes
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responsible for our thyroidglands to endodiously produce,
naturally produce more thyroid,and of course that means in the
right area, because there arefour different known thyroid
hormones.
But if you're hyperthyroid, itmight silence the gene to bring
you down within this parameter.
Okay, and I think, althoughnobody fully understands how
(17:05):
they know which way to go, Ithink that's the reason for the
safety, because if you werebeing treated for that problem
and let's say you were taking athyroid hormone every day.
Clearly you have to bemonitored, because you don't
know what levels of thyroidhormones you have in your blood
because you're throwing thosetablets in every single day.
Okay, so you don't want to gotoo crazy or whatever you want
(17:28):
to get into that, but thesepeptides appear to do it
naturally.
Okay, and there is one caveatof course you need the gland.
It may sound silly, but thereare people who've had their
thyroids removed.
So in a woman, for example, ifshe took the testes peptide,
guess what?
It doesn't do anything becauseshe hasn't got any testes.
And in a man, an ovary peptidewon't do anything for them
(17:53):
either.
So there's not many of theprostrate as well, but there's
not many of those.
We do share a lot of otherthings in common, yeah.
Stephen (18:00):
Yeah, it's fascinating.
They really they do bring thebody back into homeostasis.
I mean, I have a whole storywith my fiance.
They were diagnosed with Gravesdisease.
You know, like her thyroidhyperthyroid, were out of
control and I had worked withthe doctor.
I said we're going to usepeptides.
(18:20):
I was like you know, and Iworked with this endocrinologist
and I've told this story before, but we fixed it and brought
the thyroid and everything backinto homeostasis and he couldn't
believe it because he justwasn't schooled in these things.
And they really are.
I just feel like it's let meask you this, because I get so
excited I don't even know whatto ask but, like, when you eat
(18:44):
certain, like we talk about, ifyou eat nose to tail, you are in
fact getting some of thesepeptides right, like it's,
you're already getting some ofyou if you eat like this and all
you're doing is saying, okay,let's take a little bit more of
a structured approach and let'sgo after.
How would someone go about this?
Like, maybe go after the lowesthanging fruit first?
Phil (19:05):
Yes, I mean just quickly to go back on the food side of
the equation, because there issomething that fascinates me in
that I've got a.
I did warn you at the start ofthis, steve, I'm a record tarot,
like telly stories, so I loveit.
I love it Back in 1981, I tookmy first degree in London and it
was it was called then food andI'll use the British expression
(19:26):
and vitamin technology, and Ithink today we call it nutrition
.
But the teacher on thisspecific day in the classroom
put up on the overhead projectorwho wasn't sorry, folks over no
PowerPoint then a pie chart andhe said this is typically what
you find in food.
Okay, and it was X percentageof vitamins, X percentage of
(19:50):
minerals, x percentage of oils Iprefer to use the word oils and
fats to save a lot of confusionbut most of it was fiber.
I think, if I remember rightly,up 55% or so was fiber.
Now, in 1981, nobody wasthinking a great deal about
fiber and the thought I had inmy head on that day in 1981 was
well, either fibers veryimportant, because I believe
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nature wastes nothing and we,you know everything, use
everything, it's all energy oneway or another or they've missed
something.
So fast forward to my firstmeeting with Professor Cavanson,
which I think was in 2009 or 10, where I heard him lecture in
Istanbul and he spoke about howthese short chain peptides in
foods act as gene switches.
For me, it was a light bulbmoment.
(20:34):
It was an epiphany, because ittook me back to that classroom
where I asked the question havethey missed something?
And I think the answer is yes,they.
At that time, they missed thepeptides in food.
Hey, listen, there's going tobe a lot else.
I'm I'm convinced whether it'slight, electric magnetism.
You know, it's a matrix ofthings, isn't it?
Yeah, I think it's a lot ofRussian's to produce this book,
(20:57):
which is called peptides in theepigenetic control of aging.
This is kind of serious.
Stephen (21:02):
I want to get that one.
Is that because I have?
I have the?
Yeah, I need to get that forsure.
Yeah.
Phil (21:09):
That's a sort of scientifically dive into things,
but for me, I think thesepeptides acting as gene switches
, individualized gene switchesexplains epigenetics.
Right, yes, you have to havethe raw materials to you know,
to build the house, but you alsohave to have the manager, the
blueprints.
So if you think of the genes assending the instructions, but
(21:30):
the materials have to beavailable to still build the
house, right, it's no goodhaving the blueprints and the
managers if the bloody buildingmaterials haven't turned up.
I think it's the same in thebody that you still have to have
both sides of this coin.
And so I think that's a really,really fundamental point for
these peptides.
Stephen (21:47):
Yeah, and you're using the innate intelligence of the
body as a healing mechanism.
I mean, we a lot of times inmedicine it just seems like they
, you know, you go against theinnate intelligence and you just
let's cut it out.
You know, let's cut the thyroidout.
It's producing too much thyroid, you know, and it's absurd.
You know, and I just feel this,this field of research in these
(22:10):
bio regulators are so elegantand the like it.
I just can't believe it's noteven respected, more and more
known in the US here, like it'skind of still sort of like oh,
is that Cavanson research?
You know, legit, I mean, it islegit, right, why do people have
such a problem with Russian?
Phil (22:31):
like science, that's a generational problem.
I was going to say my firstvisit to Russia I can't remember
where it was, in the 2000sanyway and I had to give a
lecture and they asked me to saya few words and I was
absolutely genuine when I stoodup and I said I've never been
here before.
I said, and I have to admit toyou, I came here with a certain
(22:52):
amount of trepidation and theonly thing I really knew about
Russia was it was a cold countryand as I was in St Petersburg
in February, it was cold, it wasminus 25 degrees.
Stephen (23:01):
Yeah.
Phil (23:02):
Never been so cold.
But there we are.
And I said to them.
I said you know, and I've comehere and I can tell you, I've
confirmed the fact that this isa cold country, but I'm so
delighted to find it full of somany warm people, you know that,
not only smart people, butgenuinely nice people.
And it reminds me of someonevery famous who I've forgotten,
who made the quote, when theysaid and everybody, you know,
(23:24):
okay, which country you comefrom, you can make this quote
and you can say I'm proud of mycountry, I'm just ashamed of my
government.
So, it's not for people.
Stephen (23:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
As somebody who's traveled to,you know Russia many times and
I've had some of my best friendswere from the Russian Olympic
team and you know Olympic teamsand fantastic people, great
hearts, I mean just straight up,and they've got one advantage
over the West at the moment, Iwould say, and that is they
(24:00):
still favor science, engineering, what I would call proper
subjects, okay, and they don'tkind of favor celebrity.
Phil (24:10):
You know what I mean and all that stuff that you know.
They're more practical than weare and, although I'm not saying
it's 100% true, I think thereis less politics involved in
their science than we have inthe West.
Yeah, so, and I like that,because maybe we're actually
looking at the results ofwhatever it is through the eyes
(24:31):
of science and results and notthrough people's opinions and
whatever else things they wantto get involved.
So I think that's generallytrue.
I'm not saying it's 100% true,but generally true.
But here's the good news, right, when I get people saying, yeah
, yeah, it looks fascinating, itlooks great, and we've seen the
publications and some of thiswork was replicated by the
(24:54):
National Institute of Aging inAmerica, but we're not convinced
.
Well, here's the good news.
There is an American doctor.
His name is Bill Lawrence, helives in Atlanta and for about
four years now he has been.
He's had 120 people most ofwhich are actually medical
doctors, strangely enough in atrial utilizing these peptides
(25:17):
under the original Russianprotocols, and he's now after
three years.
He's published the results andhe actually came and spoke at
our meeting in England last yearwhich we call the Profound
Health Summit, and if people areinterested in videos they can
go there and find out.
And we are going to invite himback for the next one, which is
going to be May next year, andhe's got something really
(25:40):
interesting.
He's going to talk about organregeneration Nice.
But what can I say about whathe's discovered in these 120
people?
Okay, two things.
He was looking for very muchwhich we could say the Russians
weren't, because most of theRussian studies were done in the
night.
Human studies were done in the90s and early 2000s and they
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monitored for a lot of differentthings.
But Bill because his patientswere healthy, there was nobody
there that was diseased, justaging, just disorders of aging
on their way to disease, but notthe disease in the current
sense.
He monitored two things veryclosely, not the only things,
but the two I'm going to mention.
One is telomere length and theother one is DNA methylation,
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which is the so-called Horvathclock, and we can get into those
things.
What's the good news?
The good news is every singleperson extended their telomeres
and every single person improvedtheir DNA methylation and those
in the night.
That's huge.
That's huge.
It was hard to improve DNAmethylation.
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Even Stephen Horvath up until afew years ago was saying I
don't think there's anything toimprove.
Yeah, it's profound On average.
I don't like averages, but onaverage in telomeres the average
patient improved their telieage, as it's called a biological
age of your length, throughyour telomeres.
In other words, improved thelength of telomeres by 4.69
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years if memory serves.
On average the best person was9 years.
Okay, and something similar inDNA methylation where they got
numbers of between three andfive years.
But those numbers actuallyspeak greater volumes because
Stephen Hall-Varth produced achart showing what it meant if
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you were biologically older,internally in your epigenetic
age, or biologically younger.
And so, for example, if you'refive years older in your DNA
methylation age, then yourchronological age you're at 100%
greater risk of mortality yeah,okay, but if you're five years
younger unfortunately it's notthe same number, but it's about
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60 to 70% less risk of mortalityyeah, pretty significant.
Stephen (27:58):
Yeah, the numbers blow up depending on, with probably a
few years difference in termsof like.
Like, aging does not help yourmortality, right?
You know?
So you don't want to be, youknow.
It's very interesting that whatyou're talking about in this
guide, bill Lawrence, and I willinclude all this stuff in the
show notes.
Basically it's StephenMcCaincombackslash bioregulators, it's
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B-I-O-R-E-G-U-L-A-T-O-R-S andlet's talk about okay, someone's
listening to this and they'relike I'm in.
I really I want to be a part ofthis.
I want to start doing it.
Where do they start?
I mean my?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Let me just see if it.
How good of a student I've beenof this Lowest hanging fruit.
Whatever organ systems you haveright now, like for me, like I
have cardiovascular in mygenetic lineage, so the blood
vessel ones, I think is always areally good thing.
That's also kind of anoperating system upgrade,
because if you improve bloodflow, you improve everywhere,
right?
Phil (29:02):
That's right.
No, these are all good things,stephen.
I mean, you know, if you're thekind of guy who's really deeply
into this, the number one do itis go and have tests and find
out.
Right, that's obvious, right,you can.
But, of course, where do youstart and where do you end,
right?
I mean, who's the guy that'sspeaking at Rad this year, who
spent millions and millions ofdollars on himself?
Stephen (29:20):
I remember saying that oh yeah, Brian Johnson.
Phil (29:22):
Thank you, thank you, you know not many people in that
position, right, becauseeverything in life comes down to
cost and convenience, right?
Stephen (29:31):
Yeah.
Phil (29:31):
I'm sure we'd all like to drive a Ferrari, but it's not.
You know, cost and conveniencecomes down to anyway.
Stephen (29:37):
Yeah, I met him, by the way, he's a nice guy.
He's a really nice guy.
I'll probably have him on thepodcast at some point, but he's
fascinating.
I met him in person and justreally, really interesting.
And you know, I like what he'sdoing.
You know, I mean I don't agreewith every single thing when I
look at his framework.
I've gone through it, but itdoesn't matter if I agree with
everything.
No one is ever going to agreewith everything you know period.
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No one's going to agree withwhat I do, no one's going to
agree with whatever.
So you know, just a troublewith medicine.
Phil (30:05):
Medicine has created an atmosphere of if this, do that,
if that, do this.
Our high cholesterol statin,our depression, prozac?
Life's not like that.
And the thing about anti-agingmedicine is we are highly
individualized, and thus theapproach to anti-aging has to be
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too, and the thing that worksfor me may do nothing for you,
steven, and vice versa.
Right, so, and of course thatmakes it more complicated, it
does create some issues, but inthe long run, you know, people
have often said oh it's, youknow, it's a bit costly to do
all these things, and blah, blah, blah.
And I?
My answer to that is well, ifyou think health is expensive,
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try disease.
Yeah, because you know, ifsomebody gets a diagnosis of
cancer, suddenly they'reremortgaging the house and doing
everything they can.
Right.
Yeah, that's not what you wantto be, obviously, yeah.
So we need a new approach.
You know you've probably heardthis before the ancient Chinese
doctors used to get paid whenpeople were healthy, whereas as
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soon as they got a problem, theystopped paying the doctor.
So it was in their interest toget them healthy again.
Stephen (31:13):
Yeah, so interesting approach.
Yeah, that's, that's so.
It's hilarious, you know, andthat's actually how it should be
.
Oh, funny, interesting.
Phil (31:24):
So you know, coming back to your, you know you mentioned
about eating from top to tail.
Yes, absolutely, and ourancestors not that long ago,
probably not even 100 years ago,wouldn't waste anything.
And if you look in England, ifwe look at old menus from the
Victorian and Edwardian times,there were recipes for cooking
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testicles and the you know, theinnards, the guts, and also, and
you know, people wouldobviously eat the black meat of
a chicken as well as the whitemeat of a chicken and then stew
the bones for soups andeverything was consumed and I
think there was a lot ofprotection in that which we now
we've become so fussy.
Oh, I don't want black chickenmeat.
Oh no, no, no.
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You know we've become so fussyabout and, and, and also think
that these different peptides,which are not only in these
different animal tissues, but indifferent plants as well, also
explains why we, as humans, haveto eat a plethora of different
foods.
Yeah, it's not as if we canjust eat Brussels sprouts.
Stephen (32:23):
You know we need to eat other things, exactly, yeah, I
so like.
This is great, by the way, interms of like a protocol and the
degree of intensity for aprotocol, like if someone is
like for me, like I have to wearthese damn glasses at the
lowest prescription, but itbothers me that I have to wear
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anything.
And so like for me, like I havethe visor mitt and eye drops,
but I don't think by the timethey get all the way to the US
of a and they haven't beenrefrigerated, they lose their
potency because they're not notgetting the same punch I did in
Moscow.
Phil (33:00):
So some customs are radiating things by bringing
back coming off the you know thecontainer.
Sometimes they get x-rayed.
That could be appropriate.
Stephen (33:11):
I didn't know that.
So, no, it's a good point.
So, like for me, in order tomaybe improve my eyesight and I
imagine blood flow to theeyesight.
We already talked about thefact that you know, with the
cardiovascular history in my, inmy, you know, disease in my, in
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my family, I would imagine the,the bio regulating peptide for
the blood vessel and then theeyes.
Those two would probably be.
How would you recommendattacking that and what sort of
a dosing protocol?
Phil (33:45):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Definitely the eye peptide,which is actually retina, the
retina peptide, okay, and alsodefinitely the blood vessel
peptide.
Now, I did an interview withKarenson a few years ago and I
asked him which combinations ofpeptides are synergistic and we
came up with various issues,problems and three peptides.
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Okay, the one that was in everysingle category was blood
vessel.
Yeah, and when you think aboutit, it's obvious, because if
you're improving blood flow,you're delivering more nutrition
, you're removing more toxins,exactly so, definitely the blood
flow.
And, as you said, there's somecardiovascular.
There is a heart peptide, bythe way, okay, but I think the
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retina and the and the bloodvessel for eyesight issues.
There is another product I canmention which isn't the peptide
by, or two other products Icould mention which isn't the
peptide by.
We'll come back to that in asec.
The other one that has a lot ofmagic is the pineal peptide.
Yeah, and we could go off for awhole session on the pineal
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gland by itself, right in thecenter of the brain.
But, I think most people know.
It produces melatonin amongstother things, and melatonin, of
course, is the core to gettingall our hormones on.
If the melatonin is gets intoour blood during darkness and
it's not there during light, soin other words, it's telling the
rest of our endocrine systemwhen it's daytime, when it's
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night, so you get a nicecircadian rhythm.
And we all know if we fly a loton jets or if we do shift work
how screwed up we can get in apretty short period of time.
So by adjusting the pineal asyou were, you get the circadian
rhythms right.
If you're on a nice circadianrhythm, your hormonal cyclicity
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is right, because hormones arecoming out at different times of
the day.
They're not all coming out allthe time.
Most of them come out firstthing in the morning, like
growth hormone, for example, isa big boost.
It's kind of the impetus to sayget up and get on with the day.
Right, yeah.
But there are other pulse site,smaller pulse site productions
of various hormones, maybe notas much as well.
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So the pineal gland was put tome by a friend of mine and a
great melatonin expert, anItalian gentleman by the name of
Dr Walter Pierpori, and Waltersaid this to me many years ago
and it stuck in my mind.
He said think of the pinealgland as the conductor of the
endocrine orchestra.
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He said if we didn't have aconductor, what would the
orchestra do?
It would make noise, but whenyou have a conductor, it makes
music.
So the pineal peptide is havinga direct action upon the pineal
.
I will also go out on a limbhere and say that we believe it
is also possibly the principalagent in elongating telomeres.
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Yeah, okay, so you're gettingthis double whammy.
You're getting these doublewhammy.
So how will it help your eyes?
Well, if for any reason, yourcircadian rhythms are out of
sync, ergo your hormonalpsychocity is, and that would
also mean a lessening of immunesystem.
You know it can get thatadjusted.
So those, I think, would be thethree core elements.
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Quickly, because I said therewere two other things I wanted
to mention.
Yeah, please.
Is a peptide, it's a dipeptide,it's called carnazine Carnazine
I knew you were going to saythat Grand is can see, and
although it depends on what theproblem is in your eye, there
are scientific studies showingit reverses cataract Eye drops.
Guess what Russian, but theycome out of the Helmholtz
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Scientist and Moscow, who gavethe world cataract surgery, so
anyway, so that's something youmight want to look at.
And another personal favor ofmine is a herbal extract called
vimposatin, or vimposatin if youprefer to call it.
That comes from the periwinkleplant and it is a brilliant
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vasodilator and it's been provento be of great benefit in some
of the smallest arteries andcapillaries which are found in
the eyes and the ears.
Nice, so, and it's also prettygood Neutropic as well.
So if you want to sort ofimprove memory, so that is one
of my personal favoritesupplements.
Stephen (38:03):
Yeah, the Vimpotato.
Vimpotato, what is it?
Vimposatin?
Phil (38:09):
or Vimposatin.
Stephen (38:10):
Yeah, that one is I've seen it around a million times
for years on like a kind of a asa satellite neutropic thing.
I didn't realize it has a vialof vasodilating properties that
I will definitely look into.
The can see eye drops.
I've used those with thevisometin you know eye drops for
years and I've had success withthat.
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Those things can burn thosecarnesine drops right.
Phil (38:36):
Depends where you get them from.
Okay, that would be a wholeanother thing to go down.
Look at the pH.
If the pH is around 6.5, thenyou have about a one in five
chances.
If the pH is over 6.7, you haveabout one in a thousand chance.
Can see is actually 6.7 to 6.9.
Interesting, just as we're intoeyesight, I should tell you the
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story of Professor SvetlanaTrophimova, who runs the Tree of
Life Clinic in St Petersburgand she is an eye expert, and of
all the peptide stories, if Ican call it that, it is possibly
the strongest one.
Now you've got the public bookthere in front of you there,
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stephen, the peptidebioregulated revolution.
There is another book writtenby the same doctor called the
Eye Sight Saviors, and there's achapter on each thing, but
there's one chapter on thisparticular peptide.
So what she does in her clinicis she uses the retina peptide
firstly as an injectable andit's injected into the orbit of
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the eye.
So that's the sunken bit.
If you think of a skull, that'sthe sunken bit, but it is not
injected into the eye.
What they do is they do likepinprick, like subcutaneously
into the skin around the eye,like that, and they would do
that every day for 10 days andthen they will send the patient
home with the boxes of thepeptides so pretty much the
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three I just told you and theywould ask them to take two
capsules every day.
Now I'll get into dosing at theend, because not everybody
needs to do that.
But what you see in those bookswhich come from her
publications are the before andafter computerized topological
scans of their retina, andeverybody can work it out
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because it's very simple theblack areas is no eyesight, the
red areas is very poor eyesight,the yellow areas is OK eyesight
, the green areas is 2020.
And you will see, that was oneextreme case of a lady, quite an
elderly lady, who was 90, 90percent blind in her one eye.
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Now most people would tell you,when you're that far gone on
anything, the chances of makingany substantive improvements are
very, very low.
After a year or so they tookher back to 30 percent blind in
that eye.
Now that may not sound like acure, if that's the word we can
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dare to use, but it's made sucha difference in her life.
It now means that she can seethe grandchildren, she can see
movement, she can see where thefurniture is around the accident
, etc.
But with other patients who areperhaps 10, 15, 20 percent
blind in the eye they're not soand also anybody out there who's
an eye doctor.
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There's one particular eyeproblem.
It's called retinitispigmentosa.
It's almost invariably genetic.
There is no clinic in the worldthat we have known or heard of
who can do anything about it,except the Tree of Life Clinic.
Stephen (41:54):
Wow, yeah, I have seen that book on your on the website
and I've almost bought it likeso many times and now you've
just convinced me.
I'm just going to load up onthese things.
But just phenomenal, theimplications of the simple like
yeah, people aren't going to belike going home and injecting.
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You know, I'm actually gottenso damn good with needles I
could, I'm comfortable doingthings that were unthinkable,
you know, years ago for myself.
But the fact that you couldtake some, some, some pills and
potentially regenerate some ofthis stuff and put some eye
drops in your eyes is, I mean,look at, that's, that's fountain
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of youth type stuff.
I mean that that's that kind of.
That's the whole.
You know, that's the game.
That's what we're trying to do.
We're trying to outsmart the.
You know we're not trying tooutsmart.
Phil (42:48):
Bill Lawrence is kind of on a crusade because he meets a
lot of American doctors and ofcourse a lot of them are not
going to mention their names.
They're good people, but youknow they're very proficient in
what I call the Americanpeptides, you know BCP 157 or
those sorts of things, and heknows that they want everything
injected because of efficacy,partly because it means you have
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to go into the doctor's office.
Yeah, exactly, it shouldn't beso facetious.
Good reason to see healthprofessionals.
Folks go and see them and soyou know.
But as Bill's been saying, youdon't need to with the peptide
bioregors because they worktaken orally and here's the
proof.
So that's what he's.
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His next thing, now that he'sworking on a paper, is to show
organ regeneration.
So, and as I say, we hope inEngland next year he's going to
come over and lecture on thatyeah, fantastic yeah, because it
makes me.
There's a lot here.
There's a lot here.
Stephen (43:46):
Yeah, there really is, and it's exciting.
I mean, let me ask you this theinjectable epitaeon is
basically the pineal glandbioregulator, right, and since
that pineal peptide usedprimarily by injection.
Phil (44:03):
however, there is a subling wool version of it, so
spray.
Stephen (44:08):
Okay, yeah, I've been using the epitaeon with the
thymoline combo for I'll do oncea year or twice a year,
depending on like the dosageinjected.
I've been doing that for acouple of years and it does
reset your circadian rhythm andif you think about it like
that's your master clock,everything, that's what kind of
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brings all allows every organsystem to reconnect and say
we're all in the same time framehere.
Right, we're all in the sametime frame.
And sleep improves skin quality.
There's, you just feel, senseof well being.
It's an amazing protocol.
Phil (44:45):
Immunity yes, stronger immunity.
And again, with the thymoline,which folks out there don't know
.
We're talking about thymus,thymus peptide and very, very
recent studies fairly recentstudies anyway showing that it
will improve diabetic leg ulcersand similar, oh really.
So if you're up there withdiabetic ulcers, take a look at
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thymoline.
Stephen (45:06):
Wow.
So if someone really wanted todive into all of this stuff,
where can they go?
Where do you recommend they goto like learn this stuff?
I mean, you obviously showedsome books and do you have
articles on your website.
Is there something they couldyou know?
Phil (45:21):
Yeah, thanks, tim.
Well, anyone can go toantiaging-systemscom.
Listen, we got thousands ofstuff on there.
We were talking earlier.
We've been building that forever, since 1996.
We've got lots of, but we'vegot a pretty good index.
So if you go in or you type inpeptide, bioreglet, it will show
you the list and stuff likethat and you will see us
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articles with references.
There will be some podcasts,there will be some videos on
there as well, which are onYouTube, of course.
And but if you want a sort oflighter approach, have a look at
our magazine which is calledaging-matterscom, and not every
single magazine goes intopeptides, but there are several
magazines where we'veinterviewed Cavinson, we've
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interviewed Bill, we, you know,work with other people who are
using them, so there's quite abit there.
Or if you're on the oppositeend of the scale and you want to
go into a deep dive, then Ihave to recommend you go to
cavernsoninfo, which isProfessor Cavinson's site, where
you know the medicalpublications are listed.
Stephen (46:24):
Fantastic.
I will definitely put links toeverything you just mentioned in
there.
And I've read a ton of yourarticles over the last 10 years
and and like I told you beforewe were talking, it's been
almost like this like this, likedirty little, like private area
, like underground medicine thatno one knew about for so long
and I'm like how can no oneknows about this?
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I'm like this stuff is gold.
Phil (46:46):
You know, I can sometimes say to my team I think we should
be on the dark web.
Actually.
Stephen (46:53):
But I mean the stuff is so well written, the
information and everythingthat's on those you know, like
in that suite of sites that youguys kind of all work together
the international anti agingsystems and profound health and
all that like the.
There's some amazing productson there as well.
Phil (47:11):
We've tried very hard.
You know I've been doing it forover 30 years.
Right from the inception wewere interested in preventative
and regenerative medicine andwe've tried very hard to work
with very serious people.
You know you'll see the nameson our websites.
You'll even have testimonialsand well known doctors saying I
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like working with IS, which isvery nice where it makes me very
humble.
You know, people that I startedout as heroes have become
friends.
So I feel very, very honored inthat position.
But everything is referenced.
We tell you who said it, wetell you where it came from.
We give you the PubMed where itis available.
We're not making anything upand even though there are
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several stories on our website,this being one of them, where a
lot of people say I find thatvery hard to believe, especially
when they hear that theinformation is decades old, not
five minutes ago.
But then one of my little jokesis because there are a million
medical publications every year.
There are 50 million online,and I'm just talking about
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medical publications, notgeneral health and fitness.
Okay, who's reading all that?
So my little joke is whenpeople say oh, I can't believe
it or it sounds too good to betrue, and I say it's published
and they go it can't be.
I say, well, you know, if youwant to keep something a secret,
publish it.
Stephen (48:33):
Yeah, I mean, I just am so baffled that this stuff is
still relegated to some sort oflike yeah, it's, you know, not
real medicine type thing, andit's like I get it because it
kind of flies in the face oftraditional medicine.
It's like it's like the bodyusing its own innate
intelligence to fix its own selfin a way that's built upon
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nature, you know.
Phil (48:57):
I think you know what the problem is, stephen, but for
folks out there who may not,medicine has been arranged I'm
going to be very outspoken intoa kind of cartel.
If you go back to howallopathic medicine started with
John D Rockefeller back in the20s and 30s fantastic book to
read by one of my heroes, edwardG Griffin, called World Without
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Cancer, we'll explain that howit came about.
And you know and since thendoctors have been trained in
this closed school about it'sbasically how to sell their
products.
And if you come along with aproduct as the great Dr Belinsky
in America one of the very,very, very few people who has
ever got a drug approved by theFDA, who isn't a big
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pharmaceutical company you findout that you need so much money
and resources I mean, it's overa billion dollars now and not
many people have that kind ofmoney to invest.
And the other problem is andthis is the thing that comes up
if you go to a bigpharmaceutical company, let's
say you've got the cure forcancer right, and you go along
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and say look at this.
And they'll go wow, that'sfantastic.
But the first question will becan we patent it?
And if it's a natural molecule,it's very, very difficult to
get a controlling patent, andyou're not going to spend a
billion dollars to get thatapproved and it could still take
10, even more years to them.
Find that everybody can sell itbecause you didn't get a patent
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, yeah, and so lots of thingsget written off, especially
natural molecules, and so theynever get in front of the
doctors who are working inorthodox medicine, as I like to
call it.
Stephen (50:36):
Yeah, now it's a great point.
I mean, basically medicine ispolitics.
I mean that's what it's become.
Phil (50:43):
It is.
In fact I go even further Now.
I'm getting to a certain age,I'm getting a bit bolder, I
suppose, and I say the troublewith medicine is it's sick.
Stephen (50:54):
Yeah, I like that.
I've got a lot of good nuggetsI'm probably going to be using
from you for the rest of theyear.
But you know, I mean like myrecommendation, I'm just going
to throw something out there,like if you're listening to this
podcast and take the lowesthanging fruit that you've got,
pick something.
Let's say you can't even thinkof anything.
Take a pineal gland, take athymus bioregulator and add the
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blood flow, the blood vessels.
Yeah, take those three and do aprotocol and maybe you could
tell us like the best protocoland start with that and see if
you do not have a circadianrhythm reset, if you do not feel
better in some regard, and ifyou do, just build off that
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protocol Now start attacking orgoing after some things, maybe
where you have weaknesses thatyou feel like you can regenerate
right.
Phil (51:46):
No, you're right, Steve.
If you know your weaknesses, ifyou know that you have weak
adrenal glands, as an example,or a poor thyroid, then bang,
you've got a target to go forright.
If you don't, and you're notdoing testing that shows
anything, the only other way todo it is look at your family
history.
What a mum and dad suffer, withgrandparents, whatever, or
brother and sister's even.
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You know.
Of course, a lot of familieshave a specific problem, not all
families, of course, but youcan look at a family and say
they get a lot of cancer, theyget a lot of heart disease, they
get a lot of diabetes.
There's a general rule thattends to happen, so that's
another way of coming at it.
The three you've just saidpineal thymus, blood vessel very
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good choice and one of the andthat's the three.
I go on regularly.
Oh nice, and I'll tell youabout those in just a second.
And why do I say that?
Because some of the actualclinical trials, the big human
clinical trials that were donein the Soviet Union, are so
massive and so unbelievable thatmost pharmaceutical companies
would fall over.
The biggest one they ever didwas with the workers in Gazprom,
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which is Russia's oil and gasindustry and this is in Siberia.
It's pretty tough environment,right, even living in.
It's not an office worker inNew York, okay.
So that's pretty tough and waitfor it.
They studied just over 11,000people and they've monitored
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them over although I have toadmit the numbers went down with
the years, but I'll get intothat Over 12 years.
And they put 3000 of those11,000 people on multivitamins
as a placebo, so people didn'tknow if they were getting the
peptides or the vitamins.
So about 8000 people on thepeptides, about 3000 people on
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the vitamins.
These people started at the ageof sort of like 40 to 60.
Of course, some of these folkshad been well retired when they
were following up with them 12years later, and I want to point
out that in that part of Russiathe average longevity of people
is not as good.
Okay, it's not what it is inthe West.
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Okay, so long story short.
What happened?
What happened was that at theend of the study period, the
people in the peptide group hadone third of the morbidity of
those in the vitamin group.
In other words, they sufferedfrom two thirds less Wow Disease
.
And that's a big number.
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That's huge.
But beyond that, believe it ornot I mean keep coming back to
this number of 30% and I'll getinto that if you want me to it
seems to be a biological cellreserve, okay.
They also, the people in thepeptide group, had one third of
the mortality.
In other words, they were twothirds less likely to die.
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Okay, so that's a big number,isn't it?
And the three that stood out onregular use were the three
you've already mentioned pinealthymus, blood vessel, that's not
to say, in other trials theydidn't use other peptides and
other groups of people theydidn't use it.
There was another study intractor workers in a city called
Kazan, which is central Russia.
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There was 3,000 people in thatstudy Again, big number, I think
over six years, if I rememberrightly.
Very similar results.
And then there was anotherfactory in what we now call the
Ukraine, and I think that was athousand people studied over
five years and it was a carfactory.
Very similar results.
So they have done this andthey've done it in a big way.
Stephen (55:22):
So the studies are out there.
They're done.
Phil (55:25):
Studies are out there.
Studies are out there and, ofcourse, they did it in animals
prior to that and they did it invitro prior to that.
So, yeah, they did all thehomework, they did it properly,
and so what else can we say?
I could tell you the Olympicstory I mean as yourself, as an
Olympian, please, you might likethis one.
(55:45):
So, in specifically, of course,these substances are not on any
bandless, you know, verythey're not actually want to ban
eating meat and plants.
It's going to be quite tricky,isn't it?
But basically, it was the whenwas the London Olympics 2012.
2012.
Thank you, 2012 it was.
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So this is, or was, the Russianwomen's Olympic team who won
gold at the 2012 London Olympics, and I've got a great picture
of the girls standing there withtheir coach and and Cavinson,
actually compressor Campton inthe middle, and the various
coaches.
So what can we say about thesegirls?
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Well, top of their game.
If you win a gold at theOlympics, aren't you at the top
of your game?
Yeah, you must be, mustn't you?
Yeah, and so, and there's, ofcourse, no arguing about their
fitness.
You know they're 20 year oldswho can, you know, do what
gymnasts do?
So I mean just incredible.
But when they came back toRussia with their gold medals,
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the Institute decided to runsome blood work on, and they
were actually shocked that theirtelomeres were equivalent to a
40 year old Wow, not a 20 yearold gold winner, wow.
And the theory is that, whilstI think everything in life is on
a, is on a curve, and thatcurve is either you shape or
bell shape.
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What am I talking about?
Too much or too little ofanything, whether it's drinking
water or whatever it is, or evenexercise, can be damaging.
You want to be in the middle.
The middle might be there, orthe middle might be there, but
the middle.
So, the theory is that theirintensive exercise regime in
leading up to the Olympics wastoo much.
Here's the good news they putthem on a number of peptides and
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they found that within two tothree weeks it may have been
four weeks their telomeresnormalized, wow.
And they did the same thingwith their cosmonauts.
You send the cosmonauts off forlong periods in space, and I
know they exercise in space now,but nonetheless, if they're up
there every year and they comeback to the planet, they're a
bit of a mess, yeah, and they'reweak Despite the Sure.
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Yeah.
What they find is they put themon the peptides, they induce
protein synthesis and they cannormalize them within one to
three months, absolutely.
So something very fundamentalgoing on, yeah, and the person
tells me that the Chinese aredoing it as well.
I've got no evidence of that,but they're open about this.
There's a paper on it aboutthese Russian girls, and so you
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can go and read it for yourself,and so, yeah, so there's a lot
of avenues you can go down withthis, obviously.
Stephen (58:23):
Yeah, I mean I look at somebody who trained as hard as
a human being.
I literally trained so hard onetime that my body wouldn't let
me actually get on the equipment.
I wouldn't send the signal likeit basically said I'm done.
And I mean, when you talk aboutperformance and world-class
caliber performance, that is notgood for health, like I'm sure
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my telomere is shortened so muchfrom gymnastics, but that's why
I'm into this stuff now.
Phil (58:52):
So that yeah.
The good news is you canresurrect it.
Yeah, it's not a one-way street.
You can do something about it.
You're saying that you got thiskind of shock before you got on
the equipment.
I get that before I get in thecar to go to the gym.
Stephen (59:08):
That's great.
I love that.
Yeah, I'm glad that I'm in goodcompany here.
I'm not the only one that was.
Phil (59:16):
Go have a laugh.
Stephen (59:16):
Yeah, life's got to be fun, have a laugh.
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Well, I didn't realize therewas so much published.
I had no idea.
To be honest with you, and Ifeel a little irresponsible in
that regard.
I'm one of the persons whoclearly have just read enough
books and articles on this stuffand have used it enough to be
like I know it's workingUnequivocally.
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I know 100%.
I can feel it.
But when you're trying toconvince people, especially I'm
sorry to interrupt you.
Phil (59:49):
I'll tell you my story.
When I first met Camerson in2009, 2010, I had that light
bulb moment.
I came back and I toldeverybody.
I said this is incredible.
I got to look into this.
This is amazing.
But I was still skeptical.
First time you ever hearanything and you go, I don't
know.
It sounds good, but I don'tknow.
And then, over about a course ofa year, I read more, I looked
in, I started talking to peopleI knew and I met him again funny
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enough, in Brussels, and onthat occasion I was able to have
a one-to-one chat with him andwe sat down with a drink and had
a good chat and it was sinkinginto the grey matter.
About two years in I thought,okay, let's get hold of some of
this stuff and let's startfinding out.
And initially I sent thesamples, as it were, out to
doctors.
I worked with quite a lot andpeople I know very well, and I
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still was skeptical.
I was still sitting on thefence saying I don't think I'm
going to hear anything.
But I was literally expectingto hear.
Eh, used it for three months,nothing, because I thought
everything came back was sopositive.
I was flabbergasted, to behonest, and it has been quite
something.
I mean, I'm not going to lie toyou.
(01:00:57):
There are certain peptides thatseem to have a more profound,
faster action than others.
One of them, for example, isthe adrenals.
Of course it depends if youhave a problem or not, but I
think there's again a lot ofpeople out there, older people,
who are having adrenal fatigue.
They get to, I don't know,three o'clock in the afternoon
and they want to go and lie down, don't they?
(01:01:18):
Yeah, that's a quick fix.
The thymus sorry, the thyroidis another one that people get
fast results on Because suddenlyyou're sleeping better, energy
is better, aperture regulationis better, by the way.
Nice, easy way.
I like to actually look at whatdoctors did before there were
blood tests.
That was a time when theyactually spoke to patients and
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asked them questions.
Because we've gone I'm notsaying that blood tests are
irrelevant not by any means, ofcourse but there's a lot that
can be gleaned from talking tothe patients, asking questions,
looking at them, physicallylooking at them, and I think
that's a good book on this bythe great endocrinologist
Thierry Hurthog of Belgium.
It's called the Atlas ofEndocrinology.
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It's a pictorial book of whatyou look like if you're too high
or too low in a specifichormone.
Oh, awesome, real people.
Amazing little reference guidedays and that's how and because.
The thing about Thierry is hisfather was an endocrinologist,
his grandfather was a.
He's a legend.
He's amazing that comes fromabout four or five generations
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of endocrinologists, so they'vegot pictures going back to the
early 1900s of people.
It's just incredible.
So, with that in mind, with thethyroid, the old fashioned way
of apart from, do you have coldhands and feet and are you
sluggish and all those questionsis take your temperature first
thing in the morning.
Now I'm going to speak Celsius,so if you need Fahrenheit, get
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your calculator out.
But first thing you do get outof bed in the morning and write
where's the thermometer, stickit in the ear, stick it on the
forehead, as you can now, andwrite that number down, okay,
and do that for about two weeks.
And then look at that list andask yourself where are you Now?
A good, healthy thyroid gland?
You should be Celsius between36.3 and 36.7.
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If you're in that banding, welldone, healthy thyroid.
But if you are regularly below36.3, and I've even heard of
people being down to 34.7, whichis really low, but even if
you're into 35s or somethinglike that, you definitely have a
weak thyroid, okay.
And conversely, if you areregularly over 36.7, you could
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well be hyperthyroid.
And so whatever it is you do inyour life, whether it's
consuming iodine, taking thyroidhormones, using the thyroid
peptide, whatever it is you'regoing to do, keep monitoring
yourself and watch your numberschange.
Obviously, I'm talking hereabout hypothyroidism.
It's that accurate.
(01:03:53):
You can literally monitoryourself by 0.1 degrees Celsius.
Stephen (01:03:59):
I really like that approach of I mean, look, I use
blood tests, I test my own bloodfor certain things.
I've learned how to do it fordoing it for so long.
But there is a way that there'ssome effort.
You can look at certain peopleand you can say, oh, they look
like they're this, or they looklike they're low in thyroid or
people with low thyroid.
Typically hair starts fallingout, they're cold hands.
Phil (01:04:22):
But I think that book is probably a good resource to dig
into and to kind of by the way,some people say the Mona Lisa
was hyperthyroid and you cantell that by looking at her
there you go.
Stephen (01:04:35):
Oh, because of the bug eyes.
The bug eyes, isn't it yeah?
Phil (01:04:39):
Also that picture is so alluring to people.
You can tell what is it abouther, and a lot of hyperthyroid
people have that.
Some of them have the deer inthe headlights.
Look, yeah, but it's a bit moreextreme.
Yeah, well, that's.
They have the energy.
You can sense this energy.
You can see this energy.
Stephen (01:04:55):
Yeah Well, man, this has just been very fruitful.
And again, for everyonelistening, I will put links to
everything in the show notes.
Also, we'll have a.
We will have a discount forbioregulating peptides for you.
It'll be check out theresources.
We're setting all that stuff upright now, but again it's at
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stevenmcaincom BIO-slash,backslash bioregulators, Gosh,
Stevenmcaincom Backslashbioregulators and Phil man, I
feel like I could just talk toyou all day about this stuff.
I mean, what a pleasure.
We chatted for an hour, I thinkbefore we even started this.
Phil (01:05:38):
Yeah, we did.
I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it.
I like I've reached a point inmy life where, if people are not
interested in what I have tosay, I ain't going to waste any
time, because I can move on andI don't want to stress myself
out as well.
I'm not here to convince peopleof anything, but when I've got
somebody like yourself whoreally is interested and we can
share stuff, then I really enjoyit.
Stephen (01:05:59):
Yeah, I mean, you're my kind of guy I really enjoy.
I'm so glad we met and by allmeans, do not be a stranger,
like, if you think of anythingor you just like, oh, I think
Steve would like this, you feelfree to reach out and thank you
for introducing to my audiencethese bioregulators, these magic
(01:06:23):
, simple organic compounds thatcan bring the body back into
homeostasis.
I mean, what an incredible.
There is no risk to trying thisstuff as far as I'm concerned.
No, right.
Phil (01:06:38):
I've got several what I call wow stories and we can get
into some of the others or someother future point if you ever
want to hear them, but none ofthem are as broad in their
possibilities as this one.
Other ones are quite specificfor this problem or that problem
, but these have enormousimplications.
Stephen (01:06:59):
Were you going to tell one?
Well, that is well.
What are the other wow stories?
What are one?
Phil (01:07:02):
of the other wows.
Well, the magic hand creamwhich can remove cataracts with
an eye drop.
I think that's a pretty wowstory.
Stephen (01:07:14):
Yeah.
Phil (01:07:15):
There's a skin cream that comes from the island of Vanuatu
, believe it or not, which isnear New Zealand and people.
This is almost a sort of thingthat gets you de-platformed by
saying this and you can cut itout afterwards, but it has been
shown in 80,000 patient cases tobe 100% successful in removing
skin cancer and they know why,and it's been published for over
(01:07:38):
30 years, mainly inAustralasian publications.
Interesting, so that's.
Maybe you want another sessionon that some other time.
Yeah, is all this stuff on thearticles and it's been in our
magazine as well, and I amdelighted to say that Bill
Edward Cham, the man whodiscovered this and spent 20
(01:07:58):
years of his life working on it,who lives is a biochemist, who
lives in Vanuatu is coming toEngland next year to tell us all
about it.
So I've never met him in person, so I'm really looking forward
to that.
Stephen (01:08:10):
Fantastic.
Well, phil, I will.
I'm definitely going to getback on some of your
bioregulators and I'm going tolook at some of these books.
I highly recommend check outthe resources for this podcast
and, phil, I love it.
I thank you so much forbringing this killer knowledge
(01:08:32):
and this is the kind of stuffthat can change people's lives.
Someone's listening to this andthey try it and all of a sudden
it's like you change the courseof someone's life.
So I respect that and I lookforward to seeing you when you
come to Vegas potentially A4M,yeah.
Phil (01:08:47):
Absolutely.
You'll have to buy me a mojito,though okay, I'll buy you a
mojito?
Stephen (01:08:56):
Yeah, that'd be great Fantastic.
Phil (01:08:59):
Great stuff.
Stephen (01:08:59):
Yeah, thanks again, phil, and for everyone that's
tuned in, thank you forlistening to this episode.
By the way, I'm coming out ofthe closet here and I had the
most famous virus.
Again.
Right now I'm dealing with it.
I think I dealt with it prettywell.
I'm still recovering, but Ididn't want to miss this podcast
, so check out the show.
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Note resources.
Phil (01:09:24):
Stay on.
After you stop, because I'dlike to tell you something.
Stephen (01:09:28):
Okay, definitely, and thanks everyone for tuning in
and we'll see you on the nextepisode of the Stephen McCain
podcast.
Stay healthy everyone.
Thanks guys.
Phil, thanks for coming on the Stephen McCain podcast
Welcome.
Phil (00:04):
Thank you.
It's a great pleasure to behere and I'm looking forward to
it.
Stephen (00:08):
Yeah, we met briefly on a like a mastermind call months
ago and I said, oh, this is theguy I've been wanting to meet
for a long time.
He's the bio regulating guy,and you mentioned a book that I
actually had on my desk at thetime because I was kind of re
referencing, you know, learningthat stuff.
So I I'm really excited tointroduce my audience to bio
(00:31):
regulators and you are the guyto do it.
So thank you again for coming.
Phil (00:36):
Well, I hope we can help people out there.
And because I like tellingjokes, I'll slip this one in.
People say it's veryeducational when they hear me
talk.
Well, they don't say that.
They say it taught them alesson.
But let's hope we can help somefolks.
Stephen (00:51):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure you'rea walt of knowledge on the stuff
.
So, when it comes to bioregulators, what are these
things, or what are we eventalking about here?
Like, let's just get down tothe basics of what is a bio
regulating peptide?
Phil (01:06):
Sure.
Well, the term has come to beused for peptides that have two
qualities.
The first quality is thatthey're very short chains.
So I think the folks that theyknow that all peptides are made
up of amino acids and it's whenyou've got two amino acids that
have conjoined, that's what'stechnically called a dipeptide
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two, three and four amino acids.
They are short chain aminoacids.
They can be one classificationfor bio regulators, but there is
a separate condition which I'llcome to.
But just to say that when youstart adding more and more and
more amino acids, you know wecan start changing the category.
You might start calling themproteins, you might even start
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calling them hormones.
So to take one of the longestexamples, human growth hormone
is a chain of amino acids madeup of 191.
That's enormous, that really isenormous, and we'll talk about
how the changing that length ofstring, as it were, changes the
way that you need to use theseproducts.
So the first thing to know isthat peptide bio regulators are
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short chains two, three, four,okay.
But they have a second qualitythat kind of needs to come from
the research, and that is theyact as gene switches.
And you know, as my old mentor,Dr Wardin used to say there
could be many, many more, wejust don't know, and that's
obviously true.
But what we're going to talkabout has principally been, well
(02:36):
, Soviet research.
In fact, it was a Sovietmilitary secret for many years
Now, of course is freelyavailable in Russia and Russian
speaking countries.
So it includes the Ukraine, itincludes Kazakhstan and, you
know, Georgia and othercountries in that region.
So, yeah, gene switches andthat is a little flippant thing
(02:56):
to say but has enormousimplications, yeah, I mean, I
love the whole.
Stephen (03:03):
Like I grew up in the Cold War era, right, and so you
know, I was a kid in the 80s andI remember the first time I
went to Moscow and I stood inthe Red Square because I was a,
I got to go there for acompetition Great.
I remember thinking I'm notsupposed to be here.
It was like so cool, likeMoscow is a very interesting
city to me.
It's got this incrediblearchitecture Like it's.
(03:25):
It's beautiful.
I was there in 2019, believe itor not and just visiting and I
I couldn't believe howunbelievable the city was, like
it had just gotten better andbetter.
But I went into like theequivalent of like a CVS or a
Walgreens and I bought somevisomitten, which is a I buy a
regulator right Like it's, and Istarted using these drops and
(03:49):
before I was in that, I wasthere for a week before I left.
I looked at my screen a coupleof days later and I thought,
wait, what did Apple do?
Did they upgrade my, the userinterface?
I was like this thing is likebrand new and I thought, oh my
God, these drops are working andso these things you can get
over there in Russia.
(04:10):
You know these tiny littlebioregulating gene switches that
can come in either a pill oryou know different delivery
mechanisms.
Right and correct me if I'm ifI'm wrong.
They, they don't even need a alike a receptor.
They pass right through thecell membrane, latch right onto
the DNA that's right and helpthe DNA start coding proteins to
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rebuild that particular organ.
Phil (04:37):
Because they're nano sized .
They actually and that'sanother thing as well the oral
ones.
They pass through the stomachwall.
They're not degradated bystomach acid because of their
length.
That's very, very short, and weI can do the steak story as
well, which I sometimes do.
At this point I'll do the steakstory.
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So, basically, a lot of peopleknow you want to put on muscle
mass, you're a naturalbodybuilder.
One of the things you may do isyou may eat lots of steak or
salmon or something like that.
So the question is if you'retrying to get protein into you
to build muscle and yet thesteak you're eating, the salmon
you're eating, is going, all theprotein in it is going to be
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degradated, broken up in stomachacids.
How on earth does it buildmuscle?
Well, I think the answer tothat is some of it is broken
down into these short chains ofamino acids which we now know
not only pass through into blood, act directly, because of their
nano size, onto DNA, inducingspecific and inducing protein
synthesis.
(05:39):
So that, I think is is theanswer to that.
And people say, oh, it soundsintriguing but we don't really
know, do we?
Because we've only heard aboutit five minutes ago.
Well, no, unfortunately, that'snot true, because this was,
this was work started 40 yearsago and, as I say, during the
Soviet era it was a secret.
It was used by their troops, itwas used by their cosmonauts,
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it was used by their Olympicteams.
It's only since Perestroikathat this stuff has now appeared
on the market and, of course,for a long time it was all in
Russian, and you know now I'mnot saying all of it, but much
of it is in English.
So it's suddenly opening up andthe people are becoming aware
of what these things are andwhat they can do.
Stephen (06:25):
Yeah, and thank gosh because they're they're so
powerful.
I mean, they're just amazing.
And the thing I love aboutbioregulating peptides is they
make such, they make so muchsense on like a simplistic level
they're not this medicationthere that it makes sense that
if you want to build muscle, youeat the muscle of an animal,
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right, like the.
And if I wanted to potentiallyrepair my liver, I might eat the
liver of an animal or my heart.
I want to improve my heart, Ieat the heart of an animal.
There is this thing in naturethat, as these specific proteins
that we share, very similarwith animals, like a heart, is
what 99% the same in terms ofthe protein structures for an
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animal and us, as those thingsbreak down, they break into down
into small chemical signaturesthat turn on us repairing our
own heart, right, and, and allyou they've done is systematize
these things so that you cantake them in pills or organ
system.
Phil (07:27):
It's become more accurate and it's become more potent
because they can be specificextracts.
It goes right back to, say, thework of Western price.
And there's today, there's theWestern Price Institute, who
showed back in the 20s, 30s or40s that kind of time period
that he studied these nativetribes in different parts of the
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world and some of which, ofcourse, don't exist anymore, and
he was showing that becausethey were eating the whole
animal.
For one example, there was aone tribe who were eating the
next.
I think they may have been inPakistan, I might maybe the Huns
, as I think I might have gotthat wrong but they were eating
the necks of animals and thusconsuming the thyroid right, and
he couldn't find any trace ofthyroid issues in these people.
(08:09):
And of course, in those earlyperiods I mentioned 20s to 40s
the key doctors then were usingorgan extracts I still use today
, don't get me wrong.
But what I think has developedsince then is we've got more
specific into knowing what is inthese tissues and how they're
acting, and I think it'sbeginning to make sense.
(08:30):
And what we should say is thesepeptide byrheal is.
They're in nature, they are infood groups, and what the
Russians have shown with theirresearch is quite amazing.
They work in humans, they workin animals and got some very new
news for you, which is only afew months old.
University of Tel Aviv has beenusing these peptides in
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strawberries and they'rediscovering that the plants
produce nearly 30% morestrawberries on the same plant.
So even yes, so that is a magicnumber.
We'll come back to the number30, because I'll get into that
for you if you want me to.
So they're used throughoutnature.
They're fundamental.
Stephen (09:10):
Yeah, I mean it's and it's fascinating to think that
you can get it still in thispill delivery, because you know,
a lot of times when peoplethink about peptides they think,
oh, I have to inject them.
And you know, I have yet totalk about peptides on this
podcast.
I am going to get into itbecause I've been using them for
10 years and I just neverthought they would get this
popular.
And I guess now people havecrossed that line where they're
(09:33):
willing to inject themselveswith a needle and I think it's
worth it.
But these in particular,there's bioregulating ones.
You can just orally take them.
Phil (09:42):
It does set them apart from everything else.
You're absolutely right, partlyas we talked about earlier,
about the length of this aminoacid chain.
You simply can't deliver arather long string of amino
acids, you know, through themouth.
There's a 50-50 chance it mighthave some effects sublingually,
but really, in terms of a drugdelivery, it has to be injected
(10:04):
or possibly as a nasal spray.
But the problem with both ofthose routes is that even if you
put vitamin C into a vial orinto a nasal spray, most of the
governments around the worldwill say that's a drug because
of the nature of the delivery.
So the fact that these and, bythe way, there are 21 available
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commercially, the fact thatthese are in pill form and they
work and we can get into some ofthe aspects of what some of
them are doing, makes them standhead and shoulders above most
of them that are commerciallyavailable today.
Stephen (10:38):
Yeah, I think the implications for these, I think
these things are going to bemassive when they finally get
their do you know, spotlight.
Let me do it real quick, justto kind of cover the basics,
because the naming conventionsand the there's synthetic,
there's naturals, naturals.
I just want to cover those realquick.
You know, in terms of whatwould be the difference, you
(11:00):
know one, I assume.
One is coming naturally fromactual organ, organ meat and the
other one is coming to bespecific yeah.
Yeah, and then the syntheticones are actually like
engineered to synthetically toreproduce the same thing, right?
Phil (11:17):
Not so many of those available, eight or 10.
I've got the number of down patbut there's 21 of the natural.
Okay, but they mirrored.
I mean you know it's thyroid orpineal or, unless you want me
to get into the brand namesbecause it's like learning
another language, unfortunatelythere are so many crazy names.
I normally stick to the glandor tissue names.
Stephen (11:38):
Yeah, let's stick to the gland or tissue until we've,
you know, really like laid downsome, some good fundamentals.
But I think that for for mostpeople, they probably should
just start with the naturalsanyways, unless they're
experiencing some sort ofemergence of something where
they need a synthetic.
Phil (11:54):
Exactly.
Well, I can tell you that inthe Russian clinics where they
utilize these both as injectionsand as orals in the majority,
of course, we're talking aboutmore severe cases for people
being treated.
In those cases they tell me andagain I would come back to if
you have a medical problem, youmight want to consider this.
(12:14):
If you don't, and you'relooking in a supportive,
regenerative kind of way, Idon't think you need to go down
this, this route.
But basically, in Russia, in aclinic, they would start you on
a synthetic the class is knownas cytogens that's a class of
the synthetics, okay, and theywould start you on that and they
(12:35):
probably have you on that for amonth maybe a bit longer in
some cases, but that's typicaland then, after that month, they
would switch you to thenaturals, which, as a class, are
known as cytomaxes.
And I've asked the obviousquestion Well, why do you do
that?
And the answer has been thesynthetics appear to work faster
(12:55):
.
However, the naturals lastlonger in their efficacy.
So I would also say that themajority of the human studies
that have taken place and we canget into some of those if you
want to have used the naturalsOkay, and there is also an
argument although this is a bitof a legalese that the naturals
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are food supplements becausethey are extracts of cow.
And before anyone gets excitedand says, oh my God, man, cow
disease, or something like that,these apart from the fact that
the carbs are especially breadand clean and checked and all
the usual veterinarian inDenmark, by the way, for all the
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veterinarian processes theactual size of the molecule
which is filtrated down is nano.
That's so small for a prion tocause a problem, to cause a
disease, it has to be Daltonsized and that's much, much
larger.
So they simply cannot get intothe product and in 40 years of
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application there has never evenbeen a serious side effect,
never mind a prion.
There's never even been aserious side effect.
Stephen (14:06):
That's a good thing to note.
So what you're saying is, justby getting down to the actual
bioregulating level, you areomitting yourself from having
the ability to even carrycertain things that might be
harmful, right that's exactly it.
Phil (14:28):
So, and also, when I make the statement, no serious side
effects, a lot of people rearback and say, because I mean
Professor Cavinson himself,who's the lead researcher in all
this, right from the inception,back in the 80s, back in the
early 80s, he reckons they'dbeen dosed 100 million times.
So that's a lot.
And of course they were givento, and literally it was given
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to their elite troops, theircosmonauts and Olympic teams and
they're not going to endangerthose kind of people, right?
That's to be honest.
And I think it's because and Ishould explain the word
bioregulation, because it israther extraordinary, but
something that's been said to merecently it sounds like an
adaptogen.
So if anyone knows aboutadaptogens, I think, yes, it
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does follow in the same class.
What am I talking about?
Well, let's use the thymus asan example.
So a lot of people out there arehypothyroid, maybe not
medically so, but they are, andI'm not making that up.
That was originally done by DrBroder Barnes and today his
mentor, dr Rick Wilkinson.
Both American docs and they'veestimated that between 50 to 60%
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of the adult population has aweak thyroid.
Okay, so in other words, itcould be hypothyroid too little.
There are handfuls of peoplenot many but there is
hypothyroid, in other words,they've got too much going on in
the thyroid gland and there arevery big differences between
these people.
If you're hypothyroid, youcould have poor metabolism, you
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might have cold hands and feet,your temperature control is not
very good, you feel a bit tired,you don't sleep very well, blah
, blah, blah.
Right, yeah, if you look athyperthyroid person, they're
almost the opposite They've gottoo much energy, they're
hyperactive, they're notsleeping very much, et cetera,
et cetera.
Yeah, so these bioregulatepeptides are turning on,
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activating or silencing specificgenes.
I don't think even ProfessorCavanson knows how they know
what to do, right.
But here's the weird thing theyliterally bioregulate between a
parameter.
So if you're going back to thethyroid, just as the example, if
you're a bit sluggish, theyseem to activate the genes
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responsible for our thyroidglands to endodiously produce,
naturally produce more thyroid,and of course that means in the
right area, because there arefour different known thyroid
hormones.
But if you're hyperthyroid, itmight silence the gene to bring
you down within this parameter.
Okay, and I think, althoughnobody fully understands how
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they know which way to go, Ithink that's the reason for the
safety, because if you werebeing treated for that problem
and let's say you were taking athyroid hormone every day.
Clearly you have to bemonitored, because you don't
know what levels of thyroidhormones you have in your blood
because you're throwing thosetablets in every single day.
Okay, so you don't want to gotoo crazy or whatever you want
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to get into that, but thesepeptides appear to do it
naturally.
Okay, and there is one caveatof course you need the gland.
It may sound silly, but thereare people who've had their
thyroids removed.
So in a woman, for example, ifshe took the testes peptide,
guess what?
It doesn't do anything becauseshe hasn't got any testes.
And in a man, an ovary peptidewon't do anything for them
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either.
So there's not many of theprostrate as well, but there's
not many of those.
We do share a lot of otherthings in common, yeah.
Stephen (18:00):
Yeah, it's fascinating.
They really they do bring thebody back into homeostasis.
I mean, I have a whole storywith my fiance.
They were diagnosed with Gravesdisease.
You know, like her thyroidhyperthyroid, were out of
control and I had worked withthe doctor.
I said we're going to usepeptides.
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I was like you know, and Iworked with this endocrinologist
and I've told this story before, but we fixed it and brought
the thyroid and everything backinto homeostasis and he couldn't
believe it because he justwasn't schooled in these things.
And they really are.
I just feel like it's let meask you this, because I get so
excited I don't even know whatto ask but, like, when you eat
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certain, like we talk about, ifyou eat nose to tail, you are in
fact getting some of thesepeptides right, like it's,
you're already getting some ofyou if you eat like this and all
you're doing is saying, okay,let's take a little bit more of
a structured approach and let'sgo after.
How would someone go about this?
Like, maybe go after the lowesthanging fruit first?
Phil (19:05):
Yes, I mean just quickly to go back on the food side of
the equation, because there issomething that fascinates me in
that I've got a.
I did warn you at the start ofthis, steve, I'm a record tarot,
like telly stories, so I loveit.
I love it Back in 1981, I tookmy first degree in London and it
was it was called then food andI'll use the British expression
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and vitamin technology, and Ithink today we call it nutrition
.
But the teacher on thisspecific day in the classroom
put up on the overhead projectorwho wasn't sorry, folks over no
PowerPoint then a pie chart andhe said this is typically what
you find in food.
Okay, and it was X percentageof vitamins, X percentage of
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minerals, x percentage of oils Iprefer to use the word oils and
fats to save a lot of confusionbut most of it was fiber.
I think, if I remember rightly,up 55% or so was fiber.
Now, in 1981, nobody wasthinking a great deal about
fiber and the thought I had inmy head on that day in 1981 was
well, either fibers veryimportant, because I believe
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nature wastes nothing and we,you know everything, use
everything, it's all energy oneway or another or they've missed
something.
So fast forward to my firstmeeting with Professor Cavanson,
which I think was in 2009 or 10, where I heard him lecture in
Istanbul and he spoke about howthese short chain peptides in
foods act as gene switches.
For me, it was a light bulbmoment.
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It was an epiphany, because ittook me back to that classroom
where I asked the question havethey missed something?
And I think the answer is yes,they.
At that time, they missed thepeptides in food.
Hey, listen, there's going tobe a lot else.
I'm I'm convinced whether it'slight, electric magnetism.
You know, it's a matrix ofthings, isn't it?
Yeah, I think it's a lot ofRussian's to produce this book,
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which is called peptides in theepigenetic control of aging.
This is kind of serious.
Stephen (21:02):
I want to get that one.
Is that because I have?
I have the?
Yeah, I need to get that forsure.
Yeah.
Phil (21:09):
That's a sort of scientifically dive into things,
but for me, I think thesepeptides acting as gene switches
, individualized gene switchesexplains epigenetics.
Right, yes, you have to havethe raw materials to you know,
to build the house, but you alsohave to have the manager, the
blueprints.
So if you think of the genes assending the instructions, but
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the materials have to beavailable to still build the
house, right, it's no goodhaving the blueprints and the
managers if the bloody buildingmaterials haven't turned up.
I think it's the same in thebody that you still have to have
both sides of this coin.
And so I think that's a really,really fundamental point for
these peptides.
Stephen (21:47):
Yeah, and you're using the innate intelligence of the
body as a healing mechanism.
I mean, we a lot of times inmedicine it just seems like they
, you know, you go against theinnate intelligence and you just
let's cut it out.
You know, let's cut the thyroidout.
It's producing too much thyroid, you know, and it's absurd.
You know, and I just feel this,this field of research in these
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bio regulators are so elegantand the like it.
I just can't believe it's noteven respected, more and more
known in the US here, like it'skind of still sort of like oh,
is that Cavanson research?
You know, legit, I mean, it islegit, right, why do people have
such a problem with Russian?
Phil (22:31):
like science, that's a generational problem.
I was going to say my firstvisit to Russia I can't remember
where it was, in the 2000sanyway and I had to give a
lecture and they asked me to saya few words and I was
absolutely genuine when I stoodup and I said I've never been
here before.
I said, and I have to admit toyou, I came here with a certain
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amount of trepidation and theonly thing I really knew about
Russia was it was a cold countryand as I was in St Petersburg
in February, it was cold, it wasminus 25 degrees.
Stephen (23:01):
Yeah.
Phil (23:02):
Never been so cold.
But there we are.
And I said to them.
I said you know, and I've comehere and I can tell you, I've
confirmed the fact that this isa cold country, but I'm so
delighted to find it full of somany warm people, you know that,
not only smart people, butgenuinely nice people.
And it reminds me of someonevery famous who I've forgotten,
who made the quote, when theysaid and everybody, you know,
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okay, which country you comefrom, you can make this quote
and you can say I'm proud of mycountry, I'm just ashamed of my
government.
So, it's not for people.
Stephen (23:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
As somebody who's traveled to,you know Russia many times and
I've had some of my best friendswere from the Russian Olympic
team and you know Olympic teamsand fantastic people, great
hearts, I mean just straight up,and they've got one advantage
over the West at the moment, Iwould say, and that is they
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still favor science, engineering, what I would call proper
subjects, okay, and they don'tkind of favor celebrity.
Phil (24:10):
You know what I mean and all that stuff that you know.
They're more practical than weare and, although I'm not saying
it's 100% true, I think thereis less politics involved in
their science than we have inthe West.
Yeah, so, and I like that,because maybe we're actually
looking at the results ofwhatever it is through the eyes
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of science and results and notthrough people's opinions and
whatever else things they wantto get involved.
So I think that's generallytrue.
I'm not saying it's 100% true,but generally true.
But here's the good news, right, when I get people saying, yeah
, yeah, it looks fascinating, itlooks great, and we've seen the
publications and some of thiswork was replicated by the
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National Institute of Aging inAmerica, but we're not convinced
.
Well, here's the good news.
There is an American doctor.
His name is Bill Lawrence, helives in Atlanta and for about
four years now he has been.
He's had 120 people most ofwhich are actually medical
doctors, strangely enough in atrial utilizing these peptides
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under the original Russianprotocols, and he's now after
three years.
He's published the results andhe actually came and spoke at
our meeting in England last yearwhich we call the Profound
Health Summit, and if people areinterested in videos they can
go there and find out.
And we are going to invite himback for the next one, which is
going to be May next year, andhe's got something really
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interesting.
He's going to talk about organregeneration Nice.
But what can I say about whathe's discovered in these 120
people?
Okay, two things.
He was looking for very muchwhich we could say the Russians
weren't, because most of theRussian studies were done in the
night.
Human studies were done in the90s and early 2000s and they
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monitored for a lot of differentthings.
But Bill because his patientswere healthy, there was nobody
there that was diseased, justaging, just disorders of aging
on their way to disease, but notthe disease in the current
sense.
He monitored two things veryclosely, not the only things,
but the two I'm going to mention.
One is telomere length and theother one is DNA methylation,
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which is the so-called Horvathclock, and we can get into those
things.
What's the good news?
The good news is every singleperson extended their telomeres
and every single person improvedtheir DNA methylation and those
in the night.
That's huge.
That's huge.
It was hard to improve DNAmethylation.
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Even Stephen Horvath up until afew years ago was saying I
don't think there's anything toimprove.
Yeah, it's profound On average.
I don't like averages, but onaverage in telomeres the average
patient improved their telieage, as it's called a biological
age of your length, throughyour telomeres.
In other words, improved thelength of telomeres by 4.69
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years if memory serves.
On average the best person was9 years.
Okay, and something similar inDNA methylation where they got
numbers of between three andfive years.
But those numbers actuallyspeak greater volumes because
Stephen Hall-Varth produced achart showing what it meant if
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you were biologically older,internally in your epigenetic
age, or biologically younger.
And so, for example, if you'refive years older in your DNA
methylation age, then yourchronological age you're at 100%
greater risk of mortality yeah,okay, but if you're five years
younger unfortunately it's notthe same number, but it's about
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60 to 70% less risk of mortalityyeah, pretty significant.
Stephen (27:58):
Yeah, the numbers blow up depending on, with probably a
few years difference in termsof like.
Like, aging does not help yourmortality, right?
You know?
So you don't want to be, youknow.
It's very interesting that whatyou're talking about in this
guide, bill Lawrence, and I willinclude all this stuff in the
show notes.
Basically it's StephenMcCaincombackslash bioregulators, it's
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B-I-O-R-E-G-U-L-A-T-O-R-S andlet's talk about okay, someone's
listening to this and they'relike I'm in.
I really I want to be a part ofthis.
I want to start doing it.
Where do they start?
I mean my?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Let me just see if it.
How good of a student I've beenof this Lowest hanging fruit.
Whatever organ systems you haveright now, like for me, like I
have cardiovascular in mygenetic lineage, so the blood
vessel ones, I think is always areally good thing.
That's also kind of anoperating system upgrade,
because if you improve bloodflow, you improve everywhere,
right?
Phil (29:02):
That's right.
No, these are all good things,stephen.
I mean, you know, if you're thekind of guy who's really deeply
into this, the number one do itis go and have tests and find
out.
Right, that's obvious, right,you can.
But, of course, where do youstart and where do you end,
right?
I mean, who's the guy that'sspeaking at Rad this year, who
spent millions and millions ofdollars on himself?
Stephen (29:20):
I remember saying that oh yeah, Brian Johnson.
Phil (29:22):
Thank you, thank you, you know not many people in that
position, right, becauseeverything in life comes down to
cost and convenience, right?
Stephen (29:31):
Yeah.
Phil (29:31):
I'm sure we'd all like to drive a Ferrari, but it's not.
You know, cost and conveniencecomes down to anyway.
Stephen (29:37):
Yeah, I met him, by the way, he's a nice guy.
He's a really nice guy.
I'll probably have him on thepodcast at some point, but he's
fascinating.
I met him in person and justreally, really interesting.
And you know, I like what he'sdoing.
You know, I mean I don't agreewith every single thing when I
look at his framework.
I've gone through it, but itdoesn't matter if I agree with
everything.
No one is ever going to agreewith everything you know period.
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No one's going to agree withwhat I do, no one's going to
agree with whatever.
So you know, just a troublewith medicine.
Phil (30:05):
Medicine has created an atmosphere of if this, do that,
if that, do this.
Our high cholesterol statin,our depression, prozac?
Life's not like that.
And the thing about anti-agingmedicine is we are highly
individualized, and thus theapproach to anti-aging has to be
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too, and the thing that worksfor me may do nothing for you,
steven, and vice versa.
Right, so, and of course thatmakes it more complicated, it
does create some issues, but inthe long run, you know, people
have often said oh it's, youknow, it's a bit costly to do
all these things, and blah, blah, blah.
And I?
My answer to that is well, ifyou think health is expensive,
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try disease.
Yeah, because you know, ifsomebody gets a diagnosis of
cancer, suddenly they'reremortgaging the house and doing
everything they can.
Right.
Yeah, that's not what you wantto be, obviously, yeah.
So we need a new approach.
You know you've probably heardthis before the ancient Chinese
doctors used to get paid whenpeople were healthy, whereas as
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soon as they got a problem, theystopped paying the doctor.
So it was in their interest toget them healthy again.
Stephen (31:13):
Yeah, so interesting approach.
Yeah, that's, that's so.
It's hilarious, you know, andthat's actually how it should be
.
Oh, funny, interesting.
Phil (31:24):
So you know, coming back to your, you know you mentioned
about eating from top to tail.
Yes, absolutely, and ourancestors not that long ago,
probably not even 100 years ago,wouldn't waste anything.
And if you look in England, ifwe look at old menus from the
Victorian and Edwardian times,there were recipes for cooking
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testicles and the you know, theinnards, the guts, and also, and
you know, people wouldobviously eat the black meat of
a chicken as well as the whitemeat of a chicken and then stew
the bones for soups andeverything was consumed and I
think there was a lot ofprotection in that which we now
we've become so fussy.
Oh, I don't want black chickenmeat.
Oh no, no, no.
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You know we've become so fussyabout and, and, and also think
that these different peptides,which are not only in these
different animal tissues, but indifferent plants as well, also
explains why we, as humans, haveto eat a plethora of different
foods.
Yeah, it's not as if we canjust eat Brussels sprouts.
Stephen (32:23):
You know we need to eat other things, exactly, yeah, I
so like.
This is great, by the way, interms of like a protocol and the
degree of intensity for aprotocol, like if someone is
like for me, like I have to wearthese damn glasses at the
lowest prescription, but itbothers me that I have to wear
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anything.
And so like for me, like I havethe visor mitt and eye drops,
but I don't think by the timethey get all the way to the US
of a and they haven't beenrefrigerated, they lose their
potency because they're not notgetting the same punch I did in
Moscow.
Phil (33:00):
So some customs are radiating things by bringing
back coming off the you know thecontainer.
Sometimes they get x-rayed.
That could be appropriate.
Stephen (33:11):
I didn't know that.
So, no, it's a good point.
So, like for me, in order tomaybe improve my eyesight and I
imagine blood flow to theeyesight.
We already talked about thefact that you know, with the
cardiovascular history in my, inmy, you know, disease in my, in
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my family, I would imagine the,the bio regulating peptide for
the blood vessel and then theeyes.
Those two would probably be.
How would you recommendattacking that and what sort of
a dosing protocol?
Phil (33:45):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Definitely the eye peptide,which is actually retina, the
retina peptide, okay, and alsodefinitely the blood vessel
peptide.
Now, I did an interview withKarenson a few years ago and I
asked him which combinations ofpeptides are synergistic and we
came up with various issues,problems and three peptides.
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Okay, the one that was in everysingle category was blood
vessel.
Yeah, and when you think aboutit, it's obvious, because if
you're improving blood flow,you're delivering more nutrition
, you're removing more toxins,exactly so, definitely the blood
flow.
And, as you said, there's somecardiovascular.
There is a heart peptide, bythe way, okay, but I think the
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retina and the and the bloodvessel for eyesight issues.
There is another product I canmention which isn't the peptide
by, or two other products Icould mention which isn't the
peptide by.
We'll come back to that in asec.
The other one that has a lot ofmagic is the pineal peptide.
Yeah, and we could go off for awhole session on the pineal
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gland by itself, right in thecenter of the brain.
But, I think most people know.
It produces melatonin amongstother things, and melatonin, of
course, is the core to gettingall our hormones on.
If the melatonin is gets intoour blood during darkness and
it's not there during light, soin other words, it's telling the
rest of our endocrine systemwhen it's daytime, when it's
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night, so you get a nicecircadian rhythm.
And we all know if we fly a loton jets or if we do shift work
how screwed up we can get in apretty short period of time.
So by adjusting the pineal asyou were, you get the circadian
rhythms right.
If you're on a nice circadianrhythm, your hormonal cyclicity
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is right, because hormones arecoming out at different times of
the day.
They're not all coming out allthe time.
Most of them come out firstthing in the morning, like
growth hormone, for example, isa big boost.
It's kind of the impetus to sayget up and get on with the day.
Right, yeah.
But there are other pulse site,smaller pulse site productions
of various hormones, maybe notas much as well.
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So the pineal gland was put tome by a friend of mine and a
great melatonin expert, anItalian gentleman by the name of
Dr Walter Pierpori, and Waltersaid this to me many years ago
and it stuck in my mind.
He said think of the pinealgland as the conductor of the
endocrine orchestra.
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He said if we didn't have aconductor, what would the
orchestra do?
It would make noise, but whenyou have a conductor, it makes
music.
So the pineal peptide is havinga direct action upon the pineal
.
I will also go out on a limbhere and say that we believe it
is also possibly the principalagent in elongating telomeres.
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Yeah, okay, so you're gettingthis double whammy.
You're getting these doublewhammy.
So how will it help your eyes?
Well, if for any reason, yourcircadian rhythms are out of
sync, ergo your hormonalpsychocity is, and that would
also mean a lessening of immunesystem.
You know it can get thatadjusted.
So those, I think, would be thethree core elements.
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Quickly, because I said therewere two other things I wanted
to mention.
Yeah, please.
Is a peptide, it's a dipeptide,it's called carnazine Carnazine
I knew you were going to saythat Grand is can see, and
although it depends on what theproblem is in your eye, there
are scientific studies showingit reverses cataract Eye drops.
Guess what Russian, but theycome out of the Helmholtz
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Scientist and Moscow, who gavethe world cataract surgery, so
anyway, so that's something youmight want to look at.
And another personal favor ofmine is a herbal extract called
vimposatin, or vimposatin if youprefer to call it.
That comes from the periwinkleplant and it is a brilliant
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vasodilator and it's been provento be of great benefit in some
of the smallest arteries andcapillaries which are found in
the eyes and the ears.
Nice, so, and it's also prettygood Neutropic as well.
So if you want to sort ofimprove memory, so that is one
of my personal favoritesupplements.
Stephen (38:03):
Yeah, the Vimpotato.
Vimpotato, what is it?
Vimposatin?
Phil (38:09):
or Vimposatin.
Stephen (38:10):
Yeah, that one is I've seen it around a million times
for years on like a kind of a asa satellite neutropic thing.
I didn't realize it has a vialof vasodilating properties that
I will definitely look into.
The can see eye drops.
I've used those with thevisometin you know eye drops for
years and I've had success withthat.
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Those things can burn thosecarnesine drops right.
Phil (38:36):
Depends where you get them from.
Okay, that would be a wholeanother thing to go down.
Look at the pH.
If the pH is around 6.5, thenyou have about a one in five
chances.
If the pH is over 6.7, you haveabout one in a thousand chance.
Can see is actually 6.7 to 6.9.
Interesting, just as we're intoeyesight, I should tell you the
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story of Professor SvetlanaTrophimova, who runs the Tree of
Life Clinic in St Petersburgand she is an eye expert, and of
all the peptide stories, if Ican call it that, it is possibly
the strongest one.
Now you've got the public bookthere in front of you there,
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stephen, the peptidebioregulated revolution.
There is another book writtenby the same doctor called the
Eye Sight Saviors, and there's achapter on each thing, but
there's one chapter on thisparticular peptide.
So what she does in her clinicis she uses the retina peptide
firstly as an injectable andit's injected into the orbit of
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the eye.
So that's the sunken bit.
If you think of a skull, that'sthe sunken bit, but it is not
injected into the eye.
What they do is they do likepinprick, like subcutaneously
into the skin around the eye,like that, and they would do
that every day for 10 days andthen they will send the patient
home with the boxes of thepeptides so pretty much the
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three I just told you and theywould ask them to take two
capsules every day.
Now I'll get into dosing at theend, because not everybody
needs to do that.
But what you see in those bookswhich come from her
publications are the before andafter computerized topological
scans of their retina, andeverybody can work it out
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because it's very simple theblack areas is no eyesight, the
red areas is very poor eyesight,the yellow areas is OK eyesight
, the green areas is 2020.
And you will see, that was oneextreme case of a lady, quite an
elderly lady, who was 90, 90percent blind in her one eye.
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Now most people would tell you,when you're that far gone on
anything, the chances of makingany substantive improvements are
very, very low.
After a year or so they tookher back to 30 percent blind in
that eye.
Now that may not sound like acure, if that's the word we can
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dare to use, but it's made sucha difference in her life.
It now means that she can seethe grandchildren, she can see
movement, she can see where thefurniture is around the accident
, etc.
But with other patients who areperhaps 10, 15, 20 percent
blind in the eye they're not soand also anybody out there who's
an eye doctor.
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There's one particular eyeproblem.
It's called retinitispigmentosa.
It's almost invariably genetic.
There is no clinic in the worldthat we have known or heard of
who can do anything about it,except the Tree of Life Clinic.
Stephen (41:54):
Wow, yeah, I have seen that book on your on the website
and I've almost bought it likeso many times and now you've
just convinced me.
I'm just going to load up onthese things.
But just phenomenal, theimplications of the simple like
yeah, people aren't going to belike going home and injecting.
(42:16):
You know, I'm actually gottenso damn good with needles I
could, I'm comfortable doingthings that were unthinkable,
you know, years ago for myself.
But the fact that you couldtake some, some, some pills and
potentially regenerate some ofthis stuff and put some eye
drops in your eyes is, I mean,look at, that's, that's fountain
(42:37):
of youth type stuff.
I mean that that's that kind of.
That's the whole.
You know, that's the game.
That's what we're trying to do.
We're trying to outsmart the.
You know we're not trying tooutsmart.
Phil (42:48):
Bill Lawrence is kind of on a crusade because he meets a
lot of American doctors and ofcourse a lot of them are not
going to mention their names.
They're good people, but youknow they're very proficient in
what I call the Americanpeptides, you know BCP 157 or
those sorts of things, and heknows that they want everything
injected because of efficacy,partly because it means you have
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to go into the doctor's office.
Yeah, exactly, it shouldn't beso facetious.
Good reason to see healthprofessionals.
Folks go and see them and soyou know.
But as Bill's been saying, youdon't need to with the peptide
bioregors because they worktaken orally and here's the
proof.
So that's what he's.
(43:30):
His next thing, now that he'sworking on a paper, is to show
organ regeneration.
So, and as I say, we hope inEngland next year he's going to
come over and lecture on thatyeah, fantastic yeah, because it
makes me.
There's a lot here.
There's a lot here.
Stephen (43:46):
Yeah, there really is, and it's exciting.
I mean, let me ask you this theinjectable epitaeon is
basically the pineal glandbioregulator, right, and since
that pineal peptide usedprimarily by injection.
Phil (44:03):
however, there is a subling wool version of it, so
spray.
Stephen (44:08):
Okay, yeah, I've been using the epitaeon with the
thymoline combo for I'll do oncea year or twice a year,
depending on like the dosageinjected.
I've been doing that for acouple of years and it does
reset your circadian rhythm andif you think about it like
that's your master clock,everything, that's what kind of
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brings all allows every organsystem to reconnect and say
we're all in the same time framehere.
Right, we're all in the sametime frame.
And sleep improves skin quality.
There's, you just feel, senseof well being.
It's an amazing protocol.
Phil (44:45):
Immunity yes, stronger immunity.
And again, with the thymoline,which folks out there don't know
.
We're talking about thymus,thymus peptide and very, very
recent studies fairly recentstudies anyway showing that it
will improve diabetic leg ulcersand similar, oh really.
So if you're up there withdiabetic ulcers, take a look at
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thymoline.
Stephen (45:06):
Wow.
So if someone really wanted todive into all of this stuff,
where can they go?
Where do you recommend they goto like learn this stuff?
I mean, you obviously showedsome books and do you have
articles on your website.
Is there something they couldyou know?
Phil (45:21):
Yeah, thanks, tim.
Well, anyone can go toantiaging-systemscom.
Listen, we got thousands ofstuff on there.
We were talking earlier.
We've been building that forever, since 1996.
We've got lots of, but we'vegot a pretty good index.
So if you go in or you type inpeptide, bioreglet, it will show
you the list and stuff likethat and you will see us
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articles with references.
There will be some podcasts,there will be some videos on
there as well, which are onYouTube, of course.
And but if you want a sort oflighter approach, have a look at
our magazine which is calledaging-matterscom, and not every
single magazine goes intopeptides, but there are several
magazines where we'veinterviewed Cavinson, we've
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interviewed Bill, we, you know,work with other people who are
using them, so there's quite abit there.
Or if you're on the oppositeend of the scale and you want to
go into a deep dive, then Ihave to recommend you go to
cavernsoninfo, which isProfessor Cavinson's site, where
you know the medicalpublications are listed.
Stephen (46:24):
Fantastic.
I will definitely put links toeverything you just mentioned in
there.
And I've read a ton of yourarticles over the last 10 years
and and like I told you beforewe were talking, it's been
almost like this like this, likedirty little, like private area
, like underground medicine thatno one knew about for so long
and I'm like how can no oneknows about this?
(46:44):
I'm like this stuff is gold.
Phil (46:46):
You know, I can sometimes say to my team I think we should
be on the dark web.
Actually.
Stephen (46:53):
But I mean the stuff is so well written, the
information and everythingthat's on those you know, like
in that suite of sites that youguys kind of all work together
the international anti agingsystems and profound health and
all that like the.
There's some amazing productson there as well.
Phil (47:11):
We've tried very hard.
You know I've been doing it forover 30 years.
Right from the inception wewere interested in preventative
and regenerative medicine andwe've tried very hard to work
with very serious people.
You know you'll see the nameson our websites.
You'll even have testimonialsand well known doctors saying I
(47:31):
like working with IS, which isvery nice where it makes me very
humble.
You know, people that I startedout as heroes have become
friends.
So I feel very, very honored inthat position.
But everything is referenced.
We tell you who said it, wetell you where it came from.
We give you the PubMed where itis available.
We're not making anything upand even though there are
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several stories on our website,this being one of them, where a
lot of people say I find thatvery hard to believe, especially
when they hear that theinformation is decades old, not
five minutes ago.
But then one of my little jokesis because there are a million
medical publications every year.
There are 50 million online,and I'm just talking about
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medical publications, notgeneral health and fitness.
Okay, who's reading all that?
So my little joke is whenpeople say oh, I can't believe
it or it sounds too good to betrue, and I say it's published
and they go it can't be.
I say, well, you know, if youwant to keep something a secret,
publish it.
Stephen (48:33):
Yeah, I mean, I just am so baffled that this stuff is
still relegated to some sort oflike yeah, it's, you know, not
real medicine type thing, andit's like I get it because it
kind of flies in the face oftraditional medicine.
It's like it's like the bodyusing its own innate
intelligence to fix its own selfin a way that's built upon
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nature, you know.
Phil (48:57):
I think you know what the problem is, stephen, but for
folks out there who may not,medicine has been arranged I'm
going to be very outspoken intoa kind of cartel.
If you go back to howallopathic medicine started with
John D Rockefeller back in the20s and 30s fantastic book to
read by one of my heroes, edwardG Griffin, called World Without
(49:18):
Cancer, we'll explain that howit came about.
And you know and since thendoctors have been trained in
this closed school about it'sbasically how to sell their
products.
And if you come along with aproduct as the great Dr Belinsky
in America one of the very,very, very few people who has
ever got a drug approved by theFDA, who isn't a big
(49:41):
pharmaceutical company you findout that you need so much money
and resources I mean, it's overa billion dollars now and not
many people have that kind ofmoney to invest.
And the other problem is andthis is the thing that comes up
if you go to a bigpharmaceutical company, let's
say you've got the cure forcancer right, and you go along
(50:02):
and say look at this.
And they'll go wow, that'sfantastic.
But the first question will becan we patent it?
And if it's a natural molecule,it's very, very difficult to
get a controlling patent, andyou're not going to spend a
billion dollars to get thatapproved and it could still take
10, even more years to them.
Find that everybody can sell itbecause you didn't get a patent
(50:26):
, yeah, and so lots of thingsget written off, especially
natural molecules, and so theynever get in front of the
doctors who are working inorthodox medicine, as I like to
call it.
Stephen (50:36):
Yeah, now it's a great point.
I mean, basically medicine ispolitics.
I mean that's what it's become.
Phil (50:43):
It is.
In fact I go even further Now.
I'm getting to a certain age,I'm getting a bit bolder, I
suppose, and I say the troublewith medicine is it's sick.
Stephen (50:54):
Yeah, I like that.
I've got a lot of good nuggetsI'm probably going to be using
from you for the rest of theyear.
But you know, I mean like myrecommendation, I'm just going
to throw something out there,like if you're listening to this
podcast and take the lowesthanging fruit that you've got,
pick something.
Let's say you can't even thinkof anything.
Take a pineal gland, take athymus bioregulator and add the
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blood flow, the blood vessels.
Yeah, take those three and do aprotocol and maybe you could
tell us like the best protocoland start with that and see if
you do not have a circadianrhythm reset, if you do not feel
better in some regard, and ifyou do, just build off that
(51:38):
protocol Now start attacking orgoing after some things, maybe
where you have weaknesses thatyou feel like you can regenerate
right.
Phil (51:46):
No, you're right, Steve.
If you know your weaknesses, ifyou know that you have weak
adrenal glands, as an example,or a poor thyroid, then bang,
you've got a target to go forright.
If you don't, and you're notdoing testing that shows
anything, the only other way todo it is look at your family
history.
What a mum and dad suffer, withgrandparents, whatever, or
brother and sister's even.
(52:07):
You know.
Of course, a lot of familieshave a specific problem, not all
families, of course, but youcan look at a family and say
they get a lot of cancer, theyget a lot of heart disease, they
get a lot of diabetes.
There's a general rule thattends to happen, so that's
another way of coming at it.
The three you've just saidpineal thymus, blood vessel very
(52:27):
good choice and one of the andthat's the three.
I go on regularly.
Oh nice, and I'll tell youabout those in just a second.
And why do I say that?
Because some of the actualclinical trials, the big human
clinical trials that were donein the Soviet Union, are so
massive and so unbelievable thatmost pharmaceutical companies
would fall over.
The biggest one they ever didwas with the workers in Gazprom,
(52:52):
which is Russia's oil and gasindustry and this is in Siberia.
It's pretty tough environment,right, even living in.
It's not an office worker inNew York, okay.
So that's pretty tough and waitfor it.
They studied just over 11,000people and they've monitored
(53:12):
them over although I have toadmit the numbers went down with
the years, but I'll get intothat Over 12 years.
And they put 3000 of those11,000 people on multivitamins
as a placebo, so people didn'tknow if they were getting the
peptides or the vitamins.
So about 8000 people on thepeptides, about 3000 people on
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the vitamins.
These people started at the ageof sort of like 40 to 60.
Of course, some of these folkshad been well retired when they
were following up with them 12years later, and I want to point
out that in that part of Russiathe average longevity of people
is not as good.
Okay, it's not what it is inthe West.
(53:53):
Okay, so long story short.
What happened?
What happened was that at theend of the study period, the
people in the peptide group hadone third of the morbidity of
those in the vitamin group.
In other words, they sufferedfrom two thirds less Wow Disease
.
And that's a big number.
(54:14):
That's huge.
But beyond that, believe it ornot I mean keep coming back to
this number of 30% and I'll getinto that if you want me to it
seems to be a biological cellreserve, okay.
They also, the people in thepeptide group, had one third of
the mortality.
In other words, they were twothirds less likely to die.
(54:36):
Okay, so that's a big number,isn't it?
And the three that stood out onregular use were the three
you've already mentioned pinealthymus, blood vessel, that's not
to say, in other trials theydidn't use other peptides and
other groups of people theydidn't use it.
There was another study intractor workers in a city called
Kazan, which is central Russia.
(54:59):
There was 3,000 people in thatstudy Again, big number, I think
over six years, if I rememberrightly.
Very similar results.
And then there was anotherfactory in what we now call the
Ukraine, and I think that was athousand people studied over
five years and it was a carfactory.
Very similar results.
So they have done this andthey've done it in a big way.
Stephen (55:22):
So the studies are out there.
They're done.
Phil (55:25):
Studies are out there.
Studies are out there and, ofcourse, they did it in animals
prior to that and they did it invitro prior to that.
So, yeah, they did all thehomework, they did it properly,
and so what else can we say?
I could tell you the Olympicstory I mean as yourself, as an
Olympian, please, you might likethis one.
(55:45):
So, in specifically, of course,these substances are not on any
bandless, you know, verythey're not actually want to ban
eating meat and plants.
It's going to be quite tricky,isn't it?
But basically, it was the whenwas the London Olympics 2012.
2012.
Thank you, 2012 it was.
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So this is, or was, the Russianwomen's Olympic team who won
gold at the 2012 London Olympics, and I've got a great picture
of the girls standing there withtheir coach and and Cavinson,
actually compressor Campton inthe middle, and the various
coaches.
So what can we say about thesegirls?
(56:27):
Well, top of their game.
If you win a gold at theOlympics, aren't you at the top
of your game?
Yeah, you must be, mustn't you?
Yeah, and so, and there's, ofcourse, no arguing about their
fitness.
You know they're 20 year oldswho can, you know, do what
gymnasts do?
So I mean just incredible.
But when they came back toRussia with their gold medals,
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the Institute decided to runsome blood work on, and they
were actually shocked that theirtelomeres were equivalent to a
40 year old Wow, not a 20 yearold gold winner, wow.
And the theory is that, whilstI think everything in life is on
a, is on a curve, and thatcurve is either you shape or
bell shape.
(57:09):
What am I talking about?
Too much or too little ofanything, whether it's drinking
water or whatever it is, or evenexercise, can be damaging.
You want to be in the middle.
The middle might be there, orthe middle might be there, but
the middle.
So, the theory is that theirintensive exercise regime in
leading up to the Olympics wastoo much.
Here's the good news they putthem on a number of peptides and
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they found that within two tothree weeks it may have been
four weeks their telomeresnormalized, wow.
And they did the same thingwith their cosmonauts.
You send the cosmonauts off forlong periods in space, and I
know they exercise in space now,but nonetheless, if they're up
there every year and they comeback to the planet, they're a
bit of a mess, yeah, and they'reweak Despite the Sure.
(57:53):
Yeah.
What they find is they put themon the peptides, they induce
protein synthesis and they cannormalize them within one to
three months, absolutely.
So something very fundamentalgoing on, yeah, and the person
tells me that the Chinese aredoing it as well.
I've got no evidence of that,but they're open about this.
There's a paper on it aboutthese Russian girls, and so you
(58:15):
can go and read it for yourself,and so, yeah, so there's a lot
of avenues you can go down withthis, obviously.
Stephen (58:23):
Yeah, I mean I look at somebody who trained as hard as
a human being.
I literally trained so hard onetime that my body wouldn't let
me actually get on the equipment.
I wouldn't send the signal likeit basically said I'm done.
And I mean, when you talk aboutperformance and world-class
caliber performance, that is notgood for health, like I'm sure
(58:46):
my telomere is shortened so muchfrom gymnastics, but that's why
I'm into this stuff now.
Phil (58:52):
So that yeah.
The good news is you canresurrect it.
Yeah, it's not a one-way street.
You can do something about it.
You're saying that you got thiskind of shock before you got on
the equipment.
I get that before I get in thecar to go to the gym.
Stephen (59:08):
That's great.
I love that.
Yeah, I'm glad that I'm in goodcompany here.
I'm not the only one that was.
Phil (59:16):
Go have a laugh.
Stephen (59:16):
Yeah, life's got to be fun, have a laugh.
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Well, I didn't realize therewas so much published.
I had no idea.
To be honest with you, and Ifeel a little irresponsible in
that regard.
I'm one of the persons whoclearly have just read enough
books and articles on this stuffand have used it enough to be
like I know it's workingUnequivocally.
(59:39):
I know 100%.
I can feel it.
But when you're trying toconvince people, especially I'm
sorry to interrupt you.
Phil (59:49):
I'll tell you my story.
When I first met Camerson in2009, 2010, I had that light
bulb moment.
I came back and I toldeverybody.
I said this is incredible.
I got to look into this.
This is amazing.
But I was still skeptical.
First time you ever hearanything and you go, I don't
know.
It sounds good, but I don'tknow.
And then, over about a course ofa year, I read more, I looked
in, I started talking to peopleI knew and I met him again funny
(01:00:12):
enough, in Brussels, and onthat occasion I was able to have
a one-to-one chat with him andwe sat down with a drink and had
a good chat and it was sinkinginto the grey matter.
About two years in I thought,okay, let's get hold of some of
this stuff and let's startfinding out.
And initially I sent thesamples, as it were, out to
doctors.
I worked with quite a lot andpeople I know very well, and I
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still was skeptical.
I was still sitting on thefence saying I don't think I'm
going to hear anything.
But I was literally expectingto hear.
Eh, used it for three months,nothing, because I thought
everything came back was sopositive.
I was flabbergasted, to behonest, and it has been quite
something.
I mean, I'm not going to lie toyou.
(01:00:57):
There are certain peptides thatseem to have a more profound,
faster action than others.
One of them, for example, isthe adrenals.
Of course it depends if youhave a problem or not, but I
think there's again a lot ofpeople out there, older people,
who are having adrenal fatigue.
They get to, I don't know,three o'clock in the afternoon
and they want to go and lie down, don't they?
(01:01:18):
Yeah, that's a quick fix.
The thymus sorry, the thyroidis another one that people get
fast results on Because suddenlyyou're sleeping better, energy
is better, aperture regulationis better, by the way.
Nice, easy way.
I like to actually look at whatdoctors did before there were
blood tests.
That was a time when theyactually spoke to patients and
(01:01:40):
asked them questions.
Because we've gone I'm notsaying that blood tests are
irrelevant not by any means, ofcourse but there's a lot that
can be gleaned from talking tothe patients, asking questions,
looking at them, physicallylooking at them, and I think
that's a good book on this bythe great endocrinologist
Thierry Hurthog of Belgium.
It's called the Atlas ofEndocrinology.
(01:02:01):
It's a pictorial book of whatyou look like if you're too high
or too low in a specifichormone.
Oh, awesome, real people.
Amazing little reference guidedays and that's how and because.
The thing about Thierry is hisfather was an endocrinologist,
his grandfather was a.
He's a legend.
He's amazing that comes fromabout four or five generations
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of endocrinologists, so they'vegot pictures going back to the
early 1900s of people.
It's just incredible.
So, with that in mind, with thethyroid, the old fashioned way
of apart from, do you have coldhands and feet and are you
sluggish and all those questionsis take your temperature first
thing in the morning.
Now I'm going to speak Celsius,so if you need Fahrenheit, get
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your calculator out.
But first thing you do get outof bed in the morning and write
where's the thermometer, stickit in the ear, stick it on the
forehead, as you can now, andwrite that number down, okay,
and do that for about two weeks.
And then look at that list andask yourself where are you Now?
A good, healthy thyroid gland?
You should be Celsius between36.3 and 36.7.
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If you're in that banding, welldone, healthy thyroid.
But if you are regularly below36.3, and I've even heard of
people being down to 34.7, whichis really low, but even if
you're into 35s or somethinglike that, you definitely have a
weak thyroid, okay.
And conversely, if you areregularly over 36.7, you could
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well be hyperthyroid.
And so whatever it is you do inyour life, whether it's
consuming iodine, taking thyroidhormones, using the thyroid
peptide, whatever it is you'regoing to do, keep monitoring
yourself and watch your numberschange.
Obviously, I'm talking hereabout hypothyroidism.
It's that accurate.
(01:03:53):
You can literally monitoryourself by 0.1 degrees Celsius.
Stephen (01:03:59):
I really like that approach of I mean, look, I use
blood tests, I test my own bloodfor certain things.
I've learned how to do it fordoing it for so long.
But there is a way that there'ssome effort.
You can look at certain peopleand you can say, oh, they look
like they're this, or they looklike they're low in thyroid or
people with low thyroid.
Typically hair starts fallingout, they're cold hands.
Phil (01:04:22):
But I think that book is probably a good resource to dig
into and to kind of by the way,some people say the Mona Lisa
was hyperthyroid and you cantell that by looking at her
there you go.
Stephen (01:04:35):
Oh, because of the bug eyes.
The bug eyes, isn't it yeah?
Phil (01:04:39):
Also that picture is so alluring to people.
You can tell what is it abouther, and a lot of hyperthyroid
people have that.
Some of them have the deer inthe headlights.
Look, yeah, but it's a bit moreextreme.
Yeah, well, that's.
They have the energy.
You can sense this energy.
You can see this energy.
Stephen (01:04:55):
Yeah Well, man, this has just been very fruitful.
And again, for everyonelistening, I will put links to
everything in the show notes.
Also, we'll have a.
We will have a discount forbioregulating peptides for you.
It'll be check out theresources.
We're setting all that stuff upright now, but again it's at
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stevenmcaincom BIO-slash,backslash bioregulators, Gosh,
Stevenmcaincom Backslashbioregulators and Phil man, I
feel like I could just talk toyou all day about this stuff.
I mean, what a pleasure.
We chatted for an hour, I thinkbefore we even started this.
Phil (01:05:38):
Yeah, we did.
I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it.
I like I've reached a point inmy life where, if people are not
interested in what I have tosay, I ain't going to waste any
time, because I can move on andI don't want to stress myself
out as well.
I'm not here to convince peopleof anything, but when I've got
somebody like yourself whoreally is interested and we can
share stuff, then I really enjoyit.
Stephen (01:05:59):
Yeah, I mean, you're my kind of guy I really enjoy.
I'm so glad we met and by allmeans, do not be a stranger,
like, if you think of anythingor you just like, oh, I think
Steve would like this, you feelfree to reach out and thank you
for introducing to my audiencethese bioregulators, these magic
(01:06:23):
, simple organic compounds thatcan bring the body back into
homeostasis.
I mean, what an incredible.
There is no risk to trying thisstuff as far as I'm concerned.
No, right.
Phil (01:06:38):
I've got several what I call wow stories and we can get
into some of the others or someother future point if you ever
want to hear them, but none ofthem are as broad in their
possibilities as this one.
Other ones are quite specificfor this problem or that problem
, but these have enormousimplications.
Stephen (01:06:59):
Were you going to tell one?
Well, that is well.
What are the other wow stories?
What are one?
Phil (01:07:02):
of the other wows.
Well, the magic hand creamwhich can remove cataracts with
an eye drop.
I think that's a pretty wowstory.
Stephen (01:07:14):
Yeah.
Phil (01:07:15):
There's a skin cream that comes from the island of Vanuatu
, believe it or not, which isnear New Zealand and people.
This is almost a sort of thingthat gets you de-platformed by
saying this and you can cut itout afterwards, but it has been
shown in 80,000 patient cases tobe 100% successful in removing
skin cancer and they know why,and it's been published for over
(01:07:38):
30 years, mainly inAustralasian publications.
Interesting, so that's.
Maybe you want another sessionon that some other time.
Yeah, is all this stuff on thearticles and it's been in our
magazine as well, and I amdelighted to say that Bill
Edward Cham, the man whodiscovered this and spent 20
(01:07:58):
years of his life working on it,who lives is a biochemist, who
lives in Vanuatu is coming toEngland next year to tell us all
about it.
So I've never met him in person, so I'm really looking forward
to that.
Stephen (01:08:10):
Fantastic.
Well, phil, I will.
I'm definitely going to getback on some of your
bioregulators and I'm going tolook at some of these books.
I highly recommend check outthe resources for this podcast
and, phil, I love it.
I thank you so much forbringing this killer knowledge
(01:08:32):
and this is the kind of stuffthat can change people's lives.
Someone's listening to this andthey try it and all of a sudden
it's like you change the courseof someone's life.
So I respect that and I lookforward to seeing you when you
come to Vegas potentially A4M,yeah.
Phil (01:08:47):
Absolutely.
You'll have to buy me a mojito,though okay, I'll buy you a
mojito?
Stephen (01:08:56):
Yeah, that'd be great Fantastic.
Phil (01:08:59):
Great stuff.
Stephen (01:08:59):
Yeah, thanks again, phil, and for everyone that's
tuned in, thank you forlistening to this episode.
By the way, I'm coming out ofthe closet here and I had the
most famous virus.
Again.
Right now I'm dealing with it.
I think I dealt with it prettywell.
I'm still recovering, but Ididn't want to miss this podcast
, so check out the show.
(01:09:21):
Note resources.
Phil (01:09:24):
Stay on.
After you stop, because I'dlike to tell you something.
Stephen (01:09:28):
Okay, definitely, and thanks everyone for tuning in
and we'll see you on the nextepisode of the Stephen McCain
podcast.
Stay healthy everyone.
Thanks guys.
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