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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Stephen
McCain podcast, where I bringyou people making world-class
decisions in the field of humanoptimization, performance and
longevity.
You are in for a Serious treatwith this podcast.
I have Alex Kekal on today.
He calls himself the prep coach.
He works with a lot ofprofessional athletes and

(00:22):
performers and he is a wizardwith all things biohacking.
I mean, his mantra is that hebelieves you can biohack
anything and he has the goods toback it up.
He really really knows so muchmore than most people that talk

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about a lot of these things thatwe all do in this space.
So you know, we cover a lot ofground on this, from peptides to
hormones to exosomes, mindset,sexual wellness a lot of topics
and he really offers insightsthat very few people really have

(01:05):
that degree of knowledge, andso I think you're going to love
this one.
I love doing this.
I wish this podcast could havebeen three hours and I think
you're going to like it, solet's do this.
Alex, welcome to the StephenMcCain podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Thank you so much for having me man.
I really do appreciate that.
It was an honor to meet you inperson at FOH Live.
We had some good conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Cool to kind of follow up from that, oh man, I'm
so excited about this.
You're one of those people thatI might come across once every
five years Maybe.
I attend a lot of conferencesand I was like, oh man, here we
go, this guy, because you know,this is what I've said about you
you are incredibly versed inbiochemistry and yet you are

(01:51):
incredibly versed in having andthey all up, they operate in
that, that that sort of space.
And then you get these peoplethat are just like, well, I've
just tried everything, I knowthe way the body works and it
just here's how you do this, butyou're just, you're like the

(02:13):
perfect combination of that andI'm I just can't wait to pick
your brain on this podcast.
Well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I appreciate that.
I think a lot of what I see.
The world is not black andwhite.
It's always gray goes foreverything like nothing's really
good or bad.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
People aren't good or bad, it's many shades of gray.
Just kind of apply that toeverything.
Yeah, and you gave a speechthat was uh, the premise was you
can biohack anything, and I'vealways had that philosophy that,
like you can't, your body is anadaptive thing and you can
cause it to adapt to in anydirection that you want.
You just got to give it theright material and stimulus.

(02:52):
Right, that's exactly right,it's so.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
The word's plastic right, so that plasticity,
anything can change.
Like what?
20 years ago they thought thebrain, like could never grow or
improve.
It was like, oh, you haveAlzheimer's or dementia or you
have a TBI.
It's like you're done, sorry,your life's over.
And for all those people thedoctor said that to, it's like
could you imagine being thatperson who's told you're done
living your life?
Because you just got punched inthe face and then they didn't

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listen, they went out and didtheir own thing and they
realized, oh, I can change mybrain.
It applies to everything.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, in fact they were actually.
By even saying that the braincan't do that, they were
informing their own brain andbuilding neural pathways to
strengthen that belief system.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh, okay, so I'm going to kick off this podcast
really cool with that.
Okay, okay, you're going tolove this, okay.
So this goes back to how yourthoughts become things, how your
thoughts become reality andreally the whole placebo effect.
So I don't think anyone'sreally ever elucidated the
placebo effect, at least in thismanner.
We saw how through my lens andhow I see things working.

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First of all, it's aconversation between
mitochondria our body's waterand fascia, meaning mitochondria
are not reactive, they'reproactive.
They are anticipatory, meaningbefore you do anything, they're
already reacting.
They know what's going tohappen.
In the same way that water isvery reactive and it's a
communication system.
So water look out in the ocean.

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It gets hit by lightning.
What happens?
It tenses up.
How can it do that before thelightning hits it, unless if it
knew it was going to come?
Or you jump off a tall buildinginto pool and if you're high
enough up, guess what You're notdropping into water.
It's like you're hitting cement.
It tightens up.
You're not just going to gointo the water.
So how would that happen if itwasn't reactive in the same

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manner?
Then we look at the fascialsystem in our body.
So okay, we have something'sabout to happen.
Our fascia and our water arecommunicating with each other
before we even do that action ortake that supplement or eat
that food.
But how does it move throughoutthe body?
Our fascial system thatactually moves faster
communicates with water andmitochondria faster than our
neurons fire in our brain.

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So those things are firing atpeak of seconds.
Like you really can't evenmeasure that these anticipatory
actions are happening faster.
So the whole placebo effect, thewhole your thoughts, become
things.
It's because you're doing that.
If you think you're going totake a supplement, for example,
like you're about to pop a pill,ss31 or whatever and then you
hear something crash downupstairs and you run up to it
and you forgot to take that pill, your body would still respond

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as if you took that pill, eventhough you didn't take it
because in that environment youwere about to it's.
You took that pill even thoughyou didn't take it because in
that environment you were aboutto.
It's not like.
You can't fool yourself.
Keep like oh, I'm going to takeit, not do it.
No, you're not going to take it.
It's that anticipatoryprogramming response.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, anybody that's taken enough stuff or paid
attention with enough awarenessto their physiology for a long
enough period of time, they knowthat that is real.
You, you like there, you couldhave a headache even I know
everyone has probably done it.
You have a headache and youtake like an ibuprofen or
something and just as you'reeven entering it into your mouth
, your headache starts tosubside a little bit right,
exactly.

(05:51):
Yeah, I'm more fascinated bynot just how that works with
these placebo effects, but I'mmore fascinated with how every
thought that you have can makeyour life better or worse.
Really, at the end of the daylike when I was a training to be
a world-class athlete and tryto make an olympic team you
literally had to controleverything that your brain was

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thinking because you couldn'tlet anybody rock you off your
mountaintop, you know, and itwas an art to do that right and
that's to me.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's a learned skill, like I always use myself for
the example just because it'sthe easiest, like I was not
always naturally positive person, I was not naturally healthy, I
was not naturally intelligent,had poor memory, like the
opposite of who I am today, andI made the decision to become
this person.
It literally is an activeprocess every second, every
single day, and that soundslaborious in nature, but it's

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really not.
It's a learned skill over time.
So if you could start slowly,like you said, getting to the
top of that and staying there,not letting anyone or anything
really derail you from that.
Anything comes into your life.
My biggest mantra that I tellmyself and everyone I work with
is everything in life is anopportunity.
So the moment somethingnegative happens in your brain,
find the positive and say it outloud, confirm it to the world
and do not even go down thatother path.

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If you can get good at thatalone, your quality of life, how
good you are at your job, howgood of a partner you are, it
just goes up crazy, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I mean to think that nothing bad is ever going to
happen or that we're justimpervious to negative
situations.
It's all about how you react inyour relationship to it, and
within all difficulty lies anopportunity.
That's one of my I think that'smy favorite quote.
It's Einstein quote and Ialways do that.
Try to do that exact same thing, just to say what can I learn

(07:35):
from this or how can this betterme and how can I just move
forward with knowing somethingthat I didn't know, that can
make me more equipped in thefuture, you know, and fantastic.
Well, I'm glad we kind of got alittle bit of a mindset start
to this.
I did want to ask what is yourformal background in terms of
this education, because youshowed me a couple of books

(07:57):
where we got started.
I mean, obviously you are aself educator, but what is your
formal background in, like this,chemistry and biochemistry and
biology?

Speaker 2 (08:07):
So actually, nothing in that world.
I got my master's inperformance enhancement, injury
prevention, whatever 10 yearsago, decade plus, whatever.
And then I was going to go formy PhD because originally I
wanted to work in a humanperformance research lab and
teach, because I just likededucation at that point.
And at that point my businessblew up just doing online stuff
on the bodybuildingcom forumswhen it was big and I was like

(08:27):
I'm not going to spend moremoney in school for a doctorate,
I'm just going to see if thisthing works.
And again, that was like 13 orwhatever years ago.
So it was just a master's, acouple of scattered certificates
and stuff like that.
But I think what college taughtme the best was how to learn,
so how to find information andhow to interpret that
information.
Everything I know today Ilearned after college.
But I love traditional academiabecause you learn how to learn.

(08:51):
It sets you up for the rightway to continue the rest of your
life.
So I think that was veryinvaluable for me.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, when I went to UCLA I was pre-med and I wasn't
really ready because I didn'tknow how to.
Really I just wanted to be anOlympian.
And then, when I subsequentlywent back and I moved to the
Olympic Training Center, then Iwent to college at University of
Colorado and I switchedeverything to finance degree in
business and at that point itwas when I really learned how to
learn and I graduated at summacum laude and then from there

(09:20):
I've always felt like anacademic at heart and how I've
picked up a lot of this healthstuff.
And what's fascinating is younever can really stop.
And I feel that's why I alwaysfeel kind of bad for doctors in
this realm, because they go toschool for so long and by the
time they finish it seems liketheir education is just
beginning, because it'severything.

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Is it's so hard to keep up witheverything?
I mean I there's every time Ifeel like, well, that's pretty.
Is it's so hard to keep up witheverything?
I mean I there's every time Ifeel like, well, that's pretty
much it.
I think I'm just gonna.
There's not a whole lot elsenew going on, and then all of a
sudden just a wave of all thisnew stuff comes down and I'm
like I gotta wrap my head aroundthis stuff dude.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
So okay, so good example in the peptide space,
we're learning of about 100 to200 new peptides every single
day.
So if you keep up with all thejournals, talk to all the
researchers because I'm goodfriends, or at least I know them
in acquaintances with a lot ofdifferent people all the time
they'll be hey, did you everhear about this?
Hey, this is new.
There's always learning.
So I spend more than half of myweek feeling dumb, which is
kind of the perfect place to beat, because you're always

(10:19):
learning.
You're always receptiveinformation, so interceptive
information.
So as long as you can encodethose memories, you're good to
go.
That's been like for me.
That's the hardest place whereI'm at right now.
Like my food intake has gottenridiculous just because of how
much I'm learning.
Every day.
I'm at like 4 500 calories.
It's like 400 grams of protein,600 grams of carbs, 100 grams
of fat ish and uh and I'm.
I'm going hypo by 4 pm every dayafter I take my pdo walk

(10:41):
outside because it's like afterthe work day and training and
learning so much I'm just goinghypo from that walk because it
just sets me over the edge.
So fueling the memory encodingside of things has been hard for
me.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Wow, yeah, well, let's dig in a little bit,
because you mentioned peptidesand I have been using peptides
for 11 years.
It was pretty underground whenI started and I host the World
Peptide Congress, now a DrSeed's event, for the last two,
three years and I've been ableto speak there.
I used to attend it as just oneof the only non-doctors.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, I would just sit in theback and just listen.

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And then I got to know him andintroduced myself, said thank
you so much for allowingnon-doctors to be here.
He's like, yeah, yeah, ofcourse you know, and and, uh, I
I'm a huge, huge.
I've had a love affair ofpeptides for a very long time
and I haven't really coveredthem that much on this podcast.
It's so weird, I don't know why.
I sort of have, um, you know, Inever really like I never

(11:38):
thought people were gonna injectthemselves with needles, and
now it's like no big deal andbecause I had people that would
come over to my house andthey're like, dude, what, what
are you doing?
You know, like this, what isall this stuff?
You know, and?
But but I mean, look, we have,like the, I think, the basic
core peptides.
You have your PPC and your TB500, which everyone talks about.
But let's run through these alittle bit, because I think you

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might have a differentperspective on it and maybe I do
too, at least on those, thosetwo that are like the considered
the Wolverine healing stack.
But I've always said that theTB 500 also is like a thymus
peptide, so there's an immunesystem aspect to that peptide
that is very beneficial as wellin anti-inflammatory.
And so you have any insidetidbits on some of these core

(12:26):
ones that no one knows about orthat that may be a different way
of looking at them lots.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
So okay, if you ever want to learn about any
supplement peptide whatever, goto it.
Look at the cascades on thebiochemical processes and then
just start googling.
Oh, if there's a pi3k aktcascade, probably drive m tor in
anabolism in some degree.
If it has, you just go throughthat for absolutely every single
aspect.
Tb500, again, because there's20 to 50 things that these

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peptides do.
So I try and make it as easy aspossible.
We break it down to the topfour things.
So there's a primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary
aspects.
So one, two, three and four,right With TB500, the reason why
I love it.
So the first primary reason foreveryone is it's pretty much
the only peptide out therethat'll activate neonatal genes.
So those are the things rightnow in your system that will
turn on and it'll be essentiallyif you are at this point in

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life with zero trauma, oxidativestress, inflammation or damage.
It's the only peptide out therethat does that and this is
research that's been out forover a decade.
At this point, only compoundthat does that.
So, activation of neonatalgenes, tb500.
Wow, is that cool.
Second one, if you startlooking at some of the research
with strokes, okay, this is somereally cool research out there.

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Its ability to actually healand recover from a stroke in the
moment, an hour or two laterwill show up as if you did not
have a stroke, meaning the TBIand the traumatic brain damage
effect you get while you'rehaving a stroke.
If you can make it to yourfridge and pop five to ten
milligrams of tb500, go to thehospital.
Obviously make sure you'redoing your due diligence.
They will basically ask you toleave four hours later because

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the secondary scans will show upas there's no damage.
We've had that happen multipletimes over these.
I think carl, who used to have abig podcast back in the day,
superhuman radio, love that dude.
I think he's like.
I always want to give himcredit for that because he's the
biggest proponent of that andhe actually did himself.
So anyone in that kind of agerange I'm like, hey, just have
tb reconstitute ready to go inyour fridge.
So if it does happen, just gothere.

(14:17):
You're kind of good to go.
Yeah, so that's two, right, uh,if we go down, because there's
tons of different interactions,let's look at one interaction
that most people don't knowabout.
If you look at the ability topotentiate antibiotics, so let's
say you have to take a courseof any of the penicillins or any
of the cephalosporins, whateverantibiotic or over-the-counter
herbal antibiotic, so anythingthat will manage bacteria.

(14:37):
It could be a methylene blue,could be an allicin, could be an
oregano oil, whatever you'retrying to clip a bacterial
problem, tb500 potentiates theiraction.
So if you do have to go on atraditional pharmaceutical from
your doctor and you're worriedabout your gut biome, you could
do half the course, half thedose, and take tb500 to make up
the difference.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
So, like people with sebo can, maybe.
Well, because sebo you actuallyare trying to annihilate a lot
of that, the overgrowth ofbacteria.
But I wonder, could you getaway with, I guess, the thing
with antibiotics?
You don't want to become immuneto using the antibiotic again,
right, resistance.
So I think the herbals are aone way to avoid the resistance.
Right, you know that way, butuh, that's there.

(15:18):
I did not know that.
About tb500, I did not knowthat at all.
But keep going.
This is fantastic.
I don't want to slow you down.
Yeah, no, you're good.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Everyone likes to discern between BPC and TB in
terms of which will heal softtissue, which will heal muscular
tissue, and over the years ofdoing torn pecs, bicep tendon
ruptures, I mean every kind ofinjury you can imagine.
I've seen so much crossover andspillover it's pretty dramatic
between the two.
So TB500, we've seen anapplication be able to heal
muscular tissue, tendinousfibrous-based collagen tissue.

(15:49):
We've seen if you locallyinject it into your erectile
tissue, males and females canstart to re-hypertrophy that
erectile tissue if there wassome kind of trauma from a bad
sexual incident or if you werehit with a baseball bat in the
groin, something like that.
So even that fibrous,connective, tunica-based
architecture of like the penis,for example, or even the
clitoral network, you canlocally apply TB500.

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It's a little bit harder to dothose kind of clitoral-based
injections but if there was aclitoral-based damage event you
can kind of bring that tissueback.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
So I see TB500 and BPC as both being more global
tissue healing players becauseof how many cascades they work
through.
Wow, that's great.
I mean you bring up the penilehealth and all that, and that is
a rabbit hole.
I think we're probably going togo down here, although I don't
want to derail the peptide stuffjust yet.
So I'm going to put a pin inthat one, but it's something
that I think you know a greatdeal about and you've worked
with some.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I was going to say I don't want to interrupt you.
I want to do one more justbecause you're wearing glasses.
Have we talked about TB500 eyedrops?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
You told me at FOH, at the party, or like the little
dinner afterwards.
I told you.
I said I want to do my eyes andyou said 50 micrograms.
You make 50 microgram dropsjust TB500, right so?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
you can do both TB500 and BPC157, and you can also
add in it's a product calledKeyNC and that's a C-leaded
carnosine that was originallyfor macrogeneration in the
canine world but works on humansextremely well.
But to focus on TB500, if youget normal 5 milligram vial, add
one milliliter ofbacteriostatic water.
It'll be basically one drop orone iu.
So you would transfer that toany kind of eye drop, or one

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drop is roughly 50 microgramsper eye.
It'll start to actuallyrehydrate the eye, it'll heal
that corneal lens, it'llpenetrate through that ocular
tissue and start healing everydifferent fibrous.
There's three different tunics,there's multiple different
tunics, multiple differentcascades.
Obviously it's healing everyaspect of eye health.
So it's really like right done.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Okay, I, I actually, um, I, I always have tb500,
bpc157, ghkcu, growth hormone,peptide, uh, thymus and alpha
one, always like I, always,always, always.
So I re-upped my bpc157 andtb500 specifically to do this
protocol, the i1 nice becauseit's the only thing I've noticed
, like I.
Nice Because it's the onlything I've noticed, like I'm 51

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now and it's the one thing thatand it's not farsight, farsight
is perfect.
I'm like a hawk, but up close Ijust I'm really sensitive to
blue light and I think it's allthese damn screens, but I'm
gonna.
I have the can see eye drops.
I've used the methylene blueeye drops.
I have the bison mitten eyedrops that come from Russia.

(18:28):
I've actually purchased thosein Russia.
I mean, if you can get them inI got them in Moscow Uh, if you
can get them cold there withoutthem being shipped here, they
work amazing.
I don't feel like they work aswell here after they come
through customs or whatever.
And then I do have exosomesthat I thought about doing a

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round of drops of exosomes.
I mean, I think exosomes andpeptides play very, very well
together.
I've been tinkering with thoseprotocols for two years now, but
I'll take it one step at a time, but I'm going to do your eye
drops for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
So you're a thousand percent right on the exosomes
they will potentiate the actionof any peptide you introduce it
to.
So the whole new wave should behopefully it catches on sooner
rather than later should bereconstituting your peptides in
exosome-based water.
It's slowly starting to go inthat direction, but that
potentiation effect is prettyhigh.
Usually it's just more thesourcing of the exosomes that
makes it harder.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, exactly, I've been in the exome business.
I mean, look, I'm wearing clubexosome, you know, for most
people.
Yeah, Sandra Kaufman and I'vebeen doing this.
She introduced me to them and Ihaven't stopped since.
Every quarter I do them,sometimes more, but I've been
trying them with variouspeptides and GHKCU.
I don't know what it's kind oflike that thing we alluded to

(19:44):
when we first started talking,like your brain kind of like
knows something.
You know, I don't know exactly.
I know it could be the stemcell recruitment or something,
but I love taking GHKCU when Ido exosomes.
Do you have anything with thatpeptide in particular?
That might be why this ishappening, oh God.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, so I've used, I've been able to wean off
people off of antidepressantsand SSRIs and SNRIs by using
GHKCU.
So it'll modulate corticalcenters in the brain to
basically normalizeneurochemistry.
So we're literally using it tomodulate things like dopamine,
norepinephrine, serotonin.
But again, it's not not I saymodulate specifically, meaning

(20:25):
it's not going to increase ordecrease by default.
It's going to bring the levelsto what you need them.
So if you are too highdopaminergic and you're starting
to get the little shakes, oryou're too low dopaminergic you
don't have the motivation at all, it's going to bring it up or
pull it down based on what yourneurochemistry needs interesting
because I, you know, this is athis is a whole nother topic.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I would say the.
The one thing I always feellike I'm trying to work on, like
everyone has their like legacythings that they pretty much
work on for their whole life,right, or they spend a good
amount of years trying to figureout.
And one of them, for me, is Ifeel like I have a unique brain
chemistry.
I mean, I I probably didn'thelp it by being so

(21:06):
one-dimensional for so long,like when you're trying to, when
you're an Olympic athlete.
It's like you're just likeeverything is this, everything,
everything is.
I sacrifice everything in lifefor this, for this, for this.
So I tend to be a rabbit holerwhere if I'm into something, I'm
into it like 24-7, and thenI'll just burn out and I'll be
like I need to take three daysand just not even think about

(21:27):
anything.
But my brain chemistry is, youknow, maybe GHKCU, the copper
peptide, is actually balancingmy brain chemistry a little bit.
Maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's usually how it comes in and how it acts.
So question follow-up for youis what doses are you normally
getting that at?
Because it could be a big doserange depending on the person.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I do one to two milligrams injectable.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
You could probably have that one milligram in daily
in the morning fairly long term, as long as you're not getting
too high copper levels which youhave to take a lot of GHK.
If that even happened, you takeit as that morning AM circadian
ligand.
Get outside, Let your eyes seefirst sun.
It'll potentially affect youeven more so.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Okay, okay, yeah, I go through where I'll go maybe
two weeks and then I'll take alittle break, and then I'll go
two weeks and take a littlebreak.
I'm always kind of often on it,but lately I've been off of it
for a while and and which israre for me Like I love it.
I love the skin you know, like,oh my God, it's just.
Yeah, I love that peptide.

(22:33):
I just have a really goodconnection with it and I did not
even consider the brain aspectof it, so that that could be, um
, that could be something.
What about, uh, thymus alpha-1?
Because I think that for theimmune system and autoimmune
conditions and rebalancing theinnate and the adaptive immune
systems, have you got anytertiary and primary effects of

(22:55):
that?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
A lot.
So real quick back to GHK.
I've had people do it daily forupwards of a year to replace
their medications and zeronegative side effects.
Again, we monitored copperlevels, obviously, but as long
as there was no copper toxicitythen it was perfectly well
tolerated.
I'd rather have them have thatin play than SSRI or SNRI that's
causing other kinds of neuralatrophies.

(23:16):
So the traditional cycle lengthit could be dramatically high.
You can also do it Monday,wednesday, friday or in
frequently throughout the week.
It doesn't have to be a dailything because it operates on a
very genomic principle, meaninglong-term, chronic.
You're changing your genes withthat.
So I wanted to say that just soyou know.
Like the window is huge forfrequency and application.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, and we had mentioned before I got on this
that I had used Kratom to spenda lot of hours sitting in front
of a computer because anyonethat may not know if you go to
my website, I built that thing.
If you go to clubexescom, Ibuilt that thing.
I tend to like to learn thingsbut can't sit still for long
periods of time because I'm soactive.

(23:56):
But Kratom, which is an opioid,I would do the one that was
blended with kava, and so Itypically I know I have a low
GABA, but that allowed me towork, but it was doing something
to my brain that I was like Idon't really I feel like this is
killing my motivation.
So maybe this copper peptidekind of helped re-architect and

(24:18):
modulate a little bit of thoselevels so that they're more
normal.
I mean, I feel pretty good, butI do feel like sometimes I sit
down at a desk and I'm like Idon't even know where to begin.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, you want to be just like everything else we
talked about, like before werecorded.
You want to be 110% everysingle day, in every aspect of
life.
I feel like with our technology, our tech, just the information
we have, the education, all thetools we have, I don't see why
that's like a fallacy.
I don't see why everyoneshouldn't be living their best
life every single day.
So I think shooting for that isjust what everyone should be
doing Exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
I totally agree with you.
All right, let's move on to youknow how much time we got here.
Do we want to spend all thistime on peptides?
Well, how about this?
Are there any peptides outthere that you really are just
so surprised at what you'regetting out of it?
Or anything new with peptides,like I recently just started
doing SS 31 and I was like, wow,this, this peptide feels like
someone put new batteries in me.

(25:10):
It was phenomenal.
You helped me figure out thedosing for that and, uh, I, I
kind of I never, I kind of wroteoff, not wrote off, but I sort
of put on the side themitochondrial peptides for a
long time because they the mot CI hated injecting.
Like, how do I get enough waterin there to inject all of this

(25:32):
without it being this massivefive injections everywhere?
But SS 31 is a little bit moreof a, a tolerable amount.
That's simple and easy to doand, man, I, I love that peptide
.
I really like it.
How are you dosing mot C?
Well, you know, there's so many, there's so many ways to do it
like.
There's the one time a week,there's a multiple times a week,

(25:53):
there's five or ten milligramsonce a week, uh, for 10 weeks.
There's dr c's protocol.
There was a protocol thatvarious people had put out.
That kind of rose to the top.
How do you recommend dosing motc?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
that's why I asked too because I think this would
be a cool sidestep in theconversation as well the whole
application application, becauseI think it's very misunderstood
, right?
So I'm someone who used tolearn about half-lives, peak
concentration and that reallymeant a lot, right, that has a
place in pharmacokineticsdynamics to understand how drugs
supplements, how everythingworks.
Right.
The problem with that isespecially in the peptide world.
They're operating more onnon-genomic and genomic chemical

(26:26):
signaling principles.
Meaning non-genomic happensright now, peak of seconds.
So if you're injecting SS31,actions are happening.
Okay, that's signaltransduction, that happens as
you're injecting it.
It doesn't have to be all theway in, there could just be a
little bit and it's starting towork.
Then the genomic side of thingsthat's the chronic long-term
changes that happen over days,weeks, months and years.
So anytime you take oneinjection of one peptide, you're

(26:49):
technically changing yourgenome forever, which, if you're
doing it in the right fashion,it could be very good.
If you're doing it in the wrongfashion, it could be bad.
So that sounds scary, but inreality, think about it as
something's happening right now,it's something happening
long-term.
So in that kind of vein, if wecan have a compound that we can
get action right now andlong-term, wouldn't it make most
sense to apply it in a dailyfashion for the vast variety of

(27:12):
reasons?
Because we're getting achemical signal here and another
chemical signal there, versusjust one long-term chemical
signal.
So yeah, and again, generally,for like mot c could be used in
that daily fashion doses,usually 200 to 500 microns, you
know what I mean.
Upon waking, pre-workout,something like that, depending
on the goal.
But the doses can be worked upvery high based on the
individual.

(27:32):
So it's always that individualbased response.
It could be worked up tomultiple milligrams depending on
the reason.
Mozzi specific because it'sworking on the, the
mitochondrial.
So it's that short open readingframe.
So you zoom in on the dna, lookthe mitochondrial dna, it spits
out short open reading frames.
Spits out mozzi, so it'smitochondria open reading frame
of the 12th srnac.
Just tells you where it'sacting.

(27:52):
What it does basically whatthat does a really good job of
is it'll actually up regulatethe entire sirtuin family.
So if you're taking mozzi to upregulate the sirtuins and all
the cool things everyone has nadfor, then that's a different
protocol than if you're takingthe drive ampk, which is
different, trying to drive mymTOR with it so many things, and
that's to me where thefrequency and dosage has really

(28:13):
changed.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Interesting If you're trying to get some DNA repair.
I imagine that MOTC wasprobably pretty good right.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right, yeah.
So whenever you have your IVgirl or guy show up with your
NAD.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Maybe you throw a little MOTC in the bag just
going to potentiate it, yeahlike just going to potentiate it
, you know, yeah, yeah, I'm gladyou mentioned this because
other peptides like I know theepitalon protocol that the
soviets were doing for a longtime that people use it for
telomeres or that's a good oneto talk about.
What's that that's a good one totalk about yeah, and so people

(28:44):
would do five or ten milligrams,you know, for 10 days.
It was like either you do 50milligrams or 100 milligrams, so
but it was these big doses.
Then there was sort of likewell, what about one milligram a
day?
And and so I kind of moved awayfrom the five to 10 milligrams
a day towards just doing the onemilligram and and I liked it

(29:06):
and I don't.
I've been using that protocolfor a long time and I've had my.
I don't know if these telomerestests are like even from true
not true diagnostic.
I don't know if that stuff islegit, but my telomeres were 15
years younger than me and somaybe they're working.
I do find that my sleep reset,like my circadian rhythm reset

(29:26):
with epitalon, is very real forme.
Like my circadian rhythm resetwith epitalon is very real for
me.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
No, it is too.
And so okay, if we go down theepitalon conversation and
remember all the dosageprotocols, things like that,
it's through my lens, myexperience of people for the
past 13 years.
I don't think anyone's wrong.
It's always your own lens andyour experiences, because
there's thousands of differentways to do things In my world.
Looking at epitalon, you candose it multiple different ways.
But again, if we look at itfrom a telomerase aspect, so

(29:52):
trying to actually lengthentelomeres, you're looking at
that three prime overhang.
So DNA works.
You have that parent strand, soyou have a three prime to a
five prime.
Then below that it goes theopposite three to five prime
underneath.
That's the new strand and thenthat little overhang, that three
prime, that's the thing thatslowly shortens over time.
So then the dna gets shorterand shorter.
Everyone knows that right.
The problem is what if thatstrand, what that three prime

(30:13):
overhang, goes too far?
It'll spill over and it canstart fueling senescent cell and
cancer cell growth.
So in the epitalin based worldyou gotta take a lot of epitalin
.
But it's also one of thebiggest peptides I think
everyone should respect more.
So I don't like doing a 50milligram bolus or something
like that if you do a 10milligram bolus once or twice a
month, every three months, fourmonths, that's more than fine.

(30:35):
Or the the milligram for like10 days, 20 days, 30 days,
whatever, then you're doing thata couple times a year.
I think that's more than fine,I think it's more of the total
dose and total duration.
People run into problems becauseif you are again going and
overshooting that three primeoverhang, it's spilling over
into the wrong cascade.
You can't really get a lot ofnegative side effects if you
overdose on tb or bpc.

(30:55):
Maybe the, the dopaminereceptor transmission, changes
with bpc.
But that's more dependent onthe person, not the dose.
But epitalin is the one where Iwould like to stay away from
fueling anything senescent, youknow, because they're already
not.
That's still very bad.
They're doing their own lifecycle.
They're supposed to proliferate, die off, move on to the next
thing that's supposed to happen.
But fueling them further I'mnot a big fan of, for obvious

(31:16):
reasons.
So I would rather be morecautious with the epitalin
dosage and then, like you said,that that's, that's just for
longevity health.
If you're using it to resetyour circadian pattern, that's
absolutely amazing, right, youcould do a little bit in the
morning or before bed, becauseit will stimulate some people so
like, if I would take itafternoon, I will be up for two
days straight.
But if I take it in the morning, get some first light sun
exposure, I'm good that nightand I get better sleep.

(31:37):
So it'll be stimulatory indifferent environments based on
the individual going back totheir own neurochemistry, so you
want to trial it differenttimes a day for you yeah, and,
and there is some skin healthbenefits.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Have you seen?
Have have you noticed that atall?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh yeah, and that's actually going back to a lot of
the insulin sensitivity changes.
So it's acting kind of as likea faux nutrient partitioner,
where it's improving how you'rehandling glucose, lipids and
nitrogen, so you're storingthings in the right compartments
less inflammation, less dermaldownregulation, so the skin
starts to heal itself.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
This is great.
You're like a wealth ofknowledge.
I absolutely.
This is great.
I you're like a wealth ofknowledge.
I absolutely, I love this.
What about you mentioned allthese different, like hundreds
of peptides that we're realizingor that are now we're finding,
and are people sequencing andtrying these things and using
them?
What's going on with any ofthis?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
so two camps right now.
There are ones out there thatno one knows about but we have
the cast number for.
So the cast number you canactually get it synthesized and
made and then sent out Moreexpensive, you have to know how
to do all that fun stuff, butthat's one where we can trial it
in person.
The other way is they're in theresearch and there's no cast
number.
So over in the no cast numberworld we have no application for
it because we literally can'thave it synthesized.

(32:45):
That's a very interesting worldbecause I can't talk about a
couple of them because I want toeventually bring them to the
market with BioLongevity Labs,but a couple of the ones over
there.
There's one specifically thatstands out in the mitochondrial
that's probably going to reversetype 1 diabetes, which is super
crazy, but again there's nocast number.
So that's all in the literature.
Maybes we still got to try thatout Over here in this world,

(33:05):
the ones that no one knows about.
But we have the cast number,we're synthesizing, we're
getting all the data.
I try to never talk about acompound list.
If I had at least 100 people,use it myself, because if it's
100 easy number, 99 of peopleresponded amazingly well and one
percent that one person didn't,and then it builds from there.
So I try to not talk unless Ihave at least 100, but I prefer
like 500 ish people, um, just tokind of make sure I have all my

(33:26):
bases covered.
But over in that world, themitochondria space is exploding
like crazy.
There's a whole uh no, Ishouldn't say that uh, yeah,
there's a there's a lot ofmitochondrial things that are
kind of taking the forefront.
There's a lot of things comingout in the skin care based world
.
A couple new things come out inthe myostatin based world that
are going to be prettyinteresting.
So there's a little bit ofpeptides coming in for literally

(33:47):
fixing everything.
That's why I I made thatseminar.
We have something to fixeverything, because the peptide
space is now blowing up to say,oh, there's a skin problem,
there's a cancer problem,there's a brain health problem.
They're fixing everything withthese peptides, which is super
cool.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, they're so powerful.
Anyone that's ever had somesort of issue or something they
wanted to change and then usedpeptides.
And I have always said thatpeople overestimate what
peptides can do.
And underestimate what peptidescan do because some people are

(34:21):
just very unrealistic.
A lot of times there's a lot ofmagic bullet syndrome or thing
where like I want this one thingand it's just going to fix it.
I'm always under the impressionthat you, you can signal the
body to do, but you also got todo other things and behavioral
things and other things tonurture that adaptation and
facilitate it.
But I think this is fascinating.
It's a lot easier when you onlyhave a few choices.

(34:43):
You know because I sit there.
I remember when I got into likebrain health and all these
nootropics and I was intoracetams and all this stuff and
you find this stuff that reallyworks for you.
But now there's like so manyand you can try a lot of stuff.
You'd be like that thing isperfect for me and perfect for
me.
But over the course of 15 yearsof doing all this stuff I'll

(35:05):
circle around to something thatwas like an old school, like a
racetam, like phenylparacetam.
I'm like, oh my God, I forgothow amazing this thing is, you
know.
So it's almost like there'salmost too many choices that are
going to be coming up.
And then, really, how do youarchitect?
Cause everyone wants aframework and they want a
blueprint or they want something, and every day I do this, and

(35:25):
then I and just give me mysystem, and really it's a lot
more fluid in a way.
And just give me my system, andreally it's a lot more fluid in
a way.
Right, a lot of these things,and I think you just have to be
open-minded and always belearning.
But, man, I'm excited to hearabout some of this stuff you
guys are creating withBioLongevity Labs, because this
is an exciting time.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
It is man.
And going back to what you weresaying, I think sometimes
people see how I do things formyself, for my clients, and they
kind of misinterpret that.
Because for myself, for example, I take so many things every
single day but I've slowlyimplemented one thing, week
after week, month after month,for literally over a decade, to
figure out what works, whatdoesn't work for me personally.
And now I'm at the point whereI have my baseline and if I'm

(36:04):
going to bring in a newnootropic then I'm going to pull
something else out and thengive it a good amount of time to
really know what's working withit.
So I'll only make one change ata time and I'll make sure I
have my baseline.
So I know that any kind ofdeviation.
But most people, like you said,you see there's 20 things and
you have 20 things to fix.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
You could go that route of putting 20 things in at
one time, but if you don't knowthe science to look out, for
and I totally agree with you andI always try to tell people try
to roll things in one at a timeso that you build a
relationship with thatparticular compound or
supplement or whatever it is.

(36:40):
But you start adding, you know,just throwing too many things
into the pile, Like you have toomany variables, and you know,
well, yeah, it worked, but Idon't know what worked.
And now you're kind of stuckwith that.
You know, I got to take these20 things every single day when
it could have just been somevery simple thing, right, that's
a big one too.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
So again, these things do not have to be taken
every single day.
They could be used infrequentlyor even on an as-needed basis.
Good example Do you rememberthe movies my Big Fat Greek
Wedding, what is it called?
My big fat creek wedding?
Oh yeah, remember that.
So remember, I had the windex.
He'd spray it on everything sureyeah, bpc 157, topically
applied, works like that in themovie, meaning it literally

(37:21):
fixes almost anything topically.
So, like my puppies, theyscraped their little paws the
other day because we got a newpuppy a couple weeks ago and I
put her little paw in like abath of BPC-157 water, healed it
overnight.
A little scrape on like mydaughter's knee you spray with
BPC-157, heals it overnight.
Like that's a compound thateveryone should have on hand
Reconstitute, put it in a littlespray bottle, keep it in your
fridge.

(37:41):
Something happens.
You just spray BPC-157 on it.
It heals it, usually overnight.
If it's extreme, like a gas,you don't want to do that.
But if it's topical, nothingcrazy then you can definitely do
that.
That's something where everyonecan have easy access to keep in
there just in case.
But you don't need it every day.
It could just be an infrequentas needed player yeah, dr
elizabeth ureth.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I don't know if you know who she is.
She's probably one of myfavorite doctors in the whole
world.
She said bpc 157 should just bein the drinking water, like
literally, you should just be inthe drinking water.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Like literally, you should just be in the drinking
water.
Yeah, I've never talked withher personally, but she always
seemed like an awesome person.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Oh, she is awesome.
I mean, I'm happy to make anintroduction at some point,
because I nobody is going to beupset with me introducing you to
them.
That's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
That's right.
Yeah Well, that's why when youasked for Sandy's number, I was
like here you go.
Yeah well, that's why when youasked for Sandy's number, I was
like here you go.
No one's going to be upset.
You speak the language acrossthe board.
But you did mention some sexualhealth with the TV 500.
And I know you've worked withadult film stars.
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yep, yeah, male and female.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Male and female.
Okay, it's a very interestingtopic and it tends to be
something that can be the whatyou frame this whole podcast,
because you know people aresexual oh well, how do I
increase my penis size and allthis stuff but you've actually
laid out some things in order todo this stuff, in terms of
pumping and using a C-ring andjelking and topical DHT red

(39:04):
light.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I mean honestly, I'm very open about that.
Those are the basics.
You do those and then just likeeverything, everything else.
We don't want to just takesomething.
We're going to do something andtake something.
It's just like, like let's Iusually always use the example
of creatine.
You can take it by itself andnot do anything, but ideally
you're going to take creatineand train if you're taking it
for, like, the muscular benefitsbecause there's so many other
neurological changes, so maybethat's a bad.
I'm bad with analogies andexamples, so maybe that was a

(39:26):
bad one.
But we always want to dosomething.
We do an action and takesomething.
I don't like just thesupplement and then no action.
So that's my, that's myphilosophy yeah, right, I mean,
it should be like that.
So in this world, you do themanual work, you're breaking up
the, the fibrous connectivetissue of the penis uh, clitoral
difference will save that, uh,for a second when the erectile
tissue for male world, you'rebreaking that up, you're

(39:47):
changing the mitochondria beingmore blood flow, oxygen
nutrients, that's hemodynamics.
Then you do things topotentiate that.
So, like you said, with the dhtgels you could do localized
applications of injectable dht.
You could do localizedapplications of igf, des to
spark growth in the area.
Specifically, you could do allokay.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
So hold so you can do , uh, injecting some sort of igf
, so like a growth hormonesecretagogue or a growth hormone
, or what are you suggesting on?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
that one.
So actually IGF, we can useeither an Increlix or an IGF-DES
.
The LR3 version of IGF is moreof a circulatory insulin
regulatory player, which is cool.
That handles a lot of nutrientpartitioning.
But if we want localized growth, because you can do this for
your biceps, your shoulders,your glutes, your penis doesn't
really matter you would locallyapply IGF-DES or Incralex.

(40:37):
Incralex is straight IGF thattends to spill over in the
global system and cause someorgan-based strains.
So we usually say I'll say I'llhold off on the actual IGF,
straight like an Incralex.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
go with the IGF-DES which off on the actual IGF
straight like an Incralex gowith the IGF-DES, which is
staying a little more locallyInteresting.
So I've been into this for along time because I try to
biohack everything and I've usedthe Joel Kaplan pump for years,
which I think his is the bestone.
I'll include a link in the shownotes.
I'm on my third one and thosethings are pretty pretty.
You know they last a long time.

(41:09):
But I've always consideredgetting blood flow and oxygen
and then, like you said, likethe jelking, the massage, I mean
you can definitely increasesize with doing that stuff and
the health of it.
And then I use this red light.
I have it sitting right here.
Let me grab this One second.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, while you're grabbing that too, just for
those listening, there's alsothe red light that you'll put
directly on your rectal tissue,so it just literally looks like
a, like a normal, like a pump,but there's red light built into
it.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
You can, oh yeah, I'm always like somebody needs to
just hit a home run with that,but I use this.
This is a flex beam, so you cannice, you can literally like
wrap around, and these thingsare pretty, pretty powerful.
You can do red or a combinationof red.
So no, no one else should touchthat one right no, no one should
touch that that's yours, that'smine yeah, so uh, but I keep

(42:01):
everything safe, but I've, I'venever done any of the igf or you
know, or the, uh, even the.
Can you even get dht cream,like you, I imagine?
Okay, so you know where to getit right a mess that's not easy
to come by, I imagine so certaincompounding pharmacies will do
it, because females can use italso to drive that clitoral

(42:23):
growth change.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
so if they want to get more sensitive clitoral uh
interactions, uh, betterorgasmic strength, certain
compound pharmacies will do that.
That's usually hard to find,it's usually you know other
routes to go get it.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, I tell you another thing that I've done,
which I think are great and I'mvery happy with I've injected
exosomes, oh yeah, and man, it'slike you're an 18-year-old
again.
The response is it's almostannoying, an 18 year old, again
you.
The response is it's almostannoying, like it literally is
almost like oh, my god, this islike an 18 year old penis, right

(42:58):
, you know, because you know youthink at a 50 year old man
you're like, yeah, well, I wantthat.
And then, but then when youactually start having that and
you these spontaneous erectionsanywhere or anything, and it
starts having this response it'sit's, it's good, it, you can
bring it back is what I'm tryingto say, you know oh, that, so
that's the perfect way to wordit.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
So, uh, using exome therapy directly into the penis
or into clitoral tissue.
If it's working that well, it'susually because there's some
kind of damage occurring in thattissue.
If you have a perfectly healthy, if, if you took that
18-year-old with no erectiletissue problems, you won't get
any effect.
Exosomes are amazing at repair,so there has to be damage there
to bring the oxygen nutrientsand drive those cellular repairs

(43:40):
.
So to me that's a good sign.
If you respond that well, don'tyou go?
Oh, okay, I have to changesomething in the meantime.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
You're not going every single day but doing that
every quarter, like you said.
Absolutely awesome, have you?
Have you played with, uh, likeoxytocin or dopamine?
So I have oxytocin, lozenges,trokes or whatever, um, and I I
kind of just did it to do it,and this was years ago.
I now feel like I would like todo it with a more conscious
approach to doing something.
And then with dopamine, I'veplayed around with.
I mean, there's all theprecursors you know like it just
the, the Acuna, prurines andthe various nootropics that do

(44:20):
dopamine precursors, also thecellelgeline, which is a
pharmaceutical to MAO inhibitor.
It basically slows down thebreakdown of dopamine.
Um, because dopamine I know forsure there's a connection with
that and your sexual drive,right.
It's sort of like thetestosterone of the brain, right

(44:41):
?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
okay, cool.
So let's get into that realquick then.
So let's give the female somelove for this part of this
conversation.
Um, so, first of all, in thebrain male or female doesn't
matter it's this oxytocin,dopamine, nergic base metabolism
that's occurring.
Then send signals through thespinal cord, all the prorectal
centers.
For females it'll bleed offinto the actual breast and
nipple architecture, then godown through the spine and then

(45:02):
go into the clitoral network,which will literally space out
and branch out.
It's super crazy cool if youever look at a picture whereas
guys it'll go through the actualtesticles and then into the
actual penis.
For females, that process tostimulate blood flow and
hemodynamic changes to breast,nipple and clitoral tissue
architecture most of the time is5 to 15 minutes, usually closer
to 10 to 15.
Guys, depending on how healthythey are, 60 seconds, a couple

(45:25):
minutes, right?
Exactly.
I mean the old adage of theforeplay needed for females and
not for males as much.
It's true biologically, becausethey just don't push blood that
fast, they're not pushing andmoving dopamine oxytocin around.
So in the female-based worldkeep in mind, by the way males
basically orgasm one way, two.
I mean there's like a couplefor guys, depending on where

(45:45):
you're stimulating what tissuefemales have like dozens of
different types of orgasms.
So if you understand that, thenyou go back, say okay, if it's
starting in the brain, we canmodulate that oxytocin and
dopaminergic metabolism to thenpush orgasmic strength potential
and then you modulatehemodynamic flow and then you
take that 10 to 15 minutes downto two minutes and I think I use

(46:06):
this example at the seminarbecause I give it all the time
it's that the red light or thestoplight effect to where, once
you start improving thatclitoral tissue sensitivity and
improving how blood flow willget down to that vaginal bowl.
So vaginal bowl being clitoraltissue, the vaginal hood, which
is the lips and all that funstuff, every woman.
Once you fix these problems,they will have a small shearing
effect.
So literally, pants will justrub on the clitoral tissue the

(46:28):
wrong way effect.
So literally, pants will justrub on the clitoral tissue the
wrong way.
Whenever you stop at a stopsign you got to slam on your
brakes, it'll rub and there'llbe a spontaneous orgasm.
We've had that happen.
I've gotten that dozens anddozens of times over the years
after we fixed the sexualproblem Going back upstream, if
you have the hormones fixed,because usually it's
testosterone driving libido infemales and estrogen for males.
So it's kind of the opposite ofwhat people would think.
You fix the dopamine oxytocin,you're good to go.

(46:49):
So intranasal oxytocin is areally good player because
you're getting straight inthrough that nasal cavity and
it's also remember through thenose.
It's driving up hippocampal andamygdala-based changes, so
emotion and memory.
So now all of a sudden you canreally train yourself to be
easier aroused.
So protocols I put together forcertain couples is they'll
literally sit together in redlight therapy together.

(47:10):
So I have two models set backto back.
They're on the ground, legsspread, both naked.
Uh, red light therapy nearinfrared on both genital tissues
.
Beforehand.
We'll have them do theirprotocols, whether it be
self-stimulation, the jelking uh, there's also clitoral pumps
for females as well.
That works extremely well.
Could be oxytocin intranasally,could be like a 9 mebc to drive
up dopamine receptor function.

(47:30):
So it actually improves therepair process of dopamine
receptors, if that's an issue.
And they literally sit thereand they'll self-stimulate and
they'll usually have aconversation about that first
time they were together or somekind of fantasy that they
personally enjoy.
What we're doing in thisenvironment is training the
brain to remember all of theemotions that happened in that
moment, like when you're withyour wife for the first time.

(47:51):
Thinking back, you're like Iwish I could relive that, just
to remember that If you go intothis environment and maybe add
some new pep beforehand or somenootropics, you're ingraining
that memory, you're encodingthose memories to come back to
life.
So then all of a sudden, themarriage of 30, 40 years or
maybe your love life, yourintimacy life, was petering out
a little bit.
You can bring that back by justchanging how you're remembering

(48:12):
those memories.
Then even the smell of yourwife or of your husband,
depending on who you are in thesituation that'll automatically
drive arousal because it's stillthrough that nasal cavity.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, it really does point to that the arousal
process really begins in thebrain Does, yeah for sure, and
that how powerful that it is tocircle back up to that and
really use that as the driver.
And if you're with somebody andyou married them and there's a
reason, you probably wentthrough a very intense sexual

(48:44):
experiences together and thosethings are ingrained and you
might not try to bring those upto the surface again.
You know, that's a coolprotocol, like that's so cool
that you're doing that kind ofstuff.
What about this?
What is it called Cabergoline?
Because that basically whatinhibits prolactin and it does
some stuff with dopamine right,yeah, so you look at like
dopamine inhibitory hormones.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
If you look at prolactin being high, dopamine
is going to be low, dopamine ishigh, prolactin is low.
So that's just, it's how itworks in biology.
It's a checks and balancesystem.
So if someone has thathyperprolactinemia, where
prolactin is way too high,dopamine is going to be low.
That could be a problem for thepoor erections or the no
motivation at all, poor strengthin the gym, like low

(49:31):
cabergoline, um primipexil,drugs like that are very big
over in a lot of theneurological dysfunctional
diseases like parkinson's.
They're very chemicallypowerful.
So in this world for the sexualdysfunction we might bring it
in if there's like a postfinasteride syndrome case, but
that's kind of far and extremeamounts of dopamine that tend to
cause a lot of problems.
Because in biology again wedon't want crazy low or crazy
high one right in the middle andit's pretty hard to dose cable
properly.
So if you are going to try itit's a one-time-per-week

(49:53):
application, 0.125 milligrams, avery, very, very low dose and
see how you respond.
You can cause problems and itwill drive a lot of neural
atrophy over time if you keep itin consistently no-transcript,

(50:21):
like some of my girls on thebrowser circuit right now.
The way they do a lot of theirscenes is they'll do all their
scenes in the course of 8, 12 or16 weeks and they're done for
the year.
A couple of girls will do itlike scattered throughout the
year, but a lot of them like toclump it all together.
So if you are doing that muchsexual action over a couple of
months, you get worn outneurochemically, just like.
Imagine training for theOlympics.
Imagine if you had to train forthe final six weeks but you did

(50:42):
that for three, four months,like I'm sure you actually did.
Because Because at that levelyou have to, but it destroys
your body, it destroys yourbrain, so you do have to
supplement for that accordingly.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah, yeah, when you start getting into the
performance world Real quick.
I want to follow up on theoxytocin.
I've always been a little bitkind of shy of doing it because
I'm already a nice guy in myopinion.
I mean, maybe some people thinkI'm a jerk, but I mean I've
always felt that, oh, I don't,I'm afraid I don't want to be so
gullible because oxytocin cankind of make you trust everybody

(51:16):
, Right.
But is that maybe the wrong wayof thinking about it?
Because it's like, no, you wantto just use it discreetly in
this window for your life andnot when you're like out and
about working or having anegotiation or something like
that.
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
If you're that person that has that social anxiety,
you can use it before then,because you need that extra push
and bolus of oxytocin.
But if you're using it in thiskind of sexual improvement world
and you can always also takethe injectable oxytocin so it's
the only compound out there thatwill drive biotransformation of
adipocyte to myocyte.
So you're taking energy fromfat cells and fueling enables
and building new muscle tissuewith it.
So, depending on how you use it, will also change its end fate.

(51:53):
That's how trend blown and likethe bodybuilding world and all
back on the cow.
The cattle research that's howit got so big was because of its
modulation on oxytocin levels.
So intranasal, a lot of goodneurochemical players for the
sexual performance based world,and some other things as well
social anxiety, injectable,still going to spill over a
little bit into everything else,but also driving the anabolic
effect.
Um, the one thing with oxytocin,though, is if you because you

(52:15):
have to slowly work the dose upfor all of these if you take too
much, your ears get beat readyto get a ton of head pressure in
your heart.
You don't get tachycardic, butyour stroke volume, so it'll
feel like thump, thump.
It feels like you're having aheart attack, you're not having
a heart attack.
If you're not having a heartattack, that generally means hey
, you took a little too much,take a little bit less.
So we try to slowly work up.
That's a normal effect.
But if people don't know that'sgoing to come, you'll freak out

(52:36):
like crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Interesting.
That's just somebody who hasbeen around the block and knows
that here's the ranges andhere's what happens.
That's why you're such a greatperson to learn all this stuff
from, because you say, well,here's the science of it and
here's how to do it, but also,at the same time, here's how you
know you did too much.
That's pretty powerful to havethat as a resource.

(52:59):
I did want to talk brieflyabout I can't believe how fast
time is going.
I feel like I could pick yourbrain all day.
But I did want to mention malehormones, maybe even female
hormones, because I am under theimpression now that at some
point in every person's life,their life would be improved by
optimizing their hormones.
At some point, every singleperson on this earth at some you

(53:22):
know, are you, do you agreewith?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
that Completely agree with the caveat that if the
world suddenly changed in termsof the poor water, the
malnourishment from our foodsources, all of the blue light
exposure we would have tocompletely change our society
around, which will probablynever happen.
If that happened no, weprobably wouldn't need it.
The problem is this has changedover the last hundred years.

(53:45):
It's gotten worse and worse.
Probably won't get better,except for the crowd like us
that are actively doing thingslike wearing our blue light
blocking glasses or getting oursun exposure, or structuring our
water or doing whatever we'redoing.
So I agree, I think everyoneshould be, unless if the world
completely changed, which itwon't.
But I think it's a good way topreface that because people need
to understand it's only becausethe environment that we've
created for ourselves and I alsodon't want to give up

(54:07):
technology, like we wouldn't beable to have this podcast if
this technology wasn't there.
So we just have to do the rightthings in the background to
bridge that gap, to adapt to thenew society we're in, because
we can't really do what ourancestors did because the
ancestors didn't have 5g youknow, yeah, yeah, exactly, and
the ancestors didn't really livebeyond 120, 125 or whatever.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And that's our goal is to expand the life span of a
human being and the health spanand, for me, the fit span.
You know, I always I'm like Idon't want to just be here and
be even remotely healthy, I wantto be an ass kicker, I want to
feel great, you know so, dude II loved your seminar at foh live
because you're up there likedoing push-ups, jumping jacks
you fell off the stage at onepoint.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
You're like doing flips, like I was getting jacked
up, like I wanted to go upthere and join you doing all the
stretches.
It was cool.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
That's awesome, cool, yeah, cause one of the first.
I gave this speech a couple ofyears ago at Radfest and at the
end of it I just I gave it onexercise and I was so fired up
and everyone got really lit upand I didn't even think I just I
just kicked to a hand stand andI started doing handstand

(55:16):
push-ups like this and everyonewent nuts and so a lot of times
I can't help, but I get soexcited and everything and I, I
just feel like I think exerciseis man.
I, I thank god for exerciselike I don't I am.
I literally left the gymyesterday and I said that to
myself thank God for exercise,it is, I just love it, but I

(55:37):
don't want to get off the.
The hormone thing Like God.
Okay, let's say this guy callsyou up, he's around 35.
Something's going on.
I don't feel I'm not respondingand classic signs brain fog,
like low libido.
Not responding to workout Justdoesn't.
I just don't feel like I usedto.
What do you recommend to theseguys, besides getting a blood

(56:00):
test?
Obviously?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So, like we've talked about before, recording too,
the nanograms per deciliter havechanged over the years.
As society has gotten sickerand sicker, those blood levels
get lower and lower.
So it used to be up to 1,500.
Nanograms per deciliter was thetop end of normal.
Now it's like 800, 900.
I've seen some where it's at700, which I can't even believe.
That's out there as top end ofthe reference range.

(56:31):
No-transcript, because althoughI'm a big fan of hrt, certain
people don't want to go downthat route or don't want to
inject anything yet.
So it could be theover-the-counter supplements,
first of like tanga, dalish,stance, fidoja, like some of the
basic things, maybe graduate tolike a testalute and
bioregulator things like that,and then things still aren't

(56:51):
working.
Then you go into the HRT TRTspace, so that could be a slow
introduction of the creams.
The creams, again, the kineticsare pretty tough, same with the
lozenges.
They work amazingly well forcertain individuals, but it's
all about the timing and thenhow many times you would take it
during the day and is there arisk of contact exposure from,
like, the cream-based world andthe application process.
So a lot of different ways todo it before you even have to
take an injection.

(57:11):
Ultimately I love the kineticsof the injections.
They're the most reliable andthey're a lot easier to time.
But then once you have a longester testosterone let's say a
traditional cipionate, right?
Everyone's going to dismantleand cleave that ester
differently.
So it should be an applicationone time per week, right?
Does not happen that way.
Certain people have tomicrodose it daily.
Subcutaneous get less estrogenspillover.
Other people do intramuscular.

(57:32):
Monday, wednesday, friday.
Some people like myself.
I clean these things terribly.
I can take a shot once a week,probably once every two weeks,
and be fine, because I justdon't break these things down
that fast.
That's for my metabolism.
Certain people could be doingtwice a week, three times a week
.
It just depends on theindividual.
So there's no right or wrongway to do it.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Interesting.
How do you know that?
Are you using like a Dutchpanel or something to see the
metabolites?
Or like what do you Feedback?
You just what's feedback,Biofeedback.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
So the biggest thing you'll know is you'll take your
shot of testosterone as a maleor female.
You'll see energetic, You'llstart recycling acetyl going
through the spinal cord of thebrain.
You'll feel like you were 25again, like you're 30 again,
right.
And then by day three or fouryou're like oh my God, I'm not
getting my nocturnal erection.
Sleep isn't as good.
I'm feeling more stressed out.
Oh, I'm cle.

(58:26):
One shot per week.
Never needed to change itbecause I felt amazing from that
.
I've never come down from that,Whereas other people might.
Once you see that downward curvewith biofeedback, that's when
you have to put another dose inBecause at the end of the day,
again, reference ranges onlymatter for you.
So I tell everyone recreateyour own reference ranges, you
may feel amazing.
So, like my reference range.
So everyone knows mytestosterone right now is
probably 200 nanograms perdeciliter, super low.

(58:48):
But I'm taking nangelone as myHRT, not testosterone, because I
respond very poorly totestosterone.
I get all the negative sideeffects, I get no positives, I
get acne, my hair falls out.
I just don't respond well,Whereas nangelone I've only ever
gotten better sleep, more fatloss, everything improved, my
mental clarity, memory recall,everything improved.
So on paper testosterone iscrazy low, but I'm fixing the

(59:11):
angiotensin load withNeanderthal, so there's also
that to take into consideration.
But reference ranges onlymatter for you 800, 1200, 1500
nanograms per deciliter.
How do you feel?
And then get your blood workand say, okay, I respond best in
this range Might be a littlebit higher might be a little bit

(59:32):
higher, might be a little bitlower, but it only matters for
you interesting.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, you know, and even
with myself, because when Iturned 40, 39 and 40 I, I
started using hcg as amonotherapy and it worked
incredible.
I was able to get my levels upto, I mean, 13, I like really
really well, you know, and mytesticles were definitely able
to get that luteinizing hormonemimetic signal and really

(59:55):
manufactured testosterone.
And then over the course oftime, over the course of a
decade, I started implementingsome clomiphene or on clomiphene
, and that helped because theyou know, the monotherapy was
wasn't as effective.
But it's a bit of a pain in theass because you had to inject
you this stuff all.
I don't mind it, but that's thething is.
You know, a lot of guys arelike well, and you have to tell

(01:00:17):
them like, once you start,you're kind of on this, I mean,
maybe if you're doing liketongkat ali or some of the
things you're just seeing, ifthey work or cause I imagine
that stuff is in a long termsolution, cause you're gonna
have to cycle it.
I mean, tonka Ali, is itprobably not going to just work
indefinitely?
Nothing is, I mean well, untilyou get to the big boys, you
know but, yeah, yeah.
And then now for me, I'm doingthe oral testosterone we talked

(01:00:40):
about, which gives me a pulsethroughout the day, and then six
hours later you take anotherpulse and I love it, um, just
because I feel like I got my.
You know, get my, my.
My workouts are fantastic.
Um, I don't feel like I'mstepping on the gas too hard.
It's a oral, I mean.
It's so easy to take, it's sonice.

(01:01:02):
So for me, I'm always like letme do the absolute, like all the
sort of precursor stuff, untilI finally get onto the full
blown replacement.
And a lot of that was built onthis philosophy that I wanted to
maintain my fertility.
But then you were like well,that's not a problem, you just
take some HMG and someinjectable carnitine.

(01:01:22):
And then what else did you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
mention Usually HCG.
So you want to driveintratesticular
reactionsadogenesis and then youshould want to fix motility if
there's dna fragmentationproblems.
You do like a little bit of tb500.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
There's a couple things you bring in there, but
that's like the basic three orfour and so you're just like if
you do this cocktail, you'repretty much gonna light it up so
I am very proud of this fact.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Um, I haven't checked the numbers lately, but I last
time I checked it was over 2 000, I think, pregnancies.
I've been able to be a part ofan actual conceptions, which is
crazy to be like I helped bringlike over 2 000 babies into this
world and like I'm just soproud.
I have tons more to post, um,because I always wait you always
want to wait the danger zonethe first 12 weeks, then after
that you know.
First you know trimester, thenit's okay.

(01:02:06):
Now you can post about it.
But I've helped a ton of peoplewith fertility and I'm so proud
of that because I love my kids.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
That's awesome, you know, good for you that I, that
is so admirable.
You know, like, yeah, good foryou.
And uh, you know you made memake me not worry as much about
like, if I do decide to go on,let's say, injectable
testosterone, that I'll stillhave the capacity because, yeah,
we'll see.
Right for now, I think the, theorals, are working.

(01:02:31):
What about the?
What about the growth hormoneside?
Because I've tried all thegrowth hormone secretagogues
from the CJC 1295, no DAC withipamorelin, the combination of
those two, dosing it multipletimes a day, the Ibutamaran,
which is oral, the Grelin'smemetic, the tesamorelin's,
there's a lot and I like all ofthem and they all have their

(01:02:55):
sort of nuances, but they're nota.
They all have to be cycled, inmy opinion.
Is that?
Do you feel the same way?

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
No, not necessarily that.
Do you feel the same way?
No, not necessarily.
Um, so if you look at thatsomatropic system, look at a lot
of the old research that wasdone in a lot of just when they
were trying to figure out thekinetics and dynamics of the
actual growth hormone molecule,and so they were giving.
So if you get a vial ofexogenous growth hormone, it's
the 22 kildalton variety, so ourbody produces a 22, a 20, 17,
15 all these oligomers,heterodimers.

(01:03:25):
Our body produces a 22, a 20,17, 15, all these oligomers,
heterodimers.
Our body produces a ton ofdifferent growth hormones.
It's not just like one thing,right?
So that vial is a 22 kilodon.
You take that.
What everyone thinks is that itwill shut down and cause
complete suppression, and thenthere's no 20.
There's nothing else.
That's how they actually getyou on the ice form ratio test.
It's water and the Olympics andstuff like that.
It's just a ratio.
So the problem with that,though, is that literally

(01:03:47):
couldn't happen, or biologicallyyou wouldn't survive.
You need different things, likefor your eyes to work properly,
you need different fragments ofthose growth hormones that our
body's already producing.
So what we see is not completesuppression, but blunting.
So you have a short bluntingprocess from the exogenous
hormone itself.
The things kick back onlinethree, four hours later and then
there's another spill of thedifferent oligomers,

(01:04:08):
heterodimers, the 17s and thingslike that to recirculate and do
all that fun stuff.
They did the research on peopleusing exogenous growth hormone
for years and years on end,every single day, and the worst
case scenario, they came off andwithin I think it was 24, 48
hours, complete restoration ofnormal growth hormone cycles
actually restored.
So if we understand that, asthe exogenous one, the peptides,

(01:04:29):
all they're doing.
So MK is different.
Mk works on the enzymaticsomatropic system.
So it's driving growth hormonesecretion through a different
aspect, the traditional IPMs andthings like that.
That's stimulating theglandular production.
So you're technically juststimulating your own natural
production.
In that way, mk definitelysteps over the line because it's
extremely strong.

(01:04:49):
Of all of them, I'd say NK isprobably the only one you
shouldn't be on the longest term.
I've had people you'd be on itfor a year, two years, something
like that kind of what we'retrying to fix.
Bring the dosage up and down,depending.
But that's not a long-termsolution for a lot of
individuals because it'll drop alot of edema which will bring a
lot of inflammation,insensitivity and causes
problems, long-term or higherdose.

(01:05:10):
But the IPAM, the traditionalgrowth hormone-releasing
hormones, or the peptides, orexogenous growth hormone, those
can be long-term therapies,depending on what you're trying
to drive.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Yeah, I've heard the MK-677, I beat him around.
You shouldn't do more than 90days in a row, according to Dr
Seeds, because he says you caninvolute the receptor like you
can mess up the receptors, but Ilike to use that one if I'm
going on like I'm going to puton some wheat, like, because it
makes you hungry, right.
It activates that hunger.
And I've heard the CJC-1295,ipamorelin, like that one you

(01:05:41):
can it's kind of mild right.
You can dose it multiple timesa day, like right now I have a
pen and I'm just hitting that,like in the morning and the
evening, and then after workoutI'm hitting it quite a bit
because I'm trying to put onsome muscle and I love
Tessamorelin.
But to me nothing is as greatas growth hormone.
Like I've done growth hormonethree times, and and and, but I

(01:06:02):
never can stay on itindefinitely.
I start to feel hyperplasic.
I just feel like, uh, I need tocome off of this.
You know, like nine months intoit I'm like, uh, or a year, I'm
like something's like, it'sjust, it's like a switch is just
turned on.
Yeah, you know, maybe it's adosing issue, but that's that's
usually.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
It's off to talk to dr seeds at some point about
that because usually thereceptor base changes from an mk
enzymatic standpoint prettydose dependent like.
If you look at the literaturethey've seen igf changes
prolonged and continuallyincreasing and plateauing off
after about a year.
No receptor architecture basedchanges.
But you're looking at 25milligrams, 10 milligrams, 5
milligrams, like mk does nothave to be dosed crazy high.

(01:06:41):
So that's probably what he'stalking about with the, the
receptor-based change.
I'd have to hear his opinion.
Um, but people will go 50milligrams, 75 like.
There's always a problem witheither the duration or the
dosage.
In this case it's usually thedosage.
So like growth hormone forexample, exogenous 22 cold on
growth hormone, a quarter of aniu is amazing.
A half an iu is amazing ifwe're trying to differentiate

(01:07:03):
between, like the athletic worldover here and the longevity
space over here.
You're about sub two IUs overhere.
Over here is about four plusIUs.
For the athletic world right,right in the middle is about
three IUs.
We are kind of in both worlds.
But it's also coming down topersonal response.
Certain people will take halfan IU.
They'll gain five pounds offluid overnight.
Blood pressure will shoot up to170 over 120.

(01:07:24):
They get intracranial pressure.
That's someone who's just apoor responder, because every
drug, that's why no drug is goodor bad.
That's usually how it's used.
Or are you a good or a poorresponder?
This right?
So if you're a good responderto it, maybe it's just the dose
that might be the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Yeah, very interesting.
I think I naturally have alittle bit low IGF levels.
Like I'm around I now I don'tknow, I don't know what the
proper the reference is for likea 50 year old, but I mean, I
think I'm around like 135 if I,if I do nothing, and that's just
not good enough.
You know, I, I, I think I liketo be at least 180.

(01:08:02):
I feel good once you know.
Uh, any, when I go over 200, Istart to feel a little bit too
much.
Like around 215, I'm likethat's because you have some
people like no, you should moveit up to 300, 300, optimal.
It's like not for me, yeah, forme, that's just too much.
I feel like I'm, I'm explodinglike a cellularly what you know
well it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
It's funny you say that too because, like remember,
like igf1.
So there's only really two waysthat I think people should be
checking if their growth hormoneproducts are working or valid.
First of all, set it up forthird-party HPLC testing,
actually get it mass specced tosee if it's the right purity,
right dimer content.
There's no kind of misfoldedproteins, so you know the
product's good.
And then from there IGF-1 isthe best that we can do.

(01:08:44):
But that IGF test is beyondpoor.
So the liver production processthat occurs from taking any of
these peptides or exogenousgrowth hormone.
Igf-1 is one growth factor.
You know how many growthfactors we have?
I used to have I took it down Iused to have a growth hormone
ebook.
I cut it to Somatropic Bible.
I thought it was super cool,good, catchy title.
I listed in there just to bepedantic about it hundreds, all

(01:09:06):
of the growth factors that weknow about.
There's hundreds of them.
So you may be getting all ofthe other numbers elevated.
So your IGF-1 may be lower inmid-range and your friends
saying, oh, go up higher.
But if you're feeling thoseeffects it's probably because
everything else is working thatwell.
So even the IGF score.
It's tough and that's why Ilike going back to biofeedback

(01:09:30):
and also just remembering, inbiology, extremes.
We always want to stay out ofthe extremes, unless if you're
going to be a professionalathlete.
That's extreme by nature, sothat's a different conversation
I totally agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I I do feel that you know.
Performance is basically sayingI'm willing to give up some of
my health so that I can winright now right.
I mean it's, it's just the wayit is.
And I I've been a performer,I've been in that performance
world and you literally beatyourself to shit.
It's just not language.
But I mean you, you literallyredline yourself and I wasn't in

(01:10:01):
a sport where I was doing anysort of redlining with compounds
and chemicals and things likethat, like I was just
over-trained.
Oh, dude?

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Yeah, that's exactly it.
I think everyone hears that andthinks, oh, they're going to
drug themselves to become achampion.
I'm not talking about that.
It's literally the training,the eating.
Like you destroy yourrelationships, People destroy
their joints, Like everything isonly about winning that gold
and so your life is just it'sthe most unbalanced world you

(01:10:31):
could ever be in.
So you just you tank yourselfand there's a time and a place
for that.
It's not for everyone.
I could never do that formultiple reasons.
I don't have the skill I don'thave.
There are many reasons why Icould never do that, but another
big one is that I could notgive up my family time, my work
time.
I just couldn't do that becausethat in and of itself is hard
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yeah, it really.
I mean, I was at the highestlevel for 12 years, which is
quite a long time for a gymnast,and I still have fragments of
things that I have to sort ofwrangle with in my life, sort of
wrangle with in my life.
I mean, I, I just went to anayahuasca experience in in

(01:11:11):
january, just because there'sstill fragments of this, you
know, and I never, you don't youjust you don't know, you just
know, you just think I'm justthis person and this is just who
I am.
But you know, I saw um I'vementioned this before, but, like
you know, the weight of gold,that, that, that documentary
with um, michael Phelps, andthey talked to a lot of
Olympians about how they'rementally, the, the, the, the, uh

(01:11:34):
.
You know the, the effects ofbeing this person and man.
Like you know, I, I feel likeI've done a really good job.
I mean physically I don't haveany pain or anything anywhere
and I, I mean I was supposed tobe massively arthritic and I
feel all this stuff that we'redoing and we're talking about

(01:11:57):
like completely saved my life interms of I can work out and
feel incredible and love it andnot be in any pain, and it's
just my eyesight.
I'm going to try those eyedrops, you know, but it's just a
testament to all the stuff thatwe're talking about and I do
believe, if you are a person whoyou know doesn't step on the

(01:12:19):
gas too hard, and you can findand people like you and maybe
listen to my podcast at times,because I always try to find
people like you're exactly thetype of person that I love.
I mean, as soon as I heard youspeak, I was like I love, I love
this guy and I haven't even methim yet.
I love him.
But I mean, look, I want to berespectable, uh, respect your

(01:12:40):
time.
I literally could talk to youall day because you get me so
excited about this stuff andyou're such a wealth of
knowledge.
How can people find you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Theprepcoachcom.
And then on Instagram I'm Alexunderscore Kickel, so it's
A-L-E-X underscore K-K-E-L.
And then I have a YouTube.
I think it's at Alex Kickel TPC.
I'm bad with those.
I'll send you the links to putin the show notes or whatever,
but really just those threeplaces.
I post up a ton of free stuffbecause if there's people I
can't help out, I'm trying toput out as much free content as

(01:13:13):
I can, literally just to try andgive back to the world.
It's given me everything.
For anyone who doesn't know me,I'm literally living my dream
life.
I have a wife, I have four dogs, three kids, a fourth kid on
the way.
Like I wake up every dayexcited to train, excited to
play with my kids, excited tolearn work.
Like I only can do this becauseof everyone else out there.
So I'm trying I'm making a biggoal in 2025 to give back to the

(01:13:35):
world as much as I can.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
That's awesome man You're.
You're a real inspirationbecause you're somebody who
alone would just be worthlistening to because your
knowledge.
But you're a super nice guy andyou're like a good human being.
I can see it Like you reallyyou're a family man, but you
don't curse, like you talkopenly about how much your wife

(01:14:00):
and your kids and your animalslike give to you, and so I'm.
I just think that, um, I'mreally happy that I got to meet
you.
Uh, I definitely look forwardto continuing to.
I'd like to work with you.
So I'm going to reach out to youand sort of be like okay, like
how you know, tell me how I canwork with you and and just
because I think you're a real,you're a real diamond in this

(01:14:23):
industry and I think it's it'srefreshing to not only find
someone like you but to findsomeone to you with such a good
personal constitution of selfand man.
Thanks for being so open tocoming on this podcast and just
getting to know you, and one ofthe first things you said to me
when I really kind of went up toyou it was like what are you

(01:14:44):
working on now?
And you were just so eager tooffer help.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
And so I really appreciate you, brother, I
really do Again, I appreciatethat anyone wants to hear me
babble for an hour, 10 minutes,two hours.
Like it blows my mind whenpeople are this nice to me.
So like I'm trying to getbetter at receiving compliments,
cause I'm kind of like I'm justAlex, like just have these
conversations, like we're justlike having fun and uh,

(01:15:08):
especially at FOH, I get I thinkthat was one of the key
defining moments honestly in mylife where I realized like holy
crap, like I could do a lot ofcool things in this world and I
I really take that with a lot ofresponsibility and I appreciate
you having me on.
It really does mean the worldto me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
So thank you, yeah, yeah, it's my pleasure.
Are you?
Are you coming to world peptidecongress?
I know jay is talking aboutcoming uh, when is that?
It's uh, it's in june, likelike mid, like june, maybe 10th,
11th, something like that, butit's here in vegas, um, but it's
, it's really, that's dr seedsevent and it's all uh, cellular,
it's all, basically, with aheavy emphasis in peptides and
things like that.
But I love it, I'll be emceeingit and if you do want to come,

(01:15:53):
let me know.
I'll see what I can do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Very cool.
Thank you, I think that'd be so.
We're going to have baby fouron May 28th, so that should.
I'm trying to stay home for atleast four to six weeks because
I want to make sure I enjoy thattime with the family, make sure
my wife isn't getting crushed.
So, depending on how things gowith that, I'm trying to not
make plans for that second halfyet, but if everything works out
good, then I'd love to be therejust to see you in person.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be great.
We can chat offline about it,and so, for everyone that's
listening, I'll put all thelinks to everything we talked
about.
You can go to stephenmccaincom,backslash prep coach.
So that's Stephen, with a PHMcCain, backslash prep coach.
Alex, man, kick ass, I love it.

(01:16:37):
I feel like I didn't evenscratch the surface.
I mean, I you know, but I justget so giddy talking to you.
But I think clearly there'ssome good value here for people
and I personally am going toenjoy editing this podcast
because some of the things yousaid I'm going to have to go.
I was going to write noteswhile you're talking.
I was like I don't want to edit, I'll just go back and do this.

(01:16:58):
So, um, yeah, I reallyappreciate it and thank you so
much for coming on.
Did we miss anything?

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I mean, there's always stuff to talk about, so
we'll talk off air, I'll comeback on whenever, like we'll
just kind of keep talking.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Fantastic brother.
Well, thank you so much, alex,and thank you everybody else for
listening to the Stephen McCainPodcast and stay healthy,
everyone and we appreciate youlistening and we will see you on
the next episode.
Take care, and I'll see if Ican find the button here to end
this podcast.
Here we go, okay, boom, see youguys.

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