August 14, 2024 • 54 mins
Anabel's journey is a fascinating one. She left a successful career in corporate communications to pursue a career in energy healing using tools like Reiki, astrology, and sound. On the way, she reconnected with her ancestry and lineage and even named her company Nuna, which means 'soul' in the Quechua language.
In her own words:
"When I reflected on my experiences, I realized that unresolved emotional scars kept me from being in touch with my authentic self, my soul, or “Nuna” in the indigenous Quechua language.
I established Nuna Therapy with a profound intention: to help others in rediscovering their unique authenticity and restoring harmony within themselves. My mission is to guide individuals along their paths toward self-awareness and genuine alignment."
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Unknown (00:24):
Hello and welcome to the storied human. Today I have
a really interesting guest,Annabelle tonkovic, she's a
quantum Reiki master andastrologer. She developed
something called Nuna therapy,but she wasn't always a quantum
Reiki master and astrologyastrologer. She has her time in
the corporate world, and we'regoing to hear about how she
discovered that she needed tomake that transition as we get
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to know her. So welcome,Annabelle. It's really great to
have you.
Yeah, thank you so much. I'mexcited to be here, and I'm
cracking up about oursimilarities. Before we started
this interview, we realized wecrossed paths, or, you know, you
went to the same college as mydaughter and I lived where you
grew up, and it was crazy. Yeah,yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a
serious, like, six degrees ofseparation, right? And, like,
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connection, right? So, cool, socool.
I don't usually have that, sothat was fun. So why don't you
start me out with, I know thatyour journey involved. You know,
you got out of college and youfelt like, I have to have a job
now, and where did what kind ofjob did you end up in? How did
you start? Yeah,it's funny. I mean, I think as a
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kid, I always had this drive towork, and I think it was really
around I wanted to make my ownmoney. I didn't want to depend
on anyone else. I wanted it tobe all mine. And even in high
school, like I needed to havesome kind of a job. And I
remember my parents saying, butyou have to keep your grades up
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schools first. And I'm like,that'll be fine. Don't worry.
I'm sure I'll I'll do fine. So Ialways tried to have a job. And
so after college, it was thennext logical step. It was like,
So, what's the next thing? And Ialways interred in college, and
then I started off at arelatively small company in the
biotech healthcare industry. AndI, you know, just kind of very
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natural progression. Graduated,got a full time role, and before
I knew it, I was there 10 years,close to 10 years.
So goes fast, it does it goes byso fast, and I studied
communication, and that's what Iended up doing in in the
corporate world. I was, I'vealways been in communication,
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specifically internal, dealingwith employee emails, the
intranet, employee engagement,doing events, things like that.
And, you know, I never reallyquestioned it. I was just like
in the daily grind, which iswhat happens. You get in this
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routine of your nine to five,you have an hour drive home, you
wake up and you do it again, andyou use your weekends to kind of
replenish, and then thecontinues. And before you know
it, many years can go by, but II remember that there were
several moments along thisjourney when I would have this
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feeling of, I'm just notsatisfied. There's something
here that's missing for me,either the job is wrong, right,
and maybe I just need to go findanother job in also in
corporate, but just change thename, right? Like, go find
somewhere else, or maybe I'm inthe wrong profession and role.
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But there is a bit of like, oh,do I go back to school? Like, do
I take up a certification? Like,what does that really mean? So I
just always had, there wassomething like, I wasn't sure
what it was, but something waslike, deep down, was like, this
is just doesn't feel right. Butwhen you're in your 20s, you
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don't do much about that, right?
You could have the feeling, andthen life continues, because you
have other familyresponsibilities, you get
married, you have children, youmove right. There are these huge
life transitions that also, in away, cause you to want more
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security when it comes to yourjob. So then this desire that
you might have for somethingdifferent, you kind of push
aside because you say toyourself, well, other things in
my life are moving in the rightdirection, so the job can kind
of stay where it is. So that's alittle bit of I would say, my my
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corporate backstory, yeah,and it's so true we. Talk
ourselves into staying where weare because it's safe and
secure. And I think peoplearound us sometimes say, Well,
everyone feels like that alittle bit. But look at what you
have, you know, and you sort ofget lulled into sticking with
the status quo. It's easy tohave happen
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exactly, exactly, yeah, and Ithink, I think that is the story
that we tell ourselves. Is,well, you know, this is kind of
it. This is how it is. And whenthen you when you say it that
way, or you hear other peoplekind of in a similar place, you
say, Well, what makes medifferent? Why? Why should I
kind of do something differentabout it? Um, so, yeah. I mean,
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that's pretty much whathappened, right? I think just
life kept moving for me.
So how did you first have aninkling that you should be doing
something else, or what? Whathappened that made you start
that change? Yeah,I think for me, it was very
much. It was personal, right?
Where I started, you know, aftermy first daughter, I talk about
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this a lot, but I had postpartumdepression with my first
daughter, and that was probablylike a bit of a spark of like
something's like, off, right,something. But again, it was
first time, mom, again, you'rekind of like, well, is this just
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what you're feeling, you know,is this just like what the
experience is like? And then,you know, and then eventually
you find yourself, right? That'skind of what it was. And then,
you know, I kind of startedgetting into therapy, which I
had done before, and then Ifigured, like, Okay, I need to
keep up with it something. Istill need to talk through
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certain things that I feel likeare blocking me. And therapy, I
think at that time in my lifewas really great, and it got me
to a certain point, but then Ifelt like I just, like,
plateaued, and I wasn't reallygoing anywhere else, and the
problems or the blocks that Ihad were still existing in my
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life, right? So some change, butnot enough to really say, oh,
there's been this hugetransformation, or I've overcome
something. Years go by, I havemy second kid. We're in the
middle of covid. I mean, Iliterally had her at the start
of covid. It was in,oh, that's hard. That
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was really tough, because,again, I got postpartum, and the
fact that the whole world wasisolated made it probably 10
times worse. And that was when Ireally thought, because things
were really bad then, thenthings got bad for me, and I
felt like something has tochange here, and what I've been
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doing is not working, and that'swhat really pushed me to bigger,
like, find something else. And Iremember my husband saying,
Well, why don't you just, like,try to do the things that you
like or that you enjoy? And Ithought that was such a silly
and also, like such a simplething to say, because it almost
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sounds so obvious, like, whywouldn't you do the things that
you enjoy? But when you'rewrapped up in kids and, you
know, the whole world is fallingapart, you just don't think
about that. That'sa very supportive, lovely thing
to say. I really like that.
Yeah, yeah, it was, itwas a very nice thing. And
that's kind of what pushed meinto astrology. And I remember,
like, as a kid, too. I alwayswas very interested. I never
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thought of it as, you know,reading my daily horoscopes and
I'm going to know, you know, ortry to predict what's going to
happen in my day, but rather asa way of understanding myself
and who I am better. And that ishow it started. I kept astrology
was almost a jumping off pointfor understanding who I was
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outside of the the traditionalmaybe the way that either I
would see myself or others mightbe perceiving me right. Because
I think we all have thesestories that we hear about
ourselves and vice versa, andthat was really astrology helped
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me go deeper into how do myemotions, you know, what? What
are my emotional needs? How doesmy mind work? What's my ego
like, and all of these littlethings that were they were
almost validating, in a way, andthey helped me understand that,
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oh, this part of me that I thinkI've always tried to brush off
or hide or want to be differentis actually. Really a part of my
makeup, it is who I am that's sogood. I need to just embrace it.
That would to me was I was, andthen after that, I'm like, Okay,
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I need to, like, go full in. Isigned up for, like, a full
program, like, to really learnastrology. I went to an
astrology school, and I just, Isaid to myself, I'm just gonna,
I'm just gonna do it to learnabout myself. And then from
there it was, it just kind ofopened up new doorways to What
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does energy healing look like,right? I've heard about Reiki
from family members. What isthat actually like? And I did
have an experience where afriend did it to me, and I felt
just a huge emotional releasethat I received from that, and
that was so I hadn't experiencedanything like it, and it was so
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helpful at the time, where I waskeeping so many things just
stuffed in My body and notwanting to let it out. And that
was kind of how I got into intoReiki, and I really just spent
several years. I think I like tocall it a self discovery
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journey, because that's what itwas for me. So it started off
with myself before I could evenstart to think about, what does
this look like for others, orhow could this potentially help
others? And you know, you know,here we are now. Fast forward
several years, and that was whenI I just eventually took the
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courage, because it took a lotof courage, there was a lot of
fear, to leave something thatwas very comfy and something
that I knew how to do. I could Iknew how to navigate the
corporate landscape, and it tookme a while to just say, like,
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I'm gonna do, take a leap offaith and try it out.
Well, I think it worked out,right? Seems like it did.
Yeah. I mean, we're still, we'restill in it, you know? And I
think when you're when you'reoff on your own, trying to do
what you love, what reallybrings you a passion, I can say
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that every day is so is likebusy and good busy. It's like, I
realize the time go by. Yeah,that's
how I feel about the podcast. Iwork full time, and I have a
podcast. It's insane, right? Butit just makes me so happy that
even if it takes hours or happyhours, it's just different. Yes,
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when you love what you're doing,and I just feel like I share
information, it's exciting, andI learned so much from each one
of you, and it's just, I mean, Ihave a little slice of that in
my life, and I'm very grateful,but I think it's so brave to
sort of come out, like, that'swhat I'm always afraid of, is
showing how spiritual I am, andwhat I actually believe in is a
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little scary. And I'm wondering,like, did you feel that with
your family and friends likethat, you were sort of
revealing, maybe more than youhad Yeah,
I think there was a there was atime when that was I wasn't
talking about it a lot. To behonest, I would tread very
carefully with what friends Iwould share with, even what I
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would tell my my family or myparents. But then I started to
realize this is my story, and Ithink the place where I was, it
was really uncomfortable toshare, was at work, because it's
not necessarily, I mean,astrology, it's, it's a little
bit scoffed at, right? It's ait's this, woo, woo. I think if
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you don't really understand it,it can be very much seen as, you
know, what's your dailyhoroscope? And that's at all.
That's not really what it is.
Same thing with energy healing.
I think people don't trulyunderstand it unless they've
experienced it or maybe they'veread about it. But it wasn't
until, I think, a couple ofyears ago, where I just, I kept
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I just said to myself, well,worst case scenario, I you know,
they just kind of brush me off,right? And, you know, I don't
have to talk about it again, butthere were a couple people at
work that I was close with, andso I, as I was going through my
trainings, I had to find peopleto practice on. So I would say,
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like, Hey, I do this thing onthe side. Would you be willing
and open to do just a freereading. I'll just read your
chart, or whatever it was, andthat's how I started to, just
like little by little, open upabout what I was doing on the
side. And that allowed me tojust, I think, be more
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comfortable with how I wassaying it. What I was saying,
and then I would see myselfopening up even more to other
people. And eventually, I triedto find ways to bring the things
that I liked and the things thatI was into into my job, and I'll
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give one example. So was it lastyear, actually, I I had
suggested to my boss that we doa Human Design Workshop for team
building. And if you knowanything about human design, I
know a little bit it alsoincorporates astrology into its
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methodology, as with with othertechniques as well. And I
approached her with it, Ithought she I mean, I knew she
would be open to something likethis, but I wasn't so sure about
the rest of my team. Andluckily, I got the green light
from her. I was able to workwith someone who I was already
had worked with in the past, andwe created a really nice team
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building Human Design Workshop.
And that was so exciting to me,because I got to finally blend
two things, my corporate role,that I was in with something
that I liked, and then I wasable to put these two things
together. And that's that alsogot gave me more courage to say,
you know, these are the thingsthat I enjoy. I'm into this
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stuff.
So that's wonderful. Yeah, youmerged the two worlds. Plus, I'm
thinking people already likedand trusted you, so they were
ready to hear this, this otherstuff, right as part
of the workshop. Yes, yes,exactly that
was that was a cool thing. Ithink that really moved you
forward. Yeah. So tell me moreabout your your wonderful Nuna
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therapy, you work. How long didthat take to develop?
Um, it took about, I would say,well, or like, you mean, before
it even kicked off. Or, I mean,because, you know, I mean, to be
honest, I think it all. Itreally started with my self
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discovery, and then eventually Ihad this idea of, well, how
could I bring this to otherpeople? You know, I think there
are other people that are havingsimilar questions to me, that
are going through maybesomething similar, who have
tried therapy and are lookingfor just something that's
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alternative or just anadditional an additional
modality for their toolbox,because I think of all of these
things that I'm learning andcontinue to learn, as just
different methods that can helpyou eventually get to wherever
it is that you want to go. So Idon't see one as being better
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than the other. Because, to behonest, when I look at myself, I
think I've used all of them insome way, maybe not fully, maybe
just partially, but they've allled me to somewhere. So I would
say it's definitely takenseveral years, I think, from you
know, when I started my selfdiscovery journey to finally,
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you know, launching to thencontinuing to, because I was
having my side business while Iwas still in my corporate job,
and I was just balancing bothright. I was seeing clients on
the side. I was trying to domarketing and promote it while
doing a nine to five, and thatwasn't so sustainable, yeah, and
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it's, it's especially because Ihave a family, two kids.
They're, they're small, so youhave to, you know, you're not
able to do everything well, andI ended up taking a sabbatical,
which was three months. So notthat long, but something and
that sabbatical, really, Iremember thinking, I'm going to
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just focus on my business. I'mgoing to see what I can do in
three months. And again, threemonths is short, but it was a
taste of what this couldpossibly look like if I really
did it all day, every day. And Iremember going back to my
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corporate job after the threemonths, and some of my
colleagues said to me, I thoughtyou weren't coming back. And,
you know, I was a little I wasscared. I was, truth is, I was
scared of, what if it doesn'twork, what if, you know, I would
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be losing i. My salary I wouldjust not have. And that was
scary. And I thought, well,maybe I can continue to balance
it. Maybe I can continue tojuggle and just but I quickly
noticed that that wasn't thatwasn't true. And then I quickly
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also noticed that my motivationhad significantly declined at
work, like I just couldn't evendo the basics. And that's when I
felt like I was being completelyinauthentic at my regular at my
corporate job, and I had to dosomething about that.
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Still really hard, you know,like to give up the whole thing.
It was, I mean, it was reallyhard for sure,
yeah, but I think you that'sreally good. You noticed, and
you were honest with yourself,because some people would just
stay at their job, even if itfelt inauthentic. So it's good
that you you were honest withyourself.
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Yeah. I mean, I had a couple ofconversations with with friends
and people, and you know, it waslike, well, can't you just, you
know, well, you know what, ifyou just mailed it in or what?
And that's not, it's not mypersonality, and I, you're
not a mail it in kind of person.
No, I could tell that, yeah, no,I couldn't. And because I felt
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like I was mailing it in, youknow, and, and so it wasn't, you
know, I wasn't contributing asmuch as I knew that I could, and
that I've I had in the past. Andso, yeah, I just figured, you
know, I, of course, I had to doit with support, right? I am
very grateful that I had thesupport of my family to say,
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like, just do it. You know,we're going to take the leap of
faith. Focus on your business,growing it, whatever it takes to
get it to a place where you feelcomfortable. And you know, I'm
in that right now, and it's, Ifeel so happy, and like I said,
I'm like, immensely grateful forthe opportunity to do that. And,
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yeah, that'sso good. And I love that you're
telling that story here, andthat you continue to tell that
story, because people getinspired. You never know who's
listening, and maybe they'reafraid to step out, and so they
hear that somebody did, eventhough they were afraid too. And
it worked out. It's a greatinspirational story, like it
reminds people you can do this.
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You can follow your heart.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Idefinitely, you know, I think
you have to, you have to followyour heart. And it also takes
some, it takes planning, ittakes reflection. It takes, you
know, there's some prep workinvolved, right? And in terms
of, how is it actually going towork, right? And I think you
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have to be honest with yourselfabout those really hard
questions, which is, you know,can you, you know, how, how long
can you go without income comingin? Or, you know, I think you
have to get really practical.
There's this, like, there's thehigh level, passionate side of
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you know what it is that youwant to do, and I think that's
really exciting, because I'm acontent creator, so I like to
create things and but then thethe more earthy side, which is
like, Alright, let's get thenuts and bolts, the practical
that's also so important tofocus on, especially when you're
getting ready to take that leap.
That'sa really good point. You have to
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be realistic. Yes, so tell usjust a little bit more about
Nuna therapy, because it's,it's, tell me what it means. Oh
yeah, thename means, I love the name and
what it means.
So Nuna means soul in Kichwa,and Kichwa is an indigenous
language from the Andes, so itreally comes from my background.
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My mom is from Ecuador. My dad'sfrom Croatia. But my mother's
side of the family, we have,surprisingly, lots of healers
and people that are really intospirituality and energy healing.
And I think growing up, it wassomething that I was surrounded
by, but I didn't really noticeor understand it until much,
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much later, and once I startedto connect with my own
spirituality, and I started toreally dive into all things
energy, healing andconsciousness, and it started to
make sense. And then I, youknow, I, I sometimes think to
myself, is this a part of ourlineage? Like, what's, what's
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the connection here?
Yeah, they say, they say shamansare definitely tend to. Be in,
in a lineage, it's reallyinteresting to me. Yeah,
exactly.
So, so, yeah, that's, that'spretty much, you know, it means
soul. And to me, I think thework that we have to do is
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really within and that's why Ilike this idea of talking about
our soul, there's so much thatwe keep hidden or that we
haven't uncovered aboutourselves, and that's just, I
don't think it's intentional. Ijust think that it's, you know,
life, a lot of times, causes usto keep things stuck or or
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stuffed down, because we have tokeep moving forward, and we
don't give ourselves enough timeto reflect. And so through my
work, and through the differentmodalities that I've that I've
learned, and I find that Icontinue learning, because
that's the only thing my my maingoal is always to serve the
client and the different clientsthat I see come for for
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different reasons. It could bejust stress, it can be anxiety,
it could be just somethingdeeper. And I think that
sometimes people don't reallyeven realize that there's a
deeper issue. Sometimes peoplecome in for stress, and it so
happens that there's grief fromyears ago that they actually
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never dealt with, right? Andthen you don't realize why you
have this block in your heartchakra or in your chest. And so
we can start to uncover some ofthese things. And that's why I
like to use Reiki. I like to useastrology. I'm getting into
tapping, you know, I'm reallyfascinated with the subconscious
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and how it works, and so Ireally just tried and sound
frequencies. I like to use mytuning forks in my Reiki
sessions, because I'm trying tofind ways to help my clients
really get over some of theirlimiting beliefs, because that
is oftentimes what keeps us fromreaching our full potential or
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embracing, you know, that personthat is always there, right? The
soul doesn't change. We are likethe soul is continues to stay
the same, right? We just occupya human body. So if you can get
back to that core, root self,that's kind of what I'm
interested in, and helpingpeople with
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it must be so fascinating,because people are so they're
all so different, and they'reall so fascinating, right? And
you don't always know whatyou're going to uncover. So what
can you just take us through?
Like, maybe how you would starta session? Like, what for those
of us who aren't that familiarwith Reiki or or pulling in
astrology, or even, you know,the sound frequency, like, how
does it go?
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Yeah, yeah. So for, typically,for a Reiki session, what I like
to do is I always like to startit off with some breathing,
because the breathing reallyhelps to just relax us. It helps
to write people come in from theend of a work day, or maybe
they're rushing right there.
They're they're late, they're afew minutes late, and they're
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rushing. They were caught intraffic, whatever it was, you're
coming into a space, and now youneed to get in touch with your
body. You need to get present.
And so I always like to startoff with a couple rounds of
breaths, and then I always havesome music playing in the
background, and we go into theReiki, and the Reiki itself,
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oftentimes will help to relaxthe person, and that is the
goal, is that they get to areally relaxed, almost
meditative state. I've havepeople sleeping on the table a
lot of times, because when theirbody is fully relaxed, that's
when healing can truly happen,when their energy can get
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balanced and and realigned. Andfor those that don't know Reiki
that well, it is really, it isworking with energy. And as a
practitioner, what you're doingis you're not really, it's not
about transferring energy fromone person to the other, but
it's rather just thepractitioner helps to realign
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the energy in a person's body,and we can find that in certain
energy centers or in certainplaces in our body, We can have
blocks, and that can easily befelt by just your hands. It can
feel for a practitioner, it canfeel sometimes like a cold spot,
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or it can feel like heat or somesort of like a tingling
vibration. And that can be asignal that that's an area that
needs to get worked on. And inaddition to whatever the client
might share in advance, it couldbe like, Oh, I have headaches,
or I have trouble sleeping, orwhatever the case is, and and
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then we spend the next, youknow, 45 to 60 minutes, it would
be me really focusing in on thatparticular area or different
areas of the body, and we usespecific we call them keys in in
Reiki, that are that are veryspecific for certain things. So
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it could be for physicalconditions, it could be for
emotional ones, mental ones,whatever is going on again with
the client, and I'll use thesound frequencies or the tuning
forks whenever I find that it'sneeded. And tuning forks,
they'll get activated, and theyget put next to the client's
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ears so that the sound can getheard, and that sound frequency
actually helps the client alsowith their energy and getting it
realigned to whatever frequencyit needs to be at to be at a
balanced state, like when I havethe tuning forks when I play
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them. Oftentimes, some of myclients will say, Oh, that's I
felt, you know, it'll be abouttheir ear, but they'll feel a
tingling sensation, you know, atthe bottom of their spine, or
they'll feel something right atthe top of their head. So that
essentially is telling me that,you know, it's activating
certain areas in their body.
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So interesting, it's really allenergy, though, isn't it the
sound and the the waves and whatyou're how you're healing,
feeling the energy, it's just sointeresting.
Yeah, yeah, it is. It really is.
I recently did have a Reikisession. I hadn't had one
before, and one of the thingsshe said was, I, she was, she
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started the session similarly,like, trying to get us relaxed.
And she, you know, she and me,and she pushed down on my
shoulders like, and just keptpushing like, I didn't think my
shoulders could go down thatlow. And she said that I had
been carrying so much of otherpeople's energy, and that I'm
the kind of person that's takenon too much of other people's
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energy. And I just thought, ofcourse, I am, you know, like
that just rang so true. And Ireally wish that we had been
exposed to these modalities whenI was much younger. I could have
avoided a lot of taking on apeople's energy. I'm just, you
know, I just absorb people'ssadness, or, you know, anger or
whatever, like I'm one of thosepeople. And I just thought it
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was so cool that she couldidentify that right away. Didn't
know me, you know, I just knew,just felt it. And so I'm a
believer. I just really had awonderful session, and I felt so
much lighter when I got out ofthere.
Yeah, that's, that's probablyone of the, one of those key
words i that i I've experiencedmyself, and I hear other people
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say is that they feel lighterwhen they even get up off the
table, right? Because we come inwith a lot, and then we not only
are we relaxed, we just kind ofexperienced, you know, a 60
minute relaxing session, butthen on top of that there, it's
just like this weight has kindof just been shedded and, yeah,
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that's one of the common thingsthat I hear with Reiki. I mean,
what's interesting is, like,once you really start to
understand the different partsof the body, and they all mean
something different, right? Imean, shoulders, as you said, is
very much about carrying thingsright. It's like this burdening
that we have right. A lot oftimes, anything related to the
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legs or the knees can be aboutmoving forward. It could be
about flexibility with certainthings. You know, then we start
to go into the energy centers orthe chakras, which I know are
talked about sometimes in yoga,but they also mean different
things, and we store differentemotions in different parts of
our body. So the base of thespine can be where we store
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fear, or right below our bellybutton is where we have guilt,
you know. So these are differentso when I start to feel certain,
certain sensations. I'll thensometimes have a conversation
with my client, right where Iask, I start to ask questions.
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What, what do you think isblocked in this area? Or do you
have any feelings of guilt orfear or shame, you know, and we
can actually go deeper that way.
So that's another thing that Ilike to do in my session, is it
can be, I always like to askpeople what is their main
objective with the Reikisession, if it is pure
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relaxation, you have stress,nothing else is going on in your
life. That's. The only thing youjust want to feel lighter. We
could completely do that, andthat's a different kind of
session. But if there issomething that you're actually
trying to overcome, some sort ofa trauma, or there's a block
that you haven't been able toget rid of, those sessions
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involve a lot more talking,because it's more of a dialog
between the both of us, where Iask questions and then the
client will respond if they feelcomfortable with whatever it is
they want to share. And that'swhen we start to peel back the
onion of you know, yes, it is X,Y or Z, or I'm having a memory
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come up from when I was a kid,and this is what happened. And
then we kind of go deeper thatway.
So that's very therapeutic whenyou when you start digging like
that, and the person can come tothat realization that there's
something there. Because, likeyou said, sometimes it's
unconscious and you just don'teven know until you start poking
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the bear, as it were, you don'treally know you know you or you
just you're not awareexactly. And I think one of the
things that I also like to pointout is that with Reiki, it's a
two way street. It is. It's alot about, you know, the client
comes in and they want to feelbetter, and in my my job and my
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role is to help facilitate thehealing.
I was getting that word, right?
Facilitator? Yeah, definitely.
I'm the facilitatorin that session and in that
process. However, when thatperson goes home, right? You,
they have to realize thatthey're also going back to the
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life that or the routine, right?
If they come in for stress, andthat's the one thing they want
to get rid of, then, then it'simportant that they change
something in their life, right?
So in a Reiki healing session,it's not going to like all
stress is going to disappearfrom their life. So it's
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important that they also realizethat for them to continue the
healing journey, there is, and Ioften give homework to my
clients. It could be so good,yeah, it could be something as
easy as here's a link to ameditation that you need to
listen to, you know, once a day,or whatever I prescribe, but I
try to give really practicaltools that people can go home
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with, that they could do ontheir own. And it could be a
sound frequency, it could besomething that they or
affirmation or journalingexercise or just something,
because I always think that wehave the answer to the our
problem, right? I don't have it.
No one else does. You're theonly person that truly knows
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your story, your journey, yourexperiences, and so my goal with
the Reiki is also to help peopleuncover and help them see either
the problem or help themdiscover the solution to
whatever their challenge is. Soit's
just the beginning. The sessionis really just the beginning,
right? You've got to makechanges based on what you
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learned. Yeah, that's sointeresting. Thanks for telling
us that. Because, I mean, I'veonly had one session, and some
people don't really know aboutit, so it's good to Yeah, we had
you talk about it now. Can youtell me just a little bit more
about what constitutes Nunatherapy? Like? What? What is
that? Is that different from theReiki, or is that a combo?
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Oh, I don't know if I understandthe question,
well, I know that you named it.
After several years, youdeveloped something called Nuna
therapy, right?
Well, Nuna therapy is the, justthe name of the business, okay,
I thought itwas, I thought it was. That's
when you got to the point whereyou knew that you could offer
these sessions. And yes, I lovethe you know, I love that name,
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so I had to bring it up again.
And I love this in an indigenouslanguage. I'm I'm super into
shamanism and indigenouscultures, so that's kind of an
obsession of mine. So when Iknew that that was a language in
your family, I was like, Oh, Ilove this. Yeah, it's an
obsession. And it's funny, we'retalking about things that we
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were exposed to as a as a child,and sort of, sort of noticing
them, but not maybe taking themas seriously, maybe when you're
little. And I took a shamaniccourse with somebody who did
Celtic shamanism, and she's asixth generation druid.
Literally, it's a lineage, andshe was, it really made me
jealous, because she was raisedbeing taught by her grandfather,
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and I've thought so much aboutbecause that's my my lip, my
background is, I'm got a lot ofCeltic and so that class was
just like ringing bells from youknow, it was very experiential,
too. I did a lot of journeyingand stuff, and I thought. How
different my life would be if Ihad had a teacher when I was
young, because I took me so longto sort of like you, to uncover
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it and to admit that it's partof me, and to learn about it.
And you know, it makes you thinklike how people used to be
raised. They were raised inthese traditions, and they were
taught about the soul and aboutjust the need to meditate and
take time and and rituals thatpeople used to do together. You
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know, I think we're missingsomething in our modern world.
We don't. That's why I'm soattracted to shamanism, because
I think it's I love psychology.
I've gone to therapists. I get alot out of that, but I shamanism
is an older psychology. To me,it's 1000s of years old. It's
the same all over the world.
It's very, very similar thekinds of things that people do
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in those rituals. And so, yeah,they they work like, to me,
they're just old psychology, youknow, like, just really good,
proven ways that people gettogether and help each other
heal. And so when I hear youtalk about what you do, that's
what it reminds me of, somethingthat's time tested, something
that works on that other level,that wonderful unconscious soul
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level that people might notalways be aware of. And I just
think, you know, modern societyis great, but it needs a dose of
this kind of stuff. Like,I think it's, I think, I really
think that it is the fact thatwe're not as connected to our
bodies, to even just nature orMother Earth. There's we've
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definitely lost something there.
And it's, it's interesting,because I feel like we're at a
time where we're starting tocome back to it, right? It's
like, started there, wecompletely abandoned it, and you
are finding that we're nowstarting to come back to it. And
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it could also be the circlesthat I run in, because I'm very
much into this, right? So I seeit all, yeah,
but I think in general, peopleare more sensitive to it. And I
see just looking on socialmedia, people are posting things
about connecting with animalsand spending time in nature. And
what I really love is whenpeople have science backed
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evidence that spending time innature, literally, de stresses
you and helps you feel better,and, you know, makes you just
calmer. And so when they say,there's scientific reason people
pay attention, and I love that,because I never lost my
connection to nature. I'vealways been plugged in, and it
made me like a weirdo. When Iwas I was a child, I would go
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into the forest, and I would siton this big rock behind my
house, and I would sing to thefairies because, yeah, they were
there. I never saw them, but Ifelt them. And my mother was
really cool about it, like sheshe just thought I was cool,
but, Imean, I never talked about it,
you know, with my friends, and Inever admitted it. And my father
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was super into nature, and so Iwas raised, and I was raised in
the country, so I think I reallywas lucky, because it was always
it was always there, but I thinka lot of people do need to get
back, you know, they need toplug back in. I see that a lot.
It's very tough when you're notconnected that way.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, right nowI'm I'm taking a course to
learn. I'm learning how to teachspirituality and energy healing
to children, and I'm so excitedabout this, and I'm looking
forward to really being able tolaunch some sort of a program
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for it, because I find, evenwith my own kids, how, you know,
they they see me doing this,right? They're, they're always
playing around with my crystals.
Or they're, you know, I'm doingtuning forks on them. And so
they're a little bit used to momdoing these types of things,
right? Or I talk about my Reikisessions and but I know that,
you know, I did a kids Mooncircle at the beginning of this
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year, and it was my first timedoing it. But I really the kids
had such a great time, and theyreally opened up, and we did a
ritual to let go of emotionsthat were, you know, kind of
keeping us blocked, or thatwe're stuck in our bodies. And
afterwards, I remember some ofthe moms telling me, oh my, my
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kids said that they're nothaving that bad dream anymore
because she let go of the ofthat emotion that you know in
your ritual, or someone elsesaid, oh my, my kids starting to
journal now after that session.
And you know, that really lit meup so much, and I thought, I
have to do something with kids.
So, yeah, so that's, that's thenext thing I'm working on. I'm
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so gladyou're doing that. Because
really, if you start them thatway, and they and they get. Into
those healthy sort of selfawareness rituals and taking
care of themselves. It'll beeasier later. And I just think
it's great. That's a wonderfulthing to do, and they are so
much more open, yes, lesscracking open, I would imagine
less less blocking when you'reyoung.
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It really comes down toawareness that That, to me, is
the big thing, if you can be somuch more aware of a sensation
that you have in your body, of athought that you have in your
mind, right? How often do wetalk ourselves out of our gut?
So, yeah, not taught to do trustthe body. We're just taught to
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trust the mind. And I'm notsaying the mind is not good. The
mind is there for a reason, andwe also should supposed to use
it, but we're not as in touchwith our body. And so that's, I
think, one of the most importantthings that we can learn is
just, what are we truly feeling?
What's that sensation? What doesit mean? So, yeah,
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that's wonderful. Is thereanything that we didn't talk
about that you'd like to makesure we share?
I don't think so. I mean, Ididn't talk too much about the
about astrology, but it's just,you know, I think one of the
other things that I do withastrology is that it's just, you
know, I find that energyhealing, at least with the
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people that I clients, that Iseen, people I work with, is
that very much people come inbecause they're having a
physical challenge or some sortof a physical issue, and at the
end of the day, we all want tofeel better. We all want to be
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happy. That's kind of the theage old thing that we all want
to do, and that's why I see somany more clients when it comes
to energy healing and Reiki,astrology, I think, though, is,
I think it can be anafterthought, and I don't know
if people fully understand orappreciate the depth that it can
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really provide, especially whenit comes to just understanding
yourself better. And what I'llsay about that is that we often
live our life based on eithersomeone else's stories about us,
and those stories have beeningrained in us that we've then
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created a story based off ofthat story. And what I mean by
that is that you know, if yourparents or your friends keep
telling you something aboutyourself. It could be, Oh,
you're so smart, or oh you're sowhatever. That becomes almost
your identity, in a way. Andit's really hard, after years
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and years of being told the samething, to get rid of it. And so
you feed into that story, and itbecomes yours, right? And it
keeps going on and on. And Ithink what's beautiful about
astrology is that you reallybegin to dig into who is the
authentic version of yourself?
Is this story actually real, oris there another part of you?
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And when you start to dig intothat, that's when you really
begin to uncover, oh, I think Iremember that part of me when I
was a kid, the part of me thatused to love whatever to be
creative, the part of me thatalways cried, but I was told
that I was too emotional and Ineed to get over it, whatever it
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is, and That allows you, onceyou realize it's who you are,
you can embrace it, and then youcan figure out, how do you deal
with it, right? You know,because there are extremes with
everything. There's an extremeto being too emotional, there's
an extreme to being, you know,too creative, and then it's
about finding that rightbalance. And that's what I think
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Astrology can really help peoplefind and it helps to give you
validation. It helps you tofigure out, where do I need to
focus more energy on? Whereshould I, you know, or what can
I embrace? Where do I need toset boundaries? Things like
that.
That's wonderful. You know,you're speaking my language
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stories. And, yeah, exactly. I'msort of fascinated with that.
I've always been interested infamily myths and how our family
defines us, right? And I thinkthat's such a beautiful
experience that you take peoplethrough, like, take a look at
what you think you are, youknow. And we, I took a
mindfulness class that was howto podcast, but also mindfulness
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with Kathy Heller. And she said,What did you like to do when
you were eight years old?
What was your favorite thing?
Who were you and what would shesay to you? What would your
eight year old self say? And itwas just such a wonderful
exercise, becauseyou're right. A
lot of times we're just. Uh,absorbing what people say about
us and incorporating it, andjust that whole idea that maybe
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it's time to let some of thatgo. And that's very powerful.
Plus, you know, once you're yourauthentic self, you can offer
the world the gifts that thatonly you came with. That's my
whole thing, is like, if you'renot being everything you can be
who you really are. Yeah,you're, you know, what's the
point? I mean, you have thingsto offer the world, even even in
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a small circle, right? You wantto be yourself. And that's a
beautiful that's the beautifulidea behind just becoming more
your authentic self.
It's very powerful, too.
I love that you're doing that. Ilove your work, as if you
couldn't tell so your yourwebsite is www.nunatherapy.com,
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right, yeah. And you can sign upfor a newsletter. There
is that? Did I see that? Yeah,yeah, definitely good.
Is there anywhere, anywhere elsewe can get in touch with you?
Would you like to give us yourInstagram or,
yeah, I mean, you can find me onInstagram, Tiktok, Facebook,
YouTube, it's they're all neweverywhere. I'm I'm everywhere.
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Good,I'll put all that in the show
notes, but I like to give you ashout out if I can. Okay, good,
yeah. Thank you so much. Ilearned. I just learned so much,
very, very interesting. And Ithink your work helps a lot of
people, and I think it helps tohear about it. I think maybe
people might seek out sessions,you know, they might realize
that it might be for them. Sothat's great,
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yeah, yeah. I mean, I hope so,right? I think a lot of times
when you start to get into thisplace, you can think a lot of
this is just like, you know, Ilike to use the word Woo, woo,
but that's how it getsportrayed. And it's definitely a
lot more than that, if you giveyourself the time to really just
explore it. And you know, evenif you try it and it doesn't
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work for you, because you haveto find what resonates with you,
and not everything is going towork for you, and that's okay
too, right? This isn't foreveryone, but if this calls your
attention, or you've, you know,keep thinking about it, then
there might be something there.
So it's like the story that youtold about the shamanism, or
even, like your Celtic roots.
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And I would say, explore it. Doit. If it interests you, just do
it.
What's that wonderful Rumiquotation? Right? It's like
that, that that which you areseeking is seeking you exactly
that pull. You have to trustthat pull. Oh, yeah, and I
don't, I think what's sofascinating about all this is
like, you're helping peopleremember that these are
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important things, and thosethings are sort of discounted as
you grow up and you're gettingall practical, and you go and
find a job, and you, like yousaid, it's easy to just shush
those things into Oh, well, youknow, whatever that I'm I'm
interested in that, but that'snot important right Now, but,
but you're saying it is like,you know, what we're pulled
towards, what what we enjoy, isimportant?
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Yeah, definitely. And, and thatgoes back to kind of the
beginning of my story, which is,you know, when I started off
with that astrology class, itwas the thing I was pulled to.
And, I mean, it's, it's led mehere, so I can only be grateful
for thatand how cool that you followed
it. Yes.
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So I would encourage everyone tofollow the thing that they're
pulled to, even if it seemsweird and strange, just do it,
which you really never knowwhere.
Yeah, it might, it might seemstrange. I mean, that's okay,
yeah, but it's really not Yeahexactly.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, thank you. You
Hello and welcome to the storied human. Today I have
a really interesting guest,Annabelle tonkovic, she's a
quantum Reiki master andastrologer. She developed
something called Nuna therapy,but she wasn't always a quantum
Reiki master and astrologyastrologer. She has her time in
the corporate world, and we'regoing to hear about how she
discovered that she needed tomake that transition as we get
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to know her. So welcome,Annabelle. It's really great to
have you.
Yeah, thank you so much. I'mexcited to be here, and I'm
cracking up about oursimilarities. Before we started
this interview, we realized wecrossed paths, or, you know, you
went to the same college as mydaughter and I lived where you
grew up, and it was crazy. Yeah,yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a
serious, like, six degrees ofseparation, right? And, like,
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connection, right? So, cool, socool.
I don't usually have that, sothat was fun. So why don't you
start me out with, I know thatyour journey involved. You know,
you got out of college and youfelt like, I have to have a job
now, and where did what kind ofjob did you end up in? How did
you start? Yeah,it's funny. I mean, I think as a
(01:31):
kid, I always had this drive towork, and I think it was really
around I wanted to make my ownmoney. I didn't want to depend
on anyone else. I wanted it tobe all mine. And even in high
school, like I needed to havesome kind of a job. And I
remember my parents saying, butyou have to keep your grades up
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schools first. And I'm like,that'll be fine. Don't worry.
I'm sure I'll I'll do fine. So Ialways tried to have a job. And
so after college, it was thennext logical step. It was like,
So, what's the next thing? And Ialways interred in college, and
then I started off at arelatively small company in the
biotech healthcare industry. AndI, you know, just kind of very
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natural progression. Graduated,got a full time role, and before
I knew it, I was there 10 years,close to 10 years.
So goes fast, it does it goes byso fast, and I studied
communication, and that's what Iended up doing in in the
corporate world. I was, I'vealways been in communication,
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specifically internal, dealingwith employee emails, the
intranet, employee engagement,doing events, things like that.
And, you know, I never reallyquestioned it. I was just like
in the daily grind, which iswhat happens. You get in this
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routine of your nine to five,you have an hour drive home, you
wake up and you do it again, andyou use your weekends to kind of
replenish, and then thecontinues. And before you know
it, many years can go by, but II remember that there were
several moments along thisjourney when I would have this
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feeling of, I'm just notsatisfied. There's something
here that's missing for me,either the job is wrong, right,
and maybe I just need to go findanother job in also in
corporate, but just change thename, right? Like, go find
somewhere else, or maybe I'm inthe wrong profession and role.
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But there is a bit of like, oh,do I go back to school? Like, do
I take up a certification? Like,what does that really mean? So I
just always had, there wassomething like, I wasn't sure
what it was, but something waslike, deep down, was like, this
is just doesn't feel right. Butwhen you're in your 20s, you
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don't do much about that, right?
You could have the feeling, andthen life continues, because you
have other familyresponsibilities, you get
married, you have children, youmove right. There are these huge
life transitions that also, in away, cause you to want more
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security when it comes to yourjob. So then this desire that
you might have for somethingdifferent, you kind of push
aside because you say toyourself, well, other things in
my life are moving in the rightdirection, so the job can kind
of stay where it is. So that's alittle bit of I would say, my my
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corporate backstory, yeah,and it's so true we. Talk
ourselves into staying where weare because it's safe and
secure. And I think peoplearound us sometimes say, Well,
everyone feels like that alittle bit. But look at what you
have, you know, and you sort ofget lulled into sticking with
the status quo. It's easy tohave happen
(05:17):
exactly, exactly, yeah, and Ithink, I think that is the story
that we tell ourselves. Is,well, you know, this is kind of
it. This is how it is. And whenthen you when you say it that
way, or you hear other peoplekind of in a similar place, you
say, Well, what makes medifferent? Why? Why should I
kind of do something differentabout it? Um, so, yeah. I mean,
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that's pretty much whathappened, right? I think just
life kept moving for me.
So how did you first have aninkling that you should be doing
something else, or what? Whathappened that made you start
that change? Yeah,I think for me, it was very
much. It was personal, right?
Where I started, you know, aftermy first daughter, I talk about
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this a lot, but I had postpartumdepression with my first
daughter, and that was probablylike a bit of a spark of like
something's like, off, right,something. But again, it was
first time, mom, again, you'rekind of like, well, is this just
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what you're feeling, you know,is this just like what the
experience is like? And then,you know, and then eventually
you find yourself, right? That'skind of what it was. And then,
you know, I kind of startedgetting into therapy, which I
had done before, and then Ifigured, like, Okay, I need to
keep up with it something. Istill need to talk through
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certain things that I feel likeare blocking me. And therapy, I
think at that time in my lifewas really great, and it got me
to a certain point, but then Ifelt like I just, like,
plateaued, and I wasn't reallygoing anywhere else, and the
problems or the blocks that Ihad were still existing in my
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life, right? So some change, butnot enough to really say, oh,
there's been this hugetransformation, or I've overcome
something. Years go by, I havemy second kid. We're in the
middle of covid. I mean, Iliterally had her at the start
of covid. It was in,oh, that's hard. That
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was really tough, because,again, I got postpartum, and the
fact that the whole world wasisolated made it probably 10
times worse. And that was when Ireally thought, because things
were really bad then, thenthings got bad for me, and I
felt like something has tochange here, and what I've been
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doing is not working, and that'swhat really pushed me to bigger,
like, find something else. And Iremember my husband saying,
Well, why don't you just, like,try to do the things that you
like or that you enjoy? And Ithought that was such a silly
and also, like such a simplething to say, because it almost
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sounds so obvious, like, whywouldn't you do the things that
you enjoy? But when you'rewrapped up in kids and, you
know, the whole world is fallingapart, you just don't think
about that. That'sa very supportive, lovely thing
to say. I really like that.
Yeah, yeah, it was, itwas a very nice thing. And
that's kind of what pushed meinto astrology. And I remember,
like, as a kid, too. I alwayswas very interested. I never
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thought of it as, you know,reading my daily horoscopes and
I'm going to know, you know, ortry to predict what's going to
happen in my day, but rather asa way of understanding myself
and who I am better. And that ishow it started. I kept astrology
was almost a jumping off pointfor understanding who I was
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outside of the the traditionalmaybe the way that either I
would see myself or others mightbe perceiving me right. Because
I think we all have thesestories that we hear about
ourselves and vice versa, andthat was really astrology helped
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me go deeper into how do myemotions, you know, what? What
are my emotional needs? How doesmy mind work? What's my ego
like, and all of these littlethings that were they were
almost validating, in a way, andthey helped me understand that,
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oh, this part of me that I thinkI've always tried to brush off
or hide or want to be differentis actually. Really a part of my
makeup, it is who I am that's sogood. I need to just embrace it.
That would to me was I was, andthen after that, I'm like, Okay,
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I need to, like, go full in. Isigned up for, like, a full
program, like, to really learnastrology. I went to an
astrology school, and I just, Isaid to myself, I'm just gonna,
I'm just gonna do it to learnabout myself. And then from
there it was, it just kind ofopened up new doorways to What
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does energy healing look like,right? I've heard about Reiki
from family members. What isthat actually like? And I did
have an experience where afriend did it to me, and I felt
just a huge emotional releasethat I received from that, and
that was so I hadn't experiencedanything like it, and it was so
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helpful at the time, where I waskeeping so many things just
stuffed in My body and notwanting to let it out. And that
was kind of how I got into intoReiki, and I really just spent
several years. I think I like tocall it a self discovery
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journey, because that's what itwas for me. So it started off
with myself before I could evenstart to think about, what does
this look like for others, orhow could this potentially help
others? And you know, you know,here we are now. Fast forward
several years, and that was whenI I just eventually took the
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courage, because it took a lotof courage, there was a lot of
fear, to leave something thatwas very comfy and something
that I knew how to do. I could Iknew how to navigate the
corporate landscape, and it tookme a while to just say, like,
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I'm gonna do, take a leap offaith and try it out.
Well, I think it worked out,right? Seems like it did.
Yeah. I mean, we're still, we'restill in it, you know? And I
think when you're when you'reoff on your own, trying to do
what you love, what reallybrings you a passion, I can say
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that every day is so is likebusy and good busy. It's like, I
realize the time go by. Yeah,that's
how I feel about the podcast. Iwork full time, and I have a
podcast. It's insane, right? Butit just makes me so happy that
even if it takes hours or happyhours, it's just different. Yes,
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when you love what you're doing,and I just feel like I share
information, it's exciting, andI learned so much from each one
of you, and it's just, I mean, Ihave a little slice of that in
my life, and I'm very grateful,but I think it's so brave to
sort of come out, like, that'swhat I'm always afraid of, is
showing how spiritual I am, andwhat I actually believe in is a
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little scary. And I'm wondering,like, did you feel that with
your family and friends likethat, you were sort of
revealing, maybe more than youhad Yeah,
I think there was a there was atime when that was I wasn't
talking about it a lot. To behonest, I would tread very
carefully with what friends Iwould share with, even what I
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would tell my my family or myparents. But then I started to
realize this is my story, and Ithink the place where I was, it
was really uncomfortable toshare, was at work, because it's
not necessarily, I mean,astrology, it's, it's a little
bit scoffed at, right? It's ait's this, woo, woo. I think if
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you don't really understand it,it can be very much seen as, you
know, what's your dailyhoroscope? And that's at all.
That's not really what it is.
Same thing with energy healing.
I think people don't trulyunderstand it unless they've
experienced it or maybe they'veread about it. But it wasn't
until, I think, a couple ofyears ago, where I just, I kept
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I just said to myself, well,worst case scenario, I you know,
they just kind of brush me off,right? And, you know, I don't
have to talk about it again, butthere were a couple people at
work that I was close with, andso I, as I was going through my
trainings, I had to find peopleto practice on. So I would say,
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like, Hey, I do this thing onthe side. Would you be willing
and open to do just a freereading. I'll just read your
chart, or whatever it was, andthat's how I started to, just
like little by little, open upabout what I was doing on the
side. And that allowed me tojust, I think, be more
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comfortable with how I wassaying it. What I was saying,
and then I would see myselfopening up even more to other
people. And eventually, I triedto find ways to bring the things
that I liked and the things thatI was into into my job, and I'll
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give one example. So was it lastyear, actually, I I had
suggested to my boss that we doa Human Design Workshop for team
building. And if you knowanything about human design, I
know a little bit it alsoincorporates astrology into its
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methodology, as with with othertechniques as well. And I
approached her with it, Ithought she I mean, I knew she
would be open to something likethis, but I wasn't so sure about
the rest of my team. Andluckily, I got the green light
from her. I was able to workwith someone who I was already
had worked with in the past, andwe created a really nice team
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building Human Design Workshop.
And that was so exciting to me,because I got to finally blend
two things, my corporate role,that I was in with something
that I liked, and then I wasable to put these two things
together. And that's that alsogot gave me more courage to say,
you know, these are the thingsthat I enjoy. I'm into this
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stuff.
So that's wonderful. Yeah, youmerged the two worlds. Plus, I'm
thinking people already likedand trusted you, so they were
ready to hear this, this otherstuff, right as part
of the workshop. Yes, yes,exactly that
was that was a cool thing. Ithink that really moved you
forward. Yeah. So tell me moreabout your your wonderful Nuna
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therapy, you work. How long didthat take to develop?
Um, it took about, I would say,well, or like, you mean, before
it even kicked off. Or, I mean,because, you know, I mean, to be
honest, I think it all. Itreally started with my self
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discovery, and then eventually Ihad this idea of, well, how
could I bring this to otherpeople? You know, I think there
are other people that are havingsimilar questions to me, that
are going through maybesomething similar, who have
tried therapy and are lookingfor just something that's
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alternative or just anadditional an additional
modality for their toolbox,because I think of all of these
things that I'm learning andcontinue to learn, as just
different methods that can helpyou eventually get to wherever
it is that you want to go. So Idon't see one as being better
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than the other. Because, to behonest, when I look at myself, I
think I've used all of them insome way, maybe not fully, maybe
just partially, but they've allled me to somewhere. So I would
say it's definitely takenseveral years, I think, from you
know, when I started my selfdiscovery journey to finally,
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you know, launching to thencontinuing to, because I was
having my side business while Iwas still in my corporate job,
and I was just balancing bothright. I was seeing clients on
the side. I was trying to domarketing and promote it while
doing a nine to five, and thatwasn't so sustainable, yeah, and
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it's, it's especially because Ihave a family, two kids.
They're, they're small, so youhave to, you know, you're not
able to do everything well, andI ended up taking a sabbatical,
which was three months. So notthat long, but something and
that sabbatical, really, Iremember thinking, I'm going to
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just focus on my business. I'mgoing to see what I can do in
three months. And again, threemonths is short, but it was a
taste of what this couldpossibly look like if I really
did it all day, every day. And Iremember going back to my
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corporate job after the threemonths, and some of my
colleagues said to me, I thoughtyou weren't coming back. And,
you know, I was a little I wasscared. I was, truth is, I was
scared of, what if it doesn'twork, what if, you know, I would
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be losing i. My salary I wouldjust not have. And that was
scary. And I thought, well,maybe I can continue to balance
it. Maybe I can continue tojuggle and just but I quickly
noticed that that wasn't thatwasn't true. And then I quickly
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also noticed that my motivationhad significantly declined at
work, like I just couldn't evendo the basics. And that's when I
felt like I was being completelyinauthentic at my regular at my
corporate job, and I had to dosomething about that.
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Still really hard, you know,like to give up the whole thing.
It was, I mean, it was reallyhard for sure,
yeah, but I think you that'sreally good. You noticed, and
you were honest with yourself,because some people would just
stay at their job, even if itfelt inauthentic. So it's good
that you you were honest withyourself.
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Yeah. I mean, I had a couple ofconversations with with friends
and people, and you know, it waslike, well, can't you just, you
know, well, you know what, ifyou just mailed it in or what?
And that's not, it's not mypersonality, and I, you're
not a mail it in kind of person.
No, I could tell that, yeah, no,I couldn't. And because I felt
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like I was mailing it in, youknow, and, and so it wasn't, you
know, I wasn't contributing asmuch as I knew that I could, and
that I've I had in the past. Andso, yeah, I just figured, you
know, I, of course, I had to doit with support, right? I am
very grateful that I had thesupport of my family to say,
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like, just do it. You know,we're going to take the leap of
faith. Focus on your business,growing it, whatever it takes to
get it to a place where you feelcomfortable. And you know, I'm
in that right now, and it's, Ifeel so happy, and like I said,
I'm like, immensely grateful forthe opportunity to do that. And,
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yeah, that'sso good. And I love that you're
telling that story here, andthat you continue to tell that
story, because people getinspired. You never know who's
listening, and maybe they'reafraid to step out, and so they
hear that somebody did, eventhough they were afraid too. And
it worked out. It's a greatinspirational story, like it
reminds people you can do this.
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You can follow your heart.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Idefinitely, you know, I think
you have to, you have to followyour heart. And it also takes
some, it takes planning, ittakes reflection. It takes, you
know, there's some prep workinvolved, right? And in terms
of, how is it actually going towork, right? And I think you
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have to be honest with yourselfabout those really hard
questions, which is, you know,can you, you know, how, how long
can you go without income comingin? Or, you know, I think you
have to get really practical.
There's this, like, there's thehigh level, passionate side of
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you know what it is that youwant to do, and I think that's
really exciting, because I'm acontent creator, so I like to
create things and but then thethe more earthy side, which is
like, Alright, let's get thenuts and bolts, the practical
that's also so important tofocus on, especially when you're
getting ready to take that leap.
That'sa really good point. You have to
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be realistic. Yes, so tell usjust a little bit more about
Nuna therapy, because it's,it's, tell me what it means. Oh
yeah, thename means, I love the name and
what it means.
So Nuna means soul in Kichwa,and Kichwa is an indigenous
language from the Andes, so itreally comes from my background.
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My mom is from Ecuador. My dad'sfrom Croatia. But my mother's
side of the family, we have,surprisingly, lots of healers
and people that are really intospirituality and energy healing.
And I think growing up, it wassomething that I was surrounded
by, but I didn't really noticeor understand it until much,
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much later, and once I startedto connect with my own
spirituality, and I started toreally dive into all things
energy, healing andconsciousness, and it started to
make sense. And then I, youknow, I, I sometimes think to
myself, is this a part of ourlineage? Like, what's, what's
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the connection here?
Yeah, they say, they say shamansare definitely tend to. Be in,
in a lineage, it's reallyinteresting to me. Yeah,
exactly.
So, so, yeah, that's, that'spretty much, you know, it means
soul. And to me, I think thework that we have to do is
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really within and that's why Ilike this idea of talking about
our soul, there's so much thatwe keep hidden or that we
haven't uncovered aboutourselves, and that's just, I
don't think it's intentional. Ijust think that it's, you know,
life, a lot of times, causes usto keep things stuck or or
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stuffed down, because we have tokeep moving forward, and we
don't give ourselves enough timeto reflect. And so through my
work, and through the differentmodalities that I've that I've
learned, and I find that Icontinue learning, because
that's the only thing my my maingoal is always to serve the
client and the different clientsthat I see come for for
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different reasons. It could bejust stress, it can be anxiety,
it could be just somethingdeeper. And I think that
sometimes people don't reallyeven realize that there's a
deeper issue. Sometimes peoplecome in for stress, and it so
happens that there's grief fromyears ago that they actually
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never dealt with, right? Andthen you don't realize why you
have this block in your heartchakra or in your chest. And so
we can start to uncover some ofthese things. And that's why I
like to use Reiki. I like to useastrology. I'm getting into
tapping, you know, I'm reallyfascinated with the subconscious
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and how it works, and so Ireally just tried and sound
frequencies. I like to use mytuning forks in my Reiki
sessions, because I'm trying tofind ways to help my clients
really get over some of theirlimiting beliefs, because that
is oftentimes what keeps us fromreaching our full potential or
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embracing, you know, that personthat is always there, right? The
soul doesn't change. We are likethe soul is continues to stay
the same, right? We just occupya human body. So if you can get
back to that core, root self,that's kind of what I'm
interested in, and helpingpeople with
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it must be so fascinating,because people are so they're
all so different, and they'reall so fascinating, right? And
you don't always know whatyou're going to uncover. So what
can you just take us through?
Like, maybe how you would starta session? Like, what for those
of us who aren't that familiarwith Reiki or or pulling in
astrology, or even, you know,the sound frequency, like, how
does it go?
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Yeah, yeah. So for, typically,for a Reiki session, what I like
to do is I always like to startit off with some breathing,
because the breathing reallyhelps to just relax us. It helps
to write people come in from theend of a work day, or maybe
they're rushing right there.
They're they're late, they're afew minutes late, and they're
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rushing. They were caught intraffic, whatever it was, you're
coming into a space, and now youneed to get in touch with your
body. You need to get present.
And so I always like to startoff with a couple rounds of
breaths, and then I always havesome music playing in the
background, and we go into theReiki, and the Reiki itself,
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oftentimes will help to relaxthe person, and that is the
goal, is that they get to areally relaxed, almost
meditative state. I've havepeople sleeping on the table a
lot of times, because when theirbody is fully relaxed, that's
when healing can truly happen,when their energy can get
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balanced and and realigned. Andfor those that don't know Reiki
that well, it is really, it isworking with energy. And as a
practitioner, what you're doingis you're not really, it's not
about transferring energy fromone person to the other, but
it's rather just thepractitioner helps to realign
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the energy in a person's body,and we can find that in certain
energy centers or in certainplaces in our body, We can have
blocks, and that can easily befelt by just your hands. It can
feel for a practitioner, it canfeel sometimes like a cold spot,
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or it can feel like heat or somesort of like a tingling
vibration. And that can be asignal that that's an area that
needs to get worked on. And inaddition to whatever the client
might share in advance, it couldbe like, Oh, I have headaches,
or I have trouble sleeping, orwhatever the case is, and and
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then we spend the next, youknow, 45 to 60 minutes, it would
be me really focusing in on thatparticular area or different
areas of the body, and we usespecific we call them keys in in
Reiki, that are that are veryspecific for certain things. So
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it could be for physicalconditions, it could be for
emotional ones, mental ones,whatever is going on again with
the client, and I'll use thesound frequencies or the tuning
forks whenever I find that it'sneeded. And tuning forks,
they'll get activated, and theyget put next to the client's
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ears so that the sound can getheard, and that sound frequency
actually helps the client alsowith their energy and getting it
realigned to whatever frequencyit needs to be at to be at a
balanced state, like when I havethe tuning forks when I play
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them. Oftentimes, some of myclients will say, Oh, that's I
felt, you know, it'll be abouttheir ear, but they'll feel a
tingling sensation, you know, atthe bottom of their spine, or
they'll feel something right atthe top of their head. So that
essentially is telling me that,you know, it's activating
certain areas in their body.
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So interesting, it's really allenergy, though, isn't it the
sound and the the waves and whatyou're how you're healing,
feeling the energy, it's just sointeresting.
Yeah, yeah, it is. It really is.
I recently did have a Reikisession. I hadn't had one
before, and one of the thingsshe said was, I, she was, she
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started the session similarly,like, trying to get us relaxed.
And she, you know, she and me,and she pushed down on my
shoulders like, and just keptpushing like, I didn't think my
shoulders could go down thatlow. And she said that I had
been carrying so much of otherpeople's energy, and that I'm
the kind of person that's takenon too much of other people's
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energy. And I just thought, ofcourse, I am, you know, like
that just rang so true. And Ireally wish that we had been
exposed to these modalities whenI was much younger. I could have
avoided a lot of taking on apeople's energy. I'm just, you
know, I just absorb people'ssadness, or, you know, anger or
whatever, like I'm one of thosepeople. And I just thought it
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was so cool that she couldidentify that right away. Didn't
know me, you know, I just knew,just felt it. And so I'm a
believer. I just really had awonderful session, and I felt so
much lighter when I got out ofthere.
Yeah, that's, that's probablyone of the, one of those key
words i that i I've experiencedmyself, and I hear other people
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say is that they feel lighterwhen they even get up off the
table, right? Because we come inwith a lot, and then we not only
are we relaxed, we just kind ofexperienced, you know, a 60
minute relaxing session, butthen on top of that there, it's
just like this weight has kindof just been shedded and, yeah,
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that's one of the common thingsthat I hear with Reiki. I mean,
what's interesting is, like,once you really start to
understand the different partsof the body, and they all mean
something different, right? Imean, shoulders, as you said, is
very much about carrying thingsright. It's like this burdening
that we have right. A lot oftimes, anything related to the
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legs or the knees can be aboutmoving forward. It could be
about flexibility with certainthings. You know, then we start
to go into the energy centers orthe chakras, which I know are
talked about sometimes in yoga,but they also mean different
things, and we store differentemotions in different parts of
our body. So the base of thespine can be where we store
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fear, or right below our bellybutton is where we have guilt,
you know. So these are differentso when I start to feel certain,
certain sensations. I'll thensometimes have a conversation
with my client, right where Iask, I start to ask questions.
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What, what do you think isblocked in this area? Or do you
have any feelings of guilt orfear or shame, you know, and we
can actually go deeper that way.
So that's another thing that Ilike to do in my session, is it
can be, I always like to askpeople what is their main
objective with the Reikisession, if it is pure
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relaxation, you have stress,nothing else is going on in your
life. That's. The only thing youjust want to feel lighter. We
could completely do that, andthat's a different kind of
session. But if there issomething that you're actually
trying to overcome, some sort ofa trauma, or there's a block
that you haven't been able toget rid of, those sessions
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involve a lot more talking,because it's more of a dialog
between the both of us, where Iask questions and then the
client will respond if they feelcomfortable with whatever it is
they want to share. And that'swhen we start to peel back the
onion of you know, yes, it is X,Y or Z, or I'm having a memory
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come up from when I was a kid,and this is what happened. And
then we kind of go deeper thatway.
So that's very therapeutic whenyou when you start digging like
that, and the person can come tothat realization that there's
something there. Because, likeyou said, sometimes it's
unconscious and you just don'teven know until you start poking
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the bear, as it were, you don'treally know you know you or you
just you're not awareexactly. And I think one of the
things that I also like to pointout is that with Reiki, it's a
two way street. It is. It's alot about, you know, the client
comes in and they want to feelbetter, and in my my job and my
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role is to help facilitate thehealing.
I was getting that word, right?
Facilitator? Yeah, definitely.
I'm the facilitatorin that session and in that
process. However, when thatperson goes home, right? You,
they have to realize thatthey're also going back to the
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life that or the routine, right?
If they come in for stress, andthat's the one thing they want
to get rid of, then, then it'simportant that they change
something in their life, right?
So in a Reiki healing session,it's not going to like all
stress is going to disappearfrom their life. So it's
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important that they also realizethat for them to continue the
healing journey, there is, and Ioften give homework to my
clients. It could be so good,yeah, it could be something as
easy as here's a link to ameditation that you need to
listen to, you know, once a day,or whatever I prescribe, but I
try to give really practicaltools that people can go home
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with, that they could do ontheir own. And it could be a
sound frequency, it could besomething that they or
affirmation or journalingexercise or just something,
because I always think that wehave the answer to the our
problem, right? I don't have it.
No one else does. You're theonly person that truly knows
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your story, your journey, yourexperiences, and so my goal with
the Reiki is also to help peopleuncover and help them see either
the problem or help themdiscover the solution to
whatever their challenge is. Soit's
just the beginning. The sessionis really just the beginning,
right? You've got to makechanges based on what you
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learned. Yeah, that's sointeresting. Thanks for telling
us that. Because, I mean, I'veonly had one session, and some
people don't really know aboutit, so it's good to Yeah, we had
you talk about it now. Can youtell me just a little bit more
about what constitutes Nunatherapy? Like? What? What is
that? Is that different from theReiki, or is that a combo?
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Oh, I don't know if I understandthe question,
well, I know that you named it.
After several years, youdeveloped something called Nuna
therapy, right?
Well, Nuna therapy is the, justthe name of the business, okay,
I thought itwas, I thought it was. That's
when you got to the point whereyou knew that you could offer
these sessions. And yes, I lovethe you know, I love that name,
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so I had to bring it up again.
And I love this in an indigenouslanguage. I'm I'm super into
shamanism and indigenouscultures, so that's kind of an
obsession of mine. So when Iknew that that was a language in
your family, I was like, Oh, Ilove this. Yeah, it's an
obsession. And it's funny, we'retalking about things that we
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were exposed to as a as a child,and sort of, sort of noticing
them, but not maybe taking themas seriously, maybe when you're
little. And I took a shamaniccourse with somebody who did
Celtic shamanism, and she's asixth generation druid.
Literally, it's a lineage, andshe was, it really made me
jealous, because she was raisedbeing taught by her grandfather,
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and I've thought so much aboutbecause that's my my lip, my
background is, I'm got a lot ofCeltic and so that class was
just like ringing bells from youknow, it was very experiential,
too. I did a lot of journeyingand stuff, and I thought. How
different my life would be if Ihad had a teacher when I was
young, because I took me so longto sort of like you, to uncover
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it and to admit that it's partof me, and to learn about it.
And you know, it makes you thinklike how people used to be
raised. They were raised inthese traditions, and they were
taught about the soul and aboutjust the need to meditate and
take time and and rituals thatpeople used to do together. You
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know, I think we're missingsomething in our modern world.
We don't. That's why I'm soattracted to shamanism, because
I think it's I love psychology.
I've gone to therapists. I get alot out of that, but I shamanism
is an older psychology. To me,it's 1000s of years old. It's
the same all over the world.
It's very, very similar thekinds of things that people do
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in those rituals. And so, yeah,they they work like, to me,
they're just old psychology, youknow, like, just really good,
proven ways that people gettogether and help each other
heal. And so when I hear youtalk about what you do, that's
what it reminds me of, somethingthat's time tested, something
that works on that other level,that wonderful unconscious soul
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level that people might notalways be aware of. And I just
think, you know, modern societyis great, but it needs a dose of
this kind of stuff. Like,I think it's, I think, I really
think that it is the fact thatwe're not as connected to our
bodies, to even just nature orMother Earth. There's we've
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definitely lost something there.
And it's, it's interesting,because I feel like we're at a
time where we're starting tocome back to it, right? It's
like, started there, wecompletely abandoned it, and you
are finding that we're nowstarting to come back to it. And
(41:56):
it could also be the circlesthat I run in, because I'm very
much into this, right? So I seeit all, yeah,
but I think in general, peopleare more sensitive to it. And I
see just looking on socialmedia, people are posting things
about connecting with animalsand spending time in nature. And
what I really love is whenpeople have science backed
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evidence that spending time innature, literally, de stresses
you and helps you feel better,and, you know, makes you just
calmer. And so when they say,there's scientific reason people
pay attention, and I love that,because I never lost my
connection to nature. I'vealways been plugged in, and it
made me like a weirdo. When Iwas I was a child, I would go
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into the forest, and I would siton this big rock behind my
house, and I would sing to thefairies because, yeah, they were
there. I never saw them, but Ifelt them. And my mother was
really cool about it, like sheshe just thought I was cool,
but, Imean, I never talked about it,
you know, with my friends, and Inever admitted it. And my father
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was super into nature, and so Iwas raised, and I was raised in
the country, so I think I reallywas lucky, because it was always
it was always there, but I thinka lot of people do need to get
back, you know, they need toplug back in. I see that a lot.
It's very tough when you're notconnected that way.
(43:21):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, right nowI'm I'm taking a course to
learn. I'm learning how to teachspirituality and energy healing
to children, and I'm so excitedabout this, and I'm looking
forward to really being able tolaunch some sort of a program
(43:42):
for it, because I find, evenwith my own kids, how, you know,
they they see me doing this,right? They're, they're always
playing around with my crystals.
Or they're, you know, I'm doingtuning forks on them. And so
they're a little bit used to momdoing these types of things,
right? Or I talk about my Reikisessions and but I know that,
you know, I did a kids Mooncircle at the beginning of this
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year, and it was my first timedoing it. But I really the kids
had such a great time, and theyreally opened up, and we did a
ritual to let go of emotionsthat were, you know, kind of
keeping us blocked, or thatwe're stuck in our bodies. And
afterwards, I remember some ofthe moms telling me, oh my, my
(44:29):
kids said that they're nothaving that bad dream anymore
because she let go of the ofthat emotion that you know in
your ritual, or someone elsesaid, oh my, my kids starting to
journal now after that session.
And you know, that really lit meup so much, and I thought, I
have to do something with kids.
So, yeah, so that's, that's thenext thing I'm working on. I'm
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so gladyou're doing that. Because
really, if you start them thatway, and they and they get. Into
those healthy sort of selfawareness rituals and taking
care of themselves. It'll beeasier later. And I just think
it's great. That's a wonderfulthing to do, and they are so
much more open, yes, lesscracking open, I would imagine
less less blocking when you'reyoung.
(45:18):
It really comes down toawareness that That, to me, is
the big thing, if you can be somuch more aware of a sensation
that you have in your body, of athought that you have in your
mind, right? How often do wetalk ourselves out of our gut?
So, yeah, not taught to do trustthe body. We're just taught to
(45:42):
trust the mind. And I'm notsaying the mind is not good. The
mind is there for a reason, andwe also should supposed to use
it, but we're not as in touchwith our body. And so that's, I
think, one of the most importantthings that we can learn is
just, what are we truly feeling?
What's that sensation? What doesit mean? So, yeah,
(46:08):
that's wonderful. Is thereanything that we didn't talk
about that you'd like to makesure we share?
I don't think so. I mean, Ididn't talk too much about the
about astrology, but it's just,you know, I think one of the
other things that I do withastrology is that it's just, you
know, I find that energyhealing, at least with the
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people that I clients, that Iseen, people I work with, is
that very much people come inbecause they're having a
physical challenge or some sortof a physical issue, and at the
end of the day, we all want tofeel better. We all want to be
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happy. That's kind of the theage old thing that we all want
to do, and that's why I see somany more clients when it comes
to energy healing and Reiki,astrology, I think, though, is,
I think it can be anafterthought, and I don't know
if people fully understand orappreciate the depth that it can
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really provide, especially whenit comes to just understanding
yourself better. And what I'llsay about that is that we often
live our life based on eithersomeone else's stories about us,
and those stories have beeningrained in us that we've then
(47:33):
created a story based off ofthat story. And what I mean by
that is that you know, if yourparents or your friends keep
telling you something aboutyourself. It could be, Oh,
you're so smart, or oh you're sowhatever. That becomes almost
your identity, in a way. Andit's really hard, after years
(47:54):
and years of being told the samething, to get rid of it. And so
you feed into that story, and itbecomes yours, right? And it
keeps going on and on. And Ithink what's beautiful about
astrology is that you reallybegin to dig into who is the
authentic version of yourself?
Is this story actually real, oris there another part of you?
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And when you start to dig intothat, that's when you really
begin to uncover, oh, I think Iremember that part of me when I
was a kid, the part of me thatused to love whatever to be
creative, the part of me thatalways cried, but I was told
that I was too emotional and Ineed to get over it, whatever it
(48:37):
is, and That allows you, onceyou realize it's who you are,
you can embrace it, and then youcan figure out, how do you deal
with it, right? You know,because there are extremes with
everything. There's an extremeto being too emotional, there's
an extreme to being, you know,too creative, and then it's
about finding that rightbalance. And that's what I think
(48:57):
Astrology can really help peoplefind and it helps to give you
validation. It helps you tofigure out, where do I need to
focus more energy on? Whereshould I, you know, or what can
I embrace? Where do I need toset boundaries? Things like
that.
That's wonderful. You know,you're speaking my language
(49:19):
stories. And, yeah, exactly. I'msort of fascinated with that.
I've always been interested infamily myths and how our family
defines us, right? And I thinkthat's such a beautiful
experience that you take peoplethrough, like, take a look at
what you think you are, youknow. And we, I took a
mindfulness class that was howto podcast, but also mindfulness
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with Kathy Heller. And she said,What did you like to do when
you were eight years old?
What was your favorite thing?
Who were you and what would shesay to you? What would your
eight year old self say? And itwas just such a wonderful
exercise, becauseyou're right. A
lot of times we're just. Uh,absorbing what people say about
us and incorporating it, andjust that whole idea that maybe
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it's time to let some of thatgo. And that's very powerful.
Plus, you know, once you're yourauthentic self, you can offer
the world the gifts that thatonly you came with. That's my
whole thing, is like, if you'renot being everything you can be
who you really are. Yeah,you're, you know, what's the
point? I mean, you have thingsto offer the world, even even in
(50:29):
a small circle, right? You wantto be yourself. And that's a
beautiful that's the beautifulidea behind just becoming more
your authentic self.
It's very powerful, too.
I love that you're doing that. Ilove your work, as if you
couldn't tell so your yourwebsite is www.nunatherapy.com,
(50:50):
right, yeah. And you can sign upfor a newsletter. There
is that? Did I see that? Yeah,yeah, definitely good.
Is there anywhere, anywhere elsewe can get in touch with you?
Would you like to give us yourInstagram or,
yeah, I mean, you can find me onInstagram, Tiktok, Facebook,
YouTube, it's they're all neweverywhere. I'm I'm everywhere.
(51:14):
Good,I'll put all that in the show
notes, but I like to give you ashout out if I can. Okay, good,
yeah. Thank you so much. Ilearned. I just learned so much,
very, very interesting. And Ithink your work helps a lot of
people, and I think it helps tohear about it. I think maybe
people might seek out sessions,you know, they might realize
that it might be for them. Sothat's great,
(51:37):
yeah, yeah. I mean, I hope so,right? I think a lot of times
when you start to get into thisplace, you can think a lot of
this is just like, you know, Ilike to use the word Woo, woo,
but that's how it getsportrayed. And it's definitely a
lot more than that, if you giveyourself the time to really just
explore it. And you know, evenif you try it and it doesn't
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work for you, because you haveto find what resonates with you,
and not everything is going towork for you, and that's okay
too, right? This isn't foreveryone, but if this calls your
attention, or you've, you know,keep thinking about it, then
there might be something there.
So it's like the story that youtold about the shamanism, or
even, like your Celtic roots.
(52:23):
And I would say, explore it. Doit. If it interests you, just do
it.
What's that wonderful Rumiquotation? Right? It's like
that, that that which you areseeking is seeking you exactly
that pull. You have to trustthat pull. Oh, yeah, and I
don't, I think what's sofascinating about all this is
like, you're helping peopleremember that these are
(52:45):
important things, and thosethings are sort of discounted as
you grow up and you're gettingall practical, and you go and
find a job, and you, like yousaid, it's easy to just shush
those things into Oh, well, youknow, whatever that I'm I'm
interested in that, but that'snot important right Now, but,
but you're saying it is like,you know, what we're pulled
towards, what what we enjoy, isimportant?
(53:07):
Yeah, definitely. And, and thatgoes back to kind of the
beginning of my story, which is,you know, when I started off
with that astrology class, itwas the thing I was pulled to.
And, I mean, it's, it's led mehere, so I can only be grateful
for thatand how cool that you followed
it. Yes.
(53:28):
So I would encourage everyone tofollow the thing that they're
pulled to, even if it seemsweird and strange, just do it,
which you really never knowwhere.
Yeah, it might, it might seemstrange. I mean, that's okay,
yeah, but it's really not Yeahexactly.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, thank you. You
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