August 18, 2023 • 33 mins
We explore infidelity and ethical dilemmas in healthcare, with insights from guest Allie. We discuss the pressures of nursing, including stress, travel lifestyles, and the temptations that arise in high-stakes environments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know a married couple who worked at this
hospital and they were indifferent units, same hospital,
different units.
The husband was frolickingaround with multiple young
nurses just in the same hospital.
When you do it outside, you'remore secretive.
But to do it within theworkplace, where everybody knows
(00:22):
you're a spouse and that youguys are together, share a
family, that's bold in myopinion.
There's this thrill, there'sthis thrill.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's the adrenaline rush, it's the adrenaline, and
that thrill can transfer toone's personal life because it's
a little addictive.
And so there's this thrill ofnot being caught is what I'm
trying to get at.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I agree.
I do know certain nurses,especially in the ICU
environment, who seek thatadrenaline rush and that is why
they are in ICU.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thank you for stopping by the Stuber podcast.
I'm your host, slash driver,stu Briggs.
And today let's hop in theambulance because we're headed
to the ER, the ICU Because myguest feels as if there are some
relationships that needresuscitation, particularly in
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the healthcare industry.
We're talking about naughtynurse confessions, tales of
infidelity and scrubs.
Should be a good one.
Hop in, buckle up.
We're going to blow some redlights on this one.
Let's go for a ride.
We have a hot one today,episode six.
Thank you for joining me.
A hot one today, episode six.
(01:46):
Thank you for joining me.
We're gonna be talking aboutnaughty nurse confessions, tales
of infidelity in scrubs.
We're going to turn the tablesa little bit.
Usually it's patients that yousit bedside and talk to and they
tell you about how they'rehaving problems in their
relationships and perhapscheating.
I'm sure you've heard some ofthose stories, but it has come
(02:08):
to light that actually nursesare also notorious for cheating,
oftentimes even in the hospitalrooms, having mistresses and
secret lovers.
We have a panel of nurses herewith me today.
One is no stranger to this.
My co-pilot, jane Eisen, mywife, say hello babe, hello,
(02:30):
hello everyone.
Yes, she is a registered nurse.
She has a degree bought fromFlorida.
There's some talk of peopleactually fraudulently getting
their credentials, but you haveearned your stripes, correct?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, senior nurse, 20 plus years 20 plus years.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
We're going to unpack what all of that means and why
you are to be celebrated.
So that's my co-pilot.
She is a recurring personalityhere, but our special guest is
none other than Allie Allison.
How are you?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Good Hi.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Glad you're on the show today.
Now, you are a San Francisconative, born and raised.
Represent the 415.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So shout out to the 415.
Very proud to be from theFrisco area.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yes, she's not leaving.
I understand your intention isto stay.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Never leaving.
They have to drag me out what.
I tell people that all the timeI'm never leaving Frisco.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You're Frisco to the heart.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Wait a minute.
I actually heard that New Yorkmight've stole you one time,
cause that's like a bigger SanFrancisco.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, it is, new York did steal my heart, but I'm
always like going to rep SF.
I love New York.
It's a vibe out there but,weather wise, when it really
comes down to it, I think SF iswhere it's at what Weather?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, oh, what you're saying.
Compared to New York.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Compared to New York.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Because that New York heat and the New York winter,
yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
All right, man, I can really go down a bunch of
rabbit holes, but let me stickto said script.
Today she's representingAbraham Lincoln High School.
I want to start there with herjourney.
It is 499th ranked school inCalifornia.
It's a distinguished highschool.
I don't know if you knew that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, you're shocked.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
A little bit yeah, because growing up in the city,
lowell was the number onedistinguished school.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Exactly, which is why I was going to ask you why you
didn't go to Lowell.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I didn't get in Dang.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, that's where you wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, so growing up Asian immigrant family right,
you're first generation bornhere.
Everybody's supposed to go toLowell.
If you didn't go to Lowell, youwere a black sheep, at least
from my family.
On my mom's side there's likeabout 18 cousins.
Everybody went to Lowell andthree of us went to like
different schools Like.
Two of us went to Lincoln,which is me and my brother, and
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then one cousin went to Wash,but everybody else, including my
younger sister, went to Lowell.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So you almost got shamed, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Ousted from her own people.
Yeah, what school you went to?
Every time we do somethingsmart, Jane goes.
What school you went to?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
What school you went.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What school you went.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
What school you went.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
But I want to make sure, I want to verify that you
went to Lowell.
So what are the school colorsthere To?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Lincoln sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It is yellow and red.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
We should.
We count yellow and red.
I was told red and gold.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So oh, red and gold, yeah, red and gold okay, red and
yellow.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Still questionable whether or not you actually went
there.
Then what is the school'smascot?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
we're mustangs, we're diehard mustangs okay, okay,
one more then.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Okay, when it was time to get blazed, time to get
high, where did they go to gethigh?
Just kidding, you don't have toanswer that one.
You didn't quite pass the testas whether or not you went to
Lincoln, what is the bell game?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The bell game.
Okay, so the bell game isplayed every year at Kezar
Stadium and it happens onThanksgiving day.
Oh, yes, so the bell gamehappens on Thanksgiving Day in
the morning.
Everybody gathers at Kezar andit's a rivalry game played
between Washington High Schooland Lincoln High School, and
whoever takes the bell home thatyear is the winner of the bell
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game.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Okay, Certified approved.
You definitely went to Lincoln.
All right, we're good to go.
After you've graduated fromLincoln, you went on to UC Davis
.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Representing the Aggies.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yes, aggie, for life.
I think my four years at UCDavis was probably the best four
years of my life.
When I'm asked if I would havedone it different, I'd say no,
because I moved away from homeat 18 years old.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Done it different.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I'd say no, because I moved away from home at 18
years old, did it on my own, didthe whole dorm room thing, ate
in the commons, the diningcommons, and just really grew as
a person.
Really found myself at 18 tolike 22.
When I was there made somelifelong friends there, studied,
partied, learned some trialsand tribulations along the way,
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but like I really felt like myfour years at Davis, I just grew
as a person.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, and you majored in biochemistry.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I did.
I majored in biochemistryhoping to fulfill the Asian
American dream of becoming amedical doctor.
Okay, but it didn't work outthat way.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
But I am very happy as a nurse After you finished
there at UC Davis, then you hadto go on and get another degree
for nursing at Samuel MerrittUniversity.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah.
So I finished at UC Davis, kindof didn't know what to do at
that time, you know, was readyto move back home, was tired of
being away from the Bay, and soI looked into what I was going
to do.
I wasn't going to go to medschool, wasn't going to do any
tech or business thing like that.
So then I looked into nursingand I was like, oh okay, I can
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do this.
I volunteered, liked it, and soI was like I'm going to pursue
it.
So I came back, did a fewprereqs out here at a community
college, at Skyline, and thenapplied to nursing school at
Samuel Merritt and then got in.
And so it was very fluid, Iwould say I maybe took a year
off to do all my prereqs andstuff like that, and then I got
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in, which I'm very grateful for,because when I do things I go
crazy, a hundred foot to thepedal straight, no breaks, and
so I don't know how to explainit.
But when I go so hard and thenI fail, it like takes a moment
for me to come back up Nursing.
You can do it a few differentroutes.
If you knew you wanted to be anurse straight from high school,
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you could go to nursing schoolright away.
You'll do your prereqs and theneventually get your bachelor's.
But I had a bachelor's already,so I did a celebrated program.
So I did nursing school inabout 12 months.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah.
It was intense, but totallyworth it.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Babe, you were telling me that when you did
your nursing program was it ayear.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It was a two-year core nursing program.
Oh, okay For an associate'sdegree in nursing a two-year
core nursing program for anassociate's degree in nursing.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
And we're talking about nurses that cheat and you
passed your nursing test in 20minutes.
So we're not talking about thatkind of cheating, but it does
bring up some questions.
How did you do that?
You passed your nursing exam in20 minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Did you have?
Yeah, so I didn't cheat, Istudied for it.
That's amazing.
Yeah, I locked myself in a roomfor a week.
All I did was eat, shower,sleep, study.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
You locked in I focused yeah.
Dang.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And then went in to take the test 20 minutes 25.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh man, how about you , Allie?
Do you remember this test thatshe's speaking of?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I did remember this test Was yours still pen and
paper, I think, on the or on thecomputer already Computer,
because some nurses say they didtheirs pen and paper but I did
mine on the computer.
Oh my God, it was like.
I still remember how I feltbecause I went in, I took the
exam.
They make you take yourhairband off and they give you
their hairband.
That's how like serious it is.
(10:07):
And so I'm taking this test.
I'm like, okay, I'm going tofail.
I feel like I'm going to fail.
And at 75 questions it turns off.
It's not like a gentle turn off.
You're done with your test.
Please go see the test proctor.
It literally shuts down.
Black screen, right, abrupt,abrupt, abrupt shutdown.
And I'm all freaking out.
I'm like, oh my God, so Ifailed.
(10:28):
Like I'm thinking, should Iraise my hand and tell the
proctor?
I think the computer is broken?
The reason why I say it likethat is because a lot of people
say that if you finish within 75questions for the board exam,
it's either you did really well,that the test feels as though
you passed, or you did reallyterrible, that you need to go
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back and study.
Yeah, so you'll never know.
So you'll never know, and then,if you're not doing so hot in
the beginning but then you getyour groove in the middle, you
can go up to 256 questions, likethey'll let you prove yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Oh, I see, was it a four hour limit?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I forget I can't remember yeah, something like
that, but you get chances.
I can't remember yeah,something like that, but you get
chances Like they're not hereto have you fail.
Ok, they're here to help you.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
All right, so both of you did not do anything shady
to get where you're at.
That's good.
You're bona fide because you'rethe ones that are going to be
taking care of us when we'resick.
Segue into what we're trying toget into, which is this topic
that's been out there these daysabout nurses and people in the
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healthcare industry that are notso faithful.
We know that's a fantasy for alot of folks is to have physical
relations with a nurse.
I'm sure that is something somepeople have fantasized about.
Both of you are giving me weirdfaces, but it's true that is an
American fantasy to be able tocheat with a nurse.
But let's not just leave it tonurses.
(11:55):
Doctors also, and nursingassistants are all under this
umbrella of having cheated.
We have some conversation aboutit, and I heard you mention
this earlier, allie.
Is that your kind just kidding?
No, nurses are more likely tocheat than musicians and DJs.
(12:18):
This information I'm giving youcomes from a survey by Ashley
Madison.
Have you heard about that?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I've heard about it.
I tried to dig deep into it andtrying some sources.
I'm all about evidence based,but have you heard what Ashley
Madison is?
No, okay, so that's good howabout you?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I've heard about it.
I tried to dig deep into it andtrying some sources.
I'm all about evidence-based,but have you heard what Ashley
Madison is?
No, okay, so that's good.
How about you, babe?
I haven't.
Okay, so that is an app that'sfor people who want to have a
extramarital affair.
So this survey and this dataI'm providing comes from this
app.
When they surveyed some oftheir users All right, it's
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those who want to cheat.
I know there was a such app outthere.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I didn't know either.
I had no idea.
Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And so it listed healthcare workers as the most
likely to cheat, saying thatabout 23% of female medical
professionals have been caughtdoing the dirty.
We're talking about looking ata pool of about 367 people, all
right, and mainly 81% of thecheaters were men.
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So men are really having a hardtime keeping it in their pants.
But one thing that you guysmight be able to speak to also
is that it's those that work thenight shift that tend to have a
little bit more proclivity tocheating 60% more so than the
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other shifts.
It's the nighttime shift.
So, fellas out there, if youare interested in that is your
fantasy and that is your fantasy, then go to the ER at night and
that might fulfill said fantasy.
Just saying, okay, now I've saidenough.
I just want to set the contextand the stage that there is some
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data to suggest that this isthe case, and so Allie and my
wife are here to tell us whetheror not those are things that
they have experienced themselves.
But let's get into it, allie,so you're in the nursing
profession.
How long have you been doingthat?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'm coming up seven years in September.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Okay, how about you babe?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
21 years.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Veteran in the game huh Veteran, yes, og, og, okay,
let, og, okay.
Let's start with you guys.
What made you start or pursuethat career?
What was it about nursing thatmade you want to get into it?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think because you could interact with the patients
more.
It was besides being a doctor,I knew I wanted to be hands-on
in the medical profession, andso that's why, when I
volunteered, I was like, hey,I'm bedside, I'm doing things,
I'm talking to patients, I'm init.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You didn't want to be pushing paper.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
That was not what I wanted to do, but a huge part of
your job is pushing paper.
Electronic.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Oh, but it is charting, isn't that?
Yeah, oh okay, yeah, oh okay.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah.
That's the part that's a littlecumbersome or tedious, yes or
no?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, it can get tedious.
Yeah, and when you're so busysometimes you get caught up with
your patient that you just getbehind.
But yeah, it can get tedious.
But I like to be active, right,like I can't be in an office
just sitting.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Doing on the computer .
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, I'm going to stop calling you babe Jane.
How about you, Mrs Jane?
How did you get involved innursing?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So my aunt inspired me to become a nurse.
My dad had high respects forher and always spoke highly
about her, and I just saw howshe cared for people and nursed
my grandma that was ill, and mygrandpa, and so I just wanted to
be just like her.
So that's what inspired me.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Okay, all right.
Now we've come a long way.
We've got a pandemic.
That happened.
There's a lot of burnout, sothat's one of the obstacles
you've faced.
What are some other obstaclesyou may have faced?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think, like the staffing issues, that we always
had, how short staff we would be.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Short staffing is something that's always going to
be there.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You're never going to be fully staffed.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
For the person that doesn't really know much about
that.
What does that mean?
Short staff, yeah.
It means you're having to domore.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Not enough help, for you know the acuity of your
patient.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Acuity.
Excuse me, ma'am, what doesthat mean?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Acuity is how intense your patient can be Like.
Some patients are a little bitmore ill than other patients and
so one patient may require alittle bit more time to take
care of that person, whetherit's meds or just feeding them
or just waiting for them tofinish using the restroom.
They need help back to bed,things like that.
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Or some patients are total careand they're dependent in those
types of activities and you needmore than one person.
Sometimes it's three people toone patient and there's just
sometimes there's not enoughstaff.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Okay, you've got a lack of support and resources,
and that level of stress canalso impact the morale among
nurses.
Is that correct, for sure?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, and our top dogs, like our management,
thinks that pizza and cookiesand cakes is what builds morale.
But that's not what buildsmorale.
We need help and that meanshiring more people, scheduling
more people, whether it's OT,double time, whatever it may be.
But sometimes you know theythink that rewards and other
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things builds morale, but itreally doesn't.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Wow.
So I think we're touching thetip of the iceberg here, with
what may be leading to some ofthe cheating that happens in the
hospital is that there's alevel of stress and how one
deals with that stress could bein finding some tender, loving
care from someone that will giveit to you.
Is that something that youcould suggest as a reason that a
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nurse might do something likethat?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I can see why it happens, For example, when I'm
venting.
It's easier for me to vent toJane because I'll throw out
nursing terms and she'll justlaugh or agree and I don't have
to really explain more.
Right?
Let's say I marry somebodyoutside of the health care
profession.
I'm going home to vent.
It takes a lot more energy tovent to that person as opposed
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to somebody at work.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Because it's easier and more than likely, they were
there and they experienced it.
So you're just venting, notexplaining and venting at the
same time, right yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So someone that can easily relate.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, easily relate, right, yeah.
And if a person is feelingestranged from their spouse
already, that kind of makes iteven more opportunistic if they
have a work husband or a workwife, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Definitely.
And that's like a slipperyslope because, yeah, it's easier
to vent to your coworker, but,like I said, it's a slippery
slope because where do you gowith that what?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
your intention.
We go to the hospital room andwe close the door and pull down
the blinds.
And tell me that has nothappened.
So you guys work long hourssometimes, right yeah, so that
can lead to a detachment fromhome because you're constantly
away and sometimes maybe theonly time a nurse or a doctor
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may see their spouse is whenthey get ready to crawl into bed
.
Does that sound like arealistic situation that some
people are facing that are inthe health care industry?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I would say so.
It's very valid.
All right, I would say so it'svery valid.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
All right.
So we established one of thereasons this may be happening is
a lack of resources.
Burnout and a detachment fromtheir spouse at home, along with
the ability to connect withsomeone at work, is one reason
why this may be the case.
Now, what do you think are someother reasons as to why this
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may be happening?
Nurses might be cheating.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's easy, it's convenient.
You're there being in ahospital, right, like you have a
room, you have a bed, you havea bathroom, there's showers in
certain units, yeah, and it'sconvenience, it's there.
And, like you said, night shift, that's when everybody, like
every normal person, sleeps.
And us medical professionswhether it's a nurse, materials
management, environmentalservices they work night shift
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too, because the hospital is a24-hour facility and for a night
shift, nobody is really around.
Some units are closed, beds areset up for the next morning,
there's a lot of downtime beinga night shift nurse, and there's
just a lot more people aroundon day shift, it's a lot easier
to get caught.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So that's another reason that this may be
happening is because people havean alibi and they can say it's
harder for me to get caughtbecause I don't have to really
explain where I was at, becauseI work long hours.
So are they having juicyexamples or juicy stories,
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without dropping any names?
Just something that might givepeople a glimpse into this
culture of cheating?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
that may be out there .
The hospital is such a bigplace if you think you're not
getting caught, people alreadyprobably know somebody has
probably seen you out of thiscorner, that corner.
Yeah, like I heard of thisstory I can't verify if it's
true or not, because I heard ofit third party but I know a
married couple who worked atthis hospital and they were in
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different units, same hospital,different units.
The husband was frolickingaround with multiple young
nurses just in the same hospital.
When you do it outside, you'remore secretive.
But to do it within theworkplace, where everybody knows
you're a spouse and that youguys are together, share a
family, that's bold in myopinion.
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What do you think?
Oh, yeah, totally that is boldto me and, yeah, that's one that
I've heard of.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Speaking to reasons we mentioned just being able to
have a connection with someone,but also because you all are so
used to prescribing medicine.
Perhaps the couple you speak ofhad an open relationship and
they understood that one'sphysical sexual needs is like a
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prescription, and perhaps theyboth understood that there was
nothing emotional.
It was a physical prescriptionthat one needed.
Maybe that's how some nurseslook at it.
I'm not necessarily cheating,I'm just getting my prescription
.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Good excuse, but not cutting it.
It's not going to cut it.
Not cutting it yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Jane's in disagreement.
Don't you prescribe medicine,or are you?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
We administer, we administer.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You administer it, the doctor prescribes it.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, we give it to our patients because they need
it.
I see where you're going withthat.
You see what I'm going with.
You're saying as though theinfidelity is a dose, like a
little pick-me-up here and therewhen you need it Exactly and as
nurses we call it a PRN when weneed it as necessary.
It's not as needed.
That's what we call a PRN.
(23:25):
So I see where you're goingwith it.
I understand it, but I don'tagree with it.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You don't agree with it, I think it is a low-level
excuse.
There are some other reasonswhen you guys work in a hostile
environment, sometimes yes or no.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, high strung, high strung.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And there's a weight on you, sometimes yes or no.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Okay, and so you need tender, loving care?
All right, so it's great toretreat to someone that's going
to give you that care.
Right?
Maybe it's not happening athome, so retreat somewhere else
to feel loved.
Is that a valid reason?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It's a valid reason.
But my question is okay.
So if you have somebody at homeand you're not getting the love
that you need to thrive in yourcareer, so we need to get to
the bottom of it.
That doesn't mean go outsideyour home and look for that tlc.
I feel as though if you havesomebody at home because not
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everyone is married or has apartner right, so if you're not
getting that tlc at home becausenot everyone is married or has
a partner right, so if you'renot getting that TLC at home and
you have somebody at home, sothere's a bigger issue.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, that's my personal opinion I'm just saying
when not thinking about isright or wrong.
It's just some of the reasonswhy it may oh happening yeah
okay, definitely now.
Another reason is you said thatwhen you go for something, you
like to put everything into it.
You go 100 all in, and thatthrill-seeking nature of nurses,
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particularly because you guyshave to take risks right.
In order to be in this industrythat you're in, you have to
take some risks right.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Someone's coding, someone's inserting IVs yeah,
always.
You're always putting yourselfat risk.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Your safety, yeah Like with mental health patients
.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You're at risk for your safety.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, there's this thrill, there's this thrill.
It's the adrenaline rush, it'sthe adrenaline right.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
When your patient's coding and you bring them back.
Yeah, yeah, there's always that.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And that thrill can transfer to one's personal life
because it's a little addictive.
And so there's this thrill ofnot being caught is what I'm
trying to get at.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
You know what I mean.
I agree.
I do know certain nurses,especially in the ICU
environment, who seek thatadrenaline rush and that is why
they are in ICU.
So yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Okay.
So there's that.
Then here's one is because somemay feel life's too short.
Right, they realize, you guysare always on the front line of
seeing people on the brink ofdeath or possibly dying, and you
realize, hey, life is too shortand you're aware of your own
mortality, and so you grabopportunity when it comes, no
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matter how risky it might be.
You don't want to waste anopportunity because you realize,
hey, I only live once.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, yolo, right.
Yeah, we get a lot of travelernurses Exactly From Alabama,
louisiana and even New York,like as big as a city is.
Their nursing environment isn'tas strong and I'll explain in a
bit.
As California, as Californianurses, we are blessed to be in
the union, that we have thesupport that we have, even
though we talk about shortstaffing and stuff like that,
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but we are blessed as Calinurses.
We get a lot of travelers andthey're from small town, rural
areas and they come to the Bayarea, let alone San Francisco,
and they're like, oh my God,what have I been missing out on
life?
And they just go, like I said,put to the pedal, like 100% on
the gas, and they're just outthere.
Like I know traveler nurses,they make good money, they have
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good contracts, especiallycompared to what they were used
to getting paid, and they ballout.
They're going to the DominicanRepublic, they're going to
Jamaica, they're going to theCatalina Islands.
Talking about, I'm going to goon a private helicopter from
wherever they dock to theCatalina Islands.
These traveler nurses ball out.
So, like for sure, it's like aYOLO thing because they know
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when they go back home oreventually, wherever they decide
to do they want to have said,to have experienced this
California experience?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Mm-hmm, and so that could lead to the playgirl,
playboy lifestyle.
You mentioned something that,with all of this wealth and high
salaries, it's well documentedthat doctors and nurses have
more invitation to stray awayfrom their significant other
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because they receive moreattention.
Stray away from theirsignificant other because they
receive more attention.
That because you guys have thestatus.
When people hear doctor ornurse, it turns them on.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And so then in turn, nurses then take advantage of
that opportunity.
Yeah, I can see that happeningtoo.
Yeah, For sure I say more sowith the doctor.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, because I feel like when somebody hears doctor,
they're like oh, Right, it'slike that they see their white
coat.
Yeah, they're like oh MD what.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, I do it too.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'm not going to lie.
What does he do?
Oh, he's a doctor, oh, okay.
What else does he do?
Oh, he's a doctor, oh okay.
What else does he have to offer?
Yeah, why is he single?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Oh, wow, last reason we'll talk about, or I would say
a notion out there, that nursesare full of themselves, maybe
conceited and arrogant.
Does that seem a bit unfair toyou to describe a nurse as
conceited or arrogant?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I think conceited and arrogant are the wrong
adjectives.
I feel as though we'reconfident.
I feel like that's a betteradjective because we know what
we're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, and we're assertive.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, we're very assertive.
Yeah, we're very assertive.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Maybe there's some men and women out there who feel
as if that level of confidenceis not an easy way to get a
proposal, let alone walk theaisle with someone.
But, that being said, if thatis what people think, we have to
change that narrative.
We've not done justice to yourprofession, so we're going to
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close on a more dignified note.
We don't want to leave herewithout our what babe?
Our dignity.
Okay.
So we want to have our dignity,and so one thing we want to
highlight is that you guys playa critical role in patient care.
Jane, when you come home, Iknow that you have seen and
worked tirelessly to ensure thatpatients receive the best
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possible treatment.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Definitely 100%.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And you're often the first point of contact for
patients and their families,right when their loved one is
going through something with amedical problem you have to be
the go-between sometimes.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yes, first line.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, so that has to be kept in mind when we start
throwing topics out there thatcast you and our essential
workers in a negative light isthat you're the first line for
the families, you provideemotional support and guidance
and you're super skilled.
I think, allison, you left outa couple of things in your bio
about the extensive trainingyou've gone through.
(30:44):
You've done a lot of studyingbeyond what the typical nurse
needs to do in order to getwhere you're at, to develop your
expertise in pharmacology andanatomy and physiology, like
you've done a lot, right, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, just to put it into perspective, I was a adult
nurse, cardiac nurse, for sixyears and a year ago
transitioned to become aneonatal nurse.
Lots of training, differenttypes of training to get to
where I am.
But when I was an adult nurse,in order to really solidify
myself, I did take a few tests,which was the CCRN, which is a
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critical care nurse test, tocertify myself as a critical ICU
nurse.
Now that test was no joke.
I would have to say that testwas harder than the board tests.
I really studied for that test.
The other test that I took wasa cardiac surgery test, just to
solidify my skills, my knowledge, knowing how to take post-op
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cardiac surgery patients.
But yeah, I've done threetraining programs as a nurse.
So I did a new grad trainingprogram at Kaiser SF and then I
did a ICU training program atStanford and then I did a
neonatal one at UCSF.
So lots of training.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, super motivated .
And is this the finaldestination for your nursing
career?
You got the neonatal.
That's a new experience.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Very new.
I'm loving it.
I'm so passionate about it.
I feel as though I'm not evenat work, like I find it a joy to
go to work.
I think I found my niche.
To be honest with you, aftersix years I have some near
future goals for myself withinthe neonatal population going in
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that route, but I think I'msticking with the neonates for
now, neonates, neonates, yeahthis is where I was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Nice.
Both of you have definitelyserved your community and
humankind every day, and it's tobe appreciated, and so any
negative stereotype that's beingput out there needs to be
shifted towards a more accurateand respectful portrayal of this
very vital profession, and sohats off to both of you for
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being servants in your careerand in your life.
We're going to end on that note.
Thank you, allie, for joiningus, and thank you, babe, for
being my co-pilot.
Thanks for listening.
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Thanks again, and until nexttime.
Keep your head up and eyes onthe road.
I know a married couple who worked at this
hospital and they were indifferent units, same hospital,
different units.
The husband was frolickingaround with multiple young
nurses just in the same hospital.
When you do it outside, you'remore secretive.
But to do it within theworkplace, where everybody knows
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you're a spouse and that youguys are together, share a
family, that's bold in myopinion.
There's this thrill, there'sthis thrill.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's the adrenaline rush, it's the adrenaline, and
that thrill can transfer toone's personal life because it's
a little addictive.
And so there's this thrill ofnot being caught is what I'm
trying to get at.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I agree.
I do know certain nurses,especially in the ICU
environment, who seek thatadrenaline rush and that is why
they are in ICU.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thank you for stopping by the Stuber podcast.
I'm your host, slash driver,stu Briggs.
And today let's hop in theambulance because we're headed
to the ER, the ICU Because myguest feels as if there are some
relationships that needresuscitation, particularly in
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the healthcare industry.
We're talking about naughtynurse confessions, tales of
infidelity and scrubs.
Should be a good one.
Hop in, buckle up.
We're going to blow some redlights on this one.
Let's go for a ride.
We have a hot one today,episode six.
Thank you for joining me.
A hot one today, episode six.
(01:46):
Thank you for joining me.
We're gonna be talking aboutnaughty nurse confessions, tales
of infidelity in scrubs.
We're going to turn the tablesa little bit.
Usually it's patients that yousit bedside and talk to and they
tell you about how they'rehaving problems in their
relationships and perhapscheating.
I'm sure you've heard some ofthose stories, but it has come
(02:08):
to light that actually nursesare also notorious for cheating,
oftentimes even in the hospitalrooms, having mistresses and
secret lovers.
We have a panel of nurses herewith me today.
One is no stranger to this.
My co-pilot, jane Eisen, mywife, say hello babe, hello,
(02:30):
hello everyone.
Yes, she is a registered nurse.
She has a degree bought fromFlorida.
There's some talk of peopleactually fraudulently getting
their credentials, but you haveearned your stripes, correct?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, senior nurse, 20 plus years 20 plus years.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
We're going to unpack what all of that means and why
you are to be celebrated.
So that's my co-pilot.
She is a recurring personalityhere, but our special guest is
none other than Allie Allison.
How are you?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Good Hi.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Glad you're on the show today.
Now, you are a San Francisconative, born and raised.
Represent the 415.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So shout out to the 415.
Very proud to be from theFrisco area.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yes, she's not leaving.
I understand your intention isto stay.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Never leaving.
They have to drag me out what.
I tell people that all the timeI'm never leaving Frisco.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You're Frisco to the heart.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Wait a minute.
I actually heard that New Yorkmight've stole you one time,
cause that's like a bigger SanFrancisco.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, it is, new York did steal my heart, but I'm
always like going to rep SF.
I love New York.
It's a vibe out there but,weather wise, when it really
comes down to it, I think SF iswhere it's at what Weather?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, oh, what you're saying.
Compared to New York.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Compared to New York.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Because that New York heat and the New York winter,
yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
All right, man, I can really go down a bunch of
rabbit holes, but let me stickto said script.
Today she's representingAbraham Lincoln High School.
I want to start there with herjourney.
It is 499th ranked school inCalifornia.
It's a distinguished highschool.
I don't know if you knew that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, you're shocked.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
A little bit yeah, because growing up in the city,
lowell was the number onedistinguished school.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Exactly, which is why I was going to ask you why you
didn't go to Lowell.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I didn't get in Dang.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, that's where you wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, so growing up Asian immigrant family right,
you're first generation bornhere.
Everybody's supposed to go toLowell.
If you didn't go to Lowell, youwere a black sheep, at least
from my family.
On my mom's side there's likeabout 18 cousins.
Everybody went to Lowell andthree of us went to like
different schools Like.
Two of us went to Lincoln,which is me and my brother, and
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then one cousin went to Wash,but everybody else, including my
younger sister, went to Lowell.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So you almost got shamed, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Ousted from her own people.
Yeah, what school you went to?
Every time we do somethingsmart, Jane goes.
What school you went to?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
What school you went.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What school you went.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
What school you went.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
But I want to make sure, I want to verify that you
went to Lowell.
So what are the school colorsthere To?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Lincoln sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It is yellow and red.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
We should.
We count yellow and red.
I was told red and gold.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So oh, red and gold, yeah, red and gold okay, red and
yellow.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Still questionable whether or not you actually went
there.
Then what is the school'smascot?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
we're mustangs, we're diehard mustangs okay, okay,
one more then.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Okay, when it was time to get blazed, time to get
high, where did they go to gethigh?
Just kidding, you don't have toanswer that one.
You didn't quite pass the testas whether or not you went to
Lincoln, what is the bell game?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The bell game.
Okay, so the bell game isplayed every year at Kezar
Stadium and it happens onThanksgiving day.
Oh, yes, so the bell gamehappens on Thanksgiving Day in
the morning.
Everybody gathers at Kezar andit's a rivalry game played
between Washington High Schooland Lincoln High School, and
whoever takes the bell home thatyear is the winner of the bell
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game.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Okay, Certified approved.
You definitely went to Lincoln.
All right, we're good to go.
After you've graduated fromLincoln, you went on to UC Davis
.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Representing the Aggies.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yes, aggie, for life.
I think my four years at UCDavis was probably the best four
years of my life.
When I'm asked if I would havedone it different, I'd say no,
because I moved away from homeat 18 years old.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Done it different.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I'd say no, because I moved away from home at 18
years old, did it on my own, didthe whole dorm room thing, ate
in the commons, the diningcommons, and just really grew as
a person.
Really found myself at 18 tolike 22.
When I was there made somelifelong friends there, studied,
partied, learned some trialsand tribulations along the way,
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but like I really felt like myfour years at Davis, I just grew
as a person.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, and you majored in biochemistry.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I did.
I majored in biochemistryhoping to fulfill the Asian
American dream of becoming amedical doctor.
Okay, but it didn't work outthat way.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
But I am very happy as a nurse After you finished
there at UC Davis, then you hadto go on and get another degree
for nursing at Samuel MerrittUniversity.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah.
So I finished at UC Davis, kindof didn't know what to do at
that time, you know, was readyto move back home, was tired of
being away from the Bay, and soI looked into what I was going
to do.
I wasn't going to go to medschool, wasn't going to do any
tech or business thing like that.
So then I looked into nursingand I was like, oh okay, I can
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do this.
I volunteered, liked it, and soI was like I'm going to pursue
it.
So I came back, did a fewprereqs out here at a community
college, at Skyline, and thenapplied to nursing school at
Samuel Merritt and then got in.
And so it was very fluid, Iwould say I maybe took a year
off to do all my prereqs andstuff like that, and then I got
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in, which I'm very grateful for,because when I do things I go
crazy, a hundred foot to thepedal straight, no breaks, and
so I don't know how to explainit.
But when I go so hard and thenI fail, it like takes a moment
for me to come back up Nursing.
You can do it a few differentroutes.
If you knew you wanted to be anurse straight from high school,
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you could go to nursing schoolright away.
You'll do your prereqs and theneventually get your bachelor's.
But I had a bachelor's already,so I did a celebrated program.
So I did nursing school inabout 12 months.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah.
It was intense, but totallyworth it.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Babe, you were telling me that when you did
your nursing program was it ayear.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It was a two-year core nursing program.
Oh, okay For an associate'sdegree in nursing a two-year
core nursing program for anassociate's degree in nursing.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
And we're talking about nurses that cheat and you
passed your nursing test in 20minutes.
So we're not talking about thatkind of cheating, but it does
bring up some questions.
How did you do that?
You passed your nursing exam in20 minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Did you have?
Yeah, so I didn't cheat, Istudied for it.
That's amazing.
Yeah, I locked myself in a roomfor a week.
All I did was eat, shower,sleep, study.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
You locked in I focused yeah.
Dang.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And then went in to take the test 20 minutes 25.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh man, how about you , Allie?
Do you remember this test thatshe's speaking of?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I did remember this test Was yours still pen and
paper, I think, on the or on thecomputer already Computer,
because some nurses say they didtheirs pen and paper but I did
mine on the computer.
Oh my God, it was like.
I still remember how I feltbecause I went in, I took the
exam.
They make you take yourhairband off and they give you
their hairband.
That's how like serious it is.
(10:07):
And so I'm taking this test.
I'm like, okay, I'm going tofail.
I feel like I'm going to fail.
And at 75 questions it turns off.
It's not like a gentle turn off.
You're done with your test.
Please go see the test proctor.
It literally shuts down.
Black screen, right, abrupt,abrupt, abrupt shutdown.
And I'm all freaking out.
I'm like, oh my God, so Ifailed.
(10:28):
Like I'm thinking, should Iraise my hand and tell the
proctor?
I think the computer is broken?
The reason why I say it likethat is because a lot of people
say that if you finish within 75questions for the board exam,
it's either you did really well,that the test feels as though
you passed, or you did reallyterrible, that you need to go
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back and study.
Yeah, so you'll never know.
So you'll never know, and then,if you're not doing so hot in
the beginning but then you getyour groove in the middle, you
can go up to 256 questions, likethey'll let you prove yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Oh, I see, was it a four hour limit?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I forget I can't remember yeah, something like
that, but you get chances.
I can't remember yeah,something like that, but you get
chances Like they're not hereto have you fail.
Ok, they're here to help you.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
All right, so both of you did not do anything shady
to get where you're at.
That's good.
You're bona fide because you'rethe ones that are going to be
taking care of us when we'resick.
Segue into what we're trying toget into, which is this topic
that's been out there these daysabout nurses and people in the
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healthcare industry that are notso faithful.
We know that's a fantasy for alot of folks is to have physical
relations with a nurse.
I'm sure that is something somepeople have fantasized about.
Both of you are giving me weirdfaces, but it's true that is an
American fantasy to be able tocheat with a nurse.
But let's not just leave it tonurses.
(11:55):
Doctors also, and nursingassistants are all under this
umbrella of having cheated.
We have some conversation aboutit, and I heard you mention
this earlier, allie.
Is that your kind just kidding?
No, nurses are more likely tocheat than musicians and DJs.
(12:18):
This information I'm giving youcomes from a survey by Ashley
Madison.
Have you heard about that?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I've heard about it.
I tried to dig deep into it andtrying some sources.
I'm all about evidence based,but have you heard what Ashley
Madison is?
No, okay, so that's good howabout you?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I've heard about it.
I tried to dig deep into it andtrying some sources.
I'm all about evidence-based,but have you heard what Ashley
Madison is?
No, okay, so that's good.
How about you, babe?
I haven't.
Okay, so that is an app that'sfor people who want to have a
extramarital affair.
So this survey and this dataI'm providing comes from this
app.
When they surveyed some oftheir users All right, it's
(12:50):
those who want to cheat.
I know there was a such app outthere.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I didn't know either.
I had no idea.
Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And so it listed healthcare workers as the most
likely to cheat, saying thatabout 23% of female medical
professionals have been caughtdoing the dirty.
We're talking about looking ata pool of about 367 people, all
right, and mainly 81% of thecheaters were men.
(13:20):
So men are really having a hardtime keeping it in their pants.
But one thing that you guysmight be able to speak to also
is that it's those that work thenight shift that tend to have a
little bit more proclivity tocheating 60% more so than the
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other shifts.
It's the nighttime shift.
So, fellas out there, if youare interested in that is your
fantasy and that is your fantasy, then go to the ER at night and
that might fulfill said fantasy.
Just saying, okay, now I've saidenough.
I just want to set the contextand the stage that there is some
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data to suggest that this isthe case, and so Allie and my
wife are here to tell us whetheror not those are things that
they have experienced themselves.
But let's get into it, allie,so you're in the nursing
profession.
How long have you been doingthat?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'm coming up seven years in September.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Okay, how about you babe?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
21 years.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Veteran in the game huh Veteran, yes, og, og, okay,
let, og, okay.
Let's start with you guys.
What made you start or pursuethat career?
What was it about nursing thatmade you want to get into it?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think because you could interact with the patients
more.
It was besides being a doctor,I knew I wanted to be hands-on
in the medical profession, andso that's why, when I
volunteered, I was like, hey,I'm bedside, I'm doing things,
I'm talking to patients, I'm init.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You didn't want to be pushing paper.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
That was not what I wanted to do, but a huge part of
your job is pushing paper.
Electronic.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Oh, but it is charting, isn't that?
Yeah, oh okay, yeah, oh okay.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah.
That's the part that's a littlecumbersome or tedious, yes or
no?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, it can get tedious.
Yeah, and when you're so busysometimes you get caught up with
your patient that you just getbehind.
But yeah, it can get tedious.
But I like to be active, right,like I can't be in an office
just sitting.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Doing on the computer .
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, I'm going to stop calling you babe Jane.
How about you, Mrs Jane?
How did you get involved innursing?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So my aunt inspired me to become a nurse.
My dad had high respects forher and always spoke highly
about her, and I just saw howshe cared for people and nursed
my grandma that was ill, and mygrandpa, and so I just wanted to
be just like her.
So that's what inspired me.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Okay, all right.
Now we've come a long way.
We've got a pandemic.
That happened.
There's a lot of burnout, sothat's one of the obstacles
you've faced.
What are some other obstaclesyou may have faced?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think, like the staffing issues, that we always
had, how short staff we would be.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Short staffing is something that's always going to
be there.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You're never going to be fully staffed.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
For the person that doesn't really know much about
that.
What does that mean?
Short staff, yeah.
It means you're having to domore.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Not enough help, for you know the acuity of your
patient.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Acuity.
Excuse me, ma'am, what doesthat mean?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Acuity is how intense your patient can be Like.
Some patients are a little bitmore ill than other patients and
so one patient may require alittle bit more time to take
care of that person, whetherit's meds or just feeding them
or just waiting for them tofinish using the restroom.
They need help back to bed,things like that.
(16:54):
Or some patients are total careand they're dependent in those
types of activities and you needmore than one person.
Sometimes it's three people toone patient and there's just
sometimes there's not enoughstaff.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Okay, you've got a lack of support and resources,
and that level of stress canalso impact the morale among
nurses.
Is that correct, for sure?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, and our top dogs, like our management,
thinks that pizza and cookiesand cakes is what builds morale.
But that's not what buildsmorale.
We need help and that meanshiring more people, scheduling
more people, whether it's OT,double time, whatever it may be.
But sometimes you know theythink that rewards and other
(17:42):
things builds morale, but itreally doesn't.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Wow.
So I think we're touching thetip of the iceberg here, with
what may be leading to some ofthe cheating that happens in the
hospital is that there's alevel of stress and how one
deals with that stress could bein finding some tender, loving
care from someone that will giveit to you.
Is that something that youcould suggest as a reason that a
(18:08):
nurse might do something likethat?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I can see why it happens, For example, when I'm
venting.
It's easier for me to vent toJane because I'll throw out
nursing terms and she'll justlaugh or agree and I don't have
to really explain more.
Right?
Let's say I marry somebodyoutside of the health care
profession.
I'm going home to vent.
It takes a lot more energy tovent to that person as opposed
(18:31):
to somebody at work.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Because it's easier and more than likely, they were
there and they experienced it.
So you're just venting, notexplaining and venting at the
same time, right yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
So someone that can easily relate.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, easily relate, right, yeah.
And if a person is feelingestranged from their spouse
already, that kind of makes iteven more opportunistic if they
have a work husband or a workwife, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Definitely.
And that's like a slipperyslope because, yeah, it's easier
to vent to your coworker, but,like I said, it's a slippery
slope because where do you gowith that what?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
your intention.
We go to the hospital room andwe close the door and pull down
the blinds.
And tell me that has nothappened.
So you guys work long hourssometimes, right yeah, so that
can lead to a detachment fromhome because you're constantly
away and sometimes maybe theonly time a nurse or a doctor
(19:36):
may see their spouse is whenthey get ready to crawl into bed
.
Does that sound like arealistic situation that some
people are facing that are inthe health care industry?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I would say so.
It's very valid.
All right, I would say so it'svery valid.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
All right.
So we established one of thereasons this may be happening is
a lack of resources.
Burnout and a detachment fromtheir spouse at home, along with
the ability to connect withsomeone at work, is one reason
why this may be the case.
Now, what do you think are someother reasons as to why this
(20:09):
may be happening?
Nurses might be cheating.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's easy, it's convenient.
You're there being in ahospital, right, like you have a
room, you have a bed, you havea bathroom, there's showers in
certain units, yeah, and it'sconvenience, it's there.
And, like you said, night shift, that's when everybody, like
every normal person, sleeps.
And us medical professionswhether it's a nurse, materials
management, environmentalservices they work night shift
(20:33):
too, because the hospital is a24-hour facility and for a night
shift, nobody is really around.
Some units are closed, beds areset up for the next morning,
there's a lot of downtime beinga night shift nurse, and there's
just a lot more people aroundon day shift, it's a lot easier
to get caught.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So that's another reason that this may be
happening is because people havean alibi and they can say it's
harder for me to get caughtbecause I don't have to really
explain where I was at, becauseI work long hours.
So are they having juicyexamples or juicy stories,
(21:15):
without dropping any names?
Just something that might givepeople a glimpse into this
culture of cheating?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
that may be out there .
The hospital is such a bigplace if you think you're not
getting caught, people alreadyprobably know somebody has
probably seen you out of thiscorner, that corner.
Yeah, like I heard of thisstory I can't verify if it's
true or not, because I heard ofit third party but I know a
married couple who worked atthis hospital and they were in
(21:43):
different units, same hospital,different units.
The husband was frolickingaround with multiple young
nurses just in the same hospital.
When you do it outside, you'remore secretive.
But to do it within theworkplace, where everybody knows
you're a spouse and that youguys are together, share a
family, that's bold in myopinion.
(22:05):
What do you think?
Oh, yeah, totally that is boldto me and, yeah, that's one that
I've heard of.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Speaking to reasons we mentioned just being able to
have a connection with someone,but also because you all are so
used to prescribing medicine.
Perhaps the couple you speak ofhad an open relationship and
they understood that one'sphysical sexual needs is like a
(22:34):
prescription, and perhaps theyboth understood that there was
nothing emotional.
It was a physical prescriptionthat one needed.
Maybe that's how some nurseslook at it.
I'm not necessarily cheating,I'm just getting my prescription
.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Good excuse, but not cutting it.
It's not going to cut it.
Not cutting it yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Jane's in disagreement.
Don't you prescribe medicine,or are you?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
We administer, we administer.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You administer it, the doctor prescribes it.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, we give it to our patients because they need
it.
I see where you're going withthat.
You see what I'm going with.
You're saying as though theinfidelity is a dose, like a
little pick-me-up here and therewhen you need it Exactly and as
nurses we call it a PRN when weneed it as necessary.
It's not as needed.
That's what we call a PRN.
(23:25):
So I see where you're goingwith it.
I understand it, but I don'tagree with it.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You don't agree with it, I think it is a low-level
excuse.
There are some other reasonswhen you guys work in a hostile
environment, sometimes yes or no.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, high strung, high strung.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And there's a weight on you, sometimes yes or no.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Okay, and so you need tender, loving care?
All right, so it's great toretreat to someone that's going
to give you that care.
Right?
Maybe it's not happening athome, so retreat somewhere else
to feel loved.
Is that a valid reason?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
It's a valid reason.
But my question is okay.
So if you have somebody at homeand you're not getting the love
that you need to thrive in yourcareer, so we need to get to
the bottom of it.
That doesn't mean go outsideyour home and look for that tlc.
I feel as though if you havesomebody at home because not
(24:26):
everyone is married or has apartner right, so if you're not
getting that tlc at home becausenot everyone is married or has
a partner right, so if you'renot getting that TLC at home and
you have somebody at home, sothere's a bigger issue.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, that's my personal opinion I'm just saying
when not thinking about isright or wrong.
It's just some of the reasonswhy it may oh happening yeah
okay, definitely now.
Another reason is you said thatwhen you go for something, you
like to put everything into it.
You go 100 all in, and thatthrill-seeking nature of nurses,
(25:01):
particularly because you guyshave to take risks right.
In order to be in this industrythat you're in, you have to
take some risks right.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Someone's coding, someone's inserting IVs yeah,
always.
You're always putting yourselfat risk.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Your safety, yeah Like with mental health patients
.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You're at risk for your safety.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, there's this thrill, there's this thrill.
It's the adrenaline rush, it'sthe adrenaline right.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
When your patient's coding and you bring them back.
Yeah, yeah, there's always that.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And that thrill can transfer to one's personal life
because it's a little addictive.
And so there's this thrill ofnot being caught is what I'm
trying to get at.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
You know what I mean.
I agree.
I do know certain nurses,especially in the ICU
environment, who seek thatadrenaline rush and that is why
they are in ICU.
So yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Okay.
So there's that.
Then here's one is because somemay feel life's too short.
Right, they realize, you guysare always on the front line of
seeing people on the brink ofdeath or possibly dying, and you
realize, hey, life is too shortand you're aware of your own
mortality, and so you grabopportunity when it comes, no
(26:19):
matter how risky it might be.
You don't want to waste anopportunity because you realize,
hey, I only live once.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, yolo, right.
Yeah, we get a lot of travelernurses Exactly From Alabama,
louisiana and even New York,like as big as a city is.
Their nursing environment isn'tas strong and I'll explain in a
bit.
As California, as Californianurses, we are blessed to be in
the union, that we have thesupport that we have, even
though we talk about shortstaffing and stuff like that,
(26:48):
but we are blessed as Calinurses.
We get a lot of travelers andthey're from small town, rural
areas and they come to the Bayarea, let alone San Francisco,
and they're like, oh my God,what have I been missing out on
life?
And they just go, like I said,put to the pedal, like 100% on
the gas, and they're just outthere.
Like I know traveler nurses,they make good money, they have
(27:10):
good contracts, especiallycompared to what they were used
to getting paid, and they ballout.
They're going to the DominicanRepublic, they're going to
Jamaica, they're going to theCatalina Islands.
Talking about, I'm going to goon a private helicopter from
wherever they dock to theCatalina Islands.
These traveler nurses ball out.
So, like for sure, it's like aYOLO thing because they know
(27:31):
when they go back home oreventually, wherever they decide
to do they want to have said,to have experienced this
California experience?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Mm-hmm, and so that could lead to the playgirl,
playboy lifestyle.
You mentioned something that,with all of this wealth and high
salaries, it's well documentedthat doctors and nurses have
more invitation to stray awayfrom their significant other
(27:59):
because they receive moreattention.
Stray away from theirsignificant other because they
receive more attention.
That because you guys have thestatus.
When people hear doctor ornurse, it turns them on.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And so then in turn, nurses then take advantage of
that opportunity.
Yeah, I can see that happeningtoo.
Yeah, For sure I say more sowith the doctor.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, because I feel like when somebody hears doctor,
they're like oh, Right, it'slike that they see their white
coat.
Yeah, they're like oh MD what.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, I do it too.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'm not going to lie.
What does he do?
Oh, he's a doctor, oh, okay.
What else does he do?
Oh, he's a doctor, oh okay.
What else does he have to offer?
Yeah, why is he single?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Oh, wow, last reason we'll talk about, or I would say
a notion out there, that nursesare full of themselves, maybe
conceited and arrogant.
Does that seem a bit unfair toyou to describe a nurse as
conceited or arrogant?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I think conceited and arrogant are the wrong
adjectives.
I feel as though we'reconfident.
I feel like that's a betteradjective because we know what
we're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, and we're assertive.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, we're very assertive.
Yeah, we're very assertive.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Maybe there's some men and women out there who feel
as if that level of confidenceis not an easy way to get a
proposal, let alone walk theaisle with someone.
But, that being said, if thatis what people think, we have to
change that narrative.
We've not done justice to yourprofession, so we're going to
(29:42):
close on a more dignified note.
We don't want to leave herewithout our what babe?
Our dignity.
Okay.
So we want to have our dignity,and so one thing we want to
highlight is that you guys playa critical role in patient care.
Jane, when you come home, Iknow that you have seen and
worked tirelessly to ensure thatpatients receive the best
(30:05):
possible treatment.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Definitely 100%.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And you're often the first point of contact for
patients and their families,right when their loved one is
going through something with amedical problem you have to be
the go-between sometimes.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yes, first line.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, so that has to be kept in mind when we start
throwing topics out there thatcast you and our essential
workers in a negative light isthat you're the first line for
the families, you provideemotional support and guidance
and you're super skilled.
I think, allison, you left outa couple of things in your bio
about the extensive trainingyou've gone through.
(30:44):
You've done a lot of studyingbeyond what the typical nurse
needs to do in order to getwhere you're at, to develop your
expertise in pharmacology andanatomy and physiology, like
you've done a lot, right, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, just to put it into perspective, I was a adult
nurse, cardiac nurse, for sixyears and a year ago
transitioned to become aneonatal nurse.
Lots of training, differenttypes of training to get to
where I am.
But when I was an adult nurse,in order to really solidify
myself, I did take a few tests,which was the CCRN, which is a
(31:19):
critical care nurse test, tocertify myself as a critical ICU
nurse.
Now that test was no joke.
I would have to say that testwas harder than the board tests.
I really studied for that test.
The other test that I took wasa cardiac surgery test, just to
solidify my skills, my knowledge, knowing how to take post-op
(31:42):
cardiac surgery patients.
But yeah, I've done threetraining programs as a nurse.
So I did a new grad trainingprogram at Kaiser SF and then I
did a ICU training program atStanford and then I did a
neonatal one at UCSF.
So lots of training.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, super motivated .
And is this the finaldestination for your nursing
career?
You got the neonatal.
That's a new experience.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Very new.
I'm loving it.
I'm so passionate about it.
I feel as though I'm not evenat work, like I find it a joy to
go to work.
I think I found my niche.
To be honest with you, aftersix years I have some near
future goals for myself withinthe neonatal population going in
(32:30):
that route, but I think I'msticking with the neonates for
now, neonates, neonates, yeahthis is where I was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Nice.
Both of you have definitelyserved your community and
humankind every day, and it's tobe appreciated, and so any
negative stereotype that's beingput out there needs to be
shifted towards a more accurateand respectful portrayal of this
very vital profession, and sohats off to both of you for
(32:59):
being servants in your careerand in your life.
We're going to end on that note.
Thank you, allie, for joiningus, and thank you, babe, for
being my co-pilot.
Thanks for listening.
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